@faei1897 Naw, we gotta go down the order. Excel is much more commonly used than PowerPoint, I imagine. I imagine Powerpoint will make its grand debut in League or something.
The thing is that stuff like these won't happen in t1 though as Riot is always in possession of your equipment. When you join a t1 org, your org sends riot the equipment you're going to use and riot will validate it and check it before and after each match. Source: Huhi from the LCS
@@leetebbens8858 Damn! That is incredibly stupid of Riot. But I'd reckon *now* they're going to implement the same measures in t1 valo because now it's kinda proven that Vanguard can be bypassed even in lan. If they don't, then they're just freaking dumb lol.
@@NyangisKhan It's all degrees. You can still cheat even if riot verifies and checks all your equipment after every single round. How? The same way teams cheat in every other major sports league, you just pay off the officials. Or become friends with them, then you might not even have to pay them off. Invite them to your nice parties, treat them to dinner. People cheat in every single sport and people are going to cheat in eSports. I guarantee there are cheaters at every level of every eSports that aren't getting caught, because that's how it works in every other sport too. Steroids are banned and people get randomly tested all the time and there's so many ways to catch them, and yet people are still using steroids in every major sport on a regular basis, despite billions being spent to stop it. You can never stop cheating, you can only make it harder to do, but if there's money involved, people will find a way to break the rules every time. Esports still isn't ready to have the conversation about ADHD medication being used to gain a competitive advantage.
@@leetebbens8858 in regional leagues, americas, emea, pacific, they do the exact same thing. each region does it slightly different but its very similar. dont know where you got your source from but..
My theory how that cheat works is that cheat is aming at the colour purple instead of calculating opponents location through memory. Let me explain, what was cheat doing is basically "hey, aim at colour X when i press Y, and stop doing that when i press Z" Since vanguard is looking through memory for the cheats (as cheats usually work like that) it couldn't detect it.
100% is the implication of that txt document, but it's important to keep in mind there is currently zero proof that txt document is real. It could easily be completely made up. There's no actual confirmation any screenshots are actually what was found, it's all just rumour and speculation with no actual source provided.
A part of me wonders if the program is designed to spoof vanguard, like a cracked version with the cheat built into it would then explain why part of the enabling involves turning off vanguard.
i very much doubt that. What i think you are talking about is whats called visual-based cheats and they are simply way to slow to actually be useful because they have to do a whole lotta calculation before they can actually give you a response if that makes sense. Also since the dude turned of vanguard it has to be something that interacts with the games memory to some capacity otherwise there would be no point in turning it off. I know there are ways to cheat in valorant that are not detected and will never be detected but I didn't think that you could get through vanguard with just and exe file. Pretty interesting stuff
@@cosmicsans3997 its actually been working rn, what is even scarier is that a kernel anticheat like vanguard not flagging cheaters, both games are flooded with cheating at the moment sadly.
@@cosmicsans3997there's a reason why there's no demo viewer in valorant. Their anti-cheat isn't anywhere near as good as ppl think it is. It protects against injected cheats, and some external ones better than vac for sure, but there's plenty things it can't detect at all. I'm a software engineer, with a strong hatred towards cheaters, but what I hate almost as much is the narrative that an invasive anti-cheat is a silver bullet. It's not, not by a long shot. Rainbow six siege is an older title, that doesn't have vanguard, and it has cheaters all the same, but less so than CS. Why? Because the benefits of something like wall hacks aren't as great as they are in CS, because they've added abilities. Valorant created agents that basically have built-in wall hacks (sova), just like R6 has abilities like thermal scopes or seeing through smoke. R6 probably has more aim-based cheats than valorant, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if valorant has a massive player base who do cheat using something you'd class as radar hacks. Again: I'm not a cheater, but I'm all but certain I could cobble together something in a matter of days, maybe a week, that would be impossible for vanguard to detect because there would be nothing on the machine for it to detect. People need to really understand that anti-cheat software helps, but doesn't solve the problem. The only "water tight" solution would be a game that only streams what is rendered server-side, to proprietary hardware, with which you interact using proprietary hardware riddled with biometric sensors, preferably with a video feed of you playing
config.ini is a common file that gets created with programs that uses imgui (its to save the position of the window so that the next time you open it it didnt move). most cheaters use a cheat with a menu using a library called imgui. so yeah... thats pretty cool to know! though i dont know why the creater didnt remove that because you can do that. Also im quite suprised an internal cheat like that bypasses vanguard lmao
Right dude i had the same idea i mean like i didn't think something not kernal could somehow bypass it. I never really looked into it too deeply but I was under the impression that the only real way to cheat was either through kernal or hardware based cheats. My guess is it somehow tricks vanguard to just say its all good without actually looking at the memory but idk I'm not the creator. Pretty interesting stuff tho
@@mityab20 you are mostly right. The most comon ways to cheat in valo are hardware cheats. There are ways to boot your cheat/bypass before kernel boot tho. So there is still a software way to cheat.
Definitely just the tip of the iceberg sadly.. This is some basic sounding hack and probably cheap even comparing from the CS days. Imagine hardware level cheats and what else is possible these days when you take into account the thousands of dollars in play.
