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@Growling Sidewinder. I knew you were going to get eaten pitting the Hornet against the S-400. The S-400 isn't just a SAM system, it's a If I can see you, I will kill you system. The key to victory over an S-400 is to not get spotted by the S-400. Even with the Raptor, I was worried about the S-400 picking you up as you got closer to it. But in the end, you win the day. Awesome video.
You did very will with an Apache but the F18 was shot down. Help me understand why. Did mountain cover really make that big is a difference??? Also I love drinking a beer and watching a bunch of these on Friday night!
I've heard of all the different types of missiles. Surface to air, air to air, air to surface, anti-ship and even surface to surface. Not seen an air to train missile before. Always something new here.
@@23nemi23 I should have looked that up. I knew Russia had mounted ballistic missiles in special trains and they brought back the armoured train, so I should have checked. Thanks.
It would be interesting to see a similar video with the F-35 since this type of mission is exactly what it was designed for, whereas the F-22 is really more of an air superiority fighter.
This is precisely what the Raptor is meant to do in the early stages of a peer to peer conflict, penetrate protected airspace and kill those threats undetected so that non-stealth platforms can safely enter and the airspace can be controlled.
@@donutperson9027 when the raptor was first introduced it would do this solo. With the f-35 nowadays it would absolutely be a package deal with raptors primarily air to air and 35s air to ground
I agree. On the ground they suddenly realize their situation is WAY worse than they thought just a moment before. Then to see the F22 pop up you realize it owns the place - marauding with total impunity.
@@stephenwilliams6103 I would take off gain some altitude, set autopilot and then punch out assuming that I was going to be splashed any second anyway.
@@hertzwave8001 Imagine, a small single seat recon plane, but it's made so that it's cross section shows up as the size of a battleship. I wonder how a radar based missile would actually work against that.
It would actually be interesting to see what an actual SEAD strike package would do. I seriously doubt that anyone would be trying to solo something like this.
Yeah but on the other side also there would also be a proper IADZ not to mention as soon as radar picks them up there will be interceptor aircrafts taking off
@@unknownuser069 I doubt that you would send just one. While aircraft have become more capable at an individual level, redundancy is invariably a good thing. Yes, you probably no longer need a large strike package (unless you are trying to take on a loft of defenses that exist in depth), unless you are well and truly strapped for assets it would be iffy to send just one.
@@vczs Don’t say that too loud, in real warfare, an S400 rarely comes alone. In Syria, they built a network of S300s, S400s and S500s and it made for a pretty potent defensive screen
In reality, there would definitely be some short range SAMs near S-400 (Pantsir, 90% chances). In ideal circumstances (for air defense) it would be layered and have, in addition to these two, also some medium range system near by... BTW, the thing that hit you in the Hornet looks like R-27...
if this is even remotely accurate, than the F22 is amazing. a huge step up from the 117. really makes you wonder what aircraft are out there that are not public.
@@GM-fh5jp a coordinated attack of low cost munitions launched by stealth aircraft to deplete close range air defense followed by a volley of HARMs or sdbs launched by f35s to attack the s400 radars at the same time.
Size and speed, then the commander decides about the shooting. Birds don't fly that fast. The computer has the characteristics of different objects, if something new appears, it will also be added. I think the F35 has been lit up in Syria more than once.
thats a Simulator based on public info.... my father was a comanding officer of a Patroit system, and even Patriot could detect and fire at stealth back in the 90s
I just give a standing ovation to the developers of this simulator. But in fact, for the S-400 raptors and similar aircraft are not invisible, he finds them perfectly. It was for this reason that the Syrian airspace was completely closed and the air operations of Turkey, Israel and America were carried out only by agreement with the Russians.
I'm thinking my call sign will be "Woozie". It's the only way I can get her to talk to me. "Over G. Over G!!!" I'm like "Nah, Baby. There ain't no over hittin' that spot." Lol
a few questions: didnt you have your radar on? if you did why didnt the s400 see you? why didnt the s400 see you when you opened your weapons bay? why didnt the long wavelength radar track you?
