Joe speaks the truth. As a European I have worked for 24 years in a Japanese engineering company . Safety, Compliance and Quality is everything for them. From my European location I see the crazy amount of hours they put in, but in reality they work very inefficiently. Elon has taken the best parts of Japanese work ethic and merged it with a reduced hierarchy and a culture of risky innovation.
"Science & Engineering" with strict principles, 'governed' by an AI platform committed to safety, speed, and productivity[$/t] is how Musk operates. I will bet that the 'safety' margins are right up there with the 'profit' margins, and the risk is mostly on Elon, who flirts with personal bankruptcy as a given, on any given day.
I remember going to Japan in the mid '80s and seeing people wearing masks on the trains. When I asked, I was told that they had colds and were trying not spread it to others. Since I worked in NY City, where we coughed and sneezed on everyone in the subways, I was just floored at how thoughtful and caring Japanese people were. We still haven't learned!
My favourite Japan anecdote is a from work colleague who worked in Tokyo years ago, who took his family through Ueno Park on Cherry Blossom Viewing Day, along with a half a million other Japanese. He realised at the end of the day he had left his expensive camera on a bench at the other end of the park, and after ploughing back through the huge crowds he found his camera still sitting there where he had left it.
Yep, we had Marines lose their wallets, and return later - sometimes days later - and they would still be there. People don't touch what isn't theirs in Japan. A lot of people don't even lock their bikes up at the train stations when they commute.
Enjoyed the video this morning. As an American that has lived in South Korea for the last 30 years, it really hits home as to why Korea is a good place for a Gigafactory. Korea is the polar opposite of Japan. A phrase here translates to hurry, hurry, it's okay. This used to mean taking shortcuts, poor quality, and bad safety was okay. Not anymore; now, it means innovation. Musk speak, move fast break things. The speed of change here is absolutely crazy.
Worked for PWC an aircraft engine manufacture in the R&D department. One of the most powerful jobs was the person that would look for some one that is trying to doing something different, then they would do everything possible to stop them. Only the smallest changes would be allowed, but each of those would take years.
I remember CQI/TQM from the early 90s at Boeing. Variation was always the demon to avoid - reduce testing effort by statistical modeling of the process - testing adds no value... Now with SW I am trying to iterate as fast as possible and designing product with tests to run as often as possible... Big changes.
21:00 It's interesting how the man who doesn't appear to be motivated by money or status is, in reality, one of the wealthiest and most influential individuals in history. He doesn't possess a lavish home, a luxury yacht, and typically wears t-shirts almost everywhere.
An fellow engineer spent over a year working in our company's division in Japan. He said the engineers there spend more time at work but it is offset by the time on break socializing and smoking. Also longer lunch breaks. This could be specific to Japanese engineers working for American firms. Yes it is Anecdotal evidence.
This whole conversation reminds me of the Japanese 3 faces quote. 1 face you show everyone, 1 face you only share with family, friends and intimate partners, the final true face you share with NO one. 🤔
Thanks John. This is one of the most helpful interviews I've watched this year... Wow! New, & particularly used imported Japanese vehicles are big part of our culture in NZ (as a fellow RH drive market), with much fondness among Kiwis having grown up with them since the 80s (often a young driver's first car). However, of late, I've been so frustrated/disappointed with Toyota/Japanese auto for their apparent resistance/stubbornness to move on EV development. Joe really explains the competing philosophies at play so well - I'm now much more sympathetic. Great to get inside confirmation that they're beginning to seriously take on board some Western criticisms. Clearly a culture with many positive things to offer us in return so would be a shame to see Japan fade into insignificance internationally.
I can attest to the safety thing in Japan. I was a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and did two of my deployments embedded in USMC units. When we were in Iwakuni, we had Marines lose their wallets a couple times. They'd return the next day, and find them untouched at the train stations. People do not touch what doesn't belong to them. It's common to see people leave their bikes unlocked at train stations for the same reason. We walked down dark alleys which we wouldn't have dared travel down in any other country. Japan is absurdly safe compared to most places. They're also extremely courteous (even if you are a *gaijin*). We asked for directions a few times, and in some cases we had people offer to take us in their cars. That would never happen in the US! Another time, we missed the last train back at the transfer at Shimenoseki from a kabuki [highly recommended - blows Broadway out of the water] performance in Fukuoka. We had to take a cab... for several hours. The taxi driver turned the meter off about halfway back to base, saving us a couple hundred bucks in cab fares. The Japanese put everyone who thinks they are polite to shame. They won't even eat fast food walking down the street, because it might make someone else hungry, and that would be rude.
1:41 There have not been "1,000 changes in 69 days". According to Elon Musk's interview, there have been 1,000 changes (which may just be an arbitrary number) in the design of Booster 9 compared to Booster 7 (or previous boosters in general). He even called booster 7 an old design with a mismatch of engines. He did not explicitly mention whether all of these changes were made since the last launch, although some of them may have been. The construction of Booster 9 was first observed in October of 2021, and it has been over 600 days since then to make changes both small and large. This time does not include any changes that might have occurred during the design phase of Booster 9 before its construction ever began. We already know each booster and starship has had numerous changes since the last. Additionally, these “changes” can range from the electric activator for the engines gambles to the color of tape used to mark a part.
I have lots of time to listen to Joe Justice. A very thoughtful person. It seems to me that thoughtful, as in people who really think, people are few and far between.
Japan's history basically has molded their present. A fractured society that had centuries of wars with squabbling warlords. Finally an empire was built after Japanese emperical servants pushed the idea of unity in order to get over the fractured society. It worked but too well. If you are too different you are shunned. I used to work for a large software support organization. We had separate support centers in Japan for our Japanese customers. The reason was that those customers refused to be helped by anyone that was not a native Japanese speaker. If you are Japanese individuality is usually not applauded, but is feared, distrusted, and it all goes back to their fractured history. This is the genius of Western culture.... that we recognize individuality and personal achievement, reward it, and glory in it. This can also be its pitfall as individuals who are not somehow exceptional get left behind and are discounted and marginalized. The question is whether there is a workable cultural middle road that humans can adopt.
