Another ACE for Ben is hinted at, I think, in the movies. When Leia and Han talk in The Force Awakens, Leia says, "No matter how much we fought, I always hated watching you leave." So, when Ben was a child, he was in a home where his parents constantly fought, and his father repeatedly abandoned him when the fighting grew to be too much. That's definitely an ACE, though not as extreme as Luke standing over him with an ignited lightsaber.
I thing you're pretty much spot on with this comment. BPD has a lot in common with complex PTSD, a result of repeated trauma over an extended period of time. Sounds like a recipe for BPD, frankly :/
That idea occurred to me too. That both Anakin and Ben were taken/sent to live away from the only love, support and unconditional acceptance they had ever known, knowing they would probably never see them again. How hard would it have been to have the Jedi simply take Anakin's mother along for the trip? (You think Watto would have stood up to the entire Jedi council?) Or for Leia to accompany Ben on his training journey with Luke? Luke also had to leave his family behind, but he was already a man when he did, and was itching to go anyway. And his caregivers were killed rather than letting him go by choice. And until his caregivers were killed, they had been adamant that he stay with them because delusions of grandeur were what had landed Luke in their care to begin with and they were trying to protect him from going down the same path. So, no wonder Luke ended up okay. He was loved. He had caregivers literally dying to keep him safe (including Obi Wan). It was a chance to break the cycle, but they went and did the same thing with Ben as they'd done with Anakin. Turns out Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru were actually more responsible caregivers and better decision-makers than the entire Jedi council.
@@sirjazzaroth the lies and manipulation endemic in Jedi culture can't help here. A group cant go around hand-waving everyone outside to get their way and treat everyone inside with respect and transparency. We see this with Obi Wan and Luke's relationship but that was too brief to seriously damage Luke who had grown up in a simple and a apparently caring environment where everyone seemed to freely speak their mind without fear of emotionally punishing consequences.
Also, for Ben, it was made so much worse when the caregiver he was sent to train with was considering giving up and killing him. This is Luke, the guy who refused to kill Vader because he believed he could still be saved. And he DID save Anakin in the end. It's not like he had previously tried to save someone and failed. He succeeded! Why would he then turn and give up on Ben because he sensed the dark side starting to set in? It made no sense. Han actually had a genuine try to break through, but it obviously needed more time to take effect.
Yeah it is too complicated a plotline - yes Luke had his arc in the OT, but now *other stuff* has happened inbetween. He's now given up on seeing the best in people. I mean it's not unlike reality, but it needs to be properly explained if you're gonna do that.
Would BPD account for his such abrupt heel turn in ROTS? I mean he went from helping Palpatine to save Padme to murdering dozens of children in the blink of an eye. That is a pretty big step to take and one you can't really come back from.
I have BPD, & I recognise a lot of the traits in Kylo Ren. I feel like Ren is one of the better, more accurate representations of BPD, as he's sympathetic & not beyond redemption.
As one with BPD I agree that Ben Solo/Kylo Ren has BPD. Look at the split he has. Ben/Kylo. In the last movie in the saga we see him return to the light. He loves Rey and gives his life to her. He is torn, conflicted and Adam Driver makes a great job. I made DBT therapy. Sorry that it was impossible in galaxy far far away.
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Great video, I totally agree! To add, it’s inferred throughout the films that Leia and Han weren’t always present as parents and experienced marital problems themselves, so I strongly believe that Ben likely would have had attachment issues from an early age, and a lack of a model of healthy relationships in childhood. Then his parents basically abandoned him to live with his uncle because they found his power “scary”. Adverse childhood experiences were his whole life!
Many of the studies I've come across during research suggest that discord in the family systems is part of what contributes to borderline's intense need for attachment. Awesome analysis Kate!
The fact that his grandfather CLEARLY had the same disorder is very telling. Not that it’s generic, but trauma itself can seem to be passed family member to family member. Hurt people hurt people even when they don’t realize it.
Honestly, I totally see your point. I think the issue is that the Jedi were an order based on the concept of control. You had frickin' space wizards, with the power to reach and control minds. To those without such abilities, those would be mind shattering terrifying. The Jedi Code was put forth as a way of control of such power, to focus it in a way that allows the vast majority of the "have nots" to exist in a illusion of safety. The presumption would be that you could find/condition enough Force users in this to keep a level of status quo, with the outliers being villifed/removed in a way that would neutralize the greater threat. However, the growth of the Skywalker clan was such an aberration, that it blew past the normally acceptable forms/safeguards of control, and overcame the existing system.
I’ve ALWAYS related to Anakin Skywalker as a teen as well as Kylo Ren as a young adult more than any other fictional character. Low and behold I was recently diagnosed with BPD. Something I’ve had since I was around 13. This all makes so much sense. I have all 9 symptoms.
So I think his issue was more that he was abused by the dark side of the force from day 1. I mean he is the youngest Skywalker and extremely connected to the force what with the dyad. Remember the scene in Rise of the Skywalker when Palpatine said “my boy , I have been every voice inside your head” this boy isnt a victim of his own mental health he is a victim of grooming by a creepy old dude who wanted to use him. In the end we can see his struggle and his internal knowledge of this when he in fact decides and states often with “its time to let old things die”. Han and Leia left him at a vulnerable age, Luke betrayed him, Snoke pretended to be a mentor and then the only voice he thought was on his side - Vader- turned out to be Palpatine. I did enjoy how you described his reaction to all of the sudden hating Rey. Tbh to me star wars is now how one abusive man (Palpatine) screwed over 3 generations of one family. Also anyone else think that the movies are setting us up for a return of Ben?
Now with the release of TRoS looks like Ben also had Schizophrenia since childhood and was never properly treated and diagnosed. It looks like his upbringing in negligence and abuse has twisted his personality to such a degree he has no idea who he is. Also rewatching the ST I have noticed an utter lack of joy and happiness, and severe level of depression in Kylo Ren. He’s a tortured soul that’s really fucked up by his nurture and his life has been nothing but misery. This is a fantastic channel and I have subscribed 👍
Thanks for the feedback Nicholas. Yeah TRoS definitely through a wrench in my initial clinical presentation and I will be revisiting this character in the future. I will say people with BPD due tend to display psychotic features more than the general population. Stay tuned for a patient update!
@@WillariousTheTherapist Still you nailed the BPD part perfectly mate! Looks like poor Ben has even more mental problems than we'd expect! He has been a fascinating character from a psychological point of view and I can't wait to see more! Speak of which, I think John Wick will be a very interesting character to analyse, in a way he's also extremely angry but deal with it in an entirely different way! Thanks a lot man!
