Hey boss, these where the guys I think I recommended you to get with, elk skins on something you guys was working on in the past that he or taryl may have had for you guys, would be great to see a collaboration with you guys in the future! Taryl I hope you have seen some of roadking and mikes awesome builds! Merry Christmas to you all!
It's NOT the engineers at fault here, it's the "bean counters" that call for the CHEAPEST parts to be used. I have an 18yr old MTD "Yardman" 46" rider with a 21HP Intek twin. In all those years, I have had ZERO issues with the "Intek". It still has the original plugs, fires up in about 5sec hot or cold, checked valve lash about 5yrs, just minor tweaking needed. I do maintain the machine RELIGIOUSLY, clean it after every mowing job and keep it in a garage when not used. I would guess that MY Intek DOES NOT have plastic gears, since it's going on 20yrs, OR I am just damned lucky. Taryl, I simply LOVE your channel. Am SO addicted to the "skits" you guys do AND the knowledge you share for us DIY'rs to keep our small engines purring for minimum cash outlay. THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!
2 year old engine "they don't make the plastic gear anymore and they don't make a metal replacement"..... WOW. Briggs is getting to be more and more like GM all the time.
These companies should be forced to provide replacement parts. I'm seeing parts no longer available for a snowblower engine yet it looks the same engine being sold on a new snowblower.
@@nickmcwilliams685 If environmentalists actually cared about the environment they'd shut up about carbon and start talking about shenanigans like this.
A few years ago, I was visiting Statesville Georgia and wanted to visit the Briggs and Stratton corporate world headquarters and was surprised that they only had a small office in an industrial park unless I was mistaken and visited the wrong place. In 1995 I visited a major aviation electronics manufacturer in Kansas City, and they made everything onsite. A few years later I visited the same company only to discover a small office with only sales and a reduced staff of engineering and training center in the USA with everything else offshored to other nations. I think one day the USA will regret depending on other nations for production of essential goods and services.
And I blame all these companies who are trying to make as much money as they can and get things made as cheaply as possible so that they can still sell them at ridiculous prices they outsource this stuff and get it from other countries and have it made there so that they can pay the workers there next to nothing and then sell it here for a price like they made it here in the US all these companies here want is money there's no brand loyalty there's no loyalty to their customers there's no nothing the ran by people who have nothing in mind but greed
Plastic parts are the manufacturers best tool for planned obsolescence. Making sure they don't last and not making the replacement parts needed to replace the weak link they intentionally made. From cars to mowers to kitchen gadgets, the old days of taking care of your stuff and having it last a lifetime are over.
Exactly. And even when you spend 25-50% more for the “good one” you only get about 10% better product. Even the better stuff is crap. Only way to get something really good is to make it yourself.
Just went through this with my dishwasher (the machine, not the ol lady). Tried to fix it myself, determined it was the control board which they do not make or have anywhere and it’s only a 6 year old machine. So I said to hell with you whirlpool, I find a different brand. Needed one ASAP, got to home dumpo and they only had two models in stock with no idea when others would be in. So guess what, I went home with a whirlpool.🤦🏻♂️
@@brandoniron44 if i had everything needed, tools included, i would make my own small engines, probably outlast all others for the next 50 years or more.
I've been working on Briggs & Stratton engines since the 60's, it hurts to see how cheap some of their engine parts have gotten. But they did make it good, as they should. Merry Christmas to all you guys!
Planned obsolescence. I hate it Taryl. More and more you see companies cutting corners on parts quality so people just throw stuff away when it breaks (which it does more often now because the quality is bad). It’s everywhere now with everything we buy. That’s why I love your restoration videos on older equipment. The quality difference is amazing between the old and the new. Merry Christmas! Great video.
Thank you, Taryl, for all the invaluable contentl!! This is literally the ONLY TH-cam channel I've allowed ads to play on, simply because of the amount of knowledge you have shared with the world and how much I've learned through these videos. I hope watching these 3 minute ads help a little!
Really enjoyed today's video, Taryl! That nylon Crankshaft Gear was just unbelievable! I can't believe that ANY company, ANYWHERE; would even wanna try something like that, EVEN AS AN EXPERIMENT!!! SHEESH!!! I'd say that anyone who would EVEN THINK that a nylon gear like that one, (even on a small engine), would hold up long at all, under the torque of a Crankshaft; must have gotten their training from "Maroonic" Engineering!! (Maroonic of course; being Bugs Bunny language, for "moronic.") LOL!!! 😊😊 On a separate note, I got a big kick outta that Polaroid Camera in this video! Especially the part where your one character mentioned someone "still having a few in stock!" I had to laugh, because I can remember when the Mother of one of my 7th Grade school chums, bought him one of those for his birthday, back in the early fall, of 1978! As I said, I laughed pretty good, as I couldn't help thinking, (AND saying aloud to myself as well), that "NO STORE, (a regular retail store, anyway), has prob'ly had those in stock, for about 40 years now!!" LOL!!! 😊 That all being said, I really liked the camera that my buddy had though, & for awhile, I actually wanted one of my own. 🙂 I never got one, but my buddy DID let me borrow his a time or two, though. In fact, I believe there are a few photos in one of my Mom & Dad's photo albums, which he took of me, whilst I was hanging out at his house. 🙂 Thanks as always for the great mechanical/servicing info, that you always pass along to us all, in these videos! Thanks for all the great humor too! I always look forward to it, & it never fails make my day!! 😊 Take Care, & Have A Happy & Blessed Christmas, & New Year!! Ron H. Abilene, TX.
Taryl & gang you have been busy had us up all night this side of the pond with all the lawnmower dudes @ micks mowers... look forward to these utube vid with all your mob! Well done!
