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Some tech aspects and talks on the p2j core difference to a p08 or d16z6 head core, from its infamous "half tooth off" or 4.5deg off cam timing to the function of "swirl vs tumble"
I say "infamous" because locally "they" dont see how this difference will make or break your own project as it affects injector phasing
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Interesting update on the Motul Racewars last Dec 2-3 event.
A so called expert did a p2j vti head modded with p08 internals and a z6 based skunk2 cam on pm6 pistons…
To prove my point? It ran 15.6sec
Whereas a friend of mine tuned a bone stock VTi and it ran 15.1sec bone stock! On stock VTi cam
Hahahahahaha
So people are still free to experiment and try it but what the video here shared is what does not work
2 years from now This guys youtube channel will have million followers…. But as of now im pretty sure hes now screwing the minds of some people who does nothing but to make money out of their customers…. Heads up to you brother!!!!! Everything you said really make sense…..
Thanks brother! One thing sure I’ll be the same I won’t be a jake zyrus 😂 stay safe and blessed man!
This channel gives me enough knowledge to fully understand a topic with just one video, i will be waiting for the thermostat/no thermostat subject, hahaha, that will be very intriguing, specially for the mang kanor mechanics🤣
yes i agree on the thermostat stuff it is why alot are susprised i get 13-14km/liter city driving and i aint stock
I just love the way you explained the purpose and right tuning thank you SRD! I cried out of laughter when you said the 6 digit word 😂 I love your content keep striving GodBless you, your channel and audience always -Omar
hey the six letter word might have the video reported thats why i didnt say it 🤣
But yeah the example of the red lxi i said on the video? was from my area and its just sad to imagine how much he spent only to lose by 3 cars vs his friend right? i mean just giving more awareness to give people better value for their money...
Thank you for checking this out
and thanks for laughing at that 🤣 as i was when i had to write it in words lol
@@SRDmotorsports it's very sad to imagine losing to 3 cars anyhow you made me laugh tho, Man such a great content though I love it, keep doing what you do SRD!
@@omar_alanany ahaha thanks man i had to keep it humorous cuz it was a sad incident i mean after a month? red lxi owner sold it 🤣
@@SRDmotorsports so sad that he sold it real quick! Ahahahaha man I'll stay tuned with your contents, I love your channel! GodBless
@@omar_alanany thats when we found out it was on a 4.7 fd he had to declare it so the price is fair so we were like "hmmmm" lol
Present chief 🙋♂️ 100% relate with the P2J head conversion 😂 definitely a big help with my future plan. 🙏
relate meaning? they push u to that? lol kidding
glad this helps ur future plan dude!
@@SRDmotorsports trial and error chief with the other project. End up, cries per gallon 🤣
Sure it does help 100%
@@midnightkaiju just dont repeat the expenses x2 but keep the learnings then yes yes
This video made me remember ng very first engine modification with my ph13. It has a 76mm ph12 pistons, ported vti head using the vti cams and valve train. Made 110whp on the dyno (Autoplus).
Nice… keyword “vti cams and valvetrain” heheh that’s strong 110whp in Autoplus ! That’s a strong ph12!
THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITED VIDEOS ON D SERIES, ON CAM GEARS & INJECTOR FAZEING' THIS IS THE 6 TIME WATCHING THIS VIDEO, SO MUST KNOWLEDGE BEING SHARE IT HARD TO GRASP ARE TO RETAIN ALL IN ONE SITTING AND WHAT COOL ABOUT THIS IT MAKE SCENTS ' SRD MOTORSP AM A RETIRED ASE MASTER TECH AND FOR PERFORMANCE KNOWLEDGE THIS THE PLACE TO BE !!! KEEP UP THE GREAT TEACHING, DADDYDAVE NORTHERN CALIF, VALLEJO, 707
Oh thank you Daddydave!! Nice from Norcal ftw
Actually you termed it better than I did! Injector “phasing” is the word!! Thank youuuu
:) i spent a day watching most of your videos, i may need to visit your shop soon and check my car's engine condition, its a d16zc swap on EG
Hahaha wow thanks man glad the videos helped! I too am kinda tired of “Lodi” vlogs that sometimes actually promote new enthusiasts that are ALWAYS prone to budol
Oh no I didn’t say that lol
Nice an Eg hatch? Nice engine for sure it’s prolly still on top shape
Keep up the good work and the great knowledge coming srd ur amazing 👏
Thanks man! Need time to work on a personal sohc but soon for sure hehe
Great in depth ralph!💪
thanks man!
great content! I have a PO8 and a P2J from a JDM D15B and was wondering what would be the best head to use. PO8 it is. I did not know the p2j ports twisted like that.
yes sir! with your level of work? the p08 will be amazing after some magical touch from you :)
Great video, sir! Been planning to slap on a straight p08 head + programmable ecu on my 99vti. It also has a p2j head, but I wonder if the engine code would matter since it has the P6FD1 engine. Thank you!
