Check out the new 2023 version here: th-cam.com/video/oPD7bwJiYU8/w-d-xo.html Check my deals site for current gaming laptop sales: gaminglaptop.deals What did you think of my rankings, what would you have done differently? 🤔 54:38 I've got an update on this with the MSI GF63. MSI advised me that this can happen if the rear corner screw is not in. After checking my laptop, the screw was in and it appeared to be all the way, however it was about one full 360 degree rotation from being tight. After tightening the screw, this no longer happens. All my other thoughts are unchanged and I don't think this changes my ranking of it, best case we could bump it up to a D.
@@Pheryos probably he is just getting paid well by the heavy weight laptops 🤣 The world wanted a compact laptop. TH-camrs focus is heavy gaming laptops so you can pack an rtx 4090 2.5 kg brick.
went with the dell g15 over a month now, never had bluescreen. they sent tons of software updates. only wish it had sdcard slot. might look into the gigabyte aero 15 (aero 5) not 16. the aero 5 has more ports.
Your videos were a huge help over the last month as I was looking to get my first powerful laptop. I ended up picking the GE 67 raider and it has been better then what I could've imagined. Thank you for helping me make the right decision!
Aye. I'm new to gaming laptops, but the below video has convinced me all you need is the right affordable card to play every games on ultra settings. I got my first gaming laptop for $200 used. The 3050 and the 3060 feel like a side hustle for Nvidia. Source GTX 1060 vs RTX 2060 vs RTX 3060 - Test in 8 Games 💸
Perfect list. The Helios 300 was the biggest surprise after 2021; amazing cooling and power package. Couldn't resist buying one and I am absolutely amazed at how much they packed into it. i7-12700 + 3060 for only $999 is pretty incredible, assuming you can cool it and power it. The Helios is able to do this, and outpaces a lot of i9's and 3070 setups because of it. It really taught me a lot about what to look for in a laptop. You can buy the best parts, but if you can't cool/power them, there's no point. I had no idea about power limits until I watched this channel. Thank you - I would've bought a C-tier laptop or worse, bought a $2500 laptop to remove doubt. Thanks, Jarrod. The best list we'll see, I'm sure.
I'm new to gaming laptops, but the below video has convinced me all you need is the right affordable card to play every games on ultra settings. I got mine for $200 used. The 3050 and the 3060 feel like a side hustle for Nvidia. Source GTX 1060 vs RTX 2060 vs RTX 3060 - Test in 8 Games 😊
you're an actual god send for making this video with black friday right around the corner, i rarely ever like and sub to someone but you absolutely deserve it with how highly informative your videos are and extremely helpful
Hi, Jarrod! Your laptop site looks great! When you and/or your dev gets a chance, I really believe "sorting" by "percentage discount" and/or "Jarrod's Ranking" would be net positives to the site. They are really easy to implement too with your footable and bootstrap setup(the layout of your current site). It's also REALLY easy to make these features expandable. Meaning users could initially experience a nice and succinct table, abut then drill down to what they care about.
Thanks, we're using a Wordpress plugin which definitely has some limitations with how we can sort. I don't think we could do that without putting the % difference in its own column and making it a bit messier. Basically we have noob tier dev skills and are not intending on doing anything custom at all, if the wp ninja tables can't do it, basically we're out. Update: actually my partner who manages the site said it might be possible to do with the drop down sorting menu, we'll check it out. That said, is sort by % even important? Not sure how useful it is just to see biggest deals if it's not even a model you might not actually care about at all.
Yes it would be great to see tattype of selection option for someone like me and trying to get my son a gaming pc and the more I try to learn or compare the more options I’m more confused over so if I could just straight go to best prices I may can get is more push in making my decision being I’m not rich. I’d just get what was lowest price deal on good rated and I’d be done! Just my two cents!
your videos helped me purchase a laptop - I went for the Zephyrus G15 for size, Battery life and gaming performance. Thank you for the time and trouble making these great videos.
One my friends was in love with the Helios laptops when it was a great option a couple of years ago he used to recommend it to everyone (he owned 1 ) he would be so happy to see the Helios back at the top RIP Omar
Unless Lenovo terribly messes things up like Acer did to Helios, Legion will always remain an S tier Gaming Laptop. I'm waiting to see what they do with the new 4000 series GPU's. I'm expecting a 4K60 Legion 9i Gaming Laptop from them soon 🙂
I bought the Helios 300 (3060) at best buy for $1k on whim a couple weeks ago. $500 off MSRP just seemed like too good of a deal to pass up. I've been nothing but pleased with it. Good to see you agree it's a fantastic laptop for the money. It validates me spending a grand on whim!
@@abusiness8783 I travel a lot for work, so it's my gaming setup from hotel rooms. I play lots of FiveM and have done lots of MW2 and WZ2 lately. Getting 120-130 FPS in MW2 at 1080 native mid settings.
Got the 3070 TI edition and its amazing. One thing I don't think it gets the love for is the ports - this goes for the 3060 edition as well - 3 USB 3.2 ports - HDMI that directly connects to the gpu - Display port 1.4 - Thunderbolt / usb-c that can be used to charge. I actually got it on sale for 1800 but the 3060 is still going for 999 - would highly recommend it - even over the Lenovo's.
@@SergioBridgett@MojoManGaming Could you please tell me if it is better to go with acer's original website to purchase laptop instead of bestbuy. Have you purchased accidental protection. I think it is necessary to have one. But I am not sure if I can get good after sales services from acer
@@mojomangaming8058 Could you please tell me if it is better to go with acer's original website to purchase laptop instead of bestbuy. Have you purchased accidental protection. I think it is necessary to have one. But I am not sure if I can get good after sales services from acer
Great video Jarrod! One thing I would suggest you to take a closer look is display output options/generations. Considering the quite strong mid-range lineup and the fact that many would use their laptops connected to an external display, there are serious limitations in the mid-range (or even upper-mid-range) For example, I think it's a totally realistic scenario that you want to connect your 1440p HDR 144Hz monitor to your new gaming laptop with a 3060 or 3070, but you can not do that with a Displayport 1.2 or HDMI 2.0b connection. That's the exact reason why I did not buy the TUF A15 last week, although I could get it on a great deal, but I went with the Legion 5 instead, with HDMI 2.1, Displayport1.4 Keep up the good work!
Its costlier than ever also. What do you expect, it was known for its very competitive pricing which is gone this year. Became premium from high end budget.
@@FriendlyPCGamers I don't find it that expensive compared to other laptops like the legion, rog, omen,Dell, even tuf f15 same specs 2022 cost little more in india
@@darkphoienx8163 yes, i can see the msrp of 1550 usd compared to last years 1450 usd, its good, but here in India its on different price, nearly 1850usd for 3060 model.
After binge watching your channel over the last few days, esp. this vid, your various Legion and Asus reviews, the 6800H vs 12700H vid, and gtx 3060 vs 3070ti vid, I finally bit the bullet and bought the Legion 5i with 12700 and 3060 for $1149 + tax from B&H (also using your gaming laptop deals site). Thank you so much Jarrod! Keep up the hard work!
What a list! Loved the content, great as usual. Unfortunately my laptop(Strix g17) is missing from the list. I think it would belong to B tier, but would have loved to hear from Jarrod what he thinks.
I got last year's Acer Nitro 5 and to be honest, it has been a really nice laptop. I got mine configured with 24GB of RAM off the bat and it feels really good.
Thanks Jarrod, i literally had the helios 300 in my wishlist. I wanted to check if the laptop was as good as it seemed on paper as the blacl friday deal looked too good to be true. I am putting it in cart now. Thanks.
The video I’ve been needing! I’ve been watching a ton of your laptop videos and have been going back and forth on which one to get so thank you for this video.
