I'd say you nailed it. I have used these for decades and in my experience Victorinox steel is incredibly soft and even the original grind will dull quickly against wood. However, its incredibly rust resistant, they do strop right back up and they take a really sharp edge. As I find these tools are best used for personal grooming and light tasks, a thinner edge should work well. I have often shaved with mine when I'm working away from home.
The kimjo I use mine for spoon carving. And cleaning rabbits I caught for food so they were good if you knows how to sharpen them I use diamond sharpners by DMT paddle stones then finished blade on my strop with stropping compound called smurf poo 🐾🐺👍
The lower dps edges are great for what most people do with pocket knives. When I get a cheap knife, I practice free hand sharpening and take the angle way back. Mostly 440c, 8cr and Sandvik. Much better slicers and no rolling, but the hardest use has been cardboard cutting. I end up with a convex edge though because I can’t control my angle precisely. Great series!
I have an Ottermesser Anchor knife which has a simple stainless steel. It's sharpened to 15 degrees per side and while it slices really well it isn't the greatest performer in the long run. But it strops back SO easily! Stropping it back to sharp definitely is a thing.
I think those edges could stand up to wood! My thought is, if a scandi-ground Mora Companion with 11.5 degree bevels can work wood effectively, then likely other knives can survive it too. Granted, there’s a lot more steel behind the edge of a scandi-ground knife, so I could very well be wrong!
One steel I'd be very interested to see tested is CTS XHP. That steel has some very interesting characteristics. It's kinda like if you took D2, made it stainless and shrunk the carbides down a bit. It's still not a fine carbide steel but with CPM technology XHP is definitely fine enough to bring down edge angles and it's also much higher hardness than your S30Vs and your S35VNs and the other midrange supersteels. I think it's probably the strongest contender out of the middle of the pack super steels for an unleashed to the max test.
Good one. Victorinox might just be the knife that we've all had at one time , or another. So it's a good one to have in the comparison list. As a boy, I learned early that it's nice to have a 2nd blade on a Swiss Army knife. That first one gets dull quickly(I think)....and sharpens quickly.
True that Chandler Hermansen. I like 20 degrees ps on mine. I like to play with my Opinels though. Many years ago I had a No8 that could take a superfine edge. Back then I knew nothing of edges and knife steels. All I knew was that the knife was awesome with a fine barber's razor edge. Of course, after 15-20 years it ended up with a recurve. Then I snapped the tip and it was like the life left the blade. Could never get it as sharp. Actually, after reshaping it looked like the Opinel 'safety/beginner' Opinel.
Strapped in, popcorn ready and eyes open. Here we go!!!! Also how much icy hot are you applying to your hands after these test? Do they have that in australia... hmmm
Is that like a blister relief, or hot spot relief type ointment Jack? I'd rub Eucalyptus or Tea Tree oil, or Goanna or even Paw-Paw (Papaya) ointment into my hands. But then again, we Aussies don't have time to worry about hand-care. Blister borne Callouses are a sign of man-hood dude. But yeah, Pete certainly sacrifices for the team. Poor bugger. Now, get back to the Sisal you steel-testing minion!
Brad Griffin icy hot is an ointment that you put on your skin and it had menthol in it so it makes you feel cool but after a bit, it feels really warm. Makes sore muscles feel really good but doesn’t really have a medical benefit
The sisal rope shortage continues to plague Australia. Good job, Pete! Having owned several Grips in 154CM I’ve noticed significant (albeit never measured) variations in edge retention among them. Wonder if you’d consider doing some testing of multiples within a brand & model. You know - in your spare time... Ha! Keep up the good work, my friend.
The sisal rope industry is now booming in australia bringing jobs and money into local economys and well as establishing itself as the go to knife cutting medium as knife channels stock up on it creating more demand... Not all heros wear capes
oozy9, I'm wondering if that's what is happening to my rather newly purchased RAT One in D2. I had it super, sharp, and it seems way too quickly dulled. Am still figuring it out.
ooh 90 cuts. I was off but it looks like it blunted by edge rolling so I think I was spot on that. I think the victorinox might be capable of more cuts by adding 1 to 0.5 degree per side to combat the rolling.
I know this is an older video, but is there any information on if Victorinox has altered their steel formulas at all in recent years? Is a new SAW going to differ in any significant way from an older sku?
bp69 yeah its soft and quite low carbon, but its mainly this way so it can be collected and sit on shelves (shop or home) for years without issues I guess
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors yeah it does so that great recently found a victorinox hunter in my basement that had been there for like 2 years and no rust or corrosion what so ever
This is a thoroughly helpful review and test. With that said, I don't intend to be mean, but that background music is loud and a bit irritating, especially when listening to your video through headphones.
Christian Williams im generally keeping this to cheaper knives for now, or at least EDC blades. It would remove so much stock from an esee it would be detrimental to that particular knifes value as a rugged tool!