@@peacepham7838 The implication is that the hack was just a colour detection program, essentially. It would look for purple and then move the centre of the screen towards the purple. It's basic because it's just a fancy macro, essentially, which is why it would avoid detection. They're not really looking out for something so simple.
Kernel access anti-cheats aren't as bulletproof as people like to think... there are a lot of cheaters on valorant too and if you know what you're doing then bypassing vanguard is easy
I wouldn't say it's easy to bypass Vanguard as only a few hacks are actually undetected. Compared to shit like CS2 Vanguard is heaven when it comes to a hack-free environment.
@@ulzzangloverxD I would say that it's more about Valorant cheaters not being as blatant as the CS ones. So... in valorant he doesn't kill you from spawn but he still has aim bot with which he kills you. It's the same just isn't in your face as much... If you are interested, check out "Hacking into Kernel Anti-Cheats: How cheaters bypass Faceit, ESEA and Vanguard anti-cheats" by Unity Research -> she goes into this topic and explains it really well
@@JC_Firestorm I know that video already, it's super in detail! I just think the fact that you have to go to great lengths to cheat in a game with a good anticheat like Valorant already cuts down on the total amount of cheaters by a lot.
@@ulzzangloverxD ooooh, yeah I agree with that!! Of course, I'm not trying to say that the devs should give up, no. Make it as hard for people to cheat as possible, absolutely. I just think that people should stop living in the fantasy that some magical anti cheat (vanguard or maybe later on vac live) is gonna appear and stop cheaters for good... cuz that ain't happening. Though, I think that it's funny how the second you post something on the valorant's reddit about cheating, the mods immediately delete/hide it
This dude is using aim assist and I get banned for unknowingly running software in the background which Vanguard never prompted me to close before playing. Thanks Riot 👍🏼
no anticheat is ever gonna be fully air-tight because at some point cheating methods will originate outside the pc running valorant, and afaik u can't just check for hardware connections because not only can they be spoofed, but it'd be extremely difficult to make sure regular users will like it my problem with vanguard isn't that it's fallible. my problem with vanguard is riot saying it is. while the way they describe vanguard is truthful on the surface, those explanations are always presented to lead most of the userbase to believe cheating is nigh impossible to do, and even more impossible to get away with for more than, say, 12 hours. admit it's fallible, and follow up claims that it's being improved, because even if it's fallible it's one of the best we've got. but i'm done with people thinking it's impossible to get around kernel anticheats, especially when i know it's because of how riot presents vanguard. transparency is healthiest for perception
There will always be more talented developers who work alone on cheats, than developers who want to "play" legit and work on vanguard through riot. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if there's hundred of developers out there who's talents are gatekept by riot's hiring system. There's a ton of extremely talented young developers who don't have enough "work experience" who are never even given a shot at big FAANG companies like riot. It doesn't matter if you have invasive kernal anti-cheat, there's talented kernal developers who can bypass it and who make a ton of money selling cheats that do. It's a game of cat and mouse, there's 1 cat and thousands of mice.
By looking at current state of game industry and how unstable, poorly paid and stress inducing it is to work in... I think they are better off either staying with indies or creating cheats. Those are significantly less stressful work environments where you can work at your own pace, don't have to worry about suits doing everything to maximise profits at your cost and you may actually earn more if you play your cards right.
Nah, that's not the main reason. The main reason is because in order to stop cheats, you have to know the cheat is there in the first place, and you have to do this for literally every single possible cheat out there. Meanwhile a dev working on cheats can already see what parts of the anticheat are very "strong" and effective and won't waste time on trying out those cheats.
The biggest problem is that even with a kernel anti-cheat, it only detects what programs are booted before the PC starts up. People have come up with creative ways to make cheats boot up before vanguard, spoof it as a secure windows program, or use them outside of VMs to make it completely undetectable.
Vanguard is really good at giving players false security that there's little to no cheaters on Valorant when in reality a AHK can be used to give players a trigger bot or in this case, an aim assist. I wouldn't be surprised if this cheat is actually just a simple script that reduces the mouse sensitivity when it detects the crosshair near a target.
Curious how they get these hacks onto the computers. My workplace disables all USB storage drives, locks all installations behind an IT admin account, and some computers are locked into running and displaying one program only.
@@Gramini ok name me the downsides and proof that cheating in valo is as easy as cs2. Not by naming cheats but by saying how you would go about creating an cheat. I bet u have 0 knowledge and only opinions
My question is, why aren't they locking down the computers used for the competition and allow only the game client and the comms client to be ran by the user used for the competition? And if there is a need to transfer files for the configs, why not prepare them in advance and send them to the GMs so that the files can be checked in advance? This seems like such an easy problem to solve. Pay a sysadmin to setup infrastructure with the assumption that players are going to cheat.
As an Indonesian, I can't tell you how much I'm fuckin dying laughing at this. Indonesian people been complaining about the government's lack of support in Esports, and when they got a chance to shine this is what they fuckin did LMFAOOO
@@H1batullah same thing for the Indian scandal. I swear if news comes out Global Esports have cheated the casual racism against Indians on twitter/youtube will become competitive at that point.
