You gotta understand, Jack is Wendy’s HUSBAND. He’s not some random dude trying to kill her, they’ve been married for years. So it’s harder for her to accept that he’s gone crazy
@@btd7664 I understand both pov on Wendy and her character being the way she is, but the issues with her characterization falls on Kubrick. No need to mock feminism, most mothers react that way to her character. I KNOW to this day my mom would kill for me and my brother and I’m in my early 30s. My dad pulled some shit like this and it’s OVER!
@BT D oh God. Are you one of those "wAaH! SjW/wOkE Mob! tHe MiNiMiZaTiOn oF ThE sTrAiGhT WhItE mAlE! NoT wHiTe MaN cHaRaCtEr = BaD wRiTiNg, WeAk sToRy!" clowns?
I think she's a little too hard on Wendy. It's easy to look at her from the outside and say, stop crying, hit him, run faster, but in the moment remember that this is a woman whose husband of 10-15 years, who she presumably loves, is trying to murder her and their son. She has to come to grips with the fact that he's gone insane. Wendy isn't an action hero, she's just a person trying to survive and save her son and she's successful in the end. I think Shelley Duvall was terrific in this role.
true .. also .. if the hotel can induce thoughts and visions it can induce emotion .. including debilitating terror. So Wendy being overly hysterical is entirely in the mood of being influenced by the hotel.
@Mrs. Movies on TH-cam there are some “behind the scenes” clips of this movie being made. Very interesting. Also, as has been said Kubrick kinda abused Duval to wind her up into being hysterical. Nicholson even said he thought Stanley went too far.
Shelly’s character is clearly a long term victim of verbal and emotional abuse. She had poor self esteem and fear of her husband (and fear of being alone) long before her husband lost it.
Totally right. It's a masterful performance. Some women hate Shelly because of their own insecurities. It's touching you sympathise with her as all viewers should ❤
"I hate her right now" Well you're using horror movie thinking of what she should do. She's not dealing with a horror movie, from her perspective, she's dealing with her husband of many years. She's not a last girl facing Jason. She's not even thinking of ghosts or evil spirits of the hotel.
Yep, imagine if the Mr., Mrs, & family went to be the caretakers of a hotel and the Mr. started to act like that. He is her soul mate and supposed to protect the family. TBH, any man or woman who saw their significant other start acting that way would want to do everything they could to keep their family together (not believing what is happening), yet would be terrified and confused at the same time. Personally, I think and believe that I would have lost my mind if I was Wendy.
The Shining genuinely terrifies me. Shelley Duvall’s performance always makes me a little teary-eyed because of how much trauma her character endures. You can tell Jack isn’t entirely stable from the get-go and she appears to walk on eggshells in an attempt to keep the peace. It’s the case of an emotionally abused woman who then has to reckon with the fact that the abuse is now turning into something physical, causing her to have an emotional breakdown.
And she , the actress, endured trauma as well from Kubrick during the making of the film. He told the crew not to help her when she'd get over exhausted or upset from all the abuse. He made her do the bat scene like over 100x
The wife was really pissed at Wendy! lol I mean, the woman is in a haunted lodge with her psychotic husband, disturbed son, and ghosts. I can totally understand her frustration and panic in the situation.
Completely agree. Hell, I was getting pissed at her for being pissed at Wendy. Not everyone is gonna be cool, calm and collected when all this kind of shit starts happening within a short time span. Nervous breakdowns are bound to happen.
@@bananaz572171 Exactly, when I can empathize with a character in a movie, it's usually because the actor is doing his or her job and Shelley Duvall was convincingly playing a timid, yet supportive wife and mother who got caught up in a crazy, supernatural disaster with insanity surrounding her. Wendy is literally the most relatable character in the movie. Unfortunately, I see it a lot where people tend to hate the characters who are believably terrified and who aren't the unrealistic, kickass heroes in horror movies. How does someone not feel anything towards a woman with a verbally abusive, alcoholic husband and a mother who spent the entire film being worried about and trying to protect her son?
@@drlee2 I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll still get pissy with characters that are actively being dumbass hell, but Wendy's reaction/response makes perfect sense for the situation.
The fact that she says Wendy is a pathetic character is absolutely mind boggling to me. The character was obviously mentally, verbally, and most likely physically abused by Jack probably throughout the entire relationship but yet she just stayed and tried to keep the peace and because she still loved him. The reason why she was weeping the whole movie is pretty obvious... she hadn't yet accepted the fact that Jack was obviously insane from the get go and when she finally realized it its understandable for her to have a mental breakdown.....on top of that the fact that she realizes her own husband who she's been with for probably what 10 15 years now is now trying to murder her and their kid.... on top of that.... the hotel evil forces were waking up.... she had do so much going on in her head trying to accept that Jack was crazy that she hadnt even thought of the fact about all the evil spirits that embodied the hotel.... its a completely realistic portryal of a broken battered down sweet caring women... the fact that this lady reactor acts like Wendy's reaction to the whole thing was pathetic makes no sense to me as most people in real life would have the same emotions as Wendy throughout the film.... no one is just going to be cool,calm, and collected In a situation like this and if she acts like she would be than that's just crazy talk...
Shelley Duvall is the MVP of this film. None of it works without her reactions, none of it. She has the hardest job of seeming outwardly weak and utterly terrified while beating Jack every time he comes after her. The whole cast is great but she's always what I think of first when I think of TS.
I had the pleasure of meeting Scatman Crothers when I worked at a golf course in So Cal when I was about 15. He brought out his ukulele and played a couple of songs. Very memorial moment in my life. He was such a kind man.
The Mrs. hating on her character not withstanding, I thought Shelley Duvall was terrific in this film. Kubrick really did a number on her during production per his reputation. Dr.Sleep is a worthy sequel.
I agree. She gave the most convincing performance of someone who's scared shitless I've ever seen. That scene where she realizes that her husband has completely lost his mind is amazing.
@Trouble in Woodsboro Agreed. Duvall has had mental issues ever since not only because of this film but just in general and quit acting because of it years later.
@Trouble in Woodsboro Kubrick was known to be a complete asshole to his actors and film crew for most of his career, but what we got were masterpiece films because of his abuse, which is crazy.
You have misguided and unfair expectations of Wendy. Her natural state is being passive and loyal to her husband. She's not going to all of a sudden turn into Wonder Woman.
plus, throughout the whole movie there are dozens of hints and nods to jack being an abusive husband/father long before they went to the hotel.... victims of abuse don't usually tend get stronger the longer the abuse lasts
Right? Such a bummer that her characters nature on top of the established relationship she already had with Jack isn’t taken into consideration when trying to understand Wendy’s fear and confusions
Wendy may have seemed weak but she was really the one who was managing the hotel the entire time, she was even making sure to have contact with the outside world. All Jack was doing was writing his book and getting involved with a ghost house.
Kubrick infamously 'brutally' directed the actress who played Wendy deliberately to the extent that she was on the verge of a breakdown, asking for hundreds of takes, so he could get an 'authentic' performance of her coming apart emotionaly. That wouldnt fly these days.
@@MST3Killa You dont have director that can do it , both Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick are history , you cant throw birds on your main actress as Hitchcock did to Tippi Hedren , who also had nervous breakdown on scene , you would get sued for animal cruelty and insurance company would have a word or two to say .
A freaking masterpiece. King himself didn't like Kubrick's take on his book, but this film is overwhelmingly terrifying. The loneliness, the isolation, the vast space... it's a lot to take.
th-cam.com/video/wRr_0W-9hWg/w-d-xo.html Check out the Wendy Theory. The video makes a good case that Wendy is actually crazy and hallucinates alot of what we are shown.
@@elskeletor3566 BUT whether it's the 'Wendy Theory', the 'Kool-Aid Theory', the 'Indian Genocide Theory', the 'Nixon/Gold Standard', the 'Jack's Novel Theory', it's NOT the feckin' 'Indian Burial Ground' theory, which is soooooo effin' lame. Hats off to Kubrick for ditching that BS and coming up with a movie that is so much more fascinating, than that tedious IBG crapola that King keeps churning out. (There's another theory: The only thing more clichéd than IBG is "Come on, men! We'll head 'em off at the pass") Actually, the stooopidest theory about this movie is that it's Kubrick's confession to the World that HE faked the Moon Landings in Pinewood Studies. Pretty damn dumb - but STILL more credible and creatively interesting than IBG.