How the mighty have fallen. As a small engine mechanic who works on them everyday, I’ve seen their newer engines have more problems than I’ve ever seen in my life. Really stupid problems that could’ve been prevented if some their parts weren’t made out of plastic or just poorly made. I have a lot gripes with Briggs and Stratton recently: -The newer Nikki carburetors are junk. Almost impossible to rebuild without them running like crap. The older Walbro carburetors were way better. -plastic carburetors on the push mower engines are a joke. They are much harder to work on and are more expensive to replace. The way they mount to the engine is the biggest joke of all. They are relying on a cheap flimsy piece of bent sheet metal to hold the carburetor firmly against the cylinder head which is pathetic and ridiculous. They bend and break. Stupid dumb retarded design. -The junk camshafts. The older ones were a cast camshaft that hardly ever had problems. The newer ones have the gears and cam lobes pressed on a steel shaft. It’s ridiculously cheap and appalling that such a design exists. The worst part of all is the dreaded compression releases break ALL THE TIME. It hinges on a tiny hole and is barely held in by anything. It comes off and causes the engine to crank way too hard. All of that could have been avoided if they used a proper cast camshaft like literally every other engine manufacturer. -The push mower engines. I could go all day on this. The design of these newer OHV push mower engines are cheaply made with the cheapest of materials in the cheapest way possible. The sheet metal plate that holds on the cover is flimsy and the nuts that they pressed in there strip out. They should have been welded in. The plastic carburetor that I previously mentioned are shit. The bent sheet metal mount of the carburetor is a joke. The air filter cover is flimsy and doesn’t hold the air filter very well. In fact, I can move the carburetor and the carburetor mount just by touching the air filter cover. That is ridiculous. The carburetor should be physically bolted to an intake manifold or the cylinder head, I’ve seen it done both ways on other engines. They have plastic gears inside the engine. The camshaft is totally made of plastic, which normally isn’t a big deal for push mowers, after all they were used on the old Quantum engines but they seem to be even cheaper than before. At least the quantum’s had a metal gear around the crankshaft. -The fill pressure lubrication on the residential engines isn’t all that good. Yes it does work, but the first place the oil pressure goes to is the lower crank seal. Over time the seal goes bad and it might pop out causing a geyser of oil to shoot straight down out of the engine. Also the oil pickup for the oil pump needs to be redesigned. On certain angles, even mild ones, for some reason the engine doesn’t get sufficient oil pressure and it blows up prematurely. It usually happens over a period of time even if you have properly maintained the engine. It doesn’t matter. The Vanguard engines don’t have this problem but the Intek does, especially the single cylinders. The larger ones tend to fail more often the smaller ones. -the naming and marketing scheme of their engines is an issue. It has come to a point where the consumer has no idea hat the heck they even have. Briggs would slap any label they wanted on their engines, even if it is the same base engine block. Think about it. I’ve had two engines that were identical in every way and one said Intek and the other Professional Series. I hardly see anything professional about those engines whatsoever. The only difference is a better air filter. That’s it. Why not just call it an Intek and be done. And get this. The two engines had different displacements, 500cc and 540cc, and both had the same 19.5 HP rating. The sticker. What the heck I going on? Where are they coming up with these numbers? I’ll tell you where they’re getting their numbers - out their ass. Here’s another one. I’ve seen Briggs Intek v-twins that are the same exact displacement, same carburetors, same everything and they had different horsepower ratings. It’s getting out of hand and it is causing a lot of confusion. It’s hard to know what I even have. Gone are the simpler days of knowing that “I have a 5 HP Briggs”. Sure there are many variants of the engine, but the core is still a 5 HP Briggs. I used to be a big Briggs and Stratton fan. I still have engines that are over 20-40 years old and still going strong. Meanwhile the newer ones are dropping like flies for really stupid reasons. Yes I know about the problems with ethanol and that does cause some problems but this isn’t about that. It’s about how fricken cheap and crappy their designs have been and how they have fallen in the same way Tecumseh did. Now these no name Chinese engines and Predator engines are coming by storm and to be quite honest, despite me not particularly liking those engines whatsoever, in some ways they are actually built better then the newer Briggs engines. Let that sink in a bit. That’s a rather grim feeling as an old school Briggs and Stratton fan. The Briggs corporation had mostly focused on pleasing their stock holders than actually producing quality products, and it is absolutely shameful. Greed can take everything away from you in a blink of an eye.
which is why the replacement engine for my push mower is a cheap predator engine. got a couple older briggs 3.5 engines, cams have plastic gear and lobes, valves seal, coil fires, flywheel key good, they wont run. all it takes is that gear to move slightly and throw the timing off. why pay $250 for a push mower engine and have them stop a year or 2 down the road when i can pay around $120 for a predator that is still going strong after 2 years?
I gave two lawn tractors to a small engine repair business free. One was a Arien with no engine but was in great shape otherwise. The other was a JD with a BS twin. It was rusted to shit with no deck. It had a 48 in deck. Engine was great with no issues with 370 hours. Big difference with the new JD's for sure. The new filter change cartage is a joke as they expect most owners don't bother to change the other one so the new one doesn't even change the old oil. Crap engine, crap mower, crap long lasting mower. Made in the US means nothing. A knowledge in repair is your only hope. Thank all of the people who can work on a engine to make less landfill.
Design changes and vendor issues were an issue.. Walboro never renewed with briggs because of cost disputes,, so they went with another supplier,, and it went down hill from there,, Newer engines I wouldnt give you a steak dinner to toss it in the crapper..
