Thanks to everyone watching the video! I've been seeing this come up multiple times in the comments and I want to give a reminder that yes, a number of these aren't rip offs so maybe you should watch the video before writing a paragraph 😉😉😉
I understand that you're annoyed but you did choose a clickbait title that was less nuanced than your actual script on purpose and should own that decision. Engagement from people who haven't watched the video boosts it, that's why these clickbait titles are a trend its just an unfortunate side of the platform. Not sure I'd describe most of those comments as 'paragraphs either' but yes I suppose writing paragraphs about stuff you haven't watched is silly. :)
Ripoffs is in quotation, guys, so even with the clickbait title it's pretty clear that the creator of the video is already affirming that "ripoffs" isn't an accurate way to describe these other shows. Even without watching the video. So, no, I wouldn't say these reactions in the comments are completely justified. I get what you all mean but I think the creator has a point too.
I think the reason all the shows get accused of being rip offs are because they’re all clearly magical girl/anime inspired which is clearly what winx is also inspired by
I remember watching transformation compilations on early youtube and it was full of "Sailor Moon ripoff" comments, probably written by still very young users, under anything that was not Sailor Moon. i would argue that Ever After High is not really anime inspired and Regal Academy... is a weird thing that was changed from serious action show to comedy after years of developement hell.
@@Ann-vz8tz Sailor Moon is generally influential though. Calling something 'influenced' or 'derivative' is a value judgement and you're allowed to make value judgements in criticism. It did basically invent the idea that a super hero story could be ultra feminine without being a parody or considering that a joke and pushed the team concept in a way previous Shoujo super hero manga like Princess Knight (or even its direct predecessor Sailor V) hadn't. It wasn't doing anything Captain Marvel didn't do in the 1930s but it also repopularised younger teens as non-side kick superheroes in Japan and probably America as well since Power Pack was about the only time that had been tried again after all the other heroes got aged up. There's a lot of feedback across different country's animation and what you think of as 'anime' inspired or not is mostly just your opinion of anime and has little to do with anything else since most Japanese childrens shows never get subtitled or released abroad. Most people wouldn't call Superman's phone booth spinning costume switch a 'transformation sequence' in spite of the massive American influence on Japanese henshin heroes of which anime characters are just a small subset of and don't know about the Linda Carter Wonder Woman references in Sailor Moon. This is normal since no one has ever watched all media that exists and we all have to start somethere. To be honest a lot of people just use 'magical girl show' as a polite way of saying 'Sailor Moon Ripoff' with how so many female henshin heroes get mislabled as magical girls no matter how more they lean into Kamen Rider, Bubblegum Crisis or mecha musume pinup art for inspiration. You can't talk about Pretty Cure for example without noting that seasons 4 and 5 were a departure from the first three season's attempt to form a more unique franchise identity and a deliberate backwards move into a more Sailor Moon inspired direction. That the same move could be called a Super Sentai vs Kamen Rider move doesn't mean much so again; calling that inspiration or stealing is just a matter of politeness.
and that was the point she was making in her video, many saw them as rip offs because we automatically link similar things together, when really the only similarity is they all fall in a western version of the magical girl genre
@@Evibbles like how Pokémon and Digimon have similar names and both involve monsters but aren't actually rip offs of each other it's just the similar names being linked to them?
I think the WITCH and Winx thing is just a case of parallel thinking, so its unfair to call either of them ripoffs of each other, or that one is better than the other Great video 😭 Especially the segement at the end 🤗
It was just convenience, I'm sure; if I recall correctly, when Disney sued Iginio, he showed production for Winx Club began before W.I.T.C.H. came out (which means no one copied the other; just two similar-ish) ideas at the same time.
i dont understand the "transformations" part as copied from winx club. Like legit every magical girl series has transformations and if any of them might have stolen it from winx , then they have stolen it form sailor moon or whatever anime xD Some people just wanna shade. im glad how you pointed out its pretty ridiculous
Cardcaptor Sakura doesn't have transformations and Sailor Moon is mostly based on older American super heroes which also have them yet nobody accuses Max Steel of ripping off anime for some reason. Its not even a girl media thing since stuff gets accused of ripping off Pokemon far more than stuff gets accused of ripping off Sailor Moon.
because in the early 2000s when all these shows were airing none of us really knew about anime aside from a handful that made it worldwide, so we didn't know that magical girl was its own genre
@@Evibbles Mahou Shoujo is more of a genre in the sense that Westerns are a genre than how say Murder Mystery is a genre and while European shows like Winx Club and W.I.T.C.H. count there are plenty of Japanese shows like Mai Hime, Symphogear and Kill La Kill which get included incorrectly and ones like Little Witch Academia that get excluded incorrectly. Sailor Moon has transformations because its a Sentai show not because its a Magical Girl one. Its the makeup and dress up theme to the transformations that make them Magical Girl rather than regular Japanese Henshin Hero ones.
@@AC-dk4fp yes but my point is that you can't say one show is copying another show based purely on its most basic premise (in this case Magical Girl) because if that's the only similarities it shares then they are still completely separate shows. Regal Academy and Ever After High are often compared because both stripped to the bare bones are about a highschool of the descendants of fairytale characters, but you look any deeper and they aren't at all similar
@@Evibbles Two shows can be thematically similar on a deep level while having different character arcs and story structures. There's a difference between a complete copy and a modified copy. Taking simple facts about borrowed elements and sources as some kind of personal insult to the fandom can be as immature as insulting things on purpose. Intertextuality is key to how genres work you can't just use genre to excuse unoriginality. Copying should be a neutral issue.
I’m quite sure the reason EAH ended was because at the time Mattel had a deal with Disney to produce toys for them. But when Mattel came up with EAH, they felt like it’s a stab in the back because *only the big mouse company can make fairy tale media and merchandise!!!!* which is why they moved onto creating Descendants. Then internal drama in between, Mattel was pulled from producing toys and they went on to collaborate with Jakks Pacific. Disney and Mattel seem to have reconciled in recent years tho.
You do realize that EAH isn’t base on disney fairytale but brother Grimm who written original fairytales such as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty etc and other authors such as Hans Christian Andersen who wrote little mermaid until Disney used their stories and changed it to kid friendly version so Disney is sensitive over simple things heck Disney copied so many things such as a anime called Kimba the white lion that was released back in the 60s guess what Disney copied them and honestly they have no right to feel betrayed what Mattel did tbh
@@lofelife9143 yeah I’m aware of it. Unfortunately fairy tales are now mostly associated with DisKnee. True they copied those classic fairy tales and put their own kid friendly twist to it, but to the big mouse company, it’s more of “mine is better lol” instead of who did it first.
@@christopher9306 Thats true and they’re stupid thinking like that and Mattel should continue making EAH series cause its way better then what DisKnee does 😂
@@lofelife9143unfortunately it’s about marketing and optics. It seems like Mattel felt that they couldn’t complete with Disney and would lose money so they pulled the dolls before that could happen
Am I the only one who grew up with both W.I.T.C.H. and Winx Club and never considered them a rip-off of one another? The only similarity they had was about the group being magical girls and I was around 7 years old when I tought so.
Same I just recently bought the DVD’s for W.I.T.C.H. Season 1 I did have volume 1 but wanted all of them managed to find them and Winx club season 1 and 2 on dvd I grew up and loved these DVD’s my originals got stolen so had to find them again I mean I’m 25 and I still watch them they are like a life line to me.
And that’s the thing: I don’t wanna pick! Each doll line/girl targeted show taught me a lesson or entertained me one way or another, why should I have to pick?