@CJ P. yeah I didn't like the 90's mini-series even though it was more loyal to the book... the family was too 'perfect', the jump-scares were not scary. Kubrick is a genius.
Shelly Duvall's performance was so GOOD in this!! It's an absolute travesty that she didn't get an Oscar for it. Just look at your reaction to her! She went through hell for it too.
IF I remember correctly from watching a "making of..." of this movie, Shelly Duvall was also literally losing hair because of her nervous condition that Kubrick put her through - he basically treated her like $hit. She did not do very many movies after this one because of her experiences with Kubrick.
@@red-stapler574 i wouldn't use the term helped. He traumatized her to get what he wanted. She quit acting soon after. Let's not legitimize torturing someone to make them "act good". Many other actresses gave much better performances in other films without having to be practically sent to the mental ward after. What she went through was not normal and should not be celebrated. Kubrick was an ass.
The scene in the crimson bathroom is the most chilling horror sequence in movie history - and not a drop of blood shed. The English actor who played Delbert Grady, Philip Stone, was truly sinister.
21:07 I think by an outside party he means Dick trying to interfere at the hotel. Because the Overlook not only has ghosts in it but the hotel itself is a living thing as well trying to escape using Danny's shining and it wanted to get Jack to kill Danny so it could absorb it.
I get that Stephen King (one of my favorite writers of all time btw) doesn’t like it and I get that liberties were taken, but for me this is one of very few instances where I think the movie simplifies and improves on the book version. Idk, it could just be Jack’s energy that just carries this film, but I love it. The little actor that played Danny was phenomenal too, and I also really like the portrayal of Wendy, I think it’s somewhat realistic to how a more mousy but sweet hearted person might react in that situation.
There is a lot in the book that won't translate to a movie. For instance, the scrapbook thing, his relationship with the part owner of the hotel, Jack and Wendy's relationships with their parents...all that stuff enriches a reading experience but would not make for a good viewing experience.
Respectfully I disagree regarding Nicholsons 'energy'. He is insane from his very first appearance and the feeble cracks like "Wendy, I'm home" totally take away any menace whatsoever and turn him into Wile. E Coyote to me.
timberline lodge east of portland oregon is the outside of the overlook hotel, also the part of the oregon state hospital where one flew over the cookoo's nest was remodeled sometime in the last 20 years(i haven't lived in salem in 20 years)
Wow - I've never seen such a cruel reaction to Wendy's character. That poor woman was put through hell to make this movie. That swinging bat scene was shot 127 times. Her exhaustion was REAL. And that I hear was just the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah,she irked my soul with the complaining. I didn't think wendy was useless. I would love to see some of these ppl who expect wonder woman in scary situations,go up against some crazy,scary stuff,and see how useful they'd be.
Yes, Kubrick basically tortured Shelley Duvall to *make* her exhausted, from what I hear also didn't warn her about the ax/door scene, all just to get the "most authentic" reactions
No clue how it started but when I was a child me and my grandmother would watch this movie once every year. She hated horror movies, and I loved them. This is the only horror movie, other than Cabin in the Woods (which she dragged ME to), that she likes. I remember curling up in the bed with her and eating popcorn and a BLT. This was our sort of Christmas movie, since we'd watch it either in October or December. Good times.
I had the same kind of grandmother experience but with The Golden Girls. I would go to her house every Saturday as a kid and that was our thing. Awesome share
Kubrick's assistant typed all the "all work and no play" pages. She also typed them in different languages for different countries the movie was released in.
"Advocaat or advocatenborrel is a traditional Dutch alcoholic beverage made from eggs, sugar, and brandy. The rich and creamy drink has a smooth, custard-like consistency. The typical alcohol content is generally between 14% and 20%"
So Kubrick made EVERYONE be rude, mean and ignore Shelly Duvall the whole time of filming. Just to help keep her a wreck through out the movie. She was also sick through out filming and was rumored to have cried for hours due to the mistreating. Thus helping her kok exhausted and a mess.
@@stefanforrer2573 oh I agree. Helping her were his words. It is horrible. I grew up watching her on Faerie Tape Theater, well pretty much anything 80's of hers I've seen. It is sad to her how it truly effected her. You can TH-cam the behind the scenes of the movie and see some of it. The way they would ignore her if she asked for something or they would leave her out when serving food.
Dick Hallorann went into 237 and had a encounter with the permanent resident that is why he warned Danny to stay out. The room was dangerous for anyone who has the shining. The malevolent spirit of Mrs. Massey haunts the room waiting for guests. This was not mentioned in the movie.
8:25 - lol - seriously though, can you imagine how hard it would be to actually maintain that hedge maze? So many workers in there trimming everything back, whippersnipping all the grass, finding their way out of it, etc.
The exteriors of the Overlook Hotel were shot at the Timberline Lodge at the base of Mt. Hood in Oregon.. The interiors were both based on and shot at the Stanley Hotel in Colorado.. (The soundstage sets were all patterned after the interiors of the Stanley..) -- I don't know where you folks live, but a trip to either location is well worth it...
People act like Wendy is so weak when she literally drags jack through the hotel and locks him in the food closet all by herself after having gone through extreme mental stress and exhaustion.
Love this one. My brother ( rather adventurous ), decided to stay at the location hotel. Went to go to sleep, but it was so much in his head that he left. Went back the next morning to check out.
At 19:20 the drink is called Avocat. It's a Dutch custard alcoholic drink that consist of Brandy, Egg Yolks, Sugar or Honey, Vanilla, and Cream. It's very similar to Egg Nog.
my cousin who is the same age as I am asked me "Who is David Letterman? TH-cam keeps sending me his videos as recommendations???" me: 🤨 but to be fair, Johnny Carson died 20 years ago...
🤠 The character you liked so much, Dick, was played by Scatman Crothers, an extremely talented musician, singer, actor from the mid 20th century who also did a lot of voice-overs and TV appearances on various shows. 👍
FYI if you’re ever being attacked and you get one good shot in. Do not go for the groin. All it does is cause pain and doesn’t do anything to prevent the man from continuing to attack. If he has even a decent pain tolerance or definitely if the person is on a drug a groin shot won’t even slow them down. You have to do enough damage that they physically can no longer attack. Eyes-they can’t see. Throat-they can’t breathe. Knees-kick them in the wrong direction and they can’t walk. (Martial arts and self-defense instructor here.)
A normal regular person being presented with incomprehensibly and impossiblr horrors, as well as having to emotionally deal with your husband losing his mind and being intent on murdering you and your child in the most violent and evil ways . . . . can you say you would act rationally and pragmatically with a clear head? I don't think so. She played this very well.
Doctor Sleep is by far my favourite horror movie from the past 15 years, easily. The performances in The Shining and so good. Say what you want about Wendy, Shelly's performance, being at the verge of a nervous breakdown for the whole third act is nothing short of amazing (we all know the stories about Kubrick and his "technique" with Shelly), but what ends up on screen is so raw.
19:39...Advocaat is a Dutch drink made with eggs, sugar and brandy. If you go to a party it's normally the only thing in the drinks cabinet that's left untouched. However if you add fizzy lemonade to it it becomes a Snowball and is delicious. 😋
Stanley Kubrick essentially gave Shelley Duvall PTSD while feeling this movie. He later admitted to basically treating her like shit the entire time and having the true ignore her completely so that he could get that terrified performance over. When Jack was coming through the door with the ax she reportedly had no idea what was going to happen so it scared the shit out of her
Exactly, too much is cut out and trimmed in the theatrical version (character development, subplot details, even more Shining' references/call backs, etc). The director's cut is a much richer experience in my opinion...
@@phantompunk0072 - The Blu-Ray has both versions (theatrical and director's cut) of 'Doctor Sleep'...at least my copy does (I dunno about other copies out there).