Great job, Jarrod! I think we're at the point where we'll start seeing 32GB of RAM soldered onto the 14" laptops going forward. I'm curious to see how they manage cooling with the powerful 4000 series GPUs right around the corner. At this point in time, I agree with your ratings...it seems Lenovo is the manufacturer to beat right now
I think Flow X16 is like the best of both the M16 and G15, only problem is that the screen costs a much bigger premium. I would have put it like low A, but I guess top of B works too.
I have changed my 2021 Asus ROG SCAR15 AMD 3070 to a 2022 Lenovo 5i PRO 3070ti. Worth it. Never tought I ll buy a Lenovo for gaming, but it just works.
Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind the laptop rankings! I love my Helios but one thing that bothers me is the "Liquid Metal Thermal Grease" which needs to be re-applied every year or two.
I've been really, REALLY considering the Asus Flow X16. The fact that it's a 165hz QHD gaming laptop while also being a 2-in-1 with MPP 2.0 pen support means it can run double duty as a powerful gaming machine AND a heavy duty drawing and 3D art tablet, which is what I've been wanting for so many years it's insane. I always wanted the Concept D 7 Ezel since it has Wacom EMR + RTX 2080/3080, but those $3000+ prices are insane. Best Buy occasionally has the 3060 version of the X16 on sale for $1800, or $1600 open box, which is way more palletable.
I actually got myself an ASUS flow x16 for college as I find it as great fit for personal use and school life at the same time (Just ordered it). I noticed that laptop has a perfect rival for it which is the MacBook pro 16 fully specked out. The pricing is identical to one another for sure though the MacBook pro is slightly more expensive. In performance they're practically the same thing, and both use the same technology of mini led both hitting max cap of 1100 nits. With the flow x16 also having industrial look to it as well allowing for me to not stand out in public, it truly feels like I just got the windows version of the MacBook pro 16 fully specked out with added benefits that apple doesn't have. I can't wait for delivery day, and I definitely felt like I made the right choice.
@@z0fial I've had mine for a couple of weeks now. It's a great laptop. It can feel a bit big sometimes though. I have the ips model but it's still a beautiful glossy display and gets very bright.
@@z0fial Can you tell us about your experience when it arrives? I'm also looking for a portable well specd gaming laptop and I'm trying to decide between the x16 and the 7i slim, but I would say the x16 provide a little bit more of upgrade room with the xg mobile.
YESSIR ITS HERE!!! THANK YOU JARROD!!! And Yes Jarrod I agree we do need more coloured laptops than white/grey! you've been the one to throw me down into obsessing over tech vids. One day ill afford one of these laptops to replace my 11yr old laptop 😂 hopefully in the future i get something from Legion cuz its like my crush laptop, but situations make it impossible to get atm. See many new entries this year and competitionn is tight! that's great!
I expected atleast an A for flow x16. It's expensive but it's one of the best experiences money can buy. Just for starters, it has same Macbook like Glossy 1440p Mini-Led display but better - 165hz, G-sync, TOUCH SCREEN, and super bright.
A word of caution about Legion laptops: Last year I bought a Legion 5 on Jarrod's recommendation, and it was definitely S tier until the warranty expired. Shortly after that it started struggling really really badly with thermals, and now its a shadow of its former self. It's not even really possible to repaste these things as they use a proprietary paste, and most people don't get positive results from repasting. I've cleaned it, undervolted it, repasted it with the $50+/gram special paste, nothing fixes it. This is a pretty common issues with Legion laptops I've come to find out (google Legion thermal issues), and its practically bricked now. It went from 60fps+ on nice settings in CP2077 to 89-91c temps playing indie side scrollers and throttles to
I also bought an older Legion Y740 at this channel's recommendation. It similarly to your case lasted me only about a year and a few months, so after the warranty had expired. Horrible experience overall, I was a student and this was to be my new all around laptop coming from another aging gaming laptop which is still running fine by the way, just weak battery and aging hardware made it a good time to upgrade. During my time owning it, multiple things started to fail. First the light bars in the back vents went out then the trackpad cover started to peel off. Sent it in for warranty once because games were crashing on startup, they kept it for 2 FRICKIN MONTHS and when I finally got it back, notes said they had to replace the whole main board lol
I guess next time you buy a Legion laptop, renew the warranty when it’s close to expiring. If that doesn’t work with your next Legion, then idk use the Helios 300.
@@d1kgaws12 Never again from me. Gaming laptops are kind of an oxymoron in my opinion now. I'm keeping this toasty thing until it dies, building a desktop, then replacing the Legion with a tablet for couch browsing.
Wow: What a lot of work on our behalf! As usual: Thanks Jarrod! Your reviews on laptops have replaced 3 other reviewers for me! You always have more information, at least for my liking! Thank You.
I picked up a Lenovo 5i pro a few weeks ago thanks to your comments in previous videos. No regrets, it runs great and the build quality is outstanding, and there are some very good deals available if you're willing to wait for the discounts to stack up.
I was watching the review videos before I picked up my gaming laptop. I decided to take a chance, before he had any reviews on it, on the Helios 300 3070TI version. I have had it freeze two times over the course of roughly 7 months. Besides that and the turbo mode fans, I think it was a great buy! Very pleased and have recommended it to friends for the price point. I don't care about the trackpad issue as I always bring my own mouse to work, to play, to do anything on any computer.
I bought an MSI Raider GE77, and I've been really happy with it thus far. Glad to see the lower priced version of it tested so well. I used your review videos at the beginning of the year to help me decide on which laptop to buy. I wanted the Legion 7i originally, but unfortunately it wasn't available at the time.
It was either not available or had a Terrible launch price, I was going for the 7i but the price was too unforgiving at launch, so I went with the GE77 with 3070ti Bought mine in Aug and was just enjoying the hell outta it
@@manifestationofjason4726 Bought mine about mid-July with the exact same specs. Great laptop and does everything I need it to. A little bulky for my taste, but I'll sacrifice portability for performance.
I am looking at the MSI GT77 Titan but I ended up going with an Alienware X17 R2 because MSI doesn't have gSync - do you find the lack of gsync noticeable or problematic for gaming? (I can return the Alienwarre still, which is why I am asking) Thanks for your input!
FINALLY! Been waiting for this video for quite some time now. Thanks Jarrod, imo you're the best laptop/tech reviewer out there! Btw when will you review the L5P AMD version and would you still consider Neo 15 as the best?
Picked up a Asus TUF F15 (2022) 12650H/RTX3060 (105w) on a great deal and have enjoyed it a lot! I usually go 70 series GPU but I couldn't pass up the deal on this laptop. I came from a 7700hq/gtx1070 and yes it was a major improvement over that lol.
Managed to grab a Legion 5 with a I7 12700H, 16GB DDR5, 512GB SSD and RTX 3070 for around 1377 Euro in Romania. Will add another 1TB SSD in the near future. Also mine came with the 300W brick.
@@okayeasy812 yes every penny. All games run super smooth. And it still amazes me how much power this thing has for a laptop. I think the RTX 3070 is the best bang for buck (laptop and desktop) GPU you can get at the moment. To put it in desktop terms (if you don't overclock the 3070 from lenovo vantage) it's on par to around 10 to 15% better than a Desktop RTX 3060
Love this video, feel more confident having ordered the legion 7i after best buy junked out & gave me my money back for my 2020 razer blade 15 (thank you geek squad warranty).