I agree with your point about people loving certain girl media and bashing the other, me and my sis always talk about it too For me I’m obsessed with barbie while she is obsessed with bratz we still dont understand why barbie and bratz fans still fighting like you can enjoy the other media and still loving your fav franchise Also other people still calling girl media(especially if its magical show) a rip off sailormoon or winx or precure These accusations are getting old and annoying
I rarely see people say "x is a precure rip-off", more so "glitter force" actually being said as "oh precure ripped off glitter force" I think balala is the only show that gets compared like that
@@Y0sh1novaNothing gets called a PreCure rip off because latter seasons are mostly just remixes of older ones and the PreCure grognards are all complaining about season X being not enough like Heartcatch and that's why Aikatsu is more popular or whatever its been in the last ten years I don't keep up. Guess there's an upside to people thinking there haven't been children's cartoons since Madoka Magica episode 3 or whatever nonsense anime news sites and lazy youtubers say.
I am so glad that I never forced myself into a box by choosing which show or brand I liked better. I like frilly girl things like Winx and Barbie portray, but I also like W.I.T.C.H and Bratz grittier and y2k style. But I am all about being dynamic and switching up my style constantly.😂😂
Witch (the comic) was being developed circa late 1995, so it feels weird to laud it as a ripoff. A lot of people left disney italia to work at Rainbow so there definitely was a ping ponging effect of ideas happening during both shows development. (This is to say, if anyone's a ripoff it would be Winx, and there's lots of proof of this) also the lawsuit was based on the logos being similar
And the original authors posted some very old concept arts for WITCH on their instagram pages... Winx is definitely younger than WITCH, even if it displease the fans.
@Arealgenwunner I liked WITCH precisely because it looked nothing like Winx, it appeared to a different audience that I happened to be a part of. Though I will admit, the Trix and Dark Bloom from the few episodes my kindergarten friend made me watch back then were fire.
@andyscdcollection415 Sounds like that you're trying to make witch look like that its completely original, ignoring the fact that witch was inspired by sailor moon just like winx.
Winx cartoon has entered development before witch cartoon. the lawsuit wasn't just for the logo but it was for the whole show looking similar to witch, which Disney lost because Rainbow provided receipts of the show being made before Disney made the cartoon adaptation of witch.
I remember the time of W.I.T.C.H. and Winx rivarly. I don't know how much rivarly had been doing now but I remember several blogs or fanfics where these two teams were fighting against each other. Specifically one blog where it was told not only by text but also gifs which enhanced the experience. I grew up with both. W.I.T.C.H. was earlier in my childhood and even had these comic magazines. While winx I stumbled upon once in vacation and years later before teenhood went into winx as animated W.I.T.C.H. ended with second season and no idea what happened. But later learned it got at least completed in the comics. I had dvds of angels friends after I stopped watching winx and then get into Lolirock. Learning about the overall MAgical girl genre. Got into precure and pretty much... I'm chill with all the shows you presented here. Maybe except ladybug but that's different hellhole.
Like you said, we can easily argue that winx club is a ripoff of magical girl animes if we’re going down the originality route. Originality is a weak argument anyway, its too late in human history to look for anything original anymore. To any creatives out there, don’t be discouraged by conversations like this
I remember catching glimpses of WITCH covers in passing in the 2000s, and at the time I genuinely thought that it could be at least tangentially related to Winx Club. I literally knew nothing else about it other that it looked like Winx Club. And yes, I'm sick and tired of everyone claiming that LoliRock is a shameless Winx Club ripoff. And I grew up with both LoliRock and Winx Club so I know what I'm talking about.
I have grown up with original intro, not 4Kids ver., so the OG remains the best for me. The melody is inspirational, cheerful and also a bit melancholic.
Didn't W.I.T.C.H. exist in America in book form first . and at least one of these was also made by Igenio Straffi. That's like saying because Creamy Mami exists then Sailor Moon, the more known Magical girl anime and every other magical girl anime, shouldn't.
When you mention how companies try to pit girls and women against each other with their products my mind was like “Jokes on them, I never fell for it. I just buy whatever I want and it’s everything or close to it at least.”. Like I’m proud to say that I am a Winx and W.I.T.C.H. fan.
I didn't know the beef between Winx and W.I.T.C.H. was that bad, i loved both shows a lot tbh because i was obsessed with fairies and magical girls. And while i was very young when Winx started, WITCH was during the beggining of my teenage years so it was a refreshing slightly more mature show that still appealed to my child brain. But i did know that there was this weird stugma that Winx was fir preppy girly girls and WITCH was for tomboy edgy girls. It was a little weird. But i didnt know disney trued to kill winx for like no reason, but I shouldn't be surprised...
Actually W.I.T.C.H. Is not a copycat of the Winx because they came out at the same time 2004. However W.I.T.C.H. Was supposed to air in 2003 but there was too many PG13 scenes that it took a full year to re-edit the show
For real the only thing that screamed "magical girl" to me in the show was the group's transformation, and even then it was hardly girly despite them resembling faeries in their "witch" forms.
Angel friends is so understated despite the horrible dub the plot and character designs are pretty good! (Sulfus was one of my childhood crushes LMAO And I'm pretty sure this show was why I'm obsessed with the enemies to lovers trope till this day )
@@josheydubsIt depends though, biblically accurate angels all look different because of their categories. The ones we’re used to seeing in media are accurate, but are of a lower rank, it’s once you get to the higher ranks that you start seeing the freaky stuff. Although, imagine how cool it could be if they could slide back and forth between the conventional and non-conventional look if they ever want to intimidate someone.
I always preferred WC to W.I.T.C.H., and I wonder what would've happened if Disney never sued Iginio and worked with him the later seasons instead of Nick (or at least the upcoming reboot).
I don't agree with her but calling winx club a ripoff of sailor moon is just ridiculous when the creator has stated many times that the show was just inspired by it.
@Arealgenwunner Sailor Moon is basically nothing like Cutie Honey which only got retooled to be more magical girl like in a post Sailor Moon reboot. Cutie Honey was already a ripoff of a male superhero called Rainbowman. The original Sailor V manga was a mix of Sukeban Denka, Minky Momo and Wonder Woman (the live action tv version) its just American anime nerds who deny American influence on manga that play up Naoko having also acknowledged Cutie Honey. Toei animation then mixed Sailor V with Super Sentai and worked with Naoko to make Sailor Moon.
The fandom war never ends🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 The drama between Winx Club and W. I T.C.H First of all the protagonists are redheads, both came out in 2004, both magical girl shows✨🌟 (Sam is a redhead from Totally Spies and Kim from Kim Possible is a redhead to). As a Winx fangirl I have a feeling that Netflix messed with the wrong magical girl for a live action Adaptation...... FATE: THE WINX SAGA!!!! MORE LIKE WINGLESS FAIRY, DARK ACADEMIA SAGA 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😠😡😡😡😡😡
Not everything needs to be a not to be a gritty reboot the SpongeBob SquarePants and wix Unite doing the Cyclops in Street Fighter Ryu handshake doing the X-Men versus Street Fighter handshake
Not everything needs to be a not to be a gritty reboot the SpongeBob SquarePants and wix Unite doing the Cyclops in Street Fighter Ryu handshake doing the X-Men versus Street Fighter handshake
I loved everything you said! Those fanwars made me believe I had to pick one side, but after watching both WITCH and Winx, I see it completely the other way around! It is so beautiful that we have more than one show made for us with our silly little interest for fairies, girl friends groups, colorful, pretty characters, and worlds
On the topic of Winx X W.I.T.C.H., I think both shows are equally good. I was a huge W.I.T.C.H. fan on my ealry childhood (I was 5 when the show came out) and later on, Winx was booming here in Portugal, and I fell in love with it as well. Both show kinda overlaps on their premises, but they're visually so different. Winx is so bright and colorful, which was very appealing for me growing up, while W.I.T.C.H. is more gloomy and "edgy" (hate that word lol), which is something that I prefer more nowadays being almost 25 years old. Both are great shows with awesome world-building and character development
some of these comments aint it;;; If I see one more person claim that Sailor Mon started the magical girl genre I'm getting heartburn I get where the sentiment is coming from but its still wildly inaccurate, it's like saying Persona 3 started the Persona series. Not to mention the fact that Sailor Moon has quite a lot more in common with super sentai shows like Power Rangers or Kamen Rider. Sometimes shows/franchises will have tropes in common and that's fine. Tropes are tools for stories after all.