I do have to say I’m disappointed in the reaction to Wendy. I honestly don’t get how you don’t appreciate the realism. You say Jack was “terrifying” but frustrated that the marginalized wife would find him terrifying.
You have to acknowledge the one advantage you have over Wendy: for her, Jack was just a more or less reasonable husband with alcohol problems; you see Jack Nicholson and know immediately he's going to be crazy. The killing of Dick was just for the shock value, what a waste of a character (not happening in the novel). Talking the book: in the end, the hotel actually burns down. Advocaat is an egg-based liqueur (think of a cream-liqueur with egg yolks instead of cream). You can drink it as a shot, use it as a topping on ice cream, spice up your coffee, bake a sponge cake with it or mix a cocktail (like a "Snowball": a shot of Advocaat filled up with lemon soda).
The other notable thing about Advocaat is that it was named for an avocado based liquor used by certain South/Central American tribes (a continuation of the Native American exploitation/genocide subtext) and, that during the age of European colonization, it was the drink of choice for sealing/toasting a legal contract. Advocaat means lawyer in Dutch. Jack said he would sell his soul for a lousy beer.
Good point. Plus, she's clearly deluded by Hollyweird's modern girl power myth. Woe-men NEVER act emotional at inappropriate times, obviously. And woe-men NEVER fall apart into hysterics and hyperventilation. Woe-men NEVER scream for help instead of actually being the help. These are clearly all just myths debunked by Hollyweird's version of reality. lol Look at police reports and emergency response reports and and real life circumstances. The true reality has nothing to do with girl-powah BS. Wendy play's a typical wyfe exactly how she would act in a violent life or death situation, then and today and tomorrow.
17:17 He's trying to use The Shining to get help. Sad fact: Shelley Duvall, who played Wendy, was emotionally abused to get a certain performance out of her by the director Stanley Kubrick. She is truly devastated throughout. It's heartbreaking when you see it in that light.
Why do you say "she never recovered" as if this is what broke her completely? She developed mental illness in later years but I don't see how it's even remotely related to her work with Kubrick. Kubrick was an asshole but she still praised him. Here's a quote from an article: "While Duvall admitted that Kubrick was unnecessarily hard on her, cruel and abusive during the shooting schedule, she also defended him by talking about how he perpetrated the same amount of abuse that had been imposed on him in the past. She never bore any ill will towards Kubrick because, apparently, he was “warm and friendly” towards Duvall behind the scenes and would spend hours conversing with her and Nicholson while the crew indignantly waited. He would ignore the crew’s earnest pleas of “Stanley, we have 60 people waiting” and ploughed on with his own vision."
In the book, there's no maze. Instead there's a topiary of animals which come to life in the climax. Dick Halloran is not killed, but escapes with Wendy and Danny. In the end, the hotel blows up from a faulty boiler. Those are the main differences I remember. A bunch of smaller ones too.
33:15, like Grady said, he's always been the caretaker. There have been theories that Jack died a long time ago, that he is in hell, being punished for his sins for what he done in his past life.
Favourite line: "Wendy. Darling. LIGHT of my LIFE." Close second: "Here's Johnny!" I also enjoy the way Jack mockingly says "As soon as possible?" Nicholson plays that whole confrontation terrifyingly well.
It felt like you had no idea what was being portrayed in the character of Wendy, not only was the character supposed to be weak and scared of a husband going slowly, murderously insane, but the actress, Shelly Duval, was driven to utter breaking point by a director who's sole intent was to break her. The base ball bat scene alone was done over 127 takes, the highest number of takes in any film according to the Guinness Book of World records. Duvall ended up with a hoarse throat, raw wounded hands and severe dehydration. So before you hate her character, at least educate yourself.
I don't disagree I thought she was a good character but we need to remember this movie is old and women think different now. I could never imagine myself in that situation.
Nothing like the best vacation up there, Ah delightful! You have to love how this place goes from "Mmm this could go wrong" slowly but surely into "RUN! RUN AWAY!"
So you're telling me you would be in complete control of your emotions and know exactly what to do when this situation was happening to you? Come on...
You did a great edit of this, especially during the bathtub scene, highlighting her reaction shot in relation to the scene, it was great! Very well presented! My favorite line, when the camera is on Scatman Crothers' face, she says "He's getting all shiny!" Ha! That's great! So is Jack-ciklson, lol. The book is very different, and yet Kubrick totally retains the mood of the spooky hotel. There is no maze in the book. Instead there are these topiary animals that seem to move when your back is turned. Very spooky. Halloran doesn't get killed in the book, the three of them make an escape, while Jack blows up the hotel. There's not an axe, instead it's a croquet mallet. Tony appears to Danny in his head, as opposed to talking to his finger. There is a real creepy scrapbook that Jack Torrance finds and studies; it has clipping of all kinds of terrible things that happened at the Overlook. Wendy is blonde and the relationship between Jack and her is a little warmer earlier in the book. Congratulations! In one week, you got through two of the most humiliating roles for an actress of the 80s: Isabella Rosellini in "Blue Velvet" and Shelley Duvall in "The Shining"! Both actresses suffered for doing those roles. PS: Since you did "The Shining", we gotta to see her react to "Carrie"! The other great Stephen King adaptation of the late 70s! Also "Creepshow", the Stephen King-written, George Romero-directed horror-comedy anthology movie. I'm assuming the husband has seen it, but if he hasn't, even more reason to do a reaction to it! That one is a blast! Anyways, "Carrie" (1976) and "Creepshow" (1983), to go with your "Shining'! Thanks for the fun vid!
Since you mentioned Carrie, I'll tag my comment to yours. Carrie has telekinesis. Danny in The Shining has telepathy and clairvoyance (knowing what's happening now in a different location) and/or precognition (knowing what will happen in the future). I think we see instances of both clairvoyance and precog. Charlie in Firestarter has pyrokinesis and just a bit of precog/clairvoyance.
Fun fact, this movie was filmed almost entirely on a movie set. The whole lobby was a copy of the Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite. `Including the outdoor scenes running in the snow, which was actually Styrofoam.
I always find it funny how people all think they'd be Rambo if they ended up in a horror movie scenario, when they're safe in a theater or at home and maybe at worst have goosebumps. In real-life situations such as mass shootings, data shows that most people are killing neither running nor fighting back, but frozen to the spot, paralyzed by fear. Until you're actually in fear of your life, you can never know how you'll react. Definitely watch Doctor Sleep. It's really a worthy follow-up. Mike Flanagan is a director to watch in the future.
Whoa. You just blew my mind with this observation. As many times as I’ve watched the movie I never picked up on the comment on the daughters’ age differences. Details like this one make me love this movie even more. It truly gets better every time I watch it. What a masterpiece.
"So, we should just burn down the hotel now, then?" Funny you should say that because the hotel does burn down at the end of the original novel. Now you need to watch Doctor Sleep!
25:53 "This f*ing Ghost can open doors" - So these ghosts are as smart as raptors. And Mrs. Movies is wearing a "Jurassic Park" shirt ... coincidence, or is she psychic?
I first saw this in 1980, I found it absolutely terrifying. Not because of the supernatural element but because Jack acted exactly like my dad. It was an incredibly violent childhood where we were afraid to come home from school everyday. We were convinced he was going to kill us and thus we dare not resist, tell anyone, call the cops. Anything would potentially bring more of his wrath on us. While Wendy was indeed weak, it was understandable. That level of trauma for years tends to program you on how to act. as a teen I had earned a brown belt in Tai Kwon Do, but could not even think about raising a hand against him. So, to me The Shining was so close to home that I found it, find it terrifying.
Stanley Kubrick basically tortured Shelly Duvall on set to make her into a quivering wreck. He made her do the baseball bat scene over 100 times, he made the film crew make comments about her to make her upset and he mentally abused her to get her to how he wanted her to be on film. She has suffered for years after the film because of all this.
Apparently Stanley Kubrick made her eat on lunch times and beak times on her own and told the other actors not to interact to her as he wanted her isolated from everyone else to bring the absolute best from shelley duvalls role. Sadly she suffered mental illness due to this.