@@Nicholas_Chen_ Yeah... He would have schizophrenia if you omit the fact that Palpatine was putting images and voices in his head. You could do the same with Anakin if you omit Palpatine. But Palpatine is a real person that influences the world around him and acknowledged by other beings. He's not a figment, symbol, or made up figure.
"Utter lack of joy and happiness" seems to describe most Force-users, with the notable exception of Palpatine. And Palpatine only gets sadistic enjoyment from others' pain, which clearly isn't a sign of a well-balanced mind. The only other time I recall seeing a Jedi actually being happy was when Anakin was on Naboo with Padme, and that didn't end well at all.
@@raylampert1243 the Jedi are trained to repress their emotions, and the Sith draw power for negative emotions. Also, we mostly see the force being used during training or combat.
Ngl, this one hit me hard. I do DBT and psychs suspect I have BPD. That being said, the humour and the actual understanding has made me really happy with what's going on. Never even thought of Kylo Ren having anything like it. Goes to show, sometimes we can't see our flaws in others. I actually have a lot more respect for him now.
When I first watched Force Awakens and Last Jedi, I felt connected to Kylo. I felt like we were similar. Then, watching this and reading more about him, I’m feeling more and more personally attacked. I should get tested.
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I'd really like to see Vader himself psychoanalyzed, what kept him the completely* loyal enforcer to Sideous after his defeat on Mustafar? *He had a few little rebellious acts against the Emperor's will, but at the end of the day, he was still Sith Company Man.
I just discovered this channel, and I love it! You have a new subscriber. I would also love for you to do psychological analyses on some Shakespeare characters. Shakespeare has so many psychologically complex characters to explore. I would particularly want videos focusing on Iago from Othello and Hamlet.
This channel has saved/changed my life! As a person with mental illness, this channel (and especially this video) has helped where other psychiatrists have failed. Thank you 👍
I have BPD, I’m glad you enjoy the content as I do. But do not allow videos to self diagnose your mental health issues. You can fit your issues into many similar diagnostic criteria. If you truly believe you suffer with issues like this video I’d implore you to see a psychiatrist that you trust and go from there.
Luke lucked out, he was almost an adult when he left a loving and supportive family untainted by Jedi dogma. He a strong foundation to support the shaky religious precepts. Anakin and Ben were thrown in the proverbial deep end too young. The generations of Jedi before were thrown in even younger, and hadn't form much personality at all, and this could probably be "okay" if emotionally stunted.
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Kal-El was Clark Kent from the moment he landed in Kansas. He was raised to be Clark Kent. Clark Kent doesn't let his powers define him, not like Batman is defined by Bruce's trauma. Superman is the costume Kent wears so he can live the relatively normal life he grew up in and loved before he became a super hero. He could easily be Superman full time, but he doesn't because he enjoys his humanity too much. Pretending to be clumsier than he actually is and lying about his whereabouts for his 9 to 5 doesn't invalidate any of that. Superman doesn't approach and interact with his family as Superman, he does so as Clark Kent. He doesn't act like Superman to the superheroes who he trusts with his secret, nor with his wife. He's genuinely friendly, sincere, and humble. The times you'll see him portrayed as a condescending demigod playing dress up are when edgelords who trying to prove a point, like Zack Snyder and Frank Miller, write him.
@@notproductiveproductions3504 I absolutely hate kill bill for this. Superman was born and raised as a human living a human life he didn’t know he was an alien until his personality had already begun its solidification. He may have known he had powers but he called himself Clark Kent he doesn’t go to Martha and Jonathan Kent and go “hello male and female units of food providers from my infancy” he says “ hey mom and dad” he doesn’t see himself as superior, he sees himself as stronger. I see myself as stronger and smarter than some of the people around me, but I don’t view those weaker or less intelligent with disdain. I save that for Floridians. I view the people who are weaker as those who need me to lend a hand, I view those as less intelligent as those who need me to help them understand. And much the same way Superman simply protects his fellow humans who are weaker than he is, from those looking to violently enforce their will, from those with a reckless disregard for their safety when furthering their own ends, from those who view themselves as superior to the humans he belongs to, and from the denizens of Florida
I have to argue against your assessment of the Jedi's philosophy on emotion. In the first instance, Yoda is not stating, literally, that fear, anger and aggression are inherently evil. Instead, he's telling Luke that such emotions, if left unchecked, can and will fuel one's association with the Dark Side. Vader himself comments on this, stating, "You have controlled your fear. Now, release you anger. Only your hatred can destroy me." So, emotion is not evil or something to be done away with, as you suggest. Instead, it's something that must be controlled. This leads further into your misconception of the Jedi philosophy at large, and this is commonality I've seen on TH-cam. Jedi are not regular people. They are walking weapons of mass destruction who's emotional (in)stability can determine if they will be Guardians of Peace or Agents of Evil. What the Jedi teach with their control of emotion and emphasis on serenity is meant to provide them means to deal with temptation, no different than we see in religious institutions. Now, did the Jedi make mistakes with Anakin? Yes they did. But when you look at the grand picture, the Jedi's philosophy on emotion had a tremendous success rate, only undone by outside factors in every instances of one of their own falling. Hence why TLJ's depiction of Luke is horrendously incorrect. Luke through his own experiences, namely through saving his dad, recognized the mistakes of the Jedi and worked to improve upon them... at least, that's the version we got before Disney's takeover. If this had been a competently written Luke, Han and Leia, Ben Solo would never have fallen.
