The Troubles A Secret History Episode 5 (BBC Spotlight)
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- Episode five traces how unionist anger grew as IRA attacks on the security forces killed members of their community.
When Margaret Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, giving the Republic of Ireland political influence in the North, the anger spilled over into talk of insurrection.
The programme reveals how loyalist groups rearmed and used intelligence leaks from soldiers and police to boost their campaign of killing, including new information about MI5 agents operating inside the largest loyalist group, the Ulster Defence Association. - บันเทิง
Nice work again, Great job as I live overseas without iPlayer, so this is a great upload. Great work. Ten thumbs up and more!
You might enjoy this martin, it about internment in the Curragh Camp during the emergency of 1939-1940
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@@Monkiesocks56 Thanks for the upload. You should upload the video about Dennis Donaldson being a spy. It was a really good documentary.
I never knew or was taught about The Troubles. Watching this among doing other research has shown me a great deal about the conflict. Thank you for uploading
Like anything you watch you still have to remember whose making this film, the state owned British Broadcasting Corporation.
@@1969JohnnyM exactly...
@@1969JohnnyM true I remember as a kid in the 90s trying to educate myself on the situation over there. I'd watch sky or the bbc reporting about Drumcree for example. Then turn to cnn reporting the exact same thing, only it was aimed at American viewers. The two views miles apart.
When it comes to "Freedom for All Ireland" a Two-State Solution is unworkable and will be "Endless Troubles". Ireland must be Free from the Center to the Sea, for the Troubles to STOP!!!
If you ever visit Belfast I highly recommend doing the black cab tour, I am from Dublin and I thought I knew about the troubles but you will learn and see things you will never find in any documentaries especially a BBC doc
Johnny Adair and intelligence are words you rarely hear in the same sentence.
@Thomas Price Oh shiver me timbers
UDA and UVF would have been slaughter if weren't for help from Ulster Protestants in the British army.
That is funny, even to an Ulster Protestant.
@@RobertK1993 all terrorists to gethet
Wasn’t this trumpet chased out of N I ? He turned up here in Scotland with his family causing trouble! Guys a trumpet and so is his son MAD PUP😂💩
The directive for Pat Fanucans murder came from the highest level in the British state.
Collusion is no Illusion 😂🇬🇧
Britain a Terrorist State!!!
God does not send weapons of destruction and murder.
Yes Thacher gave the order 100% and good for her
Prove it? It's easy to level accusations. Show documented proof or recored confessions. Who at the highest level gave the go ahead, when and to whom?
"A Protestant parliament for a Protestant people" is a term that has been applied to the political institutions in Northern Ireland between 1921 and 1972 (wiki.) When you have been accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
The Catholics had A Catholic Parliament for A Catholic people it's called the Dáil Éireann 1919 to now.
@@wasp1218Close but no cigar.
@@mcooley88 I don't glorify anyone, I just hate hypocrisy.
Why did the Scotch/Irish who went to the American Colonies REBEL AGAINST THE CROWN??? What happened to LOYALISM???
@@jackietreehorn5561 why does everyone blame God. God created us but we CHOSE to do evil and we are CHOOSING other gods……..seduced by money, power, might, weapons, kingdoms etc. Dont bring God into it. It is man alone that has chosen to do these things. Just because BOTH sides show crosses or crucifixes means nothing if your heart is far from God. Protestants wud never have been against an all ireland years ago if it hadnt been for the roman catholic church oppressing (and abusing) its own people and using fear to do exactly that. Catholics dont want british rule and protestants dont want roman catholic rule? Both sides were shown to have colluded with the british, money, money, money……..wars are profitable didnt you know 😥. We all have to take the plank out of our eyes. We live in a fallen world. God bless
Did Johnny Adair just say he was army intelligence?!? I guess they don't set the bar high
D 1 ... ya he was a great killer of unarmed unsuspecting innocent civilians- fuckin coward is not allowed back in the North till this day
@@michaellinch5828 I and he floods the place with heroin in Belfast to this day and Scotland
@D 1 proberly better killer now with his dirty brown heroin he sells in Belfast and Scotland
James Macdonald ... backdoor Jon is still pumping H in Belfast ?