The series we are doing now is actually p6fd1 too
some people using p2j bare head with po8 20camlobes internals for high comp. combo with pm6/pm3 piston plus cam gear adjustable. resing resing. budget meal set.
my example was the same a red Lxi
was 3 cars slower than a stock d15 done by a local shop 🤣
Good stuff. Subbed
Thanks man! Hope this gives more awareness to locals ftw!
Spot on, Ralph😉
thaaaaanks bud :)
Every video you're dropping gems 💥💥
About the Y8 with the z6 cam issue. say I'm running a Y8 head + a z6 cam and an adjustable cam gear (degreed as well). To address the distributor issue, couldn't I just run a d15 dizzy? They have the same cam timing as a z6 and the bolt up to a Y8.
Doesn’t bolt up cuz the top most bolt is misaligned but possible,
But the camgear side is still off that’s where everything went off, so to correct it by the distributor means it’s camgear is off by half a tooth or vice versa as mentioned on the vid
Well I'm shit outta luck smh, guess I'm running slow/high on fuel for now
Now that I think about it, a coil on plug conversion deletes the ICM and coil, so that would solve that issue. No?
@@tayvonrose2528 nah man still can solve it somehow I mean get a timing light and see where it’s at… and try to get it to 16btdc
And if it can’t reach it then check the camgear cuz they both connected to the same thing “the cam” and the dizzy u will see something making sense by adjusting
@@SRDmotorsports lol, I thought timing the dizzy with a gun is a given. The tuner/builder mentioned in the video never did that? I've seen some people slightly bore out the bolt holes to get the timing right.
@@tayvonrose2528 if they did or didn’t? Prolly didn’t cuz was that slow and they too cool to ask me lol
Yes file the bolt hole if need be, just to get it atleast “close”
Very informative video. 👍😊
thank you!! see even in the car scene "marites" exists 🤣
@@SRDmotorsports hahaha Lol 🤣
Hi, its me again. I always re watch this video for further knowledge and now im just wondering would the p2j with p2j internals be more of a wiser choice power to peso wise? But then again i dont know much and might as well ask you this. Lets say a d15b with a p2a non vtec head makes 100hp, how much overall hp would the d15b non vtec would have if i were to put a p2j head and internals and how much also for a p08 head and internals.
All in stock form.
And also what's better a copy skunk2 IM or a P08 IM?
Oh wait that’s a harder question LOL! Lemme think about that and get back to u in a bit
I hope you get to 1k subs soon, in for the build and dyno series :D
Man! tbh im rather excited myself for finding a "reason" ibaba ung engine lmfao! but more importantly Im glad the direction corrects itself like as i read my channel description? it stays true as we know alot changes mood/contents once you know? "pira pira" lmfao
Im just glad its helping itself stay on course... as my SRDmotorsports actual shop continues to function and do its usual work? the goal sa channel is like Skunk2's or even Stephan Papadakis' stuff like you continue to race and all but the channel is to share "new" work or just update on whats going on "in-house"
which generally for me is just fun x2 lol
right as i came up with that "build series" of my engine? automatically told my colleague
"we can dyno on stock p08 intake then re dyno ported p08 intake and finally on ported skunk2"
and then final finally ITB loool
see? the fun for myself?🤣
@@SRDmotorsports i agree, like KG garage that I follow on here sa YT as well. They get into details of what's going on, even sa driving/how to drag race. Doing it for fun and to help people that are starting pa lang
@@SRDmotorsports It's always fun busting local shop myths and lores hahaha
@@mikodelacruz yes yes i agree! not sure nga if theyre the same "kgbuilt" from ht days
but yeah i mean the shop itself is still functioning "normally" here and prolly not this year ulit but next year will def pursue completing the "north series" mostly this year maybe if theres an event in oct/nov/dec will def race or do runs but for now prioritize dyno and in-house developments
This is the most relatable scenario with the locals. Thank you so much for this video SRD! More power to your channel!
Can a bone stock vti gain noticeable power with tune using rechipped ecu?
Thank you!
Thank you!!! actually thats the main reason for this video because i realized my other videos? can be found elsewhere as far as info sharing but this local scenario has yet to be explained anywhere
to avoid future money wasting moves and to explain other people's dilemma
actually on the video i did talk about the head on the latter part the vti head we ported to be a straight vti but on tuned ecu? surprisngly it only lost by 1 car testing vs a 20camlobe engine
so when u think about it? malakas na vti un ah 🤣 so in that sense ur bone stock vti may be better with a proper tune and rechipped ecu
so thats good
@@SRDmotorsports Thank you once again! With this I gained knowledge and at the same time saved a bunch of peso!
