ELAC Debut Reference Speaker DBR62 Audiophile Goodness under $600 Pt.1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ม.ค. 2020
- Andrew Jones' latest ELAC Debut Reference Speaker review starts here! Unboxing and more, we give you our early impressions as we start the break-in process for a long term relationship with these very awesome and affordable truly audiophile Hi Fi speakers.
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Just watched my first FOMO vid. Instantly subbed. Long time audiophile and I really enjoyed your “style” and approach to audio vids. Really nice job and keep up the good work- Thanks
I like your choice in audio gear. I agree with you 100%.
I have been literally waiting for a review of these since there were announced last year....thank you...
I am a huge fan of mine. They have way more punch than what meets the eye. I really didn’t expect to hear what I did when i turned them up. The sound fills the room and they put a nice separation of instruments in the music. Well done Andrew Jones.
The way you do your reviews is awesome. You got a new sub here ;) Will test these within the next couple of weeks.
Thanks! Great video! I agree completely and totally what you've said about the ELAC DBR62 sound and about In-Room sound demos. Thanks and keep up the good work!
I have his pioneer line for my home theater... I love how his engineered speakers sound... they punch way above their weight class. Just added an HSU sub, and I’m completely blown away every time I listen to music... one day I may upgrade to the ELAC line
Pho Tato the cross overs and drivers are fantastic in these speakers and better than many speakers even some much more expensive. Even the tweeter has large oversized magnets you won’t find in anything near this price point. When I upgrade I’ll be getting something much more expensive and it won’t be incremental... plus I would want something a little more appealing visually... I won’t be upgrading anytime soon.
That being said you should get them you will not be disappointed.
I have a pair of 6.2's active crossed at 85Hz to a pair of well tuned high quality subs. Been doing audio a loong time, and a huge fan of Andrew Jones. My money would be on the 6.2's as the diminishing returns point. I like the Listening Room, I subbed and looking forward to more speaker reviews.
Just saw you for the first time and subscribed. I like your perspective, I like that you actually have the technology to do your own measurements, I like your commentary. Here is the only thing, the whole time I was watching this video the thought that kept going through my head was, "somebody please turn the lights on!".
Still planning a full review of these? Thoughts vs the Triangle BR03?
Nicely done. Look forward to more soon.
This is going to be great! You are doing yeoman's work here! Looking forward to more
Excited about the new content. I have owned B&W 804's, Sonus Faber Venere 2.5, family member had some Thiel 3.6 now I am down to some NHT for home theater, that serve me well, but it might be time to get a pair of nice bookshelf for music/ht. I will be watching enthusiastically.
AJ I’m a fan of people who are open to different brands. It gets annoying when someone only pushes their favorite brand. Cheers!
Thanks a lot for your video. I would like to know if there is another video on this subject?
How will these sound for home theater with the matching center?
Any thoughts on how they’d compare to the Dali Oberon line?
When do you think Pt. 2 will post? It's surprising quiet out there re. the Debut Reference.
New subscriber here! Man are you good! 😬🤔🤓 Very unique presentation and I've seen a lot of presentations in my time here on TH-cam.🤪😬😉🤗 Now, I have 3 more hours of your content to watch.😉🤫🤫
Great presentation man, like your look too
What do you think of Martin Logan 35 XT(i) bookshelf speakers ? ..or the Martin Logan Motion 15(i) ???
I have a Pioneer thx94 Elite receiver, 09... It's a 7-140 per channel. Now to run a 2 channel stereo set up, on the Elac unified b52 s, do I put the wire to the front speakers a-b or something else, this is a 6 ohm speaker, any thoughts on this would be much appreciated, 🤘 thanks! ❤️😁
What brand should I go with? I’m looking to upgrade to a home theater sound system with Dolby Atmos overheads speakers! I’m currently using a pair of Echo studios. I’m renting a room right now and I’m gonna be purchasing a new home in a few months so I want to have a home theater system ready for when I move in
I am torn between this speaker of the new Unifi 2.0 UB52 which is three way. Any suggestions?
How do these go in a stereo setup for movies ? Do they carry much bass weight ?
Is there a part 2 or full review of these speakers?
I had the Jones-designed Pioneers and found them too rolled off at the top. I have two pairs of the B6.2 and they are better (after using an EQ to boost the top). Now they shine.
DBR-62 are flat on top not rolled off. I also like little brighter sound and I boost top +2dB and it's perfect.
How does this speaker pair vs the Triangle Bro3? I was waiting for a Elac review.
