@@MichaelTheophilus906 The bandwagon fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone claims that something is true because many people believe it, regardless of whether it's actually true. It's also known as the appeal to the masses or appeal to common belief.
@@aaronsanchez3141 Have you ever entertained the idea that God has allowed this blasphemy from the Roman State Church to test us? If someone loved the truth they would question it.
@@aaronsanchez3141 Are you suggesting that God doesn't have the power to stop Satan if he wanted to? Is Satan more powerful than God? No! It is just like when the Jews rejected and killed Jesus: Acts 2:23 This man was handed over to you BY GOD’S DELIBERATE PLAN AND FOREKNOWLEDGE; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
I was raised (browbeaten) mindlessly into the Roman Catholic Trinity dogma. Graduating from RC grade school and high school. It just never made sense. I starting reading the bible and what spiritual deliverance and clearer understanding of the scriptures came to me when I saw the light. Jesus is THE Son of God and not part of a three headed idol.
@FredVanAllenRealtor yeah, I'm pretty much tired of Anti-trinitarians, maybe 150 years ago I could understand, but conceptually we got way more difficult Concepts in modern Sci-Fi movies so I have little tolerance for denying the full nature of the godhead
@@ad70preteristwhy are you trinitarians all so mean? Well, it is good we still can see clearly the fruit of this doctrine! Jesus never asked you to believe he is God or part of the trinity, which is man made doctrine. Jesus also warned about judging others, so maybe you should think before judging others to hell, it's anyway not your job! 🙏
@@aussierob7177 "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross." Philippians 2:6 NLT "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." Colossians 2:9 NLT
@@twistedtomato9792 Are you able to understand the Philippians 2:6 passage that you quoted? "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to"? What does that even mean? That Christ did not consider equality with himself something to cling to? The passage began by saying that Christ was God, didn't it? God didn't think of equality with God something to cling to? This should already be setting off alarm bells in your head that something isn't right with the translation. And it isn't.
@@twistedtomato9792 The Greek: "hos en morphe theos hyparcho ou harpagmos hegeomai ho enai isos theos" Uber-literal word-for-word translation: "Who in shape God being not plunder considered the to-be equal God" Literal yet grammatical translation: "Who, (though) being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God (something to be seized as) a prize/plunder". This is a passage about Christ NOT pursuing equality with God despite being in the form of God. And being in the form of God is a commentary on the authority that Christ was given by God. In other words, Christ did not use His God-given authority on the earth to try and force people to honour Him in the same way that they honour God, but rather used that authority to serve others as if He were their servant rather than their Lord.
"The Church doesn't determine what the Bible teaches. The Bible determines what the Church teaches." I wish Trinitarians truly understood this concept, and stopped superimposing the Trinity Doctrine or Theory upon the scriptures and their supporters.
Jesus called Himself God. Revelation 1:8,11,17-18 [8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [11]Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. [17]And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18]I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
@@MainPointMinistries The Father called Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8 [8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@MainPointMinistries Isaiah 9:6 [6]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
@@bobbyadkins6983 Context is important, include the verses before and after... Hebrews 1:5-12 New King James Version The Son Exalted Above Angels 5 For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, Today I have begotten You”? And again: “I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”? 6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.” 7 And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” 8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A [a]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
Yes, I am a classical aramaic reader as well as Assyrian. The spirit is unseen. The holy Spirit is different to spirit the root word. God is Alaha, it is singular in lexicon and grammar. The son is Assyrian not aramaic. The word is ab'd or eb'd in Hebrew, meaning a servant. The son of Maryam is a prophet (Nabi).. The root word ab* is for humans only.. Flesh means human! So the son of Maryam is man sent by God. The aramaic Bible does say that the son of Maryam was "risen".. In aramaic it mean his soul was risen to the heavens.. So he was not killed , but actually saved.. Prophets are sent and recalled.. In the son of Maryam, he will return and then complete his duty to end transgression against the perpetrators who denied him..
The closer the manuscripts were written to Alexandria, the more Trinitarian they were. Remember that the Romans had many gods and they were OK with the Trinitarian viewpoint. They were trying to figure out who Jesus was. The church, overstepped their boundaries and did not listen to anything Jesus said, and came up with their own views of Jesus.
Matthew 28:18 disproves the TRinity Jesus was given authority by his father. If he's given authority, then he isnt co equal, and thus, the trinity falls apart
@@FishermensCornerhonestly Paul's epistles are not the synoptic gospels, we have to take his word that jesus appears to him, while we have the gospels already and the revelation of John. Ironically the roman jevvish, persecuter wanted to preach to gentiles because he knew followers of mosaic law and early messianic jevvs wouldn't trust him. Even Peter said his teachings and writing was hard for people to understand.
@@FishermensCorner Your statement only further solidifies that the Trinity does not work He submitted to his father. Arianism. not trinity, thanks for proving it isnt true
@dlf619 ... yes, because when my hand submits to the will of my brain to type this answer out, it proves that I'm not one person... this is why my tolerance for antitrinitarians is very very low, like I put it with atheism at this point.
Unfortunately many Trinitarians have been taught the tradition ‘the infallible inerrant word of God’. Any mention of textual criticism and they stop listening. They like what it says the way the KJV was translated.
Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD that is my name and my glory I will not share with another" - God John 5:23 " all men should honor the Son even as they honor the Father" - Jesus
@@adamgilliland273 John 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has 👉🏼committed all judgment to the Son👈🏼 Yahusha was GIVEN AUTHORITY to judge. We honor the Son as THE JUDGE. King Solomon prophesied of this in Psalm 72:1-2. G-d will judge the world THROUGH A MAN (Acts 17:31)
There's only one way for the scriptures to have no contradictions, and that's with the truth that's been revealed of the only God worthy of worship, the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I am the LORD; and besides me there is no saviour" Titus 2:13 "looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
@@mrcltmrtIf someone is given authority, he is NOT eternally coequal, nor coequal at all. If someone gives back that authority to God, so that God may be all things to everyone, then by logic neither was he ever God Almighty in the first place.
@@johncena12366 The Father called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8. Hebrews 1:8 [8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Isaiah 9:6 [6]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus called Himself the Almighty in Revelation chapter 1. Revelation 1:8,11,17-18 [8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [11]Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. [17]And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18]I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
John 20:28 [28]And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 1:1-4 [1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2]The same was in the beginning with God. [3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
@@johnnyj.7494Thank you brother, however Jesus was a prophet sent by God, he isn’t God himself. Please research into this more and you’ll see how corrupt the Bible is.
@@sajjadfleih9528The Bible is not corrupt. It never claims that Jesus is God ALMIGHTY. It says he is divine or god-like. Perhaps you need to reread the Bible free of the tainting influence of false Christian doctrine to see Jesus for who he truly is: the promised Messiah. If you accept Jesus as a prophet but not as the Son of God (NOT God the Son), then you brand the prophet you claim to love as a liar and you flagrantly disregard the undeniable fact of the HUNDREDS of eyewitness testimonies from both his disciples and his enemies who testified in and outside of the scriptures (yes, even in other historical documents!) that Jesus admitted he was the Son of God. You can’t call the Bible corrupt simply because it disagrees with your worldview. If you bothered to look at the scholarly assessments of the scriptures in line with the archeological record, you would know the truth, that the Bible record is dependable and accurate, especially because we can rule out any errors through the sheer number of manuscripts that we have. It’s a beautiful and poetic thing, actually. It leaves all who deny its truth unable to defend themselves against it.
i prefer 1Cor 8:6 (KJV) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. is there any version that disagree that their is one god , the father ?
@@bobbyadkins6983 John 20:17 (KJV) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. christ has a father and a god and his father and his god is our father and our god
Honestly, I haven't read too much of it, but in the places I've read it's not too bad, yea the 2001 Translation is pretty good too. As a translator of the REV I'm a little biased haha!
@@fkrsnofficial6095 I have my qualms with the NWT but it does have some very good explanations for their choices in wording in translation and exceptionally thorough scholarship, and I like that it has footnotes for how certain verses could be rendered in different ways too. I appreciate that.
Very good! Is it not possible that the reference to Jesus in the book of Jude is to Joshua the son of Nun? Would like your input, as Jesus is the anglicized Greek form of the Hebrew Yehoshua. Thank you.
@ViralChristianity I thought you were the guy from the video, my mistake. My question was for him at the very beginning and I still would like HIS response. Thank you
Great question, it's theoretically possible that it is referring to Joshua, as it is the same Ἰησοῦς in the Greek for both Joshua (Heb. 4:8) and for Jesus. However, my hesitancy to go with that reading above "Lord," is that Joshua, to my knowledge isn't really credited with bringing "Israel out of Egypt" as it says in Jude 1:5, but with bringing them into the promised land. I think that reading certainly has more credibility than "Jesus" though.
@@biblicalunitarian Thank you for your answer to my question and I understand your view I research the scriptures as I want God's Word. God Bless you in your efforts
@ViralChristianity”Grasping at straws.” 😂 He had scriptural backing while you are relying on mistranslation and bias stemming from false doctrine established by oppressive wolves in the 4th century who relied on vitriolic language to support their narrative. The Apostles said those liars would come into the church and teach twisted things, and Jesus said “by their fruits” we would know the difference between true Christians and false. Athanasius was not a true Christian. His peddling of false doctrines that dishonour both God and Christ were not Christian either if you really knew and admitted to yourself what Jesus said and taught and later revealed through prophecy to John. If you bothered to analyse what even happened at Nicea and read all the scholarly material on it, you’d realise that Athanasius had no solid scriptural basis for his stance whereas Arius did. He had to invent unscriptural language to support his ideas. That alone should set your alarm bells ringing. Unfortunately, by that stage the apostate church had gone against Jesus’ own direction to be no part of the world and had gotten in bed with the Emperor, becoming Babylon the Great and permitted a pagan Emperor to decide “orthodoxy.” I don’t subscribe to the age-old obsession with trinities of gods that both Babylons have replaced the Almighty YHWH with, but you do you.
The New Testament does make it pretty clear that Jesus is the Son of Man, but I’ve heard an interesting hypothesis that perhaps Jesus didn’t actually _know_ he was the Son of Man during his lifetime, and that only after his resurrection did God make him the Son of Man/reveal that to him. Many critical scholars think it’s possible or even likely that Jesus preached about a coming Son of Man who wasn’t himself, so perhaps that’s true. 🤷♂️
@@dalesajdak422 - I have a different explanation. Most are quick to hear 'son of man' and assume a 'complimentary' context. The same goes for 'sons of God - psalm 82 clearly indicates otherwise. With regards to 'a' son of man, it is pointed out in Numbers 23:19, that the 'son of man' needs to repent... and thus a binary 'gate' appears - FOR or AGAINST. We know that the son of man has a quandary with 'faith', and that it requires faith in order to please God. I then found an interesting example in Ezekiel. When Ezekiel is called, the Lord tells him (son of man) to STAND and THEN He would speak with him. It is then the 'spirit' that enters Ezekiel and CAUSES him to stand. And THEN Ezekiel could hear the Lord speaking to him. As such the son of man is a 'thing' as much as a person. It is a thing inside EVERY person. The 'son' of man is our Lord, the 'master' that is within us. This is what the LORD speaks to. Thus when David says (in the spirit as Jesus adds) the Lord is speaking to David's 'son of man' and thus the LORD is giving David instruction on what he would like him to do.