@@chaostwo-point-oh3596 Well, I, for one, sought clarification from the OP. I didn’t jump at him. I asked a simple question which I genuinely wanted to know the answer to, and he sent me a snarky reply which gives him away really. I’m now inclined to believe that he formed negative impressions of the Mrs based on her unadulterated reaction to a movie character, and he wished to chide her. As you do. You do know the comment section is public, right? You appear to be rather annoyed about her reaction based on the comments you’re leaving in other threads. So why pretend now? These comments tells us about who you are as a people too.
Willie: Now if you need ma help, use your shinning. Bart: Don't you mean "Shining?" Willie: SHHH! You want to get sued? The Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror parody of The Shining.
I actually remember that episode! I haven't watched the Simpsons in over 15 years, but the Treehouse episodes were my favorite. Or when they had famous characters/actors.
My favorite one liner in the film is Here’s Johnny. As for your thoughts about Wendy a lot of people know about fight or flight… it’s common knowledge; but many don’t know there are actually four possible options when placed in a traumatic situation: Fight, Flight, Fawn, and Freeze. The first two are self explanatory, and again common knowledge. Fawn basically means that the traumatized person will try to befriend or appease their tormentor, please them in order to survive. Freeze is represented in an Oscar worthy(though the academy disagreed) performance here by Shelley DuVall… freeze basically shuts down any instincts you have of self preservation… you become powerless, and weak, and small… in the hopes that your attacker will have pity and grant mercy. Alternatively to put it another way, freeze is becoming completely numb and dissociated from what’s happening to you or around you. Mrs. movies seems FIRMLY in the Fight category, and that’s a perfectly valid trauma response… but Wendy’s is too, and Shelley went through absolute hell(which she never really recovered from) at Kubrick’s hands in order to “get the shot” and achieve his vision; by the end of filming she’d lost over 35 pounds, and was losing hair in chunks, and for years she said in interviews that she hated Stanley for what he’d done, even if it led to a masterful performance. I respect your reaction Mrs. Movies, and can understand that your own trauma responses differ from others, only disappointment is I wish people wouldn’t invalidate trauma responses that differ from their own because it’s so damaging. But as I said I still thoroughly enjoyed the reaction!
You two are my favorite reactors on YT! Your reactions are hilarious especially to my favorite genre - horror. I haven't watched Dexter since it ended and am really loving watching it all over again and realizing how much I forgot took place. Keep up the great reactions!
In the book, part of the caretaker’s duty was to drain the pressure from the boiler in the basement. Since this wasn’t done for a few days as the caretaker was preoccupied with his homicidal rage, the boiler explodes and the hotel burns down. As it burns, something dark flies away, implying that the Overlook Hotel was occupied by some sort of evil spectral entity.
"ghost open doors" - this movie has gone through a mandala conversion -some scenes has been added and some removed -like then the ghost opened the door you actually saw him and open it -somewhere around 1992?-95 this scene were removed -maybe earlier -not shure
In the novel it makes it clear that the hotel is drawing power from the little boy. From his shining. The more power the hotel drew from the little boy the more physical manifestations it could produce.
Good reaction. Ha! Just realized you guys are in Billings! I lived there back in the 90s. Loved it. Trying to get outta LA and get back to MT very soon. Cheers, guys.
Here’s Johnny I think gets lost, but isn’t random. It’s not only the old Tonight Show (with Johnny Carson) intro; it’s Jack Torrence’s name. Maybe it’s a generational thing, but it seems people have almost universally forgotten that the name “Jack” is a nickname for “John” - like ‘Jack’ Kennedy. In fact, Jack Nicholson’s name is ‘John Joseph Nicholson’.
You gotta understand, Jack is Wendy’s HUSBAND. He’s not some random dude trying to kill her, they’ve been married for years. So it’s harder for her to accept that he’s gone crazy
@@btd7664 I understand both pov on Wendy and her character being the way she is, but the issues with her characterization falls on Kubrick. No need to mock feminism, most mothers react that way to her character. I KNOW to this day my mom would kill for me and my brother and I’m in my early 30s. My dad pulled some shit like this and it’s OVER!
Kubrick really found a way to get that proper emotion out of Duvall, rough as it was on her
Yeah but she is annoyingly weak.
@BT D oh God. Are you one of those "wAaH! SjW/wOkE Mob! tHe MiNiMiZaTiOn oF ThE sTrAiGhT WhItE mAlE! NoT wHiTe MaN cHaRaCtEr = BaD wRiTiNg, WeAk sToRy!" clowns?
Thank you
I think she's a little too hard on Wendy. It's easy to look at her from the outside and say, stop crying, hit him, run faster, but in the moment remember that this is a woman whose husband of 10-15 years, who she presumably loves, is trying to murder her and their son. She has to come to grips with the fact that he's gone insane. Wendy isn't an action hero, she's just a person trying to survive and save her son and she's successful in the end. I think Shelley Duvall was terrific in this role.
I still think she couldn’t have done it with less weeping.
true .. also .. if the hotel can induce thoughts and visions it can induce emotion .. including debilitating terror. So Wendy being overly hysterical is entirely in the mood of being influenced by the hotel.
@@mijmijrm I like that theory
Kubrick purposely made her cry pathetically. It's what he wanted and spent hours on set humiliating her.
@Mrs. Movies on TH-cam there are some “behind the scenes” clips of this movie being made. Very interesting. Also, as has been said Kubrick kinda abused Duval to wind her up into being hysterical. Nicholson even said he thought Stanley went too far.
Shelly’s character is clearly a long term victim of verbal and emotional abuse. She had poor self esteem and fear of her husband (and fear of being alone) long before her husband lost it.
Totally right. It's a masterful performance. Some women hate Shelly because of their own insecurities. It's touching you sympathise with her as all viewers should ❤
Exactly 💯
Yup. She already was an apologist for him dislocating Danny's shoulder .
"I hate her right now"
Well you're using horror movie thinking of what she should do. She's not dealing with a horror movie, from her perspective, she's dealing with her husband of many years. She's not a last girl facing Jason. She's not even thinking of ghosts or evil spirits of the hotel.
The character development of a bullied wife too much for these two
You realize that this isn’t a documentary, right? Her performance portrays a terrified, helpless woman.
True. She just thinks her husband is losing his mind.
Yep, imagine if the Mr., Mrs, & family went to be the caretakers of a hotel and the Mr. started to act like that. He is her soul mate and supposed to protect the family. TBH, any man or woman who saw their significant other start acting that way would want to do everything they could to keep their family together (not believing what is happening), yet would be terrified and confused at the same time.
Personally, I think and believe that I would have lost my mind if I was Wendy.
I get you. lot of pricks reacting to videos so a lot of them are better just watched alone
The Shining genuinely terrifies me. Shelley Duvall’s performance always makes me a little teary-eyed because of how much trauma her character endures. You can tell Jack isn’t entirely stable from the get-go and she appears to walk on eggshells in an attempt to keep the peace. It’s the case of an emotionally abused woman who then has to reckon with the fact that the abuse is now turning into something physical, causing her to have an emotional breakdown.
And she , the actress, endured trauma as well from Kubrick during the making of the film. He told the crew not to help her when she'd get over exhausted or upset from all the abuse. He made her do the bat scene like over 100x
The wife was really pissed at Wendy! lol I mean, the woman is in a haunted lodge with her psychotic husband, disturbed son, and ghosts. I can totally understand her frustration and panic in the situation.
Yeah she has no chill for people reacting realistically. LOL.
@@Forjugadname I agree
Completely agree. Hell, I was getting pissed at her for being pissed at Wendy. Not everyone is gonna be cool, calm and collected when all this kind of shit starts happening within a short time span. Nervous breakdowns are bound to happen.
