the way that regi ran the biggest brand with the most loyal fanbase in American e-sports into the ground should be studied in history books, as what not to do
You also need to know it took a decade, regi being barred from org duties itself, before eventually crumbling. And you can also add up the esports layoffs from riot were also affecting other esports teams. So yeah it's a lot of circumstances over circumstances.
@@Blitzkit c9 is still around. Fuck man even dig is still around. Tsm had the most fans and the most loyal fans bar none. It should have been unsinkable. Regi lost his money on a crypto scam, the financial incompetence that could only be accomplished by someone who wound up with too much money whose luck had finally ran out
@@littlebunse5also worth keeping in mind that TSMs most loyal fans also tend to be extremely stupid, which I guess is to be expected in esports, but still, they defended Regi and others during many of their scandals.
I'll give him credit for being very disciplined. The way he played as a pro is no less than the top mid laners at that time, but the way he abuse and bully people is just inacceptable.
What a terrible way to just completely destroy a pillar of the eSports community. Regi should be shamed for all of his bonehead decisions and, more than anything, his greed.
@hypotheticalsinglewoody most of the fools just jump on the fan wagon hate. Dude pays crazy bills for players so unless he has been paying players trash wages then you can't label him greedy.
@@DiabloTommaso this is stupid cause EVERYONE would had taken the deal. No one knew that Sam Bank was secretly stealing money, and using it, other than that he had a buisness that actually worked.
will never get over news outlets saying with a straight face "TSM investigated itself and found itself innocent" every time they have to summarize any TSM-related news
@@markpiper6382 Pretty sure it was him AND his brother that "founded it". Dan Dinh just left early to make his own team because he and Regi had disagreements about the team or something along those lines.
I remember regi from season 2 of LCS or whichever seasons he played for it, and I still remember what he did to Dyrus. The fact that an organization whose owner can do that to an employee, teammate and friend (?) lasted this long is absolutely beyond my small brain's capability to understand.
Bullying. Look up ' Reginald and Dyrus Argument - Full Version'. Tbf if Regi was not the owner of the org, he would 'just' be the shot caller of the team being a massive jerk to his team mate. Either way those players relied on good leadership that Regi could or would not give them, being a massive jerk and such.
It is tremendously sad because a goated team got signed by TSM on Rocket League, knowing the Reginald's rep I don't feel like the org will maintain itself in the scene, truly unfortunate
@@TheRatedOniChannelthat doesn't matter tsm did nothing for Hal. Hal did what he always did the only thing it did was help him negotiate with sponsors but losing tsm means shit. Tsm isn't even popular in Japan. If Hal wanted he could join any JP org he wanted. Crylix will be fine. He has a lot of fans some crazy but he's popular enough
@@Billkeys123every support player in their League of Legend roster, their Challenger series players, their Hearthstone team, 2 junglers, theirs Overwatch team, and the fortnite players they once had
@@moosesandmeese969 Must be new to the scene. A few years ago he made a tweet that a bunch of pros would be "flipping burgers" because they weren't playing well that seasons.
I worked in R6S esports and have been saying this for some years now to close friends, Regi was going to destroy his own empire out of ego and lack of awareness of what he was doing and how he was acting. Even when I moved regions from NA to LATAM/BR I kept hearing crazy and insane things regarding his temper. Went to work with CBLOL and still heard the same stuff from peeps that migrated regions or had friends in the LCS. Its insane the level this man went to destroy his reputation and his brand.
"Theres NO FUCKING WAY I would ever let us end up like CLG. I would sell my house ,car and clothes, my everything to sign the best talent at that point." - Reginald on Reddit, 29 Oct 2021
Any day now Leena will poke her head into Doublelift's co-stream as usual and reveal that SHE was actually the brains behind TSM all along and that the org's collapse was inevitable without her. She will also reveal that she taught Bjergsen how to play Mid, despite never reaching a rank beyond Silver 3 herself.
@@manporo5865 Well REGI was always a psychotic nightmare who treated his team like shit, but making an eGirl groupie a part of his management team surely wasn't a genius move.
@@saintsataniko2116 the fuck are you on about? Leena actually has more experience than the entirety of TSM at any given point. She was working at a high position in Sentinels before she she was DL's gf and became president of TSM.
@@manporo5865 WUT ya' on about, mate? Presumably you mean she was in a "high position" (whatever that means) in Sentinels before she became REGI's gf? And btw anyone that thinks Regi is reprehensible has to wonder why anyone would stay with someone so despicable for so long.