I'm currently using an MSI GE66 11UH which is similar to the GE67 reviewed here sans OLED panel (still 240Hz 1440p and very good panel). I'm generally happy with it but the lack of G-Sync/Variable Refresh is pretty noticeable in games that don't have solid frametimes. Seeing Lenovo consistently top the charts for like 3 years now means I'll definitely be looking to buy a Legion 5 Pro or Legion 7 next year, especially since they all have G-Sync panels. I tried the Asus Zephyrus G15 but the keyboard is horrifyingly bad. It feels okay but the actuation is very wonky and misses a lot of keypresses unless you type with a lot of force and hit keys dead on the center. I really like MSI's Steelseries keyboards and I hope Lenovo Legions have proper keyboards with tactile feel and reliable actuation.
Ive been waiting for this!! Thank you Jarrod amazing as always ❤️ (I was waiting for it mainly to decide between helios 300 and legion 5 pro tho so im still torn lol)
Honestly I feel like the g14 deserved the S tier. It’s hard to pack so much into a thin and light laptop and STILL have a very good battery life rating. I’ve had it for a while after replacing my 2020 gs 66 stealth and let me tell you this laptop packs way more from battery to power which is pretty sweet. One thing is yeah it sucks they moved into all amd and it does get hot at times when gaming but I rather it let the user cap their laptops to whatever they want unlike the Alienware and razer 14 in where they bottleneck you off the start. Might be a little biased but honestly I had the first g14 in 2020 when they released and returned it since it wasn’t what I expected but now after 2 years they improved it so much. Really think it could of reached s tier since for what it is really is a great product for its price! Wanted to add the only real complaint is that they should of stuck with nvidia graphics. Amd is good and all but nvidia definitely takes the cake on best mobile gpu rn. But still really don’t think that should be enough to bump it down since the amd gpu still runs games very well!
I thoroughly enjoy my Aero 16 laptop, it has ample disk space (2TB) and 32GB of ram, and I find it's gaming performance great. The screen is also gorgeous. I tried Asus ROG and other laptops and those felt cheaper. The main downside is the lack of ports, but coming from a Macbook, I'm already used to dongles.
yup dongle life ftw XD TBH stock aero 16 is piece of crap, but 2023 GCC Sofware fixes almost all of the bugs, making this laptop good (or even superb) performer compared to price. And btw you can flash 115-130W TGP vbios from clevo and get much better perf from 3070ti, albeit at a higher temps internally. For me personally, when taking price into consideration it's a steal (literally you could buy 3060 max for the same price - and with 1TB and 16Gigs of ram)
Re: Alienware rear lightbar vs Legion and Strix front bar, I'd take Alienware's. I don't have to see the light, I need the light to make sure I can see where stuff on my desk is, like my mug or my mouse after the mouse's light fell asleep after I got a drink or whatever. Speaking of mice RGB....I can understand saving battery/power especially on wireless mice but why can't the damn things run the light in reverse, ie, light off by default then after a while without activity, so long as the wireless mouse is on/computer that wired mouse is hooked up to is on, it switches on the light for 5mins at which point it either switches off again (hey if I'm gone that long...) or switches off because there's an input.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the videos; they're so helpful. Right now I can get a Gigabyte A5 K1 with a 3060 for $650, or a Legion 5 with a 3050 ti for about the same price. I like the Gigabyte, but is it high enough quality in comparison?
I must disagree about a few placements. Flow X16 certainly is worthy of A or higher, cause it's very mobile, has great screen and still has a webcam, and it comes with expandability a tier above rest of Zephyrus line-up. Asus Z13 could get there as well, but it's not as good on its own, so B is OK. Duo 16 moves the keyboard lower and that makes laptop use on the go wrist aching more so I'd keep it B or C. Now the Scar models I'd put lower in both cases respectively. Why? Cause they're laptops with worse port situation and no webcam. Had Asus used the keystone thingy for something truly useful, it would have made more sense, but alas it's crap... so the chassis is plasticky, and underutilised. The Zephyrus G14 actually is great as a small device on its own, with great battery and performance and screen as well, it should end at S even. G15 seems to be eclipsed by M16, as it comes with better WiFi in most markets compared to Mediatek's one in AMD laptops, so I'd keep those close but with M16 also offering screen benefits I'd warrant pushing it higher, certainly above TUF A15 or the Scars...
M16 is a good laptop, better aspect ratio, more powerful cpu. it will run hotter and louder due to the slimmer design than some other gaming laptops, and will throttle a bit. i didn't like the rubbery coating they use. it can be a dust magnet and make it hard to clean. it could also wear off over time. consider getting a skin kit for it to avoid most of the downside that comes with that.
He's always preferred Lenovo legion over Asus laptops. So S tier was guaranteed for legion laptops, whereas less than S tier was guaranteed for the M16 even though it's basically the same package as the legion 5i pro, with better screen & better battery life.
Next year I think it would be awesome to do a different tier list. Instead of S to F ranking have the tiers be how much I would pay for this laptop. Especially around the holiday season it would be awesome to have a full recap like this so that when sales pop we have a point of reference. Like the Helios 300 being somewhere in the $1200 rank but on sale for $1000 is a steal. Or the Nitro 5 which maybe a lower rank but if you put it in the $900 tier and it went on sale for $750 on Black Friday again that would be steal even if it’s a C tier laptop. Do you get what I mean?
Helios 300[2022] is definitely awesome, with dlss and fsr and u can play every game at 1440p ultra and this laptop is currently lesser price as contrast to its other variants, if u only want create videos and do gaming this is a topnotch laptop,however if u r a all rounder user i'd suggest a different laptop. edit:i currently own one and its really awesome.
You are correct, the GT77 Titan IS S-Tier for me. The most powerful, most configurable, and can be fitted (as with my previous GE-76 from last gen) with a dual power supply and the GPU unlocked to 210 watts, the best desktop replacement system in the world at this time. And I can unhook, pick it up, throw it in my bag and fly to Curacao for the weekend and use it in my bungalow, 4K gaming at 150FPS as always. "Class B because it's thick"....oyy....idiot millennials.
Helios 300 and Legion 5i pro are the best out of all these. Price and performance are perfect with what they are actually capable of. Personally Legion 7i should get an A. Not worth getting 7i if you have 5i pro in market.
Funny you said that since Legion 5i Pro is all I can find in Lenovo lineup in my country, Legion 7i is just a Unicorn here I couldn't find one since Jarrod reviewed it months ago.
Recently got the Omen 16 Advantage Edition 2022 model with 6650M and it's excellent. It's faster than my friends 2021 (130w) and 2022 (140w) Legions with 3060 on average across 8 games we tested. Plus it was WAY cheaper at around 3050ti Legion price point. It also has a auto MUX in the form of Smart Access Graphics, and things like Smartshift Max, SAM etc work very well. Temps are great as well, CPU peaks at 85 degrees while the GPU maxes out at 79 degrees. Extremely happy with it.
Sounds like a really neat laptop; wish Jarrod could've reviewed it. If you'd be so nice to answer me: How's the build quality, and do you find that the screen wobbles too much?
The G14 won the 14" gaming laptop of the year award also the fact that ACER made an S-tier laptop is impressive, especially since they're not too known for QC 🍨🚿📘
For people asking for a Helios 300 vs Legion 5i Pro review, I’ll save you the time: Legion is better. Just watched Jarrod’s 2022 Helios 300 review. The Legion has a better keyboard, trackpad, and ports. Also a brighter and faster screen, and quieter fans. Legion you can easily add any M.2 drives you want but the Helios is weirdly designed and looks like it’ll only accept the shorter M.2 drives - not good at all. And similar performance across all tests. Also the Helios has the ugly lid logo, RGB, the big chin, and gap where the hinge connects to the body. Pretty ugly IMO. So yeah. Legion 5i Pro all the way.