The connections made in this video between Kylo Ren's specific personality and the Dark Side in general bothered me for the same reasons. The Jedi and Sith are not inherently different in their nature, just in their ideals and philosophy with how one with ultra-super space powers should behave. The Jedi see their power as a dangerous responsibility that needs to be treated like a bomb that could go off at any time because they know power can corrupt, whereas the Sith see their power as a simple fact of nature that should be used to one's advantage. It is almost like a wolf choosing to be domesticated or wild. This is demonstrated by the many "grey" Jedi who have existed throughout the series... Kyle Katarn knows what I'm talking about, that guy figured out right where to sit on the spectrum to be effective. I do think Kylo Ren probably has BPD though lol
i have to strongly disagree with you here. the entire basis of jedi philosophy is that ALL emotions are BAD. (remember that love, happyness etc are also bad) the sith are the flipside of this as they embrace ALL emotions to the extream though this usually cristalises into the more volitile emotions of anger since going around with supercharged emotions all the time has a tendency to ruin everyones day. Both aproches are motionally crippeling to their practicioners and should be AVOIDED at all costs. instead giving them a normal upbringing and teaching them how to deal with their empotions (as well as some discipline and impulse controll) would be a good way to deal with the situation. and as a sidenote: any organisation that treats "kidnapping and brainwashing babys/little children" as the way to go needs to be stoped (hence burn down the jedi temple ^^)
@@drizzt7dourden7 Um, what? First of all, everything we've seen of the Jedi in the movies and supplementary material suggests that Jedi did and do exercise emotions such as fear, hope and happiness. For all the talk of blind adherence, they don't seem to be doing that. Hell, Anakin even states in AotC that the Jedi teach compassion as a strength, hence his statement that love is the greatest extension of this. Second, the Jedi *never* kidnapped children, nor even kept them from seeing their original families during and after training. They were always taken with permission from their family, and if you have such a problem with 'brainwashing' children, perhaps you should likewise take your complaints to our public education system. Now, I am perfectly willing to admit the Jedi Philosophy has a long list of flaws. Hence why the Sequels could've had Luke systematically improve upon it with his own brand... but no, we just need to burn everything down because the past must die!
@@heyitsvonage2768 "I'm no Jedi. I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and some questions." Though to be fair, Kyle did fall a few times in his career, but was able to come back from that with minimal damage, again thanks to Luke's philosophy.
@@Tracer_Krieg 1) "Anikan said it" is about the worst argument given which path he went down ^^ (especialy when it comes to a statement where he clearly is "bending" the rules) also "compassion" means to understand/realise someone ELSES emotions/emotional state and wanting to help them should they require it. 2) " There is no emotion, there is peace.
all that could have been avoided if Qui-gon had been grandmaster. But the man didn't give a shit about the council because the Jedi weren't the balance they thought they were.
I saw you mention you might make an updated video on Ben due to what happened with him in TROS, and if you’re still planning that then I’m very much looking forward to it. Something I’d be especially interested to possibly hear in the video, if you want of course, is what in TROS changed your perception and how you would’ve foreseen his character progressing based on your analysis in this video. Anyways, whether you do all this or not, I love your videos and keep up the great work.
An important thing; the idea of Radical Acceptance is actually pretty in-tune with how Jedi are supposed to be in their true form, from what I hear. They’re supposed to teach to accept things as they come. In fact, Anakin’s fall came from his want to control his fate. The Jedi gave him no guidance, making his mind double down on the idea. Luke’s training was also about accepting his dark side, not banishing it. By forgiving and trusting Vader, Luke gave Anakin unconditional love, warmth, and acceptance, something he’d been denied, also symbolic of Luke accepting and forgiving his own inner demons. In the EU, Luke’s Jedi Academy reformed Jedi philosophy to focus less on repression and more on psychological well-being. If only Ben could have grown up with that Luke, Luke as he was shown in previous canon would have made a pretty good therapist.
I rewatched the Original and Prequel trilogies lately, and it strikes me that Yoda displays a significant lack of empathy toward both Anakin and Luke. In Empire, when Luke senses his friends are in trouble and wants to rescue them, Yoda never says "I understand what you feel," or anything along those lines, just telling him that it's dangerous and he's not ready. It's even worse in RoTS when Anakin tells him he's worried about someone he loves dying. Yoda tells him some feel-good bs about everyone becoming part of the Force when they die, and then lectures him on not feeling bad about it because that leads to the dark side. It would be like telling someone that they shouldn't worry about their loved ones dying because they'll go to Heaven, but don't fear that or feel sad when it happens because that's how you go to Hell. Perhaps in the Star Wars universe it's true, but it doesn't help Anakin actually deal with the emotions he's having.
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This on is spot on! I always thought the idea that people are either light side or dark side was absurd. The point isn't to balance the universe by pitting good guys against bad guys. That's just a path to perpetual war, which is pretty much the bad guys winning no matter what. The point is to balance the light and dark WITHIN THE SELF! Th only film that even gets close to understanding this is Last Jedi.
Individuals with BPD also need responsibility training. Acceptance is key, but also healthy reform is necessary which is probably taught in the last two modules of DBT (hopefully). Giving in to the compulsive nature of BPD i.e. anger, fear, and impulsivity will only stoke it. I mention this because I don't see it talked about a lot, which I understand because it's heavily stigmatized. However, untreated BPD often wreaks havoc on its victims and it's important to discuss to lessen the stigma. If individuals take more responsibility for their actions it will more likely grow character and self-confidence, while decreasing the instability in the three main areas.
How about an analysis of Clint Eastwood's character in the film High Plains Drifter? The character is difficult to pin down. His motivations are not obvious at first take.
Interesting how you added Yoda in this. I believe it was Pop Culture Detective (famous for his thought provoking Born Sexy Yesterday movie) who had addressed Yoda as well in being the character who had given entirely wrong advice to Anakin in how to handle his emotions. This had a huge impact over time in the decissions Anakin made tht led him join the dark side. And if those Jedi ideas about emotion haven't changed since then it doesn't surprise me why Darth Vader's grandson walks a similar path as he once did. When will they learn?
His character is extremely interesting.... As a concept. I really wish the concept for these movies was better written, Because I want to like these movies and characters, I really do, But sadly it was gaven the wrong writers and directors with clashing views.
I’d love to hear your opinion on Ahsoka, a young Jedi who fought as (essentially) a special forces leader UNDER ANAKIN during a war, as a teenager, and seems to have grown up fine.
I enjoy your videos; I do. However my gripe is the term therapist being used by non- PsyD, PhD, or Psychiatrists, making videos, accurate or not. There are several other TH-cam users, noy you, as I dont know your education, experience, or credentials, but there are many others self identifying as therapists, even using the term ' licensed', when folks in their ilk are not licensed, but rather, just ' certified,' or " credentialed" therapists, typically used for marital therapists, family therapists, and the like. Licensed, is used exclusively for clinical psychologists, licensed clinical social workers, and psychiatrists ( medical doctors.) I commend you for your explanations, provided education and explanations, and provided explanations and that you don't mis-represent. Thank you for being honest. However, as I am sure you have seen, there are Marriage "Therapists" passing them self off as psych professionals, even using the tern " licensed," when they are certain licensed or credentialed with that title or education, especially when discussing pop-culture media such as this. Keep up the good, honest work.