@@carbo2950 That oil filter oil change mess was JD idea,, and briggs had to adapt it to get the contract from Horicon to build the engines for JD at that time.. It was a joke,, Engine only rated for 250 hours.. only found on certain models.. Stupid.. Naturally owners will never check oil in a mower... Hell they dont even check the blades.. SMH
There is your CHRISTMAS DINNER!!! I do spend a far amount of time watching your quality EDUCATIONAL videos. No other web site offers content like this. Merry Christmas and I look forward to 2022 line up of the best entertaining, educational, and inspiring efforts from a great bunch of shop mechanics..........
It's funny what you said about people still bringing you lawn mowers and tractors. Here on the East Coast by now I would have three or four blowers dropped off so far nobody is thinking about snow. If it's anything like last year and the year before that nobody will even need a snowblower again. I still cannot get over that plastic gear. As you know that's where all the torque comes from that moves the piston up and down. It cannot be worth the few dollars that they saved. Their warranty claims and just the fact that people will turn away from the brand should be enough to put quality parts in their engines. I hope you and your family and friends all have a great holiday and I look forward to seeing your new videos.
It sounds a lot like the Kawasaki 590 plastic cam gear fail from the mid to late 1990’s. I replaced mine based on your video. They should know better. Now they are paying for all their “cost savings “ in warranty costs😳
Same here in VA! Finally finished my leaves this weekend and the briggs and scratton engine on my billy goat debris loader gave up the ghost. Only 30lb of compression.
Today I was working on an old lawn mower an old MTD with a spring-loaded starter start it once with the rope and then shut it off and it winds up the starter next time all you got to do is close the Bale the engine starts never have to worry about a dead battery. Coolest thing I've seen since those ones that you wind up a crank and then turn a knob to start the engine
This mirrors my experience with Briggs. The old stuff was generally pretty great but now they value engineer to the point of failure. You would think that since they are just building Honda clones they would be decent. But they manage to screw it up even when copying others.
The scrap from the old crankshaft gets exported to China and is made into 149.8 sintered metal gears for new Briggs & Stratton crankshafts. I was cleaning up my yard at my century old home and found a wooden gear, curious, then I found what looked like a large lava rock the size of a softball, curious and curiouser. Its a meteor! Then I put it together and realized it was forging slag, my family at one time had an operation here at the homestead making cast iron gears. Amazing what average folks accomplished. ps. nice onesie pajamas Taryl lol
Thanks for the video. Yes.. I was one of those clammering about "check the valve clearance". I also was saying "take the spark plug out". I guess I only got half of what I wanted :-)
Absolutely amazing that Briggs "engineers" would think that using a plastic gear on the crank shaft was sound engineering! What a joke! Great job as always my friend! Very much appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos! Have a very Merry Christmas!
One thing I check, is to make SURE the shear key slot for the flywheel is exactly the same angle in reference to the rod throw journal as the old crank. This is crucial to the ignition timing of the engine. The engine started right up, so it was the same.
Taryl your a fabrication genius why dont you make a small engine stand? one that rotates instead of wrestling around on the bench, maybe a vice mount and make a video about it we love watching you make things just a thought. although your probably too busy thanks for all the good Videos hope you have had a good year
I use the Briggs "Power Portal" to request warranty replacement of parts for LP Standby generators. I find it a pain in the U know what. Some of their "engineering" is pretty shoddy. Some failed parts are due to poor design. The superseded part then costs plenty, even though they know the original was poor. Merry Christmas all you guys. Thanx for the most interesting channel on TH-cam... !!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year fellas. I've enjoyed the entire season watching everyone having a great time. Here's luck and laughter at you for the new year. coldbear.
Just the video i needed to see. I have that same engine on my air compressor and i think it might the same issue with the cam gear. I have the square type air cleaner on mine and never any trouble with it. I'm still driving my mower around
My wife gets to watch her chick shows on TV while I watch your videos. If she is happy everyone is happy. Thank you for your videos and the funny skits!
great stuff, you out did yourself and Slippers restore my faith in the true meaning of x-mas...txs for sharing/ hope your season is fulfilling, it would be the best new year to see ya next year too
Seen this issue with pressure washer application l head engines.. Told Briggs about it and had a customers unit denied warranty... I ordered a steel timing gear and sump gasket.. and got him up and running. and it is still running..
Love Taryl videos. Addicted actually. I did cringe every time you took pliers to the PTO end of that crankshaft. My Customers are really picky and would probably notice any scratches. Crap Briggs and Stratton
engines are tested to see how many hours they will last, the warranty is ALWAYS short of how long it will last. this is how they "get" you. either you take it to a shop and pay big time for repairs, or you buy another engine and still pay big time. or people could do like me if you want to save some money, being disabled and on disability, i dont have the money to play with so, instead of around $250 for a push mower engine, i spent around $120 at harbor freight for a predator, which is still going strong.
I've seen many old Briggs engines last 20, 30, 40 years. Can't imagine these new engines barely making 5 years. HF cheap China Honda clones are probably better. Cheaper, anyway!
Yup i have gotten several briggs generators engines made in prc with aluminum bores that they made with no low oil sensors! They blew up due to excessive oil consumption and cannot be rebuilt. Complete junk ya the harbor freight predator engines are much higher quality
predator (honda clone) from harbor freight on my pushmower. while the gear does not appear to have moved on the cam, it has, valve timing is off on 2 3.5 briggs classic engines. i cant see that price for a cam that cheaply made so, for around $110-$120, you guessed it, cheap honda clone from harbor freight. a briggs engine around here goes for a good $250 or more for a pushmower, will last 1-3 years before the crap they call a camshaft goes out.
As always a very informative video. Thank you for going into such great detail about the engine. My daughter watches with me. She laughs and enjoy the videos. Thank you 😊.
I like the old school I-beam torque wrench. Have you thought of switching to a click type torque wrench. I still use my small I-beam to set pinion bearing preload on differentials though.