@@Timepilot94 not to mention magical girls started out as witches, some shows being inspired by Bewitched, like Sally the Witch that you mentioned. I'm just so annoyed at some comments cause like...imagine someone saying Naruto started shounen or something.
I used to love both witch and Winx club. All of my cousins who were girls loved both witch and Winx club too. It was very surprising to me that there was fighting between the fandoms.
Before anyone gets angry in the comments, just knows she's not calling these shows ripoffs, just judging whether they are or not. And she decides that they are not ripoffs
@Timepilot94 Though, it's a shame that neither the show nor the comics actually got finished. They both finished on a cliffhanger, and I never understood why.
witch was before winx club I remeber being like 6-10 buying comics. And yea they had carttoon long after comics but still... you rather agure that was otherwise if comes to witch and winx club (btw. I like both i just seying witch wast starting off magicial girl thingy in europe)
In my region Witch is far more popular than Winx club having darker mature theme that attracted boys compared to more girly Barbie theme with underrated great plot.
I watched Lolirock monster high ever after high regal academy and winx club and probably lots of other ones and I loved them all but not the newer ones not sure about the newer Lolirock and other things like that tho because I did not know they were making new episodes
Why is Witch in the miniature??? That's kinda offensive, it was my fav show back then and it's its own thing. I think it was a case of converging evolution in media. Similar to Pokémon and Digimon (animes), they came in the same time but each one had different intentions and concepts behind and people just linked them together. Pokémon focuses in combat and episodic series, Digimon has a sci-fi ambient, the creatures talk and aren't captured (they were trying to do a tamagotchi for "boys") and the show is more linear. The only thing they have in common is weird animals that evolve (even each evolution system is different in both) and fight. Witch and Winx are magical girls
Tbh even as a guy I liked both WITCH and Winx Club for different reasons. I knew WITCH first from the comics, and the art style was inspiring to me as an artist. Same with Winx, which embodied that magical school energy I loved since I read the Harry Potter novels. I don't know, perhaps with guys we don't see a reason for similar shows to compete, but instead we see there's something else that takes a similar idea in a different direction and go; "Great, more stuff to fanboy over!" Can't speak for Angel Friends though, not really a fan of the art style. Lolirock was nice though.
W.i.t.c.h started before winx club (the first magazine was released 2001), so that definitely has no reason to be accused of being a ripoff of winx club
I grew up with both winx and w.i.t.c.h. I loved both but I lean more towards witch just because I liked the darker tones of it maybe but to this day still love both
Also most of all the Angel's friends English voice actors have the 4 kids winx club voice actors. This isnt just raf and mikki. Gas, sulfus, actually everyone has a 4 kids voice actor from winx club.
lil'correction, the italian comic scene is pretty wide, the specific "for teenage girl" part of it is relatively small (and magical/tokusatsu inspired used to be even rarer, due to italy consistent habit of importing the mangas straight) so a runaway IP and a disney-backed one in the setting were fine dining for the fan of the genre, and the shows only added to that
the whole reasoning why they might be rip offs/ knock offs is because all are western made anime inspired media they might be visually similar, if they are from the same sort of a time. you see that across all genres/ cartoons/ media. plus ever after high is more what if monster high but fairy tale characters, not edgy monsters (and I believe are by the same toy company anyway) then also I thought w.i.t.c.h. was comics first and the show later ? I mean my older sister had a WHOLE COLLECTION of the magazines with mainly only the comics in them, still should have the absolute unit of a binder with the like first release of those somewhere. They only started re-releasing in my area around the same time winx started airing (and I think I actually got to know about winx from a cd packed as a gift in one of these other already established media magazines) at which point my sister already had her magazine collection and then angel friends, a show I was also familiar with around the time of release, clearly pulling from the same sort of a magical girls media genre blueprint, because it is quite enjoyable format. saying it's a rip off is like calling all romance genre books rip off from one another, or all horror media. they follow certain things which are characteristic for the genre they are made as. A western magical girl media will have: magical girl group, a leader the consumer of media can project onto, relatable enough rest of the group likely based on tropes to offer diversity for relating, a love interest from possibly rival group as it is a girl targeted media and rivalry creates conflict which is important for story/relationship progression, and, some overarching evil force for the heroes to fight that's just all stories ever babe, like what ? genuine confusion ??
i agree that they aren't rip offs but winx's impact is too often downplayed. it influenced a lot of stuff that came after it especially in barbie and mlp
@@bb-nq9hoand ever after high because both are the same but also different they also have one character in both shows and u can see the other show in the other one u can see monster high in ever after high and the other way around
Very interesting, I didn’t realize how many clone shows were made of this. I remember seeing Winx and a few of these clone shows on cable a few times as a child though.
RE the Winx/WITCH lawsuit: It reminded me of two cases from comics (the Doom Patrol & the X-Men in the 60s stories, and later Neil Gaiman's Tim Hunter character compared to Harry Potter), where it was ultimately just a case of like inspirations. As someone who liked both, they were so radically different in their execution of their shared genre that I kinda dreaded Disney winning & trying to stake a claim on general magical girl tropes. Anyway, if you want to see a series biting both pretty hard, there's the Italian-only comic Isa & Bea: Witches, which feels like a weird hybrid of the two.
about angel’s friends- i think it gets way less attention than it deserves! yes it has a lot of flaws but the end of season plot twist, limbo trapped lady shipping the mcs (for evil reasons ofc), and simple episodes about the angel vs devil shenanigans were actually pretty riveting! i’ve seen barely any discussion of it sadly :( the whole series is even free on youtube!
idk how it happened but everytime I see angel’s friends somewhere in the back of my mind pops out a memory that I’ve watched every episode of it yet I dont remember watching it…anyways…youre so right, Im almost 17 and Ive always liked watching magical girls shows since I was literally born and if I saw ANY show when I was a kid with magical girls, I would base my personality of it for like 2 weeks until I found another show…liking only one would be so boring so why like only one when you can like every :P ? but ngl winx will be forever my #1 (maybe also cuz it was my first magical girls show and its just so comforting to me)
i was never aware of the lawsuit between winx club and w.i.t.c.h, as i child i loved to watch both of them and never heard about the rivalry so that is news to me
About Descendants vs EAH: Just like the lawsuit with W.i.t.c.h vs Winx Disney didn´t like EAH. If I remember right this is why Mattel lost the Disney licence and Hasbro got it instead. Because they couldn´t have EAH while they planned on making descendants. Because these two lines couldn´t have co-existed. Because Disney needs to own a monopoly. Hypocritical since Disney is famous for adapting stories from the public domain. Disney ending their license with Mattel is part of why EAH was canceled and why MH had the reboot. Since Mattel lost money without the Disney princess line. Edit: don't take this fully as gospel. Just as any comment you see online, you should take it with a grain of salt. I might have misremembered some facts.