Exceptionally well worded thoughtful response. Sadly America's culture is nothing but based upon non stop conflict present throughout our entire history. Something like only 5 years of non conflict or fighting proxy wars, sponsoring regime changes since the founding of America in 1776. 😏
Sounds like Norway could be in between your description of USA and Japan when it comes to culture. It's a safe country, you can't fail out of the system (as you put it) but we have access to a lot of natural resources.
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Having travelled in Japan, he’s correct about honest & respect. We were in a Starbucks in Osaka and watched a guy get one of the few open chairs, put his coat on it, set his laptop & phone on the table and disappeared into the men’s room. It wasn’t unusual behaviour at all, apparently.
I think it applies to all cultures with little distinction between the rich and poor. In Switzerland I observed in small towns lunch time siestas where all the shops shut and left wares on the street side.
It's always great to see you guys together and have fun discuss with a lot of exciting stuff. Anyway, I can help you guys with some Japanese counting systems. The number doesn't change. It stays the same. There are some variations of pronunciation, but 1,2,3 still "ichi", "ni", and "san". but whenever you point out the stuff, for example, 3 Tesla Model Y , we would say "3 dai" . if it's the book. "3 Satsu". if it's the pencil, "3 bon [hon]". I think he is talking about that. I hope it helps.
Yeah, that is what I think Joe is referring to. He didn’t mean the number changes exactly, but the counter label changes depending on the type of object. To use your example….cars… 3 dai or books… 3 satsu (車3台 and 本3冊). That doesn’t exist in English. It’s just 3 cars and 3 books, there are no special counter labels. It seems daunting to foreign learners of Japanese in the beginning, but I’d tell people that after a couple years of learning Japanese, you’ll be able to cover the basics without thinking about it too much.
Perhaps a little explanation about counting systems in Japan. My knowledge about this is limited, but I have studied it a bit. In some (many, a few?) cases objects are placed into categories. So for pencil shaped things you have x number of long thin objects. Another example--Mitsubishi. My understanding is this means "three (mitsu) diamond shaped (bishi) objects" Check out the logo for Mitsubishi products and you will get an inkling of what this is all about. As for honesty, we were in Japan a few years ago, waiting in a train station for our scheduled departure. I noticed that a man who had been sitting nearby got up and left. A small piece of paper fell out of his packet onto the chair where he had been sitting. A gentleman nearby noticed this also and went over to investigate what it was. He picked it up, examined it carefully, then left to try to find the owner. A short while later he returned, apparently not able to find the person who had been there. So what did he do with the piece of paper that was probably worthless? He carefully put it back on the chair to be found by the man who lost it should he happen to return. Any other place in the world and the paper would have been ignored, or more likely swept onto the floor to make room by the next occupant.
We have a similar counting system in the west but we don't recognize it as such. Think baseball, where you have single, double, triple or orchestra, where you have solo, duo, trio, quartet, quintet, etc.
Had a friend that was the head of the US division of a Japanese bank that dealt in US securities back when the world feared that Japan would end up owning everything and had the three top banks in the world. He said they were kinda doomed, because the whole thing could fall apart with a change in perception in the world. He said they couldn't really compete because it took them weeks or months to make a decision that would take a few minutes or less in their US competitors. He was correct. Also he was correct about the end of East Germany years before it happened and was looking for a way to purchase property there before it happened.
Joe is the goat . As far as SpaceX for us 60 hrs is the normal 40hr week . You can’t get to Mars in a normal working week. Leadership wise however SpaceX is not flat however.
Q.: What is the *_only_* thing you *_can't_*_ buy?_ A.: Time. @19:40 I leaned the importance of optimizing for time early in my career writing code on what were in the 1970s very *_slow_*_ machines._ You can always buy more, faster RAM, or a faster CPU, or bigger, faster hard drive, or communications equipment., but a second wasted is _wasted _*_forever._*
I can confirm that you can pass out in front of the busiest train station in Japan (Tokyo Station) and you won't be harmed - have seen it myself: salarymen in business suit sleeping on a bench. Trains don't run 24/7 and if you miss your last train home and don't want to fork out big money on a taxi you sleep on a bench. Also can confirm that if you loose you wallet in a Japanese train you'll get it back within 2 days because someone will find it and turn it to lost&found (happened to a colleague of mine).
In Greek there are two words for time. Chronos and Kairos. Chronos is the chronological linear understanding. Kairos is the moment, the fullness of time when the birth is starting.
No Joe, your birthday is not given in Reiwa (reign of Emperor Naruhito) on your Japanese driver’s license… unless you’re in preschool. 😉 If you’re not in your 40’s or older, your birthday is in Heisei, the reign of Emperor Akihito. 40’s and older are going to be Showa, the reign of Emperor Hirohito. The expiration date will be your birthday 3-5 years in the future which will be Reiwa. Yes, you are correct about the Japanese government still using the imperial calendar. While it can be confusing at times, personally I didn’t find the adjustment that difficult nor translating between it and the western calendar difficult. Safety in Japan… ugh. That’s a pretty big one to unpack, really requiring one to go back to Japan’s history with first the Tokugawa shogunate adopting Neo-Confucianism as the principle of establishing social and political order… controlling people in the 17th century. This created a Confucian social stratification in Edo society that previously had not existed, dividing Japanese society into four main classes: the samurai, seen as the Japanese equivalent of the Chinese scholar-bureaucrats, at the top of the social hierarchy, then the farmers, artisans, and merchants. This was following the tumultuous period known as the Warring States Period. During Meiji Restoration that followed the Bakumatsu (fall of the Shogunate), Japan underwent rapid and drastic changes, starting with the return of ruling power to the Emperor, the establishment of a constitutional monarchy with the promulgation of the Meiji Constitution and complete reorganization of the military, land and creation of public education with the Imperial Rescript on Education. The Japanese government formed in the 1860s utilized the moral and ethical teachings of Confucianism to establish a sense of national identity through State Shinto, the national religion of Japan. In Confucianism, filial piety was extremely important. Children were expected to obey and respect their parents, bring honor to their family by being successful in life, and support and care for their parents in old age. This type of relationship also extended to the ruler and their subjects, where the subjects owed their loyalty and in exchange the ruler was expected to be benevolent. Without getting into a whole dissertation, you can start to understand the organization of Japanese society. Especially since you are spending time with an elementary school 1st grade class, check out the following books: Preschool in Three Cultures: Japan, China and the Unites States by Joseph J. Tobin, David Y.H. Wu and Dana H. Davidson Preschool in Three Cultures Revisited: Japan, China and the Unites States by Joseph J. Tobin, David Y.H. Wu and Dana H. Davidson Video of Preschool in Three Cultures: th-cam.com/video/QIrNBrjUmgY/w-d-xo.html There are a number of other books I’d also recommend, depending on what you’re looking to learn about Japan. To give you a little of my background… my education is officially Political Science minoring in East Asian studies, but is really Japan Studies… which didn’t exist at my University at the time. I’ve worked in Tohoku (northern Japan) in a City Hall on the JET Program and worked for several tech companies in Tokyo. I’ve also worked at Nissan at the Tech Center in Michigan. I do read, write and speak Japanese fluently. Please feel free to reach out.