Informative and enjoyed the brief testimony after the breakdown of the passages. Some will dismiss the facts altogether because it’s just too hard to accept our translations could have and/or stem from Trinitarian bias/corruption. It’s much more comforting imagining that JW’s (with their NWT) are the main group guilty of making the Bible conform to a preexistent set of theological beliefs.
Good job, brother!! I say often to Christians, "Your version is your doctrine." Now there is a new bible version for the LGBT people. For those who still believe "Jesus=God," read the Holy Scripture: Mark 12:29-34, John 17:3, 1 Tim 2:6, Eph. 4:6, 1 Cor. 8:6. Be blessed. 🕎🙏
@@WhatisSpite all those verses, the 3 in 1 doctrine must be ‘read into’ them. You would be well advised to listen to your savior when he says that *his Father is the only true God and his God is our God.* Jn 17:3, Jn 20:17
@@MichaelTheophilus906 Don’t skip the first verse: Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, *which God gave him to show to his servants* the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, …
I think Paul said / Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I thought you were going to deal with serious Trinitarian mistranslations, like Revelation 21:22, “But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.” Trinitarians believe that God and Jesus (the Lamb) are separate persons. This explains why they would replace the word IS with the word ARE. Yup! They pluralized the verb IS (God the Lamb is the temple) into ARE (God and the Lamb are the temple). I’m just surprised that they didn’t pluralize the word TEMPLE!
I'm non trinitarian, but i disagree with my biblical Unitarian brethren on one point, their denial ofthe pre-existince of Jesus as the Logos or angel of Yahweh. Yes, trinitarian brethren draw the wrong conclusion from these verses that are used to teach Christ's prehuman life, but to me Jesus coming from heaven and having been with the Father before he came as a man is clearly taught. Both extremes are inconsistent. Just because Jesus existed in heaven first doesnt prove the Trinity, just as the fact that there is no Trinity doesn't prove that he didn't exist previous to his human life. He was a spirit son of Yahweh of the highest order, separate and distinct from Yahweh, created by Yahweh as all other angelic sons were. He didn't exist before he was created, but his creation was heavenly before it was earthly. I think this is crystal clear from Scripture. God bless 🙏
@@JadenTendai I do see in Scripture the clear teaching that Yahweh created Jesus before he became a man and died for us, was raised from the dead and exalted to the divine nature by Yahweh. But for some few years I have wondered whether the Scriptures teach he was Yahweh's first creation, or whether he was the first sentient being, the first son of God created. I'm not 100 percent sure personally. I do feel that Isaiah 44:24 gives room for the thought that Yahweh created some things even before the creation of the Logos (Jesus in heaven) "This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth- Who was with me at that time?- Isaiah 44:24 (I chose the ISV translation for this verse because I think it expresses the thought better, even though others are also good.) Does this mean Yahweh created the earth and heaven etc, before he created Jesus and the angels in heaven? Not sure, but I think it is food for thought. Regardless, we know Jesus was created at some point in heaven before he became a man. The fact that the Trinity is false doesn't disprove his former prehuman existence in heaven. God bless 🙏
Just to be clear, I do believe Jesus was the first son created in heaven, before all the other angelic sons of God, I just am not sure if he was the actual first of ANY creation of God.
The main point of all that was written about Jesus in the Bible is to make hebrews to see WHO was among them. The western people read the Bible way differently from that base of reasoning and messes it all up...
Except Jesus himself didn't think he was the angel of the Lord in the burning bush. When he describes that event in Mark 12:26 he says that "God spoke to him in the burning bush"
Have you responded to Dr Garza's video on how you don't know greek and you don't know what you are talking about? Dr Garza made some crazy statements in that video.
Nope, don't really care to. He didn't care to ask or investigate my knowledge of the languages and just wanted to throw around some ad hominem attacks. He doesn't seem interested in actually getting things right, so I don't think I'll spend time doing that.
@@biblicalunitarian unfortunately he is considered a great source of information for the trinitarians. I would respond to at least some of the nonsense he mentioned about angels in the Old Testament
@@EnHacore1 Idk, I will have to think about it. Our current policy is to not call out people on our channel because often that leads to drama, which is not very Christianly, but I will think about it.
@@biblicalunitarian I would say address his points even if you don't call him out by name. His inference that the Trinity showed up to Abraham is ridiculous.
@@EnHacore1I remember seeing that video of his and nearly spitting out my coffee at how absurd his claim was. Trinitarians will impose the Trinity on ANYTHING that comes in threes.
@@andyontheinternet5777 I believe that he was fully a man, like the scriptures say: "Jesus of Nazareth, a man pointed out to you by God" (Acts 2:22), "One mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim. 2:5). If by "divinity of Jesus" you mean "100% God and 100% man," no I do not believe that. The scriptures never teach it, and it is a pure contradiction. He is never identified as a God-man.
None of this explanation would even be necessary if Christian’s actually ever read the Tanach (“OT”) I mean it literally tells you… Exodus 33:20 “But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” That right there tells me Jesus is NOT god. A question I have is why is literally every Torah scroll around the world exactly the same no matter where you go. Written word for word. But the Christian Bible has soooooooooo many translations and texts added in and taken out? Makes one wonder why anyone would consider Christianity. This verse alone should make one pause. כֹּ֥ה אָמַר֮ יְהוָ֣ה צְבָאוֹת֒ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵ֔מָּה אֲשֶׁ֤ר יַחֲזִ֙יקוּ֙ עֲשָׂרָ֣ה אֲנָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל לְשֹׁנ֣וֹת הַגּוֹיִ֑ם וְֽהֶחֱזִ֡יקוּ בִּכְנַף֩ אִ֨ישׁ יְהוּדִ֜י לֵאמֹ֗ר נֵֽלְכָה֙ עִמָּכֶ֔ם כִּ֥י שָׁמַ֖עְנוּ אֱלֹהִ֥ים עִמָּכֶֽם׃ (ס) Thus said GOD of Hosts: In those days, ten people from nations of every tongue will take hold-they will take hold of every Jew by a corner of their cloak and say, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
The content creator begins with John 1 :18 and explains that there is manuscript evidence for both renderings before giving his opinion on why 'son' should be the best option. However, he didn't fully explain which reading was found in the oldest manuscripts and seemed to see a contradiction in the text with the alternate view which he thought supported the Trinity. Is this a case of his own theological presuppositions getting in the way ? I disagree that the rendering 'only-begotten god' supports Trinitarianism. Indeed, I think the opposite is true as an 'only-begotten god' (Jesus) contrasts with the unbegotten God (YHWH). Indeed, the fact that people saw Jesus and that no man has seen God argues for Jesus being the Christ and not God Almighty. In the Greco-Roman world, someone who had been raised from the dead and exalted to heaven to the right hand of God would indeed be viewed as a god. Howevere, the term 'god' has a range of meanings and is applied to others in the Bible apart from YHWH. who is the ultimate, supreme, true God. Having said that, I think his explanations for the rest of the scriptures are accurate and show how the presuppositions of Trinitarian scholars have influenced their translations.
There were other reasons within the context as to why "only-begotten son" is preferrable. One is that "only-begotten son" occurs three other times in the Johannine literature, but "only-begotten God" never occurs anywhere else. So, I wouldn't say theological presuppositions are driving that choice. Thanks for the comment.
@@biblicalunitarian : I understand why "only -begotten son" may be preferrable for you, but as you stated in the video, the jury is out on this one and "only-begotten god"is , I think, found in the oldest Greek manuscripts. My main point, however, is that "only-begotten god" does not support Trinitarianism.
Not trying to be rude, but oh my goodness, the pronunciation of the Greek words. It’s really bad. God is Theos -pronounced “they-os” with the accent on the last syllable. Son is pronounced “YOS “Yos” not hos.
the son is god, and God is the son, because of many texts both in the old and new testament. To focus in one one line is dishonest. In totallity there is no contridiction, the son is god and God is the sun. in both and old and new testament
We have responses for those verses here - www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses Do you agree with the conclusions in the video? What are your reasons if you disagree?
It’s simple there is a Father and a Son. Yahweh the Father and Yeshua the Messiah. The Son of God. How much more evidence do we have to bring to make a clear distinction between these two people. Trinitarians, ask yourself does believing in a doctrine really depend on my salvation? No it does not on the contrary, it does not grant salvation to believe in a nature of God. Believing that Yahweh raises Yeshua up from the dead and believing that he is the MESSIAH, does grant you salvation. “If someone acknowledges that Yeshua is the Son of God, God remains united with him, and he with God.” 1 Yochanan (1 Jo) 4:15 CJB “Everyone who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah has God as his father, and everyone who loves a father loves his offspring too.” 1 Yochanan (1 Jo) 5:1 CJB
trinitarians have nothing to gain to defend a doctrine that seems complicated. it's not even worth defending if you want to appease the world. the trinity has a unique view on god different from other religions and says god is greater than us for being 3 persons instead of 1. that's something incomprehensible to life-forms lower than god, but still logical, like a 4D cube. unitarians have everything to gain to make sure jesus' words aren't taken as infallible, but as just an opinion lesser than the father. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." - from jesus in revelation you have to actively go against the natural reading already from john 1:1 and literally the rest of the bible say that god, being all powerful, didn't make it clear enough that jesus was not god. this is some nigerian prince scam theology.
@@ChevySamkYou need to go back and reread each passage that uses the title Alpha and Omega. In each context, it is clear that the Father is speaking when applying that title to himself. However, the title of First and Last applies to both the Son and the Father. But the title Alpha and Omega only applies to the Father.
I think John spent enough time with Christ to know and he wrote/ John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Where is the trinity in this statement?
@@marktravis5162 His point was to make clear that without the spoken word of God ("and God said") nothing happens, and that the spoken word was really God speaking and no one else (Ps 33:6,9). And the spoken word of God dwelt among us as a living person. (John 1:14, Heb 1:2).
@@pmac_ God made Adam perfect, but he sinned and died. The Word gave up being a Spirit to become the perfect fleshly man Yahshua, with no sin because "The Father" our God was his Father through His Power. All things are possible by The Father. Php 2:5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Php 2:6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, Php 2:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; Php 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross. Php 2:9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; Php 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth, Php 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. “Yahshua, lived a sinless life and died for our sins so if we will listen to the words of God; which sinful man cannot do with out repentance in prayer and Faith in Yahshua,, our redeemer. This was done so we might live again after death to give Glory to The Father through Yahshua, the Christ.” John 14: 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. 25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Acts 20V28 is correct in the KJV. The issue here is peoples reading level and the use of Pronouns. the pronouns "He and "His" is talking about Jesus, as Jesus is the only Noun mentioned in the previous verses 24 to 28. Notice carefully God is not mentioned as a noun. Even thought the word "GOD" is in the verses it is not talking about God himself but about things of God, like kingdom of God, Church of God, Counsel of God but God himself is not there, so the pronouns "HE" and "HIS" are pointing to Jesus 100% in Acts 20v24 Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. Act 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. Act 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. If you are interested in the pronoun bible let me know, it is a real eye opener.
I conceded all five of his ten points and still believe in the Trinity! Here are a few reasons why: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." "I and the Father are one." "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily." "He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature." "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'" "Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father." "To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." "Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'" "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." "Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped." "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone." "But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me." Don't forget the Old Testament! "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...'" "And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, 'Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?'" "Draw near to me, hear this: From the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there. And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit." "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced..." "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." "Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil...'"