Man you got me addicted. My neighbor just brought me a 1976 John Deere with a Kohler K241. He is taking ut to a hunting cabin and needs it running man i want to completely restore it.
That IS a badass older style polaroid camera. Those things are extremely sought after!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR YA GRASS RAT MASTERS!!!!!!!!!
I can get those crankcase booked other than that or do you rent but they always back off and put it on the tractor or something you always run up having to tighten the bolts up again I had a leak at the Pella I was just going to cross pattern snuggle up until it stopped
Plastic is supposed to... - reduce catastrophic failure - reduce collateral damage - reduce costs The idea is, that plastic can be designed to (theoretically) fail as a part prior to other, more expensive to replace parts fail. Further, once the plastic part fails, the concept is that the inevitable loose pieces are made of plastic which is softer than the metal parts and thus will be less likely to cause other parts to be damaged if the engine continues to run or cycle for some period of time after the plastic part fails, but for the failure causes the engine to stop cycling/running. Unfortunately, I'm not certain anyone outside the industry, would have access to the statistics comparing a) using metal part (e.g. Fewer failures; Failures are more devastating to engine) and b) using plastic parts (e.g. more failures; Failures less damaging to overall life of engine). It is nice to hear that at least some of the manufacturers designs still allow for metal replacement parts for the plastic versions, but then again, is plastic worth it in the first place or are they just trying to cut down on manufacturing costs and end up getting more repeat customers as people see little value in repairing something with just another plastic part that will end up costing them more and more down the line.
For most consumer grade stuff, even the plastic gear failing is enough to send it to the junk pile if out of warranty. A good mower tech's time to open it up and work on it will exceed the replacement cost, so it might as well have been a full self destruct as it's going to the landfill anyway.
I don't know if these engines are of the interference design, but if so, that gear failing at the right time with one of the valves open will cause catastrophic failure when the piston crashes into the valve. Yes, it reduces costs - to the manufacturer but not to the consumer. Saving $10 over 100,000 units is $1,000,000 savings to the manufacturer. It's referred to as "economy of scale". The consumer doesn't even see the $10 savings.
Tayrl have you had many of the vertical shaft 450, 575 series engines with issues where oil is venting into the air filter housing. We have had a few in our workshop on new machines and found out it is a factory machining fault with a large batch of new engines.
@@lynnh7694 Honda gcv160 have a plastic gear that runs a belt for the timing gear and valves. Others use plastic but I guess the use it in the right places with good materials and there isn’t an issue.
Good day Merry Christmas & happy new year. A neighbour gave me a 14 B&S , but I think connecting rod is gone , pulls very easy. Guess I will have to check Thanks
Well done Bud!! It was nice meeting and speaking too you!!
Thanks!! Same to you! 👍
Hey boss, these where the guys I think I recommended you to get with, elk skins on something you guys was working on in the past that he or taryl may have had for you guys, would be great to see a collaboration with you guys in the future! Taryl I hope you have seen some of roadking and mikes awesome builds! Merry Christmas to you all!
It's NOT the engineers at fault here, it's the "bean counters" that call for the CHEAPEST parts to be used. I have an 18yr old MTD "Yardman" 46" rider with a 21HP Intek twin. In all those years, I have had ZERO issues with the "Intek". It still has the original plugs, fires up in about 5sec hot or cold, checked valve lash about 5yrs, just minor tweaking needed. I do maintain the machine RELIGIOUSLY, clean it after every mowing job and keep it in a garage when not used. I would guess that MY Intek DOES NOT have plastic gears, since it's going on 20yrs, OR I am just damned lucky. Taryl, I simply LOVE your channel. Am SO addicted to the "skits" you guys do AND the knowledge you share for us DIY'rs to keep our small engines purring for minimum cash outlay. THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!
2 year old engine "they don't make the plastic gear anymore and they don't make a metal replacement"..... WOW. Briggs is getting to be more and more like GM all the time.
These companies should be forced to provide replacement parts. I'm seeing parts no longer available for a snowblower engine yet it looks the same engine being sold on a new snowblower.
Yeah the cost cutters is one thing, the not selling parts is fucking bullshit.
@@nickmcwilliams685 If environmentalists actually cared about the environment they'd shut up about carbon and start talking about shenanigans like this.
Just imagine all the carbon that they wouldn't spew, if the carbon bashers would just zip it.
Hell does uses plastic crankcases for there Eco boust v 6
A few years ago, I was visiting Statesville Georgia and wanted to visit the Briggs and Stratton corporate world headquarters and was surprised that they only had a small office in an industrial park unless I was mistaken and visited the wrong place. In 1995 I visited a major aviation electronics manufacturer in Kansas City, and they made everything onsite. A few years later I visited the same company only to discover a small office with only sales and a reduced staff of engineering and training center in the USA with everything else offshored to other nations. I think one day the USA will regret depending on other nations for production of essential goods and services.
I'm thinking that day should have arrived.
Yep, that day has arrived. Try to buy some things that were always on the shelf in days gone by!
And I blame all these companies who are trying to make as much money as they can and get things made as cheaply as possible so that they can still sell them at ridiculous prices they outsource this stuff and get it from other countries and have it made there so that they can pay the workers there next to nothing and then sell it here for a price like they made it here in the US all these companies here want is money there's no brand loyalty there's no loyalty to their customers there's no nothing the ran by people who have nothing in mind but greed
Sorry bud, but....We're there now!!! Just look at all the "supply chain" issues we're having now.
There main place is in McDonough Ga if I remember correctly.
Plastic parts are the manufacturers best tool for planned obsolescence. Making sure they don't last and not making the replacement parts needed to replace the weak link they intentionally made. From cars to mowers to kitchen gadgets, the old days of taking care of your stuff and having it last a lifetime are over.