Yup none of them are the same well not really both are all or almost all girls and have magic and things like that but other then that nothing is the same exact thing enough to make it a rip off
@@Natalielovescats yeah but with ever after high it’s just a story about different fairy tales kids and their destiny and how the evil queen child want to changes hers for the better. Lolirock is about a three young girl who have to find gems (forgot what they was called) while fighting off the two twins who make different monsters every time and they need those gem stones to repair the crown and defeat what his name so they can save their homeland and parents So I don’t understand how people can compare them and be like “yep that’s a rip off” like winx club is just about them living in fairy school while fighting off the revival school now world off winx is them pretending to be humans while being on a tv show so they can find these different people who are in danger to save them before it’s too late
@@Moonlight_Garden199 I never said they were the same I said the only thing that’s the same is there is girls in both or all and they have magic and are almost always fighting for something
Actually - '' Angel's Friends'' is rather rip-off of anime '' Wedding Peach'' (both these series are about angels and devil's). '' Regal Academy '' seems to be '' Ever After High'' rip-off (children of the fairy tale characters etc.). And ''Lolirock''... well, look at the girls' transformation, their clothes, their hair changing colors - totally reminds me of Precure franchise! Plus, at some point it turns out Iris is a long-lost princess from another world. '' Sailor Moon'' vibes!!!! Just like it was with Bloom from '' Winx Club'', by the way...
Regal academy was never rip off ever after high did you even watch the show regal academy was created before ever after high as dark comedy called twisted fairy tale in 2009 so there is no way you to call regal academy a rib off ever after high
Fun fact about Lolirock (WITH MASSIVE SPOILERS), FINAL SPOILER WARNING At the end of the final season before the show was cancelled, the main villain was defeated. However, one of the "evil" (theyre just kinda goofy tbh) twins, the brother, is CANONICALLY KILLED OFF IN FRONT OF HIS SISTER (we don't see the body so he's probably alive maybe) accidentally by the heroines, which motivates the sister to use the power that the former main baddy used. It ends with a reflection/musing from the protag after the sister threatened everyone and swore revenge
ngl, put this video on to have smth in the background while doing my make up. Did not expect it to be the video i didnt know i needed. Great video, much love
Its always a "lost" human girl who later discovers she has magic roots and she might actually not be human or she is half human😅... don't forget the adoptive parents. I loved all the shows.
OMG i loved angel friends it was so good I don’t quite remember since I watched it and winx in my childhood but I think I watched it before winx and definitely liked it more
Fan 1: I can’t believe this, they stole this idea from Winx Club. Fan 2: Yeah well Winx Club stole it from Sailor Moon. Fan 3: Everything is stolen these days. Even this joke is a ripoff from The Simpsons.
I actually grew up watching winx club and w.i.t.c.h and I honestly never really thought about it being a ripoff/knockoff of each other. I enjoyed watching both shows and still to this day, as an adult, I still enjoy and try to watch the shows.
Thanks to everyone watching the video! I've been seeing this come up multiple times in the comments and I want to give a reminder that yes, a number of these aren't rip offs so maybe you should watch the video before writing a paragraph 😉😉😉
I understand that you're annoyed but you did choose a clickbait title that was less nuanced than your actual script on purpose and should own that decision.
Engagement from people who haven't watched the video boosts it, that's why these clickbait titles are a trend its just an unfortunate side of the platform.
Not sure I'd describe most of those comments as 'paragraphs either' but yes I suppose writing paragraphs about stuff you haven't watched is silly. :)
W.i.t.c.h comic release started 2001 and Winx club started 2004. So who is the ripoff here?
You still chose a clickbait title, with the characters placed in specific positions
Ripoffs is in quotation, guys, so even with the clickbait title it's pretty clear that the creator of the video is already affirming that "ripoffs" isn't an accurate way to describe these other shows. Even without watching the video. So, no, I wouldn't say these reactions in the comments are completely justified. I get what you all mean but I think the creator has a point too.
@@shaniceisfalling Headline effect is real though.
I think the reason all the shows get accused of being rip offs are because they’re all clearly magical girl/anime inspired which is clearly what winx is also inspired by
Also sorry if this is worded weird auto correct always does me wrong
I remember watching transformation compilations on early youtube and it was full of "Sailor Moon ripoff" comments, probably written by still very young users, under anything that was not Sailor Moon.
i would argue that Ever After High is not really anime inspired and Regal Academy... is a weird thing that was changed from serious action show to comedy after years of developement hell.
@@Ann-vz8tz it sad seeing amazing shows be called rip off just because they have similar tropes
@@Ann-vz8tz Sailor Moon is generally influential though. Calling something 'influenced' or 'derivative' is a value judgement and you're allowed to make value judgements in criticism. It did basically invent the idea that a super hero story could be ultra feminine without being a parody or considering that a joke and pushed the team concept in a way previous Shoujo super hero manga like Princess Knight (or even its direct predecessor Sailor V) hadn't. It wasn't doing anything Captain Marvel didn't do in the 1930s but it also repopularised younger teens as non-side kick superheroes in Japan and probably America as well since Power Pack was about the only time that had been tried again after all the other heroes got aged up.
There's a lot of feedback across different country's animation and what you think of as 'anime' inspired or not is mostly just your opinion of anime and has little to do with anything else since most Japanese childrens shows never get subtitled or released abroad. Most people wouldn't call Superman's phone booth spinning costume switch a 'transformation sequence' in spite of the massive American influence on Japanese henshin heroes of which anime characters are just a small subset of and don't know about the Linda Carter Wonder Woman references in Sailor Moon. This is normal since no one has ever watched all media that exists and we all have to start somethere.
To be honest a lot of people just use 'magical girl show' as a polite way of saying 'Sailor Moon Ripoff' with how so many female henshin heroes get mislabled as magical girls no matter how more they lean into Kamen Rider, Bubblegum Crisis or mecha musume pinup art for inspiration.
You can't talk about Pretty Cure for example without noting that seasons 4 and 5 were a departure from the first three season's attempt to form a more unique franchise identity and a deliberate backwards move into a more Sailor Moon inspired direction. That the same move could be called a Super Sentai vs Kamen Rider move doesn't mean much so again; calling that inspiration or stealing is just a matter of politeness.
@@AC-dk4fpcalling something plagiarism and correctly stating that inspiration is taken are very much not the same thing
Tbh never thought of any of these as "rip-off", for me they were just cartoon with similar theme
Agreed
Same here
and that was the point she was making in her video, many saw them as rip offs because we automatically link similar things together, when really the only similarity is they all fall in a western version of the magical girl genre
@@Evibbles I noticed that too and recognized those points too.
@@Evibbles like how Pokémon and Digimon have similar names and both involve monsters but aren't actually rip offs of each other it's just the similar names being linked to them?
Lolirock is nowhere near a ripoff a WINX, but is most definitely a “Sailor-Moon-at-home” western anime cartoon.
Yeah
Lolirock I believe was made in France or is French? Don't remember, my memory be a little funky rn.
@@PasteilloTheCat it's french canadian it was made by the same company that made totally spies
@@aradcohen4309 ah I was partial right then! Thank you for the correction. :]
@@PasteilloTheCat no problem
Why are we pitting powerful women against each other
cause its fun
staaap😂😂😂😂
Eattt
Women? They're barely through middle school
Middle schoolers don't look like that!@@serenitysubs933
lolirock,W.I.T.CH and winx club are not rip offs
Yea w.i.t.c.h came way before Winx club came
@@Andrewkenyagah26234it didn't winx was a thing since 1999 and witch was a thing since 2001
Not true winx club came before w.i.t.c.h
If we’re talking about the comics, W.I.T.C.H. came before winx club. If we’re talking about the cartoon, Winx Club came out a year before W.I.T.C.H..