Really interesting. I think JJ missed the boat on filling in more of Ben's back story though. But really brilliant on your part showing how screwed up the Jedi were. Could you do one like this this on Vulcan? By that I mean Spock's people
Not only is this funny, but extremely educational. Yeah, some emotions are considered "bad". They really aren't. It's what we choose to do with them. Thank you.
Great analysis. But Star Wars is not set to in the real world, several sources will point out the force is an external force that amplifies existing emotions. I would love to see an analysis of how psychology would deal with an measurable external Force altering human emotion.
Is there a diagnoses for Gollum, or what the ring causes in him? I mean his story is interesting, it's like he's an ex hobbit has an addiction to a ring of power. So maybe like a drug withdraw is what you take his symptoms as, and when he finally gets the drug back it's at the climax where he falls into lava.. poor guy.
Luke was always on the edge of stepping over into the dark side. That was the whole point of the cave scene on Dagobah. It was only his choices that kept him in the light and here he was tempted by darkness, thinking maybe it was light.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Every character is tempted by the dark but he overcame it later on in ep 6 and even if he didn't his choice still makes no sense. If he wasn't willing to kill Vader, a fullblown Sith Lord who had killed billions and tortured his friends, he wouldn't consider killing Ben, his nephew whom he knew well and who was only being tempted by the dark. If you think this is in character then you clearly don't know Luke at all. This isn't consistent with his character. It is like a person who wasn't willing to kill Hitler almost killing a delinquent teen
@@brucejedilee5290 the ones behind TLJ, especially Kathleen Kennedy, did this purposely. She admitted that they had drastically changed the character of Luke Skywalker because they believed that if they had made Luke the proper jedi that he was supposed to be then the attention of the audience would stolen by him. They wanted all the attention on their new characters, mainly Rey and Kylo Ren.
@@ssbwalker5144 That is just stupid, selfish and disrespectful to the character, the original trilogy, George Lucas and the fans. Also the reason was idiotic and shows they had no faith in their own characters memorablity. You could make Luke a badass mentor and still have the other characters be memeroble, less they didn't think they were. Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't take all the attention away from the original trilogy heroes, Gandalf didn't take away the attention from the rest of the fellowship and Dumbledore didn't take attention away from Harry and his friends
@@brucejedilee5290 You know, my main issue is not with Luke igniting his lightsaber, although I was disappointed, he only did that in a moment of instinct and weakness. And before he could turn off his lightsaber, it was already too late as Ben woke up and saw his uncle standing over him with his lightsaber ignited believing that what Snoke told him was true and Luke was truly going to kill him. The Luke that we saw in episode 6 also gave into his fear and anger momentarily during his fight with his Father when he threatened to turn his sister. It's just a theory but I think it may be possible that the dream he saw was being shown to Ben by Palpatine when he looked inside his nephew's mind and the darkness he sensed was actually Palpatine's which , in legends, was described as darkness beyond darkness, a black hole in the force. So his panic and momentary lapse of judgment would be justified. Also, keep in mind what Luke said . It could be possible that Palpatine was influencing Luke's mind as well. My MAIN issue, however, is that they made him such that he didn't even TRY to fix his mistake, he simply left and abandoned the galaxy to deal with a problem for which he feels responsible, and what's worse; he didn't even try to reach out to Leia instead he left her to deal with all the stress and burden herself. The Luke Skywalker we know wouldn't do that. Plus, his whole criticism of the jedi and his belief that it's all a failure and hubris did not even make sense in TLJ. I mean, we all understand his depression but how do the jedi fit into this equation ?
No wonder why i love and am fascinated by Ben Solo/kylo ren Cos i myself have borderline personality disorder. Hes one of the most interesting and profound characters in the saga
The more I think about it the more I believe that the teachings of the Jedi Order were developed by a person (or people) who believed that force users were a genetic plague on the galaxy that needed to be eliminated. No kids, no attachments, repression of emotions especially love of others, dangerous job, etc... I understand that teaching kids to control their emotions when they could possibly force choke a kid on the playground if they lose a game of kickball is pretty important, but the Jedi go way too far. They consider all strong emotions to be "bad". They turn children into emotionless dolls so of course some rebel and turn into emotion driven pleasure seekers. The whole Jedi Order is in serious need of wholesale changes to produce more mentally stable Jedi.
Quite quickly could see where this one was going and do not disagree one bit. Having a partner who quite likely was experiencing BPD (even their experiences with their upbringing are highly suggestive), you could really feel this one.
Could you do a diagnosis on the reverse-flash aka eobard thawne from the flash TV series and legends of tomorrow season 2 please? And a second request for the joker from Batman Killing Joke please?
While watching this the thought came to mind that is common in research regarding reincarnation where it is very common for a soul to remain with in groups most commonly in families where there is a gap period of a generation though sometimes more. Anyway skipping the above it is interesting to see the similarities between Anakin/Vader and Kylo.
I live with bpd, my ex wife compared me to kylo Ren... the name makes it easy, but also my best friend who's just getting into star wars often compares me to anakin
I love this analysis, especially the failure of the Jedi teachings to young children is so accurate that honestly, one of the thing I hated the most about the sequel trilogy, even more than all the obvious nonsense, the plotholes, the awful writing and the directing crisis, is that it didn't tackle that obvious problem right on: the Jedi continuously spawn or enforce the Sith by making young children detatch themselves from emotions and connections, which is highly unnatural, until they eventually still form some anyway and when something happen and they're faced with those emotions they never learn to manage and control because they were just told to avoid them, they lose themselves easily to the dark side. I hoped that the sequel trilogy directly unknowledged these flaws and didn't. It's not even like it would have been something completely new, hell, the Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic game series in the early 2000s tacked it head on and exposed those flaws and those are still to me some of the best stories Star Wars ever told. Luke Skywalker should have been the one to completely reform the Jedi, not another guy repeating the same mistakes of his predecessors.
I have BPD too and like a few others who have it have said, you can DEFFINATLEY see it in him! by the way, thanks for making a video that doesn't either make us out to be delicate little snowflakes or (worse and more common) the evil life destroyer. on top of that you pointed out that it can actually be managed. I do have a little Kylo living inside of me but... he lives INSIDE. if i put the effort in he is not gonna come out to play on the outside. also, DBT is the best thing ever!
Another ACE for Ben is hinted at, I think, in the movies. When Leia and Han talk in The Force Awakens, Leia says, "No matter how much we fought, I always hated watching you leave." So, when Ben was a child, he was in a home where his parents constantly fought, and his father repeatedly abandoned him when the fighting grew to be too much. That's definitely an ACE, though not as extreme as Luke standing over him with an ignited lightsaber.