Exactly. And even when you spend 25-50% more for the “good one” you only get about 10% better product. Even the better stuff is crap. Only way to get something really good is to make it yourself.
the way i see it, since EVERYTHING is made to be disposable nowadays, shouldnt prices on this stuff be going down instead of going up?
Just went through this with my dishwasher (the machine, not the ol lady). Tried to fix it myself, determined it was the control board which they do not make or have anywhere and it’s only a 6 year old machine. So I said to hell with you whirlpool, I find a different brand. Needed one ASAP, got to home dumpo and they only had two models in stock with no idea when others would be in. So guess what, I went home with a whirlpool.🤦🏻♂️
Gotta keep the money flowing somehow.
@@brandoniron44 if i had everything needed, tools included, i would make my own small engines, probably outlast all others for the next 50 years or more.
I've been working on Briggs & Stratton engines since the 60's, it hurts to see how cheap some of their engine parts have gotten. But they did make it good, as they should. Merry Christmas to all you guys!
This is really making me want to rebuild my opposed twin!
Planned obsolescence. I hate it Taryl. More and more you see companies cutting corners on parts quality so people just throw stuff away when it breaks (which it does more often now because the quality is bad). It’s everywhere now with everything we buy. That’s why I love your restoration videos on older equipment. The quality difference is amazing between the old and the new. Merry Christmas! Great video.
Thank you, Taryl, for all the invaluable contentl!!
This is literally the ONLY TH-cam channel I've allowed ads to play on, simply because of the amount of knowledge you have shared with the world and how much I've learned through these videos. I hope watching these 3 minute ads help a little!
Really enjoyed today's video, Taryl! That nylon Crankshaft Gear was just unbelievable!
I can't believe that ANY company, ANYWHERE; would even wanna try something like that, EVEN AS AN EXPERIMENT!!! SHEESH!!!
I'd say that anyone who would EVEN THINK that a nylon gear like that one, (even on a small engine), would hold up long at all, under the torque of a Crankshaft; must have gotten their training from "Maroonic" Engineering!! (Maroonic of course; being Bugs Bunny language, for "moronic.") LOL!!! 😊😊
On a separate note, I got a big kick outta that Polaroid Camera in this video! Especially the part where your one character mentioned someone "still having a few in stock!"
I had to laugh, because I can remember when the Mother of one of my 7th Grade school chums, bought him one of those for his birthday, back in the early fall, of 1978!
As I said, I laughed pretty good, as I couldn't help thinking, (AND saying aloud to myself as well), that "NO STORE, (a regular retail store, anyway), has prob'ly had those in stock, for about 40 years now!!" LOL!!! 😊
That all being said, I really liked the camera that my buddy had though, & for awhile, I actually wanted one of my own. 🙂
I never got one, but my buddy DID let me borrow his a time or two, though. In fact, I believe there are a few photos in one of my Mom & Dad's photo albums, which he took of me, whilst I was hanging out at his house. 🙂
Thanks as always for the great mechanical/servicing info, that you always pass along to us all, in these videos!
Thanks for all the great humor too! I always look forward to it, & it never fails make my day!! 😊
Take Care, & Have A Happy & Blessed Christmas, & New Year!!
Ron H.
Abilene, TX.
Merry Christmas to you Taryl, Jr and Slippers. Thanx guys for all the hard work you do in educating, and entertaining us during this year 👍
Enjoy watching somebody else doing the job. Stay safe. Have a merry Christmas.
Taryl & gang you have been busy had us up all night this side of the pond with all the lawnmower dudes @ micks mowers... look forward to these utube vid with all your mob! Well done!
Come for the mechanical knowledge, stay for the sound effects. Brilliant!
How the mighty have fallen. As a small engine mechanic who works on them everyday, I’ve seen their newer engines have more problems than I’ve ever seen in my life. Really stupid problems that could’ve been prevented if some their parts weren’t made out of plastic or just poorly made. I have a lot gripes with Briggs and Stratton recently:
-The newer Nikki carburetors are junk. Almost impossible to rebuild without them running like crap. The older Walbro carburetors were way better.
-plastic carburetors on the push mower engines are a joke. They are much harder to work on and are more expensive to replace. The way they mount to the engine is the biggest joke of all. They are relying on a cheap flimsy piece of bent sheet metal to hold the carburetor firmly against the cylinder head which is pathetic and ridiculous. They bend and break. Stupid dumb retarded design.
-The junk camshafts. The older ones were a cast camshaft that hardly ever had problems. The newer ones have the gears and cam lobes pressed on a steel shaft. It’s ridiculously cheap and appalling that such a design exists. The worst part of all is the dreaded compression releases break ALL THE TIME. It hinges on a tiny hole and is barely held in by anything. It comes off and causes the engine to crank way too hard. All of that could have been avoided if they used a proper cast camshaft like literally every other engine manufacturer.
-The push mower engines. I could go all day on this. The design of these newer OHV push mower engines are cheaply made with the cheapest of materials in the cheapest way possible. The sheet metal plate that holds on the cover is flimsy and the nuts that they pressed in there strip out. They should have been welded in. The plastic carburetor that I previously mentioned are shit. The bent sheet metal mount of the carburetor is a joke. The air filter cover is flimsy and doesn’t hold the air filter very well. In fact, I can move the carburetor and the carburetor mount just by touching the air filter cover. That is ridiculous. The carburetor should be physically bolted to an intake manifold or the cylinder head, I’ve seen it done both ways on other engines. They have plastic gears inside the engine. The camshaft is totally made of plastic, which normally isn’t a big deal for push mowers, after all they were used on the old Quantum engines but they seem to be even cheaper than before. At least the quantum’s had a metal gear around the crankshaft.