I think the word you guys were searching for is “honor”. If someone in Japan were to steal something (eg laptop) they would dishonor their entire family
Interesting insight - as I Gad not seen TPS through such a lens before now; that of - resource optimisation -v- pace of innovation SpaceX (neuralink & Tesla). When I was introduced to TPS - it was all about optimisation of process, with a high efficiency on time taken to complete tasks. With ANY innovation contemplated and framed around reduction in time taken / resources expended per unit of production. Which was in and of itself innovative (at least to me, / learning of Prof. Deming, Shewhart & Control Charts. That said, is SpaceX offering true Innovation? Ask as Elon appears to be taking just as a bounded an approach with their rocket engine (as TPS does with its ICE cars) - with no Aerospike engines - I guess the rocket engine needed to be tried and tested to keep the certification bodies on familiar ground. Thanks.
I had the Japan experience many times while living in Santa Cruz CA for thirty years. Would drop my wallet somewhere: I would get a phone call from somebody and they would return it with hundreds in cash all there and refuse to take a reward. Would forget my phone at a coffee house, it would be behind the counter the next day. Or the best one: I left my credit card in a walk up bank machine, in the slot with my password entered and it was laying on the shelf of that machine the next day, after probably hundreds of people had used it. In fact the most dangerous thing in Santa Cruz seemed to be the police, and they really weren't that bad, compared to most of the USA.
You use ichi, ni, San for certain aspects like time and math, but there's a separate numbering system for counting certain objects. After 10 or around 100, it reverts back to the normal way of saying the number. It's the same as Korean, vietnamese, Chinese, and other Asian languages where you have separate pronunciations for the same number depending on the context of how you're using it. English has this too somewhat: first, second, third, once, twice, thrice vs one, two, three
Sorry, made a mistake. I don't think Chinese languages have separate pronunciations for the same number. But it does have counters for different objects. A lot of the reason for the different number systems in Korean and Japanese is because there was a native numbering system originally, but importation of Chinese culture and ideas resulted in a separate numbering system with words of Chinese origin. You can hear it in the pronunciation of the numbers 1-10, they are similar across all three languages, but as soon as you switch to the other counting system in Korean and Japanese, they sound completely different.
Thank you John, this is an excellent video. 👍👍🇺🇸 I never thought I would ever disagree with you and Joe Justice, but. Our number system is base ten yet, thank heaven our calendar, time and degrees of rotation are in units of twelve. The earth rotates 15 degrees per hour. Think of what a mess geometry would be if the circle was divided into decimal units. The English measurement system naturally followed that there would be twelve inches to the foot and thirty six inches to the yard. We sell items by the dozen and gross because of the multiple ways the items can be packaged. While we use fractional inches, machinists have used decimal inches for over a hundred years. I suspect that all the plumbing in Europe is still measured in inches. I have never heard an argument of why the centimeter is superior to the inch, only why decimal is superior to fractions.
Great post. A foot was a foot, an inch the width of a pressed thumb etc. The decimal system is great but is a contrived invention. Not a bad thing but it has no history in nature.
Interesting thoughts. Remember the gradian where there are 100 per 90 degrees and 400 for a circle. And then there is Radix: with other unit bases: binary, octal, decimal, hex ….
Great interview specially watch it in Japan. I have seen japanese company lost in HD TV, Semiconductor, Smart Phone. Now they are losing in BEV. In early 90s, they don't know how to lead the world. And now their leaders don't really know or don't want connect to the world. Very simple example, I can use my BofA Visa card in most contories, Including Vietnam, China est. But in Japan, I only can withdrawal cash from City Bank ATM or 7-11's ATM. Even though, Japan is the best place to retire. Special for people can understand Japanese.
Because in business and politics, Japan has a lack of real leadership today. You wouldn’t see a maverick like Soichiro Honda in business, or Shigeru Yoshida or Yasuhiro Nakasone in politics. Instead just a lot of consensus driven yes men, no consensus creating leaders.
@@surferdude4487 It would not surprise me to see Japan have a hydrogen transport future. It would be typical for them to do something different from everyone. It's in their Island mentality.
@@Mojo16011973 It would surprise me a great deal. Hydrogen is terrible for anything but a one-use rocket. The reasons why are enough to do an entire documentary video.
@@surferdude4487This comes from the 2011 Tohoku Earthquake and Tsunami which resulted in a reactor breach at the TEPCO operated Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant (due to poor safety preparations and risk management) and the SCRAM of all other nuclear reactors in Japan. Since then in 2020 of the 54 reactors in Japan, 42 were operable, but only 9 in 5 plants were actually operating… creating a huge power shortage. Japan had pledged to phase out nuclear power, but now has 10 operating and plans to bring 17 more back online despite opposition from the Japanese people. Take a guess why. So, actually Japan had been a lot more onboard with an EV future prior to the earthquake. The aftermath kinda threw a wrench in the works and resulted in the heavy use of coal fired plants. Given that situation… hydrogen would seem to a possible solution to reduce carbon emissions, while not having to really address the power generation issues.
At this accelerated rate of iteration, how do you coordinate I plications/ripples on adjacent components & systems? It is I possible to change a component in a system without affecting connected components. I'm not saying there can be no coordination, I'm asking how they make it work?
