R32 GTR Dyno Day Gone WRONG...
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Well, this is definitely not how I wanted to end this video. We were so close to having this car on the street & the track. Towards the end of the dyno session the cam gear bolts that adjust timing fell out and rotated our gear.. jumping timing. We did a leak down test and our compression shows that we have a bad cylinder 4 & 5. I guess it's time to rebuild.
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this is sad. too many chefs in the kitchen my guy,. ill be making a full video on this situation tomorrow. hopefully it gets resolved quickly and cheaply and as usual we will help in any way we can...ct trip round 2?
Factss like its Wayyy to many people working on that car it would be hard to pin point who's exactly at fault because everyone worked on it
Time to fix fucked gtr number 2. You gotta set him up with the dude that tuned your car.
@@ragnorremix8426 you've never had a real bro and it shows...
@@ragnorremix8426 its not bullying its character building! 🤣
Perfect I'll get in on dinner this time
Nah. That tuner is not it. I guarantee you when Josh set timing on the engine because you are running 272s he degreed that engine so that it would be dead nuts to spec. I have to do this same thing on my truck because I didn't degree my cam, which caused it to bend some valves. That tuner shouldn't have touched timing at all. He should have made a call to the person who assembled the engine asked for cam specs and factory timing settings, and how or what the timing was set to because of the cams. Tuner owes you an engine.
You dyno at your own risk anything can happen no build is perfect.
was just coming here to say this same thing tuner shouldn't be messing with timing and when he did he should have tighten the bolts properly
@@rsadz2358 that as well. The two bolts loose on the cam adjustment is the dead give away for me.
@@jamesireland9188 lol shut up
@@jamesireland9188 not when the tuner touches timing right before the dyno … if they sent her how she was then it went the way that it did then it’s “at your own risk” I’ve never seen a tuner hand adjust timing before without asking the engine builder what they did … most I’ve seen is tuner change plugs, waste gate spring … shit that’s trivial
Y'all realize the tuner went to Dustin's shop and did another base map after Jimmy did his. So if the timing is off, it would still be on the tuner for changing the base map when he went to Dustin's shop.
He didn’t do a base map at the shop. He was there to make sure all components were ready for a tune. No timing was set at the shop it was still on jimmys tune. And nobody touched mechanical timing on the GTR
@@timrichards7015 4:55 ………
Oh Tommy’s gonna have a field day with this.
100%
Lol can’t wait
He should call him so we can hear his reaction
He already commented. His comment is pinned up top
Can you explain amateur like me - who is responsible for tightening these bolts? Because now it loooks like Tommys team kinda fucked it on their side - when they built that motor. Is there possibility that bolts got loose in any other way?
You could hear the engine has low compression in multiple holes within a second of cranking it, there was absolutely no reason for that guy to try to start it over and over
Yeah he had to make sure he broke it properly.
Agreed. You can tell compression is lost in the first second of cranking it over.
Thanks. It was making me fucking keel over cringing as he kept trying it
“I wouldn’t run it anymore, somethings not right.” “Sounds like metal on metal” *proceeds to run it again*
i paused and clicked off the vid at that point. CLUELESS hahahah
Literally was just thinking the same! Like if you know 4&5 are at 40 then obviously you stop and don’t continue to turn the engine over 😫
completely clueless tuner.
You're not alone...I just spent 6 months and $13,000 for my R33 GTR and I lost cylinder 3 on the dyno. I feel your pain buddy
I'm sorry mate, hopefully you can get it back on the road soon.
I also feel your pain. My R33 GTR arrived with a hurt motor. I knew something was wrong but shop I took it to said it was fine. Blew the other factory turbo shortly
after. I spent 20k+ (didn't want to do the actual math 😭) refreshing engine, built head, new turbos, E85, clutch etc. Didn't touch the bottom end bc I was spending too much. 6 months later, rodknock.
@@kolapodasilva5838 that sucks, im sorry
Why did it fail?
@@jrose152 unknown...best guess is it was hurt when I bought it...piston top appeared to be lean in that cylinder...walls were scoured. As we fixed issues around it (boost leaks), it started to show itself. Once everything was nailed down and we started pushing it, it started to smoke. Tables on the Haltech were all messed up before. With a fresh tune, it just couldn't hang lol
Honestly shouldve just let Jimmy tune the car from the beginning. Rent out a dyno time and let him do his magic
Jimmys tuned like 4 cars, the tuner in this video has been tuning R35's, twin turbo lambos and R8s and evos for like 10 years. Go to his instagram.