This outcome was basically the only one after the whole FTX implosion, a ton if not all of TSM plans were tie to that money deal and suddenly everything was gone. The final nail in the coffin was leaving the LCS and never securing any spot in other major or even minor region for LoL, the only value the company had was completly gone.
yeah it's pretty insane that they didn't learn from CLG here who had this situation way back in season 1 or 2 with a twitch competitor. Just because there's a contract means that you'll actually get your money and you make business decisions assuming you'll get paid everything in whole...then it's all gone.
i mean you could lead a business you just gotta learn from others and learn to grow. Seems like regi just never did. Same guy when he first started tsm
Dang, must be crazy for ImperialHal, Verhulst, and Reps right now especially since they are about to go into the Apex Legends Global Series (ALGS) Championship....
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? dude; sbf took our money and gave it to TSM or took a huge stake in Anthropic it was a gift. how do you think they grew??? only reason you can blame FTX is that sam was shitting money out. you understand that’s what happened, right? they didn’t lose deals.::::they were promised money over a course of time-ftx collapsed and that money disappeared you are acting like TSM was some profitable business, the industry turned on them because of FTX and now they are in trouble >your uncle says “i’m gonna give you 1 million a year for 10 years >you act like you already have 10m and go on a spending spree >a year later uncle ends up being a cartel member and the money stops flowing you failed because the gravy train dried up that is all that happened
At one point, far in the past, Regi should've acknowledged that TSM grew way out of his control, and he should have hired an experienced person that can handle such a large organization.
Andys older brother, whom I unfortunately forgot his name was ones titled as co-founder. I believe his older brother was the level headed one out of the 2 from the early days. If my memory serves me right he was always the chill one and ive seen him act more of a leader than Andy. I believe if his brother was still around as being the co founder of TSM this organization would be in a better position. TSM was ones my favorite esports organization and haven't followed League for a long time now. I would also see some videos about how TSM is breaking apart, and it saddens me. Now this video pops up on my feed, and because of this news I have finally made my final decision as of today I will be departing from TSM completely as a long time fan since season 1 of LoL. Its hard seeing them fall apart and i dont want to be here when they disappear for good. If by a miracle TSM makes a comeback I will still keep my distance.
yeah dan dinh seemed like a chill dude in those early days of streaming. andy always gave off negative vibes and was a known hot head and asshole. it also makes me wonder what happened to other old streamers of that era, like wingsofdeath ...
“Today my team is going to give away their Nexus, to whatever team they get matched with! Let’s see how many we can give away!” - Mr. Beast if he buys TSM
Just another reminder how terrible Regi is. Literally couldn't handle the bad press to the point he's tanked the company rather than fix the issues. Arguably the biggest narcissist in esports and that's saying something.
They signed a deal that turned out to be basically "Worthless" with FTX. Is it really surprising that expanding based upon that "Investment" screwed them over immensely??
The way I look at it, Regi is probably trying to get out of the scene with as much money as he can. And unfortunately for any TSM fans, Regi's ego is too big for him to simply sell """his""" team. And so the slide into obscurity begins. I'm sure Regi will be far happier hoarding his money in his private bunker, since he can't even be arsed to make a statement, and fans will eventually move on. RIP TSM
Its funny to me that Reginald always defined himself by his succes and put himself over others when in reality he was just a gamer who was at the right spot at the right time, he wasnt even significantly good which is also the reason for his early retirement. He just got incredibly lucky to have some of the greatest e sport personalities on his team, his succes came from other people and he literally had to do nothing but harvest the goldmine and he managed to even fuck up that. This man has no accomplishments but an ego as if he achieved everything. His downfall is deserved. He showed time and time again that he doesnt want to better himself. He is just a bad character and his downfall was his own doing.
The OG Tsm house videos were some of the best days in LoL history imo; Sad to say regi took such a turn in the eyes of the Public. Dude could be such a hero in this community if he just could get his anger together
In all fairness, it was impossible for that announcement to ever come. That's because when the org made it public that they would be selling their LCS slot, they said they would be relocating to *another tier 1 region* , and since TSM wasn't playing in a tier 1 region at that time, it was impossible for this fact to come to fruition.