People should always remember that when it comed to a platform as open as PC, where with thr know how and tools you can make your own hardware without a single problem, NOTHING is water tight, there's always a workaround when the user has full control.
as indonesian FPS player i feel embarrassed and happy cause i got a proof that many individual asia player use hack to reach higher rank, when i spend so many hours to grind the rank and sharpen my skill
problem is sometime organizer hardware like mouse and keyboard is a shit, and not up to standard (trust me i had one in CSGO tournament at college days, their provided mouse sometime jumping around when i run) and some player had preferenced on size and DPI or whatever improvement some hardware had..... its like forcing golfer to use caddy borrowed one (i know its not fair comparison but you got the idea) what organizer should maybe do is checking the hardware for player before they start the match (and its maybe not even effective if its only brief) among other thing
@@tryanotosehatsantoso8302 cheaters can hide data in those mice or keyboards, like having an internal usb hub with a usb drive or something. the solution is to have some sort of windows policy that disables running exes or scripts without the admin password. unless somehow the cheat does not need admin rights
they should be doing hardware/gear checks, cuz not having to get players preferred equipment is less hell on logistics? or whatever dept. handles accquisition like the comment b4 said, forcing players to use equipment they arent comfortable with is not it either. (headsets are whatever cuz they probably use good stuff with good adjustable headbands and padding, like most cs stuff using acezone)
As I said it is the simplest solution, not the optimal one. That fact is, if they can use their own hardware there is a way to smuggle in cheats. You would need a specialist to verify every piece of hardware to find out if it has not been tempered with. This gets even more complex when hardware gets modded to suit the preferences of the player. So there will always be a what if. With tournament provided hardware (barring corruption, or players/teams smuggling in software on removeable media), it would make cheating at least a lot more difficult.
@@Fenrasulfrthis is a remote competition, what do you want them to do? Go to every team's place and check their pcs? That is too inefficient and costly.
Well this case probably used a color based way of enhancing aim, like color recognition by the software to aim at. Since it doesn't need the games memory access, Vanguard would not flag this. But in general it's not too hard to get around Vanguard, even with memory based cheats. How? Pretty simple actually..Vanguard runs on kernerl level? Build a kernel level cheat. There are whole documentaries about this, it's a pretty interesting topic, if you are interested in how programming etc. works.
the problem with vanguard cant detect that thing because it was some sort of those arduino aimbot they just scanned your screen thats why in the .txt its saids u need to put your outline into purple because it easier to scan , because if it was yellow / red its still can be mistaken by the environment of the game (also purple still can be mistaken by astra smokes) and then the software are mimicking your mouse input sort like aim assist. the easier sample of this are triggerbot since youre holding 1 pixel only and then whenever someone swing / you swinging the software will send a click input to the game
@@ceadeusx Well, this very video is one piece of evidence showing that it's not working. The channel "Unity Research" has a great video that goes into more details as to why it cannot work.
Vanguard is literally useless now. I can't understand why RIOT Games just don't admit it now. Cheating is rampant in Valorant now. Worse than CS2, literally!
Okay, i maybe dumb, but the file is dated 2022. Does that mean the file already exist since 2022? If so, then this cheat already in the game for that long? Bypass the vanguard anticheat? Please enlighten me.
Wait, I thought i would see a clip to show the aim assist? The dude was minus kda 40 kills 42 deaths with jet 3 matches. and the team lose the next round. the accusation sounds sketchy.
Btw how come TheScoreEsports won't talk about CS2 cheaters in the major qualifiers but have a whole separate video about a Valorant cheater? A bit of a bias here, no? Considering that CS2 has much more of a cheating problem
There are cheats that bypass kernell level anticheat programs by nos injecting anything into the games memory. They use the visual information the player has access to and forces the character to react based on what is on the screen at the moment. They can be config to seem human like. Also if you install a microcomputer into any external hardware like a keyboard or mouse. That computer can read the memory and process it in a different cpu making it impossible for vanguard to realize it is being processed. Its quite complicated but there are veeery smart ways of cheating. The only way to get caught is by human mistake. AI AC systems are the future becayse software recognition ones are obsolete
Wow you're telling me Vanguard didn't prevent cheating? /s It's possible to bypass Vanguard if you watch Unity Research. So why the hell do you give out ring 0 access?
If u watched it u see how complicated it is compared to vac. Watch the entire video. The conclusion of unity research is someting i agree with. If you need to go through such a convaluted process to get slighty better aim and the players not feeling cheated isnt that good enough? Also...why is everyone suddenly worried about his data while giving it to big tech companies like google for free. Its not even proofen that it collects more data as intended while its proofen to decrease the amount of blatant cheaters. For me this simply screams western propaganda of "china bad"
Cheating in multiplayer games never made sense to me the good thing about multiplayer is that you improve and want to improve cause you're against real people that probably have inferiortity or superiority complexes the least you could do is Win Fair
how do you cheat in such a big league? A team needs to have 5 computers at the gaming house that Riot is in control of, not one single program can be DL'ed and/or nothing can be plugged in without it being looked over. These computers are for business, not for personal use, so the players and gaming houses don't need to be in control of those computers (also the league should provide PC's if they want full control)
there is literally vids from cheat devs showing different ways to cheat in valorant and that vanguard is not eve that good. Some methods are only detectable with manual gameplay review...
Dunning krueger moment. If someone says venguard isnt that hard to bypass its to flex. Venguard is not water tight but it still is the best ac out there
@@ceadeusx people who say dunning krueger are example of dunning krueger themself. And no there is very easy undetectable ways to bypass vanguard. It does filter idiots, but only them.
