@@kenclark9888 It is not called a license, it is called a certificate. As a flight instructor I have trained hundreds of pilots that received a pilot certificate. People driving cars get a license, people flying airplanes receive a certificate.
I am neither a pilot nor controller, but this annoyed the hell out of me. What a foolish, reckless man to ignore instructions. He could get himself or others killed. Yank his license!
@@NoneYaBusiness998 Hopefully WWPlaysHoldem will see this, he owes you a big thank you for stepping in and explaining and clarifying what *HE* said. Have a good night.
@@NoneYaBusiness998I agree with your assessment. However, saying that the other guy wasn’t a great controller is ridiculous. You have no idea about his career.
Pilot debrief did a good job covering this. The guy was confused (or unprepared) and didn’t realize he was already well inside the controller’s airspace. Absolute dingus attitude.
@@GWNorth-db8vn There are some nitwits near my FBO that believes the class D belongs to them. unfortunately, no shortage of entitled people in the air these days
I think I understand the type. He is trying to use imprecise language and avoid reading back instructions with precise language. So when confronted it will be a subjective discussion what it means to "just clip you on your south side". Willfully misleading, but hard to hold accountable unless someone takes the bother to waste radio time on him.
The ATC used some colloquial language as well: "Fly a heading of about 070 to the shoreline". Personally (as a student pilot) I would have read back "Heading 070" instead of "that is what I am doing" or even "wilco"; I noticed that repeating the details makes me look at my gyro to make sure I am actually flying that heading. Same for altitude or traffic instructions. Once I got a clear but very unusual traffic direction for our airport from the ATC (one that isn't on the VFR charts). I said Wilco but it just didn't "click" in my mind and I was about to fly the usual approach until the CFI asked "Are you sure you know here to go". Repeating the ATC instruction in my head helped... but better to properly read back and get it right the first time.
I live in a town where people use the length of time they've lived here to assert dominance over other people even in casual conversations. It's childish at best. It's funny/sad to hear it from a pilot talking to ATC after the pilot screwed up.
Old vid, but still gotta be one of the most infuriating to listen to. I cannot imagine flying anywhere near that clown. The arrogance and entitlement is disgusting. I’d like to see him try that BS down here in SoCal. The controller was patient beyond patient.
@@Uisci81 Pilot is still flying in the area, you can find it on any of the flight apps, then go to live atc and pull up the archive. He seems to be more behaved in his communications.
As soon as you hear his voice on the initial contact, you already know his type. It's always the GA pilots who try to talk with an "airline pilot voice" on the radio, but never made it to the airlines.
That's not fair. I am an (and know a LOT of) GAs who respect the space. I think assholes like this are the very minority. They are usually the ones who have their own private strip in a corn field. TBF on that, I've flown out of a few of those strips and even they were sincere and respectful. This pilot was just an arrogant douchebag.
@@rnav36 where the heck do you even get that? When I was an instructor, I had students in their 50s and 60s who usually were extremely successful with their business and had no intention of going to the airlines, but they would try and sound professional on the radio. Nobody is trying to “imitate an airline voice”. Most just want to sound professional. Only a 14 year old would try and imitate.
I could tell from the first transmission of his that he was going to be "one of those" kinds of people. He had that fakey fake quality to his voice. Don't really know how to put it but I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows what I mean lol.
There is so much wrong with what this pilot did and I sure hope he faced some consequences. It just really isn't that difficult to follow ATC instructions.
He told the controller he would be southwest of the field not going in a southwest direction. I don’t know why that was a problem in first place. Possible controller deviation!!
Im not a pilot, but it seems to me that pilots who ignore ATC instructions should have their licences revoked or at least suspended. Is that likely to happen in a case like this?
OK… The pilot did not follow instructions, but sounds like he advised the controller exactly what he wanted to do (when he was out of the airspace?) and the controller directed him into his airspace ?
And he’s a Super Cub guy, so you know he’s cool. That’s why he doesn’t need to follow directions or use correct phraseology. Hello I’m impressed he’s even on the radio. Usually these guys don’t want to be on ADSB or have a radio or nothing. He should go fly a kite.