@@thewraith6360 name of his instagram?
@@thewraith6360 10 years of tuning experience and he still tries starting a hurt engine with bad compression that was making metal on metal sounds.
@@thewraith6360 Tf u on about lol. Jimmys been tuning cars for a few years now, mostly off camera. And he has had some really good tuners teaching him. AFAIK he hasnt fucked up any engines.
That tuner might have 10 years of experience, but his work ethic is shit if he fucks engines up like this.
@@thewraith6360 you really out here gonna say Jimmy's only tuned 4 cars when he literally owns a dyno...
THIS TUNER OWES YOU AN ENGINE
Can’t wait to see Tommy’s response to this
I bet he is going to say it wasn't his fault
@@costa4gaming because it's not lol
@@costa4gaming Surely it would be on Josh (highly doubtful). Unless they failed somehow or were adjusted after the car was given to Dustin.
you know he's going to blame it on someone else.
@@smoll.miniatures Dustin said it himself that while he was gone the engine was retimed. It's very possible that they adjusted the cam gears, then didn't tighten them down enough before they made pulls.
one step backwards two steps forwards stay positive brother there's always hope for the future.
all I gotta say is Tuner owes you an engine.
How?
I doubt jimmy had the car completely out of time😂
Really doubt it lol
It clearly didnt. Car was running fine before he left CT.
That’s on the tuning shop, if they adjusted Cam timing from whatever was done at Tommy’s shop than they obviously didn’t double check there work and make sure everything was tight…
That doesn’t happen from adjusting ignition timing, my suggestion When you put this thing back together to avoid this happening again ( or just double checking it before every track day ) is to just put a set of stock cam gears on the motor, those adjustable gears aren’t necessary for the goals you have with the car! They sure do look bitchin…. Sorry Dustin! I know exactly how your feeling right now, i had something similar happen to me after rebuilding my sport bike engine and after she was on the dyno at a buddies shop she let go… mine was a bit more catastrophic but none the less it’s still disappointing 😩
Atleast it seems like the damage is just in the head and you can get some new valves and the head cleaned up fairly quick to get her back on the dyno asap! Hope you get it worked out, and you know you can always call Pappa Tom if you need any Overnight parts from CT! Keep your head up buddy, shit experiences like this always cause for something better to come in the end!
they are necessary... it changes the total character of the engine, my rb26 responded very well when adjusting timing. The tip is to always use loctite.....
@@SamMottaghy it is necessary on certain applications, i had them on my Evo9 Build which was a big HP setup. you can still adjust cam timing on stock gears, just not to the degree you can with adjustable ones. I understand it will make the car respond better.. It is just an additional failure point is what I’m getting at, and Dustin’s build isn’t anything too wild where having those will really benefit his overall build… it’s a pretty mild setup he’s running, if a tuner can’t get the engine to run Happy with just a set of MILD ass cams and a single turbo then he’s just not good at his job.. for the purposes he wants to use it for, he needs reliability. Continuous Track beatings Vs. spirited Street driving and the occasional track day/drag strip/racing is different.
I dont know much about this specific platform but i do know how engines work and what affects what, and if he can get away with not using them then i think he will be happier than just having some dope anodized gears on his motor.. yes loctite will help you but it’s not a end all be all savior.. Having to constantly monitor them is what’s needed and i think dutt wants something he can abuse and have the least amount of maintenance/failure points
This sucks!!! Sad to see this, time crunch builds raise the risk of these events exponentially don’t fret. Ready for round three 💪
Dude I could feel the pain in your eyes while you were looking over the engine bay. I know the feeling to have worked so hard and it still doesn't work out. Keep your head up bro, Dustins look out for Dustins.
Man, I could feel Dustin's pain in this video :( 5 minutes before the engine had its issues he was so hyped and I was so hyped for him and then he was thrown a huge curveball. It's an unfortunate step back but we are all here for you Dustin! Looking forward to you guys getting the car back running and seeing you rip it on the track!! Hopefully sooner rather than later!! Keep at it Dustin!!