Tbh at this point the best thing Regi can do for both the org and protecting his own wealth is to simply sell the org while the name "TSM" still has some remaining value. It can be absorbed into one of the newer esports orgs that are well run but don't have a strong brand name. Hire a couple of beloved former TSM figures to be players, coaches, streamers or whatever in order to create a sense of continuity between the old TSM and the new TSM, and boom, you probably can bring back a decent number of the fans lost in the last few years AND save a legendary pillar of esports history
As someone whose stepped away from the esports scene for 3-4 years now. Returning to check out some Score Esports Videos and first and foremost seeing how little views the videos were getting compared to what they used to be then hearing about the rather poor state of esports it’s kinda sad. Last I saw esports looked like it was on the bring of being a good standing regular thing and now it appears as if it’s kinda gone to shit and the views and interest jn the realm as seemingly gone to shit across the board
in Germany we say: "togesagte leben länger" I dont think TSM will just fade away, I mean the 9 people left statement makes no sense since the players are also employees... Even if it would come to an end with the current form of TSM I think there would most certainly be someone willing to buy the org because its still a prestigious name in Esports. lets wait and see what happens in the next few months, I think by then we will have a better picture of whats going on
TSM fans? Where? Who? How are there any fans for an "ESports Org" that barely has any players? Does TSM even have a player at this point? TSM fans have always been the Bjergsen fans, Doublelift fans, Beaulo fans..... fans who are invested to the beloved players. Its history is because of the players and what happened here should be a wake up call to NA Esports Orgs. Your brand can be full of history and achievements but no matter how much money you spend, its always the players that makes your brand alive. Not your lambo flexing, smooth brained CEO or owner. BE GRATEFUL TO YOUR TALENT👏👏👏
The deal with FTX was not partnership. It was a handout. Plain and simple. They got used to a certain level of available cash on hand and adjusted their business and lifestyles accordingly. When this stopped they could no longer afford those adjustments. These aren't astute business people running sustainable operations, they're gamers who have amassed a following and income's from sponsors and ad revenues. Neither are great income streams.
It feels like Reggie has conflated his success as being the best when in reality he was the first. I remember the meme compilations of reggie face checking bushes and making terrible calls. Hes not a good player, hes not a good business person. He simply was one of the first people to create some organization out of the chaos during the formative stages of LoL and have enough savvy to monetize it for himself.
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I’m hoping a well liked and known creator in the space of league of legends acquires TSM to bring it back to what it was known for and recovers the reputation of the organization.
Fondly remembering TSM's golden days in 2013 and 2015 with fantastic rosters featuring players like Dyrus, TheOddOne, Reginald, WildTurtle, Xpecial, Darshan, Xmithie, Pobelter, Doublelift, and aphromoo. Unfortunately, expressing disappointment in Reginald's management decisions and the negative impact on the team's legacy.
As a long time loyal fan I think the only thing Regi ever did good was step down from mid, giving it to Bjergsen. You know everything was going down hill when everyone close to him left. Not to mention all the players that fans come to love left too which didn't help since that was their main attraction initially. Also doesn't help when your CEO is a bully with no leash.
I think people need to stop looking at TSM as an org to learn from in its early heyday and look more towards what Optic has down and how Hecz as an owner to co-owner to OWNER again is the best thing you want in a org a man willing to see how shit selling out the org became that he works so hard to get it back and make it his baby he can grow without the claws of corporate
For me, the sign of the beginning of their downfall was when they disbanded their Rainbow Six Siege team. The team won the world championships and brought in a ton of money for the org, then they dropped all their players and pulled out of that league over night.
I never understood why people were even loyal to teams anyway. When i watched the pro scene I did so for the players which were vontaatly being rotated to other teams.
Been following TSM since season 1 and I can say most of the member previously left was due to Regi Toxic Behavior, He was a business minded kind of guy and I think it good to have someone like that but not to the extend of abusing its title and power.
This was inevitable as these orgs are spending absurd amount of money on players and stuff without figuring proper business model . Over paying way too much
i mean he had to destroy tsm after riot said he had to pay a fine and take classes he had to have the last laugh, cant have people contacting an anon tipline if nobody works there
if you told me in 2015/16 that TSM would fail this miserable, I wouldn't believe it. There is a reason TSM was once the most valuable Esports Team. It makes me really sad, all the good memories.... remaining only in my head.
im confused didnt they do like a video vlog ages ago like ages ago, and it was clear Regi is abusive and a poor leader. Are people surprised this is how its ended? im confused?
its not surprising reginald was a toxic boss. even when he was the midlaner back in 2013 for tsm he seemed more then confrontational, he would come at every player on his team with the "youre dumb" mentality. watch the tsm gamespot documentary series every player he played with was scared to voice their opinion on how to play league cause they would just get berated with insults from reginald.
We all know this would've never gone well, anyone that followed Regi for any extended amount of time will know that the man's ego would've eventually meant his and the org's downfall one way or another. I hope there's some kind hearted investors that can step in and save the brand because Regi is in too deep.
I have been saying this since the first rumor of TSM issues. They were gifted a FTX blank check and spent it like a blank check. This is a sign of poor leadership and business mentality. Reggi won't sell because of ego.
i think this is bad reporting and biased ... according to Twitch, TSM has 44 content streamers...and didnt TSM win ALGS: 2023 Championship? and if you go to the team site, they have an active roster, maybe non competitive for CS, Fortnite, Valorant and Apex. Not including content creators, that stream PUBG, Apex, Tarkov, and various FPS and other games... saying they have 9 employees is bad reporting or half arse biased reporting... AND lets NOT forget.... the RIOT LCS also partnered with FTX... so we cant blame the FTX deal was their downfall...
