THANK YOU for making this video!! I am so tired of people saying how dangerous they are when they are not. All they require is a little bit of common sense.
There was a paternoster at imperial college London in the chemistry department and a paternoster at GEC in Borehamwood. I suspect that the building may have been demolished. In one of those two paternosters there was a fatal accident when a painter got into the lift carrying a ladder. It seems that there have been advances in safety since I last used one around 1982.
Even if these were unsafe they can make them way safer with more modern technology. They can be built with more light bars, photoeyes and other sensors and have advanced logic to calculate whether someone is about to get injured and stop the machine.
I love your illustration. 🙂 I looks fantastic. I love how it's all open. The chain risk is something I thought about on seeing the one in Sheffield University.
Really good and correct. That had to be said. Although do you remember the paternoster in Cologne that has a barrier in front of it? Yeah, that one is missing the top flap below the wheel. That is a potential problem. Other than that, all cases of accidents in the more recent times that I remember are a result of misuse, or we just don't know yet what happened.
Yesterday I was on a filming tour at Hämeentie 19 office building and Stockmann Helsinki Center department store staff area. They have working paternosters from the 1930s.
The copenhagen design's open shaft thing could be solved by printing "wait" or similar on the shaft, then "step now" on the car's rear wall so the cars reveal and hide the right message appropriately to those stupid enough to injure themselves by stepping into nothing as they move up/down.
Hitachi once made a lift concept where they basically made a paternoster but the individual lift cars can individually start and stop at each floor. And in this concept lift model each lift car is like a normal lift with doors, not open like in a normal paternoster. Edit: One of the things Hitachi touted in their promotional material was how safe this was compared to a normal paternoster, as the lift cars can independently start and stop. You do not have to jump on and off the cars, plus it does away with the need for safety flaps.
its the same as thyssenkrupps dual (i think thats what its called, beno can correct me here) and the multi concept, which is 4d chess with elevator cars.
@@SimonBauer7 Well, kind of. The ThyssenKrupp TWIN system is two independent lifts sharing a single regular lift shaft. MULTI, on the other hand involves multiple lift cars moving horizontally and vertically in a single shared lift shaft. Meanwhile the Hitachi multi-car concept involves multiple independent lift cars circling between two shafts in a loop like a paternoster. The short version is that all three systems take different approaches to achieve the same goal - sharing lift shaft space between multiple lift cars
Very neat. Being legally blind, I have bad depth perception [meaning how far away/close I think something is]. So I feel I would struggle with these compared to a normal lift, it is very nice to see safety features like the flaps. I personally feel without the ceilings I would board the car to early and potentially fall/hurt myself, but the barriers on the Prague design would give me a reference point. Do the flaps on the cars/floors below the top floor stop the paternosters, or is it only the top flap on the top floor?
Been a couple of years since I last watched your channel, but I see many new cheap flight adventure videos so I’ll have to check those out! Anyway, I never actually knew about the flaps on a paternoster, that does seem to make it quite safe. On the other hand, if they were still built today, I guess you could also just put a light barrier over each entrance, like on buses or trams? That way, if anything stuck out of the cabin at the point where it could potentially become dangerous it would just stop the lift temporarily? Seems like an obvious solution to me at least - and this way you could also stop the rotation until someone gets on, making it more efficient and less noisy 🤔
The city hall in my home town also has a paternoster. I have used it numerous times. It’s fun. And if you don’t have your head buried in your phone you will do just fine. It is not rocket surgery.
@ No. I live in Germany. There are some Paternosters still around, mostly in city halls, universities and some buildings that aren’t publicly accessible. Building code here allows old Paternosters to be operated and maintained, but you cannot build new ones because “safety”, apparently.
The types of people you get on the underground would not be suitable to ride a paternoster. Some people on the trains are very strange, and a lot are on alcohol or drugs.
I do not like paternoster because they are inneficient - it can not go very high, all weight is hanging on that "chain" all the time and every additional car, person is adding additional weight. They are slow, you do not want to climb 50 minutes to burj dubai observatory. And you need three shafts for any building, 2 for paternoster and 1 for cargo elevator.
Yeah okay you don't put a paternoster on the Burj Khalifa, but it's pretty cool and efficient too for other places where people behave correctly and speed isn't too important
Two shafts for a patrenoster is better than a bank of 5 or 6 if you install a traditional lift, especially for high-traffic scenarios. You can move more people with less shaft space. Also, paternosters have smaller cabins meant mainly for people; I haven't seen any high-capacity paternosters dedicated for cargo. Plus how can one shaft suffice? Paternosters need two shafts as they move in a loop.
THANK YOU for making this video!! I am so tired of people saying how dangerous they are when they are not. All they require is a little bit of common sense.
The problem is how rare common sense is nowadays
common sense is no longer common
That's a hard thing to find in a world full of social media
There was a paternoster at imperial college London in the chemistry department and a paternoster at GEC in Borehamwood. I suspect that the building may have been demolished. In one of those two paternosters there was a fatal accident when a painter got into the lift carrying a ladder. It seems that there have been advances in safety since I last used one around 1982.
Even if these were unsafe they can make them way safer with more modern technology. They can be built with more light bars, photoeyes and other sensors and have advanced logic to calculate whether someone is about to get injured and stop the machine.
I love your illustration. 🙂
I looks fantastic. I love how it's all open.