Bro3 are very very bright. See Z-Reviews review. These Elacs are perfect flat well balanced.
I’m confused... is there a separate channel called “The Listening Room” where we can find these reviews of speakers? He mentions it towards the end of the video. I don’t find many speaker reviews on this channel.
Please review the ELAC Vela speakers. They might rival your Revels (which, I agree are great speakers).
Sounds good. I'm listening (subscribed) I'd sure like to hear your take on Harbeth or Hegel. I think these 2 manufacturers (perhaps) maintain value in that dreaded valley
of diminishing returns. Andrew Jones can take a seat with the best designers of (now) low cost speakers and (earlier) high end units. Elac has proven to be a good
sandbox for him to play in. I should pick up a pair of these new Debuts so I can marvel like every other good reviewer (besides you) "is". Hmmmm
A detailed review of these speakers coming soon?
What's a good integrated amp to pair with these for under 1k?
How would you compare the debut reference to the revel m16?
Ah. So you've switched to being a TV review channel. Damn you for making the right choice!
Are these Elac Reference 95% close to Legacy Audio HD Monitors? I am on the fence on this speaker.
let's get right down to it which is better those reference speakers or the elac UniFi B5????🤔✌
UniFi's hands down. Unless you have lower power.
For all home theater or if you have high frequency hearing loss, the UB5's might be better. For music/home theater mix with no hearing loss, the Reference's are near perfect.
How do these compare to the elac adante?
I have them and they require high and quality watts. I have tried them with hybrid integrateds of 50 and 80W and boy they have incredible body and bass like a subwoofer. I listened with the new Musical Fidelity A1 and their tonality is awesome, extended highs (not rolled off) and just enough bass (although they need more watts for fuller midrange and extended bass). I'm going to recap the tweeter because they really deserve it. I compared them to the new Andew Jones Mofi Sourcepoint 8 and they sound amazingly similar: the Mofis put more textured bass (more efficient) and slightly better highs but you wouldn't believe its x6 price difference.
Great introduction - thank you. Just subscribed! I’m looking forward to the follow ups. Any further thoughts on amp pairing? You mentioned you use a Class D and I see Steve Guttenberg liked them with his 25W (Class A?) amp. I’m wondering if the Schiit Aegir (20W into 8 ohms and 40W into 4 ohms) might be enough for these?
See if you can find a Parasound 2350 on demo sale at Audio Advisor. Class D, B&O ICE module, 350wpc 8 ohm, 600wpc 4 ohm. Read the reviews. Maybe you can find one for about $900 like I did. I have two pairs of the Debut B6.2 and they are quite hungry. My Marantz 19 was weak but the 2350 makes them sing.
Why are there 3 revisions to the same product line within a relatively short time ?
Is there a matching center channel? Are they power hungry?
Yes there is. I may try one with Debut 5.2 L/R to see if there is an improvement in dialog clarity.
At the 3:40 mark, the mention of "not real wood" is actually good. One does not use real wood for a speaker cabinet because the variation in wood grain cause audio differences. That is why good speaks cabinets are always made of engineered wood products like mdf or particle board, and then painted or given a faux wood veneer. If an expensive speaker uses actual wood, it probably would look great but unfortunately would also have inconsistent audio performance.
Jon if you go back and watch again I think you'll see he's talking about the vinyl wrap not the cabinet.
wheres part 2?
Revel is a solid choice in reference speakers.
A sound demo clip will be nice...
In what color do they look better? White or black?
Where is part 2? You can't end this fantastic review with just a tease.
You have a reasonable plan. Please compare Definitive Technology SM55
Hey amazing video that buddy I’m actually in the market for a set of bookshelf speakers and I’ll come across this model of the E lag I think this is a go to speaker for that price point I was wondering what amplifier or receiver would you recommend for under $1000 that I have as my budget for a simple set up for the speakers which one would you recommend thank you very much for any advice that you can give me thank you keep up the great work
and, now much better, magical and wonderful will the audio get if you pay 3K for a speaker? will it make a cd sound better than a cd?
You might want to check out the Adam speakers featuring their Heil Air Motion tweeters
@Harry Fishnuts Odd then how more and more recording studios are using speakers that make your ears bleed... the technology has a number of significant advantages in that the mass is extremely low, allowing for transient response times down to 15 ms (human hearing threshold) which actually allows for prolonged periods of listening even at elevated levels without the fatigue associated with normal speakers. Since the A.R.T driver squeezes the air rather than pushing it, the system can move 4 times as much air volume as conventional speaker (tweeter). But you already knew all this... right? The Lord of the Rings trilogy was mastered on Adams.