I didn’t know he still had friends there ? I guess he fool some young know nothings to do his dirt + many of his hard man ( loyalist)enemy’s are now dead & of course the ‘RA gun are silent
Dertrend 🇮🇪🤔🤔🤭🤣😂🤣😂😉👍👍👍👋
About 10 seconds in and the "Irish border" phrase gets trotted out. The Irish border is the coastline around the island of Ireland.
You should go to Shankill and tell them that...
@@georgeaye7535 you mean those murderous traitors of shankill road?
So why is the Union Jack flying over 6 counties?
Ballix
Only when the majority of the people in Northern Ireland agree.
Why do loyalist clergymen always whistle when they talk?!
"I will not be bludgeoned into admittanceeee by Shinn Fein IRA that I whisssstle when I speak, not without categorical and unilateral photographic evidencheeeeee"
🤣🤣
Aye very good 😂😂
They think Roman Catholics are subhuman
Why do priests take young boys into the Confession box
Thatcher. 'Another bottle of whisky and some more of that white powder. Now!'
Aren’t you brave.
That anyone could think Paisley was a man of God, or even a Christian. He was a demon in human form, and many of the flames and much of the blood of the Troubles was on his conscience.
I know eh...poor IRA angels. 🤦🏻♂️
@@bigxsnake Catholics within Northern Ireland were being murdered and oppressed. The IRA were no angels but they were fighting for the freedom of Irish Catholics from the tyranny of Protestant and Unionist regimes. Paisley and his followers were all evil, bigoted bastards
Blood on everyones hands.
@@berniestephens4506 sore loser haha
Exactly...the unionist parties had their hands in all the pies...many loyalist interviews speaks of them picking up arms due to paisleys rabble rousing...and then was ulster resistance that if hadn't got caught the blinkers would have went on
There was no winners here? Only 3500 casualties of this conflict.
Exactly but that doesn't stop keyboard warriors (most from the comfort of Boston, New York and the rest of the first world) from advocating a return to violence.
Let the people who live in NI live in peace and decide their future through their votes and peaceful process. Stop pretending that paramilitaries were freedom fighters and not armed thugs who dropped any 'moral code' the second it became an inconvenience.
Pointless waste of years and lives.
I was told by my boss to burn a pile of rubbish. I noticed something rolled up. Turns out it was the banner that was fixed to the top table in Ulster Hall the night Ulster Resistance was formed. I still have it. Didn't burn it as I thought to myself "there's a piece of history " This occurred about 20 years ago.
Great bit of history bud
Offer it to either the ulster museum or to the linenhall library. The latter has prob the finest troubles archive.
The devil will pay good bucks 4 it
Did they really go to South Africa just to show a hotel? What's the BBC's budget?
I thought that too in this series, had a good jolly trip to America too for little information
Brilliant documentary ....
The sectarian murders of The Troubles are really the most disturbing part of the whole thing
@david gallagher Tell it to those who died in Omagh
@@madzen112 if I shot your mother and father how would you react ? It ain’t easy to not go seek revenge and the killings go on and on and on its fucked been honest
@david gallagher You left out the IRA. Terrorists who rejected democratic methods until they finally realized they could not win militarily.
@david gallagher It was predominantly the UVF, UDA and PIRA, the British army largely did not practice sectarian murder. The PIRA killed about 150 sectarian murders under their "Republican action force" umbrellas and killed hundreds more civilians in bombings
The IRA killed more catholics than the British army and police combined, bizarre.
There is no such place as County Londonderry. Its County Derry.
A matter of opinion, really
@@seanmagee5669 Ulster Scots Presbyterians/Protestants call it Londonderry
The Union Jack flies over it ?
It's in the United Kingdom
It’s free Derry 🇮🇪32
Partition of Ireland was a big mistake by forcibly expelling Protestant population to mainland UK they would have avoided all of that what came later. I am Polish after WW 2 the Polish border was shifted west and all of the Germans who were living there were forcibly expelled and that same area was resettled by Polish people they should have done the same over here sorry i am blunt but that would have been the best solution and would have prevented this mess.
Reads like you support 'ethnic cleansing'. And do you really think the Germans and Russians won't try and carve Poland up again? I hope not, but history is repetitive.
I like the Poles, I really do. And what happened to your people in WW2 is horrific. But you have to admit the border shift after the war was just a land grab. I'm not saying it wasn't justified. At the time it felt like a just reward after the suffering of the Polish people during the war. But if nationalists in Germany ever take power again (I don't think they will), they'll want it back. It's the unfortunate reality of being a spill in a centuries old geopolitical conflict. Apart from the Swiss, no nation in Europe seems to be able to escape from it.