@@potatopotato7882 sad.. thought there would be an actual answer but u have 0 knowledge like i thought. Otherwise you would've responded with something else then toxicity. Have a nice day.
there no way he did this unironically and not expect to be caught if it isn't for meme I cant broo. If he wanted to be forsaken 2.0 I can honestly expect that more
So... firstly drivers are not ".exe". Secondly the exe was probably a pixelbot or an ahk script or something similar. Riot cant just ban all ahk scripts / other scripts because there are also legitimate reasons for scripts to run. This does not mean scripts are undetectable tho.
I am fr happy this happend cuz hear me out now riot HAS to do something they cant let this one slip and they have to rework vanguard if not we as a community will look onto a dead game in a few years...
I was expecting Excel to be the next hack.
quite the jump from word.exe to netflix.exe 😂
What about powerpoint?
@faei1897 Naw, we gotta go down the order. Excel is much more commonly used than PowerPoint, I imagine.
I imagine Powerpoint will make its grand debut in League or something.
It depends on the field. For most young people that play the game PowerPoint is way more common. @@jesuszamora6949
@@faei1897that’s just cs2 running on a toaster
forsaken's legacy is in right hands
The man who doomed whole country's scene
@@paradoxshiniyeah, kinda sad tbh
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Next time its gonna be something like Notepad.exe or some shit
@@paradoxshini lmfao
Bro think he's Forsaken
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Literally. So the cheater tried to explain why he has the cheat on discord and his discord IGN is called Forsaken
imagine naming your team "Tokyo Revengers" and be caught cheating. Like mfers don't even watch their own anime its crazy
He think he has some sort time manipulation power irl..
Couldnt even pick a good anime 😩
Well, even in manga, everyone cheats their gang so its understandable but I get anime people not knowing it right now!
@@bartallen7023 i finished the manga and this comment still applies
@@zexals then u need a dictionary perhaps? To understand what the word cheating means?
1:25 "Some people say that Valorant copies everything from CS, well they might just have copied cheating scandals from this one too." 💀
Pure poetry
😂😂😂😂😂
The thing is that stuff like these won't happen in t1 though as Riot is always in possession of your equipment. When you join a t1 org, your org sends riot the equipment you're going to use and riot will validate it and check it before and after each match.
Source: Huhi from the LCS
thats not how it works in valorant outside of champs
so no it can happen in t1
@@leetebbens8858 Damn! That is incredibly stupid of Riot. But I'd reckon *now* they're going to implement the same measures in t1 valo because now it's kinda proven that Vanguard can be bypassed even in lan. If they don't, then they're just freaking dumb lol.
@@NyangisKhan It's all degrees. You can still cheat even if riot verifies and checks all your equipment after every single round. How? The same way teams cheat in every other major sports league, you just pay off the officials. Or become friends with them, then you might not even have to pay them off. Invite them to your nice parties, treat them to dinner. People cheat in every single sport and people are going to cheat in eSports. I guarantee there are cheaters at every level of every eSports that aren't getting caught, because that's how it works in every other sport too. Steroids are banned and people get randomly tested all the time and there's so many ways to catch them, and yet people are still using steroids in every major sport on a regular basis, despite billions being spent to stop it.
You can never stop cheating, you can only make it harder to do, but if there's money involved, people will find a way to break the rules every time.
Esports still isn't ready to have the conversation about ADHD medication being used to gain a competitive advantage.
@@NyangisKhanMe when i discover any esport lets you bring Mouse and Keyboard both with hardware and open space where a device can be hidden inside.
@@leetebbens8858 in regional leagues, americas, emea, pacific, they do the exact same thing. each region does it slightly different but its very similar. dont know where you got your source from but..
My theory how that cheat works is that cheat is aming at the colour purple instead of calculating opponents location through memory. Let me explain, what was cheat doing is basically "hey, aim at colour X when i press Y, and stop doing that when i press Z" Since vanguard is looking through memory for the cheats (as cheats usually work like that) it couldn't detect it.
100% is the implication of that txt document, but it's important to keep in mind there is currently zero proof that txt document is real. It could easily be completely made up. There's no actual confirmation any screenshots are actually what was found, it's all just rumour and speculation with no actual source provided.
With restriction that been shown it seems that way. With no purple crosshair and purple outline seems to be fair assumption to make
A part of me wonders if the program is designed to spoof vanguard, like a cracked version with the cheat built into it would then explain why part of the enabling involves turning off vanguard.
Just like MIKA DAIME press right click to aimbot, then right click again to disable
i very much doubt that. What i think you are talking about is whats called visual-based cheats and they are simply way to slow to actually be useful because they have to do a whole lotta calculation before they can actually give you a response if that makes sense. Also since the dude turned of vanguard it has to be something that interacts with the games memory to some capacity otherwise there would be no point in turning it off. I know there are ways to cheat in valorant that are not detected and will never be detected but I didn't think that you could get through vanguard with just and exe file. Pretty interesting stuff
Imagine needing cheats
Literally every game tbh.