@Harry Fishnuts I grew up with Ampex reel to reels... my dad was an engineer and executive at Ampex. I had a pair of the original ESS Heils (AMT1A's) but they suffered from poor Bass as you correctly pointed out. I don't believe the Adam speakers suffer such constraints. My Polk SRS1's have served me well but really the draw for them was theater experience. Digital doesn't provide a perfectly smooth waveform but at some point the ear can't hear the differences. My Laserdiscs have analog audio and the sound is pretty damn good. There have been some standards like SACD come along but never gained much audience. Perhaps with the move to 8k we can finally get something rivaling reel to reel. At least you have an informed opinion. Good chat.
A reference speaker is going to sound different in everyone's room(s). What is bright/forward/sibiliant in my room may be just right in your/his/her room. For example, this week I tried a Focal 706 in my listening room and I didn't care for it all. The highs were very forward, the midrange was distorted, and the bass was anemic. The Polk S15's, on the other hand, had very good bass, nice midrange, and the highs were bordering on being "shouty." The KEF Q150's are doing almost everything right in my room but they lack the best levels of separation between the instruments and the finest details coming out of recordings. The Polk legend L200 speakers got everything right and nothing wrong in their performance in my room, however, they are a little too expensive for me. So, I've ordered the ELAC Reference Debut in the same finish you have in this review. I look forward to seeing the measurements you get in your room and hearing your thoughts on these speakers.
thoughts on these elac debut reference?
@@MattZildjian So far, they aren't doing anything wrong. The midrange is a little less "lively" compared to that of my Polk Audio LSiM 703 bookshelf speakers and they don't dig quite as deep as the Polk's but, other than that, the soundstage is very wide. Instrument separation is good - they keep up with classical and progressive metal very well. They outclass the KEF Q150's easily, delivering a much fuller sound. No issues with the bass slot being in the front, they do well for only one 6 1/2" driver. The top end has a lot of detail and is never fatiguing. I like the DBR62's much better than the Uni-Fi UB5's or UF5's. I hope that helps
Why are these available from only a handful of retailers at $100 over msrp? Are they not officially released yet? Nothing on Elac website....
They are on the Elac website. I checked. TrueAudiofile has it at msrp, but they aren't available everywhere like at Amazon.
@@belmondo8741 Yep you're right. Looks like Elac announced them at midnight on facebook as well. Wonder if these will be sold at the big stores or kept at more exclusive dealers. Also curious how they stack up against the b6.2. I'm personally hoping for a bit more low bass with the new port design over the b6.2. Always wanted the best of both the original debut (warmth, bass) and the 2.0 (imaging, clarity).
I think MSRP is now $600
Your comment about horizontal dispersion didn’t account for the fact that wide horizontal dispersion cause interaural distortion. This happens because when content in stereo channels are correlated and each each receives sound from both channels that interfere with each other. A large array speaker has a narrow beam width and a sweet spot, and headphones, don’t have as much of this distortion. The is was addressed by Polk audio many years ago and updated with wider bandwidth design. The imaging of these new Polks are apparently incredible. They also come in a surround configuration and are expensive. I would recommend listening to the new Polks to understand another way to get to extreme performance. I know wonder if I bought 2 extra of these ELAC debut reference speakers, could I emulate the intra-aural interference cancellation.
Seems the speakers are not available in Germany. Obviously not under this name Elac Debut reference. Anybody knows more?
Elac USA take some time to make their way in Europe.
U have alot better option...watch Canton in Germany .
2 years later and still no part 2 ?
good review but hard to believe that the Ref is that much better than Debut 2.0 which uses basically the same drivers. The Ref looks better but it worth the difference ? Price increase is significant, Can we expect a Uni-Fi upgrade (and price increase) next ?
Where is part 2?
Changing modern amps has less influence than changing vintage amplifiers. They still sound different but I agree the range has narrowed as many use the same internal dac chipsets and architectures. With Vintage amplifiers changing between them makes a much greater difference. Tube amps make even a greater difference, but vintage solid state have a wide range of sound coloration and profiles. I have the Elac Ub5 and the Debut 6.2. I look forward to when I try the Debut Reference series soon. I have also used Polk RTI - A3 as my other main speakers in apartment and have Polk S20 coming soon. I think I may get the Elac reference towers if they match the other Elacs for center and other channels. I have mainly been using a Denon x3500h and a Yamaha RX-585 for modern receivers but a wide variety of vintage amps which are more preferential in altering the sound. My other trick is to use dacs like smsl m500 as reference and to feed the vintage amplifiers for digital sources. The other thing is that vintage receivers tend to have better phono stage built in although my denon x35000h isn’t bad just outclassed by the vintage gear.