Good thing he has the money to fix it lol 🤷🏼♂️unlike most of us average joes
except the engine had issues way before, which the shop didn't somehow notice or ignored.
@@dylangrahamvlogs4553 yeah if my engine goes I'm screwed😂
@@sombrero4316 yeah that's true, I dont think Dustin wouldve ignored a problem though
That tuner was definitely giving off strange vibes! Damn that sux bro
damn that sucks man, mistakes happen and all you can do is learn and move forward, just hope the bottom end is ok
even after he "fixed the timing" the idle still sounded crazy
Time for the greddy engine to be put in I guess. Now that's going to be a banger!! Heads up Dut, this is always part of the journey.
highly doubt he would do that right now the engine most likely isnt even ready. Dut is most likely going to scavenge as much as he can from this engine and rebuild it again
I'm putting blame on the tuner. They :adjusted timing" while Dustin wasn't in the shop. Josh built this engine and he's one of the best that specialize in RB26 builds. I know Josh performed a full bolt check before that car left the service bay. Next step is pulling the head to see how bad the damage is.
@@PSTS636 How do you know what the tuner did when adjusting timing? Nobody was in the shop but the tuner and guy working for the tuner. Doubt Joshs abilities all you want, dude carries a solid reputation.
@@PSTS636 except that youtube mechanic has way more experience lol
@@PSTS636 he wasnt the only one working on the car it was like 6people
@@PSTS636 The "real tuner" missed major red flags and detonation ruined the pistons and rings after the timing adjustment. Like Josh said "this tuner ain't it".
Bummer! Should have left the car to let jimmy tune it! He may be a self taught, only tunes for himself and his friends type of tuner, but those are some of the best and most knowledgeable tuners you could find! Hope you get it fixed up soon Dustin!
Nothing to do with the tuner lol bolts would of came out regardless
@@willsanctuary6626 but they would have had to touch them to “time” the engine if it was “wayyyyy” out of whack as they said also the tuner should have let off when he heard it laying over even in the video you can hear it and he still went probably another 1500 rpm. These guys are trash good mechanics on standby though!
@@undefined_garage umm.. happens so fast , it’s whoever touched the bolts last fault really guessing they weren’t torqued to spec
@@undefined_garage Wasn’t it ignition timing the tuner would of been changing, not the cams? The bolts have probably not be torqued to spec.
@@japcarjunkie Jimmy matched the ignition timing with ECU when they started the car that's what makes me thing this TUNA messed with timing belt
6:56 “I’m gonna give it a shot”
Not the words of a confident man.
My heart is broken to see this happen, but keep your head up and the R32 will get better. Mad faith in you bro✌🏼
Hey! Keep your head up, better this happen now then you being somewhere on the streets or worst. You got this, things will work out brother!!!! They always do and normally its for the better too!
Look at your surroundings Dustin, Dyno surrounded by cars covered in inches of dust, insulation laying on evos, propane tanks and ply wood everywhere. Nothing good was ever gonna happen in that building
Nah the tuner got a beard like josh…he good
Professional shop would've checked and took more precautions and most likely would've caught stuff like that before ruining all the hard work that got put into it
Exactly, that place does not appear high end at all.
Such a good observation, OP.
It's like taking your phone to get fixed and the repair shop has broken phones and trash laying everywhere big red flags the first second you take one look around
Oh my Gosh sounds Awesome The wheels look great Dustin and Tim
Should've used stock cam gears
Right all this just because of cam gears lol
Gears that probably won’t even be dialed in properly to start with, even if they are give tiny gains. But it’s TH-cam and people assume you tubers actually have a clue about what they’re doing. I wouldn’t touch a car/engine built by a TH-camr.
No shade towards the tuner but shouldn’t those bolts have been checked before doing any pulls?
Why was it even tuned at 5150? They mostly work on evos. They have quite an unfavorable reputation in the Evo community.
I have heard the same…
so the tuner adjusted timing while you and Tim were gone? and then the bolts were loose... seems pretty straight forward to me. sorry this happened Dustin, keep your head up
Dustin I feel for you bro.. you’ll come back better than ever, maintain that positivity.