11:37 He's basing it on what Jesus said in John 5:46. "If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me", and I say that's pretty good evidence that he was in fact there.
@@williamstier6445 Moses did write about Jesus. Deuteronomy 18:17-19 And the LORD said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And *I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I COMMAND him.* And whoever will not listen to my words that *he shall speak in my name,* I myself will require it of him. Peter says that is Jesus: Acts 3:21-23 Jesus … whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. Moses said, ‘The LORD God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
So just like the Gnostics, this Unitarian HATES the Preserved word of God in English(KJB) because it doesn't fit his Blasphemous Unitarian Presuppositional view of God?
I don't hate the English "KJB" but rightly understand that it is a translation of an original text in a different language, so the goal is to get to the original meaning, and English translations are just a tool to do that. I genuinely hope you are willing to fairly evaluate evidence against the KJV-only movement, because there is a lot.
In a very real way, the Word, which was with God, and was God, has been made flesh in Jesus Christ. Deny this all you want, but "Christianity" without a divine Jesus is idolatry -- plain and simple.
@@migtvill I think you've missed the entire point of the New Testament. The Jews of old, and the Christians of the new covenant era, didn't/don't worship creatures. We don't worship angels, semi-divine figures, lesser divinities, or human beings. We worship God alone. The Biblical testimony is clear: there is God, and there is everything else. And the gulf between them is infinite. Although the New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus was and is a real human being, it is equally clear that he is much more than a human being. Jesus is not just some highly exalted prophet or "angel." Revelation 5 describes a kind of worship of Jesus that would be idolatrous for a Jew or for a Christian were Jesus not, in some way, fully God while at the same time fully man. I was once a unitarian myself. But I came to see that the Scriptural testimony is absolutely uncompromising in terms of what constitutes true and acceptable worship before God. Christianity is not about human beings or angels saving mankind. It is about the work that GOD has done. Jesus receives divine worship because he is God in the flesh.
@@wordwarrior1974He never suggested or even inferred to worship anyone other than God. In fact, if he is doing this to separate worship away from Jesus, then it's because this issue matters to him and in sincerity, succint and direct to the very point you are saying. To worship only God. You made a point as if a divine thing was only God. You should have been more specific on your first statement. Now, you are making it out to be that he is saying to worship Jesus if he is not God. Which at no point in time did he say. Please refine your arguments or your thinking and I doubt very much you heard him out entirely.
@@wordwarrior1974As far as the text for worship of the Lamb, read Revelations 20, where God concedes His throne to the Lamb for 1000 years. Meaning literal or symbolic, Christ reigns for a limited time.
@@migtvill I take full responsibility for not being clear, if there was anything that I said that was not clear. As I said, I was once a unitarian, so I know the arguments inside and out. I did not mean to imply that this guy is saying to worship Jesus even though (in his view) he is not God. You missed my point entirely. A unitarian may agree with me that only God should be worshipped. And he may claim that the New Testament doesn't present Jesus as God, and therefore Jesus shouldn't be worshipped (at least not "as God"). But the New Testament would disagree. The New Testament DOES present Jesus as God. When you see the patterns of Old Testament passages being applied to Jesus in the NT (numerous examples); recognize that certain Old Testament passages could ONLY be fulfilled by Jesus (for example, Zechariah 14); that language is used in the New Testament indicating that Jesus is God in the flesh; and that Jesus is exalted to a place that is not compatible with monotheism if he were NOT God; then it becomes clear what his true identity is. I invite all unitarians to think on this, pray on it, and above all study Scripture in a translation that has not been compromised. See the TH-cam channel "Truth is Christ" for why the King James has been signed and sealed by God.
1 Timothy 3:16 still teaches Jesus is God even if it reads "He" because the same Greek word for "preached" (kēryssō) is used in Romans 10:8. It is to be "preached" that Jesus is YHWH (Romans 10:13; cf. Joel 3:5LXX)
@@kardiognostesministries8150 But the Greek text that the KJV is translated from does say God. The other versions that say He are translated from corrupted manuscripts.
You really have to play Hebrew and Greek hopscotch to come to the conclusion that there is no Trinity, trinitarianism is a fundamental and foundational underpinning of Christianity. I pray that you revisit and reevaluate your understanding of this critical doctrinal truth.
There was no hopscotch done at all in the video. I tried to let the evidence and context guide which reading to include in the text. This is what all translators should do. As far as being "fundamental" I would disagree. The fundamental understanding that the NT authors are coming from is that God is only the Father. 1 Cor. 8:6 - "For us there is one God, the Father...and one Lord, Jesus Christ," Eph. 4:6 "One God and Father," Rom. 1:7 - "From God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." There are more I could list however, the fundamental understanding of EVERY one of Paul's introductions is that God is the Father, not that God is a Trinity. I am always willing to reevaluate my understanding, I hope you would be too.
@biblicalunitarian I guess the question is , is this merely a heterodoxical difference of opinion, or does it fall into the category of heresy? Is believing or unbelieving the Trinity a sorteriological matter?
@@jasongossage8017 I strongly believe it is a heterodoxical difference of opinion. Firstly, because I believe I was saved as a Trinitarian (knowing my own life and heart) and I believe I am still saved as a Unitarian. But Secondly because it is never described as a soteriological matter. The soteriological thing Paul and the apostles want us to believe about Jesus is that he is "Lord" (Rom. 10:9) and that he died for our sins (Rom. 5:8) and was resurrected (1 Cor. 15:1-4). Whether or not he is God has nothing to do with the saving message, the gospel.
Show me the word trinity in the Bible...show me where the Apostles or our Lord Christ teaches a "being in 3 persons." Your "teaching" is man-made religious dogma created by the Council of Nicea, which came 3 centuries after Christ's death. These so-called "religious scholars" created their own teachings and stayed away from the Truth.
We believe that "there is one God, the Father" (1 Cor. 8:6), to say that we deny the God of scripture is a pretty outlandish charge. My God is explicitly defined in scripture. Can you find the Trinity explicitly defined in scripture?
@@biblicalunitarian you forgot the rest of the verse. That is the difference between a Christian and a Unitarian. We affirm Scripture tota. Satan quotes Scripture as you teach omitting context and full verses. You claim to be a “Biblical” Unitarian let us test that theory. Isaiah chapter 6 speaks of Isaiah vision of the YHWH sitting upon His throne, seraphim saying Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of His glory! YHWH (us v8) has a message for Isaish to give to Israel/Judah verses 8-13. John 12 the Apostle says Jesus is whom Isaish saw (verses 37-43). You would do well to heed John’s message of warning. God has blinded your eyes and hardened your heart. If you reject the one being God and three persons Father, Son, Holy Spirit you reject who God is. You currently are numbered among the the names of those who’s name is not found in the Book of Life the Lake of Fire will be your eternal place of destruction. Jesus says He’s the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13) quoting Isaiah 44 judgement of the false gods. Jesus will judge you because you rejected Him. Repent while you can.
Biblical Unitarian I read KJV only, you say we who believe in Trinity are wrong. Why is the name of God, Jehovah not in the N.T. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. I believe because Jesus is God, His blood saves us. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The Holy Spirit. John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John15:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Revelation1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. So you say the Trinity is not true , but Jesus is the word that created the world , explain the verses . Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
While you are right that the Trinity is invented theology and is not taught by scripture you are deluded into believing that Jesus is not God incarnate because the scriptures acknowledge this numerous times as well as Jesus himself numerous times if you do not believe that he came from heaven because he is God and not a man you all die in your sins Jesus told us this explicitly human beings come from the earth we are created on the earth and we come from it the breath of God is added to our flesh here on this planet just like it was for Adam. Christ did not come from this planet he came from heaven the eternal abode and he said if you do not believe that he did you will die in your sins the fact that he came from the eternal abode by him by itself proves that he has got incarnate. There's much more proof of this in scripture of course but this one truth refutes all ideas that Christ is not God in human flesh it is critical that you come to believe that he is because according to his own words if you do not you will die in your sins. May God help you see the truth.
@@NephilimFree You are deceived. Christ admits that the Father is greater than he is and that he cannot do anything of his own initiative, and that his authority was given to him by his Father. So if Jesus is the Father as you thus contend, then who is he talking about when he refers to the Father who gave him everything he has and who does he pray to and deflect the glory and worship to? Whose will is he appealing to in his request for the cup to pass away from him? Himself? He sends himself an angel from heaven while on earth? He sacrifices himself to himself? Seriously. Think about it.
@@chronic_daydreamer You do not believe scripture. 1Timothy 3[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [THEOS - Greek for DEITY] was manifest [PHANAROO - made visible] in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 10[30] I and my Father are one. In Zechariah 12:10 of the Old Testament, God says he will be the one on the cross, pierced, the only begotten, the son, loved by some, hated by others. Zechariah 12[10] And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
@@chronic_daydreamer Your false theology does the following: 1. it denies that God himself suffered the penalty for sin that we deserve and that another created human, like you and me, suffered it instead. This is impossible since God cannot punish one of his creations for the sin of another, just like a human judge cannot punish one person for the crime of another. Each person is judged for their own sin, never for that of another. God has stated that he cannot commit this immoral act: Deuteronomy 24[16] The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Matthew 16[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Isaiah53[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 2. It denies that Jesus is divine, that he is God made visible (manifest/phanaroo) in human flesh: 1Timothy 3[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [THEOS - Greek for DEITY] was manifest [PHANAROO - made visible] in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. John 10[30] I and my Father are one. In Zechariah 12:10 of the Old Testament, God says he will be the one on the cross, pierced, the only begotten, the son, loved by some, hated by others. Zechariah 12[10] And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. John20[27] Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God (autos mou (mine, my) kurios (supreme in authority) kai (and) theos (diety) ).
@@NephilimFree Where does it say that God is the one on the cross in Zechariah 12:10? No, you are the one twisting the scriptures here. There is nothing of the sort implied by that scripture at all. A firstborn son is not God Almighty. You have to look at it through your invented lenses to see something like that that isn’t even in the text.
@@NephilimFree Reading your assessments of those scriptures is dismaying, at best. We know that Thomas was speaking in exclamation, not addressing Jesus as if he was God. The rest of the account makes it abundantly clear if you read it in context that Jesus is not God. Considering scripture is always consistent and there is no conflict, we must take Jesus’ words literally and Thomas’ words as an expression of exclamation in order to harmonise. “my Father is greater than I.” - John 14:28 “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.” - Mark 10:18 Jesus can’t be fully man and fully God, coeternal and coequal if he says that God is greater than him. Clearly God is thus separate to him. The truth is the truth whether you choose to accept it over false traditions introduced by wolves in sheep’s clothing and weeds who sprouted up after the apostles died. Once they went to heaven, the last barriers to the Great Apostasy were gone, and Satanic teachings like the Trinity crept in. You either choose the healthful teaching of the original message of the good news, or you accept something accursed that came beyond the good news and falsely tacked onto it as if authentic. (Galatians 1:3-9). Even Galatians 1 makes it clear. Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Not God the Son. If Jesus were God the Son, such a term would have been used by Jesus and his followers. But no, he termed himself the Son of God. God being the Father. The only true God. Everlasting life only comes through accurate knowledge of the only true God who sent Christ for us. (John 17:3) Any message preaching anything else but is accursed. You’ve been believing a lie. I’m sorry.