I thing you're pretty much spot on with this comment. BPD has a lot in common with complex PTSD, a result of repeated trauma over an extended period of time. Sounds like a recipe for BPD, frankly :/
That idea occurred to me too. That both Anakin and Ben were taken/sent to live away from the only love, support and unconditional acceptance they had ever known, knowing they would probably never see them again. How hard would it have been to have the Jedi simply take Anakin's mother along for the trip? (You think Watto would have stood up to the entire Jedi council?) Or for Leia to accompany Ben on his training journey with Luke?
Luke also had to leave his family behind, but he was already a man when he did, and was itching to go anyway. And his caregivers were killed rather than letting him go by choice. And until his caregivers were killed, they had been adamant that he stay with them because delusions of grandeur were what had landed Luke in their care to begin with and they were trying to protect him from going down the same path. So, no wonder Luke ended up okay. He was loved. He had caregivers literally dying to keep him safe (including Obi Wan). It was a chance to break the cycle, but they went and did the same thing with Ben as they'd done with Anakin.
Turns out Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru were actually more responsible caregivers and better decision-makers than the entire Jedi council.
@@sirjazzaroth the lies and manipulation endemic in Jedi culture can't help here. A group cant go around hand-waving everyone outside to get their way and treat everyone inside with respect and transparency. We see this with Obi Wan and Luke's relationship but that was too brief to seriously damage Luke who had grown up in a simple and a apparently caring environment where everyone seemed to freely speak their mind without fear of emotionally punishing consequences.
Also, for Ben, it was made so much worse when the caregiver he was sent to train with was considering giving up and killing him. This is Luke, the guy who refused to kill Vader because he believed he could still be saved. And he DID save Anakin in the end. It's not like he had previously tried to save someone and failed. He succeeded! Why would he then turn and give up on Ben because he sensed the dark side starting to set in? It made no sense.
Han actually had a genuine try to break through, but it obviously needed more time to take effect.
Yeah it is too complicated a plotline - yes Luke had his arc in the OT, but now *other stuff* has happened inbetween. He's now given up on seeing the best in people. I mean it's not unlike reality, but it needs to be properly explained if you're gonna do that.
As someone with BPD, I knew where this was headed within the first 20 seconds because the introduction described me.
Same hahah thats why i love kylo
I feel like Anakin fits the BPD model even more.
Would BPD account for his such abrupt heel turn in ROTS? I mean he went from helping Palpatine to save Padme to murdering dozens of children in the blink of an eye. That is a pretty big step to take and one you can't really come back from.
fucking amen lmaooooo
I have BPD, & I recognise a lot of the traits in Kylo Ren. I feel like Ren is one of the better, more accurate representations of BPD, as he's sympathetic & not beyond redemption.
I felt he was more of an NPD, though NPD and BPD can be comorbid.
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@@pocus2740 It's hard to tell the two apart because by definition, someone with an identity disorder might be extremely arrogant.
Sucks that youtubers like this don’t get more recognition
Thank you for your kind words. Virtual hug coming your way. :)
As one with BPD I agree that Ben Solo/Kylo Ren has BPD. Look at the split he has. Ben/Kylo.
In the last movie in the saga we see him return to the light. He loves Rey and gives his life to her.
He is torn, conflicted and Adam Driver makes a great job.
I made DBT therapy. Sorry that it was impossible in galaxy far far away.
Willarious The Therapist lol thank you
@@WillariousTheTherapist Is there anything that psychology can describe without calling it a disorder? Not trolling. Genuinely curious.
thats why i subbed myself
If I may suggest, you should do one of these on Prince Zuko.
Watchmen's Rorschach would be cool too.
A few requests. Jigsaw (Saw), Peter Pan, Gollum, Harry Mason (Silent Hill), James Sunderland (Silent Hill 2), Heather Mason (Silent Hill 3), The Punisher, Jigsaw (The Punisher), Yoda, Amy Dunne, Norman Bates.
Great video, I totally agree! To add, it’s inferred throughout the films that Leia and Han weren’t always present as parents and experienced marital problems themselves, so I strongly believe that Ben likely would have had attachment issues from an early age, and a lack of a model of healthy relationships in childhood. Then his parents basically abandoned him to live with his uncle because they found his power “scary”. Adverse childhood experiences were his whole life!
Many of the studies I've come across during research suggest that discord in the family systems is part of what contributes to borderline's intense need for attachment. Awesome analysis Kate!
God, and then he ends up dying dealing with another attachment of his - the Emperor. Failed and messed around by everyone 'til the end.
The fact that his grandfather CLEARLY had the same disorder is very telling. Not that it’s generic, but trauma itself can seem to be passed family member to family member. Hurt people hurt people even when they don’t realize it.
As someone with bpd who was raised on Star Wars, this was extremely helpful for me
Honestly, I totally see your point. I think the issue is that the Jedi were an order based on the concept of control. You had frickin' space wizards, with the power to reach and control minds. To those without such abilities, those would be mind shattering terrifying. The Jedi Code was put forth as a way of control of such power, to focus it in a way that allows the vast majority of the "have nots" to exist in a illusion of safety. The presumption would be that you could find/condition enough Force users in this to keep a level of status quo, with the outliers being villifed/removed in a way that would neutralize the greater threat. However, the growth of the Skywalker clan was such an aberration, that it blew past the normally acceptable forms/safeguards of control, and overcame the existing system.
I’ve ALWAYS related to Anakin Skywalker as a teen as well as Kylo Ren as a young adult more than any other fictional character. Low and behold I was recently diagnosed with BPD. Something I’ve had since I was around 13. This all makes so much sense. I have all 9 symptoms.
This is the best video I’ve seen on Kylo.
Same.
So I think his issue was more that he was abused by the dark side of the force from day 1. I mean he is the youngest Skywalker and extremely connected to the force what with the dyad. Remember the scene in Rise of the Skywalker when Palpatine said “my boy , I have been every voice inside your head” this boy isnt a victim of his own mental health he is a victim of grooming by a creepy old dude who wanted to use him. In the end we can see his struggle and his internal knowledge of this when he in fact decides and states often with “its time to let old things die”. Han and Leia left him at a vulnerable age, Luke betrayed him, Snoke pretended to be a mentor and then the only voice he thought was on his side - Vader- turned out to be Palpatine.
I did enjoy how you described his reaction to all of the sudden hating Rey.