The stuff you listed is why I'd lean towards the Legion 5i Pro myself. However, I'll give props to Acer where it is due because clearly all the negative feedback got them to finally up their game. It's a step in the right direction if they can keep it up. By next year I really hope they completely redesign the Helios chassis and make it a little more stealthy and better looking and improve the thermals further without having to make it sound like it'll take flight during turbo mode. This year I bought two gaming laptops. A Nitro 5 w/RTX 3060 and 10300h and a Legion 5i w/RTX 3060 and 12700H. I would have just kept using my Nitro 5 but I ran into so many issues with the Nitro 5, from bad thermals to my screen completely glitching out of nowhere and not being able to use the 144hz mode anymore. I'm very wary about buying Acer products again and if anybody asks I'd tell them to get ASUS or Lenovo before an Acer, but I want them to get better because I want the gaming laptop market to get better.
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams that would be my take for asus TUF series 😂. I've got the old version TUF 505 with 1050ti + intel i5 8th gen, ran into problem right out of the box and bluescreen every now and then (even now). I know they've improved over the years and can even compare to legion 5i, but personally, i wouldnt be buying asus again anytime soon...
@BayuF Every laptop manufacturer has its duds, but in my experience ASUS have been the most reliable and I've had ASUS laptops for years. I still have my ASUS TUF from 2019 with GTX 1650/3550H and it's still more reliable than my Nitro 5. Bluescreen issues are one thing, and I had plenty of BSOD issues with the Nitro 5 as well, but the worst thing is that my Nitro 5 still doesn't work right in 144hz. It also stopped working in 60hz mode for a bit so I had to use the laptop with my TV for a while until it miraculously fixed itself. But I'm happy with the 5i. It's the nicest laptop I've ever owned and I wanna use it as my main laptop for a good while. I'd pick the 5i Pro just on the basis of how good my 5i is.
Not much going around content-wise for the MSI Katana series. Loving mine, loving these comparison videos too! Finding the right choice based on functions / performance / quality needs, Jarod's videos are brilliant for learning what you need to know to help make an informed choice. Spent 6 months researching parts for a build last year (to be fair I was out of the PC loop for a decade and had a lot of info catchup to do). Channels like this is what helped me navigate the very muddy PC parts waters, and do a great build. Appreciate the info and effort to bring it to us!!
Jarrod hello I want to ask you a question. If you had to choose between legion 5 2021 and tuf a 15 2022, which one would you choose. I'll buy a new laptop and I can't decide it yet.
im really interested on getting asus rog zephyrus g14/15/m16 line, but heard about the thermal heat issues causing the decrease performance, damage to the other components, heat distribution to the keyboard that could grill fingers, and also the bad fan exhaust that can affect the lower display discoloration. is it really that bad? what do you think?
Loved the video! i got on a black friday deal the predator helios 300 for £1599. I7 12700h with 3070ti and 16 ddr5 ram and 1tb ssd. Qhd 165hz 17,3 inch screen and 150w. Absolutely love this laptop and your review of the laptop was spot on!
Bought the G14 cause of you and I love the performance to size ratio been sucha great conversation starter cause of the animatrix HAHA although out of box there were a lot of errors so it needed some configuration eitherway so much happier with the upgrade
Hi! I'm really upon buying it, but I see that there are a lot of problems (the screen collapses because of weak joints to the rest of the body, blue screens, horrible drivers). Can you help? What sort of problems did you have and are you happy overall with the laptop?
Check out the new 2023 version here: th-cam.com/video/oPD7bwJiYU8/w-d-xo.html
Check my deals site for current gaming laptop sales: gaminglaptop.deals What did you think of my rankings, what would you have done differently? 🤔
54:38 I've got an update on this with the MSI GF63. MSI advised me that this can happen if the rear corner screw is not in. After checking my laptop, the screw was in and it appeared to be all the way, however it was about one full 360 degree rotation from being tight. After tightening the screw, this no longer happens. All my other thoughts are unchanged and I don't think this changes my ranking of it, best case we could bump it up to a D.
Why didn't you rank th hp omen 17 16 15 2022 models it got good features now
@@Pheryos maybe because he didn't got omen laptop for review
@@Pheryos probably he is just getting paid well by the heavy weight laptops 🤣
The world wanted a compact laptop.
TH-camrs focus is heavy gaming laptops so you can pack an rtx 4090 2.5 kg brick.
went with the dell g15 over a month now, never had bluescreen. they sent tons of software updates. only wish it had sdcard slot. might look into the gigabyte aero 15 (aero 5) not 16. the aero 5 has more ports.
There’s no discord link brother
Your videos were a huge help over the last month as I was looking to get my first powerful laptop. I ended up picking the GE 67 raider and it has been better then what I could've imagined. Thank you for helping me make the right decision!
care to elaborate? (no sarcasm)
Aye.
I'm new to gaming laptops, but the below video has convinced me all you need is the right affordable card to play every games on ultra settings. I got my first gaming laptop for $200 used.
The 3050 and the 3060 feel like a side hustle for Nvidia.
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GTX 1060 vs RTX 2060 vs RTX 3060 - Test in 8 Games
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same and i just bought asus A15 3070 6800H with 1300 euro
@@hamzabouchoucha4303 are u happy? I ordered it yesterday and not really sure if I will regret it?
@@MovieBulldog yes 100 %
Perfect list. The Helios 300 was the biggest surprise after 2021; amazing cooling and power package. Couldn't resist buying one and I am absolutely amazed at how much they packed into it. i7-12700 + 3060 for only $999 is pretty incredible, assuming you can cool it and power it. The Helios is able to do this, and outpaces a lot of i9's and 3070 setups because of it. It really taught me a lot about what to look for in a laptop. You can buy the best parts, but if you can't cool/power them, there's no point. I had no idea about power limits until I watched this channel. Thank you - I would've bought a C-tier laptop or worse, bought a $2500 laptop to remove doubt. Thanks, Jarrod. The best list we'll see, I'm sure.
(No touch pad looseness to report. I can provide video if you'd like.)
Its a borderline criminal act of manufacturers to not include heat and power metrics.
I picked one up for £1000 in the UK and can confirm it's a great machine. Although it's on sale with the qhd 3070 variant for 1100 now 😞
Is it better than Acer nitro?
I'm new to gaming laptops, but the below video has convinced me all you need is the right affordable card to play every games on ultra settings. I got mine for $200 used.
The 3050 and the 3060 feel like a side hustle for Nvidia.
Source
GTX 1060 vs RTX 2060 vs RTX 3060 - Test in 8 Games
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you're an actual god send for making this video with black friday right around the corner, i rarely ever like and sub to someone but you absolutely deserve it with how highly informative your videos are and extremely helpful
Hi, Jarrod!
Your laptop site looks great! When you and/or your dev gets a chance, I really believe "sorting" by "percentage discount" and/or "Jarrod's Ranking" would be net positives to the site. They are really easy to implement too with your footable and bootstrap setup(the layout of your current site).
It's also REALLY easy to make these features expandable. Meaning users could initially experience a nice and succinct table, abut then drill down to what they care about.
Thanks, we're using a Wordpress plugin which definitely has some limitations with how we can sort. I don't think we could do that without putting the % difference in its own column and making it a bit messier. Basically we have noob tier dev skills and are not intending on doing anything custom at all, if the wp ninja tables can't do it, basically we're out.
Update: actually my partner who manages the site said it might be possible to do with the drop down sorting menu, we'll check it out. That said, is sort by % even important? Not sure how useful it is just to see biggest deals if it's not even a model you might not actually care about at all.
Yes it would be great to see tattype of selection option for someone like me and trying to get my son a gaming pc and the more I try to learn or compare the more options I’m more confused over so if I could just straight go to best prices I may can get is more push in making my decision being I’m not rich. I’d just get what was lowest price deal on good rated and I’d be done! Just my two cents!