Didn't some nazis after the war blend in with the polish people? And go on the run? Like top concentration camp militants? Sad they never all got justice...sad too that Poland was infiltrated on both sides after the war...love polish people good craic
@@Raffini the allies too committed huge atrocities against the normal German citizens that's not ever talked about, what they went through was sickening ...there was no winners in that war
@@Raffini Ulster Protestants are welcome to come back into the Republic of Ireland
Finucane "a thorn in the side of the "security" forces? No, the "security" forces a thorn in the side of Ireland.
Thanks very much for the upload, I was working and could not see it.
I lived am old enough to rember all of the Troubles and it is bringing back all the memories and putting the pieces together, None of this content is any suprise apart from the number and scale of spys in the Republican movement and why the security forces intervened to save Gerry Adams from assassination. Thank God for the Peace.
Stop talking alot of shite,this was mostly about loyalist collusion and Paisley and his UR were giving guns to uda uvf etc,so stop trying to cover up what really went on,i mean everyone knows there were alot of touts in republican movement so sit up and smell the roses.🇮🇪🇻🇦
@@rambojp73 .Your first 5 written words undermined the rest of your argument.
@@patrickf2671 No they didn't.
The fools, the fools, the fools, they have left us are patriot dead and wild ireland holds dose graves, ireland unfree will never be at peace.
Let me get this right for you mate !!!!! ".......the fools, the fools, the fools! - they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."
@@Crusader-9 Get a job !
@@Crusader-9 Well done 👍 ( wasn't that grave side oration by Patrick Pearce??)
"they haven't gone away ya know" big beardy g
"Northern Ireland" is NOT a country.
🙄
mad?
I agree we should tell people that it doesn't exist but I keep getting thrown out of third grade Geography when I try prove it.
The Darkley Massacre. The animals that carried that out, how could they go on to lead normal lives and think what they did was right? Nausiating.
Murdered by IRA cowards. And they have their supporters still, including heroes posting comments here.
Paisley and Hitler such a similar speech style, he has the blood of thousands on his hands.
Ireland secretly supported Germany during WWII
@@tsar1547 Not true buddy.. We were officially neutral, but helped Britain & the Allies unofficially.. You only need to look up stuff like the Donegal corridor.. WW1, they helped with guns for the Easter Rising landed by the Asgard, but the bigger shipment was lost the weekend before the rising took place.. But they received no other help from them.. Irish weather reports helped D-day go ahead.. Around 50,000 Irish citizens fought for Britain in WW2 also..
@@stiofanofirghil1916 we also sent firemen aid up to Belfast during the blitz and that helped control the fires
@@johnsxn661 Yet another example.. I Didn't know that myself, thanks for posting.. 👍
Two incredibly based men
Ireland as one and love to all ☘Give Ireland back to the Irish ☘as someone said may year ago ☘
@johngillespie9632
Ireland will belong to Africans and Asians soon.
Come and take it
@@Didyeaye404Give it a few years of shitty British economic policy and a referendum, and you may just get what you’re asking for
I lived in Lisburn around the Anglo Irish agreement. After that speech loyalists went on the rampage and burnt like 60 catholic families out of their homes. We had wet blankets and fire extinguishers in almost every room
Brilliant upload ty much
Samy and peter Robinson and ian Paisley av the cheek to call Republican's terrorists
Back when I learned about this I remember a good few things but I didnt know that this was the reaction of the Anglo Irish agreement.
That's the reality of the troubles, people going about their life's while murderers creeped about spreading misery then wrapping their hate up in their cause.
You have perfectly described the uvf uff and the thatcher government sanctioned udr (, Ulster defence regiment) which was made of loyalist farmers no catholic needed to apply,and Maggie was the too recruiting poster girl the Irish cause ever had!!! Truth hurts doesn't it
@@davidhoins4588 You talking about your cause again?
Have to say class journalism well done we need to get on with each other
They mention an IRA attack at the start and the rest of the documentary is a one-sided bashing of Unionists. Very clever.
I don't see a united Ireland coming in my lifetime but I dearly wish you would All get on with each other better.