The controller told him to turn left right towards the airport, when he wanted to turn right away from it. So instinctively he was doing the right thing and only made one objection. So by the radar map, it looks like the pilot was right and the controller was messed up. Then on top of it, the controller gets an attitude. Ultimately, the pilot is responsible for his plane and you don't do anything you deem dangerous just because ATC tells you to. But he followed the ATC commands anyway, and even then, the controller takes it personally.
Don't think New Smyrna had a tower in the late 70's/early 80's when I was at ERAU. As a 30 year controller, and 45 year ATP it still amazes me how many idot pilots there are.
@@thud9797 because the po lot used vague inprecise language to try and bend the rules. Fortunately, the controler was there to save his dumb geezer ass
That pilot wants reporting to the FAA hed got isdues sounds to that there was a n asstic pilot, he wan ted retraining or lose his license, when uouve got yhose prople in life tbey sre a pain in postier but in the air there needs to be air raid sirens in sky warnind people to syay vlear of these idiots kast year i was verbslly and somrone attrmpted to assaukt me now ivd got one verbslly showing there narcasstic ways keep clear from them at all costs
Playing devil's advocate there, I don't know why he didn't just left him fly I-95 till south of the east-west extended centerline then have him make his turn to the east. They were working right traffic that day and there should have been no factor.
He told the tower he was going to follow the highway and possibly clip the SOUTHWEST corner of the control area. He was clear about what he wanted to do. The tower said he couldn't understand how he could get to the shore flying SW bound. The tower mis-heard the pilot. The pilot was clear, tower, not so much.
This. I'm not familiar with the area, but looking at a sectional, I see exactly what the pilot was planning to do. Visually follow I-95 southbound, which, as he said, just barely grazes the south-west edge of the EVB airspace. As an added bonus, visually following the highway helps keep you clear of A-294. Sounds like a smart plan for a VFR flight using pilotage in complicated airspace. All the pilot was required to do to enter the CDAS was establish two-way communication with the tower, which he did. The tower controller misunderstood this and inexplicably started giving instructions to a VFR pilot in Class E Airspace, who was probably confused as to why this controller was telling him to do these things. I agree that the pilot made things worse by acknowledging these instructions and then not following them, but it started with the controller's mistake. If this ever came down to a formal review, I don't think either the pilot or the controller would be happy with the outcome.
He undoubtedly had someone in the right seat he was trying to impress. Machismo on total display. And ATC could have been less argumentative once it was resolved. Argue on the phone.
Somebody in the right seat of a Super Cub? Was his passenger sitting on the wing strut? The guy established two-way communication because he was going to skirt the outer limits of class D airspace (also under the class C shelf), he got inexplicably vectored right into the training aircraft in the circuit in the opposite direction he wanted to go. Its not machismo to be annoyed when you're just a VFR pilot trying to see-and-avoid. The issuing a phone number was way overboard in this case.
@@CaptSugman Ok. Perhaps you're right in all points. What I am saying is he comes off as arrogant and a showboat. Regardless of who is right or wrong, How many times does a GA captain, get "issued" a phone number in his flying career? Ahd how often does an airline pilot of 14 year tenure throw out his tenure on the radio?
@@outabeat Well it devolved into a pissing match because that’s just how things go nowadays. It’s hard to say whether he willfully ignored the vectors or simply was so unaccustomed to being vectored that he made a mess of it. Errors compound and egos get involved, there was no imminent threat to anyone’s safety in this instance. It should just have been a minor miscommunication and not some cluster where people’s certificates get involved.
@@patlyle2621 Who made you an expert? My guess is you are a private pilot with very little flying experience. Obviously you are not a professional pilot like I have been for the past 54 years.
So many of these effing entitled private pilots have a Top Gun ego to go along with a Wrong Way Corrigan skill set… they have no business being at the controls in the sky.
Here we go again! No such call sign as SuperCub November! Read the AIM if you use SuperCub Drop the November. Measure of your lack of professionalism……..just sayin.
I hate when people say, “I’ve been living here for 25 years….”, That means they have been doing it all WRONG for the past 25 years!
I think it's highly relevant because if he keeps flying like that, his time living there will end at 25 years.
This guy needs to have his permit revoked. He's just doing whatever he wants. This will end up in a disaster sooner or later.
A-hole.