F-22 is just awesome ,we the community should fund some dev to continue with F-22 updates . Lots of classified stuff in it but creativity would bring it close to real .
the equivalent cross section greatly depends on angle, there will be some angles at which the F-22 and any other stealth planes return a lot of radar energy and the pilots will be trained to minimise that with their own classified data. also worth noting that the chaff doesnt have the same doppler shift that the F-22 would bc of movement, so even if the equivalent cross section is larger, it might be perceived as a lower priority target than the smaller area plane which has indicators that its a faster moving plane.
In the last seconds, you turned around…S400 must have seen you. F22 Stealth capability is best from front, I mean if radar hits your front…bottom side is a big mirror for radar waves (sorry for my English). What happened after you turned? 😅
Stealth is important, but not as important as combined arms doctrine. You need stealth, the ability to field multiple platforms, superior intelligence, superior technology, solid communication and ample assets combined with unified strategy and tactics. You approach these exercises as if they were old UFC fights with single entities representing a single traditional martial art as opposed to a modern mma fighter who utilizes seamless transitions between options of attack and defend.
I can see a HARM2 coming. It carries a Harmblade kamikaze drone with a radar seeker in it that is releases within range of the Sx00 system, so if the HARM gets shot down, the tiny little drone still gets through and hits the radar antenna itself, which is all it takes to disable the whole system in the end.
Seems the two missile launches, with the momentary change in RCS with the open doors, would have been enough for the S400 to find the Raptor? But it's over before it has a firing solution I imagine.
That assumes the s400 does an nlaw and predicts the path of the f22 after detection and launches the missile accordingly since it cannot achieve a radar lock for weapons employment. Of course the f22 could have immediately change course to throw off the predictive flight path intercept.
@@sevrent2811 Well, these systems are there to deal with low flying targets trying to avoid radar and infiltrate. Well pantsir is, buk and tor are more medium range.
You should try a Buccaneer against an S400 - when the Buccaneer is at 20 feet above the ground at 540knots. It is most likely inside the ground clutter all the time.
@@themusikpainters6707 Reality is that Ukrainian 40-years old S300 causes enough thread that new Russian Su-57 Felon doesn't even try getting close. And S400 which was designed with stealth airplanes on their mind. Even considering that F-22 has far better stealth than Su-57. I think F-22 might be pretty invisible to small airplane radars because it uses typically 11 kW radar power output. But S400 site with power output in hundreds of kW (at least 10x multiplier) and large antennas for higher sensitivity to detect weak signals (10-100x bigger surface) gives you overall multiplier of 100-1000x to detect stealth airplane with lower RCS. Just pure physics. You would need RCS divider much higher than this stationary radar multiplier ratio to stay undetected by the SAM site. Also signal strength increase with power of two so at half range radar has 4x stronger signal. This probably explains why even old S300 is still very dangerous to any stealth today. However for airplane to airplane engagement the stealth makes huge difference - and that's why it makes sense to invest into it. Another thing is UHF, L-band and X-band radars. Stealth aircraft has different RCS for each band. This IMHO comes into play with S400. Any modern SAM site is no-go zone without proper SEAD mission. Flying F-22 somehow 10 km close to S400 and being undetected is very unlikely. So you were right DCS simply lacks some proper data for S400 vs. F-22 engagement.
@@arm-power I don’t think we know nearly enough about SU-57s OR their engagements with S-300s for that to be a valid argument. Especially since the SU-57s stealth isn’t great, especially compared to the F22.
@@andrewrogers3067 As I said the stealth is useful only against other airplanes (weak onboard radar). F-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia because it flew an identical path twice (they broke safety rule). Yugoslavian SAM unit moved to last path in case US air force will make a mistake. And they did. Pretty old and obsolete SAM unit S-75 Dvina (far from S200 or S300 or S400 or S500) activated their radar and thanks to high power and large antenna and close range they were able to lock and shot down stealth F-117. Do not believe it was detected because of open bomb bay for few seconds - semi-active guided SAM rockets need to "see" target all the time during approach (much longer than few seconds) . Russian air-planes are not stealth because they are designed for defensive purposes to operate under SAM cover (and SAM can detect stealth planes easy). That's why Su-57 doesn't need to be focused to stealth. Of course this means Su-57 is poor for attacking purpose in compare to F-22.