Multiple player obviously no cheats. Unless you're low skill
If you play in single player idgaf
Nah, i still need my jetpack cheatcode in gta san andreas 😂
Actually using cheat for fun in single-player is ok, but multiplayer is like bruh
Tell that to every chinese player in Battlefield right now
I Dare Ya LMAO
So vanguard, the spyware level of anticheat, can't detect that ?
its more than spyware level tbh
Windows, 90% of all browsers and every social media app out there are the spywares bro. Vanguard is the malware. Get your facts straight.
Yet so many want a kernel VAC
@@felipebr_ead I trust valve with my wallet. I trust Valve with my r34.
edit: typo
It turned off Vanguard
Ah yes, The fight of Word.exe and Netflix.exe will be legendary.
Its literally never been water tight. Vanguard has been cheated in multiple times and always will.
Yeah but they get banned after 3-5 matches after a report it might not be water tight but atleast it isnt VAC that strait up dosent work.
@@cosmicsans3997 its actually been working rn, what is even scarier is that a kernel anticheat like vanguard not flagging cheaters, both games are flooded with cheating at the moment sadly.
@@cosmicsans3997there's a reason why there's no demo viewer in valorant. Their anti-cheat isn't anywhere near as good as ppl think it is. It protects against injected cheats, and some external ones better than vac for sure, but there's plenty things it can't detect at all.
I'm a software engineer, with a strong hatred towards cheaters, but what I hate almost as much is the narrative that an invasive anti-cheat is a silver bullet. It's not, not by a long shot.
Rainbow six siege is an older title, that doesn't have vanguard, and it has cheaters all the same, but less so than CS. Why? Because the benefits of something like wall hacks aren't as great as they are in CS, because they've added abilities. Valorant created agents that basically have built-in wall hacks (sova), just like R6 has abilities like thermal scopes or seeing through smoke.
R6 probably has more aim-based cheats than valorant, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if valorant has a massive player base who do cheat using something you'd class as radar hacks. Again: I'm not a cheater, but I'm all but certain I could cobble together something in a matter of days, maybe a week, that would be impossible for vanguard to detect because there would be nothing on the machine for it to detect. People need to really understand that anti-cheat software helps, but doesn't solve the problem. The only "water tight" solution would be a game that only streams what is rendered server-side, to proprietary hardware, with which you interact using proprietary hardware riddled with biometric sensors, preferably with a video feed of you playing
config.ini is a common file that gets created with programs that uses imgui (its to save the position of the window so that the next time you open it it didnt move). most cheaters use a cheat with a menu using a library called imgui. so yeah... thats pretty cool to know! though i dont know why the creater didnt remove that because you can do that.
Also im quite suprised an internal cheat like that bypasses vanguard lmao
Right dude i had the same idea i mean like i didn't think something not kernal could somehow bypass it. I never really looked into it too deeply but I was under the impression that the only real way to cheat was either through kernal or hardware based cheats. My guess is it somehow tricks vanguard to just say its all good without actually looking at the memory but idk I'm not the creator. Pretty interesting stuff tho
config.ini is used widely in the tech world
theres some good videos about how easy it is to bypass vanguard on youtube its not as “watertight” as people seem to think
@@mityab20 you are mostly right. The most comon ways to cheat in valo are hardware cheats. There are ways to boot your cheat/bypass before kernel boot tho. So there is still a software way to cheat.
Definitely just the tip of the iceberg sadly..
This is some basic sounding hack and probably cheap even comparing from the CS days.
Imagine hardware level cheats and what else is possible these days when you take into account the thousands of dollars in play.
sounding 🥴
@@dadubwah??????
@@refardeddont ask questions you don’t want the answer to
What is "basic sounding hack"?
@@peacepham7838 The implication is that the hack was just a colour detection program, essentially. It would look for purple and then move the centre of the screen towards the purple. It's basic because it's just a fancy macro, essentially, which is why it would avoid detection. They're not really looking out for something so simple.
Kernel access anti-cheats aren't as bulletproof as people like to think... there are a lot of cheaters on valorant too and if you know what you're doing then bypassing vanguard is easy
cheaters in all fps games.
I wouldn't say it's easy to bypass Vanguard as only a few hacks are actually undetected. Compared to shit like CS2 Vanguard is heaven when it comes to a hack-free environment.
@@ulzzangloverxD I would say that it's more about Valorant cheaters not being as blatant as the CS ones. So... in valorant he doesn't kill you from spawn but he still has aim bot with which he kills you. It's the same just isn't in your face as much...
If you are interested, check out "Hacking into Kernel Anti-Cheats: How cheaters bypass Faceit, ESEA and Vanguard anti-cheats" by Unity Research -> she goes into this topic and explains it really well
@@JC_Firestorm I know that video already, it's super in detail! I just think the fact that you have to go to great lengths to cheat in a game with a good anticheat like Valorant already cuts down on the total amount of cheaters by a lot.
@@ulzzangloverxD ooooh, yeah I agree with that!! Of course, I'm not trying to say that the devs should give up, no. Make it as hard for people to cheat as possible, absolutely. I just think that people should stop living in the fantasy that some magical anti cheat (vanguard or maybe later on vac live) is gonna appear and stop cheaters for good... cuz that ain't happening. Though, I think that it's funny how the second you post something on the valorant's reddit about cheating, the mods immediately delete/hide it
We got Word.exe 2 before GTA6
Um question what ford word.exe 2 has to do with gta 6?