No disaster sooner or later because he’s been living there 25 years 😂😂. Oh man.. good job ATC
It’s called a license it’s not a permit
@@kenclark9888how do you call “mosquitos” where you are from?
@@kenclark9888 It is not called a license, it is called a certificate. As a flight instructor I have trained hundreds of pilots that received a pilot certificate. People driving cars get a license, people flying airplanes receive a certificate.
I am neither a pilot nor controller, but this annoyed the hell out of me. What a foolish, reckless man to ignore instructions. He could get himself or others killed. Yank his license!
Bad controller. I was one and a manager before I retired.
@@WWPlaysHoldem Bad controller? How so, specifically?
@@NoneYaBusiness998 Hopefully WWPlaysHoldem will see this, he owes you a big thank you for stepping in and explaining and clarifying what *HE* said. Have a good night.
@@NoneYaBusiness998I agree with your assessment. However, saying that the other guy wasn’t a great controller is ridiculous. You have no idea about his career.
I am an ATP, over 12K hours, and 30 year center controller and this pilot was horrible and I sure hope the FAA takes action.
Pilot debrief did a good job covering this. The guy was confused (or unprepared) and didn’t realize he was already well inside the controller’s airspace. Absolute dingus attitude.
Absolute dingus is the perfect description. I’ve piloted a BOAT and I would never behave like that towards traffic control!
In 27 years of flying NOT ONCE did i not comply with atc..NOT ONCE !
NOT ONCE!
You flew kites?
I am with you! Never in my 57 plus years as a pilot have I acted like this.
But were you flying the same route the whole time and expecting the world to adjust because you were there first?
@@GWNorth-db8vn There are some nitwits near my FBO that believes the class D belongs to them. unfortunately, no shortage of entitled people in the air these days
This type of person always knows better than everyone else.
Totally arrogant
No readbacks just does what he wants.
"I did NOT want to go north, I wanted to go south..." As the philosopher Jagger once said, "You can't always get what ya want."
I think I understand the type. He is trying to use imprecise language and avoid reading back instructions with precise language. So when confronted it will be a subjective discussion what it means to "just clip you on your south side". Willfully misleading, but hard to hold accountable unless someone takes the bother to waste radio time on him.
The ATC used some colloquial language as well: "Fly a heading of about 070 to the shoreline". Personally (as a student pilot) I would have read back "Heading 070" instead of "that is what I am doing" or even "wilco"; I noticed that repeating the details makes me look at my gyro to make sure I am actually flying that heading. Same for altitude or traffic instructions.
Once I got a clear but very unusual traffic direction for our airport from the ATC (one that isn't on the VFR charts). I said Wilco but it just didn't "click" in my mind and I was about to fly the usual approach until the CFI asked "Are you sure you know here to go". Repeating the ATC instruction in my head helped... but better to properly read back and get it right the first time.
So he is a professional idiot?
The ignorance is just mind blowing
I live in a town where people use the length of time they've lived here to assert dominance over other people even in casual conversations. It's childish at best. It's funny/sad to hear it from a pilot talking to ATC after the pilot screwed up.
Old vid, but still gotta be one of the most infuriating to listen to. I cannot imagine flying anywhere near that clown. The arrogance and entitlement is disgusting. I’d like to see him try that BS down here in SoCal. The controller was patient beyond patient.
There are almost always one or two guys like this at every airport.
04:51 "I'm just gonna barely clip you on the soutwest side..." - "Yeah, how about you don't do that? Fly around us like you're supposed to."
Textbook example of the Anti-Authority hazardous attitude. Hope he got a wake up call when he called the tower but I doubt it.
Ritchie Rich lives in spruce creek and does whatever Ritchie Rich wants to do.
This is an old one... but still a solid good one of what DO NOT DO as a pilot.
Any word on what happened as far as consequences
@@Uisci81 Pilot is still flying in the area, you can find it on any of the flight apps, then go to live atc and pull up the archive. He seems to be more behaved in his communications.
As soon as you hear his voice on the initial contact, you already know his type. It's always the GA pilots who try to talk with an "airline pilot voice" on the radio, but never made it to the airlines.
That's not fair. I am an (and know a LOT of) GAs who respect the space. I think assholes like this are the very minority. They are usually the ones who have their own private strip in a corn field. TBF on that, I've flown out of a few of those strips and even they were sincere and respectful. This pilot was just an arrogant douchebag.