To more subscribers! 💪🏼🙌
@@rinanligan9445 thanks too! this atleast lets me know we share correctly :)
perhaps just a cold air intake on ur vti aside from ecu tuning will be worlds difference in performance
@@SRDmotorsports wow! Though I am currently using a stock airbox with k&n filter. Will HKS do the job? 😅
@@rinanligan9445 yeah those kinds work well
wow!! got me sub brother!! tnx for the vid!! ❤❤❤
Glad and hope it helped! thank you 🙏
Yes sirrr!!! This is free Gold!!! More power to your channel and SRD shop.
Oh thanks so much man! Likewise and stay safe!
So p08 cam with p08 cam gear in a p2j4 head makes the mechanical timing of the cam have to be advanced a tooth or less to get proper ign timing but cause inconsistent injector phasing is what im understanding I'm currently in this situation
P08 cam and p08 camgear on a p2j head makes it “half tooth” off or 4.5degrees off
adjusting 4.5deg via adjustable camgear = fixes timing but injector phasing is still “off”
Sir, How about a p2j head with a p2j 20 cam? i stil use the stock vti distributor and cam gear.
Yeah so that’s like a d16y8 so that has the correct cam yes
so now just econo flowing ports
Once u have it ported or can flow slightly better than a stock p08 head
Hi SRD! since I have a 2002 VTI city typeZ I think the head of that is a P2J (also ported) and opted to put all P08 internals including intake manifold(lacks knowledge about this matter when I built it years ago) now can I resolve the issue as mentioned in the video by getting cams(after market stage2) and camgear upgraded and getting a rechip ECU and tune it? OR totally get a P08 head instead before proceeding to upgrade?
The upgrades mentioned still doesn’t fix the issue when u think about it… so most likely a bare p08 head might help better
cuz u can turn the adj camgear to time it yes as per belt and crank/pulley relation but the distributor side also moves and throws off the injector timing
@@SRDmotorsports i still have the P08 distributor and will install it. If that will not fix the issue i will find a head right away and take it to you for porting :)
@@Doctorstressmusicchannel do u still have the vti valvetrain and cam? If u do… re installing that can let u afford time as I can see and asses the difference “while” u scout for a p08
Nice vid man
thanks so much! for appriciating it man!
@@SRDmotorsports yeah man I learn alot on your channel. I wanted to ask, is it possible to hit 160whp with the stage2 cam(63442)? all other supporting mods taken into consideration
@@vince.r oh definitely i think with today's tunability and tuner's capabilities its definitely reasonable
Pero kung p6d1 engine block and po8 head with tunable ecu okay lng po ba? Perfect po ba yung timing ng injectors nun?
yeah with the correct camgear setting and tunable ecu excellent na yan and good injector timing
Nice vid. I have a question though that might be a little out of topic. I have a spare ph16 block and p2j 20cam lobes head. Would it be wise to throw a ph12 piston in it?
Not quite, as the pistons stick out 0.022” or a little more than half mmm and the p2j head has a quench chamber…
When I get a chance to make a build series of my Ph16 ESi I will devote all the available specs and measurements of the ph12 pistons and calculate compression on most
@@SRDmotorsports Thanks! That was quick 😅 btw, I have a ph12 engine and planning to convert it to efi. I just saw a ph16 with p2j 20cam lobes for sale, my original plan is just throw a straight po8 head on my ph12 block. Any suggestion on which road should I take?
@@istbreezy don’t get that p2j head as it did what I said not to do on this vid? Maybe that’s why they are selling hahaha
Better idea? Get a p08 intake manifold
Injectors, rail and throttle iacv etc
And esi distributor
Turn ur ph12 into an efi ph12 without changing heads
@@SRDmotorsports oh! yeahhh 😅 thanks man! Looking forward on your upcoming vids. Kinda excited to see how much power will it get rebuilding an engine.
@@istbreezy definitely me too!!!
Hi sir, is it possible to tune an all stock p6fd1 with stock ecu or do I need to upgrade an ECU? and also does rechipping an ECU can be done on stock one? Thank you!
Rechipping is done on obd1 ecu only not the vti ecu so the stock one can’t…. Need to get a rechippd ecu + conversion harness to run on the vti
@@SRDmotorsports how much does it usually cost sir? Para di ako mataga. And reco shop sir near san mateo rizal or marikina.
I get all my ecu stuff and work from ECU Later he has an FB… or his personal fb Joel Jasper Enriquez
Also check the VTi rebuild series we did here the white one , had good gains even on stock box
Very nice I have d15b with high compression pistons and a po8 head car will start when cold runs fine on chipped p28 when engine get hot it doz not want to start?
Double check the engine usually when it’s overheating it’s hard starting or won’t start
A lot of times the dash gauge doesn’t show it goes up cuz needle got stuck
@@SRDmotorsports well the gauge go to half way like normal and the fans cycle on and off the thermostat stuck so I took it out have to replace a new one but I don’t think that the issue.. can it be timing?