@@lordoblivion8038 that a second instance where a pro had the equivalent of word.exe before the launch of the proclaimed GTA 6.
@@lordoblivion8038a niche part of the internet got a sequel faster than gta
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He's saying that's there's Two Cheating Incidents happens before GTA 6 was released
This dude is using aim assist and I get banned for unknowingly running software in the background which Vanguard never prompted me to close before playing. Thanks Riot 👍🏼
Irony that the guy who's cheating , naming himself "forsaken" on his discord .
Really? 😂
@@trencsi yea one of indo cs legend asterisk found out
ring 0 kernel malware cant detect .exe hilarious
no anticheat is ever gonna be fully air-tight because at some point cheating methods will originate outside the pc running valorant, and afaik u can't just check for hardware connections because not only can they be spoofed, but it'd be extremely difficult to make sure regular users will like it
my problem with vanguard isn't that it's fallible. my problem with vanguard is riot saying it is. while the way they describe vanguard is truthful on the surface, those explanations are always presented to lead most of the userbase to believe cheating is nigh impossible to do, and even more impossible to get away with for more than, say, 12 hours.
admit it's fallible, and follow up claims that it's being improved, because even if it's fallible it's one of the best we've got. but i'm done with people thinking it's impossible to get around kernel anticheats, especially when i know it's because of how riot presents vanguard. transparency is healthiest for perception
In line with anything related to Riot, they even STOLE CS:GO's cheating scandal 💀💀💀
Riot cannot into originality, even in scandals
Tell me you never played a riot game without telling me you never played a riot game.
@@luckasneo2089 Which blatant copy, sorry i mean riot game, do you think is original?
@@V-O-V someones all triggered by riots success lol
Great, you just repeated the exact same "joke" as the one in the video did....and this get upvoted?
@@V-O-V What game did LoL copy, and please dont name a genre 💀
There will always be more talented developers who work alone on cheats, than developers who want to "play" legit and work on vanguard through riot. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if there's hundred of developers out there who's talents are gatekept by riot's hiring system. There's a ton of extremely talented young developers who don't have enough "work experience" who are never even given a shot at big FAANG companies like riot.
It doesn't matter if you have invasive kernal anti-cheat, there's talented kernal developers who can bypass it and who make a ton of money selling cheats that do.
It's a game of cat and mouse, there's 1 cat and thousands of mice.
By looking at current state of game industry and how unstable, poorly paid and stress inducing it is to work in...
I think they are better off either staying with indies or creating cheats. Those are significantly less stressful work environments where you can work at your own pace, don't have to worry about suits doing everything to maximise profits at your cost and you may actually earn more if you play your cards right.
Nah, that's not the main reason. The main reason is because in order to stop cheats, you have to know the cheat is there in the first place, and you have to do this for literally every single possible cheat out there. Meanwhile a dev working on cheats can already see what parts of the anticheat are very "strong" and effective and won't waste time on trying out those cheats.
Bro could've named it with any tech or windows related file imaginable.
But the mf went with Netflix.exe 😂
Stupid.exe
Even more stupid than Forsaken😂
The biggest problem is that even with a kernel anti-cheat, it only detects what programs are booted before the PC starts up. People have come up with creative ways to make cheats boot up before vanguard, spoof it as a secure windows program, or use them outside of VMs to make it completely undetectable.
seems like not even spyware can prevent players from cheating
Bro tried to be like Forsaken back in CS:GO, but naming a cheat netflix.exe? OK then!
Bro is gonna be Forsaken 2.0 after this scandal.
I’ve learned with cheats that no matter how good your anti cheat is, if someone wants to, they will cheat
You are god damn right
Vanguard is really good at giving players false security that there's little to no cheaters on Valorant when in reality a AHK can be used to give players a trigger bot or in this case, an aim assist. I wouldn't be surprised if this cheat is actually just a simple script that reduces the mouse sensitivity when it detects the crosshair near a target.
Riot will just say "no there was no cheating, all good, our AC is perfect. "
Word on the street is that Vanguard is full of holes, Riot was just doing a good job keeping it away from public eye. Until now!
LIL bro thinks hes Frosaken lol
Curious how they get these hacks onto the computers. My workplace disables all USB storage drives, locks all installations behind an IT admin account, and some computers are locked into running and displaying one program only.
Even the cheating scandal is copied from csgo
3:17 - You've been lied to. There are hardware cheats that Vanguard will never be able to catch.
Only shows how flawed the “kernel” level anti cheat actually is, also making the competitive scene in other unknown tournaments questionable.
Explain to me why its flawed.
@@ceadeusx Because it's not working. Still way too many ways to bypass/circumvent it. Not worth the many downsides.
@@Gramini ok name me the downsides and proof that cheating in valo is as easy as cs2. Not by naming cheats but by saying how you would go about creating an cheat. I bet u have 0 knowledge and only opinions
dude just disabled vanguard like hes disabling avast anti virus
My question is, why aren't they locking down the computers used for the competition and allow only the game client and the comms client to be ran by the user used for the competition? And if there is a need to transfer files for the configs, why not prepare them in advance and send them to the GMs so that the files can be checked in advance? This seems like such an easy problem to solve. Pay a sysadmin to setup infrastructure with the assumption that players are going to cheat.