This is Florida. That's an honest swamp accent. Pilots used to imitate Chuck Yeager, who was from West Virginia.
A lot of GA pilots never tried to make it to the airlines. A lot of them have their own career already in something else.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 those who don't have interest in the airlines wouldn't try to imitate an airline pilot voice.
@@rnav36 where the heck do you even get that? When I was an instructor, I had students in their 50s and 60s who usually were extremely successful with their business and had no intention of going to the airlines, but they would try and sound professional on the radio.
Nobody is trying to “imitate an airline voice”. Most just want to sound professional.
Only a 14 year old would try and imitate.
" HE'S JUST A GOOD OL BOY"
Never did no harm
@@camward9293 Beats all we ever saw, been in trouble with the law since the day he was born.
More money than brains.
Remind to never go flying with that guy.
This pilot is a Clear and Present Danger for air traffic!!! revoke his license!!!! enough said
At first I thought his compass was possibly broken until he said he was flying north by east after saying 360
I could tell from the first transmission of his that he was going to be "one of those" kinds of people. He had that fakey fake quality to his voice. Don't really know how to put it but I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows what I mean lol.
Very old video re-posted. Sounded like a good ol boy that doesn’t follow ATC instructions and doesn’t use proper radio phraseology.
"I hear you"
Agreed to everything then does just what he wanted to do anyway. Then denies it.
Anyone know if this guy got his license yanked?
This pilot is a piss poor pilot who gives the rest a bad name
I'll bet he drives that way also
How often can you acknowledge the orders, say that you see the traffic, and still not do it?
There is so much wrong with what this pilot did and I sure hope he faced some consequences. It just really isn't that difficult to follow ATC instructions.
He told the controller he would be southwest of the field not going in a southwest direction. I don’t know why that was a problem in first place. Possible controller deviation!!
Im not a pilot, but it seems to me that pilots who ignore ATC instructions should have their licences revoked or at least suspended. Is that likely to happen in a case like this?
What were the consequences here?
Was this Washington state?
OK… The pilot did not follow instructions, but sounds like he advised the controller exactly what he wanted to do (when he was out of the airspace?) and the controller directed him into his airspace ?
"What's your heading?"
"360 - north kind of north east"
That is not what 360 means...
I preferred to not use the radio in a cub as most Cubs did not come with radios. As long as you stay clear of controlled fields you are fine.
Pilot is a rock.
I still wonder how people like this obtain their licenses
I'd love to know what happened to this guy.
Old vid. And now my ask: what happened to that (reckless) guy?
So, did he actually call once he landed? My gut says he didn't...
It’s always the older folks who tend to think they can do whatever they want
360ish
a 709 ride is a check ride with the FAA where if you do not perform, you have your pilot's license revoked.
Pretty sure I saw this incident over 6 months ago...
709 ride. Immediately.
And he’s a Super Cub guy, so you know he’s cool. That’s why he doesn’t need to follow directions or use correct phraseology. Hello I’m impressed he’s even on the radio. Usually these guys don’t want to be on ADSB or have a radio or nothing. He should go fly a kite.
So did he get arrested at landing?
What an adz
The controller told him to turn left right towards the airport, when he wanted to turn right away from it. So instinctively he was doing the right thing and only made one objection.
So by the radar map, it looks like the pilot was right and the controller was messed up. Then on top of it, the controller gets an attitude. Ultimately, the pilot is responsible for his plane and you don't do anything you deem dangerous just because ATC tells you to. But he followed the ATC commands anyway, and even then, the controller takes it personally.
Don't think New Smyrna had a tower in the late 70's/early 80's when I was at ERAU. As a 30 year controller, and 45 year ATP it still amazes me how many idot pilots there are.
The initial intentions of the pilot were very clear and the controller did not understand.
Agree, the controller misunderstood the first request by the pilot and then it ended up in all this.
@@thud9797 because the po lot used vague inprecise language to try and bend the rules. Fortunately, the controler was there to save his dumb geezer ass
first time on Vatsim be like
Piper super cub. Prob doesn’t fly in controlled airport much possibly
Some people shouldn’t be pilots.
3 seconds upon hearing that pilot's voice, I immediately disliked him.