@@sakunaruful 2 years actually
I think the WITCH and Winx thing is just a case of parallel thinking, so its unfair to call either of them ripoffs of each other, or that one is better than the other
Great video 😭 Especially the segement at the end 🤗
It was just convenience, I'm sure; if I recall correctly, when Disney sued Iginio, he showed production for Winx Club began before W.I.T.C.H. came out (which means no one copied the other; just two similar-ish) ideas at the same time.
Makes sense now
Finally,people accept the fact neither are knock-offs!(I haven't seen this kind of people since I entered the W.i.t.c.h fandom!)
True! That's why none of them are rip-offs
I like them both and no one can change my opinion
i dont understand the "transformations" part as copied from winx club. Like legit every magical girl series has transformations and if any of them might have stolen it from winx , then they have stolen it form sailor moon or whatever anime xD Some people just wanna shade. im glad how you pointed out its pretty ridiculous
Cardcaptor Sakura doesn't have transformations and Sailor Moon is mostly based on older American super heroes which also have them yet nobody accuses Max Steel of ripping off anime for some reason. Its not even a girl media thing since stuff gets accused of ripping off Pokemon far more than stuff gets accused of ripping off Sailor Moon.
because in the early 2000s when all these shows were airing none of us really knew about anime aside from a handful that made it worldwide, so we didn't know that magical girl was its own genre
@@Evibbles Mahou Shoujo is more of a genre in the sense that Westerns are a genre than how say Murder Mystery is a genre and while European shows like Winx Club and W.I.T.C.H. count there are plenty of Japanese shows like Mai Hime, Symphogear and Kill La Kill which get included incorrectly and ones like Little Witch Academia that get excluded incorrectly.
Sailor Moon has transformations because its a Sentai show not because its a Magical Girl one. Its the makeup and dress up theme to the transformations that make them Magical Girl rather than regular Japanese Henshin Hero ones.
@@AC-dk4fp yes but my point is that you can't say one show is copying another show based purely on its most basic premise (in this case Magical Girl) because if that's the only similarities it shares then they are still completely separate shows.
Regal Academy and Ever After High are often compared because both stripped to the bare bones are about a highschool of the descendants of fairytale characters, but you look any deeper and they aren't at all similar
@@Evibbles Two shows can be thematically similar on a deep level while having different character arcs and story structures.
There's a difference between a complete copy and a modified copy. Taking simple facts about borrowed elements and sources as some kind of personal insult to the fandom can be as immature as insulting things on purpose.
Intertextuality is key to how genres work you can't just use genre to excuse unoriginality.
Copying should be a neutral issue.
I’m quite sure the reason EAH ended was because at the time Mattel had a deal with Disney to produce toys for them. But when Mattel came up with EAH, they felt like it’s a stab in the back because *only the big mouse company can make fairy tale media and merchandise!!!!* which is why they moved onto creating Descendants. Then internal drama in between, Mattel was pulled from producing toys and they went on to collaborate with Jakks Pacific. Disney and Mattel seem to have reconciled in recent years tho.
You do realize that EAH isn’t base on disney fairytale but brother Grimm who written original fairytales such as Snow White, Sleeping Beauty etc and other authors such as Hans Christian Andersen who wrote little mermaid until Disney used their stories and changed it to kid friendly version so Disney is sensitive over simple things heck Disney copied so many things such as a anime called Kimba the white lion that was released back in the 60s guess what Disney copied them and honestly they have no right to feel betrayed what Mattel did tbh
@@lofelife9143 yeah I’m aware of it. Unfortunately fairy tales are now mostly associated with DisKnee. True they copied those classic fairy tales and put their own kid friendly twist to it, but to the big mouse company, it’s more of “mine is better lol” instead of who did it first.
@@christopher9306 Thats true and they’re stupid thinking like that and Mattel should continue making EAH series cause its way better then what DisKnee does 😂
@@lofelife9143unfortunately it’s about marketing and optics. It seems like Mattel felt that they couldn’t complete with Disney and would lose money so they pulled the dolls before that could happen
Yeh i actualy own a disney mattel doll from 2023.
Am I the only one who grew up with both W.I.T.C.H. and Winx Club and never considered them a rip-off of one another? The only similarity they had was about the group being magical girls and I was around 7 years old when I tought so.
You’re not the only one
Same
my sister loved witch, I loved winx, we happily coexisted enjoying our respective magical girls
Same I just recently bought the DVD’s for W.I.T.C.H. Season 1 I did have volume 1 but wanted all of them managed to find them and Winx club season 1 and 2 on dvd I grew up and loved these DVD’s my originals got stolen so had to find them again I mean I’m 25 and I still watch them they are like a life line to me.
Winx is in fact,iginio copyed a lot of witch
And that’s the thing: I don’t wanna pick! Each doll line/girl targeted show taught me a lesson or entertained me one way or another, why should I have to pick?
Thank you! Why not both!?
I want a crossover.
Omg I was gonna say Lolirock reminded me more of Pretty Cure than Winx Club, and then I saw that quote how Pretty Cure was one of the inspirations! 😂
Same
Preety cure was a sailor moon ripoff
I agree with your point about people loving certain girl media and bashing the other, me and my sis always talk about it too
For me I’m obsessed with barbie while she is obsessed with bratz we still dont understand why barbie and bratz fans still fighting like you can enjoy the other media and still loving your fav franchise
Also other people still calling girl media(especially if its magical show) a rip off sailormoon or winx or precure
These accusations are getting old and annoying
Agreed
speaking as a guy there is the spiderman vs batman debuts and star wars vs star trek
I always figured the barbie vs bratz revelry was like that
@@reynellfreeman8761 same thing here with the Barbie and Bratz thought too
I rarely see people say "x is a precure rip-off", more so "glitter force" actually being said as "oh precure ripped off glitter force"
I think balala is the only show that gets compared like that
@@Y0sh1novaNothing gets called a PreCure rip off because latter seasons are mostly just remixes of older ones and the PreCure grognards are all complaining about season X being not enough like Heartcatch and that's why Aikatsu is more popular or whatever its been in the last ten years I don't keep up.
Guess there's an upside to people thinking there haven't been children's cartoons since Madoka Magica episode 3 or whatever nonsense anime news sites and lazy youtubers say.
4:21 "They team up to protect Earth from grammar" killed me omfg 😭
Hi Tony, nice to see you
True.
Yesterday I binged watched Equestria Girls. And now I understand why I’m obsessed with magical girls
I am so glad that I never forced myself into a box by choosing which show or brand I liked better. I like frilly girl things like Winx and Barbie portray, but I also like W.I.T.C.H and Bratz grittier and y2k style. But I am all about being dynamic and switching up my style constantly.😂😂
Same I don’t know why people think they have to pick one thing when they could choose both
Witch (the comic) was being developed circa late 1995, so it feels weird to laud it as a ripoff. A lot of people left disney italia to work at Rainbow so there definitely was a ping ponging effect of ideas happening during both shows development. (This is to say, if anyone's a ripoff it would be Winx, and there's lots of proof of this) also the lawsuit was based on the logos being similar
And the original authors posted some very old concept arts for WITCH on their instagram pages... Winx is definitely younger than WITCH, even if it displease the fans.
@Arealgenwunner
I liked WITCH precisely because it looked nothing like Winx, it appeared to a different audience that I happened to be a part of. Though I will admit, the Trix and Dark Bloom from the few episodes my kindergarten friend made me watch back then were fire.
@@rainpooper7088 Same
@andyscdcollection415
Sounds like that you're trying to make witch look like that its completely original, ignoring the fact that witch was inspired by sailor moon just like winx.