@@DharamSingh-or3re it could be but if it’s timing then even when cold it should be the same
@@SRDmotorsports ok bro I’ll check it and see but cold it starts fine
@@DharamSingh-or3re alright btw what injector are you using?
I've got a p2j with a 20 lobes camshaft, i think it's the d16y8 from US the one with double vtec solenoid but mine was converted to single vtec using the stock local vtec solenoid from local p2j head. Isn't it the same with po8 internals or it's different?
a USDM d16y8 is single vtec just like a p08 the main difference is the d16y8 20camlobe the cam timing is correct for a p2j head and distributor that is the issue locally they use a p08 cam when its a Z series like d16z6 and it is off by half a tooth
so p08 internals is correct for a p08 head and incorrect for a p2j head
a true d16y8 from the US will use the same vti distributor and being "centered" gets you the correct timing on the timing gun
@@SRDmotorsports I bought it from a dude from tatay and I had no idea if it was from japan or US but it has a stamped p2j-4 code. Is it better from the stock p2j local head?
And also it had no issue with the stock timing but running it with the stock ecu which was p2m made it like it was hesitant when maintaining speed usually with 2000-3000 rpm. By the way I'm running it with a zc side dipstick block.
@@iancarlosalvador1972 u ran it on ur stock distributor? p2j is head casting so the only difference with a usdm d16y8 is the rocker system and camshaft
an adjustable camgear can hide the problem so the timing seems correct... like i stated on the vid if ur injector firing sequence/timing is off? it will run erratic or abnormal...
sadly a guy from Taytay pm'd my page asking about such and says they have a whole p08 head but wanna "try" this way forst and i said theyre wasting their time just run the straigjt p08 head... now we dont know if there wasnt a p08 head 🤣
but he didnt have a rechipped ecu so when they ran it? they said it seemed to run out of steal or fuel at 2-3k rpm... odd same? maybe they gave up and just sold it...
this was pm's months back
u can check... a d16y8 usdm head the cam cap (the cap on top of the rockers) the LMA or lost motion assemblies are tilted slightly forward i mean it is vertical but it tilts forward a bit
a p08 d16z6 is straigjt up vertical LMA and u can tell if its a p08 internal converted local vti
@@SRDmotorsports Yes it had an issue but now it was solved by having a chipped and tuned ecu, it was a long and learning journey for me because most mechanics I have asked cannot pin point the main problem. I bought so many parts that didn't need to be replaced 🤣 like fuel pump, injectors, high tension wires and it came to the point that I bought an adjustable fuel regalator, isn't it crazy 🤣. But in the end someone told me that a programmable ecu will solve my problem and that's definitely the answer! At last 😁
The last time i saw the LMA are slightly tilted and are not protruding like the ones with the po8 head. Maybe it's a usdm one.
I can relate with your videos, I even done porting and polishing my head before by just watching on youtube. I wish I had watched your videos before but I came out too early 😂 I was using that p2j head since 2018. And had it ported by myself before it was installed. Your videos are great help, keep it up sir!
@@iancarlosalvador1972 aha!! if its slightly tilted then def its a usdm one thats great! and thank you for observing the video and commenting and liking if ever... thays always a big help and all the comments? indirectly sparks new ideas for future content... imagine in the beginning my best thought was just 2-3 vid ideas lol
and as the comments go forward , ideas come up and i realize i can do this, share that, share this lol so it does help
A lot of info. This really means diving into mechanical stuff. There is always a WD40 on your desk. I wonder how much you get for this promo? :) Joke. Keep up man. Wish you to pass 1000 as quick as possible. You got my like here.
hahahahaah good point on the wd40 i hope they notice!! hahahahaha
thanks man and same i cant wait for March on the new Discovering Slovenia series
@@SRDmotorsports :) Who know, WD is just a Mercedes with almost no opponents. :) Yeah, today is March 1. :)
@@RRRRefuelRideRace yes exactly maybe wd would tell us why advertise? everyone uses us already hahaha
@@SRDmotorsports Would be nice. :)
Can i ask sir.i do have a 96 vti when i bought it the engine is not the original ph16.instead i have a d13b with P2A-4 head non-vtec.intake manifold and ecu is still for the ph16.my question sir is.can i replace the P2A-4 head with a P2j head so i can have a vtec power.?hope u can help me.
Im sure you can but, you might need the vti distributor and other things, is the p2a an lxi head?
I've check in google that p2a is a non vtec head 1.5,my distributor i believe is for vti upon checking on youtube.