That pilot wants reporting to the FAA hed got isdues sounds to that there was a n asstic pilot, he wan ted retraining or lose his license, when uouve got yhose prople in life tbey sre a pain in postier but in the air there needs to be air raid sirens in sky warnind people to syay vlear of these idiots kast year i was verbslly and somrone attrmpted to assaukt me now ivd got one verbslly showing there narcasstic ways keep clear from them at all costs
Playing devil's advocate there, I don't know why he didn't just left him fly I-95 till south of the east-west extended centerline then have him make his turn to the east. They were working right traffic that day and there should have been no factor.
Oh ok cool, so ignore ATC fuck them right? I mean hey, why didn't they just let him ya know? ATC isn't really all that necessary right?
Is that pilot dense? Utter reprehensible behaviour. He can't just do what he wants to do.
Hasn’t this been making the rounds for years now?
So?
He told the tower he was going to follow the highway and possibly clip the SOUTHWEST corner of the control area. He was clear about what he wanted to do. The tower said he couldn't understand how he could get to the shore flying SW bound. The tower mis-heard the pilot. The pilot was clear, tower, not so much.
This. I'm not familiar with the area, but looking at a sectional, I see exactly what the pilot was planning to do. Visually follow I-95 southbound, which, as he said, just barely grazes the south-west edge of the EVB airspace. As an added bonus, visually following the highway helps keep you clear of A-294. Sounds like a smart plan for a VFR flight using pilotage in complicated airspace. All the pilot was required to do to enter the CDAS was establish two-way communication with the tower, which he did.
The tower controller misunderstood this and inexplicably started giving instructions to a VFR pilot in Class E Airspace, who was probably confused as to why this controller was telling him to do these things. I agree that the pilot made things worse by acknowledging these instructions and then not following them, but it started with the controller's mistake. If this ever came down to a formal review, I don't think either the pilot or the controller would be happy with the outcome.
@@roysmith5902 controllers are allowed to issue instructions to VFR aircraft in class e
Finally someone said this. The tower thought the pilot was going to fly southwest to get to the shore, and the confusion started.
FAA has entered the chat. What a FN clown
Is he drunk?😂😂😂
Yank is license
He undoubtedly had someone in the right seat he was trying to impress. Machismo on total display. And ATC could have been less argumentative once it was resolved. Argue on the phone.
Somebody in the right seat of a Super Cub? Was his passenger sitting on the wing strut?
The guy established two-way communication because he was going to skirt the outer limits of class D airspace (also under the class C shelf), he got inexplicably vectored right into the training aircraft in the circuit in the opposite direction he wanted to go. Its not machismo to be annoyed when you're just a VFR pilot trying to see-and-avoid. The issuing a phone number was way overboard in this case.
@@CaptSugman Ok. Perhaps you're right in all points. What I am saying is he comes off as arrogant and a showboat. Regardless of who is right or wrong, How many times does a GA captain, get "issued" a phone number in his flying career? Ahd how often does an airline pilot of 14 year tenure throw out his tenure on the radio?
@@outabeat Well it devolved into a pissing match because that’s just how things go nowadays. It’s hard to say whether he willfully ignored the vectors or simply was so unaccustomed to being vectored that he made a mess of it. Errors compound and egos get involved, there was no imminent threat to anyone’s safety in this instance. It should just have been a minor miscommunication and not some cluster where people’s certificates get involved.
Florida Trumpers have their own rules. They've tried to show everyone that time and time again.
Okay biden lover. Stop touching 8 year old girls.
Try again
You are obsessed with the guy huh?
Cowboy
old incident
boomers.
Piss poor controller in my humble opinion.
Why so?
Looks like we've found the pilot in question
Piss poor opinion.
😂😂😂 this thread should be good. Pray tell, why was the controller piss poor?
@@patlyle2621 Who made you an expert? My guess is you are a private pilot with very little flying experience. Obviously you are not a professional pilot like I have been for the past 54 years.
So many of these effing entitled private pilots have a Top Gun ego to go along with a Wrong Way Corrigan skill set… they have no business being at the controls in the sky.
Here we go again! No such call sign as SuperCub November! Read the AIM if you use SuperCub Drop the November. Measure of your lack of professionalism……..just sayin.