Tbh to me star wars is now how one abusive man (Palpatine) screwed over 3 generations of one family.
Also anyone else think that the movies are setting us up for a return of Ben?
Now with the release of TRoS looks like Ben also had Schizophrenia since childhood and was never properly treated and diagnosed. It looks like his upbringing in negligence and abuse has twisted his personality to such a degree he has no idea who he is. Also rewatching the ST I have noticed an utter lack of joy and happiness, and severe level of depression in Kylo Ren. He’s a tortured soul that’s really fucked up by his nurture and his life has been nothing but misery. This is a fantastic channel and I have subscribed 👍
Thanks for the feedback Nicholas. Yeah TRoS definitely through a wrench in my initial clinical presentation and I will be revisiting this character in the future. I will say people with BPD due tend to display psychotic features more than the general population. Stay tuned for a patient update!
@@WillariousTheTherapist Still you nailed the BPD part perfectly mate! Looks like poor Ben has even more mental problems than we'd expect! He has been a fascinating character from a psychological point of view and I can't wait to see more! Speak of which, I think John Wick will be a very interesting character to analyse, in a way he's also extremely angry but deal with it in an entirely different way! Thanks a lot man!
@@Nicholas_Chen_ Yeah... He would have schizophrenia if you omit the fact that Palpatine was putting images and voices in his head.
You could do the same with Anakin if you omit Palpatine. But Palpatine is a real person that influences the world around him and acknowledged by other beings. He's not a figment, symbol, or made up figure.
"Utter lack of joy and happiness" seems to describe most Force-users, with the notable exception of Palpatine. And Palpatine only gets sadistic enjoyment from others' pain, which clearly isn't a sign of a well-balanced mind.
The only other time I recall seeing a Jedi actually being happy was when Anakin was on Naboo with Padme, and that didn't end well at all.
@@raylampert1243 the Jedi are trained to repress their emotions, and the Sith draw power for negative emotions. Also, we mostly see the force being used during training or combat.
Ngl, this one hit me hard. I do DBT and psychs suspect I have BPD. That being said, the humour and the actual understanding has made me really happy with what's going on. Never even thought of Kylo Ren having anything like it. Goes to show, sometimes we can't see our flaws in others. I actually have a lot more respect for him now.
I love this you use actual science to understand writing adding depth to the work depth the writers perhaps didn't know they were writing.
When I first watched Force Awakens and Last Jedi, I felt connected to Kylo. I felt like we were similar.
Then, watching this and reading more about him, I’m feeling more and more personally attacked.
I should get tested.
You should analyze Jay Gatsby (The Great Gatsby) and Holden Caulfield (The Catcher in the Rye)
I thoroughly enjoy this series, please continue to post interesting content
Would you like to get in touch about my channel’s (not the one I’m commenting from) new informational series?
Thanks for the feedback Chase! I would be interested in hearing more about your channel. What is your content theme?
We do podcasts, comedy, and we’re starting to do new things like informational videos here soon. The channel name is Reality Corporation if you’d like to check it out !
I'd really like to see Vader himself psychoanalyzed, what kept him the completely* loyal enforcer to Sideous after his defeat on Mustafar?
*He had a few little rebellious acts against the Emperor's will, but at the end of the day, he was still Sith Company Man.
I just discovered this channel, and I love it! You have a new subscriber.
I would also love for you to do psychological analyses on some Shakespeare characters. Shakespeare has so many psychologically complex characters to explore. I would particularly want videos focusing on Iago from Othello and Hamlet.
I think I have found my new favourite channel
Kylo Ren had a promising corporate career cut short by his temper and daddy issues omg I literally loled
This channel has saved/changed my life!
As a person with mental illness, this channel (and especially this video) has helped where other psychiatrists have failed.
Thank you 👍
I have BPD, I’m glad you enjoy the content as I do. But do not allow videos to self diagnose your mental health issues. You can fit your issues into many similar diagnostic criteria. If you truly believe you suffer with issues like this video I’d implore you to see a psychiatrist that you trust and go from there.
Luke lucked out, he was almost an adult when he left a loving and supportive family untainted by Jedi dogma. He a strong foundation to support the shaky religious precepts. Anakin and Ben were thrown in the proverbial deep end too young. The generations of Jedi before were thrown in even younger, and hadn't form much personality at all, and this could probably be "okay" if emotionally stunted.
Great channel, man! Those videos on TDK Joker and Joaquin Phoenix's Joker also blew me away!
Go the other way and analyze Captain Steve Rogers or Clark Kent. Not Captain America or Superman, but those men.
Clark Kent is Superman’s mask, not the other way around
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Kal-El was Clark Kent from the moment he landed in Kansas. He was raised to be Clark Kent. Clark Kent doesn't let his powers define him, not like Batman is defined by Bruce's trauma. Superman is the costume Kent wears so he can live the relatively normal life he grew up in and loved before he became a super hero. He could easily be Superman full time, but he doesn't because he enjoys his humanity too much. Pretending to be clumsier than he actually is and lying about his whereabouts for his 9 to 5 doesn't invalidate any of that. Superman doesn't approach and interact with his family as Superman, he does so as Clark Kent. He doesn't act like Superman to the superheroes who he trusts with his secret, nor with his wife. He's genuinely friendly, sincere, and humble. The times you'll see him portrayed as a condescending demigod playing dress up are when edgelords who trying to prove a point, like Zack Snyder and Frank Miller, write him.
@@notproductiveproductions3504 I absolutely hate kill bill for this.
Superman was born and raised as a human living a human life he didn’t know he was an alien until his personality had already begun its solidification. He may have known he had powers but he called himself Clark Kent he doesn’t go to Martha and Jonathan Kent and go “hello male and female units of food providers from my infancy” he says “ hey mom and dad” he doesn’t see himself as superior, he sees himself as stronger. I see myself as stronger and smarter than some of the people around me, but I don’t view those weaker or less intelligent with disdain. I save that for Floridians.
I view the people who are weaker as those who need me to lend a hand, I view those as less intelligent as those who need me to help them understand.
And much the same way Superman simply protects his fellow humans who are weaker than he is, from those looking to violently enforce their will, from those with a reckless disregard for their safety when furthering their own ends, from those who view themselves as superior to the humans he belongs to, and from the denizens of Florida
8:50 That right there is the body of a Marine!
Is there a chance you can cover Rey Palpatine?
