In this case with 2Gs/s okay to try to increase the BW, but in other cases if you don't have the sample rate to go with it you are left with the interpolation and those kind of "tricks" to reconstruct the wanted signal. Then it becomes more and more questionable what are we looking at. But interesting hack in anyway.
Rigol does also have some entry level Scopes that can be hacked from 70Mhz to 300Mhz. Also decoders, triggers, memory depth.... Because the hardware ist the same, it is only limited by software. Afteryou have hacked it you can update it and the Modification is still there. Also it is reversibel if you have to send it to Rigol for repair. Really cool!! Thank you for your video! First time I've heard the air tool sound, I was a bit confused 😂👍
I just tried out higher frequencies (on only 1 channel, the sample rate is shared between them), it starts to alias on a sine wave at nearly 500MHz, I did a dot display instead of vectors to see how often it samples the waveform and how much it is guessing/calculating the sine wave, I would say that it is usable up to about 450MHz max for sine wave (that is also where the built in hardware frequency counter starts to drop out), I think keeping it below 400 MHz would be better, if you are trying to measure non sine waveforms, then it would likely need to be even lower than that, probably 300MHz or so. It is still a nice improvement though, just watch out for the Nyquist aspects. as far as levels go, at 495MHz it was still of reasonable level, about 25% of the original.
About you not getting a scope because you has to few viewers, I think that that is a wrong way to measure it. A shitty channel with lots of click bait and nearly no content for real enthusiasts would maybe give lots of more view, but no potential buyers. Your channel is quality where potential buyers are members, maybe they should look at the quality of viewers instead of only numbers.
Fried Mule - Thanks, I agree with that. Even if a brand only sold 10 items from giving me 1 free one, that is effectively only a 10% discount on those units, and my videos are here for a long time so exposure of the brand goes on for longer than just the initial publication date, I think giving units to youtubers to use is actually money well invested, people buy what they see others using.
@@TheDefpom You are completely right and on top of that, I'd rather buy a scope that you have looked at and given your approval off, then a brand that mr. many viewers have "tested"!
So if I'm only working in the audio frequency range... this hack would be pointless to me if my understanding is correct? and that would also mean that I could even use a shitty portable 1MHz oscilloscope and never have a problem....
@@TheDefpom wow! Thank you so much.. .. Oscilloscopes have remained much of a mystery to me, especially when it comes to their specifications. I'm not sure if anyone else looked at it like I did but to me it looked like the frequency rating on a scope referred to its speed like a computers processor! Most oscilloscope reviews tend to focus on the higher the frequency, the better....But if all that you are working with is audio then even 30kHz is plenty, So long as you are only working on analog equipment.... I guess that you would need higher frequency resolution for D class amplification due to their nature of operation.... So now I'm guessing that the most important feature for me to look for would be the sampling rate then? I have watched a lot of videos on oscilloscopes and I personally haven't yet come across a good video explaining which horses are for which courses... I suppose that it's easier to make the video about the best of the best.... But then again, I have seen reviews on budget models but no one mentions that while the specifications are on the lower end of things... It's all that you are ever going to need if you are doing this or that... LoL here I was thinking that I'm going to purchase a budget oscilloscope that is able to have its bandwidth hacked and do it as soon as I get it home.... When I should be looking for something with more analog channels and a higher sampling rate so that I can get right in to the signal and not miss anything..... That's assuming that I have the right train of thought LOL.... Thanks once again... Great video, I really enjoyed watching :)
I was using a 50 Ohm BNC cable for this test, so it should be fairly close, but yes a good set of probes to cover the improved bandwidth would also be important (I purchased some 500MHz probes recently to use on it). I am pretty sure that the SDS 1204X-E is basically the same front end, refer to the EEVblog forum thread as that was where I found the information to do this modification, it discusses the other models.
@@TheDefpom Thank you for pointing out about the 50 ohm BNC cable! Performance improvement can be expected with a 500 MHz probe. Furthermore, the front end trimmer may have been adjusted by the manufacturer with a 50 ohm input. (As a possibility) Thank you also for pointing out about SDS 1204X-E. It was helpful. (Last week, I also found the EEVblog site at the same time as your site.)