If they need a S400 missile for every Harm... swarm them with Harms. They are cheaper! Hell, lets build cheap decoy Harms to make up the majority of the swarm.
Not really...true publicized RCS of the F-22 is not true...If Yugo managed to bring down F-117, then F-22 true RCS may differ depending on which aspect, altitude etc... RCS signatures isn't modelled well in DCS...
@@jojyrocks The Serbs never had a radar lock though. This kill was possible thanks to horrible mission planing (using the same flight paths over and over...). The Serbs were able to predict the flight path and just fired the missile straight up into the air because they knew where the F-117 was going to be. Brilliant piece of air defense.
Hornet: "Magnum!" (KIA) Everybody gangsta till the Raptor joins the battle Raptor: "what is Magnum?... Fox3" Flanker-E: "Hey gimme some cover!!" Triumf: "Yeah i mean... Where?!!"
Btw this is an ez scenario , real scenario would be a nightmare even for the s300... cause it would never work alone... there would be defenetly medium and close range sites too to defend against lower attitide... so when you try to go lower you will face a buk site or sam6 , when trying lower you will face shilka , beside of course you are going to face mig29 s and su35 s , so it is very hard... one only thing you can do , is to stay stealth as much as you can and if you are lucky enough you can destroy the site but i say there would be maybe 20 percent to return alive...
I'd love to see a combined Raptor/Viper combo where the F22 sneaks in just like this while SEAD Vipers do their thing against SAM sites.. I think that or a Russian counterpart would be nice to see unfold
Get some of your buddies together and do a SEAD mission with the F35. Do something that is a likely scenario between the US Air Force(or Navy) and Russian air defenses. Due to the global tensions I think it would be a popular video.
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Thank you for watching as always guys and please keep in mind the F-22 and the S400 are simply mods based on publicly available info and therefore don't fully represent the true capabilities of either platform but its the best we have to simulate this kind of thing right now. Link to download S400 mod is in the video description.
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Love your vids!
Try mig29 over Serbia during NATO offesive in 1999, against f16 or f15
@Growling Sidewinder. I knew you were going to get eaten pitting the Hornet against the S-400. The S-400 isn't just a SAM system, it's a If I can see you, I will kill you system. The key to victory over an S-400 is to not get spotted by the S-400.
Even with the Raptor, I was worried about the S-400 picking you up as you got closer to it.
But in the end, you win the day. Awesome video.
You did very will with an Apache but the F18 was shot down. Help me understand why. Did mountain cover really make that big is a difference??? Also I love drinking a beer and watching a bunch of these on Friday night!
I've heard of all the different types of missiles. Surface to air, air to air, air to surface, anti-ship and even surface to surface. Not seen an air to train missile before. Always something new here.
Ever heard train to air missile,train to ship missile.
If it exists, there’s a missile for it lol
@@23nemi23 I should have looked that up. I knew Russia had mounted ballistic missiles in special trains and they brought back the armoured train, so I should have checked. Thanks.
@@longjohnpilsners7750 So true
Would still be an air to ground logically 🤔
Would like to see 2-3 F-35s using their networked, long-range sensors directing SEAD assets toward S-400.
what is SEAD
Suppression of enemy air defence
Check HypOps channel, he's got exactly what you're hoping for
@@jacobedmunds8609 I prefer DEAD more than SEAD. a destroyed air defense site is a good air defense site in my book.
Same here, be pretty cool to see an F-15x bomb truck launching the missiles
Would love to see some kind of larger scale SEAD with several SAMs and attackers
Bro, f-35s with those new aargm-ers would tear the s-400 a new @$$hole
@@quinndenver4075 that's the theory anyway
Yeah check out HypOps's (Hypothetical Operations) videos he has one about SEAD with and without the newest US stuff
@@quinndenver4075 it absolutely did in a simulation by HypOps (Hypothetical Operations), great channel, check him out
It would be interesting to see a similar video with the F-35 since this type of mission is exactly what it was designed for, whereas the F-22 is really more of an air superiority fighter.