The people of mainland U.K were never offered a vote. On the main land I'm sure many would have voted, give Ireland back to the Irish....
Some delusional English like Noodle Appendage we I'll support Northern Ireland remaining in the UK.
They were given one in 2015, it wad called Brexit and achieved more to undermine the union than the IRA managed in 40 years. The best part of it all was the DUP backed it to the hilt.
Yea im sure Dublin could cope with the backlash from loyalist if that happened
@@TheStein474 Nah most of them would leave and go to England to be "British". Then they can experience the anti Irish racism that I received in England and be called "paddy irishman" etc. Then we can all giggle and laugh as they are made aware that little old Britain despises them. At this point, a united Ireland is inevitable.
@@TheStein474 the Irish will be waiting...🇮🇪🍀
The UK gov says they'll help - Unionists celebrate - the way the UK gov helps is seen as bringing the Republic more into the affairs of the North - the Unionists feel betrayed because they played themselves.
If history doesn't repeat it sure as hell rhymes. lmao It only took a day for Brexit to go from a celebrated event to "The Betrayal Act" as far as staunch unionists were concerned. When will they learn that the British government 'helps' by passing the buck?
Thanks for up loading
Never done nobody no harm . Strange hearing this former UDR man , essentially B Specials rebranded with different uniforms. Very few or no catholics joined this organization because they would simply not be welcomed:We lived in Rostrevor, a well known national and often had to travel through heavily loyalist areas patrolled by B Specials .. Trauma is used a lot nowadays but I say personally this was traumatic for my parents and children . Stopped searched held for hours because of where you lived .
Great documentary...............
Attacking non combatants is truly dreadful behaviour.
Margret Thatcher was a rough looking dude.
thanks for the speedy upload
In my next D&D campaign, I'm going to name my fighter cleric Ian Paisley
I wonder why London let loyalists do they're march. It is a unnecessary provocation
Look at the history of Presbyterianism and where those so-called loyalist came from !!! Every single one of them was sent by the crown hundreds of years ago to breed the Irish out of Ireland !!! Generations later they may consider themselves as Irish ( absolutely not ) and they remain loyal to the crown that sent them !!!
UDR.. The Irish version of the Black Watch.. Turning Irishman, on Irishman, all for the good of England.. David, the Ex-UDR soldier saying we never did anyone any harm is rich!! Patrolling roads with a machine gun, the only reason they didn't hurt anyone is only due to not getting a chance too!! Walking around with a gun, ready to use it at any moment is hardly a peace loving persuit!!
And finucane was an 😇
Good old religion look where it got us I don’t want it as an ex Udr soldier I and many of us were out risking our lives for everyone I stood by my catholic childhood friends if some loyalist killed or stood between me and my innocent catholic friend of foe I would have used my weapons be clear we weren’t all bigoted our politicians stirred the shit I’d cried for the day when our politicians came together and sorted their shit out what we have is not perfect yet but a united ireland is not far away we can live together as generations die new ones will bring us peace very rotten murder makes me sick all those lives why religion
@@darrinmcneill534 Exactly Darrin, religion.. The root cause of most of our worlds fighting.. I'm not for a minute saying all UDR were the same, just like not all Irish Republicans were.. Many never stuck to the cause of Wolfe Tone or Emmet Republicanism.. An Ireland for all, regardless of religion, race, or class.. I'd love a United Ireland, but those opposed must be made feel it's their land too.. My wish now is that we suffered that, so our children can live together in peace..
I still find difficult to comprehend how life means so little to people. Who use anything to justify brutal murder of anyone at anytime or place. How can this square up with anything.
bit curious that a lot of these folks are members of parliament now....
When you take an outer person land ,what do you expect us to do ,lay down and say" thanks "we the people of Ireland have another answer
All of mi5 and mi6 have blood on their hands, all the way too the top, lost a chip don't give me shit
I'm still astonished that Michael Stone wasn't turned into paté, either that day or shortly thereafter.
Very surprising.. it makes you wonder...
He took a real hiding when caught after the cemetary attack - was in and out of consciousness and got a dislocated hip. The crowd tried to bundle him in to a car and take him away but his life was saved by the RUC last minute..
God almighty. If I wasn't depressed before I sure am now.
No faith in humanity whatsoever.
7.20 what a fool.
Rebel Gael gay
Ah Sammy Wilson's "No camera's or tape recording" is the funniest. Captain Mainwaring couldn't have said it better.
