Why Does Mariah NEED To Overdub Her Live Performances?
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mariah’s overdubs simply come from unfair standards from her abusive ex husband(who was also the head of sony forcing mariah to be in his image, like a whitney houston type singer) and public scrutiny expecting her to make dramatic songs every year with nodules. i feel mariah’s story should be remembered and used to protect future singers expected to be perfect.
I couldn't agree with this sentiment more. well said.
She even called the house she shared with motola 'sing sing" cause she wasn't free and she was expected to be the perfect vocalist and a studio worm delivering( write/sing and produce) album after album ,hit after hit and then record new vocales for the remixes and that was a contract for 10 years straight. as fans we got the soundtrack of our life and even if the person is not a fan he/she can't deny that her catalogue is arguably the hardest in mainstream modern music,but she was pushed to the limit and the standard for her keeped being so high cause from day one the label dubed a lot of her performances and made them perfect even if they already were superhuman level , so even now in her 50 s the media still gives her hell if she messes up a live performance ,and even when she delivers you'll find people argue wether it was lipsynced/live or dubbed.....
@@LesageSinging look most of these undubbed videos are fake. Don't join these people down this rabbit hole. Especially the videos of the MTV UNPLUGGED. Those audio clips are fake
@@livai1915 The funny part about it is that many singers at her stage in their career have fell off seriously hard. Yes she has bad days but she can do her songs decently well or spun them in interesting and new ways. Her new extended version of We Belong Together is one of my faves.
@Day A whole ass sermon but facts. One of the things I loved about her remix era is that they were almost never lazy "put the vocal track on new background music". She always would rip it apart and recompose it often recording new sections.
Lesage Singing, an old Mimi fan here. Been with her since 1990. Every single performance you analyzed was dubbed in post-production because it was a television special or a VHS product. She is a perfectionist, but I guarantee it is the result of whatever production company owns the rights to the performance.
In fact, the vast majority of 'live' Mimi performances on youtube, unless they are from a cellphone, are sourced from those old TV/DVD specials from the 90s. For instance, the undubbed vocals for Tokyo Dome have never been released... as it was only filmed to make a music video for 'Forever' and a concert VHS.
I have a hard time believing you've been a fan since 1990. The 90's made for tv sessions aren't dubbed. They are specifically filmed like Unplugged. The artist sings the same song 2-3 times back to back and focuses on singing it differently each time to give the best of the best of their vocal ability. The different takes are mixed and matched to different degrees. It's a cut and paste of the performances that night, not dubbed.
I think a lot of the decisions to dub her performances were down to her record label.
You're actually right, Mariah Carey is such a perfectionist artist that's why she dubbed some of her performances, you can even see how she crafted her discography very well in the studio. And lastly, I like her undubbed performances too.
"Filmed on a toaster" DEADDDDDD!!! Just wait until you see the lamb fan-cam footage from her concerts that look like they're filmed with a TI-84
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Ah yes Majority of Charmbracelet and TEOM
To me its all about quality control.
Fun fact: The song My All is actually an unfinished song. During the time she started writing My All she was inspired in Latin guitar because she went to Puerto Rico for vacations. Mariah Carey was overwhelmed at the time, she was divorcing her abusive ex husband Tommy Mottola who was the head of Columbia Records and te man that signed her in 1988 when she was backup singer of Brenda K star, Brenda always thought that Mariahs place was not as back up but as the star so she took her to a party they handed the demo to Mottola, when he was leaving he played it in his limo and immediately went back because he could not believe how talented she was. In 1998 she had to jump his authority and straight went to speak with the head of Sony music to find a way to finish her contract early. She managed to convince them but they asked for another studio album, a remixes album and Greatest hits album (thats why Rainbow was written in 6 months and released in 8 months after her last studio album. Going back to My All she had nailed 90% of the lyrics qnd had a melody she played in her h3ad and then sang the melody to her long collaborator Walter Affanasief so he worked Mariah rhythm into a mellow, tender piano ballad and he was going to help her finish the bridge in the song but because differences and Mottola's ego he was forbidden to work with Mariah so out of respect to his contributions she decided that instead of a lyrical bridge, she simply vocalize and harmonized with the backup singers before the climax. So maybe the whistle could've been added, we will simply never know the production Mariah had in mind
I appreciate you putting so much thought and time into a comment. I didn't know she had to go through all that.