When employed in Japan, just remember the Carlos Ghosn experience, because they may have a history of personal honesty, but cultural and business practices are ABSOLUTELY cut-throat. Ask any 'ethnic Japanese/Brazilian, who is discriminated against in Japan.
American weights and measures are better for music lyrics. To get an insight on the Eastern vs Western communication differences and burdens of comprehension, read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers. Really helped me in S. Korea.
Hi John... Love your videos... But Korea & Japan are not similar cultures... I think what you are suggesting they shsre similar Eaatern/Asian philosophies.
To Joe's point about the different counting systems: it's not as crazy as it sounds at first. Think of it the way we might say a "herd of geese" or a "pack of wild dogs", etc. We *kinda* do a similar thing in English. The Japanese way just isn't intuitive to native English speakers. It is a little weird, but not as insane as it first sounds once you think about how we do similar things in our own language. We kind of have different ways of counting different types of things, too. My Japanese is *VERY* rusty, and I only ever got up a few hundred kanji, the syllabaries (hiragana, katakana) and maybe a few thousand words of vocabulary - so maybe a grade or two higher than Joe is enrolled in at the moment. I could ask people for directions, ask how much things cost, ask people if I could take their picture, and very basic conversation.
Japan or East Asian countries in general are not so good at innovating things, but perfecting things, continuing minor tweaking endlessly. As for BEVs, I think Chinese car manufactures are gonna perfect them. You cannot expect Toyota for producing competing BEVs, it's like asking an veteran swordsmith to start producing guns.
I wonder what Joe would think if he was Japanese or was raised abroad and came to the US and encountered its social and educational system, if he'd have the same thoughts about the baggage that gets carried over from generation to generation. How much does using the reiwa for years, especially when it's not used as much in daily life and when working with foreign companies, matter? And the nuances of each language? Learning English and coming to the US, the amount of inefficiencies and non-sensual things that get taught and carried over is crazy. It's funny to me that US schools have spelling bees. There are no spelling bees in many countries because most of the time, words are spelled as they should be. Yet, English speaking countries not only not seem to care, they actively perpetuate the spelling and grammar system, and let's not get into the discrimination that comes with it. To his credit, Joe recognises that it's in his country too, but I wonder if his culture shock is leading to him to look a lot at the differences and latch on to those vs looking into how he might have reacted had he switched roles.
The nuances of each language are wrapped up in history and culture of each nation. I’ll agree that the imperial calendar isn’t that big of a deal, especially since it really isn’t used in daily life and one will eventually get the hang of the counters. Learning kanji devours an absurd amount of time for students, but without it… a page of just hiragana can be a bit tough to read. Kanji help to breakup words (spaces aren’t used in Japanese) and add a certain flavor to the text.
The Japanese really value their racial homogeneity. People of Korean ancestry, who were born in Japan, and even with grandparents and great grandparents who were born in Japan, who speak Japanese as their first language, and do not speak Korean at all, are not integrated into Japanese society. Japan has a very restrictive immigration policy, despite their long recognized population decline. For these and many other reasons, Tesla could not have happened in Japan. Elon could not have “happened” in Japan.
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Finally a fair representation of Toyota and Japan. I get so sick of the Tesla fan boy mentality that fails to take the blinders off, step back, and look at the bigger picture. What happens at Toyota is what happens in Japan. Japan is going to take care of Japan first. This is one reason why Hydrogen is a high priority. They see producing Hydrogen as a better option to importing oil and gas. They also see Hydrogen as a potential export. Toyota is patiently waiting for their solid state battery technology, before going all in on their global EV offerings. They see it as a way to leap frog their position in the EV market and they are willing to wait for it. People should connect the dots when Japan says they can't produce enough electricity to support a 100 percent transition to BEVs...enter hybrids AND Hydrogen.
Joe speaks the truth. As a European I have worked for 24 years in a Japanese engineering company .
Safety, Compliance and Quality is everything for them. From my European location I see the crazy amount of hours they put in, but in reality they work very inefficiently. Elon has taken the best parts of Japanese work ethic and merged it with a reduced hierarchy and a culture of risky innovation.
"Science & Engineering" with strict principles, 'governed' by an AI platform committed to safety, speed, and productivity[$/t] is how Musk operates. I will bet that the 'safety' margins are right up there with the 'profit' margins, and the risk is mostly on Elon, who flirts with personal bankruptcy as a given, on any given day.
I remember going to Japan in the mid '80s and seeing people wearing masks on the trains. When I asked, I was told that they had colds and were trying not spread it to others. Since I worked in NY City, where we coughed and sneezed on everyone in the subways, I was just floored at how thoughtful and caring Japanese people were. We still haven't learned!
i am german and living in thailand and i can connect to what you have written, because its the same here.
Joe Justice is a treasure and I greedily watch what he posts on TH-cam. Hope to hear more from you both discussing ideas together.
My favourite Japan anecdote is a from work colleague who worked in Tokyo years ago, who took his family through Ueno Park on Cherry Blossom Viewing Day, along with a half a million other Japanese. He realised at the end of the day he had left his expensive camera on a bench at the other end of the park, and after ploughing back through the huge crowds he found his camera still sitting there where he had left it.
Yep, we had Marines lose their wallets, and return later - sometimes days later - and they would still be there. People don't touch what isn't theirs in Japan. A lot of people don't even lock their bikes up at the train stations when they commute.
What a great episode. The insight into Japan was amazing.
I have lived in Japan for about 20 years. Very nice insight and interesting discussions. Great show!
Enjoyed the video this morning. As an American that has lived in South Korea for the last 30 years, it really hits home as to why Korea is a good place for a Gigafactory. Korea is the polar opposite of Japan. A phrase here translates to hurry, hurry, it's okay. This used to mean taking shortcuts, poor quality, and bad safety was okay. Not anymore; now, it means innovation. Musk speak, move fast break things. The speed of change here is absolutely crazy.
Thank you for getting Joe online. I have been missing hearing from him.
Worked for PWC an aircraft engine manufacture in the R&D department.
One of the most powerful jobs was the person that would look for some one that is trying to doing something different, then they would do everything possible to stop them. Only the smallest changes would be allowed, but each of those would take years.