@@bananaz572171 Exactly, when I can empathize with a character in a movie, it's usually because the actor is doing his or her job and Shelley Duvall was convincingly playing a timid, yet supportive wife and mother who got caught up in a crazy, supernatural disaster with insanity surrounding her. Wendy is literally the most relatable character in the movie. Unfortunately, I see it a lot where people tend to hate the characters who are believably terrified and who aren't the unrealistic, kickass heroes in horror movies. How does someone not feel anything towards a woman with a verbally abusive, alcoholic husband and a mother who spent the entire film being worried about and trying to protect her son?
@@drlee2 I mean, don't get me wrong, I'll still get pissy with characters that are actively being dumbass hell, but Wendy's reaction/response makes perfect sense for the situation.
The fact that she says Wendy is a pathetic character is absolutely mind boggling to me. The character was obviously mentally, verbally, and most likely physically abused by Jack probably throughout the entire relationship but yet she just stayed and tried to keep the peace and because she still loved him.
The reason why she was weeping the whole movie is pretty obvious... she hadn't yet accepted the fact that Jack was obviously insane from the get go and when she finally realized it its understandable for her to have a mental breakdown.....on top of that the fact that she realizes her own husband who she's been with for probably what 10 15 years now is now trying to murder her and their kid.... on top of that.... the hotel evil forces were waking up.... she had do so much going on in her head trying to accept that Jack was crazy that she hadnt even thought of the fact about all the evil spirits that embodied the hotel.... its a completely realistic portryal of a broken battered down sweet caring women... the fact that this lady reactor acts like Wendy's reaction to the whole thing was pathetic makes no sense to me as most people in real life would have the same emotions as Wendy throughout the film.... no one is just going to be cool,calm, and collected In a situation like this and if she acts like she would be than that's just crazy talk...
Shelley Duvall is the MVP of this film. None of it works without her reactions, none of it. She has the hardest job of seeming outwardly weak and utterly terrified while beating Jack every time he comes after her. The whole cast is great but she's always what I think of first when I think of TS.
Can you believe she was nominated for a Razzie for this performance? So was Kubrick for directing.
I had the pleasure of meeting Scatman Crothers when I worked at a golf course in So Cal when I was about 15. He brought out his ukulele and played a couple of songs. Very memorial moment in my life. He was such a kind man.
The Mrs. hating on her character not withstanding, I thought Shelley Duvall was terrific in this film. Kubrick really did a number on her during production per his reputation. Dr.Sleep is a worthy sequel.
I agree. She gave the most convincing performance of someone who's scared shitless I've ever seen. That scene where she realizes that her husband has completely lost his mind is amazing.
Jack Nicholson said that Shelley Duvall was so stressed out from working with Kubrick that she was losing weight and her hair was falling out
@Trouble in Woodsboro Agreed. Duvall has had mental issues ever since not only because of this film but just in general and quit acting because of it years later.
@@alucard624 did she ever say that? How do we know that's the reason she quit acting, i didnt know that
@Trouble in Woodsboro Kubrick was known to be a complete asshole to his actors and film crew for most of his career, but what we got were masterpiece films because of his abuse, which is crazy.
You have misguided and unfair expectations of Wendy. Her natural state is being passive and loyal to her husband. She's not going to all of a sudden turn into Wonder Woman.
plus, throughout the whole movie there are dozens of hints and nods to jack being an abusive husband/father long before they went to the hotel.... victims of abuse don't usually tend get stronger the longer the abuse lasts
Right? Such a bummer that her characters nature on top of the established relationship she already had with Jack isn’t taken into consideration when trying to understand Wendy’s fear and confusions
Wendy may have seemed weak but she was really the one who was managing the hotel the entire time, she was even making sure to have contact with the outside world. All Jack was doing was writing his book and getting involved with a ghost house.
Kubrick infamously 'brutally' directed the actress who played Wendy deliberately to the extent that she was on the verge of a breakdown, asking for hundreds of takes, so he could get an 'authentic' performance of her coming apart emotionaly. That wouldnt fly these days.
It does fly these days. Directors still do this. Perhaps to differing extents, but they still do it.
Kubrick was a hard ass on almost everybody. He was one of a kind
@@MST3Killa You dont have director that can do it , both Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick are history , you cant throw birds on your main actress as Hitchcock did to Tippi Hedren , who also had nervous breakdown on scene , you would get sued for animal cruelty and insurance company would have a word or two to say .
@@pete_lind cool. I work in film and have done so for a decade. It happens still.
I'm pretty sure that Take #200 was pretty much the same as Take #12.
A freaking masterpiece. King himself didn't like Kubrick's take on his book, but this film is overwhelmingly terrifying. The loneliness, the isolation, the vast space... it's a lot to take.
th-cam.com/video/wRr_0W-9hWg/w-d-xo.html Check out the Wendy Theory. The video makes a good case that Wendy is actually crazy and hallucinates alot of what we are shown.
@@elskeletor3566 BUT whether it's the 'Wendy Theory', the 'Kool-Aid Theory', the 'Indian Genocide Theory', the 'Nixon/Gold Standard', the 'Jack's Novel Theory', it's NOT the feckin' 'Indian Burial Ground' theory, which is soooooo effin' lame.
Hats off to Kubrick for ditching that BS and coming up with a movie that is so much more fascinating, than that tedious IBG crapola that King keeps churning out.
(There's another theory: The only thing more clichéd than IBG is "Come on, men! We'll head 'em off at the pass")
Actually, the stooopidest theory about this movie is that it's Kubrick's confession to the World that HE faked the Moon Landings in Pinewood Studies. Pretty damn dumb - but STILL more credible and creatively interesting than IBG.
He objected to Nicholson 's casting. He looks crazy from the beginning, I see his point.
It could also be that all we saw in the movie once they are in the hotel is Jack' s writing his novel.
@CJ P. yeah I didn't like the 90's mini-series even though it was more loyal to the book... the family was too 'perfect', the jump-scares were not scary. Kubrick is a genius.
Shelly Duvall's performance was so GOOD in this!! It's an absolute travesty that she didn't get an Oscar for it. Just look at your reaction to her! She went through hell for it too.
Her acting was helped by Kubrick's perfectionism. He would have her do dozens of takes.
IF I remember correctly from watching a "making of..." of this movie, Shelly Duvall was also literally losing hair because of her nervous condition that Kubrick put her through - he basically treated her like $hit. She did not do very many movies after this one because of her experiences with Kubrick.
@@jamesbednar8625 -- It's true.
@@red-stapler574 i wouldn't use the term helped. He traumatized her to get what he wanted. She quit acting soon after. Let's not legitimize torturing someone to make them "act good". Many other actresses gave much better performances in other films without having to be practically sent to the mental ward after. What she went through was not normal and should not be celebrated. Kubrick was an ass.
@@jeffk.9075 you are correct. I should have said "helped".
The scene in the crimson bathroom is the most chilling horror sequence in movie history - and not a drop of blood shed. The English actor who played Delbert Grady, Philip Stone, was truly sinister.
21:07 I think by an outside party he means Dick trying to interfere at the hotel. Because the Overlook not only has ghosts in it but the hotel itself is a living thing as well trying to escape using Danny's shining and it wanted to get Jack to kill Danny so it could absorb it.
33:13 Jack features among the guests at the 1921 Overlook Hotel July 4th Ball
Mrs Carey Mulligan: *surprised pikachu face*
The stuff that Grady spilled all over Jack is called Advocaat:
Advocaat is a traditional Dutch alcoholic beverage made from eggs, sugar, and brandy.
Excellent Tony! It sounds a bit like eggnog.
I get that Stephen King (one of my favorite writers of all time btw) doesn’t like it and I get that liberties were taken, but for me this is one of very few instances where I think the movie simplifies and improves on the book version. Idk, it could just be Jack’s energy that just carries this film, but I love it. The little actor that played Danny was phenomenal too, and I also really like the portrayal of Wendy, I think it’s somewhat realistic to how a more mousy but sweet hearted person might react in that situation.
I love the book and the movie but I don’t find one better then the other - they are just different.
I liked the book and the movie, but honestly I thought the book was scarier.
There is a lot in the book that won't translate to a movie. For instance, the scrapbook thing, his relationship with the part owner of the hotel, Jack and Wendy's relationships with their parents...all that stuff enriches a reading experience but would not make for a good viewing experience.