@@rhuel3142 oh i see i see
Thanks much.😊
@@rhuel3142 no worries :)
Watching this made me check my ignition timing, currently using a dual vtec (dont know what engine it originally came from) has 2 solenoids, square chambered and the code is P2J-4, a VMS camgear is currently mounted to it, on the tuner side it is on 16deg btdc base timing but upon checking the timing is actually off by a very very few degree, i am currently using the stock vti distributor, i advanced the cam 2 deg and see if it will compensate to correct the timing but no luck, nice content though sir!
That’s fine granted ur p2j still uses the p2j cam
Thats what i thought, its just that the distributor is fully advanced but still couldnt hit the timing mark
Well 1 tooth is 9degrees , half tooth is 4.5deg
If 16btdc is having the distributor centered ? And full advance can get us up to 22-24btdc
And u are maxed at the distributor to see 16 ? It could be a tooth off?
or maybe the vms gear is for a z6 like most and you are a Y series so it could be a little off
About damn righhhhhttttt it is! It was maxxd out and cant even reach the 14 mark or even the 12 so that could be it. Vms could’ve been made for a z6,
Just a query tho, the mechanical timing cannot alter the setting on the ecu right?
@@elijahcarmona8487 yeah it can’t
I have a ph15 stock lxi engine. What are your recommendations in order to get more power? Im now half hearted whether to slap in a p08 head or not.
thanks for the question!
actually pardon if the video made u feel half hearted on the p08 what i did mean is if its a "whole p08" head then yes good move! not the vti head + p08 internals mod our locals do
but on ur case since its an Lxi the main obstacle here is the lxi has a 2 socket ecu so an adapter isnt possible most likely the safest route is bring it to a local shop that wires well like Noli from marcos hwy... so u can run a rechipped ecu
because anything on the engine = you would benefit more if nka rechipped ecu na...
personally if you would ask me? id choose a rechipped ecu for tuning + port my lxi head that would be good enough plus more fun to see ur vti friends get surprised ur lxi is as fast as them 🤣
@@SRDmotorsports Same situation as ian here. Question is how to find Noli of Marcos Hwy? Or can your shop do this reshipping of the ecu because i would be interested. Thanks!
@@benj_md oh Noli of Marcos hwy is JCauto electrical hold on lemme see if I can scout his link for you guys
@@SRDmotorsports Oh wow! That was quick! I appreciate it very much!
@@benj_md here is his FB
facebook.com/noli.par.37
shop page is JC Auto Electrical
cover profil photo is a starlet and an orange eg his eg :)
feel free to say we routed u guys to go for them
I remember Mitsubishi had a paper on the findings of swirl and tumble back in the day. Any thoughts on Vizard's PolyQuad head?
yes on the dsm i kinda remember that... the polyquad is quite decent though migjt be hard for us
its also why i knew Endyn knew what was up on their "rollerwave" pistons
@@SRDmotorsports I just watched the video again and found it nice that you discussed quench. 🍻
Something interesting I remembered 16 years ago from H-T:
"With a D16A6 head and D15B2 (flat PM3 pistons coming out of the deck about .028") I ran 87 octane, full timing and as lean as 18:1 air fuel ratio without audible knock in any gear. it was around 10.2:1 compression and I could be in 5th going like 40mph at 1500, hold it in full throttle and still no marbles in a coffee can. it had exceptional low rpm torque."
Interesting that he had no part throttle pings (I'm thinking it's due to the additional chamber volume of the A6, but then again I am no automotive engineer but I think Mike B. knew his stuff very well and was TOO's student).
Another interesting build was this (except for the bad part throttle pings that they had to drive carefully in stop and go traffic):
Y8 head with y7 cam towers and rockers + PG6B pistons with the slight dome milled off + Colt tri flow camshaft; probably the quench pad was too tight
Too much of a good thing can really prove to be bad sometimes haha
@@findtherightbeat yes Belben rocked!!!! just he got too fond of his Rottler (boring machine) so it stole some of his attention from engines and more on machining 🤣
on the quench stuff not to say i know more than them but quench distance on paper is never the same in reality like example
mls headgasket is 0.037" but in reality wen torqued and compressed its 0.030-0.032 that alone is enough to throw the goal away and ping galore happens
but then again too tight is a diff ping... prolly a punch 🤣
but real world have tried 0.040" tight no damage and 13.8:1 no ping on blaze...
it happened cuz we ran out of e85 for a month 🤣 same engine than went 12.1 on e85 way back
maybe it worked cuz the pr3 head was milled 1.75mm lol making the chambers like a GSR chamber with quench
@@SRDmotorsports Last I checked, Belben works for Glock and is into 4wd crawlers.
but real world have tried 0.040" tight no damage and 13.8:1 no ping on blaze... ⬅ Was there anything out of the ordinary or interesting on the datalogs you had for that engine (EGT, etc.)?
@@findtherightbeat not mucj as it wasnt mine :( the engine but it did show -0.1 vaccuum at 114mph hahaha hence i realized we need "moar" lol
good day can i install a p08 head to a stock lxi p6dd1 block?