I have been to Japan twice and I wish everyone could visit Japan, Joe nailed it, I would add the word respect
Yes, respect was the word that came to my mind.
I remember CQI/TQM from the early 90s at Boeing. Variation was always the demon to avoid - reduce testing effort by statistical modeling of the process - testing adds no value...
Now with SW I am trying to iterate as fast as possible and designing product with tests to run as often as possible...
Big changes.
I have never passed out on a train in Japan to proof his point. But I can testify the safety of Japan 👍
21:00 It's interesting how the man who doesn't appear to be motivated by money or status is, in reality, one of the wealthiest and most influential individuals in history. He doesn't possess a lavish home, a luxury yacht, and typically wears t-shirts almost everywhere.
Great - as every single time. Thanks, Joe/hn!
Long awaited discussion with Joe Justice😊
First time hearing Joe Justic's thoughts at length. Fascinating! Thanks for a great conversation John and Joe!
An fellow engineer spent over a year working in our company's division in Japan. He said the engineers there spend more time at work but it is offset by the time on break socializing and smoking. Also longer lunch breaks. This could be specific to Japanese engineers working for American firms. Yes it is Anecdotal evidence.
This whole conversation reminds me of the Japanese 3 faces quote. 1 face you show everyone, 1 face you only share with family, friends and intimate partners, the final true face you share with NO one. 🤔
They teached me 30 years „just in time“ at Opel… 😂
Thanks John. This is one of the most helpful interviews I've watched this year... Wow!
New, & particularly used imported Japanese vehicles are big part of our culture in NZ (as a fellow RH drive market), with much fondness among Kiwis having grown up with them since the 80s (often a young driver's first car). However, of late, I've been so frustrated/disappointed with Toyota/Japanese auto for their apparent resistance/stubbornness to move on EV development. Joe really explains the competing philosophies at play so well - I'm now much more sympathetic. Great to get inside confirmation that they're beginning to seriously take on board some Western criticisms. Clearly a culture with many positive things to offer us in return so would be a shame to see Japan fade into insignificance internationally.
I can confirm the sense of safety in Japan. The amount of honor and respect that is PRESUPPOSED and everpresent there is inspiring.
I can attest to the safety thing in Japan. I was a Navy Hospital Corpsman, and did two of my deployments embedded in USMC units. When we were in Iwakuni, we had Marines lose their wallets a couple times. They'd return the next day, and find them untouched at the train stations. People do not touch what doesn't belong to them. It's common to see people leave their bikes unlocked at train stations for the same reason. We walked down dark alleys which we wouldn't have dared travel down in any other country. Japan is absurdly safe compared to most places.
They're also extremely courteous (even if you are a *gaijin*). We asked for directions a few times, and in some cases we had people offer to take us in their cars. That would never happen in the US! Another time, we missed the last train back at the transfer at Shimenoseki from a kabuki [highly recommended - blows Broadway out of the water] performance in Fukuoka. We had to take a cab... for several hours. The taxi driver turned the meter off about halfway back to base, saving us a couple hundred bucks in cab fares. The Japanese put everyone who thinks they are polite to shame. They won't even eat fast food walking down the street, because it might make someone else hungry, and that would be rude.
1:41 There have not been "1,000 changes in 69 days". According to Elon Musk's interview, there have been 1,000 changes (which may just be an arbitrary number) in the design of Booster 9 compared to Booster 7 (or previous boosters in general). He even called booster 7 an old design with a mismatch of engines. He did not explicitly mention whether all of these changes were made since the last launch, although some of them may have been. The construction of Booster 9 was first observed in October of 2021, and it has been over 600 days since then to make changes both small and large. This time does not include any changes that might have occurred during the design phase of Booster 9 before its construction ever began. We already know each booster and starship has had numerous changes since the last. Additionally, these “changes” can range from the electric activator for the engines gambles to the color of tape used to mark a part.
I have lots of time to listen to Joe Justice. A very thoughtful person. It seems to me that thoughtful, as in people who really think, people are few and far between.
Fascinating discussion. Thank you guys!
Fascinating thanks. Cultures will have to change to adapt and survive.
Japan's history basically has molded their present. A fractured society that had centuries of wars with squabbling warlords. Finally an empire was built after Japanese emperical servants pushed the idea of unity in order to get over the fractured society.
It worked but too well. If you are too different you are shunned. I used to work for a large software support organization. We had separate support centers in Japan for our Japanese customers. The reason was that those customers refused to be helped by anyone that was not a native Japanese speaker. If you are Japanese individuality is usually not applauded, but is feared, distrusted, and it all goes back to their fractured history.
This is the genius of Western culture.... that we recognize individuality and personal achievement, reward it, and glory in it. This can also be its pitfall as individuals who are not somehow exceptional get left behind and are discounted and marginalized.
The question is whether there is a workable cultural middle road that humans can adopt.
Exceptionally well worded thoughtful response.
Sadly America's culture is nothing but based upon non stop conflict present throughout our entire history. Something like only 5 years of non conflict or fighting proxy wars, sponsoring regime changes since the founding of America in 1776. 😏
Sounds like Norway could be in between your description of USA and Japan when it comes to culture. It's a safe country, you can't fail out of the system (as you put it) but we have access to a lot of natural resources.
Great job guys!! such an insightful talk! 👍
Dr. KNow It All...love your content man. You've been saying, 'RIGHT' a little too much my friend. 😅 The in-between short silence of your guest is ok. It don't need to be filled. 🤣
Keep up the good work.
John, you're great, but please let Joe talk. Don't interrupt him.
Poo.
Honestly didn’t feel like john was noticeably interruptive.
@@okthisisthelasttimeipromise Glad to hear that. Thanks
He's a teacher. He thinks he needs to talk...always.. lol
What a chat!! LOVED this one guys
Great discussion! Cheers
Doc you should move to dual screen like Farzad and others to prevent so much screen switching - it gets distracting.
Otherwise awesome episode.
Making changes on spaceship isn't hard, it's getting them approved by a government agency that's really impressive.
Timie is also a resource in reality.
Big thank you to you both.
Joe and John, love you guys!
Wow, great guest/interview.