Jesus called Himself God. Revelation 1:8,11,17-18 [8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [11]Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. [17]And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18]I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
@@Truth-f2q Yes He sure did. Jesus was also a man when He came and dwelt in the flesh. The Father called Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8 [8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. The rest of the verses in that same chapter that are quoted from the Psalms proves Jesus is Jehovah God. Jesus wasn't lying when He called Himself the a Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last, and the Almighty.
@@bobbyadkins6983hebrews 1:8 isn't calling jesus god! It's saying that jesus called the father god by saying that. "But onto the son(jesus) HE saith YOUR throne O GOD is forever and ever" he was calling the father God
@@JadenTendai No sir, you have taken one of the simplest verses to understand and twisted it. And what does that have to do with these verses in Revelation chapter 1?
In Acts 20:28, the Greek word translated "his own" is an adjective. And that adjective modifies the noun "blood". There's no basis, other than theological bias, for separating "his own" from "blood" and then making "his own" the object of an additional prepositional phrase. What's more, the "his" has always referred to GOD...
Wycliffe: "...the chirche of *God,* which he purchaside with his blood." Tyndale: "...the congregation of *God,* which he hath purchased with his blood." Coverdale: "...the congregacion of *God,* which he hath purchaced thorow his owne bloude." Geneva: "...the Church of *God,* which hee hath purchased with that his owne blood." Bishops: "...the Church of *God,* which he hath purchased with his owne blood." KJV: "...the Church of *God,* which he hath purchased with his own blood."
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The unipersonal God _IS_ love. And the greatest demonstration of love is to lay down one's _own_ life for others. So the unipersonal God laid down his own life for us, all the way to the cross, purchasing the church with his own blood. And after he died for our sins, the unipersonal God raised himself from the dead, just as he promised: *_JESUS_*_ answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days _*_*I*_*_ will raise it up._ (John 2:19)
Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God _IS_ the unipersonal God - the God who _IS_ love - manifested in genuine human form. Repent of the heresy of -Biblical- Unitarianism, and receive the revelation of *the unipersonal God's **_self-sacrificial_** love.*
Read the KJV, the most accurate translation among all bible versions. There is no such thing as the only begotten God for God exist Himself, and no one knows how God existed. It should be begotten Son as read in the KJV. God the Father called the Son also God. In OT, the Son was also called God. The Trinity is indeed taught in the bible.
@@dalesajdak422 Well, KJV translated in John 3:18, the begotten Son and never the begotten God. KJV is translated from the restored original Greek, the works of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza. KJV translators referred also to some other references like the Latin Bible and others.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 There are many materials showing the translation of the bible like the bible ware. Bible translators had no right to change the meaning of the word. However, in the KJV there were added words by the translators written in italics to make the sentence understandable, but only few and minor changes were made as a result of it. In fact, when I read, it is my practice to omit them. But it has nothing to do with any doctrine or the doctrine of Trinity. The apostolic churches taught Jesus Christ is God the reason for the doctrine of Trinity.
John 1 creates super amounts of issues for non-trinitarians since the Word is recognized as creator of all things and then also recognized as Jesus. From Genesis one we know God created all things. But saying that Jesus revealed an unseen God is not contradictory. Why? Because divinity is unseen. Also Jesus revealed the God who has not been seen. That is not strange to say if He is God. It does not have to mean that God was never seen even after Jesus revealed him. It would be like me saying my biological father was unknown to me but my father made himself known to me. Or something like that. Also in Acts 20 if you are saying it is either God or Lord then you have an issue. The Lord is recognized as God. So if there is one Lord and he has been recognized as God then it would seem someone called lord (in the sense of the verse in Acts 20) would be God. Same of Ephesians 4 or Thomas declaration that Jesus is Lord and God. Of course, God does not have blood to shed except in the one person of Jesus. So it would ot make any sense that there would be another passage that says that God (besides Jesus) shed his own blood. No Trinitarian would argue for that. Just making a statement that other passages say Jesus shed his blood does not really help unless you already assume by that that Jesus is not God. but really I do not show that you prove that this verse really speaks about Jesus unless you add more than what is in the text itself and interpret the text in just a certain way. You also making a jump to say "blood of his own" is referring to Jesus. It could still just mean his own blood. You did not really give a good reason to just state that "his own" refers to Jesus. You have to insert something that is not in the text "son" to make it sound like it works. Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”- Isaiah 44:6 Then there is Jude. So Lord in one place you say is not God and then in Jude it is God? But Jesus is called Lord all the time in the NT. Ephesians 4 is one major one. So a textual variant of Lord does not help you.
Yes, Lord can refer to Jesus or it can refer to God, it depends on context. This is not something new I am proposing. Also, the reason to believe that "son" is properly supplied in Acts 20:28 is the similar phrase "his own son" τοῦ ἰδίου υἱοῦ in Rom. 8:32. Do you see how in this verse you quoted, there can be no other God, besides the Father - “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”- Isaiah 44:6 God uses singular pronouns and said there is no other God. He does not use "we" which God should if he consists of three persons, he uses "I."
LORD capitalized is from the tetragrammaton...YHWH. written approximately 7000 times in the OT. To say LORD and Lord have the same meaning is erroneous. Deuteronomy 18:15-19..the LORD says to Moses, l will raise up a Prophet like yourself( Moses ) and l will put my words in His mouth. That Prophet just so happens to be the Son of God, the Messiah. Psalm 110:1... David writes..the LORD says to my Lord sit at my right hand. YHWH says to my king or ruler. The word Lord does not mean God. The capitalised form LORD refers specifically to YHWH..the one and only true God as Jesus ( Yahshua) states in John 17:3 . Remembering that God is Spirit and it is the Spirit that gives life. HalleluYah.
You don’t have a problem with the Trinity, you have a problem with the deity of Jesus. Trinitarians give Jesus the “rank” of God, one of several distinct entities of equal rank, but Monarchians agree with the Bible record that Jesus is the express image of the invisible God. As God in flesh, Jesus is more than deity - Jesus is Yahweh Himself!!!
The closer the manuscripts were written to Alexandria, the more Trinitarian they were. Remember that the Romans had many gods and they were OK with the Trinitarian viewpoint. They were trying to figure out who Jesus was. The church, overstepped their boundaries and did not listen to anything Jesus said, and came up with their own views of Jesus.
Also, if Jesus is begotten, he is not co-eternal
So trinitarians contradict themselves whenever they say Jesus is the begotten son
This is where the oxymoronic "eternally begotten" comes in.
They've sacrificed sense from the beginning.
The biggest problem is people believe without question.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 you see the issue then
@@MichaelTheophilus906
The bandwagon fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone claims that something is true because many people believe it, regardless of whether it's actually true. It's also known as the appeal to the masses or appeal to common belief.
@@aaronsanchez3141
Have you ever entertained the idea that God has allowed this blasphemy from the Roman State Church to test us? If someone loved the truth they would question it.
@@jdwagman God has not allowed it. Satan brought it.
@@aaronsanchez3141
Are you suggesting that God doesn't have the power to stop Satan if he wanted to? Is Satan more powerful than God? No! It is just like when the Jews rejected and killed Jesus:
Acts 2:23
This man was handed over to you BY GOD’S DELIBERATE PLAN AND FOREKNOWLEDGE; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
I was raised (browbeaten) mindlessly into the Roman Catholic Trinity dogma. Graduating from RC grade school and high school. It just never made sense. I starting reading the bible and what spiritual deliverance and clearer understanding of the scriptures came to me when I saw the light. Jesus is THE Son of God and not part of a three headed idol.
How were you of the opinion that Jesus was part of a "three headed idol". That is not Catholic teaching .
@@FredVanAllenRealtor Strawman arguments are not going to cut it when Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega (Rev 22:13) tosses you into the Lake of Fire
@ViralChristianity FYI. The Meanings of Yehovah and Yahweh; th-cam.com/video/dP4ogclTDto/w-d-xo.htmlsi=v5dOWVenVvdEItSc
@FredVanAllenRealtor yeah, I'm pretty much tired of Anti-trinitarians, maybe 150 years ago I could understand, but conceptually we got way more difficult Concepts in modern Sci-Fi movies so I have little tolerance for denying the full nature of the godhead
@@ad70preteristwhy are you trinitarians all so mean? Well, it is good we still can see clearly the fruit of this doctrine! Jesus never asked you to believe he is God or part of the trinity, which is man made doctrine. Jesus also warned about judging others, so maybe you should think before judging others to hell, it's anyway not your job! 🙏
The dogma of the Trinity is not found in Scripture.
@@aussierob7177 so it’s a lie then man made
@@aussierob7177 is not dogma but orthodox doctrine. You apparently are a heretic like Jehovah’s Witness?
@@aussierob7177 "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal’s death on a cross."
Philippians 2:6 NLT
"For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body."
Colossians 2:9 NLT
@@twistedtomato9792 Are you able to understand the Philippians 2:6 passage that you quoted? "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to"?
What does that even mean? That Christ did not consider equality with himself something to cling to? The passage began by saying that Christ was God, didn't it? God didn't think of equality with God something to cling to? This should already be setting off alarm bells in your head that something isn't right with the translation. And it isn't.
@@twistedtomato9792
The Greek:
"hos en morphe theos hyparcho ou harpagmos hegeomai ho enai isos theos"
Uber-literal word-for-word translation:
"Who in shape God being not plunder considered the to-be equal God"
Literal yet grammatical translation:
"Who, (though) being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God (something to be seized as) a prize/plunder".
This is a passage about Christ NOT pursuing equality with God despite being in the form of God. And being in the form of God is a commentary on the authority that Christ was given by God.
In other words, Christ did not use His God-given authority on the earth to try and force people to honour Him in the same way that they honour God, but rather used that authority to serve others as if He were their servant rather than their Lord.
"The Church doesn't determine what the Bible teaches. The Bible determines what the Church teaches."
I wish Trinitarians truly understood this concept, and stopped superimposing the Trinity Doctrine or Theory upon the scriptures and their supporters.
you mean like the messiah in general?
Jesus called Himself God.
Revelation 1:8,11,17-18
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[11]Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
[17]And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
[18]I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
@@MainPointMinistries The Father called Jesus God.
Hebrews 1:8
[8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@MainPointMinistries Isaiah 9:6
[6]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
@@bobbyadkins6983 Context is important, include the verses before and after...
Hebrews 1:5-12
New King James Version
The Son Exalted Above Angels
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [a]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
Excellent and concise but informative
Thanks!
God is NOT 3 persons, God is spirit ,Jesus was a man like Adam ,perfect blood,
@duanekapp5525 Do you believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins or not?
Yes, I am a classical aramaic reader as well as Assyrian. The spirit is unseen.
The holy Spirit is different to spirit the root word. God is Alaha, it is singular in lexicon and grammar. The son is Assyrian not aramaic. The word is ab'd or eb'd in Hebrew, meaning a servant. The son of Maryam is a prophet (Nabi).. The root word ab* is for humans only..
Flesh means human! So the son of Maryam is man sent by God. The aramaic Bible does say that the son of Maryam was "risen".. In aramaic it mean his soul was risen to the heavens.. So he was not killed , but actually saved..
Prophets are sent and recalled.. In the son of Maryam, he will return and then complete his duty to end transgression against the perpetrators who denied him..
@@barnaclelevi I'm not sure why your comment came to my notifications.