I’m an American Catholic who was born after the Good Friday Agreement and never learned about the Troubles in school. I’m genuinely confused about something and would greatly appreciate someone with a better understanding explaining it to me. Why are Northern Irish Unionists so loyal to England? It seems like English politicians don’t reciprocate that loyalty. Especially after Brexit, where Northern Ireland was left in geopolitical limbo, I don’t understand why people think Westminster has northern Ireland’s best interests at heart. I apologize if my question makes me look dumb or is offensive. I’m not trying to argue with anyone. Just trying to learn more about the situation.
It is not to England whom unionists owe their loyalty, it is the crown and Britain as a whole the loyalty is owed to. Many unionists would say that the queen is the only person they have loyalty to, and that they certainly owe no loyalty or trust towards British politicians. Fundamentally, most unionists are descendants of protestants brought over from Scotland (and England) during the plantation of Ulster. At the time of the plantation (1600s) there was understandably a lot of tension and conflict between these new settlers and those already living in Ulster. Because of the hostility towards the protestant settlers they developed a defensive attitude. They were under threat, and looked to England and Scotland for continued protection. This continued for the next few centuries. In this time, the North east of Ulster, where the highest concentrations of protestant settlers lived, became the most economically developed part of Ulster. By the 1800s Belfast was an important British industrial hub, and North east Ulster had a lot more in common with other British industrialised areas and cities like Liverpool and Glasgow. So not just ideologically, but economically, Ulster was closer to the rest of Britain than the rest of Ireland. It must be noted though, that loyalty to Britain and the crown is not necessarily blinding loyalty; a key part of unionism is a fundamental distrust of English motives. As a defensive community fearful of being attacked, unionists looked to Britain for support, but they were also weary and conscious of the fact that they could be betrayed by Britain at any time. For example when home rule was floated in the late 1800s, unionists were very alarmed, and saw it as Westminster betraying them. This is why the original UVF was formed to stop unionists being ruled from Dublin in an Irish administration, where they feared for their position. Unionists have always feared repercussions should they be ruled from Dublin in an Irish state, hence the defensive attitude towards maintaining the link with Britain. However equally, unionists know that the situation is precarious, so it is paramount to aggressively defend the link to Britain. The sad consequence of the sometimes questioning loyalties of England and Scotland towards northern Ireland meant that unionists felt the need to firmly buttress their position when they finally got a free hand, after the partition of Ireland. It was because of the fear of being cut off from the rest of the UK that the unionist governments from the 1920s onwards tried to exclude Catholics from the apparatus of the state as much as possible, so as to protect unionism. This sadly cascaded into overkill and was partly responsible for The Troubles in the end. This is my opinion as someone born to Northern Irish parents living in England
@@pingu255 who's that loyalty go to now Charlie 🤣🤦
@@pingu255 some of your dates are wrong too. Uvf wasn't formed until late 1912/13 🤣🇮🇪
The unionists are loyal to anyone that can help them but they don't recipicate that. Just look at the news paper reports in England around the 12th of July during ww2. So many fat men walking the streets when England needed recruits for war then came the outcry from the bombed cities of the English people. Fickle bunch are the loyalist/unionists. Carson warned them about the Tories but for a few shilling they put them into power🤣🤣
@@Ryan-xz4te I know that's when the UVF was formed, I wasn't saying it was founded in the 1800s, just that it was founded as a result of the continuation of the processes towards home rule begun in the 1800#
Someone must have benefitted from all this carnage.
Maggie?
@@dylanj.wadham5103 Well,, she was knighted after all.
@@dylanj.wadham5103 oh yes, must have been Thatcher who started it for her own benefit, 10 years before she was even elected. Jesus, she's been out of office for 32 years and dead for 10 or more but she's still living in your head rent free.
Arms dealers
Why kill people in a church?
D 1 ᛉ at a graveyard yes
Sitting ducks
Because they were and are scum
Has the hand of the fru all over it
@@JWB86 That was the I.N.L.A. They would make the I.R.A. look like choir boys, as they were a lot more vicious.