Yeah if it’s a complete proper p08 head no problem on an Lxi it would run good
@@SRDmotorsports how about the distributor and wiring? planning to purcahse a chipped po6 ecu.
@@NicksGarage_ph p08 distributor is needed, wiring is hard cuz the Lxi has two sockets only so needs to be wired by an expert where are u from? Noli is around marcos highway
@@SRDmotorsports im from cavite sir
@@NicksGarage_ph oh snap that’s not near lol where in Cavite if I may ask?
How much is your fee for porting P08 head?
price list of work is in our shop page and the link is in the description
but its 20-25k local currency... only drawback is possible shipping cost if different country so i wonder where you are from...
but the work includes "all" machinining needed and valveseals etc
What if sir, p08 internals and p08 distributor in a P2J head?
Then the distributor won’t bolt correct it will be max advance distributor but only 10 timing or 8
And then if full retard it will still be 21 timing
Why? Kase the camgear side is still “talon” half tooth
I remember last year someone shared this video in their FB and a local shop was against it and said they know how to make it work? Okay lol
Then we find out the customer posted the timeslip after a race and it ran 17.871sec hahahahhaa wow an Avanza is faster lol
if that’s correct then a stock vti being faster is wrong?
@@SRDmotorsportsswap dizzy internals or I believe the d15s will bolt up.
@@--OpT.OuT-- yeah but that doesn’t change the “spot” where the crank trigger sensor is and the sensor that triggers injector?
So it gets all too complicated.
@@SRDmotorsports how would anything be different if say your running everything z6 OBD1 except for the bare head. Z6 cam with z6 gear z6 dizzy internals in y8 case OBD1 p28 . Absolutely nothing is changed except for the head casting. Isn't that correct?
Not sure why my post got deleted lol baka kasi may link to a honda tech post. I was referring to a comment by Mista Bone in a mini me/cam timing thread about correcting timing through the adjustable cam gear while the distributor is on dead center:
Will just copy his reply here
"the question would only be dumb, if you had to ask it again, and again, and again!
Now the SECRET since I started this mess 6 years ago.
Warm car up, adjust idle to 700 rpm and ignition timing to center mark.
Change cam using a adj. cam gear at zero. Adjust cold lash settings, start car.
Now reset the ignition timing @ 700 rpm, BUT use the cam gear instead of the dist. to change the timing setting.
Sounds simple now doesn't it?
The effects without a cam gear, I tried both settings........
Not bad 135 crank hp from a 102 hp motor with simple bolt-ons. I consider the cam a simple bolt-on."
Would this be ok for dummies like myself? hahaha
yeah i think "links" youtube dont allow but
yes mistabone's suggestion was sa correction on lets say d15b7 or ph15 lx (not lxi) saten its half tooth off din vs esi... so to get it correct you do what he says
only thing sa p2j / p08 issue i shared on this video is... ok once that is corrected? is the quench distance correct if not then like my esi video? lower comp still made more power...
then after that? solution to swirl port for economy? so see after all that its alot better and simpler just slap a whole p08/z6 head right? cuz LFT and even Speedfactory coulda chosen a y8 head na p2j but didnt hmmm
and that is also why i touched up on "distributor" timing is impacted by cam timing...
as you see Transzex/mistabone gave valuable inputs
and you know locally its always p2j p08 cam mods and camgear dilema (some dont even see whats wrong) but none ever notified possible distributor issue that impacts fuel economy and even performance
btw the red lxi i mentioned on the vid? also had 4.7fd lol and natalo pa din 🤣 only found out when it was "for sale" had to declare it to up the value lmfao
So the best thing to do is to put p08 head on p6fd1 engine block? Any recommendation what ecu to be use?
Thank you.
Yessss as explained on the video , the p08 is timed different on the distributor end than the p2j and sure u can fix it with an adjustable cam gear but your injectors are still timed incorrectly so if they are charging labor it’s a good move cuz it means ud keep paying 😂
Any chipped Ecu should be good if tuned properly or run the stock p08 ecu on the p08 head but being tuned will be tons better and safer
@@SRDmotorsports My plan before is to use p08 internals on my p2j head (that 6 letter word still on my mind😂). I'm lucky that I've watched your video, whole plan is changed now.
I was here because I saw your comment in PADEK.
Thank you for the Vid, my knowledge na naman ako na nakuha. The videos you have are not just informative but full of humor.
Stay Safe Sir, and Godspeed. 💯
@@raymundmatias51 oh wow thank you! Sadly PADEK says no longer allowed to share outside links but atleast :)
And hoy u don’t qualify on the 6 letter word cuz u didn’t do it 😂
But u should check the other p2j vti video it may be more cost effective and just add a tunable Ecu and you’re golden! I believe it might even be better for fuel efficiency
@@SRDmotorsports Sure will watch all of it. Thank you again.