Winx cartoon has entered development before witch cartoon. the lawsuit wasn't just for the logo but it was for the whole show looking similar to witch, which Disney lost because Rainbow provided receipts of the show being made before Disney made the cartoon adaptation of witch.
I remember the time of W.I.T.C.H. and Winx rivarly. I don't know how much rivarly had been doing now but I remember several blogs or fanfics where these two teams were fighting against each other.
Specifically one blog where it was told not only by text but also gifs which enhanced the experience.
I grew up with both. W.I.T.C.H. was earlier in my childhood and even had these comic magazines. While winx I stumbled upon once in vacation and years later before teenhood went into winx as animated W.I.T.C.H. ended with second season and no idea what happened.
But later learned it got at least completed in the comics.
I had dvds of angels friends after I stopped watching winx and then get into Lolirock. Learning about the overall MAgical girl genre. Got into precure and pretty much... I'm chill with all the shows you presented here.
Maybe except ladybug but that's different hellhole.
I didn’t even know there was a fan war between Witch and Winx. I like both😂
The fact you left out mia and me 😢😭
(nothing the show isn't used to)
omg i miss that show but i get why it’s not that talked about
Omg fr
I also watched that
Like you said, we can easily argue that winx club is a ripoff of magical girl animes if we’re going down the originality route. Originality is a weak argument anyway, its too late in human history to look for anything original anymore. To any creatives out there, don’t be discouraged by conversations like this
I remember catching glimpses of WITCH covers in passing in the 2000s, and at the time I genuinely thought that it could be at least tangentially related to Winx Club. I literally knew nothing else about it other that it looked like Winx Club.
And yes, I'm sick and tired of everyone claiming that LoliRock is a shameless Winx Club ripoff. And I grew up with both LoliRock and Winx Club so I know what I'm talking about.
the 4kids winx club intro is sooo cunty like i am obsessed
I grew up with the dutch dub of winx. But i have to say the 4kids intro is indeed amazing.
I have grown up with original intro, not 4Kids ver., so the OG remains the best for me. The melody is inspirational, cheerful and also a bit melancholic.
But is it as cunty as the Italian intro?
@@peachesandcream22.
The only good thing about the 4kids dub
Didn't W.I.T.C.H. exist in America in book form first . and at least one of these was also made by Igenio Straffi. That's like saying because Creamy Mami exists then Sailor Moon, the more known Magical girl anime and every other magical girl anime, shouldn't.
Yes it did
If we gonna go down this road, Winx club is also a rip off of Sailor Moon. (Basically every magical girl/fairy/female warrior show)
Yup
"Basically every magical girl/fairy/female warrior show"
Ah yes lets forget that magical girl is a genre.
It's called magical girls
Agreed
Fr
When you mention how companies try to pit girls and women against each other with their products my mind was like “Jokes on them, I never fell for it. I just buy whatever I want and it’s everything or close to it at least.”. Like I’m proud to say that I am a Winx and W.I.T.C.H. fan.
I didn't know the beef between Winx and W.I.T.C.H. was that bad, i loved both shows a lot tbh because i was obsessed with fairies and magical girls. And while i was very young when Winx started, WITCH was during the beggining of my teenage years so it was a refreshing slightly more mature show that still appealed to my child brain. But i did know that there was this weird stugma that Winx was fir preppy girly girls and WITCH was for tomboy edgy girls. It was a little weird. But i didnt know disney trued to kill winx for like no reason, but I shouldn't be surprised...
I loved both shows too
@@Emily-cw7tj
Same.
same!!!!
Actually W.I.T.C.H. Is not a copycat of the Winx because they came out at the same time 2004. However W.I.T.C.H. Was supposed to air in 2003 but there was too many PG13 scenes that it took a full year to re-edit the show
Thank you
Oh I didn't know that
And W.I.T.C.H comics appeared before Winx.
@@albrtw
Precisely.
Maaaaan, WITCH is like more of an action show (Ben 10, Teen Titans) than a magical girl one. It's even not that girly XD
The only thing I seen that was girly of W.I.T.C.H was the magazine covers 😭
@@BarbieAngel-ze5ieand it starts with the letter W
For real the only thing that screamed "magical girl" to me in the show was the group's transformation, and even then it was hardly girly despite them resembling faeries in their "witch" forms.
@@Emily-cw7tjbased
Magical girl shows are action shows
Angel friends is so understated despite the horrible dub the plot and character designs are pretty good!
(Sulfus was one of my childhood crushes LMAO
And I'm pretty sure this show was why I'm obsessed with the enemies to lovers trope till this day )
Hear me out: imagine if in Angels Friends they transformed into biblically accurate angels
U tryin to scare kids or something? 🤣
@@AllyInRealityyes, yes I am
@@josheydubs hero
@@josheydubsIt depends though, biblically accurate angels all look different because of their categories. The ones we’re used to seeing in media are accurate, but are of a lower rank, it’s once you get to the higher ranks that you start seeing the freaky stuff.
Although, imagine how cool it could be if they could slide back and forth between the conventional and non-conventional look if they ever want to intimidate someone.
Seraphims gotta be the coolest looking angels tho@@kenslycarpel3140
These shows are animated beautifully.
I always preferred WC to W.I.T.C.H., and I wonder what would've happened if Disney never sued Iginio and worked with him the later seasons instead of Nick (or at least the upcoming reboot).
Oof.... the drama🤭🤭
Thomas Vaccaro mentioned that in his how Nick nearly killed Winx Club
@@chenillesagoe6348 Season 4 was bad, but the Nick seasons were worse.
@@chenillesagoe6348
Exactly.
I love both Witch and Winx. I watched both 🥰 I gotta say though, Witch has way better writing in my opinion.
Yep.
Calling anything a winx club ripoff is a bit strong when winx club is already a sailor moon ripoff 😂
I don't agree with her but calling winx club a ripoff of sailor moon is just ridiculous when the creator has stated many times that the show was just inspired by it.
@Arealgenwunner Sailor Moon is basically nothing like Cutie Honey which only got retooled to be more magical girl like in a post Sailor Moon reboot. Cutie Honey was already a ripoff of a male superhero called Rainbowman.
The original Sailor V manga was a mix of Sukeban Denka, Minky Momo and Wonder Woman (the live action tv version) its just American anime nerds who deny American influence on manga that play up Naoko having also acknowledged Cutie Honey. Toei animation then mixed Sailor V with Super Sentai and worked with Naoko to make Sailor Moon.
Im happy that Regal Academy got mentioned 😭
The fandom war never ends🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 The drama between Winx Club and W. I T.C.H
First of all the protagonists are redheads, both came out in 2004, both magical girl shows✨🌟 (Sam is a redhead from Totally Spies and Kim from Kim Possible is a redhead to). As a Winx fangirl I have a feeling that Netflix messed with the wrong magical girl for a live action Adaptation......
FATE: THE WINX SAGA!!!! MORE LIKE WINGLESS FAIRY, DARK ACADEMIA SAGA 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😠😡😡😡😡😡
Not everything needs to be a not to be a gritty reboot the SpongeBob SquarePants and wix Unite doing the Cyclops in Street Fighter Ryu handshake doing the X-Men versus Street Fighter handshake
Not everything needs to be a not to be a gritty reboot the SpongeBob SquarePants and wix Unite doing the Cyclops in Street Fighter Ryu handshake doing the X-Men versus Street Fighter handshake
@@JuanGomez-ke5py True that's why Iginio is planning to make another live action...I wish Greta Gerwig directed Live Action Winx
@@chenillesagoe6348yup I agree I couldn't even watch the first part of it then I just decided not to watch it at all
I loved everything you said! Those fanwars made me believe I had to pick one side, but after watching both WITCH and Winx, I see it completely the other way around! It is so beautiful that we have more than one show made for us with our silly little interest for fairies, girl friends groups, colorful, pretty characters, and worlds
The fact that you know both Precure and Pretty Rhythm makes you amazing.