@barnacleleviThis is error. Allah is a moon god. Not Yahweh
The closer the manuscripts were written to Alexandria, the more Trinitarian they were. Remember that the Romans had many gods and they were OK with the Trinitarian viewpoint. They were trying to figure out who Jesus was. The church, overstepped their boundaries and did not listen to anything Jesus said, and came up with their own views of Jesus.
Basically lol. That is what hijackers do. Romans mixed their paganism with the Bible. They practiced Syncretism
Matthew 28:18 disproves the TRinity
Jesus was given authority by his father. If he's given authority, then he isnt co equal, and thus, the trinity falls apart
@@khankorpofficial no, that only shows that he submitted to the father in order to experience the Human Condition... Philippians 2:6-7
@@FishermensCornerhonestly Paul's epistles are not the synoptic gospels, we have to take his word that jesus appears to him, while we have the gospels already and the revelation of John. Ironically the roman jevvish, persecuter wanted to preach to gentiles because he knew followers of mosaic law and early messianic jevvs wouldn't trust him. Even Peter said his teachings and writing was hard for people to understand.
@@FishermensCorner Your statement only further solidifies that the Trinity does not work
He submitted to his father. Arianism. not trinity, thanks for proving it isnt true
@@Swordoftruth289 ... who says Paul's writing is confusing?
@dlf619 ... yes, because when my hand submits to the will of my brain to type this answer out, it proves that I'm not one person... this is why my tolerance for antitrinitarians is very very low, like I put it with atheism at this point.
Thank you for this information. I hope people will share it as I am about to do. Love you Brother.
Thanks!
Very clear and logical discussion of these verses and translations.
You don't aware of it but these explanations are really helpful among Turkish Christian community. I'm thankful for your effort. God bless your works.
Great to hear!
Where about in Turkey do you live ?
I'm half turkish, half romanian, as well as my wife. İsa seni kutsasın!
@@MichaelTheophilus906Jesus the Spirit is God
@@CrossWarrior7ForTheLord Thank you.
Unfortunately many Trinitarians have been taught the tradition ‘the infallible inerrant word of God’. Any mention of textual criticism and they stop listening.
They like what it says the way the KJV was translated.
this is absolute nonsense
@@MichaelTheophilus906Anyone who believes in the true Trinity believes in only one God.
Trinitarians have been using textual criticism for decades, get with the program.
what is the best translation I should read?
@@hllymchll of the Bible? Why read just one? They have different uses.
Excellent once again.
Thanks!
Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD that is my name and my glory I will not share with another" - God
John 5:23 " all men should honor the Son even as they honor the Father" - Jesus
So, who is the "I" in Isaiah 42:8? Is that three persons in your view?
@@adamgilliland273 John 5:22
For the Father judges no one, but has 👉🏼committed all judgment to the Son👈🏼
Yahusha was GIVEN AUTHORITY to judge. We honor the Son as THE JUDGE. King Solomon prophesied of this in Psalm 72:1-2.
G-d will judge the world THROUGH A MAN (Acts 17:31)
There's only one way for the scriptures to have no contradictions, and that's with the truth that's been revealed of the only God worthy of worship, the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost, the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 43:11 "I, even I am the LORD; and besides me there is no saviour"
Titus 2:13 "looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."
@@mrcltmrtIf someone is given authority, he is NOT eternally coequal, nor coequal at all. If someone gives back that authority to God, so that God may be all things to everyone, then by logic neither was he ever God Almighty in the first place.
We need a version of the Bible that relies only on the best manuscripts for the translation.
With the Revised English version, we try to! Stay tuned for part 2 of this video! revisedenglishversion.com
If you make any non-christian read gospels, they would never get the idea of Jesus is god.
yeah, they're not saved, makes sense.
False. Jesus called Himself God multiple times in the Gospels and His disciples also called Him God.
John 1:1 tells us Jesus is God. Thomas called Jesus his Lord and his God in the book of John.
@@johncena12366 The Father called Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8.
Hebrews 1:8
[8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Isaiah 9:6
[6]For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus called Himself the Almighty in Revelation chapter 1.
Revelation 1:8,11,17-18
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[11]Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
[17]And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
[18]I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
John 20:28
[28]And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 1:1-4
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2]The same was in the beginning with God.
[3]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
I'm Muslim but this was very interesting to watch, keep it up!
John 1:1
Islam is worst..you are delusional if you think it differently.
Welcome brother, this is the real thing about God Almighty and his only begotten Son Jesus, which is not a prophet. God is opening your eyes !
@@johnnyj.7494Thank you brother, however Jesus was a prophet sent by God, he isn’t God himself. Please research into this more and you’ll see how corrupt the Bible is.
@@sajjadfleih9528The Bible is not corrupt. It never claims that Jesus is God ALMIGHTY. It says he is divine or god-like. Perhaps you need to reread the Bible free of the tainting influence of false Christian doctrine to see Jesus for who he truly is: the promised Messiah. If you accept Jesus as a prophet but not as the Son of God (NOT God the Son), then you brand the prophet you claim to love as a liar and you flagrantly disregard the undeniable fact of the HUNDREDS of eyewitness testimonies from both his disciples and his enemies who testified in and outside of the scriptures (yes, even in other historical documents!) that Jesus admitted he was the Son of God. You can’t call the Bible corrupt simply because it disagrees with your worldview. If you bothered to look at the scholarly assessments of the scriptures in line with the archeological record, you would know the truth, that the Bible record is dependable and accurate, especially because we can rule out any errors through the sheer number of manuscripts that we have. It’s a beautiful and poetic thing, actually. It leaves all who deny its truth unable to defend themselves against it.
i prefer 1Cor 8:6 (KJV)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
is there any version that disagree that their is one god , the father ?
Isaiah 9:6
@@bobbyadkins6983 John 20:17 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
christ has a father and a god and his father and his god is our father and our god
@@rafaelo2215 Are you saying you don't believe Isaiah 9:6?
@@bobbyadkins6983 are you saying that you do not believe in christ words?
@@rafaelo2215 I asked you first. I believe the Bible, old and new testament. Now answer my question.
Nice job! That was really impressive handling and navigation through these deep and sensitive issues. You can really feel that sincerity and love.
Excellent video
What do you think of the new world translation?
I find that the REV, NWT, LSB, and 2001 translation are by far the best out there!!!!
Honestly, I haven't read too much of it, but in the places I've read it's not too bad, yea the 2001 Translation is pretty good too. As a translator of the REV I'm a little biased haha!
@@fkrsnofficial6095 I have my qualms with the NWT but it does have some very good explanations for their choices in wording in translation and exceptionally thorough scholarship, and I like that it has footnotes for how certain verses could be rendered in different ways too. I appreciate that.
Trinity gods of babylon,three gods..
Very good! Is it not possible that the reference to Jesus in the book of Jude is to Joshua the son of Nun? Would like your input, as Jesus is the anglicized Greek form of the Hebrew Yehoshua. Thank you.
@ViralChristianity I never said I was trinitarian I am not , I was asking a sincere question about the verse.
@ViralChristianity I thought you were the guy from the video, my mistake. My question was for him at the very beginning and I still would like HIS response. Thank you
Great question, it's theoretically possible that it is referring to Joshua, as it is the same Ἰησοῦς in the Greek for both Joshua (Heb. 4:8) and for Jesus. However, my hesitancy to go with that reading above "Lord," is that Joshua, to my knowledge isn't really credited with bringing "Israel out of Egypt" as it says in Jude 1:5, but with bringing them into the promised land. I think that reading certainly has more credibility than "Jesus" though.
@@biblicalunitarian Thank you for your answer to my question and I understand your view I research the scriptures as I want God's Word. God Bless you in your efforts
@ViralChristianity”Grasping at straws.” 😂 He had scriptural backing while you are relying on mistranslation and bias stemming from false doctrine established by oppressive wolves in the 4th century who relied on vitriolic language to support their narrative. The Apostles said those liars would come into the church and teach twisted things, and Jesus said “by their fruits” we would know the difference between true Christians and false. Athanasius was not a true Christian. His peddling of false doctrines that dishonour both God and Christ were not Christian either if you really knew and admitted to yourself what Jesus said and taught and later revealed through prophecy to John.
If you bothered to analyse what even happened at Nicea and read all the scholarly material on it, you’d realise that Athanasius had no solid scriptural basis for his stance whereas Arius did. He had to invent unscriptural language to support his ideas. That alone should set your alarm bells ringing. Unfortunately, by that stage the apostate church had gone against Jesus’ own direction to be no part of the world and had gotten in bed with the Emperor, becoming Babylon the Great and permitted a pagan Emperor to decide “orthodoxy.” I don’t subscribe to the age-old obsession with trinities of gods that both Babylons have replaced the Almighty YHWH with, but you do you.
Keep it up. Video on The Isaiah scroll coming soon?
perhaps, what about it would you want discussed?
No one has seen GOD, because no one was living up to his ways and living an eternal life on earth
Hello, 🤔 can't find the link fort part 2
It's because we haven't posted it yet!
@@biblicalunitarian UPS‼️🤭 ok sorry 🤗😂
Thoughts on RVIC version?
I've never really read it, sorry.
Care to discuss why 'the' son of man is always referred to in the 3rd person by Jesus?
Let me know.
Shalom.
The New Testament does make it pretty clear that Jesus is the Son of Man, but I’ve heard an interesting hypothesis that perhaps Jesus didn’t actually _know_ he was the Son of Man during his lifetime, and that only after his resurrection did God make him the Son of Man/reveal that to him. Many critical scholars think it’s possible or even likely that Jesus preached about a coming Son of Man who wasn’t himself, so perhaps that’s true. 🤷♂️
@@dalesajdak422 - I have a different explanation. Most are quick to hear 'son of man' and assume a 'complimentary' context. The same goes for 'sons of God - psalm 82 clearly indicates otherwise.
With regards to 'a' son of man, it is pointed out in Numbers 23:19, that the 'son of man' needs to repent... and thus a binary 'gate' appears - FOR or AGAINST.
We know that the son of man has a quandary with 'faith', and that it requires faith in order to please God.
I then found an interesting example in Ezekiel. When Ezekiel is called, the Lord tells him (son of man) to STAND and THEN He would speak with him. It is then the 'spirit' that enters Ezekiel and CAUSES him to stand. And THEN Ezekiel could hear the Lord speaking to him.
As such the son of man is a 'thing' as much as a person. It is a thing inside EVERY person. The 'son' of man is our Lord, the 'master' that is within us. This is what the LORD speaks to.
Thus when David says (in the spirit as Jesus adds) the Lord is speaking to David's 'son of man' and thus the LORD is giving David instruction on what he would like him to do.
amennnnnnnnnnnnn
1 LORD GOD en 1 lord human mediator to go to GOD YAH
Informative and enjoyed the brief testimony after the breakdown of the passages. Some will dismiss the facts altogether because it’s just too hard to accept our translations could have and/or stem from Trinitarian bias/corruption.
It’s much more comforting imagining that JW’s (with their NWT) are the main group guilty of making the Bible conform to a preexistent set of theological beliefs.
Good job, brother!!
I say often to Christians, "Your version is your doctrine." Now there is a new bible version for the LGBT people.
For those who still believe "Jesus=God," read the Holy Scripture: Mark 12:29-34, John 17:3, 1 Tim 2:6, Eph. 4:6, 1 Cor. 8:6.