@@JarrodsTechit’d be interesting to see
@@JarrodsTech I can Code fore You
your videos helped me purchase a laptop - I went for the Zephyrus G15 for size, Battery life and gaming performance. Thank you for the time and trouble making these great videos.
One my friends was in love with the Helios laptops when it was a great option a couple of years ago he used to recommend it to everyone (he owned 1 ) he would be so happy to see the Helios back at the top
RIP Omar
RIP Omar :(
Will pray for him
RIP Omar
I will buy Helios this weekend in his honor
Unless Lenovo terribly messes things up like Acer did to Helios, Legion will always remain an S tier Gaming Laptop. I'm waiting to see what they do with the new 4000 series GPU's. I'm expecting a 4K60 Legion 9i Gaming Laptop from them soon 🙂
4000 series GPUs = $4000 laptop :D
@@Sr1njan GT77 is already over $4000 so one with RTX 4000 GPU would be closer to $5000
Legion 9? Pls don’t give them any ideas :P The Legion 7 is already expensive enough………..
@@gmiblessed Well I'm just gonna watch benchmarks until there is a 50% off sale ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@omeomahardad4858 They will probably be 4K120. It’s a lot better and more common now
I bought the Helios 300 (3060) at best buy for $1k on whim a couple weeks ago. $500 off MSRP just seemed like too good of a deal to pass up. I've been nothing but pleased with it. Good to see you agree it's a fantastic laptop for the money. It validates me spending a grand on whim!
What have you used it for? I’m eyeing it right now
@@abusiness8783 I travel a lot for work, so it's my gaming setup from hotel rooms. I play lots of FiveM and have done lots of MW2 and WZ2 lately. Getting 120-130 FPS in MW2 at 1080 native mid settings.
Got the 3070 TI edition and its amazing. One thing I don't think it gets the love for is the ports - this goes for the 3060 edition as well - 3 USB 3.2 ports - HDMI that directly connects to the gpu - Display port 1.4 - Thunderbolt / usb-c that can be used to charge. I actually got it on sale for 1800 but the 3060 is still going for 999 - would highly recommend it - even over the Lenovo's.
@@SergioBridgett@MojoManGaming Could you please tell me if it is better to go with acer's original website to purchase laptop instead of bestbuy. Have you purchased accidental protection. I think it is necessary to have one. But I am not sure if I can get good after sales services from acer
@@mojomangaming8058 Could you please tell me if it is better to go with acer's original website to purchase laptop instead of bestbuy. Have you purchased accidental protection. I think it is necessary to have one. But I am not sure if I can get good after sales services from acer
Looking at your laptop reviews helped me solidify my final laptop choice. Thanks man
Exactly what I needed right now! Thanks for putting in so much effort into your video.
Great video Jarrod!
One thing I would suggest you to take a closer look is display output options/generations.
Considering the quite strong mid-range lineup and the fact that many would use their laptops connected to an external display, there are serious limitations in the mid-range (or even upper-mid-range)
For example, I think it's a totally realistic scenario that you want to connect your 1440p HDR 144Hz monitor to your new gaming laptop with a 3060 or 3070, but you can not do that with a Displayport 1.2 or HDMI 2.0b connection.
That's the exact reason why I did not buy the TUF A15 last week, although I could get it on a great deal, but I went with the Legion 5 instead, with HDMI 2.1, Displayport1.4
Keep up the good work!
Really happy to see Acer’s Predator Helios being at the top again. Nice video Jarrod!
Literally it has best thermals with maximum usage of cpu and GPU 👍 hats off to acer
Its costlier than ever also. What do you expect, it was known for its very competitive pricing which is gone this year. Became premium from high end budget.
@@FriendlyPCGamers 3060 version going for $999
@@FriendlyPCGamers I don't find it that expensive compared to other laptops like the legion, rog, omen,Dell, even tuf f15 same specs 2022 cost little more in india
@@darkphoienx8163 yes, i can see the msrp of 1550 usd compared to last years 1450 usd, its good, but here in India its on different price, nearly 1850usd for 3060 model.
After binge watching your channel over the last few days, esp. this vid, your various Legion and Asus reviews, the 6800H vs 12700H vid, and gtx 3060 vs 3070ti vid, I finally bit the bullet and bought the Legion 5i with 12700 and 3060 for $1149 + tax from B&H (also using your gaming laptop deals site). Thank you so much Jarrod! Keep up the hard work!
What a list! Loved the content, great as usual.
Unfortunately my laptop(Strix g17) is missing from the list. I think it would belong to B tier, but would have loved to hear from Jarrod what he thinks.
I've got the same model so I would also be curious about what he thinks on where it places on the list.
Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to review it so I couldn't say where it would end up.
@@JarrodsTech Yeah it's impossible to test them all, completely understand. But I think I got a rough Idea from your list, so that's good.
Loved the video. Thank you for doing these, i know they are not easy to make and take A LOT of time but man i need more people like you in my life.
I got last year's Acer Nitro 5 and to be honest, it has been a really nice laptop. I got mine configured with 24GB of RAM off the bat and it feels really good.
Acer Nitro 5 laptops offer some of the best value in the gaming laptop space imo.
TUF definitely deserves the praise. Couldnt be happier with my F-15 and i use it for coding, gaming and simple rendering
I have the 2020 1440p 144 Hz version and I felt it was time to upgrade so I chose the 2022 A15 with a 165 Hz 2500 x 1600 screen. What have I done…. 😂
Thanks Jarrod, i literally had the helios 300 in my wishlist. I wanted to check if the laptop was as good as it seemed on paper as the blacl friday deal looked too good to be true. I am putting it in cart now. Thanks.
The video I’ve been needing! I’ve been watching a ton of your laptop videos and have been going back and forth on which one to get so thank you for this video.
Great job, Jarrod! I think we're at the point where we'll start seeing 32GB of RAM soldered onto the 14" laptops going forward. I'm curious to see how they manage cooling with the powerful 4000 series GPUs right around the corner. At this point in time, I agree with your ratings...it seems Lenovo is the manufacturer to beat right now
Super helpful overview! Thanks so much for putting this together!
I think Flow X16 is like the best of both the M16 and G15, only problem is that the screen costs a much bigger premium. I would have put it like low A, but I guess top of B works too.
Very excited to get my hands on the x14 R1 . Will get it tomorrow . Bought the 3050ti + i7 variant for $999 ( black friday sale )
Hi Sid, where did you buy it?
I have changed my 2021 Asus ROG SCAR15 AMD 3070 to a 2022 Lenovo 5i PRO 3070ti. Worth it. Never tought I ll buy a Lenovo for gaming, but it just works.
My god what a work you've got in to making this review. Thank you so much! Keep up the good work! Greets from the Netherlands! 💪
Thank you for explaining the reasoning behind the laptop rankings!
I love my Helios but one thing that bothers me is the "Liquid Metal Thermal Grease" which needs to be re-applied every year or two.
ahh i was hoping this wasnt the case, so does it drastically drop in performance every year or two?
@@arz563 I asked around and people are saying you should do it every 2 years or until you notice a drop in performance
I mean every Laptop needs to have it's thermal paste re-applied because they're all being used and becoming hot for years
I watched the 2021 version of this, and the 2022 was just as fun. looking forward to this each end of the year! Advanced happy holidays Jarrod! 🍨🚿📘
🍦🚿📚
I've been really, REALLY considering the Asus Flow X16. The fact that it's a 165hz QHD gaming laptop while also being a 2-in-1 with MPP 2.0 pen support means it can run double duty as a powerful gaming machine AND a heavy duty drawing and 3D art tablet, which is what I've been wanting for so many years it's insane. I always wanted the Concept D 7 Ezel since it has Wacom EMR + RTX 2080/3080, but those $3000+ prices are insane. Best Buy occasionally has the 3060 version of the X16 on sale for $1800, or $1600 open box, which is way more palletable.