Having travelled in Japan, he’s correct about honest & respect. We were in a Starbucks in Osaka and watched a guy get one of the few open chairs, put his coat on it, set his laptop & phone on the table and disappeared into the men’s room. It wasn’t unusual behaviour at all, apparently.
I think it applies to all cultures with little distinction between the rich and poor. In Switzerland I observed in small towns lunch time siestas where all the shops shut and left wares on the street side.
As long as you guys are generalizing from anecdotes: Six years ago, I left my laptop on a bus stop bench in Brooklyn, NY and it was returned to me.
Yes, Japanese people are generally the most humble and kind people i have ever met.
Superb episode can’t wait to the next one. I learnt so much about Japan Thanks.
It's always great to see you guys together and have fun discuss with a lot of exciting stuff. Anyway, I can help you guys with some Japanese counting systems. The number doesn't change. It stays the same. There are some variations of pronunciation, but 1,2,3 still "ichi", "ni", and "san". but whenever you point out the stuff, for example, 3 Tesla Model Y , we would say "3 dai" . if it's the book. "3 Satsu". if it's the pencil, "3 bon [hon]". I think he is talking about that. I hope it helps.
Yeah, that is what I think Joe is referring to. He didn’t mean the number changes exactly, but the counter label changes depending on the type of object. To use your example….cars… 3 dai or books… 3 satsu (車3台 and 本3冊). That doesn’t exist in English. It’s just 3 cars and 3 books, there are no special counter labels. It seems daunting to foreign learners of Japanese in the beginning, but I’d tell people that after a couple years of learning Japanese, you’ll be able to cover the basics without thinking about it too much.
Yes, the numbers stay the same, but they add a specific "counting suffix" to the number.
Perhaps a little explanation about counting systems in Japan. My knowledge about this is limited, but I have studied it a bit. In some (many, a few?) cases objects are placed into categories. So for pencil shaped things you have x number of long thin objects. Another example--Mitsubishi. My understanding is this means "three (mitsu) diamond shaped (bishi) objects" Check out the logo for Mitsubishi products and you will get an inkling of what this is all about.
As for honesty, we were in Japan a few years ago, waiting in a train station for our scheduled departure. I noticed that a man who had been sitting nearby got up and left. A small piece of paper fell out of his packet onto the chair where he had been sitting. A gentleman nearby noticed this also and went over to investigate what it was. He picked it up, examined it carefully, then left to try to find the owner. A short while later he returned, apparently not able to find the person who had been there. So what did he do with the piece of paper that was probably worthless? He carefully put it back on the chair to be found by the man who lost it should he happen to return. Any other place in the world and the paper would have been ignored, or more likely swept onto the floor to make room by the next occupant.
Skunkworks is the closest known paradigm.
I live in Japan. What Joe says is 100% true
We have a similar counting system in the west but we don't recognize it as such.
Think baseball, where you have single, double, triple or orchestra, where you have solo, duo, trio, quartet, quintet, etc.
Had a friend that was the head of the US division of a Japanese bank that dealt in US securities back when the world feared that Japan would end up owning everything and had the three top banks in the world.
He said they were kinda doomed, because the whole thing could fall apart with a change in perception in the world. He said they couldn't really compete because it took them weeks or months to make a decision that would take a few minutes or less in their US competitors. He was correct. Also he was correct about the end of East Germany years before it happened and was looking for a way to purchase property there before it happened.
Joe is the goat . As far as SpaceX for us 60 hrs is the normal 40hr week . You can’t get to Mars in a normal working week. Leadership wise however SpaceX is not flat however.
Q.: What is the *_only_* thing you *_can't_*_ buy?_
A.: Time.
@19:40 I leaned the importance of optimizing for time early in my career writing code on what were in the 1970s very *_slow_*_ machines._
You can always buy more, faster RAM, or a faster CPU, or bigger, faster hard drive, or communications equipment., but a second wasted is _wasted _*_forever._*
Good talk!
No Agile ! Awesome !
I can confirm that you can pass out in front of the busiest train station in Japan (Tokyo Station) and you won't be harmed - have seen it myself: salarymen in business suit sleeping on a bench. Trains don't run 24/7 and if you miss your last train home and don't want to fork out big money on a taxi you sleep on a bench.
Also can confirm that if you loose you wallet in a Japanese train you'll get it back within 2 days because someone will find it and turn it to lost&found (happened to a colleague of mine).
Singapore is the safest place I have ever been.
In Greek there are two words for time. Chronos and Kairos. Chronos is the chronological linear understanding. Kairos is the moment, the fullness of time when the birth is starting.
No Joe, your birthday is not given in Reiwa (reign of Emperor Naruhito) on your Japanese driver’s license… unless you’re in preschool. 😉 If you’re not in your 40’s or older, your birthday is in Heisei, the reign of Emperor Akihito. 40’s and older are going to be Showa, the reign of Emperor Hirohito. The expiration date will be your birthday 3-5 years in the future which will be Reiwa. Yes, you are correct about the Japanese government still using the imperial calendar. While it can be confusing at times, personally I didn’t find the adjustment that difficult nor translating between it and the western calendar difficult.
Safety in Japan… ugh. That’s a pretty big one to unpack, really requiring one to go back to Japan’s history with first the Tokugawa shogunate adopting Neo-Confucianism as the principle of establishing social and political order… controlling people in the 17th century. This created a Confucian social stratification in Edo society that previously had not existed, dividing Japanese society into four main classes: the samurai, seen as the Japanese equivalent of the Chinese scholar-bureaucrats, at the top of the social hierarchy, then the farmers, artisans, and merchants. This was following the tumultuous period known as the Warring States Period. During Meiji Restoration that followed the Bakumatsu (fall of the Shogunate), Japan underwent rapid and drastic changes, starting with the return of ruling power to the Emperor, the establishment of a constitutional monarchy with the promulgation of the Meiji Constitution and complete reorganization of the military, land and creation of public education with the Imperial Rescript on Education. The Japanese government formed in the 1860s utilized the moral and ethical teachings of Confucianism to establish a sense of national identity through State Shinto, the national religion of Japan. In Confucianism, filial piety was extremely important. Children were expected to obey and respect their parents, bring honor to their family by being successful in life, and support and care for their parents in old age. This type of relationship also extended to the ruler and their subjects, where the subjects owed their loyalty and in exchange the ruler was expected to be benevolent.