It's remote, you can't set up every team like that.
Remote competition
easily speaking, any teams can join that qualifiers and it is done ONLINE, so no way is possible to regualte the devices directly.
@@peacepham7838 oh right, it was online. my bad, was thinking 'bout incidents like the one with forsaken
As an Indonesian, I can't tell you how much I'm fuckin dying laughing at this. Indonesian people been complaining about the government's lack of support in Esports, and when they got a chance to shine this is what they fuckin did LMFAOOO
Fr
@@H1batullah same thing for the Indian scandal. I swear if news comes out Global Esports have cheated the casual racism against Indians on twitter/youtube will become competitive at that point.
People should always remember that when it comed to a platform as open as PC, where with thr know how and tools you can make your own hardware without a single problem, NOTHING is water tight, there's always a workaround when the user has full control.
I was hoping to watch the scene where they was caught in action...
as indonesian FPS player i feel embarrassed and happy cause i got a proof that many individual asia player use hack to reach higher rank, when i spend so many hours to grind the rank and sharpen my skill
Wow thanks-
My headshot percentage went from two to three!
Mine's from 1 to 0
as the person from the country, i did not expect this news going to be showed up here....
intrusive anti-cheat is NOT water tight.
There is a simple solution, do not allow any player to bring their own hardware.
problem is sometime organizer hardware like mouse and keyboard is a shit, and not up to standard (trust me i had one in CSGO tournament at college days, their provided mouse sometime jumping around when i run)
and some player had preferenced on size and DPI or whatever improvement some hardware had..... its like forcing golfer to use caddy borrowed one (i know its not fair comparison but you got the idea)
what organizer should maybe do is checking the hardware for player before they start the match (and its maybe not even effective if its only brief) among other thing
@@tryanotosehatsantoso8302 cheaters can hide data in those mice or keyboards, like having an internal usb hub with a usb drive or something. the solution is to have some sort of windows policy that disables running exes or scripts without the admin password. unless somehow the cheat does not need admin rights
they should be doing hardware/gear checks, cuz not having to get players preferred equipment is less hell on logistics? or whatever dept. handles accquisition
like the comment b4 said, forcing players to use equipment they arent comfortable with is not it either.
(headsets are whatever cuz they probably use good stuff with good adjustable headbands and padding, like most cs stuff using acezone)
As I said it is the simplest solution, not the optimal one. That fact is, if they can use their own hardware there is a way to smuggle in cheats. You would need a specialist to verify every piece of hardware to find out if it has not been tempered with. This gets even more complex when hardware gets modded to suit the preferences of the player.
So there will always be a what if. With tournament provided hardware (barring corruption, or players/teams smuggling in software on removeable media), it would make cheating at least a lot more difficult.
@@Fenrasulfrthis is a remote competition, what do you want them to do? Go to every team's place and check their pcs? That is too inefficient and costly.
Oh boy, another ".exe" scandal, and of course its another FPS game!
I didnt expect a language lesson @4:21 but A+ for learning 2 things at once.
Well this case probably used a color based way of enhancing aim, like color recognition by the software to aim at. Since it doesn't need the games memory access, Vanguard would not flag this. But in general it's not too hard to get around Vanguard, even with memory based cheats. How? Pretty simple actually..Vanguard runs on kernerl level? Build a kernel level cheat. There are whole documentaries about this, it's a pretty interesting topic, if you are interested in how programming etc. works.
the problem with vanguard cant detect that thing because it was some sort of those arduino aimbot they just scanned your screen thats why in the .txt its saids u need to put your outline into purple because it easier to scan , because if it was yellow / red its still can be mistaken by the environment of the game (also purple still can be mistaken by astra smokes)
and then the software are mimicking your mouse input sort like aim assist.
the easier sample of this are triggerbot since youre holding 1 pixel only and then whenever someone swing / you swinging the software will send a click input to the game
Valorant is never gonna beat the plagiarism allegations. We even have our own word.exe incident
A chance for Riot to learn how this cheat is working, and make better anti cheat.
don't need to, they got knocked out in the next round lmfaoo
2. Make it like VAC @Infinitetreee
"Ada Indonesia, coy"
But in a worst moment.
When there is a program that is "water tight" thats a challenge to hack it. Its not an IF but WHEN it will happen
I install this rootkit, a chinese spyware on my PC, specifically to avoid cheating issue, surely it will do its job... right?
Evidence?
@@ceadeusx Well, this very video is one piece of evidence showing that it's not working. The channel "Unity Research" has a great video that goes into more details as to why it cannot work.
The one million dollar question is how long this method already spread.
Vanguard is literally useless now. I can't understand why RIOT Games just don't admit it now. Cheating is rampant in Valorant now. Worse than CS2, literally!
Everyone be like "valorants anti cheat is great" bruh you just getting legit hacked on
Forsaken word.exe
His son netflix.exe
Okay, i maybe dumb, but the file is dated 2022. Does that mean the file already exist since 2022? If so, then this cheat already in the game for that long? Bypass the vanguard anticheat? Please enlighten me.
Notice me Dimitri
Next cheat: Sonic.exe
vanguard is not close to "water tight"
Wait, I thought i would see a clip to show the aim assist? The dude was minus kda 40 kills 42 deaths with jet 3 matches. and the team lose the next round. the accusation sounds sketchy.