I actually got myself an ASUS flow x16 for college as I find it as great fit for personal use and school life at the same time (Just ordered it). I noticed that laptop has a perfect rival for it which is the MacBook pro 16 fully specked out. The pricing is identical to one another for sure though the MacBook pro is slightly more expensive. In performance they're practically the same thing, and both use the same technology of mini led both hitting max cap of 1100 nits. With the flow x16 also having industrial look to it as well allowing for me to not stand out in public, it truly feels like I just got the windows version of the MacBook pro 16 fully specked out with added benefits that apple doesn't have. I can't wait for delivery day, and I definitely felt like I made the right choice.
@@z0fial I've had mine for a couple of weeks now. It's a great laptop. It can feel a bit big sometimes though. I have the ips model but it's still a beautiful glossy display and gets very bright.
@@z0fial Can you tell us about your experience when it arrives? I'm also looking for a portable well specd gaming laptop and I'm trying to decide between the x16 and the 7i slim, but I would say the x16 provide a little bit more of upgrade room with the xg mobile.
YESSIR ITS HERE!!! THANK YOU JARROD!!! And Yes Jarrod I agree we do need more coloured laptops than white/grey! you've been the one to throw me down into obsessing over tech vids. One day ill afford one of these laptops to replace my 11yr old laptop 😂 hopefully in the future i get something from Legion cuz its like my crush laptop, but situations make it impossible to get atm. See many new entries this year and competitionn is tight! that's great!
I expected atleast an A for flow x16. It's expensive but it's one of the best experiences money can buy. Just for starters, it has same Macbook like Glossy 1440p Mini-Led display but better - 165hz, G-sync, TOUCH SCREEN, and super bright.
Finally!! was waiting for this video since last month after watching the 2021 ranking. Can't wait for the Awards and top worst and best too.
Editing awards at the moment for next week, top 5 best & worst scheduled for Friday 👍
A word of caution about Legion laptops:
Last year I bought a Legion 5 on Jarrod's recommendation, and it was definitely S tier until the warranty expired. Shortly after that it started struggling really really badly with thermals, and now its a shadow of its former self. It's not even really possible to repaste these things as they use a proprietary paste, and most people don't get positive results from repasting. I've cleaned it, undervolted it, repasted it with the $50+/gram special paste, nothing fixes it. This is a pretty common issues with Legion laptops I've come to find out (google Legion thermal issues), and its practically bricked now. It went from 60fps+ on nice settings in CP2077 to 89-91c temps playing indie side scrollers and throttles to
It's like they software broke it? That sucks
I also bought an older Legion Y740 at this channel's recommendation. It similarly to your case lasted me only about a year and a few months, so after the warranty had expired. Horrible experience overall, I was a student and this was to be my new all around laptop coming from another aging gaming laptop which is still running fine by the way, just weak battery and aging hardware made it a good time to upgrade.
During my time owning it, multiple things started to fail. First the light bars in the back vents went out then the trackpad cover started to peel off. Sent it in for warranty once because games were crashing on startup, they kept it for 2 FRICKIN MONTHS and when I finally got it back, notes said they had to replace the whole main board lol
I guess next time you buy a Legion laptop, renew the warranty when it’s close to expiring. If that doesn’t work with your next Legion, then idk use the Helios 300.
@@denshaSai Yeah, there's a big rumor that it was either a problem or something nefarious in a bios update.
@@d1kgaws12 Never again from me. Gaming laptops are kind of an oxymoron in my opinion now. I'm keeping this toasty thing until it dies, building a desktop, then replacing the Legion with a tablet for couch browsing.
Wow: What a lot of work on our behalf! As usual: Thanks Jarrod! Your reviews on laptops have replaced 3 other reviewers for me! You always have more information, at least for my liking! Thank You.
I picked up a Lenovo 5i pro a few weeks ago thanks to your comments in previous videos. No regrets, it runs great and the build quality is outstanding, and there are some very good deals available if you're willing to wait for the discounts to stack up.
Could you please tell me where is the deal for lenovo legion 5i pro?
Same got one lol
Jarrod and Dave Both are tech Legends 💯💯
What about Linus Tech Tips?
Still running last year's Lenovo Legion 5 Pro R7/3070. Still rocks.
how many hours of battery life does that give you? it's 5800h cpu, right? i think the 5i pro 12700h with 3070 gets like 5.5-6 hours, at best.
I've been waiting for this annual video!!
Would really love an OLED legion 5 model with high refresh rate at 14" or less to compete with the Asus G14. I'd work my butt off for it
10.000k sure xD
Lenovo saw your comment.
Absolutely great timing Jarrod! I was really waiting for you to upload a video like this one
There will also be a best/worst of and my yearly awards coming over the next few days!
I was watching the review videos before I picked up my gaming laptop. I decided to take a chance, before he had any reviews on it, on the Helios 300 3070TI version. I have had it freeze two times over the course of roughly 7 months. Besides that and the turbo mode fans, I think it was a great buy! Very pleased and have recommended it to friends for the price point. I don't care about the trackpad issue as I always bring my own mouse to work, to play, to do anything on any computer.
The best ultimate comparison !!! EXCELLENT JOB JARROD🎉🎉🎉
I bought an MSI Raider GE77, and I've been really happy with it thus far. Glad to see the lower priced version of it tested so well. I used your review videos at the beginning of the year to help me decide on which laptop to buy. I wanted the Legion 7i originally, but unfortunately it wasn't available at the time.
It was either not available or had a Terrible launch price, I was going for the 7i but the price was too unforgiving at launch, so I went with the GE77 with 3070ti
Bought mine in Aug and was just enjoying the hell outta it
@@manifestationofjason4726 Bought mine about mid-July with the exact same specs. Great laptop and does everything I need it to. A little bulky for my taste, but I'll sacrifice portability for performance.
You did a proper choice and will enjoy. i had both and i prefer MSI GE/GP versions over Lenovo.
I am looking at the MSI GT77 Titan but I ended up going with an Alienware X17 R2 because MSI doesn't have gSync - do you find the lack of gsync noticeable or problematic for gaming? (I can return the Alienwarre still, which is why I am asking) Thanks for your input!
@@wolfgaidin It depence on what kind of monitor you are using. i don't have any issues.
FINALLY! Been waiting for this video for quite some time now. Thanks Jarrod, imo you're the best laptop/tech reviewer out there! Btw when will you review the L5P AMD version and would you still consider Neo 15 as the best?
Picked up a Asus TUF F15 (2022) 12650H/RTX3060 (105w) on a great deal and have enjoyed it a lot! I usually go 70 series GPU but I couldn't pass up the deal on this laptop. I came from a 7700hq/gtx1070 and yes it was a major improvement over that lol.
How much did you get it for?
Managed to grab a Legion 5 with a I7 12700H, 16GB DDR5, 512GB SSD and RTX 3070 for around 1377 Euro in Romania. Will add another 1TB SSD in the near future. Also mine came with the 300W brick.
Worth it? Hows the peformance on games?
@@okayeasy812 yes every penny. All games run super smooth. And it still amazes me how much power this thing has for a laptop. I think the RTX 3070 is the best bang for buck (laptop and desktop) GPU you can get at the moment. To put it in desktop terms (if you don't overclock the 3070 from lenovo vantage) it's on par to around 10 to 15% better than a Desktop RTX 3060
@@alexandrumarinescu1 What's ur discord?
buy it now, I paid €1700 for it yesterday in Italy.