This is precisely what the Raptor is meant to do in the early stages of a peer to peer conflict, penetrate protected airspace and kill those threats undetected so that non-stealth platforms can safely enter and the airspace can be controlled.
I would argue that the f-35 is more suited for that role, while the f-22 is meant for air to air combat.
@@donutperson9027 Absolutely, it seems to be rarely talked about, but the F-35 is directly taking over the F-117 duties.
@@donutperson9027 when the raptor was first introduced it would do this solo. With the f-35 nowadays it would absolutely be a package deal with raptors primarily air to air and 35s air to ground
@@y2kcobrar I mean I guess, raptors have always been a mainly air to air wit the f-35 being mostly air to ground.
@@donutperson9027 that is what the F-35 was designed for!
Imagine how disheartening it would be to see your two Alert Fighters scramble and get splashed over the end of the runway apron...
I agree. On the ground they suddenly realize their situation is WAY worse than they thought just a moment before. Then to see the F22 pop up you realize it owns the place - marauding with total impunity.
If I know that there was an F22 RAPTOR 🤔, in the sky on the hunt😬, I would not take off😁. I would tell control that I left my keys at home🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🇬🇧
@@stephenwilliams6103 I would take off gain some altitude, set autopilot and then punch out assuming that I was going to be splashed any second anyway.
@@stephenwilliams6103 may as well eject on the ground when they pass you the spares
You should take some Russian aircraft against the Patriot site. I think that would be a cool video :)
It should be easy, patriots dont have a 360° protection arch, anyone approaching blind side is a sure kill
@@hiteshadhikari L
@@hiteshadhikari the sites are set up with 360 degree protection for peer conflicts.
That would be easy, the patriot will just shoot down its friendlies for you
@@hiteshadhikari nah
Having the radar cross section of a BB is pretty handy.
i almost thought you meant battleship
@@hertzwave8001 🤣
thats only on a perfect angle tho that RCS they tell you is in RL way bigger on any plane
@@hertzwave8001 Imagine, a small single seat recon plane, but it's made so that it's cross section shows up as the size of a battleship.
I wonder how a radar based missile would actually work against that.
@@volatile100 I don't think there is anyway to increase your radar cross section to more than the surface area of the plane
It would actually be interesting to see what an actual SEAD strike package would do. I seriously doubt that anyone would be trying to solo something like this.
Teamwork makes the dream work. Decoys, electronic warfare aircraft, wild weasels, and cruise missiles would be a potent combo.
A proper modern SEAD strike including F-35s would wipe the floor with anything.
Yeah but on the other side also there would also be a proper IADZ not to mention as soon as radar picks them up there will be interceptor aircrafts taking off
@@unknownuser069 I doubt that you would send just one. While aircraft have become more capable at an individual level, redundancy is invariably a good thing.
Yes, you probably no longer need a large strike package (unless you are trying to take on a loft of defenses that exist in depth), unless you are well and truly strapped for assets it would be iffy to send just one.
@@vczs Don’t say that too loud, in real warfare, an S400 rarely comes alone. In Syria, they built a network of S300s, S400s and S500s and it made for a pretty potent defensive screen
GS: Everything is fine. S-400: and I took that personally.
Whenever he says everything is fine that's when you know it's about to go black.
If you watch enough GS, you know to cringe when he says everything is fine, we don't need to panic.
The S-400 didn't hit him. The Su-35s got him with an ET. His RWR was totally silent, and in the replay the missile clearly looks like an R-27
In reality, there would definitely be some short range SAMs near S-400 (Pantsir, 90% chances). In ideal circumstances (for air defense) it would be layered and have, in addition to these two, also some medium range system near by...
BTW, the thing that hit you in the Hornet looks like R-27...
Yup it was probably one of the su35s
Они никогда этого не признают, братан
The cut scene at the end I expected to see a bunch of guys hanging outside the S400 systems smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee.
They'd be drinking vodka, wouldn't they?
It must be utterly terrifying to have an F-22 show up on your RWR, especially at night.
@SHASHWAT SINGH yeah they’d be playing in the Russian’s favor
@SHASHWAT SINGH IRST systems function the same whether is daytime or night.
that's the best part, it doesn't show up on RWR (unless it's super close, in which case it's either not coming for you or you're already dead)
@SHASHWAT SINGH I use a thermal sight to hunt coyotes and wild pigs. The image looks the same, day or night.