I was leery to watch a documentary on the troubles by the BBC....and it didn't disappoint. No historical foundation laid first on Scottish families given free land in Ireland in 1605. Or the atrocities of Cromwell in Ireland....who liked to kill them by the church load. And I know...I come from a family (The Cosbys) that were sent to Ireland by Queen Elizabeth I to take land and murder as many Irish men as possible, which resulted in the Battle of Stradbally Bridge.....which I truly feel shame and regret about. Oh well at lest this documentary confirms what we all already knew....Red hand=Red Coats.
I'm Australian and take no side on this topic. However, the documentary is about the 1980's and not the whole issue going back to 1605. There are plenty of top documentaries about the distant time periods (Cromwell etc) you mention - especially from the BBC.
@@darrenmonks4532 Oh Ok. So lets talk about Germany in the 50's and nothing before that.
@@tomakafrankconlon3207 Groan. So if BBC made a documentary about Germany in the 1950's they should spend a heap of the episode firstly discussing Germany in the 17th century. Most viewers would switch off after 5 minutes.
@@darrenmonks4532 Groan. Jesus you are a fool.
@@tomakafrankconlon3207 Nope I just appreciate a good documentary which is titled to focus on the immediate subject. I've watched heaps of doco's via the BBC and others about the early origins of the Irish troubles. This doco is not about that. Sadly, making personal attacks just deters people from giving any credit to your political views. For a "fool" I've somehow managed some heavy University credentials in modern history.
We are as always OPEN TO DISCUSSING THEIR ENTRY
The DUP…what an awful bunch 😐
Brian Nelson was in the Black Watch for a time before being kicked out because he was lazy and a useless soldier but the UDA took him with open arms, shows how pathetic these organizations really were. They were just people who got a kick out of killing and causing great pain and suffering to the Catholic community.
4:30... And that's why British soldiers in the cuds never patrol down roads.
Ian paisley sounds like the baddy outta hammer horror
I was a kid in Belfast in 1988/89 and remember thinking that in time the European Union would make it all irrelevant when we had the same EU rights and boarderless travel. I was right as it turned out and only ingrained tribalism remained. Ironically it has been the UK leaving the EU that has made a united Ireland a realistic prospect
Our border is the IRISH SEA …..let it be so naturally
Still hate Thatcher. 🤮
I doubt she gave a hoot about you .
Maggie took no shit off the republicans
🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
She was the commmander and chief in the, so called, "dirty war"
@@seanmagee5669 Good point. She's still hated on Merseyside to this day for Toxteth, Hillsborough etc.
PS. Fact is, Thatcher took no shit from anyone, Republican or Loyalist. After all, the "Anglo-Irish agreement"-that was strenuously opposed by all shades of Unionism- was Thatchers brain child.
@@seanmagee5669 Yeah despite my personal opinion., I'd agree. Also throw in the Falklands and Iranian embassy siege.
Can you allow it to be downloaded please?
Sound for speedy upload
Darkley was an appallingly sectarian attack but the IRA was not a sectarian organization. Had the IRA been a sectarian organization nobody in the Catholic/nationalist community throughout Ireland and abroad would have supported it. The sectarianism in the conflict was encouraged and perpetrated almost solely by unionists. This extended right into political parties, their silly Orange Order and infamously their RUC and UDR, so forgive me if I don't shed any tears for them when they faced retribution.
hoopenhanger love the way you just bloody pass over the blatantly SECTARIAN darkly attack committed by the INLA, a supposed ally of the IRA and organisation you’d no doubt support behind your little back.
Epic Gandalf Guy well said...The Ira are not sectarian lol lol I suppose they are not anymore because the dissidents are now killing Catholic reporters
I didn't pass over the blatantly SECTARIAN darkly attack, you drunken fool.
The IRA were just as sectarian as the loyalist paramilitaries, La mon, Kingsmill just to name a few
I was wondering when the whataboutery would begin. You people are so predictable.
I understand that this was all 40 years ago. What I do not understand is how the reality of the situation was not as obvious to the Loyalists then as it is now. They had two choices, and ONLY two choices: 1) Keep the British there and opn their side or 2) Accept that their new Capital was Dublin.
It does not matter which side you were (are) on, those were their ONLY two choices.
If they thought for one second that they were going to fight the Republic of Ireland, without the British doing most of the work for them, they were delusional.
WHAT province? 6/9 of a province!