I 1st remember when you bought the R32 and it was one of your best goals to accomplish !! This is very sad I was literally tearing 😢 😭 I hope she gets back in the dyno soon! This is one of the gtr that 1st started the legends media
10000% tuners fault, what a mess this car has been. its crazy, even after determining that cylinder 4 and 5 were bad the tuner tries to start it again as if the leak down was wrong, jesus christ...
He was just acting dumb, his fault!!
Dustin must invest on much known tuner.
If the cam gears were that loose it would go out of sink between cam and crank ...most likely pop and bang ...that motor sounds like it cracked a piston from tuner ignoring timing issues ...the power graph would of been all over the place
@@christianlylebarin7177 he keeps going to tuners I’ve never heard of lol
@@Jcc693 5150 is well known in SoCal. He makes some fast cars but runs them hard. I’ve ran a few an theyre fast for about half a season then blow. He’s moved onto the audi/vw platform an I’ve been hearing the same shit . If you want a fast car an have the money to rebuild - 5150 is your tune 😂
So sorry Dustin, this must make you feel discouraged. Just do more and don’t stop. The rebuild will come in time. Keep your head up. I feel your pain, my RB26 has bearing failure and needs a rebuild too!
I can take one look at the environment that Dyno is in and confidently say nothing good was gonna happen either way lol
Yup, not to mention the idiot tried running it after 1) one of his (assuming) employees said it had bad leak down and possible valve piston contact and 2) dustin saying there’s metal coming from somewhere. Tim had to tell him to stop trying to start it, dude should be no where near cars especially ones that aren’t his
@@garretthoward2056 exactly, pretty expensive mistake could've been avoided by taking it to the right people
It's always the shops with shitty ass lighting where the bad stuff happens.
There wasn't a single running car in there lmao insulation from the ceiling falling everywhere laying on the evo and the whole place just an entire mess
When the shop is a graveyard full of dust covered cars🚩🚩🚩
That was soul crushing, I feel the pain. Well, now I know I'm never buying adjustable cam gears.
Has anyone seen how many complaints and blown motors have come outta this place? 3* tuning on Godzilla should've been a big no imo plus seeing how they shut everyone down that had an issue with a "they signed the waiver" I'm sure Dut signed this waiver as well, smh 🤧
You need an actual GTR specialist to build and tune this car. Have Tommy’s shop take the extra time to fully build it, U.P. Garage here in Washington State or Garage Saurus in Santa Ana down in Orange County.
Yoo!! So sorry to see this. I can't believe how hard you guys worked on this only for it to fail. Things happen, you're going to get through this and the car is going to be amazing in the end!! Keep up the hard work man.
“I’m going to give it a go and see what it does”
feels you with great confidence
Not sure if I'm ready to watch this..
I dont think anyone was ready for this
Hold up didn’t the tuner “fix” the timing of the car when it wasn’t idling good? He probably forgot to tighten the bolts sooo… it’s the tuners fault.
Man....unfortunate to see that happen after all the effort leading up. Shell be back brother and we'll still support ya no matter the setbacks
Tuner messed up. I hope they paid for it.
Is this shop reputable or know what they're doing ? Doesn't seem so based on this video. Looking forward to Tommy's response like everyone else. Going to be a hard truth but a needed one.
Probably their first time tuning an rb from the looks
@@AdmissionGaming yeah they don't appear confident
aye man you probably won't read this but I know what you are feeling, my e36 hasn't been working for the last 2 years and where I'm from EVERYTHING is expensive (Aruba) but you gotta keep your head up and remember that this is not defeat, yes it is a step back but you get to learn from this. you got this man 💯
Wait, not pointing fingers but didn’t you say in the beginning of video that Jon had to fix a timing issue………..
5 minute mark
Also yes I know the difference between ignition timing and mechanical timing. He never specified which it was and said it was “completely out of time” and pointed to the front of the motor. 🤷🏻♂️
Why was it cranked over after low compression found? Hope you get it sorted buddy
For everyone wondering - the tuner did NOT touch the adjustable cam gear. He adjusted timing ELECTRONICALLY. The cam gear adjustment bolts were not tight, causing it to slip.
Next time take it to Rav Performance.
Didn't josh make video on insta showing tightening the cam gears.
How did he verify timing was off then he would have had to check with a timing light PERIOD or manually
@@ninaallen7849 he used a timing light.