I was lowkey expecting some shit like this again for val
Bro thats some easy bypass i don't think it disables everything but it disables the kernel level
Bruh even the vanguard cant detect that so that means uninstall league of legends
There you go, the most advanced anticheat ever 😂🤣
It still is. Its not perfect. No anti cheat ever will be perfect. But it is the best one out there
@@ceadeusxhow would you know?
@@tise7709 by comparing its functionality with other kernel based anticheats like eac or battleeye
Word.EXE - Finally a Worthy Opponent!!! OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY !!!!!!!!!!
Btw how come TheScoreEsports won't talk about CS2 cheaters in the major qualifiers but have a whole separate video about a Valorant cheater? A bit of a bias here, no? Considering that CS2 has much more of a cheating problem
There are cheats that bypass kernell level anticheat programs by nos injecting anything into the games memory. They use the visual information the player has access to and forces the character to react based on what is on the screen at the moment. They can be config to seem human like. Also if you install a microcomputer into any external hardware like a keyboard or mouse. That computer can read the memory and process it in a different cpu making it impossible for vanguard to realize it is being processed. Its quite complicated but there are veeery smart ways of cheating. The only way to get caught is by human mistake. AI AC systems are the future becayse software recognition ones are obsolete
Didn’t know Word.exe was getting a part 2 😭
So the potential Chinese root kit anti-cheat sucks? Shocker!
Y'all Valorant players installed spyware and still got hackers lmao
I knew there were cheaters. I've had several games where the enemy team would come back and win from 11-0. All of a sudden some has God aim.
Wow you're telling me Vanguard didn't prevent cheating? /s
It's possible to bypass Vanguard if you watch Unity Research. So why the hell do you give out ring 0 access?
If u watched it u see how complicated it is compared to vac. Watch the entire video. The conclusion of unity research is someting i agree with. If you need to go through such a convaluted process to get slighty better aim and the players not feeling cheated isnt that good enough? Also...why is everyone suddenly worried about his data while giving it to big tech companies like google for free. Its not even proofen that it collects more data as intended while its proofen to decrease the amount of blatant cheaters. For me this simply screams western propaganda of "china bad"
Cheating in multiplayer games never made sense to me the good thing about multiplayer is that you improve and want to improve cause you're against real people that probably have inferiortity or superiority complexes the least you could do is Win Fair
can we go back to the microsoft suite hack names please?
how do you cheat in such a big league? A team needs to have 5 computers at the gaming house that Riot is in control of, not one single program can be DL'ed and/or nothing can be plugged in without it being looked over. These computers are for business, not for personal use, so the players and gaming houses don't need to be in control of those computers (also the league should provide PC's if they want full control)
So this snooping ass thing could easily be disabled and bypassed. Not installing that trash ever.
Recently in valo there's been lot of hacking going, I myself have face wallhacking alot in game
Nothing is 100% lil bro, *im a cyber security student
"Never trust the client"
there is literally vids from cheat devs showing different ways to cheat in valorant and that vanguard is not eve that good. Some methods are only detectable with manual gameplay review...
Dunning krueger moment. If someone says venguard isnt that hard to bypass its to flex. Venguard is not water tight but it still is the best ac out there
@@ceadeusx people who say dunning krueger are example of dunning krueger themself.
And no there is very easy undetectable ways to bypass vanguard. It does filter idiots, but only them.
@@potatopotato7882 sad.. thought there would be an actual answer but u have 0 knowledge like i thought. Otherwise you would've responded with something else then toxicity. Have a nice day.
- mom can we have word.exe?
- we have word.exe at home
the word.exe at home:
nothing is completely impenetrable or watertight...
there no way he did this unironically and not expect to be caught if it isn't for meme I cant broo. If he wanted to be forsaken 2.0 I can honestly expect that more
So the cheating method is not forsaken
exe scandal 2 : Electric boogaloo
Imagine giving ALL your data to daddy Tencent and you still have to play vs cheaters lmao
Well at least his name isn't forsaken again
Funnily enough.... Valorant's Forsaken is Indonesian ! and Netflix.exe was pulled off by an Indonesian is absolute peak !
He could have just named it word. Why netflix? Why?
The cheat they used could've been on the same level as the anti-cheat on the kernel level. So that Netflix program was a driver probably.
So... firstly drivers are not ".exe". Secondly the exe was probably a pixelbot or an ahk script or something similar. Riot cant just ban all ahk scripts / other scripts because there are also legitimate reasons for scripts to run. This does not mean scripts are undetectable tho.
Well, surely he's not Chillin' with that Netflix right now 😂😂😂
Why tf do news web etc always refers to the Indonesian language as "Bahasa", it literally means "Language"
They try so hard to found aimgod player like Forsaken from PRX, but what they got is India's Cheater Forsaken instead 😅😂
Do we finally have something that can take the crown from Word.exe as a cheating meme?
Don't cheat on your meals guys
Dude couldn't hide the .exe
u can't make "tight" anit cheat it will never come to it
Why did they think it was an undetectable name?
Everyone immediately finds it suspicious.
I am fr happy this happend cuz hear me out
now riot HAS to do something they cant let this one slip and they have to rework vanguard if not we as a community will look onto a dead game in a few years...