@@xConundrumx You will spend more using your labor than just buying the bandwith you want from Siglent. You'll notice no one is reporting being successful with the software hack.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Just realized we were talking about the non plus version. I upgraded my SDS2104X+ to a full option 500 Mhz version no problems at all and somehow was under the impression the same hack also applies to the non-plus version (but not sure that is the case tbh.)
They did give me a scope… and videos are long because I’m trying to show how a new user would experience it for the first time, thanks for dropping by.
To did a followup video showing the maximum usable bandwidth the scope can now do, look at this: th-cam.com/video/9W1fjz0C0RQ/w-d-xo.html
Hilarious! The sound of an industrial impact wrench for the screwdriver made me LOL!
Nice mod. Good to see you extend the usefulness of the scope.
In this case with 2Gs/s okay to try to increase the BW, but in other cases if you don't have the sample rate to go with it you are left with the interpolation and those kind of "tricks" to reconstruct the wanted signal. Then it becomes more and more questionable what are we looking at. But interesting hack in anyway.
Rigol does also have some entry level Scopes that can be hacked from 70Mhz to 300Mhz. Also decoders, triggers, memory depth.... Because the hardware ist the same, it is only limited by software. Afteryou have hacked it you can update it and the Modification is still there. Also it is reversibel if you have to send it to Rigol for repair. Really cool!! Thank you for your video!
First time I've heard the air tool sound, I was a bit confused 😂👍
i am crying , that is beautiful ...
To use your magnetizer/demagnetizer, just do two or three strokes in the device. DON"T jiggle it.. 😃
Will subscribe just to try and make your channel bigger so you get that scope :) Also for the nice content ...
At 2Gsamples/S one should be able to sample... 1Ghz signal ? (but 2 points per period), should be soft limitation, did it go further that 345MHz ?
Víctor Pino - I only tried for the -3dB point, I should actually look to see what its highest usable frequency is.
I just tried out higher frequencies (on only 1 channel, the sample rate is shared between them), it starts to alias on a sine wave at nearly 500MHz, I did a dot display instead of vectors to see how often it samples the waveform and how much it is guessing/calculating the sine wave, I would say that it is usable up to about 450MHz max for sine wave (that is also where the built in hardware frequency counter starts to drop out), I think keeping it below 400 MHz would be better, if you are trying to measure non sine waveforms, then it would likely need to be even lower than that, probably 300MHz or so. It is still a nice improvement though, just watch out for the Nyquist aspects. as far as levels go, at 495MHz it was still of reasonable level, about 25% of the original.
Nice one! Happy days and thanks for the tutorial :-)
once you got it open I would always also replace for a silent fan, good PC fans with similar air for are about 2 times more silent
That was fun. And insane. Thank you.
Nice modification. How much does Siglent charge to leave out those two capacitors?
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Do you have any idea if something like this is possible on the SDS2074? I'm looking at getting one, but don't like that's the BW is 70MHz.
Search on the EEVblog forum. I am sure the info will be there if it is possible.
Hard to follow comments if you're not an englishman. Well, playback in halfspeed helped me alot. ;)
Yeah I speak a bit fast, and not with the best annunciation.
The sampling is 2ghz so you can go higher
About you not getting a scope because you has to few viewers, I think that that is a wrong way to measure it.
A shitty channel with lots of click bait and nearly no content for real enthusiasts would maybe give lots of more view, but no potential buyers.
Your channel is quality where potential buyers are members, maybe they should look at the quality of viewers instead of only numbers.
Fried Mule - Thanks, I agree with that.
Even if a brand only sold 10 items from giving me 1 free one, that is effectively only a 10% discount on those units, and my videos are here for a long time so exposure of the brand goes on for longer than just the initial publication date, I think giving units to youtubers to use is actually money well invested, people buy what they see others using.
@@TheDefpom You are completely right and on top of that, I'd rather buy a scope that you have looked at and given your approval off, then a brand that mr. many viewers have "tested"!