Pretty obvious it was FTX. Bankman liked to sponser people and brands he liked to get time with them. A $210 million dollar contract over 10 year is $20m a year. For a company that valuation is based on $50m in revenue that mean essential half of your revenue is gone tomorrow. You really have no other option at that point.
For more than five years, I've seen TSM do nothing but upset and let down League of Legends fans who expect more from what the Org and its members are actually capable of. They have been nothing but a source of frustration for me. - I'm certain this applies to more than just me.
Cant wait for Regi to fade into obscurity
Who?
He already did, the score sports again w.o anything good to talk about
Lmao I completely forgot about him already until this video 😂
he stuck to lol like the plague
don't need fame when you have millions 😂
anyone who watched league in the early days (2011-2013) knows andy aka reginald is a terrible person
It's really that bad huh? I wonder how he could stay all these years
@@elstriker2020cause it’s a private company and he’s the majority owner/founder
its a shame that he hasn't seemed to change one bit
The only to say TSM is if someone can force Andy to sign over the company but he'll must likely ask for about 10-20 million
@@mikesmith-gk6fy oh I know that. But right now he is a brand risk, wouldn't it be wise to kick him?
the way that regi ran the biggest brand with the most loyal fanbase in American e-sports into the ground should be studied in history books, as what not to do
Seriously. How tf you fumble the bag THAT BAD
You also need to know it took a decade, regi being barred from org duties itself, before eventually crumbling. And you can also add up the esports layoffs from riot were also affecting other esports teams.
So yeah it's a lot of circumstances over circumstances.
@@Blitzkit c9 is still around. Fuck man even dig is still around. Tsm had the most fans and the most loyal fans bar none. It should have been unsinkable. Regi lost his money on a crypto scam, the financial incompetence that could only be accomplished by someone who wound up with too much money whose luck had finally ran out
@@littlebunse5also worth keeping in mind that TSMs most loyal fans also tend to be extremely stupid, which I guess is to be expected in esports, but still, they defended Regi and others during many of their scandals.
tbf it seems pretty stereotypical american to me.
Not only should Reginald fade away, he should be absolutely blacklisted...
Just look at his face. Says it all, creepy creepy guy.
It's amazing to me how many players get banned by riot from competitive but Andy never got sanctioned for his actions.
I'll give him credit for being very disciplined. The way he played as a pro is no less than the top mid laners at that time, but the way he abuse and bully people is just inacceptable.
@@eprjct He had no discipline...
Toad solo mid
What a terrible way to just completely destroy a pillar of the eSports community. Regi should be shamed for all of his bonehead decisions and, more than anything, his greed.
I also dislike regi, but how was he greedy?
@hypotheticalsinglewoody most of the fools just jump on the fan wagon hate. Dude pays crazy bills for players so unless he has been paying players trash wages then you can't label him greedy.
@@RicePho the ftx debacle was his fault when he saw big money
@@DiabloTommaso this is stupid cause EVERYONE would had taken the deal. No one knew that Sam Bank was secretly stealing money, and using it, other than that he had a buisness that actually worked.
@@DiabloTommasoit was a smart move at the time. Sam fried literally fooled most of the world with his antics.
will never get over news outlets saying with a straight face "TSM investigated itself and found itself innocent" every time they have to summarize any TSM-related news
Doublelift wins another title
😂
Shit he already ended up with his woman what more can he take from him 😂
W comment 😂
Only thing hes gonna win these days, dude has been giga washed for years :s
@@ppggh098 Lmaooo fat W
So sad that one person can ruin a whole org.
He founded it, he can tear it down. I’m more concerned about all the people he fucked over in the process.
that's his point @@markpiper6382
One person? Did you even watch the video?
SBF and Regi are to blame.
@@markpiper6382 Pretty sure it was him AND his brother that "founded it". Dan Dinh just left early to make his own team because he and Regi had disagreements about the team or something along those lines.
I feel bad for the people who lost their jobs. I have zero empathy or sympathy for Regi. He deserves all of this. He had this coming.
I remember regi from season 2 of LCS or whichever seasons he played for it, and I still remember what he did to Dyrus.
The fact that an organization whose owner can do that to an employee, teammate and friend (?) lasted this long is absolutely beyond my small brain's capability to understand.
The biggest clip I remember from him was him yelling at wildturtle and xpecial. Made him look terrible.
What did he do
@@qwert28077search “Regi rages at Dyrus”. Several similar examples
Bullying. Look up ' Reginald and Dyrus Argument - Full Version'. Tbf if Regi was not the owner of the org, he would 'just' be the shot caller of the team being a massive jerk to his team mate. Either way those players relied on good leadership that Regi could or would not give them, being a massive jerk and such.