On the topic of Winx X W.I.T.C.H., I think both shows are equally good. I was a huge W.I.T.C.H. fan on my ealry childhood (I was 5 when the show came out) and later on, Winx was booming here in Portugal, and I fell in love with it as well. Both show kinda overlaps on their premises, but they're visually so different.
Winx is so bright and colorful, which was very appealing for me growing up, while W.I.T.C.H. is more gloomy and "edgy" (hate that word lol), which is something that I prefer more nowadays being almost 25 years old. Both are great shows with awesome world-building and character development
Me too.
YOU GLORIOUS WONDEROUS HUMAN BEING this video shows up on my recommended days after I try searching for winx copycats this is a gift!!!!
Usasana I'm so glad that acknowledge that lolirock and angel friends took inspiration from anime's like PreCure and Sailor Moon.
Honestly I just heard of angel friends and I would definitely like that
lolirock is definitely get inspired by sailor moon and precure, design wise lolirock is so precure coded (in a good way ofc)
Witch isn't an Italian cartoon. It's an American cartoon based on an Italian comic
But I thought it was French
@@chenillesagoe6348 is there a reason for that?
It was made day French studio.
@@albrtw rainbow spa is an Italian studio
Fun fact: lolirock’s team is considering a season 3 to finish up the series though we won’t know til atleast 2025 on full confirmation
Lolirock season three was officially confirmed not too long ago
I know ! I’m so exited !!! ❣️❣️❣️ I love lolirock even after all these years 😁😁
:0 so there's going to be new episodes yasssssssssssssssssss
some of these comments aint it;;;
If I see one more person claim that Sailor Mon started the magical girl genre I'm getting heartburn
I get where the sentiment is coming from but its still wildly inaccurate, it's like saying Persona 3 started the Persona series.
Not to mention the fact that Sailor Moon has quite a lot more in common with super sentai shows like Power Rangers or Kamen Rider. Sometimes shows/franchises will have tropes in common and that's fine. Tropes are tools for stories after all.
@@Timepilot94 not to mention magical girls started out as witches, some shows being inspired by Bewitched, like Sally the Witch that you mentioned. I'm just so annoyed at some comments cause like...imagine someone saying Naruto started shounen or something.
I used to love both witch and Winx club. All of my cousins who were girls loved both witch and Winx club too. It was very surprising to me that there was fighting between the fandoms.
Just because it has magic does NOT make it a rip-off
Before anyone gets angry in the comments, just knows she's not calling these shows ripoffs, just judging whether they are or not.
And she decides that they are not ripoffs
Angel's friends is not a rip off of Winx Club! They aren't even the same shows!
Rewatch the critic with more attention
@Timepilot94 Though, it's a shame that neither the show nor the comics actually got finished. They both finished on a cliffhanger, and I never understood why.
witch was before winx club I remeber being like 6-10 buying comics. And yea they had carttoon long after comics but still... you rather agure that was otherwise if comes to witch and winx club (btw. I like both i just seying witch wast starting off magicial girl thingy in europe)
bro i love both winx and w.i.t.c.h they have a special place in my heart and i will forever love them
In my region Witch is far more popular than Winx club having darker mature theme that attracted boys compared to more girly Barbie theme with underrated great plot.
Me who watched Winx Club and W.I.T.C.H. in my teen years agrees completly that they're diffrent 100%. Now where can I watch Regal Academy?
But ngl LoliRock is really good 👌🏾✨I'm still waiting for the third season 🤞🏾
Actually same ! I absolutely love lolirock and I’m so exited for season 3 . I’m glad some people are still into it 😁😁😁❣️❣️❣️❣️❣️
REAL
I watched Lolirock monster high ever after high regal academy and winx club and probably lots of other ones and I loved them all but not the newer ones not sure about the newer Lolirock and other things like that tho because I did not know they were making new episodes
😻I love magical girl shows,because Its so fun without it being for certain types of people 😇it’s for everyone
Why is Witch in the miniature??? That's kinda offensive, it was my fav show back then and it's its own thing.
I think it was a case of converging evolution in media. Similar to Pokémon and Digimon (animes), they came in the same time but each one had different intentions and concepts behind and people just linked them together. Pokémon focuses in combat and episodic series, Digimon has a sci-fi ambient, the creatures talk and aren't captured (they were trying to do a tamagotchi for "boys") and the show is more linear.
The only thing they have in common is weird animals that evolve (even each evolution system is different in both) and fight.
Witch and Winx are magical girls
Tbh even as a guy I liked both WITCH and Winx Club for different reasons. I knew WITCH first from the comics, and the art style was inspiring to me as an artist. Same with Winx, which embodied that magical school energy I loved since I read the Harry Potter novels. I don't know, perhaps with guys we don't see a reason for similar shows to compete, but instead we see there's something else that takes a similar idea in a different direction and go; "Great, more stuff to fanboy over!"
Can't speak for Angel Friends though, not really a fan of the art style. Lolirock was nice though.
Witch starter as an comica in 2001 and IT was older than Winx
Yeah sure but winx started development in 1999.
But Witch development I thingk started earlier.@@lj3830
@@lj3830 If the W.I.T.C.H comics were RELEASED in 2001, it is logical that they began to be developed even earlier than Winx.
W.I.T.C.H. came out around the same time as winx club.
W.i.t.c.h started before winx club (the first magazine was released 2001), so that definitely has no reason to be accused of being a ripoff of winx club
I grew up with both winx and w.i.t.c.h. I loved both but I lean more towards witch just because I liked the darker tones of it maybe but to this day still love both
witch was more accessible to me as a child so
witch has my heart til the end
Facts w.i.t.c.h was honestly better imo
@@rentacop7038story telling wise yeah.
Also most of all the Angel's friends English voice actors have the 4 kids winx club voice actors. This isnt just raf and mikki. Gas, sulfus, actually everyone has a 4 kids voice actor from winx club.
Same with the hebrew dub most of the voice actors in angel's friends also worked on winx
True.
lil'correction, the italian comic scene is pretty wide, the specific "for teenage girl" part of it is relatively small (and magical/tokusatsu inspired used to be even rarer, due to italy consistent habit of importing the mangas straight) so a runaway IP and a disney-backed one in the setting were fine dining for the fan of the genre, and the shows only added to that
the whole reasoning why they might be rip offs/ knock offs is because all are western made anime inspired media
they might be visually similar, if they are from the same sort of a time. you see that across all genres/ cartoons/ media.
plus ever after high is more what if monster high but fairy tale characters, not edgy monsters (and I believe are by the same toy company anyway)
then also I thought w.i.t.c.h. was comics first and the show later ? I mean my older sister had a WHOLE COLLECTION of the magazines with mainly only the comics in them, still should have the absolute unit of a binder with the like first release of those somewhere. They only started re-releasing in my area around the same time winx started airing (and I think I actually got to know about winx from a cd packed as a gift in one of these other already established media magazines) at which point my sister already had her magazine collection
and then angel friends, a show I was also familiar with around the time of release, clearly pulling from the same sort of a magical girls media genre blueprint, because it is quite enjoyable format. saying it's a rip off is like calling all romance genre books rip off from one another, or all horror media. they follow certain things which are characteristic for the genre they are made as. A western magical girl media will have: magical girl group, a leader the consumer of media can project onto, relatable enough rest of the group likely based on tropes to offer diversity for relating, a love interest from possibly rival group as it is a girl targeted media and rivalry creates conflict which is important for story/relationship progression, and, some overarching evil force for the heroes to fight
that's just all stories ever babe, like what ? genuine confusion ??