Be blessed. 🕎🙏
Yep, people put a little too much "faith" (lol) in English versions
The term begotten simply means to be born again of the Fathers incorruptible seed. It doesn't mean to be born without a human Father.
What about:
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 3:22
Genesis 11:7
Isaiah 6:8
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 48:16
Isaiah 61:1
Isaiah 63:10
Isaiah 63:14
Psalm 2:7
Psalm 110:1
Matthew 3:16-17
Matthew 12:28
Matthew 28:19
Luke 1:35
Luke 3:21-22
John 1:1-2
John 1:14
John 1:18
John 3:34-35
John 14:16-17
John 14:26
John 15:26
John 16:13-15
John 20:21-22
Acts 2:32-33
Acts 5:30-32
Acts 7:55
Romans 1:4
Romans 8:9-11
Romans 15:16
Romans 15:30
1 Corinthians 6:11
1 Corinthians 8:6
1 Corinthians 12:4-6
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
2 Corinthians 13:14
Galatians 4:4-6
Ephesians 1:3-14
Ephesians 2:18
Ephesians 2:21-22
Ephesians 3:14-17
Ephesians 4:4-6
Philippians 2:5-7
Philippians 3:3
Colossians 1:15-17
Colossians 2:9
1 Thessalonians 1:4-6
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
1 Timothy 3:16
Titus 3:4-6
Hebrews 1:1-3
Hebrews 9:14
1 Peter 1:2
1 Peter 3:18
1 John 4:13-14
Jude 1:20-21
Revelation 1:4-5
Revelation 22:1
@@WhatisSpite all those verses, the 3 in 1 doctrine must be ‘read into’ them.
You would be well advised to listen to your savior when he says that *his Father is the only true God and his God is our God.* Jn 17:3, Jn 20:17
@@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist except the fact that only God saves.
@@FishermensCorner If God did not raise Jesus from the dead then none of us could be saved. Thankfully God gave his only begotten son as our redeemer.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 Don’t skip the first verse:
Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, *which God gave him to show to his servants* the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, …
@SonOfGodByNewBirthInChrist if Christ didn't live a perfect life, if the Holy Spirit didn't come down ans fill us... etc etc, all 3 play a part
never build your entire theology
on variant manuscript readings
build your house upon a rock,
not upon the sand
I think Paul said / Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do the effeminate inherit the Kingdom of God?
Not sure what at all that has to do with the video.
I thought you were going to deal with serious Trinitarian mistranslations, like Revelation 21:22, “But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.”
Trinitarians believe that God and Jesus (the Lamb) are separate persons. This explains why they would replace the word IS with the word ARE. Yup! They pluralized the verb IS (God the Lamb is the temple) into ARE (God and the Lamb are the temple). I’m just surprised that they didn’t pluralize the word TEMPLE!
I'm non trinitarian, but i disagree with my biblical Unitarian brethren on one point, their denial ofthe pre-existince of Jesus as the Logos or angel of Yahweh. Yes, trinitarian brethren draw the wrong conclusion from these verses that are used to teach Christ's prehuman life, but to me Jesus coming from heaven and having been with the Father before he came as a man is clearly taught.
Both extremes are inconsistent. Just because Jesus existed in heaven first doesnt prove the Trinity, just as the fact that there is no Trinity doesn't prove that he didn't exist previous to his human life. He was a spirit son of Yahweh of the highest order, separate and distinct from Yahweh, created by Yahweh as all other angelic sons were. He didn't exist before he was created, but his creation was heavenly before it was earthly. I think this is crystal clear from Scripture. God bless 🙏
Jesus was created by God. Jesus was the first creation that God made, im pretty sure
@@JadenTendai I do see in Scripture the clear teaching that Yahweh created Jesus before he became a man and died for us, was raised from the dead and exalted to the divine nature by Yahweh. But for some few years I have wondered whether the Scriptures teach he was Yahweh's first creation, or whether he was the first sentient being, the first son of God created. I'm not 100 percent sure personally. I do feel that Isaiah 44:24 gives room for the thought that Yahweh created some things even before the creation of the Logos (Jesus in heaven)
"This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth- Who was with me at that time?- Isaiah 44:24 (I chose the ISV translation for this verse because I think it expresses the thought better, even though others are also good.) Does this mean Yahweh created the earth and heaven etc, before he created Jesus and the angels in heaven? Not sure, but I think it is food for thought. Regardless, we know Jesus was created at some point in heaven before he became a man. The fact that the Trinity is false doesn't disprove his former prehuman existence in heaven. God bless 🙏
Just to be clear, I do believe Jesus was the first son created in heaven, before all the other angelic sons of God, I just am not sure if he was the actual first of ANY creation of God.
The main point of all that was written about Jesus in the Bible is to make hebrews to see WHO was among them.
The western people read the Bible way differently from that base of reasoning and messes it all up...
I believe the son was there at the burning bush with Moses as the angel of the Lord, not a angel by creation but a spokes person for the Father.
Except Jesus himself didn't think he was the angel of the Lord in the burning bush. When he describes that event in Mark 12:26 he says that "God spoke to him in the burning bush"
@ that’s because the son being begotten makes him God too, he’s just not the True and living God, which is the Father.
@@graverobbersministry8939Christ is not God, but was made Lord by the Almighty Father.
Have you responded to Dr Garza's video on how you don't know greek and you don't know what you are talking about?
Dr Garza made some crazy statements in that video.
Nope, don't really care to. He didn't care to ask or investigate my knowledge of the languages and just wanted to throw around some ad hominem attacks. He doesn't seem interested in actually getting things right, so I don't think I'll spend time doing that.
@@biblicalunitarian unfortunately he is considered a great source of information for the trinitarians. I would respond to at least some of the nonsense he mentioned about angels in the Old Testament
@@EnHacore1 Idk, I will have to think about it. Our current policy is to not call out people on our channel because often that leads to drama, which is not very Christianly, but I will think about it.
@@biblicalunitarian I would say address his points even if you don't call him out by name. His inference that the Trinity showed up to Abraham is ridiculous.
@@EnHacore1I remember seeing that video of his and nearly spitting out my coffee at how absurd his claim was. Trinitarians will impose the Trinity on ANYTHING that comes in threes.
Unfortunately Christians dont understand that theres a difference between elohim and Eloheim and the Greek doesnt differeniate the difference at all.
Trinitarian doctrine is OT not NT. If you’re arguing that this is exclusively a NT issue you have zero credibility.
There is no trinity in the Tanakh. Not a single guy who spoke directly with God was a trinitarian, nor was it anywhere taught by anyone.
I'm not arguing that this is an exclusively NT issue, and the Trinity is certainly not in the OT.
there is probably more then ten i'm just saying
Well, he only mentioned 5
Yep, there are more than ten but I think "top ten" is more appealing than "top 17" or something like that haha
@@biblicalunitarian I'm curious, do you believe in the divinity of Jesus, or do you think he was a creature like Arians and Jehovah's Witnesses?
@@andyontheinternet5777 I believe that he was fully a man, like the scriptures say: "Jesus of Nazareth, a man pointed out to you by God" (Acts 2:22), "One mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim. 2:5). If by "divinity of Jesus" you mean "100% God and 100% man," no I do not believe that. The scriptures never teach it, and it is a pure contradiction. He is never identified as a God-man.
@@biblicalunitarianSo, you believe Jesus was just a man?
None of this explanation would even be necessary if Christian’s actually ever read the Tanach (“OT”)
I mean it literally tells you…
Exodus 33:20 “But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”
That right there tells me Jesus is NOT god.
A question I have is why is literally every Torah scroll around the world exactly the same no matter where you go. Written word for word. But the Christian Bible has soooooooooo many translations and texts added in and taken out? Makes one wonder why anyone would consider Christianity.
This verse alone should make one pause.
כֹּ֥ה אָמַר֮ יְהוָ֣ה צְבָאוֹת֒ בַּיָּמִ֣ים הָהֵ֔מָּה אֲשֶׁ֤ר יַחֲזִ֙יקוּ֙ עֲשָׂרָ֣ה אֲנָשִׁ֔ים מִכֹּ֖ל לְשֹׁנ֣וֹת הַגּוֹיִ֑ם וְֽהֶחֱזִ֡יקוּ בִּכְנַף֩ אִ֨ישׁ יְהוּדִ֜י לֵאמֹ֗ר נֵֽלְכָה֙ עִמָּכֶ֔ם כִּ֥י שָׁמַ֖עְנוּ אֱלֹהִ֥ים עִמָּכֶֽם׃ (ס)
Thus said GOD of Hosts: In those days, ten people from nations of every tongue will take hold-they will take hold of every Jew by a corner of their cloak and say, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
not really a problem because competent trinitarianism says that god is the trinity. no one saw the trinity
The content creator begins with John 1 :18 and explains that there is manuscript evidence for both renderings before giving his opinion on why 'son' should be the best option. However, he didn't fully explain which reading was found in the oldest manuscripts and seemed to see a contradiction in the text with the alternate view which he thought supported the Trinity. Is this a case of his own theological presuppositions getting in the way ? I disagree that the rendering 'only-begotten god' supports Trinitarianism. Indeed, I think the opposite is true as an 'only-begotten god' (Jesus) contrasts with the unbegotten God (YHWH). Indeed, the fact that people saw Jesus and that no man has seen God argues for Jesus being the Christ and not God Almighty. In the Greco-Roman world, someone who had been raised from the dead and exalted to heaven to the right hand of God would indeed be viewed as a god. Howevere, the term 'god' has a range of meanings and is applied to others in the Bible apart from YHWH. who is the ultimate, supreme, true God.
Having said that, I think his explanations for the rest of the scriptures are accurate and show how the presuppositions of Trinitarian scholars have influenced their translations.
There were other reasons within the context as to why "only-begotten son" is preferrable. One is that "only-begotten son" occurs three other times in the Johannine literature, but "only-begotten God" never occurs anywhere else. So, I wouldn't say theological presuppositions are driving that choice. Thanks for the comment.
@@biblicalunitarian : I understand why "only -begotten son" may be preferrable for you, but as you stated in the video, the jury is out on this one and "only-begotten god"is , I think, found in the oldest Greek manuscripts. My main point, however, is that "only-begotten god" does not support Trinitarianism.
Paul says that Jesus was the rock that followed behind( exodus). They need the godman like a drug. Nice video. 10 out of 10.
Concordant Literal New Testament is a good bible to have by ae knoch
Jesus Christ alone is God.
Not trying to be rude, but oh my goodness, the pronunciation of the Greek words. It’s really bad. God is Theos -pronounced “they-os” with the accent on the last syllable. Son is pronounced “YOS “Yos” not hos.
There are different pronunciations of Greek. I am using the old Erasmian pronunciation which I was taught in Seminary, not the modern pronunciation.
the son is god, and God is the son, because of many texts both in the old and new testament. To focus in one one line is dishonest. In totallity there is no contridiction, the son is god and God is the sun. in both and old and new testament
no contradiction at all in a father being his own son yep i agree
Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8.......
We have responses for those verses here - www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses
Do you agree with the conclusions in the video? What are your reasons if you disagree?
Jesus is the Father.