Rainbow was written in 3 months
I don't think MTV was dubbed. I think they did 2 takes and took the best parts only. After all, she WAS trying to prove to the critics that she was not a studio artist.
Her Whistle turned to a belt. Just wow
it didn't turn into a belt. She whistled and belted at the same time, i think it's called polyphonic whistle
@@batch9518 It was a raspy whistle. When that happens, your voice forces you to go into a lower and more reliable register, so she just went into mixed voice.
Some of the undubbed are audience recordings from the same event and not professional recordings. That would explain why it sounds like she is far away or that the sound is coming directly from the speakers at the concert.
I don't know why most people don't get that. They'll look at the professional performance, than they audience recording and think they're hearing two different things. Instead, it's exact same performance vs. exact same performance.
1. She may have been forced to dub (Tommy Motorola wanted her to be unrealistically perfect). That made her highly critical of herself and in-turn turned her into a crazy perfectionist.
You could see the joy of simply singing and experimenting with her voice (example SNL rehearsal or Who's loving you cover) go away slowly as time went on. She was focused on perfecting every note.
2. Many of the dubbed often seem to be for audio quality control.
Of course, sometimes she had too much rasp/voice crack/unsustained notes or w.e she wanted to fix.
Take for instance:
MSG 1995 (better undubbed imo)
MTV Unplugged (Full undubbed concert is 99% the same--I watch it often)
Divas Live
Tattoo club debut (Undubbed is 😍. The rawness of the voice and slight imperfection gave it character--she uploaded the undubbed for MC30)
Duet with Pavarotti
These and a few others did not need it. I adore the imperfection in them and she still showcased incredible vocal prowess.
People are always on her about it or question her talent. Like bro, there are a ton of incredible undubbed performances by Mariah, relax. Also, dubbed doesn't always mean the entire thing was fixed. Often times, it's minor parts, with most of the live audio staying the same.
Plus, there are studio stems or a capellas that show her singing her face off (Emotions, one sweet day with just MC, Joy to the world, Outside, O holy Night, Hark! The herald, Anytime you need a Friend etc).
MSG 95 is not better undubbed, let be real. All the most impressive explosive high belts were never executed live and thats disappointing.
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That's your prerogative. Many persons prefer the undubbed of MSG...so what? We dgaf that YOU don't like it.
Mariah has literally done mid to high belts with crazy resonance completely live on many occasions over her career...even way after her prime. I could place some links here but I don't care to prove anything to you.
The last performance of Hero in that compilation was actually her first public appearance after her public "breakdown" in 2001. The Whitney collab was a few years before that.
Additionally, she was forced into a rehab center by her brother and her own mom and she was just released from that center due to the 911 attack. I'm surprised she even performed given she said they had her on heavy sedation meds during her stay there.
Did you know her whistles are polyphonic, she can have 2 sounds come out at the she time. So the whistle was 2 sounds
As you said, Mariah is a notorious recording perfectionist. and for a singer who goes thru vocal acrobatics she may get some imperfections here and there, and she can't let them go published officially. Some of the dubs are just her creative choices or balancing the overall audio experience. What makes it ugly is today, she is so conscious, perfectionist yet lazy, she just sings live with tons of prerecorded tracks that she sounds miming all the time.
We also have to remember that there are haters out there editing her videos to make it seem like she's off key or can't sing, so we should take that into account.
Excuses... Mariah is a legend regardless of her dubbing everyone knows she earned her legendary status she went through a lot of abuse from her ex husband but Mimi can sang that's why the greats love her too no need to make excuses
Without you live at MSG undubbed version is insane and way better than the dubbed!
Dubbed or un.... she always pulls through and sounds amazing. Her voice is one of a kind.