Not only dyrus but xpecial too, still find it crazy that people overlooked that behavior on game cribs HAHA all the OGs been known this
It is tremendously sad because a goated team got signed by TSM on Rocket League, knowing the Reginald's rep I don't feel like the org will maintain itself in the scene, truly unfortunate
Also Crylix and Shibuya HAL on Apex, with the game scaling down and Japan's scene just crumbling, it is sad to see such a team becoming nothing.
@@TheRatedOniChannelthat doesn't matter tsm did nothing for Hal. Hal did what he always did the only thing it did was help him negotiate with sponsors but losing tsm means shit. Tsm isn't even popular in Japan. If Hal wanted he could join any JP org he wanted. Crylix will be fine. He has a lot of fans some crazy but he's popular enough
Same thing for R6 Siege. Their team won the world championships and then like a month later they dissolved the team without warning.
Lmao Reggie would burn the company before selling it
grab some popcorn friend, get warm by the fire
Would? He already has.
100% correct on this, and if he did sell it he would demand to keep running it, banking on investors being morons....
Great news. TSM have destroyed so many players carrier with their incompetence
Genuinely asking like who?
The only one I know that is doing well in TSM right now is Imperialhal.
@@Billkeys123every support player in their League of Legend roster, their Challenger series players, their Hearthstone team, 2 junglers, theirs Overwatch team, and the fortnite players they once had
Ehh even of true this happens in traditional sports constantly.
@@uglymugsamson3015big E has been growing too
Looks like reggie has to sell that lambo after all 😂
Regi about to be flipping burgers
Nah better, in the streets on a trailer
@@ez2.366 Watch wishing things like that on others, it's not that serious just because you don't like someone
@@Skaypegote Nah he's worth tens of millions of dollars off being the owner of the team. He'll never have to work a day in his life again
@@moosesandmeese969 Must be new to the scene. A few years ago he made a tweet that a bunch of pros would be "flipping burgers" because they weren't playing well that seasons.
I worked in R6S esports and have been saying this for some years now to close friends, Regi was going to destroy his own empire out of ego and lack of awareness of what he was doing and how he was acting. Even when I moved regions from NA to LATAM/BR I kept hearing crazy and insane things regarding his temper. Went to work with CBLOL and still heard the same stuff from peeps that migrated regions or had friends in the LCS. Its insane the level this man went to destroy his reputation and his brand.
Regi killed TSM. There is a video where Dyrus and him are having an argument. I never thought that this would scale up to this.
Regi gets what he deserves
"Theres NO FUCKING WAY I would ever let us end up like CLG.
I would sell my house ,car and clothes, my everything to sign the best talent at that point." - Reginald on Reddit, 29 Oct 2021
Any day now Leena will poke her head into Doublelift's co-stream as usual and reveal that SHE was actually the brains behind TSM all along and that the org's collapse was inevitable without her. She will also reveal that she taught Bjergsen how to play Mid, despite never reaching a rank beyond Silver 3 herself.
Lmao
That was sort of where it all started now that I think about it
@@manporo5865 Well REGI was always a psychotic nightmare who treated his team like shit, but making an eGirl groupie a part of his management team surely wasn't a genius move.
@@saintsataniko2116 the fuck are you on about? Leena actually has more experience than the entirety of TSM at any given point. She was working at a high position in Sentinels before she she was DL's gf and became president of TSM.
@@manporo5865 WUT ya' on about, mate? Presumably you mean she was in a "high position" (whatever that means) in Sentinels before she became REGI's gf? And btw anyone that thinks Regi is reprehensible has to wonder why anyone would stay with someone so despicable for so long.
This outcome was basically the only one after the whole FTX implosion, a ton if not all of TSM plans were tie to that money deal and suddenly everything was gone. The final nail in the coffin was leaving the LCS and never securing any spot in other major or even minor region for LoL, the only value the company had was completly gone.
Spot on
yeah it's pretty insane that they didn't learn from CLG here who had this situation way back in season 1 or 2 with a twitch competitor. Just because there's a contract means that you'll actually get your money and you make business decisions assuming you'll get paid everything in whole...then it's all gone.
The thing is, it could have been salvaged if he sold it or split shares but his ego is too big and ofc he doesn’t want to let go.
This outcome was basically the only one after Regi abused his staff and players, but clearly that's not what's important here.........
Chaox is smiling at this.
The OG's still remember.
Somewhere xpecial is having a laugh
TSM worth 540 Million sounds like overinflation.
540 million FTX tokens
Tbf ftx was big at that time
TSM being anywhere near the top 5 never made sense when compared to more successful orgs like C9, 100T, Faze, NRG, Optic, FNC, and the list goes on.
argentinian pesos
@@manporo5865C9? faze? Optic? Absolutely delusional
This is what happens when you leave a gamer with a high school education as the CEO of a large business.
i mean you could lead a business you just gotta learn from others and learn to grow. Seems like regi just never did. Same guy when he first started tsm
Dude why say anything about his education level. It’s about how he was raised and how he acts in life. Leave his education out of it.