@@DeeSnow97 rwr is not radar, if f22 turns on radar, it would show up until its on tws mode
Here quicker than Jester bailing out 2 days in a row
Lol
if this is even remotely accurate, than the F22 is amazing. a huge step up from the 117. really makes you wonder what aircraft are out there that are not public.
once the f35 stealth and sensor package gets updated in DCS I'd love to see some first strike missions
Seems like popping a HARM on the S-400 would still make sense if you can get that close...
I'm reliably informed (by GS) that F22 doesn't carry HARMS so...no attack...only the Hornet had them.
@@GM-fh5jp a coordinated attack of low cost munitions launched by stealth aircraft to deplete close range air defense followed by a volley of HARMs or sdbs launched by f35s to attack the s400 radars at the same time.
@@kdaltex volley of harm will be detected by TOR PNTSIR BUK OSA tunaska
@@MICLakVER thats why you send cheap missiles to absorb thr blows. When missile magazines are depleted then you send in the harm missiles
When it comes to fighting air defenses and SAMs, there’s a good saying… “ go up to blow up”. Either stealth or stay as low as possible.
So theoretically the Hornet could have accomplished the mission too
Low altitudes MANPADS : I'm about to ground hog day this bitch at low altitude 😂
@@davidsmith8997 I don't know why but I feel the S-400 is gonna be able to track even if you are terrain hugging
Stay low to go home
Would love to see you do this mission with all the different jets. Would be a great comparison video.
S-400 Operator: "Another small bird..."
F22: **doing F22 things**
Size and speed, then the commander decides about the shooting.
Birds don't fly that fast. The computer has the characteristics of different objects, if something new appears, it will also be added. I think the F35 has been lit up in Syria more than once.
The fact that the Raptor can kick the enemies front door in and steal it's wife and dog without them knowing is absolutely insane.
Shh! They're called "Ukrainian MIG 29s". Definitely no American stealth fighters in Europe right now. Definitely not. :)
That wording was just brilliant! :D
Meanwhile, all the orcs are able to do is loot washing machines... ^^
thats a Simulator based on public info.... my father was a comanding officer of a Patroit system, and even Patriot could detect and fire at stealth back in the 90s
@@justagermanpassingby.5077 Stealth in the 90’s and stealth today are two different things.
@@208SledHead agreed, but various sensors aren't effected by steath
I just give a standing ovation to the developers of this simulator. But in fact, for the S-400 raptors and similar aircraft are not invisible, he finds them perfectly. It was for this reason that the Syrian airspace was completely closed and the air operations of Turkey, Israel and America were carried out only by agreement with the Russians.
Correct, S-500 said to be able to destroy any cloaked craft in existence. Most ballistic missile too I believe
They are american fan boy of steath they will hurt by reality so they play DCS to remove stress
Didn't MI-24 just sneaked the S-400 in Belgorod ?
@@gaiofattos2 Yea mi-24 did. I dont think any sam system in the world learn how to scan low flying heli through the hills yet =)
@@stbessonov Maybe they could put the SAM system on the hills.
'We all knew it was gonna be difficult in the Hornet, but they shot me down. So now I'm going to hurt their feelings.' - GS 2022
I'm thinking my call sign will be "Woozie". It's the only way I can get her to talk to me. "Over G. Over G!!!"
I'm like "Nah, Baby. There ain't no over hittin' that spot." Lol
I never knew the S 400 could engage and destroy missiles, that’s pretty scary
@@Ariccio123 small = hard to see
On paper it has "no analogs in the world". But in reality. Well lets just say it's Russian.
@@maverick8697 well Americans also exceed stealth capability’s of F-22 and F-35, but those aircraft got locked on by S-400 in Syria on huge distances
@@Head_Coach Any sources on that?
@@maverick8697 It's been a Russian talking point for years, but I haven't seen anyone ever give proof. 99% chance it never happened.