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She overdubs only in 1990-1996 after that she never rlly overdub. I think thats because if her husband tommy motor oil.
Lies, a lot of her stuff after 1996 is dubbed too.
@@Sttephy30 yeh but mainly for better quality only. But not changing vocals. And i meant after 2000 why tf did i said 1997. Tommy left her after 2000 tho they divroced at 1997. After 2000 she barely overdub. She still dubbs but she does not change tol much vocals. There are times tho but still .
@@DaydreamCarey1234 Her You and I performance at the stevie wonder tribute in 2002 is easily her most dubbed performance, literally every other note was redone. And a lot of the parts were straight up redone.
@@Rizzlergoblin578 Actually no, thats the least redone 💀 what they only did is made Mariah’s vocals louder than bg singers. The most dubbed were probably 2006 TEOM and 2022 Xmas one and all
@@DaydreamCarey1234 Ahh alr, But still way too many notes were changed, not saying it was completely redone but the “high” belts were all mostly redone besides one. And in the undubbed her lows sound shaky and her vowels and enunciations are different than the dubbed, while the lows in the dubbed are literally perfect and don’t sound like they only dubbed the quality. Most of it wasn’t really even close to the undubbed if you actually listen closely, way more than half of it was re-sung. Ik a lot was dubbed from TEOM as well. There was also those My all performances in 1999-2000 which made them sound worse😂
fun fact the hero performance with Pavarotti was one of the first time she sang the song in original key again after music box era where she started lowering it to -1 semitone, also the MTV unplugged one was her first concert where she had to sing an entire setlist of her songs without a break, plus in her early years she said she had quite a bit of stage fright, thus why i think she sounds very nervous there
i highly doubt she had any say in what was dubbed and what not. especially when a lot of these performances were made to be released on tape/dvd
and if artists do in fact have a say, i’d like to know! or if people can show that she does have control over this
early in her career she probably had no say. when with a label, they own the masters and video to DVD. I end up enjoying the undubbed versions.
@@LesageSinging i think we all do!
the whistle went into two voices by 34:00 min polyphony (many-voices).
That part whistle where pavarotti also peform, I pratice that till I got it perfect , because i thought it was so beautyfull
A lot of these to me are not even dubbed….and the ones that are were for DVD purposes
bro don't lie to yourself. All of these are dubbed, but we're not saying that every Mariah video is dubbed. Only one in this video and others. If you're a lamb, you won't say that
@@batch9518 yea it’s really not that deep, doesn’t change the price of bread for me. I just noticed a lot of times the dubbed vocals are literally identical but just sound cleaner. I honestly don’t care that much though lol.
Some of these are definitely just audio quality differences
@@gamerpasserby6308 i know it's very crazy that people act like most of these are some crazy way of her covering up bad vocals or something.. Yes it's obvious she changed the notes on some but the majority is literally just audio quality changes
Wait so she didnt hit that note for Hero madison square garden?? Could u pls explain.. so dubbed means that she was live but she later goes in a studio and records vocals for the tv/dvd version? Or are the vocals extracted from what she sang live already and edited? Pls explain lol
These were all big televised performances or went to DVD. They used Take 2 for Emotions so not even sure why they added Take 1 in here.
ty for letting me know SB
you should react to a mariah concert, there’s a few recent ones from people in the audience with clear and remastered audio/video footage
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MSG undubed is actually from a camera. From a personal View I prefer everytime her undubed Vocals. everytime she dubs or lip something is lost... The little imperfections are why we want live versions that gives the actual soul to the singing. if i wanted perfection and album version i would hear the studio version.. (Mariah seems to really hate when her vocals gets raspy but her natural tone/voice is really raspy cause of the nodules and its amazing to me. at divas live the big part when she sings "your body NEEEXT" the undubbed is more raspy but 10 times better cause the dubbed is strained and weird.) Hero is better undubbed with pavarotti.. the dub made so much tonal layers to vanish...at mtv unplugged her voice was really smooth and she has stayed that when her chest/full voice is really good and warmed up her whistles are not that strong/good that is the case here.... Hero from 2001 lost so much emotion at the dubbed its a shame... anyway For example soul singers are ALWAYS better at live performances.. Aretha/Patti I only like them live.. i really cannot feel it at studio
I wouldn’t be surprised if she was forced to dub her performances. At that time she had no control of her career.