I have to argue against your assessment of the Jedi's philosophy on emotion. In the first instance, Yoda is not stating, literally, that fear, anger and aggression are inherently evil. Instead, he's telling Luke that such emotions, if left unchecked, can and will fuel one's association with the Dark Side. Vader himself comments on this, stating, "You have controlled your fear. Now, release you anger. Only your hatred can destroy me."
So, emotion is not evil or something to be done away with, as you suggest. Instead, it's something that must be controlled.
This leads further into your misconception of the Jedi philosophy at large, and this is commonality I've seen on TH-cam. Jedi are not regular people. They are walking weapons of mass destruction who's emotional (in)stability can determine if they will be Guardians of Peace or Agents of Evil. What the Jedi teach with their control of emotion and emphasis on serenity is meant to provide them means to deal with temptation, no different than we see in religious institutions.
Now, did the Jedi make mistakes with Anakin? Yes they did. But when you look at the grand picture, the Jedi's philosophy on emotion had a tremendous success rate, only undone by outside factors in every instances of one of their own falling.
Hence why TLJ's depiction of Luke is horrendously incorrect. Luke through his own experiences, namely through saving his dad, recognized the mistakes of the Jedi and worked to improve upon them... at least, that's the version we got before Disney's takeover. If this had been a competently written Luke, Han and Leia, Ben Solo would never have fallen.
The connections made in this video between Kylo Ren's specific personality and the Dark Side in general bothered me for the same reasons. The Jedi and Sith are not inherently different in their nature, just in their ideals and philosophy with how one with ultra-super space powers should behave. The Jedi see their power as a dangerous responsibility that needs to be treated like a bomb that could go off at any time because they know power can corrupt, whereas the Sith see their power as a simple fact of nature that should be used to one's advantage. It is almost like a wolf choosing to be domesticated or wild. This is demonstrated by the many "grey" Jedi who have existed throughout the series... Kyle Katarn knows what I'm talking about, that guy figured out right where to sit on the spectrum to be effective.
I do think Kylo Ren probably has BPD though lol
i have to strongly disagree with you here.
the entire basis of jedi philosophy is that ALL emotions are BAD. (remember that love, happyness etc are also bad)
the sith are the flipside of this as they embrace ALL emotions to the extream though this usually cristalises into the more volitile emotions of anger since going around with supercharged emotions all the time has a tendency to ruin everyones day.
Both aproches are motionally crippeling to their practicioners and should be AVOIDED at all costs. instead giving them a normal upbringing and teaching them how to deal with their empotions (as well as some discipline and impulse controll) would be a good way to deal with the situation.
and as a sidenote: any organisation that treats "kidnapping and brainwashing babys/little children" as the way to go needs to be stoped (hence burn down the jedi temple ^^)
@@drizzt7dourden7 Um, what? First of all, everything we've seen of the Jedi in the movies and supplementary material suggests that Jedi did and do exercise emotions such as fear, hope and happiness. For all the talk of blind adherence, they don't seem to be doing that. Hell, Anakin even states in AotC that the Jedi teach compassion as a strength, hence his statement that love is the greatest extension of this.
Second, the Jedi *never* kidnapped children, nor even kept them from seeing their original families during and after training. They were always taken with permission from their family, and if you have such a problem with 'brainwashing' children, perhaps you should likewise take your complaints to our public education system.
Now, I am perfectly willing to admit the Jedi Philosophy has a long list of flaws. Hence why the Sequels could've had Luke systematically improve upon it with his own brand... but no, we just need to burn everything down because the past must die!
@@heyitsvonage2768 "I'm no Jedi. I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and some questions."
Though to be fair, Kyle did fall a few times in his career, but was able to come back from that with minimal damage, again thanks to Luke's philosophy.
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"Anikan said it" is about the worst argument given which path he went down ^^ (especialy when it comes to a statement where he clearly is "bending" the rules)
also "compassion" means to understand/realise someone ELSES emotions/emotional state and wanting to help them should they require it.
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" There is no emotion, there is peace.
all that could have been avoided if Qui-gon had been grandmaster. But the man didn't give a shit about the council because the Jedi weren't the balance they thought they were.
My sister has BPD .... this was spot on. Thank you bringing awareness!
Great vid. Plz don't stop doing this.
I have BPD and i just laughed my ass off I have a Kylo Ren tattoo and always felt we were very alike
I saw you mention you might make an updated video on Ben due to what happened with him in TROS, and if you’re still planning that then I’m very much looking forward to it. Something I’d be especially interested to possibly hear in the video, if you want of course, is what in TROS changed your perception and how you would’ve foreseen his character progressing based on your analysis in this video.
Anyways, whether you do all this or not, I love your videos and keep up the great work.
An important thing; the idea of Radical Acceptance is actually pretty in-tune with how Jedi are supposed to be in their true form, from what I hear. They’re supposed to teach to accept things as they come. In fact, Anakin’s fall came from his want to control his fate. The Jedi gave him no guidance, making his mind double down on the idea. Luke’s training was also about accepting his dark side, not banishing it. By forgiving and trusting Vader, Luke gave Anakin unconditional love, warmth, and acceptance, something he’d been denied, also symbolic of Luke accepting and forgiving his own inner demons.
In the EU, Luke’s Jedi Academy reformed Jedi philosophy to focus less on repression and more on psychological well-being. If only Ben could have grown up with that Luke, Luke as he was shown in previous canon would have made a pretty good therapist.
I'd say the labeling of emotions was a very superficial aspect in the original series, which was over simplified later on.
This taught me a lot about myself as well as psychology in general. Thank you!
I rewatched the Original and Prequel trilogies lately, and it strikes me that Yoda displays a significant lack of empathy toward both Anakin and Luke. In Empire, when Luke senses his friends are in trouble and wants to rescue them, Yoda never says "I understand what you feel," or anything along those lines, just telling him that it's dangerous and he's not ready. It's even worse in RoTS when Anakin tells him he's worried about someone he loves dying. Yoda tells him some feel-good bs about everyone becoming part of the Force when they die, and then lectures him on not feeling bad about it because that leads to the dark side. It would be like telling someone that they shouldn't worry about their loved ones dying because they'll go to Heaven, but don't fear that or feel sad when it happens because that's how you go to Hell. Perhaps in the Star Wars universe it's true, but it doesn't help Anakin actually deal with the emotions he's having.
The force was always intended as a metaphor for real world philosophy.
Far as I can see, no matter the diagnosis, modern psychological "treatment" merely masks symptoms, at least for a while.
Obviously, the treatment is far more profitable than the cure. And when no cure is expected, the offer of a treatment is an endless well of potential wealth.