Respectfully I disagree regarding Nicholsons 'energy'. He is insane from his very first appearance and the feeble cracks like "Wendy, I'm home" totally take away any menace whatsoever and turn him into Wile. E Coyote to me.
Checkout the Wendy Theory th-cam.com/video/wRr_0W-9hWg/w-d-xo.html video.
timberline lodge east of portland oregon is the outside of the overlook hotel, also the part of the oregon state hospital where one flew over the cookoo's nest was remodeled sometime in the last 20 years(i haven't lived in salem in 20 years)
Wow - I've never seen such a cruel reaction to Wendy's character. That poor woman was put through hell to make this movie. That swinging bat scene was shot 127 times. Her exhaustion was REAL. And that I hear was just the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah,she irked my soul with the complaining. I didn't think wendy was useless. I would love to see some of these ppl who expect wonder woman in scary situations,go up against some crazy,scary stuff,and see how useful they'd be.
@@shellylibra1413 it's feminism out of control tbh. When a man goes crazy with axe in hand, i'm sure this is an accurate portrayal. Take it easy ❤
Yes, Kubrick basically tortured Shelley Duvall to *make* her exhausted, from what I hear also didn't warn her about the ax/door scene, all just to get the "most authentic" reactions
@@richardd3367 I heard this as well - completely sadistic. Poor woman.
Exactly, no heart or sympathy at all. Shame Mrs.!
No clue how it started but when I was a child me and my grandmother would watch this movie once every year. She hated horror movies, and I loved them. This is the only horror movie, other than Cabin in the Woods (which she dragged ME to), that she likes. I remember curling up in the bed with her and eating popcorn and a BLT. This was our sort of Christmas movie, since we'd watch it either in October or December. Good times.
I had the same kind of grandmother experience but with The Golden Girls. I would go to her house every Saturday as a kid and that was our thing. Awesome share
Was she hot?
@@mikemath9508 was she a gilf?
Delbert Grady she would make us get in the stove to clean it, then close the door. I loved her!
Kubrick's assistant typed all the "all work and no play" pages. She also typed them in different languages for different countries the movie was released in.
There’s footage of Kubrick typing too
"Advocaat or advocatenborrel is a traditional Dutch alcoholic beverage made from eggs, sugar, and brandy. The rich and creamy drink has a smooth, custard-like consistency. The typical alcohol content is generally between 14% and 20%"
My dad loved the stuff.
Sounds delicious. I should pick up a bottle of it sometime
So Kubrick made EVERYONE be rude, mean and ignore Shelly Duvall the whole time of filming. Just to help keep her a wreck through out the movie. She was also sick through out filming and was rumored to have cried for hours due to the mistreating. Thus helping her kok exhausted and a mess.
"helping" her by aggravating and exacerbating her bpd..... what a class act of a man 😧
@@stefanforrer2573 oh I agree. Helping her were his words. It is horrible. I grew up watching her on Faerie Tape Theater, well pretty much anything 80's of hers I've seen. It is sad to her how it truly effected her. You can TH-cam the behind the scenes of the movie and see some of it. The way they would ignore her if she asked for something or they would leave her out when serving food.
She actually suffered stress related hair loss.
Dick Hallorann went into 237 and had a encounter with the permanent resident that is why he warned Danny to stay out. The room was dangerous for anyone who has the shining. The malevolent spirit of Mrs. Massey haunts the room waiting for guests. This was not mentioned in the movie.
8:25 - lol - seriously though, can you imagine how hard it would be to actually maintain that hedge maze? So many workers in there trimming everything back, whippersnipping all the grass, finding their way out of it, etc.
Definitely watch Dr. Sleep. Try to find the director's cut as it makes it a bit easier to follow in spots.
Absolutely. Great follow-up (I like it even better than The Shining).
Dr. Sleep was an excellent and proper sequel!
Doctor sleep is a far better movie than shinning
The exteriors of the Overlook Hotel were shot at the Timberline Lodge at the base of Mt. Hood in Oregon.. The interiors were both based on and shot at the Stanley Hotel in Colorado.. (The soundstage sets were all patterned after the interiors of the Stanley..) -- I don't know where you folks live, but a trip to either location is well worth it...
People act like Wendy is so weak when she literally drags jack through the hotel and locks him in the food closet all by herself after having gone through extreme mental stress and exhaustion.
Not physically.
25:32 "It's Grady, Mr Torrance. Delbert Grady."
Mrs Carey Mulligan: "BEEEEEEEEEEEPP"
lmao
So people hate Wendy in this film but I literally love her, I think her reaction suit her passive character quiet well.
I dont hate her myself but I think a lot of people just want to be Assholes
9:10 Funny you should say. In the book, he finds a bunch of receipts and stories about the place that he does start writing about the hotel.
Love this one. My brother ( rather adventurous ), decided to stay at the location hotel. Went to go to sleep, but it was so much in his head that he left. Went back the next morning to check out.
At 19:20 the drink is called Avocat. It's a Dutch custard alcoholic drink that consist of Brandy, Egg Yolks, Sugar or Honey, Vanilla, and Cream. It's very similar to Egg Nog.
The Simpsons did a great spoof of this movie, "That's odd, usually the blood gets off at the second floor"
In the old Johnny Carson late night show that is how the announcer introduced Johnny "Herrrrreeees Johnny." You young kids don't know nuttin.
my cousin who is the same age as I am asked me "Who is David Letterman? TH-cam keeps sending me his videos as recommendations???"
me: 🤨
but to be fair, Johnny Carson died 20 years ago...
🤠 The character you liked so much, Dick, was played by Scatman Crothers, an extremely talented musician, singer, actor from the mid 20th century who also did a lot of voice-overs and TV appearances on various shows. 👍
Remember him as Jazz in The Transformers animated series? 😃
@@doggystylez10 🤠 And Hong Kong Fooey in the 70's! That might be before your time, lol.
"Jazz to Moon base 2. Jazz to Moon base 2."
Hong Kong Fuey......#1 Super Guy ~
Also had a rough time with Kubrick till Jack Nickolson stepped in and told Kubrick to lay off.
FYI if you’re ever being attacked and you get one good shot in. Do not go for the groin. All it does is cause pain and doesn’t do anything to prevent the man from continuing to attack. If he has even a decent pain tolerance or definitely if the person is on a drug a groin shot won’t even slow them down. You have to do enough damage that they physically can no longer attack. Eyes-they can’t see. Throat-they can’t breathe. Knees-kick them in the wrong direction and they can’t walk. (Martial arts and self-defense instructor here.)
A normal regular person being presented with incomprehensibly and impossiblr horrors, as well as having to emotionally deal with your husband losing his mind and being intent on murdering you and your child in the most violent and evil ways . . . . can you say you would act rationally and pragmatically with a clear head? I don't think so. She played this very well.
Your annoyance with Wendy made your reaction outstanding 😂LOL
Doctor Sleep is by far my favourite horror movie from the past 15 years, easily. The performances in The Shining and so good. Say what you want about Wendy, Shelly's performance, being at the verge of a nervous breakdown for the whole third act is nothing short of amazing (we all know the stories about Kubrick and his "technique" with Shelly), but what ends up on screen is so raw.
19:39...Advocaat is a Dutch drink made with eggs, sugar and brandy. If you go to a party it's normally the only thing in the drinks cabinet that's left untouched. However if you add fizzy lemonade to it it becomes a Snowball and is delicious. 😋
Shelley Duvall wasn't acting, she was actually having a nervous breakdown after Kubrick push the issue....
FYI: In the book (but not mentioned in the film), it's clear that "the house" wants Jack to kill Danny because it wants to absorb Danny's power!
Stanley Kubrick essentially gave Shelley Duvall PTSD while feeling this movie. He later admitted to basically treating her like shit the entire time and having the true ignore her completely so that he could get that terrified performance over. When Jack was coming through the door with the ax she reportedly had no idea what was going to happen so it scared the shit out of her
* filming not feeling and crew not true damn speech to text. And the edit function is being dumb
19:14 - I did some research, and "Advoccat" is a traditional Dutch alcoholic beverage made from eggs, sugar, and brandy.