Nice 👍
Hello, very good vidéo. Is it possible to increase the bandwidth of the SDS2104x-plus?
I don’t know, take a look on the EEVBlog forum I know there are some discussions on their.
yes it is - using only software. No opening, soldering or hardware change.
@@Dan-oo1rj The cost of your labor will far exceed just buying from Siglent the bandwidth you want.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 seriously? I took me 30 minutes and saved 5000 USD. I'm not earning 80K USD a day...
So if I'm only working in the audio frequency range... this hack would be pointless to me if my understanding is correct? and that would also mean that I could even use a shitty portable 1MHz oscilloscope and never have a problem....
Peter Milanovski - yes, not much point if you are not doing higher frequency work with it, and yes a cheap scope would likely be fine!
@@TheDefpom wow! Thank you so much..
.. Oscilloscopes have remained much of a mystery to me, especially when it comes to their specifications. I'm not sure if anyone else looked at it like I did but to me it looked like the frequency rating on a scope referred to its speed like a computers processor! Most oscilloscope reviews tend to focus on the higher the frequency, the better....But if all that you are working with is audio then even 30kHz is plenty, So long as you are only working on analog equipment.... I guess that you would need higher frequency resolution for D class amplification due to their nature of operation.... So now I'm guessing that the most important feature for me to look for would be the sampling rate then? I have watched a lot of videos on oscilloscopes and I personally haven't yet come across a good video explaining which horses are for which courses... I suppose that it's easier to make the video about the best of the best.... But then again, I have seen reviews on budget models but no one mentions that while the specifications are on the lower end of things... It's all that you are ever going to need if you are doing this or that... LoL here I was thinking that I'm going to purchase a budget oscilloscope that is able to have its bandwidth hacked and do it as soon as I get it home.... When I should be looking for something with more analog channels and a higher sampling rate so that I can get right in to the signal and not miss anything..... That's assuming that I have the right train of thought LOL.... Thanks once again... Great video, I really enjoyed watching :)
It may be better if the probe is also tuned. (^ ^)
Can this great method apply to the SDS 1204X-E?
I was using a 50 Ohm BNC cable for this test, so it should be fairly close, but yes a good set of probes to cover the improved bandwidth would also be important (I purchased some 500MHz probes recently to use on it).
I am pretty sure that the SDS 1204X-E is basically the same front end, refer to the EEVblog forum thread as that was where I found the information to do this modification, it discusses the other models.
@@TheDefpom
Thank you for pointing out about the 50 ohm BNC cable!
Performance improvement can be expected with a 500 MHz probe.
Furthermore, the front end trimmer may have been adjusted by the manufacturer with a 50 ohm input. (As a possibility)
Thank you also for pointing out about SDS 1204X-E. It was helpful.
(Last week, I also found the EEVblog site at the same time as your site.)
a scope and a tweezer :)) anything else?
I would also add the other two channels :)
Yeah, just drill holes in the thing, use duct tape and super glue and aluminum foil on the front end circuitry.
Then just a "bit" of software hacking.
Does this hack work on the SDS2204X?
It is a different board, I am pretty sure that there is something out there about it, check on the EEVblog forum.
@@TheDefpom it is even much simpler.
No, only needs a bit of software faffing.
@@xConundrumx You will spend more using your labor than just buying the bandwith you want from Siglent. You'll notice no one is reporting being successful with the software hack.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Just realized we were talking about the non plus version. I upgraded my SDS2104X+ to a full option 500 Mhz version no problems at all and somehow was under the impression the same hack also applies to the non-plus version (but not sure that is the case tbh.)
how can i increase the amount of chanels on this??!! haha
'Im showing people how to hack a scope, someone please send me a free high end scope' What? 😄
No one is going to give you a scope. Why? This video should be 5 minutes long, tops. Learn how to get on with it mate!
They did give me a scope… and videos are long because I’m trying to show how a new user would experience it for the first time, thanks for dropping by.
Can someone donate a free high quality electronics lab for this starving young man