Without getting into a whole dissertation, you can start to understand the organization of Japanese society. Especially since you are spending time with an elementary school 1st grade class, check out the following books:
Preschool in Three Cultures: Japan, China and the Unites States by Joseph J. Tobin, David Y.H. Wu and Dana H. Davidson
Preschool in Three Cultures Revisited: Japan, China and the Unites States by Joseph J. Tobin, David Y.H. Wu and Dana H. Davidson
Video of Preschool in Three Cultures: th-cam.com/video/QIrNBrjUmgY/w-d-xo.html
There are a number of other books I’d also recommend, depending on what you’re looking to learn about Japan.
To give you a little of my background… my education is officially Political Science minoring in East Asian studies, but is really Japan Studies… which didn’t exist at my University at the time. I’ve worked in Tohoku (northern Japan) in a City Hall on the JET Program and worked for several tech companies in Tokyo. I’ve also worked at Nissan at the Tech Center in Michigan. I do read, write and speak Japanese fluently. Please feel free to reach out.
There are fundamental facts on this vlog for all governments and most importantly all universities, as far as the power elite goes do they care ???
The Davos crowd are “navel gazers.”
I think the word you guys were searching for is “honor”. If someone in Japan were to steal something (eg laptop) they would dishonor their entire family
Interesting insight - as I Gad not seen TPS through such a lens before now; that of - resource optimisation -v- pace of innovation SpaceX (neuralink & Tesla).
When I was introduced to TPS - it was all about optimisation of process, with a high efficiency on time taken to complete tasks. With ANY innovation contemplated and framed around reduction in time taken / resources expended per unit of production. Which was in and of itself innovative (at least to me, / learning of Prof. Deming, Shewhart & Control Charts.
That said, is SpaceX offering true Innovation? Ask as Elon appears to be taking just as a bounded an approach with their rocket engine (as TPS does with its ICE cars) - with no Aerospike engines - I guess the rocket engine needed to be tried and tested to keep the certification bodies on familiar ground. Thanks.
I’ll watch later👀
I had the Japan experience many times while living in Santa Cruz CA for thirty years. Would drop my wallet somewhere: I would get a phone call from somebody and they would return it with hundreds in cash all there and refuse to take a reward. Would forget my phone at a coffee house, it would be behind the counter the next day. Or the best one: I left my credit card in a walk up bank machine, in the slot with my password entered and it was laying on the shelf of that machine the next day, after probably hundreds of people had used it.
In fact the most dangerous thing in Santa Cruz seemed to be the police, and they really weren't that bad, compared to most of the USA.
I visited Japan a few years ago and I’ve never felt safer anywhere.
Take a shot everytime John says "right..."
Thank me later.
I would love to be bossed by Data. He was a great commander!
This gives amazing cultural perspective on Toyota’s SLOW adoption of EV transition. Wow.
💯- I'm on NSF live a lot during the day and wishing I could go down to see Star Ship. 😜
You use ichi, ni, San for certain aspects like time and math, but there's a separate numbering system for counting certain objects. After 10 or around 100, it reverts back to the normal way of saying the number. It's the same as Korean, vietnamese, Chinese, and other Asian languages where you have separate pronunciations for the same number depending on the context of how you're using it. English has this too somewhat: first, second, third, once, twice, thrice vs one, two, three
Sorry, made a mistake. I don't think Chinese languages have separate pronunciations for the same number. But it does have counters for different objects. A lot of the reason for the different number systems in Korean and Japanese is because there was a native numbering system originally, but importation of Chinese culture and ideas resulted in a separate numbering system with words of Chinese origin. You can hear it in the pronunciation of the numbers 1-10, they are similar across all three languages, but as soon as you switch to the other counting system in Korean and Japanese, they sound completely different.
Thank you John, this is an excellent video. 👍👍🇺🇸
I never thought I would ever disagree with you and Joe Justice, but.
Our number system is base ten yet, thank heaven our calendar, time and degrees of rotation are in units of twelve.
The earth rotates 15 degrees per hour. Think of what a mess geometry would be if the circle was divided into decimal units.
The English measurement system naturally followed that there would be twelve inches to the foot and thirty six inches to the yard.
We sell items by the dozen and gross because of the multiple ways the items can be packaged.
While we use fractional inches, machinists have used decimal inches for over a hundred years.
I suspect that all the plumbing in Europe is still measured in inches.
I have never heard an argument of why the centimeter is superior to the inch, only why decimal is superior to fractions.
Great post.
A foot was a foot, an inch the width of a pressed thumb etc.
The decimal system is great but is a contrived invention.
Not a bad thing but it has no history in nature.
Interesting thoughts. Remember the gradian where there are 100 per 90 degrees and 400 for a circle. And then there is Radix: with other unit bases: binary, octal, decimal, hex ….
@@NickMackenzieMD Thank you for your thoughtful input.
We should also rejoice in the fact that tyre sizes are mm, %, inch, alphabetical and numerical.
@@andrewsaint6581To be exact, the length of one foot - King Henry I's foot, ~11% of the US population.
Were many of the thousand already on the newer Starship and Booster? I assume so.
In Japan, it sounds like the words are "my honor matters."
Great interview specially watch it in Japan. I have seen japanese company lost in HD TV, Semiconductor, Smart Phone. Now they are losing in BEV. In early 90s, they don't know how to lead the world. And now their leaders don't really know or don't want connect to the world. Very simple example, I can use my BofA Visa card in most contories,
Including Vietnam, China est. But in Japan, I only can withdrawal cash from City Bank ATM or 7-11's ATM.
Even though, Japan is the best place to retire. Special for people can understand Japanese.
Japan used to do “speed.” Honda did CB750 & CVCC, shaking up 2 industries. Now Honda asks GM to help them work faster?
Because in business and politics, Japan has a lack of real leadership today. You wouldn’t see a maverick like Soichiro Honda in business, or Shigeru Yoshida or Yasuhiro Nakasone in politics. Instead just a lot of consensus driven yes men, no consensus creating leaders.
GM work faster😂😂😂😂😂
that school looks amazing I can smell all the wood
Toyota’s problem is stubbornness ,tunnel vision .Their inability to pivot from their obsession with hydrogen to solar,BEV,Battery storage.