-The fill pressure lubrication on the residential engines isn’t all that good. Yes it does work, but the first place the oil pressure goes to is the lower crank seal. Over time the seal goes bad and it might pop out causing a geyser of oil to shoot straight down out of the engine. Also the oil pickup for the oil pump needs to be redesigned. On certain angles, even mild ones, for some reason the engine doesn’t get sufficient oil pressure and it blows up prematurely. It usually happens over a period of time even if you have properly maintained the engine. It doesn’t matter. The Vanguard engines don’t have this problem but the Intek does, especially the single cylinders. The larger ones tend to fail more often the smaller ones.
-the naming and marketing scheme of their engines is an issue. It has come to a point where the consumer has no idea hat the heck they even have. Briggs would slap any label they wanted on their engines, even if it is the same base engine block. Think about it. I’ve had two engines that were identical in every way and one said Intek and the other Professional Series. I hardly see anything professional about those engines whatsoever. The only difference is a better air filter. That’s it. Why not just call it an Intek and be done. And get this. The two engines had different displacements, 500cc and 540cc, and both had the same 19.5 HP rating. The sticker. What the heck I going on? Where are they coming up with these numbers? I’ll tell you where they’re getting their numbers - out their ass. Here’s another one. I’ve seen Briggs Intek v-twins that are the same exact displacement, same carburetors, same everything and they had different horsepower ratings. It’s getting out of hand and it is causing a lot of confusion. It’s hard to know what I even have. Gone are the simpler days of knowing that “I have a 5 HP Briggs”. Sure there are many variants of the engine, but the core is still a 5 HP Briggs.
I used to be a big Briggs and Stratton fan. I still have engines that are over 20-40 years old and still going strong. Meanwhile the newer ones are dropping like flies for really stupid reasons. Yes I know about the problems with ethanol and that does cause some problems but this isn’t about that. It’s about how fricken cheap and crappy their designs have been and how they have fallen in the same way Tecumseh did. Now these no name Chinese engines and Predator engines are coming by storm and to be quite honest, despite me not particularly liking those engines whatsoever, in some ways they are actually built better then the newer Briggs engines. Let that sink in a bit. That’s a rather grim feeling as an old school Briggs and Stratton fan. The Briggs corporation had mostly focused on pleasing their stock holders than actually producing quality products, and it is absolutely shameful. Greed can take everything away from you in a blink of an eye.
which is why the replacement engine for my push mower is a cheap predator engine. got a couple older briggs 3.5 engines, cams have plastic gear and lobes, valves seal, coil fires, flywheel key good, they wont run. all it takes is that gear to move slightly and throw the timing off. why pay $250 for a push mower engine and have them stop a year or 2 down the road when i can pay around $120 for a predator that is still going strong after 2 years?
Well said
I gave two lawn tractors to a small engine repair business free. One was a Arien with no engine but was in great shape otherwise. The other was a JD with a BS twin. It was rusted to shit with no deck. It had a 48 in deck. Engine was great with no issues with 370 hours. Big difference with the new JD's for sure. The new filter change cartage is a joke as they expect most owners don't bother to change the other one so the new one doesn't even change the old oil. Crap engine, crap mower, crap long lasting mower. Made in the US means nothing. A knowledge in repair is your only hope. Thank all of the people who can work on a engine to make less landfill.
Design changes and vendor issues were an issue.. Walboro never renewed with briggs because of cost disputes,, so they went with another supplier,, and it went down hill from there,,
Newer engines I wouldnt give you a steak dinner to toss it in the crapper..
@@carbo2950 That oil filter oil change mess was JD idea,, and briggs had to adapt it to get the contract from Horicon to build the engines for JD at that time.. It was a joke,, Engine only rated for 250 hours.. only found on certain models.. Stupid.. Naturally owners will never check oil in a mower... Hell they dont even check the blades.. SMH
There is your CHRISTMAS DINNER!!! I do spend a far amount of time watching your quality EDUCATIONAL videos. No other web site offers content like this. Merry Christmas and I look forward to 2022 line up of the best entertaining, educational, and inspiring efforts from a great bunch of shop mechanics..........
Merry Christmas Taryl, Ms Taryl, Junior, Slippers and the gang. Hope you have a safe and blessed holiday season. 🌟
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Looks like Briggs isn't putting keepers on the rod cap bolts? Those metal pieces you can bend next to a flat side of a bolt to keep it from loosening.
And the list goes on..........and on.............and on........
You made that repair look so easy!! I would still be trying to get the flywheel removed. Merry Christmas to all the Grassrats and their followers.
Merry christmas guys thanks for the christmas card! defently looking foward to 2022 with you guys!
Merry Christmas and happy new years
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
It's funny what you said about people still bringing you lawn mowers and tractors. Here on the East Coast by now I would have three or four blowers dropped off so far nobody is thinking about snow. If it's anything like last year and the year before that nobody will even need a snowblower again.
I still cannot get over that plastic gear. As you know that's where all the torque comes from that moves the piston up and down. It cannot be worth the few dollars that they saved. Their warranty claims and just the fact that people will turn away from the brand should be enough to put quality parts in their engines.
I hope you and your family and friends all have a great holiday and I look forward to seeing your new videos.
It sounds a lot like the Kawasaki 590 plastic cam gear fail from the mid to late 1990’s. I replaced mine based on your video. They should know better. Now they are paying for all their “cost savings “ in warranty costs😳
Merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas to my favorite grass rats, love watching !
Ditto!
Merry Christmas and a happy brand new year.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Same here in VA! Finally finished my leaves this weekend and the briggs and scratton engine on my billy goat debris loader gave up the ghost. Only 30lb of compression.