When talking about modern Ireland one thing that needs to be mentioned was how a Protestant Irish Parliament successfully gained independence for Ireland between 1782 and 1800, during which time Catholics got most of their rights back, with most Irish people of different faiths uniting under the ideologies of either constitutionalism or Republicanism, with both in favour of varying degrees of Irish sovereignty/autonomy and increased personal rights.
This independence ended when a failed Republican Revolution in 1798 led British prime minister William Pitt to intimidate and bribe the Irish Parliament into merging the Kingdom Ireland into the UK after an initial Union vote failed. Ireland’s Parliament was forced to merge with The British one (though the courts and civil service of Ireland remained separate, but nominally subject to Westminster from now on).
People on both sides seem to have completely forgotten this chapter in Irish history, because Protestants and Catholics fighting together for an independent Irish Kingdom doesn’t fit anyone’s narrative, and yet it had a major impact on the island. Unionism, Republicanism and Constitutionalism all originate from the original Irish volunteers that used the opportunity of the American Revolution distracting Britain to revolt in 1782. This heralded the independence and has shaped all aspects of Irish politics ever since..
Very interesting and not well known i suspect. 🤔
You seems to be well informed about it, what book would you recommend on the subject of “troubles” for non Irish like me to get better understanding of all this, thanks
@@Mujcanal to be honest these documentaries are the easiest way to digest the vast extent of this information quickly: th-cam.com/play/PL2Ms3UVVn-WxSs8yMiwn2zrQ9ZbfNQRxv.html&si=M__lfxizuIR4NI07
Thank you I will check them out, @@Jim54_
Most I know about this was a book called across the barricades .
History keeps repeating itself
3 is 3 too many and my prayers go to the families but in such a circumstance one would think many more would have been killed. Do we know why? RIP.
they've got all the way to part 5, and no memtion at all of Bernadette d|evlin.
Our day is coming fast and heretics know it...the game is over..800 years..now its our time very soon.
Remember we are not leaving,,we have time...like Afganistan we are the native people and here to stay..
It's not ever going to happen in your lifetime--still, only 28% of Northern Ireland identifies as Irish.
That's hilarious since 100% of the people born in the Six Counties of Northern Ireland are Irish, simply British into the bargain.
Paisley eventually became a parody of himself! #Gobshite
The lady journalist has a dangerous bite
30:36 in the video....is that Jim Mcdonald out of Coronation Street??
Ian paisley was the torch paper that lit most of the troubles , what a horrible man
Years after the GFA, someone asked Martin McGuinness why the Provos had never tried to assassinate Paisley, and he said "And why would we do that, he was our best recruiter?"
Gerry was a saint no doubt
@Doctor Detroit never said that but people being burnt out their homes and paisley's bigotry started it
How paisley was not murdered in the most brutal fashion boggles my mind !! Gerry and Martin would be the other 2 I’m shocked made it out ! Martin was attaching bombs to alarm clocks day in day out how none of them went off while setting is just crazy
If only Paisley would speak up a bit, you can hardly hear him........
20:14....Where in the world is Sythe Africa?
Seth Efrika 😃
We are ready
25 min 13 seconds in, she's in Durban, but infront of a building with Killarney in massive capital letters.. On purpose?!🤷😆
There’s a township called Killarney in Cape Town also …named by Irish troops in Boer war…
She was very lucky she escaped
Paisley was the devil in plain sight used the cloth just like all the others to protect him
Did Ivan Foster ever take up arms?
Monkiesocks, any possibility of you uploading Spotlight Kevin Lunney interview ?
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@@Monkiesocks56 I genuinely appreciate that my friend.
Keep up the good work.
Rgds. Nick
Loyal to who. They stole a British anti tank weapon and gave it to Africa South Africa
09.30:
Looks like they're also committed to the destruction of the trailer they're standing on, too..
#thumbsuponmonday
And people do complain about the Taliban. 🙄
Och did they "cleyim", Mandy?
Ireland under the tri colour flag . World familiar with the great Rev Paisley , N Ireland s version of Mahatma Ghandi Nelson Mandela Dr King and Archbishop Tutu. Remember his contempt of Mrs Thatcher re the Anglo Irish agreement . I grew up in the UK lived there and survived eight plus attacks by the IRA. I liked Rev Paisley but always believed the British had no right being there .I am for a united Ireland as it should have been from when it all started with Charles Ist.
Ian Paisley .What a star. British hero. Yes or no?