Absolutely love you guys.. You seem so genuine... Keep it going and I will support you where I can x
Make sure to watch the Director's Cut of Doctor Sleep when you get around to reacting to it. It's far superior!
Exactly, too much is cut out and trimmed in the theatrical version (character development, subplot details, even more Shining' references/call backs, etc). The director's cut is a much richer experience in my opinion...
I was just about to say the same thing.
Trippy, I never saw or even heard of a director's cut. I have to watch it myself.
@@phantompunk0072 - The Blu-Ray has both versions (theatrical and director's cut) of 'Doctor Sleep'...at least my copy does (I dunno about other copies out there).
I do have to say I’m disappointed in the reaction to Wendy. I honestly don’t get how you don’t appreciate the realism. You say Jack was “terrifying” but frustrated that the marginalized wife would find him terrifying.
You have to acknowledge the one advantage you have over Wendy: for her, Jack was just a more or less reasonable husband with alcohol problems; you see Jack Nicholson and know immediately he's going to be crazy.
The killing of Dick was just for the shock value, what a waste of a character (not happening in the novel). Talking the book: in the end, the hotel actually burns down.
Advocaat is an egg-based liqueur (think of a cream-liqueur with egg yolks instead of cream). You can drink it as a shot, use it as a topping on ice cream, spice up your coffee, bake a sponge cake with it or mix a cocktail (like a "Snowball": a shot of Advocaat filled up with lemon soda).
The other notable thing about Advocaat is that it was named for an avocado based liquor used by certain South/Central American tribes (a continuation of the Native American exploitation/genocide subtext) and, that during the age of European colonization, it was the drink of choice for sealing/toasting a legal contract. Advocaat means lawyer in Dutch. Jack said he would sell his soul for a lousy beer.
Good point. Plus, she's clearly deluded by Hollyweird's modern girl power myth. Woe-men NEVER act emotional at inappropriate times, obviously. And woe-men NEVER fall apart into hysterics and hyperventilation. Woe-men NEVER scream for help instead of actually being the help. These are clearly all just myths debunked by Hollyweird's version of reality. lol Look at police reports and emergency response reports and and real life circumstances. The true reality has nothing to do with girl-powah BS. Wendy play's a typical wyfe exactly how she would act in a violent life or death situation, then and today and tomorrow.
@Bryan Mack You forgot to spell it Woe-men.
@Bryan Mack So who exactly are you quoting, since you're using quotation marks?
Thanks for the info about Advocaat, never knew that.
17:17 He's trying to use The Shining to get help.
Sad fact: Shelley Duvall, who played Wendy, was emotionally abused to get a certain performance out of her by the director Stanley Kubrick. She is truly devastated throughout. It's heartbreaking when you see it in that light.
Why do you say "she never recovered" as if this is what broke her completely? She developed mental illness in later years but I don't see how it's even remotely related to her work with Kubrick. Kubrick was an asshole but she still praised him.
Here's a quote from an article:
"While Duvall admitted that Kubrick was unnecessarily hard on her, cruel and abusive during the shooting schedule, she also defended him by talking about how he perpetrated the same amount of abuse that had been imposed on him in the past. She never bore any ill will towards Kubrick because, apparently, he was “warm and friendly” towards Duvall behind the scenes and would spend hours conversing with her and Nicholson while the crew indignantly waited. He would ignore the crew’s earnest pleas of “Stanley, we have 60 people waiting” and ploughed on with his own vision."
@@evyatarhadar8867 I edited the comment because she went on to make other movies. I'm sure the abuse didn't help her.
th-cam.com/video/fYU5t620e_c/w-d-xo.html
In the book, there's no maze. Instead there's a topiary of animals which come to life in the climax. Dick Halloran is not killed, but escapes with Wendy and Danny. In the end, the hotel blows up from a faulty boiler. Those are the main differences I remember. A bunch of smaller ones too.
33:15, like Grady said, he's always been the caretaker. There have been theories that Jack died a long time ago, that he is in hell, being punished for his sins for what he done in his past life.
Favourite line: "Wendy. Darling. LIGHT of my LIFE."
Close second: "Here's Johnny!"
I also enjoy the way Jack mockingly says "As soon as possible?" Nicholson plays that whole confrontation terrifyingly well.
It felt like you had no idea what was being portrayed in the character of Wendy, not only was the character supposed to be weak and scared of a husband going slowly, murderously insane, but the actress, Shelly Duval, was driven to utter breaking point by a director who's sole intent was to break her. The base ball bat scene alone was done over 127 takes, the highest number of takes in any film according to the Guinness Book of World records. Duvall ended up with a hoarse throat, raw wounded hands and severe dehydration. So before you hate her character, at least educate yourself.
How is anyone watching a movie with no context supposed to know shit about it? Also 14 likes for this elitist dumb comment? Jesus, fix it
They just didn’t watch the movie Hell, even I never seen the movie and I wouldn’t comment this
I don't disagree I thought she was a good character but we need to remember this movie is old and women think different now. I could never imagine myself in that situation.
Nothing like the best vacation up there, Ah delightful!
You have to love how this place goes from "Mmm this could go wrong" slowly but surely into "RUN! RUN AWAY!"
Yes. I recommend that you watch Doctor Sleep. Ewan McGregor is great as a grown up Dan Torrence and the villian is a very talented actress as well.
And the girl who plays Abra is also phenomenal! She had great chemistry with McGregor
It also plays on the novel's theme that they possessed Jack to kill his son so the ghosts could feed off his power ("steam" in Doctor Sleep).
Yes, please!
Jack is a shortened nickname for John. That's why you'll hear people call JFK Jack Kennedy "here's Johnny!"
So you're telling me you would be in complete control of your emotions and know exactly what to do when this situation was happening to you? Come on...
Right. Maybe in her marriage she would be but not in Wendy’s shoes. Wendy had been tortured by that man a long time.
"They should just burn the hotel down."
In the book, the hotel explodes at the end.
Here's a fun little fact. The ending song, Midnight, the Stars and You was one of the songs my wife and I danced too at our wedding.
Sad fact: the guy who sang the song was killed in the Blitz.
@16:11 that was the longest stare! Lmao! You guys are so much fun to watch!
You did a great edit of this, especially during the bathtub scene, highlighting her reaction shot in relation to the scene, it was great! Very well presented! My favorite line, when the camera is on Scatman Crothers' face, she says "He's getting all shiny!" Ha! That's great! So is Jack-ciklson, lol.
The book is very different, and yet Kubrick totally retains the mood of the spooky hotel. There is no maze in the book. Instead there are these topiary animals that seem to move when your back is turned. Very spooky. Halloran doesn't get killed in the book, the three of them make an escape, while Jack blows up the hotel. There's not an axe, instead it's a croquet mallet. Tony appears to Danny in his head, as opposed to talking to his finger. There is a real creepy scrapbook that Jack Torrance finds and studies; it has clipping of all kinds of terrible things that happened at the Overlook. Wendy is blonde and the relationship between Jack and her is a little warmer earlier in the book.
Congratulations! In one week, you got through two of the most humiliating roles for an actress of the 80s: Isabella Rosellini in "Blue Velvet" and Shelley Duvall in "The Shining"! Both actresses suffered for doing those roles.
PS: Since you did "The Shining", we gotta to see her react to "Carrie"! The other great Stephen King adaptation of the late 70s! Also "Creepshow", the Stephen King-written, George Romero-directed horror-comedy anthology movie. I'm assuming the husband has seen it, but if he hasn't, even more reason to do a reaction to it! That one is a blast! Anyways, "Carrie" (1976) and "Creepshow" (1983), to go with your "Shining'!
Thanks for the fun vid!
Since you mentioned Carrie, I'll tag my comment to yours. Carrie has telekinesis. Danny in The Shining has telepathy and clairvoyance (knowing what's happening now in a different location) and/or precognition (knowing what will happen in the future). I think we see instances of both clairvoyance and precog.