@@okayeasy812 incredible performance, and silent mode is very quiet
Love this video, feel more confident having ordered the legion 7i after best buy junked out & gave me my money back for my 2020 razer blade 15 (thank you geek squad warranty).
Glad to see the Zephyrus Duo 16 be at B tier. I have the Zephyrus Duo 15 SE from last year, and I am still very much satisfied with it.
I love this video. I might copy you and do one like this next year
I'm currently using an MSI GE66 11UH which is similar to the GE67 reviewed here sans OLED panel (still 240Hz 1440p and very good panel).
I'm generally happy with it but the lack of G-Sync/Variable Refresh is pretty noticeable in games that don't have solid frametimes.
Seeing Lenovo consistently top the charts for like 3 years now means I'll definitely be looking to buy a Legion 5 Pro or Legion 7 next year, especially since they all have G-Sync panels.
I tried the Asus Zephyrus G15 but the keyboard is horrifyingly bad. It feels okay but the actuation is very wonky and misses a lot of keypresses unless you type with a lot of force and hit keys dead on the center. I really like MSI's Steelseries keyboards and I hope Lenovo Legions have proper keyboards with tactile feel and reliable actuation.
i got my legion 5 recently and the keyboard is honestly great! i dont think you have to worry about that:)
Ive been waiting for this!! Thank you Jarrod amazing as always ❤️ (I was waiting for it mainly to decide between helios 300 and legion 5 pro tho so im still torn lol)
Honestly I feel like the g14 deserved the S tier. It’s hard to pack so much into a thin and light laptop and STILL have a very good battery life rating. I’ve had it for a while after replacing my 2020 gs 66 stealth and let me tell you this laptop packs way more from battery to power which is pretty sweet. One thing is yeah it sucks they moved into all amd and it does get hot at times when gaming but I rather it let the user cap their laptops to whatever they want unlike the Alienware and razer 14 in where they bottleneck you off the start. Might be a little biased but honestly I had the first g14 in 2020 when they released and returned it since it wasn’t what I expected but now after 2 years they improved it so much. Really think it could of reached s tier since for what it is really is a great product for its price!
Wanted to add the only real complaint is that they should of stuck with nvidia graphics. Amd is good and all but nvidia definitely takes the cake on best mobile gpu rn. But still really don’t think that should be enough to bump it down since the amd gpu still runs games very well!
Thank you very much for your hard work, great reviews and ranking table.
I thoroughly enjoy my Aero 16 laptop, it has ample disk space (2TB) and 32GB of ram, and I find it's gaming performance great. The screen is also gorgeous. I tried Asus ROG and other laptops and those felt cheaper. The main downside is the lack of ports, but coming from a Macbook, I'm already used to dongles.
yup dongle life ftw XD
TBH stock aero 16 is piece of crap, but 2023 GCC Sofware fixes almost all of the bugs, making this laptop good (or even superb) performer compared to price. And btw you can flash 115-130W TGP vbios from clevo and get much better perf from 3070ti, albeit at a higher temps internally.
For me personally, when taking price into consideration it's a steal (literally you could buy 3060 max for the same price - and with 1TB and 16Gigs of ram)
Best laptop comparison video I’ve ever seen. Great job!
Glad you liked it!
Re: Alienware rear lightbar vs Legion and Strix front bar, I'd take Alienware's. I don't have to see the light, I need the light to make sure I can see where stuff on my desk is, like my mug or my mouse after the mouse's light fell asleep after I got a drink or whatever.
Speaking of mice RGB....I can understand saving battery/power especially on wireless mice but why can't the damn things run the light in reverse, ie, light off by default then after a while without activity, so long as the wireless mouse is on/computer that wired mouse is hooked up to is on, it switches on the light for 5mins at which point it either switches off again (hey if I'm gone that long...) or switches off because there's an input.
Thumbs up for your hardworking! I always like your detailed explained videos. GOOD LUCK!
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the videos; they're so helpful. Right now I can get a Gigabyte A5 K1 with a 3060 for $650, or a Legion 5 with a 3050 ti for about the same price. I like the Gigabyte, but is it high enough quality in comparison?
You should go for 3060
@@darkphoienx8163 I would, but it has bad software and Gigabyte's notoriously bad support, so idk.
@@eclipsemantis but rtx 3060 is 40%-50% better than rtx 3050ti, you may checkout Jarrod's rtx 3050ti vs rtx 3060
Watching this video on my TUF A17 😍😍!! Great content!!
Why didn't you do a review of the new tuf dash series cuz it made lots of improvements this year
I wasn't able to get a hold of one.
Excellent summary - great reference chart - thanks!
Glad to see my newly purchased legion 5i pro with i7 12700h and rtx 3070 ti in S tier 😎
Literally just bought an m16 on sale yesterday thanks to your reviews! Thanks for the help!
I must disagree about a few placements. Flow X16 certainly is worthy of A or higher, cause it's very mobile, has great screen and still has a webcam, and it comes with expandability a tier above rest of Zephyrus line-up. Asus Z13 could get there as well, but it's not as good on its own, so B is OK. Duo 16 moves the keyboard lower and that makes laptop use on the go wrist aching more so I'd keep it B or C. Now the Scar models I'd put lower in both cases respectively. Why? Cause they're laptops with worse port situation and no webcam. Had Asus used the keystone thingy for something truly useful, it would have made more sense, but alas it's crap... so the chassis is plasticky, and underutilised. The Zephyrus G14 actually is great as a small device on its own, with great battery and performance and screen as well, it should end at S even. G15 seems to be eclipsed by M16, as it comes with better WiFi in most markets compared to Mediatek's one in AMD laptops, so I'd keep those close but with M16 also offering screen benefits I'd warrant pushing it higher, certainly above TUF A15 or the Scars...
M16 is a good laptop, better aspect ratio, more powerful cpu. it will run hotter and louder due to the slimmer design than some other gaming laptops, and will throttle a bit. i didn't like the rubbery coating they use. it can be a dust magnet and make it hard to clean. it could also wear off over time. consider getting a skin kit for it to avoid most of the downside that comes with that.
He's always preferred Lenovo legion over Asus laptops. So S tier was guaranteed for legion laptops, whereas less than S tier was guaranteed for the M16 even though it's basically the same package as the legion 5i pro, with better screen & better battery life.
Thank you jarrod! Great video as always
Tuf 15 at A tier. didn't really expect that from a mid ranged reasonably priced laptop
Tuf increased their design, thermals and component a lot this year.
hey Jarrod, Do you recommend Legion Slim 7 AMD or Asus Flow X16 for good battery life and portability?
Next year I think it would be awesome to do a different tier list. Instead of S to F ranking have the tiers be how much I would pay for this laptop.
Especially around the holiday season it would be awesome to have a full recap like this so that when sales pop we have a point of reference. Like the Helios 300 being somewhere in the $1200 rank but on sale for $1000 is a steal. Or the Nitro 5 which maybe a lower rank but if you put it in the $900 tier and it went on sale for $750 on Black Friday again that would be steal even if it’s a C tier laptop.
Do you get what I mean?
Absolutely, i was about to ask for same idea. Pricing is really important
That's a brilliant idea. He could still do that now to be honest
Been waiting for this!!! Thx!!
Helios 300[2022] is definitely awesome, with dlss and fsr and u can play every game at 1440p ultra and this laptop is currently lesser price as contrast to its other variants, if u only want create videos and do gaming this is a topnotch laptop,however if u r a all rounder user i'd suggest a different laptop.
edit:i currently own one and its really awesome.