It’s simple there is a Father and a Son. Yahweh the Father and Yeshua the Messiah. The Son of God. How much more evidence do we have to bring to make a clear distinction between these two people. Trinitarians, ask yourself does believing in a doctrine really depend on my salvation? No it does not on the contrary, it does not grant salvation to believe in a nature of God. Believing that Yahweh raises Yeshua up from the dead and believing that he is the MESSIAH, does grant you salvation. “If someone acknowledges that Yeshua is the Son of God, God remains united with him, and he with God.”
1 Yochanan (1 Jo) 4:15 CJB
“Everyone who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah has God as his father, and everyone who loves a father loves his offspring too.”
1 Yochanan (1 Jo) 5:1 CJB
trinitarians have nothing to gain to defend a doctrine that seems complicated. it's not even worth defending if you want to appease the world. the trinity has a unique view on god different from other religions and says god is greater than us for being 3 persons instead of 1. that's something incomprehensible to life-forms lower than god, but still logical, like a 4D cube. unitarians have everything to gain to make sure jesus' words aren't taken as infallible, but as just an opinion lesser than the father.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." - from jesus in revelation
you have to actively go against the natural reading already from john 1:1 and literally the rest of the bible say that god, being all powerful, didn't make it clear enough that jesus was not god. this is some nigerian prince scam theology.
@@ChevySamk no I’m just giving the simple explanation in the Bible that their is in fact a father and son
@@ChevySamkYou need to go back and reread each passage that uses the title Alpha and Omega. In each context, it is clear that the Father is speaking when applying that title to himself. However, the title of First and Last applies to both the Son and the Father. But the title Alpha and Omega only applies to the Father.
I think John spent enough time with Christ to know and he wrote/
John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Where is the trinity in this statement?
His point wasn’t to reveal
A trinity but to reveal that Jesus is God
@@pmac_ 👍 That’s also true, I agree
@@marktravis5162
His point was to make clear that without the spoken word of God ("and God said") nothing happens, and that the spoken word was really God speaking and no one else (Ps 33:6,9).
And the spoken word of God dwelt among us as a living person. (John 1:14, Heb 1:2).
@@pmac_ God made Adam perfect, but he sinned and died.
The Word gave up being a Spirit to become the perfect fleshly man Yahshua, with no sin because "The Father" our God was his Father through His Power. All things are possible by The Father.
Php 2:5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Php 2:6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, Php 2:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; Php 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death, yea, the death of the cross. Php 2:9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; Php 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things on earth and things under the earth, Php 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
“Yahshua, lived a sinless life and died for our sins so if we will listen to the words of God; which sinful man cannot do with out repentance in prayer and Faith in Yahshua,, our redeemer. This was done so we might live again after death to give Glory to The Father through Yahshua, the Christ.”
John 14: 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Acts 20V28 is correct in the KJV. The issue here is peoples reading level and the use of Pronouns. the pronouns "He and "His" is talking about Jesus, as Jesus is the only Noun mentioned in the previous verses 24 to 28. Notice carefully God is not mentioned as a noun. Even thought the word "GOD" is in the verses it is not talking about God himself but about things of God, like kingdom of God, Church of God, Counsel of God but God himself is not there, so the pronouns "HE" and "HIS" are pointing to Jesus 100% in Acts 20v24
Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Act 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
Act 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
If you are interested in the pronoun bible let me know, it is a real eye opener.
I conceded all five of his ten points and still believe in the Trinity! Here are a few reasons why:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
"I and the Father are one."
"For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily."
"He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature."
"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'"
"Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ."
"Whoever has seen me has seen the Father."
"To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen."
"This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
"Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'"
"Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ."
"Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped."
"Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone."
"But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me."
Don't forget the Old Testament!
"Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...'"
"And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, 'Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?'"
"Draw near to me, hear this: From the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there. And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit."
"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced..."
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
"Then the LORD God said, 'Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil...'"
11:37 He's basing it on what Jesus said in John 5:46. "If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote of me", and I say that's pretty good evidence that he was in fact there.
@@williamstier6445 Moses did write about Jesus.
Deuteronomy 18:17-19
And the LORD said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And *I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I COMMAND him.* And whoever will not listen to my words that *he shall speak in my name,* I myself will require it of him.
Peter says that is Jesus:
Acts 3:21-23
Jesus … whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago. Moses said, ‘The LORD God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’
So just like the Gnostics, this Unitarian HATES the Preserved word of God in English(KJB) because it doesn't fit his Blasphemous Unitarian Presuppositional view of God?
Trinitarians are the ones who are blasphemers by adding to God's Word.
dang thats a lot of big words strung together
so when did Jesus speak English?
I don't hate the English "KJB" but rightly understand that it is a translation of an original text in a different language, so the goal is to get to the original meaning, and English translations are just a tool to do that. I genuinely hope you are willing to fairly evaluate evidence against the KJV-only movement, because there is a lot.
Arguments against the KJB are absurd, We can definitely agree on one thing, That the KJB is a Trinitarian Bible?
In a very real way, the Word, which was with God, and was God, has been made flesh in Jesus Christ. Deny this all you want, but "Christianity" without a divine Jesus is idolatry -- plain and simple.
Jesus can still be divine and not be God. Angels are divine. Some acts of intervention are divine, ad nauseum.
@@migtvill I think you've missed the entire point of the New Testament. The Jews of old, and the Christians of the new covenant era, didn't/don't worship creatures. We don't worship angels, semi-divine figures, lesser divinities, or human beings. We worship God alone. The Biblical testimony is clear: there is God, and there is everything else. And the gulf between them is infinite. Although the New Testament makes it very clear that Jesus was and is a real human being, it is equally clear that he is much more than a human being. Jesus is not just some highly exalted prophet or "angel." Revelation 5 describes a kind of worship of Jesus that would be idolatrous for a Jew or for a Christian were Jesus not, in some way, fully God while at the same time fully man.
I was once a unitarian myself. But I came to see that the Scriptural testimony is absolutely uncompromising in terms of what constitutes true and acceptable worship before God. Christianity is not about human beings or angels saving mankind. It is about the work that GOD has done. Jesus receives divine worship because he is God in the flesh.
@@wordwarrior1974He never suggested or even inferred to worship anyone other than God. In fact, if he is doing this to separate worship away from Jesus, then it's because this issue matters to him and in sincerity, succint and direct to the very point you are saying. To worship only God. You made a point as if a divine thing was only God. You should have been more specific on your first statement. Now, you are making it out to be that he is saying to worship Jesus if he is not God. Which at no point in time did he say. Please refine your arguments or your thinking and I doubt very much you heard him out entirely.
@@wordwarrior1974As far as the text for worship of the Lamb, read Revelations 20, where God concedes His throne to the Lamb for 1000 years. Meaning literal or symbolic, Christ reigns for a limited time.
@@migtvill I take full responsibility for not being clear, if there was anything that I said that was not clear.
As I said, I was once a unitarian, so I know the arguments inside and out. I did not mean to imply that this guy is saying to worship Jesus even though (in his view) he is not God. You missed my point entirely. A unitarian may agree with me that only God should be worshipped. And he may claim that the New Testament doesn't present Jesus as God, and therefore Jesus shouldn't be worshipped (at least not "as God"). But the New Testament would disagree. The New Testament DOES present Jesus as God. When you see the patterns of Old Testament passages being applied to Jesus in the NT (numerous examples); recognize that certain Old Testament passages could ONLY be fulfilled by Jesus (for example, Zechariah 14); that language is used in the New Testament indicating that Jesus is God in the flesh; and that Jesus is exalted to a place that is not compatible with monotheism if he were NOT God; then it becomes clear what his true identity is. I invite all unitarians to think on this, pray on it, and above all study Scripture in a translation that has not been compromised. See the TH-cam channel "Truth is Christ" for why the King James has been signed and sealed by God.
1 Timothy 3:16 still teaches Jesus is God even if it reads "He" because the same Greek word for "preached" (kēryssō) is used in Romans 10:8. It is to be "preached" that Jesus is YHWH (Romans 10:13; cf. Joel 3:5LXX)
The KJV says God in 1 Timothy 3:16.
@@bobbyadkins6983 Yes, I know. Even if the text does not read "God" 1 Timothy 3:16 still teaches Jesus is God.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 But the Greek text that the KJV is translated from does say God. The other versions that say He are translated from corrupted manuscripts.
@@bobbyadkins6983 Either one is okay with me.
@@kardiognostesministries8150 I don't like corrupted manuscripts. I guess I'm funny that way.😳
SO much eisegesis going on in Christianity(?).
You really have to play Hebrew and Greek hopscotch to come to the conclusion that there is no Trinity, trinitarianism is a fundamental and foundational underpinning of Christianity. I pray that you revisit and reevaluate your understanding of this critical doctrinal truth.
There was no hopscotch done at all in the video. I tried to let the evidence and context guide which reading to include in the text. This is what all translators should do.
As far as being "fundamental" I would disagree. The fundamental understanding that the NT authors are coming from is that God is only the Father. 1 Cor. 8:6 - "For us there is one God, the Father...and one Lord, Jesus Christ," Eph. 4:6 "One God and Father," Rom. 1:7 - "From God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." There are more I could list however, the fundamental understanding of EVERY one of Paul's introductions is that God is the Father, not that God is a Trinity. I am always willing to reevaluate my understanding, I hope you would be too.
@biblicalunitarian I guess the question is , is this merely a heterodoxical difference of opinion, or does it fall into the category of heresy? Is believing or unbelieving the Trinity a sorteriological matter?
@@jasongossage8017 I strongly believe it is a heterodoxical difference of opinion. Firstly, because I believe I was saved as a Trinitarian (knowing my own life and heart) and I believe I am still saved as a Unitarian. But Secondly because it is never described as a soteriological matter. The soteriological thing Paul and the apostles want us to believe about Jesus is that he is "Lord" (Rom. 10:9) and that he died for our sins (Rom. 5:8) and was resurrected (1 Cor. 15:1-4). Whether or not he is God has nothing to do with the saving message, the gospel.
Show me the word trinity in the Bible...show me where the Apostles or our Lord Christ teaches a "being in 3 persons."
Your "teaching" is man-made religious dogma created by the Council of Nicea, which came 3 centuries after Christ's death.
These so-called "religious scholars" created their own teachings and stayed away from the Truth.
You are not “Biblical” anything. You deny the God of Scripture.
We believe that "there is one God, the Father" (1 Cor. 8:6), to say that we deny the God of scripture is a pretty outlandish charge. My God is explicitly defined in scripture. Can you find the Trinity explicitly defined in scripture?
@@biblicalunitarian today i learned that anything which is not explicit is false
Cope more 😂
@@biblicalunitarian you forgot the rest of the verse. That is the difference between a Christian and a Unitarian. We affirm Scripture tota. Satan quotes Scripture as you teach omitting context and full verses. You claim to be a “Biblical” Unitarian let us test that theory. Isaiah chapter 6 speaks of Isaiah vision of the YHWH sitting upon His throne, seraphim saying Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of His glory! YHWH (us v8) has a message for Isaish to give to Israel/Judah verses 8-13. John 12 the Apostle says Jesus is whom Isaish saw (verses 37-43).
You would do well to heed John’s message of warning. God has blinded your eyes and hardened your heart. If you reject the one being God and three persons Father, Son, Holy Spirit you reject who God is. You currently are numbered among the the names of those who’s name is not found in the Book of Life the Lake of Fire will be your eternal place of destruction.