@@jackspinner4727 Because education is a critical factor.. Why should it be left out?
faker might nit be a ceo but i think he does pretty well for himself with his money a d a hs education
its not the education its the atitude
Burger flippers mad at the fact that you should have a bussiness degree to... run a bussiness?
Dang, must be crazy for ImperialHal, Verhulst, and Reps right now especially since they are about to go into the Apex Legends Global Series (ALGS) Championship....
This is what happens when you give a loser power. He loses the power and wastes it all.
mostly ftx being a scam and the interest rate increases meaning that the money has to chase more valuable stuff.
That’s inflation rate not interest rate
Its all connected. Typically the lower the interest, the more people want loans which can cause inflation. @@jackbrady9738
Man, it's so cathartic to see all of Regi's shit come back to absolutely destroy him.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??
dude; sbf took our money and gave it to TSM or took a huge stake in Anthropic
it was a gift. how do you think they grew???
only reason you can blame FTX is that sam was shitting money out.
you understand that’s what happened, right?
they didn’t lose deals.::::they were promised money over a course of time-ftx collapsed and that money disappeared
you are acting like TSM was some profitable business, the industry turned on them because of FTX and now they are in trouble
>your uncle says “i’m gonna give you 1 million a year for 10 years
>you act like you already have 10m and go on a spending spree
>a year later uncle ends up being a cartel member and the money stops flowing
you failed because the gravy train dried up
that is all that happened
At one point, far in the past, Regi should've acknowledged that TSM grew way out of his control, and he should have hired an experienced person that can handle such a large organization.
Andys older brother, whom I unfortunately forgot his name was ones titled as co-founder. I believe his older brother was the level headed one out of the 2 from the early days. If my memory serves me right he was always the chill one and ive seen him act more of a leader than Andy. I believe if his brother was still around as being the co founder of TSM this organization would be in a better position. TSM was ones my favorite esports organization and haven't followed League for a long time now. I would also see some videos about how TSM is breaking apart, and it saddens me.
Now this video pops up on my feed, and because of this news I have finally made my final decision as of today I will be departing from TSM completely as a long time fan since season 1 of LoL. Its hard seeing them fall apart and i dont want to be here when they disappear for good. If by a miracle TSM makes a comeback I will still keep my distance.
His name is Dan I think
@@android18CS2 Yeah I found out not too long ago, thanks!
yeah dan dinh seemed like a chill dude in those early days of streaming. andy always gave off negative vibes and was a known hot head and asshole. it also makes me wonder what happened to other old streamers of that era, like wingsofdeath ...
FTX dying pretty much was the death nail. I knew TSM was going to die as soon as I heard that.
i knew when they partnered 😂😂 i've always been ahead of the wave
Death nail lol
anything attached to crypto dies. But it was free money and would be foolish to not take it
They lost hella sponsors, after that incident, TSM lost trust. Sponsors didnt wanna sponsor. Its too risky.
watching the old TSM videos it was obvious that Regi never should have been in charge, nor was he deserving of it
Have Mr Beast buy TSM he was thinking about buying an esports team anyways. He might revive them unlike Reggie slowly killing them
“Today my team is going to give away their Nexus, to whatever team they get matched with! Let’s see how many we can give away!” - Mr. Beast if he buys TSM
I can’t see MrBeast ever buying an esports team and then not renaming is “the beasts” or something similar to DSG or moist moguls.
@flytelp to be fair that is absolutely the smart thing to do. The team would attract WAY more attention and fans that way.
It would likely have to be some rich youtuber influencer at this point. Owning an LCS team otherwise is like lighting your cash on fire.
He doesn't care about LCS
Just another reminder how terrible Regi is. Literally couldn't handle the bad press to the point he's tanked the company rather than fix the issues. Arguably the biggest narcissist in esports and that's saying something.
Regi messed up when he destroyed that 2016 team. What a fool.
Facts
I've hated TSM for over a decade so this is music to my ears.
Man i remember cheering for tsm back in high school.. I love watching dyrus, oddone, biofrost ❤
Let this be a lesson to everyone. Never trust a man without eyebrows.
They signed a deal that turned out to be basically "Worthless" with FTX. Is it really surprising that expanding based upon that "Investment" screwed them over immensely??
NGL as sad as it is to see, it kinda makes me happy to see karma finally get to regi for all the bulshit he has done through the years
Doublelift really ended Regi lol
Guess he wasn't happy with Regi saying "You know I hit first right?"
Doublelift "Bet."
Couldn't happen to a nicer org.
TSM taking the Crypto scam deal was the final coffin for the organisation.