Very helpful video ! Currently searching for a new laptop that is powerful enough to game capture ! So many options ! Hard to choose 1 ! 😃
You are correct, the GT77 Titan IS S-Tier for me. The most powerful, most configurable, and can be fitted (as with my previous GE-76 from last gen) with a dual power supply and the GPU unlocked to 210 watts, the best desktop replacement system in the world at this time. And I can unhook, pick it up, throw it in my bag and fly to Curacao for the weekend and use it in my bungalow, 4K gaming at 150FPS as always. "Class B because it's thick"....oyy....idiot millennials.
Exactly
Msi titan should take S
Its the most powerful laptop in the world right now
Waiting for this, always op job jarrod
Helios 300 and Legion 5i pro are the best out of all these. Price and performance are perfect with what they are actually capable of. Personally Legion 7i should get an A. Not worth getting 7i if you have 5i pro in market.
@@justinianbyzantium3765more rgbs and I think slightly better cooling system thats it nothing else.
+RGB = + FPS
Funny you said that since Legion 5i Pro is all I can find in Lenovo lineup in my country, Legion 7i is just a Unicorn here I couldn't find one since Jarrod reviewed it months ago.
@@alexd.5970 it has like 30% more RGB, so roughly 20 more FPS.
Your videos have been most helpful. Thank you. I got a Legion 5i Pro last week
Recently got the Omen 16 Advantage Edition 2022 model with 6650M and it's excellent. It's faster than my friends 2021 (130w) and 2022 (140w) Legions with 3060 on average across 8 games we tested. Plus it was WAY cheaper at around 3050ti Legion price point.
It also has a auto MUX in the form of Smart Access Graphics, and things like Smartshift Max, SAM etc work very well. Temps are great as well, CPU peaks at 85 degrees while the GPU maxes out at 79 degrees. Extremely happy with it.
Sounds like a really neat laptop; wish Jarrod could've reviewed it.
If you'd be so nice to answer me: How's the build quality, and do you find that the screen wobbles too much?
Hey man , found you when looking for new laptop.Great channel , helped me picked just what i needed. Thank you
Glad I could help!
The G14 won the 14" gaming laptop of the year award also the fact that ACER made an S-tier laptop is impressive, especially since they're not too known for QC 🍨🚿📘
Straight to the point and no annoying intro.. like!
For people asking for a Helios 300 vs Legion 5i Pro review, I’ll save you the time: Legion is better. Just watched Jarrod’s 2022 Helios 300 review. The Legion has a better keyboard, trackpad, and ports. Also a brighter and faster screen, and quieter fans. Legion you can easily add any M.2 drives you want but the Helios is weirdly designed and looks like it’ll only accept the shorter M.2 drives - not good at all. And similar performance across all tests. Also the Helios has the ugly lid logo, RGB, the big chin, and gap where the hinge connects to the body. Pretty ugly IMO. So yeah. Legion 5i Pro all the way.
The stuff you listed is why I'd lean towards the Legion 5i Pro myself. However, I'll give props to Acer where it is due because clearly all the negative feedback got them to finally up their game. It's a step in the right direction if they can keep it up. By next year I really hope they completely redesign the Helios chassis and make it a little more stealthy and better looking and improve the thermals further without having to make it sound like it'll take flight during turbo mode.
This year I bought two gaming laptops. A Nitro 5 w/RTX 3060 and 10300h and a Legion 5i w/RTX 3060 and 12700H. I would have just kept using my Nitro 5 but I ran into so many issues with the Nitro 5, from bad thermals to my screen completely glitching out of nowhere and not being able to use the 144hz mode anymore. I'm very wary about buying Acer products again and if anybody asks I'd tell them to get ASUS or Lenovo before an Acer, but I want them to get better because I want the gaming laptop market to get better.
Helios' screen is more accurate though, also the Helios' raw performance is slightly better than the Legion's (compare the numbers from the review)
@@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams that would be my take for asus TUF series 😂. I've got the old version TUF 505 with 1050ti + intel i5 8th gen, ran into problem right out of the box and bluescreen every now and then (even now). I know they've improved over the years and can even compare to legion 5i, but personally, i wouldnt be buying asus again anytime soon...
@@andreabeccarisi1126 Not at all. Legion is slightly ahead in some tests and slightly behind in others. Watch it again. Legion is far better overall.
@BayuF Every laptop manufacturer has its duds, but in my experience ASUS have been the most reliable and I've had ASUS laptops for years. I still have my ASUS TUF from 2019 with GTX 1650/3550H and it's still more reliable than my Nitro 5.
Bluescreen issues are one thing, and I had plenty of BSOD issues with the Nitro 5 as well, but the worst thing is that my Nitro 5 still doesn't work right in 144hz. It also stopped working in 60hz mode for a bit so I had to use the laptop with my TV for a while until it miraculously fixed itself.
But I'm happy with the 5i. It's the nicest laptop I've ever owned and I wanna use it as my main laptop for a good while. I'd pick the 5i Pro just on the basis of how good my 5i is.
Fantastic and very helpful vid. I'm totally using this guide for good deals on these laptops in 2023
Thx you Jarod. I always wait your video
Incredible video !!! Most helpful laptop reviews I've ever seen ❤️ now to choose 1 😃
Not much going around content-wise for the MSI Katana series. Loving mine, loving these comparison videos too!
Finding the right choice based on functions / performance / quality needs, Jarod's videos are brilliant for learning what you need to know to help make an informed choice.
Spent 6 months researching parts for a build last year (to be fair I was out of the PC loop for a decade and had a lot of info catchup to do). Channels like this is what helped me navigate the very muddy PC parts waters, and do a great build.
Appreciate the info and effort to bring it to us!!
These videos just keep getting better and clearer to understand
Glad you like them!
auto like for the insane amount of work for this video (and all reviews too) you have really good statements on your reviews
Jarrod hello I want to ask you a question. If you had to choose between legion 5 2021 and tuf a 15 2022, which one would you choose. I'll buy a new laptop and I can't decide it yet.
Great video as always keep up the good work👍🏾. As for me I’ll be getting the flow x16 or M16
Love the shirt, haven't listened to them in ages.
I was waiting for this 👍
im really interested on getting asus rog zephyrus g14/15/m16 line, but heard about the thermal heat issues causing the decrease performance, damage to the other components, heat distribution to the keyboard that could grill fingers, and also the bad fan exhaust that can affect the lower display discoloration.
is it really that bad? what do you think?
Unfortunately, I don't get them for long periods of time to test it all out, but I haven't heard of widespread issues with discoloration.
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the vine boom sound effect really got me there lmao
Loved the video! i got on a black friday deal the predator helios 300 for £1599. I7 12700h with 3070ti and 16 ddr5 ram and 1tb ssd. Qhd 165hz 17,3 inch screen and 150w. Absolutely love this laptop and your review of the laptop was spot on!
It is great that you compile such chart. It helped me last year in making a decision to buy Lenovo Legion 7 (2021 AMD version).
I love tier lists so im definitely gonna love this video
what a fantastic video! loved it!!!!!
Bought the G14 cause of you and I love the performance to size ratio been sucha great conversation starter cause of the animatrix HAHA although out of box there were a lot of errors so it needed some configuration eitherway so much happier with the upgrade
Hi! I'm really upon buying it, but I see that there are a lot of problems (the screen collapses because of weak joints to the rest of the body, blue screens, horrible drivers). Can you help? What sort of problems did you have and are you happy overall with the laptop?
Hi Jarrod, always comes in clutch with the gaming laptop info, I wanna know is the Aorus 15p worth it ?
Another fantastic video, with the new gpu’s around the corner, I might wait to upgrade
Hey Jarrod, what do you think of The (GIGABYTE AERO 5 XE4 - 12700h + 3070ti) ? its on black friday special right now , feedback plz