Today I was working on an old lawn mower an old MTD with a spring-loaded starter start it once with the rope and then shut it off and it winds up the starter next time all you got to do is close the Bale the engine starts never have to worry about a dead battery. Coolest thing I've seen since those ones that you wind up a crank and then turn a knob to start the engine
Happy holidays you guys! Thanks for all the videos and laughs and knowledge!
This mirrors my experience with Briggs. The old stuff was generally pretty great but now they value engineer to the point of failure. You would think that since they are just building Honda clones they would be decent. But they manage to screw it up even when copying others.
The scrap from the old crankshaft gets exported to China and is made into 149.8 sintered metal gears for new Briggs & Stratton crankshafts.
I was cleaning up my yard at my century old home and found a wooden gear, curious, then I found what looked like a large lava rock the size of a softball, curious and curiouser. Its a meteor!
Then I put it together and realized it was forging slag, my family at one time had an operation here at the homestead making cast iron gears. Amazing what average folks accomplished.
ps. nice onesie pajamas Taryl lol
Nice story.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Merry Christmas guys and thanks for hanging out at Micks live 🎄
Thanks for the video.
Yes.. I was one of those clammering about "check the valve clearance". I also was saying "take the spark plug out". I guess I only got half of what I wanted :-)
Same thing happened to me on a Troy build with a Briggs 6.5 pressure washer. Replaced with steel gear.
Absolutely amazing that Briggs "engineers" would think that using a plastic gear on the crank shaft was sound engineering! What a joke!
Great job as always my friend! Very much appreciate the time and effort you put into your videos!
Have a very Merry Christmas!
I suspect the accountants made that decision happen.
@@joebrinson5040 I guess they aren't talking with the marketing department because stupid choices like this are killing the reputation of B+S.
@@imxploring I agree with you. They have decided to make junk and try to be profitable.
Did I see a 1960's Cushman Eagle ? BTW I really enjoy watching.
right back at you guys , fun always
great seeing you all on micks live
Thanks for all the info and entertainment this year guys, y'all have a great Christmas 👍
If i only had Taryls talent, skils, intelligent and knowledge.
That copper gasket spray works great for coating gaskets. Love the videos Taryl
So funny when slippers was closing the door and said “Look what I got”. That was hilarious 😂
You guys are yo much, you crack me up. I love to watch your show. God Bless You all.
Ha!!!! Merry Christmas to the multi talented Dactyl family!!!!! This was a another great show!!!
One thing I check, is to make SURE the shear key slot for the flywheel is exactly the same angle in reference to the rod throw journal as the old crank. This is crucial to the ignition timing of the engine. The engine started right up, so it was the same.
Taryl your a fabrication genius why dont you make a small engine stand? one that rotates instead of wrestling around on the bench, maybe a vice mount and make a video about it we love watching you make things just a thought. although your probably too busy
thanks for all the good Videos hope you have had a good year
I use the Briggs "Power Portal" to request warranty replacement of parts for LP Standby generators.
I find it a pain in the U know what.
Some of their "engineering" is pretty shoddy.
Some failed parts are due to poor design.
The superseded part then costs plenty, even though they know the original was poor.
Merry Christmas all you guys.
Thanx for the most interesting channel on TH-cam... !!
Always like that you make Christmas themed videos
I love your channel. It’s educational, informative, and entertaining.
Love the vids taryl
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year fellas. I've enjoyed the entire season watching everyone having a great time. Here's luck and laughter at you for the new year. coldbear.
Great idea to speed up the removal of hardware...what a clean interior of an engine!
Just the video i needed to see. I have that same engine on my air compressor and i think it might the same issue with the cam gear. I have the square type air cleaner on mine and never any trouble with it. I'm still driving my mower around
My wife gets to watch her chick shows on TV while I watch your videos. If she is happy everyone is happy. Thank you for your videos and the funny skits!
Taryl, Junior and Slippers I hope you have a Great Christmas and I look forward to your videos in 2022. Merry Christmas 🎄
great stuff, you out did yourself and Slippers restore my faith in the true meaning of x-mas...txs for sharing/ hope your season is fulfilling, it would be the best new year to see ya next year too
Thanks Taryl (and company)! Hope your Christmas and new year are all you could ask for.
Thank you
Here is the expression NEW JUNK nice video and glad Briggs stands behind their engines. Merry Christmas to you and the Gang
Seen this issue with pressure washer application l head engines.. Told Briggs about it and had a customers unit denied warranty... I ordered a steel timing gear and sump gasket.. and got him up and running. and it is still running..
Good one me old mucker.. and thanks for popping in to my live last night..
Fun
@@buddyg1408 MORE fun than allowed by law.
Love Taryl videos. Addicted actually. I did cringe every time you took pliers to the PTO end of that crankshaft. My Customers are really picky and would probably notice any scratches. Crap Briggs and Stratton
Merry Christmas, Taryl!
Taryl in his PJ pants.
Truly PRICELESS!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Happy holidays to you guys too! Thanks for the awesome videos!
Great video as usual guys. Great seeing you on Micks live stream..
You guys never let us grass rats down, awesome vid guys. Merry Christmas from Gawga!
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Merry Christmas Taryl!
Shameful. Briggs must know exactly how many hours these engines fail at. Will they also pay for the time you work on it?
engines are tested to see how many hours they will last, the warranty is ALWAYS short of how long it will last. this is how they "get" you. either you take it to a shop and pay big time for repairs, or you buy another engine and still pay big time. or people could do like me if you want to save some money, being disabled and on disability, i dont have the money to play with so, instead of around $250 for a push mower engine, i spent around $120 at harbor freight for a predator, which is still going strong.