The chain risk is something I thought about on seeing the one in Sheffield University.
Really good and correct. That had to be said. Although do you remember the paternoster in Cologne that has a barrier in front of it? Yeah, that one is missing the top flap below the wheel. That is a potential problem. Other than that, all cases of accidents in the more recent times that I remember are a result of misuse, or we just don't know yet what happened.
Escalators are far more dangerous. They will crush and kill you and there are examples of that happening to people.
and clothing such as shoe laces can get tangled pretty easilly
I've never been on a paternoster but worked at a factory that had a "man-lift" which is probably more dangerous and more exciting
Very nice model! There are still six operating paternosters in Finland 🇫🇮
Yesterday I was on a filming tour at Hämeentie 19 office building and Stockmann Helsinki Center department store staff area. They have working paternosters from the 1930s.
I rode the Hämeentie 19 many times.
VERY well spoken. This paternoster is really safe.
The copenhagen design's open shaft thing could be solved by printing "wait" or similar on the shaft, then "step now" on the car's rear wall so the cars reveal and hide the right message appropriately to those stupid enough to injure themselves by stepping into nothing as they move up/down.
they already have that. not in the car, but im the walls.
Hitachi once made a lift concept where they basically made a paternoster but the individual lift cars can individually start and stop at each floor.
And in this concept lift model each lift car is like a normal lift with doors, not open like in a normal paternoster.
Edit: One of the things Hitachi touted in their promotional material was how safe this was compared to a normal paternoster, as the lift cars can independently start and stop. You do not have to jump on and off the cars, plus it does away with the need for safety flaps.
its the same as thyssenkrupps dual (i think thats what its called, beno can correct me here) and the multi concept, which is 4d chess with elevator cars.
@@SimonBauer7 Well, kind of. The ThyssenKrupp TWIN system is two independent lifts sharing a single regular lift shaft.
MULTI, on the other hand involves multiple lift cars moving horizontally and vertically in a single shared lift shaft.
Meanwhile the Hitachi multi-car concept involves multiple independent lift cars circling between two shafts in a loop like a paternoster.
The short version is that all three systems take different approaches to achieve the same goal - sharing lift shaft space between multiple lift cars
That was cool, I have never heard of these before! 😎👍
If you're in America, there aren't any paternosters out there. If you're in the UK, there are only 3 of these left., and they were never very common.
Very neat. Being legally blind, I have bad depth perception [meaning how far away/close I think something is]. So I feel I would struggle with these compared to a normal lift, it is very nice to see safety features like the flaps. I personally feel without the ceilings I would board the car to early and potentially fall/hurt myself, but the barriers on the Prague design would give me a reference point.
Do the flaps on the cars/floors below the top floor stop the paternosters, or is it only the top flap on the top floor?
Great video as always, Beno!
I love the illustrations
Perhaps this is how it got it's name, because you should say your prayers before using one.
Been a couple of years since I last watched your channel, but I see many new cheap flight adventure videos so I’ll have to check those out! Anyway, I never actually knew about the flaps on a paternoster, that does seem to make it quite safe. On the other hand, if they were still built today, I guess you could also just put a light barrier over each entrance, like on buses or trams? That way, if anything stuck out of the cabin at the point where it could potentially become dangerous it would just stop the lift temporarily? Seems like an obvious solution to me at least - and this way you could also stop the rotation until someone gets on, making it more efficient and less noisy 🤔
hey austin this is guys
The city hall in my home town also has a paternoster. I have used it numerous times. It’s fun.
And if you don’t have your head buried in your phone you will do just fine. It is not rocket surgery.
Prague?
@ No. I live in Germany. There are some Paternosters still around, mostly in city halls, universities and some buildings that aren’t publicly accessible.
Building code here allows old Paternosters to be operated and maintained, but you cannot build new ones because “safety”, apparently.
@@DeputatKaktus Nice! Thanks
Great engineering.
that one is bottom driven
It is like to argue why innerdoorless elevators are not dangerous lol.
Love Prague ❤
These could be useful at tube stations like Queensway or Covent Garden
The types of people you get on the underground would not be suitable to ride a paternoster. Some people on the trains are very strange, and a lot are on alcohol or drugs.
I see now.
Love Copenhagen ❤
I actually want to ride a paternoster one day!
If you're in Britain, there's the one in the Essex University library, and the other in Sheffield University.
The paternoster at Sheffield university is definitely worth checking out!
Maybe I’ll check it out one day! 😄👍
I do not like paternoster because they are inneficient - it can not go very high, all weight is hanging on that "chain" all the time and every additional car, person is adding additional weight. They are slow, you do not want to climb 50 minutes to burj dubai observatory. And you need three shafts for any building, 2 for paternoster and 1 for cargo elevator.
They aren't fast, but very efficient.
They are much better at moving a lot of people because the cars are frequent. It's like a vertical escalator in that way
Yeah okay you don't put a paternoster on the Burj Khalifa, but it's pretty cool and efficient too for other places where people behave correctly and speed isn't too important
Two shafts for a patrenoster is better than a bank of 5 or 6 if you install a traditional lift, especially for high-traffic scenarios. You can move more people with less shaft space.
Also, paternosters have smaller cabins meant mainly for people; I haven't seen any high-capacity paternosters dedicated for cargo.
Plus how can one shaft suffice? Paternosters need two shafts as they move in a loop.
Not dangerous, but not idiot proof either