Where is part.2?
I think Andrew's 3-way UniFi series are better (and cheaper) than the Refrence because he tried harder during his initial releases to impress at lower price-points. With the right power and placement they are simply magical. In the beginning Andrew wasn't trying to satisfy the requests of non-audiophiles with higher ohms, placement against walls, and tilted up high-end. He produced the UniFis to sound as close as possible to his love of high-end (and very expensive) speakers... He has since reduced bass, raised high-end and cut costs.... The diminishing returns thing started and ended with the UniFi series. Best value to date... Not sure about the new uniFis yet. I think he did the same thing to that newer series. Port in front, raised ohms, reduced bass and raised high-end. Oh yeah and cut costs with cheaper binding posts and moved back to peg mounted grills.
Randy, I agree with you 100% ! I think a lot of folks tried them with a A/V receiver and were disappointed. I use mine with a 1990's 150 watt class A/B amp. With a high quality tube preamp (Blue Circle) and a quality CD player and they are great !
You bought $4k speakers only based on a sentence from the manufacturer?
sometimes it's no sentences and the pictures suck me in!
what i don't agree with is that you say ss amps sound the same. for instance, i have one amp that is dynamically accurate, that is when the orchestra swells, the sound doesn't just get louder, it swells just like it does live.
i have been a proponent of the ELACs since the b5 which sounds way better than it should.
...hifitommy
If a amp is made correctly then it should be neutral same goes for dacs.
@@r423sdex ...you couldn't be more wrong.
If an amp rated for 4 ohm or better at 2 ohm stable, it is a good amp; if the amp manufacture do not rate the 4 ohm, like many AVRs, it is an underpowered amp even many AVR's claim 700 to 1,000 wattages.
This guy looks just like Vincent Teoh from HDTVTEST.
Vincent rules TH-cam...
After all this he never did another speaker review.
Ever ask yourself why the mass-produced Revel is expensive? It's a boutique brand and they arbitrarily charge a high price. They don't cost that much to make.
Beryllium has been this industry hype for a while now. It's light and doesn't resonate much. That doesn't make it the best. There are $30 tweeters that measure just as well.
Andrew Jones could have used a fancier box and an esoteric name and charged the same as Revel.
Take away the snob pricing, the hype and you will be able to say that the Elac DR is just as good for a fraction of the cost. It's just not audio jewelry.
Where is part 2? loll
All DAC’s basically sound the same - they run the same program to convert from digital to analog. The only possible difference would be possible distortion added in the analog signal but they don’t amplify the signal much.
All DACs don't sound the same. Even swapping opamps within the same DAC can alter the sound it produces. In fact every component in a system affects what we hear.
Buy a used pair and upgrade the network
Why do you wear gloves in your videos?
I figured that but didn't want to ask lol
What about the bow tie
or fake glasses?
Speakers huh
@@stopthefomo Yes man. Good you are making those videos as well. But ur TV vids are so addictive. Cant wait for more Mini led news from you
Debut Reference line are a great value proposition, but not true hi-fi. Elac's Adante line are their true hi-fi speakers. They start at double the price of the Debut Reference.
I commend you, if your intention is to present to your viewers very good speakers that sound great with music and can be incorporated into a full Surround speaker system.
Hi-fi speakers are not just about sound, aesthetics and build quality are also important factors. For audiophiles, displaying your audio system front and center is very important.
I agree with that, the Debut 2.0 6.2 are over rated.
So are the Kef ls50 and atc scm19 and pmc speakers, well overrated !!!!
What a nonsense are you talking about? You are confused in terms. Hi-fi is not equal to audiofile
Quite few reviewers mentioned it's flat but it's also nothing special, it could means nothing done to make the sound more engaging, or more forgiving...hmm...
Wait - reviewing a $600 speaker without giving the frequency range. It takes guts to buy a $600 speaker without listening to it.
I like the content but I dislike the background of your videos, it's too dim! It looks like you make videos sitting in a power cut.
Veer Arjun The last time I saw a guy wearing gloves like that he had an allergy to bright light/sunlight. Not sure if thats what is going on here but I am sure there is a reasonable explanation why his videos are dark.
I heard these and there's almost no bass. Useless hyped-up junk.
sorry no speaker measures perfect - just cause a speaker has a flat frequency response it doesnt always mean it sounds good
Where is part 2?