@ but look at how many other engines survived just fine
Made to fail shortly after purchase
By China engine
You must love B&S. Their poor designs are like Christmas presents for the repair business. 🙌. Merry Christmas!! 🎅
I've seen many old Briggs engines last 20, 30, 40 years. Can't imagine these new engines barely making 5 years. HF cheap China Honda clones are probably better. Cheaper, anyway!
Yup! "Chonda" motors are great. I have a couple from Harbor Freight, run like tops.
The Chines stuff is getting much much better even in Canada we can buy the Chines 6.5 hp engine for less then a Briggs and Stratton carburetor.
Yup i have gotten several briggs generators engines made in prc with aluminum bores that they made with no low oil sensors! They blew up due to excessive oil consumption and cannot be rebuilt. Complete junk ya the harbor freight predator engines are much higher quality
@@edgenet1 212 CC (6.5 hp) at Harbor Freight here in the USA goes on sale for $100. I have one on my log splitter.
predator (honda clone) from harbor freight on my pushmower. while the gear does not appear to have moved on the cam, it has, valve timing is off on 2 3.5 briggs classic engines. i cant see that price for a cam that cheaply made so, for around $110-$120, you guessed it, cheap honda clone from harbor freight. a briggs engine around here goes for a good $250 or more for a pushmower, will last 1-3 years before the crap they call a camshaft goes out.
Good morning everyone hope everyone is having a blessed day.
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Merry Christmas Grass Rats! Thanks for another year of funny and informative videos. God Bless
Happy Holidays 👍🙏
Merry Christmas y'all.
Thank you. Merry Christmas and happy New Year
As always a very informative video. Thank you for going into such great detail about the engine. My daughter watches with me. She laughs and enjoy the videos. Thank you 😊.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year!
Merry Christmas from Michigan
I like the old school I-beam torque wrench. Have you thought of switching to a click type torque wrench. I still use my small I-beam to set pinion bearing preload on differentials though.
Man you got me addicted. My neighbor just brought me a 1976 John Deere with a Kohler K241. He is taking ut to a hunting cabin and needs it running man i want to completely restore it.
Gotta love There's Your Dinner! Have a Merry Christmas Dinner and to all a good night!
That IS a badass older style polaroid camera. Those things are extremely sought after!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR YA GRASS RAT MASTERS!!!!!!!!!
Thanks y'all for your 2021 videos. Great material and entertainment. Looking forward to 2022. Merry Xmas to team Taryl.
was missing seeing the sketches, have a merry christmas.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
I can get those crankcase booked other than that or do you rent but they always back off and put it on the tractor or something you always run up having to tighten the bolts up again I had a leak at the Pella I was just going to cross pattern snuggle up until it stopped
Merry Christmas taryl an family happy new year
Merry Christmas and thank you for the laughs !
Merry. Xmas Tazza and your team. Can’t wait for more adventures in the new year!
Plastic is supposed to...
- reduce catastrophic failure
- reduce collateral damage
- reduce costs
The idea is, that plastic can be designed to (theoretically) fail as a part prior to other, more expensive to replace parts fail. Further, once the plastic part fails, the concept is that the inevitable loose pieces are made of plastic which is softer than the metal parts and thus will be less likely to cause other parts to be damaged if the engine continues to run or cycle for some period of time after the plastic part fails, but for the failure causes the engine to stop cycling/running.
Unfortunately, I'm not certain anyone outside the industry, would have access to the statistics comparing a) using metal part (e.g. Fewer failures; Failures are more devastating to engine) and b) using plastic parts (e.g. more failures; Failures less damaging to overall life of engine).
It is nice to hear that at least some of the manufacturers designs still allow for metal replacement parts for the plastic versions, but then again, is plastic worth it in the first place or are they just trying to cut down on manufacturing costs and end up getting more repeat customers as people see little value in repairing something with just another plastic part that will end up costing them more and more down the line.
For most consumer grade stuff, even the plastic gear failing is enough to send it to the junk pile if out of warranty. A good mower tech's time to open it up and work on it will exceed the replacement cost, so it might as well have been a full self destruct as it's going to the landfill anyway.
I don't know if these engines are of the interference design, but if so, that gear failing at the right time with one of the valves open will cause catastrophic failure when the piston crashes into the valve. Yes, it reduces costs - to the manufacturer but not to the consumer. Saving $10 over 100,000 units is $1,000,000 savings to the manufacturer. It's referred to as "economy of scale". The consumer doesn't even see the $10 savings.
@@danburch9989They literally don't have enough valve lift to be an interference engine.
Tayrl have you had many of the vertical shaft 450, 575 series engines with issues where oil is venting into the air filter housing. We have had a few in our workshop on new machines and found out it is a factory machining fault with a large batch of new engines.
Merry Christmas to the whole crew there at the grass rats garage!!! Happy holidays
Thanks Merry Christmas everyone !
I've seen many new Briggs engines with a plastic gear that has gone bad. Such a stupid design.
Balls & Scrotum using plastic, no wonder everyone is buying Hondas and Shindaiwas.
They had to of done it to make money on replacement parts or to get you to buy a whole new engine...
@@PeerlessYT Hell, they should try a plastic piston. Big money maker there.
@@lynnh7694 Honda gcv160 have a plastic gear that runs a belt for the timing gear and valves. Others use plastic but I guess the use it in the right places with good materials and there isn’t an issue.
@@FishFind3000 the grass Rats probably love the plastic stuff. Paid in full on warranty money. Top dollar 💰
Merry Christmas guys. Hope to meet you one day.
Good day Merry Christmas & happy new year.
A neighbour gave me a 14 B&S , but I think connecting rod is gone , pulls very easy. Guess I will have to check Thanks
Thank you!!
Merry Christmas guy's great to see you on Mick's mowers last night.
Merry Christmas to all at grassrats and best wishes for 2022