She’s a perfectionist. And she is plagued with insecurities. Trust me, no one forced her to dub her performances, the same way no one forces her to be obsessed with good lighting and making sure she is always filmed on her good side.
@GILBERT GONZALEZ JR TV you gotta remember that the lighting and the angle thing was because of a comment made about her face. Her perfectionism in her vocals could've been something Tommy instilled in her.
@@GilbertGTV She was told she had a bad side and that’s why she got insecure about it. Maybe if you read a little about her life on the 90s, you’d know.
@@GilbertGTV “Trust me, no one forced her to dub her performances” umm funny, where you there? And also dub or not it’s still her voice lmao
@@Diegoft2ignore this guy, he’s a no life celine rider lol
Would love love love to see you analyze Vision of Love live Zurich Charmbracelet Tour. It’s incredible and there’s raw footage on TH-cam
Her dubbing makes her voice sound brighter. I can clearly hear it if you look at the back of all of her live stuff it usually shows it was dubbed like her Tokyo concert. For me mariah is an awesome studio singer she makes magic in the studio, live she aiight! That my opinion, I grew up in Whitney, Donna summer and Patti Labelle, Teena Marie so my live standard is pretty High!
Whitney especially, she was a beast vocalist live from 1980's 'til about 1999.
@@Sttephy30 Whitney's vocal prime ended after the Bodyguard era
This screams to me you have never heard mariah sing live in person and just on tv shows....
From what I've learned from her is that, not only does she try to perfect the vocals and the audio quality to her standards, but she's also really specific in what she wants to hear in the overall sound of a performance similar to a song especially with the instrumentation. Though, there have been times where I've considered her dubs in some performances to be questionable, like her recorded show in Japan for her Butterfly World Tour (1998).
There she basically used some undubbed and first take vocals from Madison Square Garden 1995 in two performances (Make It Happen and Vision Of Love). I've observed that she did these in post, therefore they're dubbed, not lipped, but I can't help but wonder why she would do such a thing. I believe it would've sounded fine if she just recorded a fresh dub for the DVD to keep consistency, but the fact that the vocals she took from MSG were the ones she covered up/dubbed initially for the DVD of that show is just odd. Still, her dubs are quite phenomenal on most occasions where she didn't take vocals from another performance, but I really like what she sounds without it, plus some work on the production part to make these vocals sound clearer and more audible.
I honestly prefer a FLAWED but honest vocal performance, rather than a perfect FAKE one. I think Mariah is pretty much like Beyoncé in this sense. They're perfectionists and they can't accept anything but flawless performances. Beyoncé actually lip-syncs a lot, probably as much or more than Mariah, but she's smart about it and pre-records her vocals. That's why she never sounds out of breath even when dancing. I honestly would prefer her to sound out of breath or bad at times, but get the real deal.
Beyonce lips a lot to preserve her voice, and don't risk damaging it.
A lie from the pits of hell. Beyoncé sings live with a backup track or backup singers. Unlike Mariah, Beyoncé isn't interested in replicating studio vocals. In fact she outdoes it and switches up her vocal arrangements. Celine Dion is the queen of lip syncing
You're just pressed Beyoncé has the vocal stamina and skill to sustain her voice, without cracking like most of your pedestrian faves singing
@@SteadyNUnremitting No we're just unbiased and have functioning eyes and ears. All major artists lip sync including Beyonce, not our fault you choose to ignore the clear evidence out there. Literally takes 1 TH-cam search.
Beyonce has backup singers who sound almost like her.
You missed her run when singing “I’d risk my life..” at 17:48-17:49.