Charlie in Firestarter has pyrokinesis and just a bit of precog/clairvoyance.
Fun fact, this movie was filmed almost entirely on a movie set. The whole lobby was a copy of the Ahwahnee Hotel in Yosemite. `Including the outdoor scenes running in the snow, which was actually Styrofoam.
I always find it funny how people all think they'd be Rambo if they ended up in a horror movie scenario, when they're safe in a theater or at home and maybe at worst have goosebumps. In real-life situations such as mass shootings, data shows that most people are killing neither running nor fighting back, but frozen to the spot, paralyzed by fear. Until you're actually in fear of your life, you can never know how you'll react.
Definitely watch Doctor Sleep. It's really a worthy follow-up. Mike Flanagan is a director to watch in the future.
Lolol. That "All work , no play" cut-in , though. Subscribed.
19:20
The stuff that gets spilt on him is Advocaat, a Dutch liqueur, it's basically an alcoholic custard.
23:03 lol that side long glance! Sadist😂!!! Such an epic scene. One of the best.
3:45 "...two little girls, I think about 8 and 10." and his name was CHARLES Grady. Remember those two details.
Whoa. You just blew my mind with this observation. As many times as I’ve watched the movie I never picked up on the comment on the daughters’ age differences. Details like this one make me love this movie even more. It truly gets better every time I watch it. What a masterpiece.
Keep your hand on one wall when you enter the maze and you're guaranteed to get out. Just takes longer.
"So, we should just burn down the hotel now, then?"
Funny you should say that because the hotel does burn down at the end of the original novel.
Now you need to watch Doctor Sleep!
The woman in the room is Rose the Hat. The main antagonist in Dr.Sleep. The sequel
25:53 "This f*ing Ghost can open doors" - So these ghosts are as smart as raptors. And Mrs. Movies is wearing a "Jurassic Park" shirt ... coincidence, or is she psychic?
Clever Girl....
I first saw this in 1980, I found it absolutely terrifying. Not because of the supernatural element but because Jack acted exactly like my dad. It was an incredibly violent childhood where we were afraid to come home from school everyday. We were convinced he was going to kill us and thus we dare not resist, tell anyone, call the cops. Anything would potentially bring more of his wrath on us. While Wendy was indeed weak, it was understandable. That level of trauma for years tends to program you on how to act. as a teen I had earned a brown belt in Tai Kwon Do, but could not even think about raising a hand against him. So, to me The Shining was so close to home that I found it, find it terrifying.
Fantastic acting, directing and script! I always absolutely loved the score as well. It's a classical piece from Bela Bartok.
Stanley Kubrick basically tortured Shelly Duvall on set to make her into a quivering wreck. He made her do the baseball bat scene over 100 times, he made the film crew make comments about her to make her upset and he mentally abused her to get her to how he wanted her to be on film. She has suffered for years after the film because of all this.
Apparently Stanley Kubrick made her eat on lunch times and beak times on her own and told the other actors not to interact to her as he wanted her isolated from everyone else to bring the absolute best from shelley duvalls role. Sadly she suffered mental illness due to this.
@@claudebaker1846 yes I heard this too
the wife‘s reaction to Wendy is telling more about her than she probably realizes…
What does it say about her?
@@themissingmile if you really want a sincere and in depth answer, I charge by the hour.
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?? I’m just asking what does it say about her.
"If you don't like a character in a film you're a bad person" is stupid logic.
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Well, I, for one, sought clarification from the OP. I didn’t jump at him. I asked a simple question which I genuinely wanted to know the answer to, and he sent me a snarky reply which gives him away really. I’m now inclined to believe that he formed negative impressions of the Mrs based on her unadulterated reaction to a movie character, and he wished to chide her. As you do.
You do know the comment section is public, right? You appear to be rather annoyed about her reaction based on the comments you’re leaving in other threads. So why pretend now? These comments tells us about who you are as a people too.
4:10 Cool addition of the special visual effects! Nice move!
"No beer no TV make Homer go something, something....".
"Jack Cicle-son." The Mister wins the internet today 🤣🤣🤣.
And all work and no play makes the Mister a dull reactor. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
16:13 That look....LOL
27:53, that's so cool that the camera follows the swing of the axe.
Willie: Now if you need ma help, use your shinning.
Bart: Don't you mean "Shining?"
Willie: SHHH! You want to get sued?
The Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror parody of The Shining.
I actually remember that episode! I haven't watched the Simpsons in over 15 years, but the Treehouse episodes were my favorite. Or when they had famous characters/actors.
“I’d let her choke me” it was at this moment that he knew; he’d sleep on the couch for a week.
My favorite one liner in the film is Here’s Johnny.
As for your thoughts about Wendy a lot of people know about fight or flight… it’s common knowledge; but many don’t know there are actually four possible options when placed in a traumatic situation: Fight, Flight, Fawn, and Freeze. The first two are self explanatory, and again common knowledge.
Fawn basically means that the traumatized person will try to befriend or appease their tormentor, please them in order to survive.
Freeze is represented in an Oscar worthy(though the academy disagreed) performance here by Shelley DuVall… freeze basically shuts down any instincts you have of self preservation… you become powerless, and weak, and small… in the hopes that your attacker will have pity and grant mercy. Alternatively to put it another way, freeze is becoming completely numb and dissociated from what’s happening to you or around you.
Mrs. movies seems FIRMLY in the Fight category, and that’s a perfectly valid trauma response… but Wendy’s is too, and Shelley went through absolute hell(which she never really recovered from) at Kubrick’s hands in order to “get the shot” and achieve his vision; by the end of filming she’d lost over 35 pounds, and was losing hair in chunks, and for years she said in interviews that she hated Stanley for what he’d done, even if it led to a masterful performance. I respect your reaction Mrs. Movies, and can understand that your own trauma responses differ from others, only disappointment is I wish people wouldn’t invalidate trauma responses that differ from their own because it’s so damaging. But as I said I still thoroughly enjoyed the reaction!
I remember the blood flooding from the elevators in movie trailers while watching other films in theater in 1980. Memories.....
You two are my favorite reactors on YT! Your reactions are hilarious especially to my favorite genre - horror. I haven't watched Dexter since it ended and am really loving watching it all over again and realizing how much I forgot took place. Keep up the great reactions!
In the book, part of the caretaker’s duty was to drain the pressure from the boiler in the basement. Since this wasn’t done for a few days as the caretaker was preoccupied with his homicidal rage, the boiler explodes and the hotel burns down. As it burns, something dark flies away, implying that the Overlook Hotel was occupied by some sort of evil spectral entity.
Cowboy guy gauging the Missus' reactions with that subtle side glance is one of my new favorite things.
33:22 - The Hotel has collected him.
Can you imagine being chased by your husband with an axe. She would be so cool im sure.
“ I just don’t think she gonna stay that beautiful” 🤣🤣🤣
"Are you out of your f*cking mind?" is a line I like.
"ghost open doors" - this movie has gone through a mandala conversion -some scenes has been added and some removed -like then the ghost opened the door you actually saw him and open it -somewhere around 1992?-95 this scene were removed -maybe earlier -not shure
In the novel it makes it clear that the hotel is drawing power from the little boy. From his shining. The more power the hotel drew from the little boy the more physical manifestations it could produce.
A very important point indeed, which the film failed to portray, then again maybe Kubrick just didn't want to?
Good reaction. Ha! Just realized you guys are in Billings! I lived there back in the 90s. Loved it. Trying to get outta LA and get back to MT very soon. Cheers, guys.
Fun fact, Jack Nicholson was a firefighter before becoming an actor, so he knew how to break through a door with an axe.
Here’s Johnny I think gets lost, but isn’t random. It’s not only the old Tonight Show (with Johnny Carson) intro; it’s Jack Torrence’s name. Maybe it’s a generational thing, but it seems people have almost universally forgotten that the name “Jack” is a nickname for “John” - like ‘Jack’ Kennedy. In fact, Jack Nicholson’s name is ‘John Joseph Nicholson’.