I'd say you nailed it. I have used these for decades and in my experience Victorinox steel is incredibly soft and even the original grind will dull quickly against wood. However, its incredibly rust resistant, they do strop right back up and they take a really sharp edge. As I find these tools are best used for personal grooming and light tasks, a thinner edge should work well. I have often shaved with mine when I'm working away from home.
The kimjo I use mine for spoon carving. And cleaning rabbits I caught for food so they were good if you knows how to sharpen them I use diamond sharpners by DMT paddle stones then finished blade on my strop with stropping compound called smurf poo 🐾🐺👍
Yeah grooming is a thing but I found the victorinox to be very useful in whatever situation
I shave with mine too. Put a thin bevel on my small blade to get those whiskers.
Opinels steel next!
Carbon AND stainless I hope ? 👍
Looking forward to that. I'd like to see the Mora laminated Carbon steel too. But then, you can't really get sharper on a Scandi grind, can you?
I like the stainless opinel that LL Bean sells made of reclaimed wood from Moosehead Lake. Although my favorite opinel are the carbon steel.
Any chance of seeing macro shots of your edge in these videos? I'd be interested to see bevel width, etc...
Just reground one of my recent preowned Victorinox acquisitions. Thinned the primary grind, not just the edge grind.
Pete you are the gift that keeps on giving thanks for sticking with it love your new direction 👍👍👍
The lower dps edges are great for what most people do with pocket knives. When I get a cheap knife, I practice free hand sharpening and take the angle way back. Mostly 440c, 8cr and Sandvik. Much better slicers and no rolling, but the hardest use has been cardboard cutting. I end up with a convex edge though because I can’t control my angle precisely. Great series!
It would be cool to see you try a butter knife next
Then you should try 420HC
I predict 45 cuts.from the butter knife. Lol
I really like the new edge testing videos! The intro to the edge testing is awesome!
Excellent! Thanks for the test Pete! Now I'll try it on diamonds. After I buy that knife sharpener. And learn how to use it. And find some diamonds.
I love these videos! You are helping all of us steel nerds and professional sharpeners!
I love this series!
I have an Ottermesser Anchor knife which has a simple stainless steel. It's sharpened to 15 degrees per side and while it slices really well it isn't the greatest performer in the long run. But it strops back SO easily! Stropping it back to sharp definitely is a thing.
You should try batoning it through some of that infamous Australian hard wood with that thin edge 😂😂
I think those edges could stand up to wood! My thought is, if a scandi-ground Mora Companion with 11.5 degree bevels can work wood effectively, then likely other knives can survive it too. Granted, there’s a lot more steel behind the edge of a scandi-ground knife, so I could very well be wrong!
You gotta baton at least one of these lol. Thanks again Pete
One steel I'd be very interested to see tested is CTS XHP. That steel has some very interesting characteristics. It's kinda like if you took D2, made it stainless and shrunk the carbides down a bit. It's still not a fine carbide steel but with CPM technology XHP is definitely fine enough to bring down edge angles and it's also much higher hardness than your S30Vs and your S35VNs and the other midrange supersteels. I think it's probably the strongest contender out of the middle of the pack super steels for an unleashed to the max test.
S35VN is probably a close second in the midlevel super class of steels.
Yes cold steels xhp is very stable at thin angles. I too want to know how it does.
Really appreciating this series of tests Pete, I think the sharpening jig is going to get used at a much finer angle on most of my knives.
Good one. Victorinox might just be the knife that we've all had at one time , or another. So it's a good one to have in the comparison list. As a boy, I learned early that it's nice to have a 2nd blade on a Swiss Army knife. That first one gets dull quickly(I think)....and sharpens quickly.
Like you were saying a while back about VG10 - just give it a little touching up and you'll keep it going for a good while. ifyouknowwhatimean
Is victorinox steel tough ? I know it’s corrosion resistance very good 👍🏻, and it seems to be tough to me , but I’m no expert
These results are amazing. Thanks for the effort.
I believe this is what the kids these days refer to as dank and on fleek.
The min to the max!
I did not expect to hear both Dragonforce and Chrono Trigger music in the same video 😅
Great work. loved the animation! you are consistently out doing yourself
Please bring this series back!
To the Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxx...Yes, a keen edge works well but as you said, ya gotta be careful with them, especially with the softer stuff.
Brad Griffin on my hard use knives I use about a 20dps edge, however on my fancier ones, I'm fine with having a 13ish degree edge
True that Chandler Hermansen. I like 20 degrees ps on mine. I like to play with my Opinels though. Many years ago I had a No8 that could take a superfine edge. Back then I knew nothing of edges and knife steels. All I knew was that the knife was awesome with a fine barber's razor edge. Of course, after 15-20 years it ended up with a recurve. Then I snapped the tip and it was like the life left the blade. Could never get it as sharp. Actually, after reshaping it looked like the Opinel 'safety/beginner' Opinel.
Sick Chrono Trigger remix!