@@ninaallen7849 no, he didn’t. I’m not sure what he was trying to show.
Poor papa tom and josh who put so much work into this to sauce you up. Keep your head up bro
Stuff happens dustin it isn't always easy stay positive man you will get it back running again 👌
Usually i’ll make a joke or take a jab, and you’ve responded with a “it’s my video...” and you’ll make it how you want or whatever...
But man, this sucks, and I feel for you guys. It’s easy to watch and nit pick, but this has to be tough, because it was hard to even watch. Keep your head up man. I know this was a long time coming, and this car will come back even stronger. You have lots of love from fans, and we will all be here to hear this car sing on the track. One step back, and two steps forward. Can’t be a legend without the garage. I just hate it for y’all after all the hard work and hurdles. Keep your chin up bro. Much respect for keeping as cool as you did.
Sorry Dut. Back to the drawing board 🥺 but when she’s back full force she’s going to be the best she can be! Sending all the good energy your way!
Keep your head up Dustin, this is part of the journey. This will only make the finish sweeter & more joyful. Hope you come back stronger and don’t forgot all the hard work that’s been done so far
100% tuner fault, messed with the timing... :(
*"I don't know why but something tells me I'd be scared to put my car on a dyno I'm sure it would spontaneously combust"* 🤣
I’m pretty sure Josh timed it the proper way my guy
It hurts to see something that you have been building, so beautiful after 2 yrs to hear and see it end up like this. I hope everything works out alright.
Sorry to see this happen Dustin.
Keep your head up dut, these things happen. Small steps back for a major step forward.
I am so sorry Dustin. My heart feels your pain. No one knows how much you are hurting like I do. Keep your head up and continue to “Do More”.
A Dream Becomes Reality with hard work, dedication and persistence! This will happen baby!
Exactly! 100 percent!
I don't care what anyone says Tuner specifically said oh I had to fix the timing then all of sudden the engine is blown up due to a timing issue if there is ever a reason to say HERE'S YOUR SIGN this is it. This supposed to be tuner would be paying for my repairs or we would be in court I would also be asking for the data logs which he should have if he will give them up is another story.
Adjustable CAM gears are a risk, even with tightening them down you still run the risk of them coming lose during turning, most old school tuner will tell you not to use adjustable CAM gear, BECAUSE the bolts WILL come loose. During turning they should be set to 0 anyway because of the upgraded computer. These adjustable CAM gears works mainly for stock computers…
I paused the video to type this because I’m genuinely scared for whats about to happen. Each pull that goes by im thinking “does it happen here? Or here?”
Dut don't let this bring you down, things happen for a reason; you'll come back stronger just wait and see my friend, stay motivated we the fans are here to help keep pushing you to go on!
Sorry to see your r32 journey not going as well as expected. Comes to show, car journeys are not easy.
So true!
damn! i felt your pain through the computer screen 😢... this was a definite punch to the gut.. i knw you work hard to get to this point... what doesnt kill you makes you stronger keep your head Mr. Williams ...
This is enough to make a grown man cry
No issues brother we don't give up .. build it again God bless you we all are together with you ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Wasn’t Tommy’s fault 4:45
what abou tthat time stamp
That’s absolutely right like the other guys said… it should’ve been one man one show… too many chefs in the kitchen becomes human error…. I almost had tears when I saw the smoke….
Damn Dut, this hurt to see man. But remember to keep your head up high man! You always give us a positive energy! Now its our job as fans to do that for you! You will be back and better from this! 🙏🏼
Keep your head up Dut. Me and the rest of your fans will support you no matter what! 💪🏽
That's what happens when you have people rush and engine/ build together. Also the tuner should have checked those adjustable gears before he ever started making pulls.
The tuner himself adjusy timing before the dino, and not to mention he change the base tune in dustin shop days before and then say the tune is all off. This one its all on the tuner 🤷♂️
The car was literally mint from Tommy's shop. This tuner completely killed the car on his own.
Keep doing you Boss man, your future is a wicked place. Don't let the adversity/drama distract the vision. You got this King!
I’ve been waiting for this video to drop ever since the last video. Garage legends is gonna be sick!!