Jesus says He’s the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end (Rev 22:13) quoting Isaiah 44 judgement of the false gods. Jesus will judge you because you rejected Him. Repent while you can.
@@biblicalunitarian the Apostle John says Jesus is God.
Biblical Unitarian I read KJV only, you say we who believe in Trinity are wrong. Why is the name of God, Jehovah not in the N.T. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. I believe because Jesus is God, His blood saves us. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The Holy Spirit. John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. John 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John15:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Revelation1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. So you say the Trinity is not true , but Jesus is the word that created the world , explain the verses . Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
While you are right that the Trinity is invented theology and is not taught by scripture you are deluded into believing that Jesus is not God incarnate because the scriptures acknowledge this numerous times as well as Jesus himself numerous times if you do not believe that he came from heaven because he is God and not a man you all die in your sins Jesus told us this explicitly human beings come from the earth we are created on the earth and we come from it the breath of God is added to our flesh here on this planet just like it was for Adam. Christ did not come from this planet he came from heaven the eternal abode and he said if you do not believe that he did you will die in your sins the fact that he came from the eternal abode by him by itself proves that he has got incarnate. There's much more proof of this in scripture of course but this one truth refutes all ideas that Christ is not God in human flesh it is critical that you come to believe that he is because according to his own words if you do not you will die in your sins. May God help you see the truth.
@@NephilimFree You are deceived. Christ admits that the Father is greater than he is and that he cannot do anything of his own initiative, and that his authority was given to him by his Father. So if Jesus is the Father as you thus contend, then who is he talking about when he refers to the Father who gave him everything he has and who does he pray to and deflect the glory and worship to? Whose will is he appealing to in his request for the cup to pass away from him? Himself? He sends himself an angel from heaven while on earth? He sacrifices himself to himself? Seriously. Think about it.
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You do not believe scripture.
1Timothy 3[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [THEOS - Greek for DEITY] was manifest [PHANAROO - made visible] in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 10[30] I and my Father are one.
In Zechariah 12:10 of the Old Testament, God says he will be the one on the cross, pierced, the only begotten, the son, loved by some, hated by others. Zechariah 12[10] And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
@@chronic_daydreamer Your false theology does the following:
1. it denies that God himself suffered the penalty for sin that we deserve and that another created human, like you and me, suffered it instead. This is impossible since God cannot punish one of his creations for the sin of another, just like a human judge cannot punish one person for the crime of another. Each person is judged for their own sin, never for that of another. God has stated that he cannot commit this immoral act:
Deuteronomy 24[16] The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Matthew 16[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Isaiah53[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
2. It denies that Jesus is divine, that he is God made visible (manifest/phanaroo) in human flesh:
1Timothy 3[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [THEOS - Greek for DEITY] was manifest [PHANAROO - made visible] in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 10[30] I and my Father are one.
In Zechariah 12:10 of the Old Testament, God says he will be the one on the cross, pierced, the only begotten, the son, loved by some, hated by others.
Zechariah 12[10] And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
John20[27] Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God (autos mou (mine, my) kurios (supreme in authority) kai (and) theos (diety) ).
@@NephilimFree Where does it say that God is the one on the cross in Zechariah 12:10? No, you are the one twisting the scriptures here. There is nothing of the sort implied by that scripture at all. A firstborn son is not God Almighty. You have to look at it through your invented lenses to see something like that that isn’t even in the text.
@@NephilimFree Reading your assessments of those scriptures is dismaying, at best. We know that Thomas was speaking in exclamation, not addressing Jesus as if he was God. The rest of the account makes it abundantly clear if you read it in context that Jesus is not God. Considering scripture is always consistent and there is no conflict, we must take Jesus’ words literally and Thomas’ words as an expression of exclamation in order to harmonise.
“my Father is greater than I.” - John 14:28
“Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God.” - Mark 10:18
Jesus can’t be fully man and fully God, coeternal and coequal if he says that God is greater than him. Clearly God is thus separate to him. The truth is the truth whether you choose to accept it over false traditions introduced by wolves in sheep’s clothing and weeds who sprouted up after the apostles died. Once they went to heaven, the last barriers to the Great Apostasy were gone, and Satanic teachings like the Trinity crept in. You either choose the healthful teaching of the original message of the good news, or you accept something accursed that came beyond the good news and falsely tacked onto it as if authentic. (Galatians 1:3-9). Even Galatians 1 makes it clear. Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Not God the Son. If Jesus were God the Son, such a term would have been used by Jesus and his followers. But no, he termed himself the Son of God. God being the Father. The only true God. Everlasting life only comes through accurate knowledge of the only true God who sent Christ for us. (John 17:3) Any message preaching anything else but is accursed. You’ve been believing a lie. I’m sorry.
No jesus was a conced God
Jesus called Himself God.
Revelation 1:8,11,17-18
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[11]Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
[17]And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
[18]I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Jesus proclaimed the Father is his God in many places.
@@Truth-f2q Yes He sure did. Jesus was also a man when He came and dwelt in the flesh. The Father called Jesus God.
Hebrews 1:8
[8]But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The rest of the verses in that same chapter that are quoted from the Psalms proves Jesus is Jehovah God.
Jesus wasn't lying when He called Himself the a
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, the first and the last, and the Almighty.
@@bobbyadkins6983 how can jesus be the trinity when the trinity is jesus god :s
@@bobbyadkins6983hebrews 1:8 isn't calling jesus god! It's saying that jesus called the father god by saying that. "But onto the son(jesus) HE saith YOUR throne O GOD is forever and ever" he was calling the father God
@@JadenTendai No sir, you have taken one of the simplest verses to understand and twisted it. And what does that have to do with these verses in Revelation chapter 1?
In Acts 20:28, the Greek word translated "his own" is an adjective. And that adjective modifies the noun "blood". There's no basis, other than theological bias, for separating "his own" from "blood" and then making "his own" the object of an additional prepositional phrase. What's more, the "his" has always referred to GOD...
Wycliffe: "...the chirche of *God,* which he purchaside with his blood."
Tyndale: "...the congregation of *God,* which he hath purchased with his blood."
Coverdale: "...the congregacion of *God,* which he hath purchaced thorow his owne bloude."
Geneva: "...the Church of *God,* which hee hath purchased with that his owne blood."
Bishops: "...the Church of *God,* which he hath purchased with his owne blood."
KJV: "...the Church of *God,* which he hath purchased with his own blood."
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The unipersonal God _IS_ love. And the greatest demonstration of love is to lay down one's _own_ life for others. So the unipersonal God laid down his own life for us, all the way to the cross, purchasing the church with his own blood. And after he died for our sins, the unipersonal God raised himself from the dead, just as he promised: *_JESUS_*_ answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days _*_*I*_*_ will raise it up._ (John 2:19)
Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God _IS_ the unipersonal God - the God who _IS_ love - manifested in genuine human form. Repent of the heresy of -Biblical- Unitarianism, and receive the revelation of *the unipersonal God's **_self-sacrificial_** love.*
Read the KJV, the most accurate translation among all bible versions. There is no such thing as the only begotten God for God exist Himself, and no one knows how God existed. It should be begotten Son as read in the KJV. God the Father called the Son also God. In OT, the Son was also called God. The Trinity is indeed taught in the bible.
“Read the KJV, _the most accurate translation among all Bible versions_ ” LMAO that alone is reason to disregard everything you have to say
@@dalesajdak422 Well, KJV translated in John 3:18, the begotten Son and never the begotten God. KJV is translated from the restored original Greek, the works of Erasmus, Stephanus, and Beza. KJV translators referred also to some other references like the Latin Bible and others.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 The doctrine of Trinity is never based on any translation of the bible, but on its content or its interpretation.
@@MichaelTheophilus906 There are many materials showing the translation of the bible like the bible ware. Bible translators had no right to change the meaning of the word. However, in the KJV there were added words by the translators written in italics to make the sentence understandable, but only few and minor changes were made as a result of it. In fact, when I read, it is my practice to omit them. But it has nothing to do with any doctrine or the doctrine of Trinity. The apostolic churches taught Jesus Christ is God the reason for the doctrine of Trinity.
John 1 creates super amounts of issues for non-trinitarians since the Word is recognized as creator of all things and then also recognized as Jesus. From Genesis one we know God created all things. But saying that Jesus revealed an unseen God is not contradictory. Why? Because divinity is unseen. Also Jesus revealed the God who has not been seen. That is not strange to say if He is God. It does not have to mean that God was never seen even after Jesus revealed him. It would be like me saying my biological father was unknown to me but my father made himself known to me. Or something like that.
Also in Acts 20 if you are saying it is either God or Lord then you have an issue. The Lord is recognized as God. So if there is one Lord and he has been recognized as God then it would seem someone called lord (in the sense of the verse in Acts 20) would be God. Same of Ephesians 4 or Thomas declaration that Jesus is Lord and God. Of course, God does not have blood to shed except in the one person of Jesus. So it would ot make any sense that there would be another passage that says that God (besides Jesus) shed his own blood. No Trinitarian would argue for that. Just making a statement that other passages say Jesus shed his blood does not really help unless you already assume by that that Jesus is not God. but really I do not show that you prove that this verse really speaks about Jesus unless you add more than what is in the text itself and interpret the text in just a certain way.
You also making a jump to say "blood of his own" is referring to Jesus. It could still just mean his own blood. You did not really give a good reason to just state that "his own" refers to Jesus. You have to insert something that is not in the text "son" to make it sound like it works.
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”- Isaiah 44:6
Then there is Jude. So Lord in one place you say is not God and then in Jude it is God? But Jesus is called Lord all the time in the NT. Ephesians 4 is one major one. So a textual variant of Lord does not help you.
Yes, Lord can refer to Jesus or it can refer to God, it depends on context. This is not something new I am proposing. Also, the reason to believe that "son" is properly supplied in Acts 20:28 is the similar phrase "his own son" τοῦ ἰδίου υἱοῦ in Rom. 8:32.
Do you see how in this verse you quoted, there can be no other God, besides the Father - “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.”- Isaiah 44:6
God uses singular pronouns and said there is no other God. He does not use "we" which God should if he consists of three persons, he uses "I."
LORD capitalized is from the tetragrammaton...YHWH. written approximately 7000 times in the OT. To say LORD and Lord have the same meaning is erroneous. Deuteronomy 18:15-19..the LORD says to Moses, l will raise up a Prophet like yourself( Moses ) and l will put my words in His mouth. That Prophet just so happens to be the Son of God, the Messiah. Psalm 110:1... David writes..the LORD says to my Lord sit at my right hand. YHWH says to my king or ruler. The word Lord does not mean God. The capitalised form LORD refers specifically to YHWH..the one and only true God as Jesus ( Yahshua) states in John 17:3 . Remembering that God is Spirit and it is the Spirit that gives life. HalleluYah.
Bro does not know Greek
You don’t have a problem with the Trinity, you have a problem with the deity of Jesus. Trinitarians give Jesus the “rank” of God, one of several distinct entities of equal rank, but Monarchians agree with the Bible record that Jesus is the express image of the invisible God. As God in flesh, Jesus is more than deity - Jesus is Yahweh Himself!!!
The closer the manuscripts were written to Alexandria, the more Trinitarian they were. Remember that the Romans had many gods and they were OK with the Trinitarian viewpoint. They were trying to figure out who Jesus was. The church, overstepped their boundaries and did not listen to anything Jesus said, and came up with their own views of Jesus.