To be fair, this is not entirely Toyota's fault. For reasons that I do not understand, the Japanese government is pushing hydrogen really hard.
@@surferdude4487 It would not surprise me to see Japan have a hydrogen transport future. It would be typical for them to do something different from everyone. It's in their Island mentality.
@@Mojo16011973 It would surprise me a great deal. Hydrogen is terrible for anything but a one-use rocket. The reasons why are enough to do an entire documentary video.
@@surferdude4487 I agree on hydrogen dude. I know the Japanese and although it may be unlikely nothing would surprise me.
@@surferdude4487This comes from the 2011 Tohoku Earthquake and Tsunami which resulted in a reactor breach at the TEPCO operated Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant (due to poor safety preparations and risk management) and the SCRAM of all other nuclear reactors in Japan. Since then in 2020 of the 54 reactors in Japan, 42 were operable, but only 9 in 5 plants were actually operating… creating a huge power shortage. Japan had pledged to phase out nuclear power, but now has 10 operating and plans to bring 17 more back online despite opposition from the Japanese people. Take a guess why.
So, actually Japan had been a lot more onboard with an EV future prior to the earthquake. The aftermath kinda threw a wrench in the works and resulted in the heavy use of coal fired plants. Given that situation… hydrogen would seem to a possible solution to reduce carbon emissions, while not having to really address the power generation issues.
At this accelerated rate of iteration, how do you coordinate I plications/ripples on adjacent components & systems? It is I possible to change a component in a system without affecting connected components. I'm not saying there can be no coordination, I'm asking how they make it work?
to master a solar system as identity is a talent to explore
(human talents are infinite )
When employed in Japan, just remember the Carlos Ghosn experience, because they may have a history of personal honesty, but cultural and business practices are ABSOLUTELY cut-throat. Ask any 'ethnic Japanese/Brazilian, who is discriminated against in Japan.
Time is the only comodity
American weights and measures are better for music lyrics. To get an insight on the Eastern vs Western communication differences and burdens of comprehension, read Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers. Really helped me in S. Korea.
You never want government to operate faster.
It seems that Musk's mindset is on a war-like priority with time being the most valuable resource.
Hi John... Love your videos... But Korea & Japan are not similar cultures... I think what you are suggesting they shsre similar Eaatern/Asian philosophies.
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To Joe's point about the different counting systems: it's not as crazy as it sounds at first. Think of it the way we might say a "herd of geese" or a "pack of wild dogs", etc. We *kinda* do a similar thing in English. The Japanese way just isn't intuitive to native English speakers. It is a little weird, but not as insane as it first sounds once you think about how we do similar things in our own language. We kind of have different ways of counting different types of things, too.
My Japanese is *VERY* rusty, and I only ever got up a few hundred kanji, the syllabaries (hiragana, katakana) and maybe a few thousand words of vocabulary - so maybe a grade or two higher than Joe is enrolled in at the moment. I could ask people for directions, ask how much things cost, ask people if I could take their picture, and very basic conversation.
John speaks over Joe. He's volume drowns out a lot of the conversion.
Japan or East Asian countries in general are not so good at innovating things, but perfecting things, continuing minor tweaking endlessly.
As for BEVs, I think Chinese car manufactures are gonna perfect them.
You cannot expect Toyota for producing competing BEVs, it's like asking an veteran swordsmith to start producing guns.
You should have asked Joe if he thought Toyota could be successful in developing EV’s
I wonder what Joe would think if he was Japanese or was raised abroad and came to the US and encountered its social and educational system, if he'd have the same thoughts about the baggage that gets carried over from generation to generation. How much does using the reiwa for years, especially when it's not used as much in daily life and when working with foreign companies, matter? And the nuances of each language?
Learning English and coming to the US, the amount of inefficiencies and non-sensual things that get taught and carried over is crazy. It's funny to me that US schools have spelling bees. There are no spelling bees in many countries because most of the time, words are spelled as they should be. Yet, English speaking countries not only not seem to care, they actively perpetuate the spelling and grammar system, and let's not get into the discrimination that comes with it. To his credit, Joe recognises that it's in his country too, but I wonder if his culture shock is leading to him to look a lot at the differences and latch on to those vs looking into how he might have reacted had he switched roles.
The nuances of each language are wrapped up in history and culture of each nation. I’ll agree that the imperial calendar isn’t that big of a deal, especially since it really isn’t used in daily life and one will eventually get the hang of the counters. Learning kanji devours an absurd amount of time for students, but without it… a page of just hiragana can be a bit tough to read. Kanji help to breakup words (spaces aren’t used in Japanese) and add a certain flavor to the text.
Call it morals. We outlawed morals in the US.
Good point. Same in UK they get in the way of politics, power and money.
The Japanese really value their racial homogeneity. People of Korean ancestry, who were born in Japan, and even with grandparents and great grandparents who were born in Japan, who speak Japanese as their first language, and do not speak Korean at all, are not integrated into Japanese society. Japan has a very restrictive immigration policy, despite their long recognized population decline.
For these and many other reasons, Tesla could not have happened in Japan. Elon could not have “happened” in Japan.
A thousand changes in 69 days? I'm pretty sure it was only 420 changes in 69 days.
Elon Musk would move SpaceX to Beliez or some such if he couldn't push rope fast enough.
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Seems like a bromance is developing! Lol.
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Teachers are not telling unusual kids to kill themselves...
Time is Babylonian. and Ten Penny nails, anyone?
Finally a fair representation of Toyota and Japan. I get so sick of the Tesla fan boy mentality that fails to take the blinders off, step back, and look at the bigger picture. What happens at Toyota is what happens in Japan. Japan is going to take care of Japan first. This is one reason why Hydrogen is a high priority. They see producing Hydrogen as a better option to importing oil and gas. They also see Hydrogen as a potential export. Toyota is patiently waiting for their solid state battery technology, before going all in on their global EV offerings. They see it as a way to leap frog their position in the EV market and they are willing to wait for it. People should connect the dots when Japan says they can't produce enough electricity to support a 100 percent transition to BEVs...enter hybrids AND Hydrogen.