Adjustable cam gears for the win
Someone owes you an engine
Tuner 🤷♂️
Keep your head up man, it’s definitely devastating after all that work. But I promise you greater is about to happen ❤️ that car will make a comeback greater than everrrr before
Bro the pain of cars is unbelievable, I thought I had hard times on my channel, but with all the effort went into this GTR I can see your pain, however, I know you’ll rise through it as always!
I know RB’s have a ton of vibration in them, more than most engines and are some what notorious for making bolts come loose. It’s possible that the vibrations of the engine made them loosen up rather then them not being torqued. Also I don’t know what the prp cam gear stuff calls for but it didn’t look like there was any kind of thread locked on those bolts. Maybe they need some loctite or something to stop them from backing out
Things like this suck no matter who's fault it is. I wouldn't leave my car there with someone tuning it without me there 100% of the time especially if it's someone I don't know. Also I wouldn't take a car like that to just anyone. Now your left taking the guys word on what he did while you weren't there. Guy owes ya something especially after cranking on a hurt engine after its said not to run it any more. cringe!!!!!
Don’t feel too bad. I’ve never had a project run right myself.
Yeah I want to hear Tommy’s explanation!! I hope he fixes it ! Because I know he wasn’t cheap
Tuner owes Dustin an engine if anything, since he decided to mess with the timing
Not tommy's fault, but yes on the tuner, he did a base tune on dustin's shop and after that the car was out of timing and the tuner change the timing before the dino, only one to blame here it's the tuner 🤷♂️
@@itsSlayMoney Tuner only messed with the offset though from what Justin said so tbh it could be on Tommys side I hope not tho.
I’m so sorry about this man… I know how much this hurts. Life happens, you’re strong and can come back from this. The gtr WILL run one day! I believe in you and all of your LEGENDS are right behind you cheering you on brother.
Was this Josh at Tommy’s shop forgetting to tighten them bolts
One week builds of that magnitude are a recipe for mishaps, in this case a disaster because the problem stayed hidden until pushed.
Doubtful. They did a full bolt check in the last video & the engine was retimed at the dyno while Dustin was getting the seat.
Honestly this is why I have one shop touch every aspect of my car now. This just sucks to see but it’s part of the car game. Rebuild and come back stronger than ever 💪🏽
If it is just bent valves at least it’s not so hard of a fix. Order the valves, pull the head, seat the valves, put everything back together and time engine. Also to be safe check the pistons to see if they have damage too. This sucks but you’ll come back better good looks brother!
Keep pushing brotha. This is why we love cars, cause all the hard work can’t compare to anything once that bad boy is up and running. 🏎🤙🏼
Don't let it get you down! Shift happens. You've got a lot of positive things going on. Focus on those, and just keep moving forward.
You got this man. It's just a set back. Don't give up on her. It will be worth it in the end. Sending positive thoughts.
I'm legit sad too. Been rooting for this build the whole time. Only one way to go from here and it's up! You got this!
Dut, everything will be alright! You and Tim will get back up and running. R32 Godzilla will come back! Keep your head up dut. Dut squad got your back in full force
It's so strange to see an rb eith adjustable cam gears on a dyno with the front cover still on.
I’m sorry that you had go through this my guy. In life we have setbacks on setbacks but eventually as long as you keep moving on you will prevail. Hang in there Dut, we all feel your pain and it’s just another obstacle to conquer man. You’ve gone so far in this build and guys like me are very proud of you dude. ❤️💪🏽🤙🏽
When I built and assembled my engine it was very nerve racking, but it is also rewarding when it runs the way you expected it too. So I feel for Dustin, when something like this happens after putting so much time and effort into it you just lose so much motivation. Luckily Dustin has a lot of friends and connections so he'll push through it, I didn't have that during my engine build journey. Also on a side note, whenever installing adjustable cam gears it is recommended to red loctite the bolts so they don't back out. You got this Dustin! come back better and stronger!
This sucks man, but this is what comes with building cars. Keep your head up and look at everything you’ve accomplished so far, you’re doing awesome and I look up to you everyday. 🙏🏻🔥
This may be a sour pill to swallow now but when you finish the build its gonna be such a good feeling Dustin and I know you know that! Keep up the good work and thank you for inspiring us to love our hobbies!
Man this just breaks my heart, felt so sorry for Dut. His eyes says it all. Hope it gets fixed quickly!🤞🖤