Im sure the erobb221 signing didn't help
The way I look at it, Regi is probably trying to get out of the scene with as much money as he can. And unfortunately for any TSM fans, Regi's ego is too big for him to simply sell """his""" team.
And so the slide into obscurity begins. I'm sure Regi will be far happier hoarding his money in his private bunker, since he can't even be arsed to make a statement, and fans will eventually move on.
RIP TSM
It all went downhill after they didn't renew Erobb's contract.
Its funny to me that Reginald always defined himself by his succes and put himself over others when in reality he was just a gamer who was at the right spot at the right time, he wasnt even significantly good which is also the reason for his early retirement. He just got incredibly lucky to have some of the greatest e sport personalities on his team, his succes came from other people and he literally had to do nothing but harvest the goldmine and he managed to even fuck up that. This man has no accomplishments but an ego as if he achieved everything. His downfall is deserved. He showed time and time again that he doesnt want to better himself. He is just a bad character and his downfall was his own doing.
The OG Tsm house videos were some of the best days in LoL history imo; Sad to say regi took such a turn in the eyes of the Public. Dude could be such a hero in this community if he just could get his anger together
Glad I jumped ship years ago. Bjerg saw it coming. Cloud9 is the true NA org.
What makes us mad the most is we can look back at Bjerg who gave it his all!! He was TSM
Reginald's net worth is estimated to be around 4.5 million dollars. ..not bad for retirement
Regi was never the reason TSM was successful.
Reginald basically sank the company
In all fairness, it was impossible for that announcement to ever come. That's because when the org made it public that they would be selling their LCS slot, they said they would be relocating to *another tier 1 region* , and since TSM wasn't playing in a tier 1 region at that time, it was impossible for this fact to come to fruition.
I’ve been praying for times like this 🙏
Tbh at this point the best thing Regi can do for both the org and protecting his own wealth is to simply sell the org while the name "TSM" still has some remaining value. It can be absorbed into one of the newer esports orgs that are well run but don't have a strong brand name. Hire a couple of beloved former TSM figures to be players, coaches, streamers or whatever in order to create a sense of continuity between the old TSM and the new TSM, and boom, you probably can bring back a decent number of the fans lost in the last few years AND save a legendary pillar of esports history
As someone whose stepped away from the esports scene for 3-4 years now. Returning to check out some Score Esports Videos and first and foremost seeing how little views the videos were getting compared to what they used to be then hearing about the rather poor state of esports it’s kinda sad. Last I saw esports looked like it was on the bring of being a good standing regular thing and now it appears as if it’s kinda gone to shit and the views and interest jn the realm as seemingly gone to shit across the board
The worst part about TSM not being in LCS is i don't get to root against them.
Don't forget the Sword Art deal. They were spending waaaay too much on mediocre rosters.
in Germany we say: "togesagte leben länger"
I dont think TSM will just fade away, I mean the 9 people left statement makes no sense since the players are also employees...
Even if it would come to an end with the current form of TSM I think there would most certainly be someone willing to buy the org because its still a prestigious name in Esports.
lets wait and see what happens in the next few months, I think by then we will have a better picture of whats going on
TSM fans? Where? Who? How are there any fans for an "ESports Org" that barely has any players? Does TSM even have a player at this point? TSM fans have always been the Bjergsen fans, Doublelift fans, Beaulo fans..... fans who are invested to the beloved players. Its history is because of the players and what happened here should be a wake up call to NA Esports Orgs. Your brand can be full of history and achievements but no matter how much money you spend, its always the players that makes your brand alive. Not your lambo flexing, smooth brained CEO or owner. BE GRATEFUL TO YOUR TALENT👏👏👏
Sad to see. I loved watching TSM play every week in LCS. Legends use to be weekly viewing as well. Bummer
The deal with FTX was not partnership. It was a handout. Plain and simple. They got used to a certain level of available cash on hand and adjusted their business and lifestyles accordingly. When this stopped they could no longer afford those adjustments. These aren't astute business people running sustainable operations, they're gamers who have amassed a following and income's from sponsors and ad revenues. Neither are great income streams.
It feels like Reggie has conflated his success as being the best when in reality he was the first. I remember the meme compilations of reggie face checking bushes and making terrible calls. Hes not a good player, hes not a good business person. He simply was one of the first people to create some organization out of the chaos during the formative stages of LoL and have enough savvy to monetize it for himself.
TSM was destroyed by regi. And he filled his pockets in the process.
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It makes a good story of how some smug kid built an empire and then utterly destroyed it with his big boss attitude.
I’m hoping a well liked and known creator in the space of league of legends acquires TSM to bring it back to what it was known for and recovers the reputation of the organization.