@@raymundmatias51 no worries and enjoy :) and ask any thing anytime
sir question..is P2J head internals compatible with the PO8 head?thanks..
Actually no… it makes the same issue as the p2j head on p08 cam it’s off by “half tooth”
@@SRDmotorsports ah..ok..cause i have an issue with the car that i bought last january..just lately i noticed that the head has been swap from po8 to p2j by the seller which also my mechanic without prior noticed to me..i noticed it because of the reoccurring leak from the head also from the valve cover..also the bolts from stock to oversize..then i did get back with the pictures of the engine before i bought it then the picture with the current engine..then i saw the code was not the same..from po8 to p2j..so i confront my mechanic and ask to change back with the original head..thats why im asking if the p2j internals are compatible with the po8 head..
Thanks!
@@PJworks oh hassle wow sorry to hear that
U can check some shops local some may have a blown p08 with busted chambers that can sell the rocker arm system and cam caps to you… this way just line bore will suffice
is it ok to ask the mechanic what are the internals to install when change to po8 head?
@@PJworks well definitely not the p2j internals
P08 head = 20camlobes
Nice inputs, i am currently building my own engine now, i'm planning to go for a daily driven car. I'm planning to put a p2a non vtec head on a ph16 block. Would it be possible master?
Yes definitely possible
@@SRDmotorsports for now i just don't know what cam gear to use the one on p2a or the one from pm3 head. Hope you can help master. 🙏🏼
@@christopherryanjacobo4746 camgear has to match the head , and the cam of that head
@@SRDmotorsports ow i see. So instead of usung the pm3 cam gear, i should use the p2a cam gear and change the timing belt from 106T to 104T is that right master?
I don’t think the pm3 cam wil fit the p2a head
Sir question lang po, pag ph15 lxi block tapos convert to vti 16cam lobes head. Mas okay ba yun boss? Hindi ba siya makaka affect sa timing gaya sa pagconvert ng p2j head with po8 internals? kasi ganon plano ko ph15 lxi block tapos p2j vtec 16 camlobes at upgrade lang injector at throttle body with programmable ecu
Follow up question sir. If mag throttle body ako na 70mm is it okay po? Kasi p2j vtec 16 cam lobes is for economy "vtec-e" mas lean ang setup. Iniisip ko baka sa sobrang laki ng throttle body at lean effect baka bumigay makina. Or is it okay? Just have a proper tuning and it will all be good?
i think this set up makes it unique... Ph15a (lxi) block and p2j vti head pra shang australian d15y5 na wala saten hehe
this might work better than converting it wrongly with P08 cam
@@Charlie-uu8so ung sa throttle i think more problem is 70mm maabot ung butas ng iacv eh so inde sha pde but a b16 60mm throttle no problem and yes vti head add mo programmable ecu is big help indeed
Thank you po 😁
@@Charlie-uu8so no worries :) thanks sa comment an feel free to comment again when u got updates :)
My father live this idol
oh thaaaanks whoa nice to know he loves this :)
I bought VTi with this kind of settings. Got me thinking swapping my P2j head to P08 🤕😵
well if ur vti is done like that yeah i think finding a p08 bare head might do wonders for you... cuz it might be harder to find a straigjt vti head but either way both could work well if on tuned ecu
@@SRDmotorsports Can I just transfer may P2j internals to a bare head P08 Head?
@@jmotovlog20 u mean the p2j current that has p08 internals transfer to a bare p08 head? if possible might need line bore on the cam journals but yes definitely possible
@@SRDmotorsports Yes, my P2j Head has P08 internals when I bought the car. It also has d15b block. That's why I can relate so much with this topic 🤣 especially on that camgear issue that take some money and time to be solved 😪
@@jmotovlog20 yes in this case better to find a p08 bare head indeed vs vti
i have ek5 rti 4wd with d16a non-vtec p2a-6 head s22 tranny. ano po ang best way para mapalakas siya? thank you ❤️
That’s an Lxi style head? This work on the video and the other p2j video helps kahit sa p2a head hehe
@@SRDmotorsports opo lxi head po! and 4wd po siya with S22 transmission. should i change to vtec head to make more power? ano po ang maisusuggest niyo?