Wish we could get some mods to mimic the jamming capabilities of the growler to get some really spicy content
Train 🚂 conductor: “what the?! Am I back in Chechnya or what?!?” 😰
Everytime you say "ok and "fine" I think "Here comes the whoosh, boom, and black screen.
6:08 i was half expecting you to explode after saying "we're safe" cause thats usually what happens
6:35
GS : Annnnd let's defend !
S300 : HEHEHEHEH TOO LATE
Has anybody made a YF-23 model for DCS? I really want to see how that plane would perform in all these situations!
a few questions:
didnt you have your radar on? if you did why didnt the s400 see you?
why didnt the s400 see you when you opened your weapons bay?
why didnt the long wavelength radar track you?
Also dcs missed one thing,S-400 shoots 2 missile per target 😒
"Our lazer should keep'em off"
-king raptor.
🔥
11:42 you're welcome. Excellent timing on the music!
I woulda loved to see the tac-view for the speed of that S400 smoking your Hornet. That thing hit hard...LOL.
I'd like to see more 2v2 and 4v4 videos, exploring more group Air2Air tactics...BVR into merge, Fox 2 fights, etc. e.g. 4 F22 v 4 SU 57
Su57 seems shit vs f22. Russian tech... And external weapons will make RCS much higher than f22 alone
@@oldfashionedwrx3574 yes, same as Neva vs F117 🤣 Cant believe people still believes in this stealth fairy tales
One thing people need to remember: stealthy does not mean invisible
Well… no shit sherlock
I don't remember any one stating the stealth aircraft were Cloak-capable. Unless I've missed something.
This might be the quickest I've ever clicked on your videos so far, I saw that title and said fuck school this is it😂😂
That last shot of the two kills, and the raptor flying away was super enjoyable!
F-22 is just awesome ,we the community should fund some dev to continue with F-22 updates . Lots of classified stuff in it but creativity would bring it close to real .
It's already the most overpowered plane in dcs..... I think it's already better than the real f22
In the F22 as you approached the target, if you deployed chaff, that should show up (radar cross section) much larger than the F22???
Yes
the equivalent cross section greatly depends on angle, there will be some angles at which the F-22 and any other stealth planes return a lot of radar energy and the pilots will be trained to minimise that with their own classified data.
also worth noting that the chaff doesnt have the same doppler shift that the F-22 would bc of movement, so even if the equivalent cross section is larger, it might be perceived as a lower priority target than the smaller area plane which has indicators that its a faster moving plane.
The Raptor really is in a class of its own.
Would like to see the Growler try
Getting that close to that S-400 site to perform a BDA was just Growling 'keeping up foreign relations'.
I've learned, with this dude, when things seem like they are going smooth.... they arent.
F-22 makes easy work of the target in Top Gun Maverick. Prove that for me my friend and wingman Growler
When that missile hit you I almost shat myself! Things happen very fast.
That final cameral overview was such an nail in the coffin :D
Niiice video. I love when you take one aircraft then attempt with another
Everytime GS says we are fine we are good...-> killed in action
didnt happen here tho....right? happened like a minute later lololol but ya that tends to be my luck
Man, that went from a fight for your life to an absolute cakewalk. F-22 OP, USAF pls nerf.
In the last seconds, you turned around…S400 must have seen you. F22 Stealth capability is best from front, I mean if radar hits your front…bottom side is a big mirror for radar waves (sorry for my English). What happened after you turned? 😅
In DCS, that isn't model. Each plane has a fixed RCS regardless the orientation. It does change based on the configuration though.
If he sees me and cant lock me that is the preferred situation. Let him watch. Lol
Not even 4 Minutes in and added to Favorites!
I love these videos! Could you do a video with the SU-57 and the S400 then try the F 22 with the same conditions later on?
The S-400 operator for 1 second while you open the bay doors to fire: "SIR WE....oh nvm, I think a missile appeared out of nowhere sir."
"Must have been the wind"
cant the s-400 track the missile that was fired? Or was it too late?
@@sirick93 too late I believe.
@@sirick93 too late and it would have had to go further because the missile was not going directly for the s400
I respect you for using the CF-18 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Stealth is important, but not as important as combined arms doctrine. You need stealth, the ability to field multiple platforms, superior intelligence, superior technology, solid communication and ample assets combined with unified strategy and tactics.