I am the Milky Bar Kid. Born Merseyside, Raised Forest Gate. Never been political. Slaughtered in my country, England due to my Good and Kind IRB grandfather trying to help people understand Democracy.
Wheres my Juggs?
i would love to know how meny have irish passports
Even lots of unionist people have Irish passports, less hassle in immigration in some places lol..
I am so disappointed in this series. The first episodes with the first journalist were really good. Balanced and human centered. From there, it seems to have just descended into british propaganda after episode 2 with suddenly no mention of anything the ulster paramilitary groups were doing after 1980. Leave it to the BBC
at least they seem to be talking about it a bit in this episode. They still skipped over a lot of unionist atrocities though
HEY! HEY! 🇺🇸 🇮🇪
Just let the Troubles generation die out and then see how things go.
What a mess
Does anyone know why the presenter changed after part 2?
Not republican enough
My best guess is that it's for reasons of balance (in journalism? What a novel concept!) - or at least the perception of balance. The first gentleman seemed to look more favorably on the Republican movement. The first lady seemed the exact opposite - and also liked to walk around for some reason, and focused more on the intelligence/COIN side of things - though most of that is pure speculation and little hard truths have come out on the topic. This lady seems more invested in the sectarian side of things.
They have different journalists to explain different aspects of the conflict from different points of view. I liked the first presented the best, but maybe that's just my own bias coming into play.
I think the topics in the documentary were split up to be handled by different groups so that each segment could retain its own focuse, and so each segment had its own narrator. Instead of one large project, it's a series of 5 or 6 projects that all fit under the umbrella of the IRA documentary.
I think they ran out of stock footage to support the narrative so they got a lady with great legs to walk around the various points of interest while she told the story in voice over
Really, 'The Troubles' is as follows: An Irish rebellion in Northern Ireland from 1969-1972/3. Thereafter the British cleverly 'won the war' by taking control of it and dividing the people against themselves. The only reason they 'folded' their war games in Northern Ireland in the mid-90s was because the US had major Mid-East war games lined up and needed the British to redirect and apply their 'cleverness' there.
You obviously haven't a clue what you're talking sbout. Cleverly divided them because of a rebellion? There was a pro British community denying civil rights to a nationalist community by brutally repressing them. The nationalists welcomed the British troops initially expecting them to protect them. If there was a rebellion it was one created by the atrocities those forces proceeded to commit. If the British won how come they had to sit and negotiate an agreed settlement. You might want to look up how much tax British spend to maintain Northern Ireland in the UK. There is too much division there to ever have real peace. It will drain British expenditure indefinitely. Britain didn't win in Northern Ireland. They lost through an own goal.
Absolutel bollocks
Sounds about white.
@@seanflynncontact Sean I came from a deprived family in South London .I joined the army to get myself out of poverty .I can honestly say that even as an uneducated lad I had never seen such poverty and drprevation .
I deployed to Londonderry in 69 .My battalion went into the bogside .We were welcomed by the community and I still have letter given to me from the civil rights movement as it was then welcoming me .
The Catholic community were discriminated against for housing and jobs .Unemployment amongst the Catholic community was much higher than protestant communities .It was s for of apartheid.
I went onto serve three further tours all in Belfast through the bloody seventies .
I always think outside the box and if England had been anexed by another country I wonder how we would have reacted .
I hold no candle for the IRA or the UVF/ UDA.
I wish northern Ireland peace and reconciliation.
@@bordersbhoy5284 Thanks ,that's a great constructive response to a reasonable post from me .
Pity you haven't the ball's to use your own name .
All of them were cur …..and THIS MADNESS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN ….THIS TIME WE DO WHATS RIGHT AND LEAVE THEM TO THEIR WAR….WE want nothing to do with these people ever again
It's a pity your ancestors didn't take that line...
It would seem that when these types of conflicts happen it ends up getting to a point where thugs and power hungry people hijack it and just want to keep sowing chaos and despair. I think both sides did this after watching this whole documentary. It seems like that Gerry Adams dude was bad he def did those murders. I also don't blame that Frazier dude considering 4 of his family members were killed the IRA. At the same time seems he went overboard too.
10:47 not even trying to be funny I didn't know there was even that many people in Northern Ireland. That has to be twenty or thirty thousand people maybe even more
Ta se in am don AONTACHT
It’s a dirty business for clean people .