Yup monster high and ever after high are basically the same like u said but also different
Lmao I remember being hardcore into the Winx vs Witch debate. I liked both lmao.
i agree that they aren't rip offs but winx's impact is too often downplayed. it influenced a lot of stuff that came after it especially in barbie and mlp
winx artsyle also clearly influenced monster high
@@bb-nq9hoand ever after high because both are the same but also different they also have one character in both shows and u can see the other show in the other one u can see monster high in ever after high and the other way around
Sorry for no punctuation I have a hard time finding where to put them
I remember angel friends being so much fun. But also so much wasted potential. I just wanted more!!!!!!!!
W.I.T.C.H came before Winx, what are you talking about ?????
True!!!
“winx ripoff” but it’s really just another magical girl show
Very interesting, I didn’t realize how many clone shows were made of this. I remember seeing Winx and a few of these clone shows on cable a few times as a child though.
I've never understand the Winx vs W.I.T.C.H. war, i was obsessed with the Winx cartoon, obsessed with the W.I.T.C.H comics and had dolls from both 😅
GIRL’S GENERATION MAKE YOU FEEL THE HEAT
Also I totally disagree, the Italian intro is soo much better and suits the show more
Thank you for not saying Winx wasn't a rip off of Sailor Moon 😡
RE the Winx/WITCH lawsuit: It reminded me of two cases from comics (the Doom Patrol & the X-Men in the 60s stories, and later Neil Gaiman's Tim Hunter character compared to Harry Potter), where it was ultimately just a case of like inspirations. As someone who liked both, they were so radically different in their execution of their shared genre that I kinda dreaded Disney winning & trying to stake a claim on general magical girl tropes.
Anyway, if you want to see a series biting both pretty hard, there's the Italian-only comic Isa & Bea: Witches, which feels like a weird hybrid of the two.
i loved every single one of these as a kid. never realised they were seen as rip offs of one another before this.
about angel’s friends- i think it gets way less attention than it deserves! yes it has a lot of flaws but the end of season plot twist, limbo trapped lady shipping the mcs (for evil reasons ofc), and simple episodes about the angel vs devil shenanigans were actually pretty riveting! i’ve seen barely any discussion of it sadly :( the whole series is even free on youtube!
idk how it happened but everytime I see angel’s friends somewhere in the back of my mind pops out a memory that I’ve watched every episode of it yet I dont remember watching it…anyways…youre so right, Im almost 17 and Ive always liked watching magical girls shows since I was literally born and if I saw ANY show when I was a kid with magical girls, I would base my personality of it for like 2 weeks until I found another show…liking only one would be so boring so why like only one when you can like every :P ? but ngl winx will be forever my #1 (maybe also cuz it was my first magical girls show and its just so comforting to me)
Oh god...Not the DIC Sailor Moon music...Thank goodness there is a new and faithful dub
i was never aware of the lawsuit between winx club and w.i.t.c.h, as i child i loved to watch both of them and never heard about the rivalry so that is news to me
About Descendants vs EAH:
Just like the lawsuit with W.i.t.c.h vs Winx Disney didn´t like EAH.
If I remember right this is why Mattel lost the Disney licence and Hasbro got it instead. Because they couldn´t have EAH while they planned on making descendants. Because these two lines couldn´t have co-existed. Because Disney needs to own a monopoly. Hypocritical since Disney is famous for adapting stories from the public domain.
Disney ending their license with Mattel is part of why EAH was canceled and why MH had the reboot. Since Mattel lost money without the Disney princess line.
Edit: don't take this fully as gospel. Just as any comment you see online, you should take it with a grain of salt.
I might have misremembered some facts.
The sad part is eah was so beautiful but Decendanse was the cringiest disny show ive ever seen
The studio that made the anime closed too, if they had continued the quality would have changed a lot
Disney is so sneaky.
w.i.t.c.h. being the best of the rest of the flops mentioned i know thats right
People who compare ever after high and winx never watched either one of them same with people who compare Lolirock, winx
Yup none of them are the same well not really both are all or almost all girls and have magic and things like that but other then that nothing is the same exact thing enough to make it a rip off
@@Natalielovescats yeah but with ever after high it’s just a story about different fairy tales kids and their destiny and how the evil queen child want to changes hers for the better.
Lolirock is about a three young girl who have to find gems (forgot what they was called) while fighting off the two twins who make different monsters every time and they need those gem stones to repair the crown and defeat what his name so they can save their homeland and parents
So I don’t understand how people can compare them and be like “yep that’s a rip off” like winx club is just about them living in fairy school while fighting off the revival school now world off winx is them pretending to be humans while being on a tv show so they can find these different people who are in danger to save them before it’s too late
@@Moonlight_Garden199 I never said they were the same I said the only thing that’s the same is there is girls in both or all and they have magic and are almost always fighting for something
I also watched all of them so I know what you are talking about
@@Natalielovescats yeah I was agreeing with you sorry if it came off weird lol
None of these mentioned cartoons are any ripoffs of Winx Club 😭
Nothing can beat the nostalgia that winx club holds
Actually - '' Angel's Friends'' is rather rip-off of anime '' Wedding Peach'' (both these series are about angels and devil's). '' Regal Academy '' seems to be '' Ever After High'' rip-off (children of the fairy tale characters etc.). And ''Lolirock''... well, look at the girls' transformation, their clothes, their hair changing colors - totally reminds me of Precure franchise! Plus, at some point it turns out Iris is a long-lost princess from another world. '' Sailor Moon'' vibes!!!! Just like it was with Bloom from '' Winx Club'', by the way...
Regal academy was never rip off ever after high did you even watch the show regal academy was created before ever after high as dark comedy called twisted fairy tale in 2009 so there is no way you to call regal academy a rib off ever after high
Fun fact about Lolirock (WITH MASSIVE SPOILERS),
FINAL SPOILER WARNING
At the end of the final season before the show was cancelled, the main villain was defeated. However, one of the "evil" (theyre just kinda goofy tbh) twins, the brother, is CANONICALLY KILLED OFF IN FRONT OF HIS SISTER (we don't see the body so he's probably alive maybe) accidentally by the heroines, which motivates the sister to use the power that the former main baddy used. It ends with a reflection/musing from the protag after the sister threatened everyone and swore revenge
Oh then I guess I did already watch the new episodes Oof
That Team Rocket part though 😂😂
Actually, Regal Academy was MADE before Winx Club, BUT, Regal Academy was released in 2016.
ngl, put this video on to have smth in the background while doing my make up. Did not expect it to be the video i didnt know i needed. Great video, much love
ok guys so winx is one of my fave but not just winx more but like not just winx
11y old me would be very exited to see this video and idk why
Its always a "lost" human girl who later discovers she has magic roots and she might actually not be human or she is half human😅... don't forget the adoptive parents.
I loved all the shows.
OMG i loved angel friends it was so good I don’t quite remember since I watched it and winx in my childhood but I think I watched it before winx and definitely liked it more
Fan 1: I can’t believe this, they stole this idea from Winx Club.
Fan 2: Yeah well Winx Club stole it from Sailor Moon.
Fan 3: Everything is stolen these days. Even this joke is a ripoff from The Simpsons.
You should make a series of this topic
Well, i made my own 'ripoff' know simply as "Angel Girls".
Lolirock unlocked me some really deep memory of a DVD that i had with only the first episode,and i used to really like it
I actually grew up watching winx club and w.i.t.c.h and I honestly never really thought about it being a ripoff/knockoff of each other. I enjoyed watching both shows and still to this day, as an adult, I still enjoy and try to watch the shows.