RIP. Cliff Stamp,,,,
My hero,,,,,
12°... madman. So hey, word is Victorianox has gone with Sandvik. I'm assuming 12C27™. Pretty badass.
that would be a great move!
Yeah if you look up Victorinox in Wikipedia they're the ones saying it's Sandvik steel now
Strapped in, popcorn ready and eyes open. Here we go!!!!
Also how much icy hot are you applying to your hands after these test? Do they have that in australia... hmmm
Is that like a blister relief, or hot spot relief type ointment Jack? I'd rub Eucalyptus or Tea Tree oil, or Goanna or even Paw-Paw (Papaya) ointment into my hands. But then again, we Aussies don't have time to worry about hand-care. Blister borne Callouses are a sign of man-hood dude. But yeah, Pete certainly sacrifices for the team. Poor bugger. Now, get back to the Sisal you steel-testing minion!
Brad Griffin icy hot is an ointment that you put on your skin and it had menthol in it so it makes you feel cool but after a bit, it feels really warm. Makes sore muscles feel really good but doesn’t really have a medical benefit
Ah yes, like Deep heat and goanna Oil over here. I thought it might be.
Brad Griffin yes, jeremy up there pretty much hit it on the head.
Before actually watching I'm guessing 65
poacher 1979 i guessed five. Impressed me haha
Where's the song at 3:16 from? Seems very familiar. Is it a Final Fantasy or Street Fighter?
Chrono Trigger!
So many videos! It's not a bad thing though since I think this channel might be the best knife channel.
2011 "Victorinox Tinker "Rosta Frei" Rope Cutting/Edge Retention Test" ..
Lmao what is that intro 😂😂😂 I love it
The sisal rope shortage continues to plague Australia. Good job, Pete!
Having owned several Grips in 154CM I’ve noticed significant (albeit never measured) variations in edge retention among them. Wonder if you’d consider doing some testing of multiples within a brand & model. You know - in your spare time...
Ha! Keep up the good work, my friend.
ogenmatic 154cm takes an stubborn and very small burr if you don't know how to look for it and clean it off, there's most likely your issue.
The sisal rope industry is now booming in australia bringing jobs and money into local economys and well as establishing itself as the go to knife cutting medium as knife channels stock up on it creating more demand...
Not all heros wear capes
oozy9, I'm wondering if that's what is happening to my rather newly purchased RAT One in D2. I had it super, sharp, and it seems way too quickly dulled. Am still figuring it out.
Whats the intro song?!?!? Im grooving
I'm guessing the Victorinox will get 50 cuts and roll really quickly because it's just too soft. Let's see how my prediction holds today.
ooh 90 cuts. I was off but it looks like it blunted by edge rolling so I think I was spot on that. I think the victorinox might be capable of more cuts by adding 1 to 0.5 degree per side to combat the rolling.
I would like to see Gerber BG ultimate pro edge retention result.
Thanks for wonderful channel
I know this is an older video, but is there any information on if Victorinox has altered their steel formulas at all in recent years? Is a new SAW going to differ in any significant way from an older sku?
I honestly thought it would go for about 60 to 70 better then I thought but still bad
bp69 yeah its soft and quite low carbon, but its mainly this way so it can be collected and sit on shelves (shop or home) for years without issues I guess
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors yeah it does so that great recently found a victorinox hunter in my basement that had been there for like 2 years and no rust or corrosion what so ever
Which kind of steel would be in your opinion better for a swissarmy knife ?
What would you recommend ?
I’m not Pete but I’d personally love vg-10
cpm154 could be a perfect choice
the intro gets me every time xD dragonforce much?
I like a lot the new series
Oooof........... one tenth of the high end stainless steels
No surprises there for me, but some microscope pics would've been extra nice. Thumbs up and subscribed!
Its very late rn and 2:39 scared the SHIT out of me...
Youre a diamond!
One of the Rarer Cases Of Less Is More :-)))
What do you use to get 12 degree edges can’t use Lanskey
Tormek T4
a rainbow road cover from mario kart ?
Nice!
T'es québécois ? Sinon , vraiment bonne vidéo !
This is a thoroughly helpful review and test. With that said, I don't intend to be mean, but that background music is loud and a bit irritating, especially when listening to your video through headphones.
Love sak
Lol do a Z-Hunter UNLEASHED TO THE MAX
The American accent kills me every time.
What American accent hes Australian
Some self interest here but any chance of you doing this with the Esee 4hm (1095)?
Christian Williams im generally keeping this to cheaper knives for now, or at least EDC blades. It would remove so much stock from an esee it would be detrimental to that particular knifes value as a rugged tool!
Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors
Exactly why I am unwilling to do it myself. Well looks like that will remain hypothetical!
Christian Williams he did do the "max" test to 1095 the other day. It was on a GEC #71
Each company heat treats their blades differently and I'm curious to see how esee's soft heat treat would perform.
Christian Williams im aware that all companies heat treat different but it would give you an idea.
And ive heard GEC does a pretty soft hear treat.
More chrono trigger music!