Fondly remembering TSM's golden days in 2013 and 2015 with fantastic rosters featuring players like Dyrus, TheOddOne, Reginald, WildTurtle, Xpecial, Darshan, Xmithie, Pobelter, Doublelift, and aphromoo. Unfortunately, expressing disappointment in Reginald's management decisions and the negative impact on the team's legacy.
You say, "TSM, Only 9 people left!" and thats the big headline
But I hear, "There are 9 people working at TSM... WHAT ARE THEY DOING!?"
As a long time loyal fan I think the only thing Regi ever did good was step down from mid, giving it to Bjergsen. You know everything was going down hill when everyone close to him left. Not to mention all the players that fans come to love left too which didn't help since that was their main attraction initially. Also doesn't help when your CEO is a bully with no leash.
I think people need to stop looking at TSM as an org to learn from in its early heyday and look more towards what Optic has down and how Hecz as an owner to co-owner to OWNER again is the best thing you want in a org a man willing to see how shit selling out the org became that he works so hard to get it back and make it his baby he can grow without the claws of corporate
For me, the sign of the beginning of their downfall was when they disbanded their Rainbow Six Siege team. The team won the world championships and brought in a ton of money for the org, then they dropped all their players and pulled out of that league over night.
TSM had such a cool TH-cam series with their lcs team back in like 2014
I never understood why people were even loyal to teams anyway. When i watched the pro scene I did so for the players which were vontaatly being rotated to other teams.
It seems like every major esports organization that grows fast falls apart quicker. Look back at optic, faze, 100T, eNVy, fear, compLexity, etc
Been following TSM since season 1 and I can say most of the member previously left was due to Regi Toxic Behavior, He was a business minded kind of guy and I think it good to have someone like that but not to the extend of abusing its title and power.
This was inevitable as these orgs are spending absurd amount of money on players and stuff without figuring proper business model . Over paying way too much
Regi inted the whole company away
Ok thescore, where did you steal this breaking story from and forget to credit fully?
i mean he had to destroy tsm after riot said he had to pay a fine and take classes he had to have the last laugh, cant have people contacting an anon tipline if nobody works there
Its beautiful how the even the biggest things at one time can fall into obscurity over their own mistakes
With how toxic Regi was, it was Leena who held the org together. It all went downhill once she left.
Man, I remember the good ol days when they did IRL vods. Good times
"Cant wait for Regi to fade into obscurity" though youre still watching everything to do with tsm?
if you told me in 2015/16 that TSM would fail this miserable, I wouldn't believe it. There is a reason TSM was once the most valuable Esports Team. It makes me really sad, all the good memories.... remaining only in my head.
im confused didnt they do like a video vlog ages ago like ages ago, and it was clear Regi is abusive and a poor leader. Are people surprised this is how its ended? im confused?
its not surprising reginald was a toxic boss. even when he was the midlaner back in 2013 for tsm he seemed more then confrontational, he would come at every player on his team with the "youre dumb" mentality. watch the tsm gamespot documentary series every player he played with was scared to voice their opinion on how to play league cause they would just get berated with insults from reginald.
Sad to see them fall like this
We all know this would've never gone well, anyone that followed Regi for any extended amount of time will know that the man's ego would've eventually meant his and the org's downfall one way or another. I hope there's some kind hearted investors that can step in and save the brand because Regi is in too deep.
I have been saying this since the first rumor of TSM issues. They were gifted a FTX blank check and spent it like a blank check. This is a sign of poor leadership and business mentality. Reggi won't sell because of ego.
i think this is bad reporting and biased ... according to Twitch, TSM has 44 content streamers...and didnt TSM win ALGS: 2023 Championship? and if you go to the team site, they have an active roster, maybe non competitive for CS, Fortnite, Valorant and Apex. Not including content creators, that stream PUBG, Apex, Tarkov, and various FPS and other games... saying they have 9 employees is bad reporting or half arse biased reporting... AND lets NOT forget.... the RIOT LCS also partnered with FTX... so we cant blame the FTX deal was their downfall...
serious question: what if someone bought TSM and went under new management, will the fans return or the legacy just gonna be in it's back?
Pretty obvious it was FTX. Bankman liked to sponser people and brands he liked to get time with them. A $210 million dollar contract over 10 year is $20m a year. For a company that valuation is based on $50m in revenue that mean essential half of your revenue is gone tomorrow. You really have no other option at that point.
Common Reginald L
Has only 9 people employed, the rest are "volunteers".
Think about it, it all started crumbling after FTX went down, some investment or something went horribly wrong.
For more than five years, I've seen TSM do nothing but upset and let down League of Legends fans who expect more from what the Org and its members are actually capable of. They have been nothing but a source of frustration for me. - I'm certain this applies to more than just me.
If people think that TSM is a pillar of eSport no wonder why US eSport is so far behind despite the money ...
Mate what happened to liz does she not work at your channel anymore? Update????