As a fan I can't believe they dubbed things since day one. That's insane. I thought they started doing this around 95. They were trying to market her as a Whitney Houston and her voice needed to be flawless for that. But that's so shady sorry to dub live vocals. Imperfections give more spirit to things. Whitney never did this, live was live.
I really love the low end of Mariah's voice and the dubs get rid of that.
Exactly
17:46 best part and he decided to stop the video lol
i feel like most of the Madison square garden show was just dubbed to redefine the note changes. Specially in Hero, I don’t think she wanted to go to the g#5, I think she decided to do it in the Studio cause then replicated it during the entire Daydream Tour. Most of the notes dubbed in that show she did them live in the Daydream tour so probably she just dubbed the, because she didn’t define the note changes and improvised at the moment (and as we know she’s a perfectionist so she might have thought those changes weren’t good enough for a dvd release)
I would like to know your opinion in general in the end of the video. I really enjoyed watching
COME ON HEELS!!!!!!
I think you should make a video and explain the problems in Mariah Xmas performance at Rockefeller Center.
Woah, Lesage, Mariah is such a Goddess of voice.
The divas live undubbed was WAY less raspy than the dubbed wth
im the obnoxious person in the video
Yasss
Is it just me or is there an ad every 5 mins of this video? Ugggh
@Day in 2022, I’ll complain about whatever I deemed necessary.
actually, i didn't get any ads from this video. I usually do get them from others tho, but not with this one at this time
@@batch9518 ty!
Why do I just noticed that you look like a grown up Sheldon😭😭
so this is just a 40 minute video of you saying that all artists makes mistakes and you justifying mariah’s fails basically…?
Yeah. Did you want a video basically canceling Mariah just for being a human?
If you're looking for something to scratch that hate-boner you have, there's lots of other contents out there to satisfy you somewhere else. While I would like to admit, a lot of people in the fandom do tend to over exaggerate her skills, her making mistakes on stage shouldn't be used to discredit her as a masterful user of her talent.
LMAO WHAT DO U WANT HIM TO DO HATE ON HER? None of todays singers can even TOUCH her undubbed vocals dont even
I can tell you that the microphone, the whole setup wasn't good.
I MUCH prefer her undubbed vocals. MSG 1995 is the epitome of that for me, there's an element of her voice that is just.. lost in the dubbed vocals. While MSG 1995 is the greatest example of it for me, this is true across the board. There's this off, nasaly, fake sound to the dubbed vocals that always grinds my ears.
It's more shouting to me.
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Other than the fact that it was filmed with a toaster 😂😂😂
there's many higher quality copies, this one is just a bad copy (MSG 1995)
This video annoys me the amount of movement had me wondering if my wifi was failing. My OCD acted up
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react undubbed make it happen 1995 fully
We already knew she's been dubbing her live performances since Unplugged. Even Trey Lorenz sounded awful with the undubbed I'll be there. That is why she is no Whitney Houston when singing Live, I mean this is Mariah during her prime but she cant hit the notes that was created on the studio.
First of all this isn't her prime, Her prime started in 94, Second she's a nervous live singer we all know that and she was forced to Dub which she didn't even want to do. Still that doesn't make Whitney a better singer
most of these weren’t mariah in her prime though …
She is not whitney housten 🤓🤓🤓
you paused so much lol
Dude pls don't join this haters. These clips are fake. They're not true. I BEG YOU DONT GO DOWN THIS RABIT HOLE.
These clips are fake? Can I ask what that means?
They’re not fake sadly
ah yes clips such as the entire msg fan footage was just magically created and is not real !!!
@@ciarrajohnson3849 I was replying to his comment on how they are all fake, just a bit of sarcasm lol
@@LambXDaydreams Yes, if one is, then everything is (YT must be fake too, a figment of our imagination)😄😄
so all these great vocals was a lie..💀
Did u watch the video? A lot of them are near identical, besides that mess when she sang Vanishing at the beginning, that F#5 was ROUGH.
1:45 why lie, it does sound VERY horrible and her team was always dubbing her perfomances to make her look better than what she actually is.