@@SRDmotorsports Thank you so much! sobrang informative ng channel ninyo ❤️❤️
@@maehatano5804 thank you for peeps like you guys :) it makes all the sharing worth it :)
Actually the Lxi head is okay naman i think if possible to have it rewired to be able to run a tunable ecu it will do wonders + this lets you run either a y8 vti or p08 d15 intake manifold
that would also mean u can switch to a b16 throttle for improved response :) and that might be perfect for an awd
@@SRDmotorsports do i need to change vti distributor also? nasa japan po kasi ako and nasa osaka po ang tuners ng honda so bali ako lng din po ang gagawa sana need ko po magpalit ng engine harness and tuneable box like p08 or p27 sa tranny po wala po akong idea about cable type na sohc transmission may nagsasabi na pwede daw po bseries na gearingd which is hindi ko po sigurado 😁
Okay lang ba na mag p2j head kapag D15b ang block will it gain more power?
if compared to a p08 head I doubt it will gain but it’s okay, a harder question is “makakabit ba ng tama? “
Someone I know shared this video in their fb? Someone local commented disagreeing and “hating” on the video kase kaya naman daw
Then we find out that vti ran 17.8sec hahahahahahahaha mas mabagal pa sa bagong Vios… so pwede? Yeah sure if that’s the goal?
im planning to put p2j head on my D15b block because p2j is more VTEEC Vibes than po8 right? but if power gain po8 is the key?
@@perezernesto5754 no p2j same u can’t feel vtec only felt with dohc
Because on a sohc , vtec is only at the intake, the exhaust is all non vtec so u won’t feel it or hear it
@@SRDmotorsports i guess i need to buy a b series rn
Yeah or people need to realize vtec was for fuel economy even the name states it ,
Tbh i did not understand this as much as i watch it can someone dumb it down for me cause im running p2j head and po8 intake when i got my civic 😢
The intake is fine, it’s the cam issue as explained on the video
Ung engine ko p6fd1 tas head is Po8..so dapat hindi nila pinagpapalit ung ibat ibang head sa iba ibang engine block.. Tama po ba?
ah no if u are running a p08 head thats good and correct
what i talked about is yung mga "magaling" na convert vti head by using p08 cams and p08 rockers kase saliwa timing ng injector then they wonder why slow khit nag final drive lol
@@SRDmotorsports kuha ko na po.. Salamat
@@johnbarangas no prob im glad it gave better understanding sir
@@SRDmotorsports
Hi, I hope you get to still read this.
I did get what you meant by the P2J head with P08 internals having issues, your explanations were very eye opening, thanks so much!
My question is: I now see some sellers locally selling P2J head with stock 20 camlobes (not P08 internals), maybe this is from a US version (D16Y8 perhaps?)?
If that is the case, will this new P2J 20 camlobes version have NO more issues, as presented in the video? Its cam gear looks similar to the local P2J (Civic VTi) and not P08 cam gear
Is this version truly "bolt-on"?
No issues with stock VTi distributor, timing, head gasket, ECU, etc?
@@King-pv1du yes if it’s a USDM d16y8 head then all the known issues disappear and u use a y8 style camgear or like skunk2 has markings for z6 or y8 but the distributor issue and phasing is all good
Only diff now is when u buy let’s say crower stage 2 ? Don’t get the crower 63442z get the 63442Y cuz that’s also the reason why they did two diff cams
Sadly locally people sell the y version the 63442y and just says u just adjust the camgear? Sure and it’s back to the same issue I talked about on this video…
And u know madami nka ganyan or sellers here and see the results none ran good most even went to Mfactory gearsets and still needed to be feather weight to run decent = ultra slow
😌😌😌😌
Yep :)
@@SRDmotorsports idol sa psi pala ng gulong anu psi poh ba kadalasan pag naka semi slick na?
@@mikestorationtv2295 iba iba
And then you can dyno the ported p2j. I totally don't get why you're bashing the p2j on this video but yet praise it on the other. Sounds like a personal issue
It wasn’t the head, it’s what the locals do and try to make it as if it’s a d16y8 by slapping on a z6 camcap/rocker and z6 cam which is called a P08 here…
Hence the term “locally”
oh and they can dyno but they ran 17.871sec I don’t think we need to see a dyno of a slower than stock civic
Again this explanation is for the locals who keep junking stuff by attempting to make a z6 cam and rocker set work on a y5 or y7 it is I think as the d16y8 never came locally just US. sounds like comprehension is needed?
@@SRDmotorsports Quick question, I recently ported a p2j was planning to run d15b vtec cam and gear on A6 block running a p28. You think I'll see much gains over say a factory z6?
It will be fine if the p2j head runs it’s proper cam? Like a p2j / y series cam?
I mean in that sense it does work real decent,
@@SRDmotorsports I'm running OBD1, p28 16 degrees timing not 12 plus I'm working with what I got.
@@SRDmotorsports thanks for responding man I watch your videos all the time
Sorry bro I'm not trying to be a dick. I'll leave you alone for now.
Nah man all is good def no problem hehehe I def see where ur coming from… …a little thing to note the head casting has diff angled tangs for the distributor… so to get 16btdc it might be off position , and by then we know the 2 other sensors like cyp and tdc is “off” and that’s the injectors reference point on firing…
Def all good questions man… it helps the readers visualize too so you good man