You approach these exercises as if they were old UFC fights with single entities representing a single traditional martial art as opposed to a modern mma fighter who utilizes seamless transitions between options of attack and defend.
5:09 that is a massive explosion. That could take out multiple tanks lol
When the 2 SU 35’s realize that they are taking on an F22: *Chuckles I’m in danger
I can see a HARM2 coming. It carries a Harmblade kamikaze drone with a radar seeker in it that is releases within range of the Sx00 system, so if the HARM gets shot down, the tiny little drone still gets through and hits the radar antenna itself, which is all it takes to disable the whole system in the end.
That's an interesting idea
Seems the two missile launches, with the momentary change in RCS with the open doors, would have been enough for the S400 to find the Raptor? But it's over before it has a firing solution I imagine.
That assumes the s400 does an nlaw and predicts the path of the f22 after detection and launches the missile accordingly since it cannot achieve a radar lock for weapons employment. Of course the f22 could have immediately change course to throw off the predictive flight path intercept.
Love tou vids man they are always enjoyable and keep up the work man
Would be nice to see the attack vs layered air defence. S-400 would never be on it's own in reality, at least it should not be :)
pantsir/buk/tor wouldnt do much against an F22 or fighters in general. Those systems would mostly serve to deal with saturation attacks.
@@sevrent2811 Well, these systems are there to deal with low flying targets trying to avoid radar and infiltrate. Well pantsir is, buk and tor are more medium range.
You should try a Buccaneer against an S400 - when the Buccaneer is at 20 feet above the ground at 540knots. It is most likely inside the ground clutter all the time.
This is why the S400 is a surface to air missile that’s super deadly
How do we know that the physics, engineering and overall capabilities of the aircraft vs the AA defenses are accurate?
We don't
To be honest there are only very few people who might know how a real life scenario like this would play out.
@@themusikpainters6707 Reality is that Ukrainian 40-years old S300 causes enough thread that new Russian Su-57 Felon doesn't even try getting close. And S400 which was designed with stealth airplanes on their mind. Even considering that F-22 has far better stealth than Su-57.
I think F-22 might be pretty invisible to small airplane radars because it uses typically 11 kW radar power output. But S400 site with power output in hundreds of kW (at least 10x multiplier) and large antennas for higher sensitivity to detect weak signals (10-100x bigger surface) gives you overall multiplier of 100-1000x to detect stealth airplane with lower RCS. Just pure physics. You would need RCS divider much higher than this stationary radar multiplier ratio to stay undetected by the SAM site. Also signal strength increase with power of two so at half range radar has 4x stronger signal. This probably explains why even old S300 is still very dangerous to any stealth today. However for airplane to airplane engagement the stealth makes huge difference - and that's why it makes sense to invest into it.
Another thing is UHF, L-band and X-band radars. Stealth aircraft has different RCS for each band. This IMHO comes into play with S400. Any modern SAM site is no-go zone without proper SEAD mission. Flying F-22 somehow 10 km close to S400 and being undetected is very unlikely.
So you were right DCS simply lacks some proper data for S400 vs. F-22 engagement.
@@arm-power I don’t think we know nearly enough about SU-57s OR their engagements with S-300s for that to be a valid argument.
Especially since the SU-57s stealth isn’t great, especially compared to the F22.
@@andrewrogers3067 As I said the stealth is useful only against other airplanes (weak onboard radar). F-117 was shot down in Yugoslavia because it flew an identical path twice (they broke safety rule). Yugoslavian SAM unit moved to last path in case US air force will make a mistake. And they did. Pretty old and obsolete SAM unit S-75 Dvina (far from S200 or S300 or S400 or S500) activated their radar and thanks to high power and large antenna and close range they were able to lock and shot down stealth F-117. Do not believe it was detected because of open bomb bay for few seconds - semi-active guided SAM rockets need to "see" target all the time during approach (much longer than few seconds) .
Russian air-planes are not stealth because they are designed for defensive purposes to operate under SAM cover (and SAM can detect stealth planes easy). That's why Su-57 doesn't need to be focused to stealth.
Of course this means Su-57 is poor for attacking purpose in compare to F-22.
Hey GS what settings do you use to make dcs look so good? Maybe a video for it?
Once the F35 gets the block 4 upgrade package it will truly be a beast
I mean I get wanting a challenge, but a single F-18 vs 2 Su-35s and an S-400 site, on flat ground… I mean why not immediately eject after take off?
GS:- No need to Panic.
DCS:- After 10sec Boom, killed in Action.
Me:- Well there was a need to Panic.
Always enjoy the videos, thanks GS
Growlig Sidewinder: Let's takedown that s400 with ou f15 hornet
Growlig Sidewinder: Dies
Growlig Sidewinder: Now you pissed me off!
If they need a S400 missile for every Harm... swarm them with Harms. They are cheaper!
Hell, lets build cheap decoy Harms to make up the majority of the swarm.
I closed my eyes as soon as you said 'We're fine...we're fine...'
You missed the S300 sign?
It said, out to lunch be back in 20 minutes.
That f22 is a flying assassin sneaky
Now this is something I was waiting for a long time 🔥🔥🔥
Right On
DCS graphics are incredible but I would be remiss if I didn't say it: pantographs but no catenary for that train at 5:09! :)
Where can i find the background music? Its amazing!
It would be cool to do the SU-57 vs a patriot battery.
If the S400 can't see the F22, why would the Sukhois take off in the first place?
All hail the mighty F22 🙌
I want an F-22 for my bithday.
so the f-22 can basically chill within 10-15 miles next to the s-400...
Yaa very easily...sadly only in DCS 😅
Not really...true publicized RCS of the F-22 is not true...If Yugo managed to bring down F-117, then F-22 true RCS may differ depending on which aspect, altitude etc...
RCS signatures isn't modelled well in DCS...
@@jojyrocks The Serbs never had a radar lock though. This kill was possible thanks to horrible mission planing (using the same flight paths over and over...). The Serbs were able to predict the flight path and just fired the missile straight up into the air because they knew where the F-117 was going to be. Brilliant piece of air defense.
@@petermaier78 fun fact: the pilot survived and years later met w the soldier who shot him down ( w 30 year old hardware) and they got drunk together
In Hollywood Movies yes But in Reality the F-22 would face the bottom 😂
Would like to see an EA 18 (Growler) with the Hornet.
Can you do Su-57 Felon vs Patriot Network?
Good lord. Absolutely roasted in the Hornet.
Hornet: "Magnum!" (KIA)
Everybody gangsta till the Raptor joins the battle
Raptor: "what is Magnum?... Fox3"
Flanker-E: "Hey gimme some cover!!"
Triumf: "Yeah i mean... Where?!!"
Nice soundtracks for this video! @ 2:49😀 What is it called?
Btw this is an ez scenario , real scenario would be a nightmare even for the s300... cause it would never work alone... there would be defenetly medium and close range sites too to defend against lower attitide... so when you try to go lower you will face a buk site or sam6 , when trying lower you will face shilka , beside of course you are going to face mig29 s and su35 s , so it is very hard... one only thing you can do , is to stay stealth as much as you can and if you are lucky enough you can destroy the site but i say there would be maybe 20 percent to return alive...
operators S-300 and S-400 launch two missiles by one attack
Great vid as always, it's a shame the SU-35 is no longer available for download!
truly unfortunate 😢
why?
I would love to see the tornado ids and f15 strike Eagle go on a strike rayed against s300 /S 400 . With cove from F22s
I'd love to see a combined Raptor/Viper combo where the F22 sneaks in just like this while SEAD Vipers do their thing against SAM sites.. I think that or a Russian counterpart would be nice to see unfold
Raptor goes in, destroys radar array, intercepts fighters, and SEAD Vipers mop up everything else?
@@aznmarty256 that's a possibility.
In the S400 Series , the f35 was accompanied by 700 km . For the Russian air defense, the invisibles are very noticeable.
in vatnik dreams maybe
Get some of your buddies together and do a SEAD mission with the F35. Do something that is a likely scenario between the US Air Force(or Navy) and Russian air defenses. Due to the global tensions I think it would be a popular video.
bro i cant wait till the f15 e comes out