Your choice of the specifier "modern" gives me ideas about what alternative you would suggest. This video is exactly for you.
This on is spot on! I always thought the idea that people are either light side or dark side was absurd. The point isn't to balance the universe by pitting good guys against bad guys. That's just a path to perpetual war, which is pretty much the bad guys winning no matter what. The point is to balance the light and dark WITHIN THE SELF! Th only film that even gets close to understanding this is Last Jedi.
Individuals with BPD also need responsibility training. Acceptance is key, but also healthy reform is necessary which is probably taught in the last two modules of DBT (hopefully). Giving in to the compulsive nature of BPD i.e. anger, fear, and impulsivity will only stoke it. I mention this because I don't see it talked about a lot, which I understand because it's heavily stigmatized. However, untreated BPD often wreaks havoc on its victims and it's important to discuss to lessen the stigma. If individuals take more responsibility for their actions it will more likely grow character and self-confidence, while decreasing the instability in the three main areas.
How about an analysis of Clint Eastwood's character in the film High Plains Drifter? The character is difficult to pin down. His motivations are not obvious at first take.
I have BPD too, when can I use the force and wield light sabres??
Interesting how you added Yoda in this. I believe it was Pop Culture Detective (famous for his thought provoking Born Sexy Yesterday movie) who had addressed Yoda as well in being the character who had given entirely wrong advice to Anakin in how to handle his emotions. This had a huge impact over time in the decissions Anakin made tht led him join the dark side. And if those Jedi ideas about emotion haven't changed since then it doesn't surprise me why Darth Vader's grandson walks a similar path as he once did.
When will they learn?
This is great stuff. Subbed.
Loved this. I agree with diagnosis. ❤️👍
I love this Chanel I hope he analyzes the characters in my book one day.
His character is extremely interesting.... As a concept. I really wish the concept for these movies was better written, Because I want to like these movies and characters, I really do, But sadly it was gaven the wrong writers and directors with clashing views.
A Yoda diagnosis would be great.
"Hard your head is.. soften it we must"
- Yoda just being a boss 😎
Wow 0:57 that picture!
kylo also loves wearing high waisted pants
you are very good in your expertise!
I’d love to hear your opinion on Ahsoka, a young Jedi who fought as (essentially) a special forces leader UNDER ANAKIN during a war, as a teenager, and seems to have grown up fine.
id like to see amos from the expanse. hes kind of like jayne from firefly, but with a lot more depth.
Could you do a video on Verbal Kint/Keyser Soze from The Usual Suspects?
I enjoy your videos; I do. However my gripe is the term therapist being used by non- PsyD, PhD, or Psychiatrists, making videos, accurate or not. There are several other TH-cam users, noy you, as I dont know your education, experience, or credentials, but there are many others self identifying as therapists, even using the term ' licensed', when folks in their ilk are not licensed, but rather, just ' certified,' or " credentialed" therapists, typically used for marital therapists, family therapists, and the like. Licensed, is used exclusively for clinical psychologists, licensed clinical social workers, and psychiatrists ( medical doctors.) I commend you for your explanations, provided education and explanations, and provided explanations and that you don't mis-represent. Thank you for being honest. However, as I am sure you have seen, there are Marriage "Therapists" passing them self off as psych professionals, even using the tern " licensed," when they are certain licensed or credentialed with that title or education, especially when discussing pop-culture media such as this. Keep up the good, honest work.
Really interesting. I think JJ missed the boat on filling in more of Ben's back story though. But really brilliant on your part showing how screwed up the Jedi were. Could you do one like this this on Vulcan? By that I mean Spock's people
Great Content!
this adds so much to the character
Damn, this is just useful advice. Thanks!
I thought you'd have at least 200k subs with content like this! We must remedy this!
Subbed
Diagnose Lex Luthor. He’d be an interesting one.
He's a sociopath. there, all done.
He’s a sociopath who hates the concept of “god” yet lives in a universe where many gods have fought with and/or against the JLA
Not only is this funny, but extremely educational. Yeah, some emotions are considered "bad". They really aren't. It's what we choose to do with them. Thank you.
8:47 Ah, so that's where Ben Swolo came from! 😂
This was a great video
whats the difference between bdp and being a sociopath
Great analysis. But Star Wars is not set to in the real world, several sources will point out the force is an external force that amplifies existing emotions. I would love to see an analysis of how psychology would deal with an measurable external Force altering human emotion.
You need to do ALL of the influential characters in the Star Wars ennealogy. From Yoda and Obi Wan to Anakin and Palpatine.
Is there a diagnoses for Gollum, or what the ring causes in him? I mean his story is interesting, it's like he's an ex hobbit has an addiction to a ring of power. So maybe like a drug withdraw is what you take his symptoms as, and when he finally gets the drug back it's at the climax where he falls into lava.. poor guy.
As someone who has had his own share of emotional fits, I'm glad to see some of the perspective that stabilized me here.
Your videos are lit
You should do Russel Crowe's character Hando from the movie Romper Stomper.
6:30 Which really makes no sense considering Lukes entire character in the original trilogy
Luke was always on the edge of stepping over into the dark side. That was the whole point of the cave scene on Dagobah. It was only his choices that kept him in the light and here he was tempted by darkness, thinking maybe it was light.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Every character is tempted by the dark but he overcame it later on in ep 6 and even if he didn't his choice still makes no sense. If he wasn't willing to kill Vader, a fullblown Sith Lord who had killed billions and tortured his friends, he wouldn't consider killing Ben, his nephew whom he knew well and who was only being tempted by the dark. If you think this is in character then you clearly don't know Luke at all. This isn't consistent with his character. It is like a person who wasn't willing to kill Hitler almost killing a delinquent teen
@@brucejedilee5290 the ones behind TLJ, especially Kathleen Kennedy, did this purposely. She admitted that they had drastically changed the character of Luke Skywalker because they believed that if they had made Luke the proper jedi that he was supposed to be then the attention of the audience would stolen by him. They wanted all the attention on their new characters, mainly Rey and Kylo Ren.
@@ssbwalker5144 That is just stupid, selfish and disrespectful to the character, the original trilogy, George Lucas and the fans. Also the reason was idiotic and shows they had no faith in their own characters memorablity. You could make Luke a badass mentor and still have the other characters be memeroble, less they didn't think they were. Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't take all the attention away from the original trilogy heroes, Gandalf didn't take away the attention from the rest of the fellowship and Dumbledore didn't take attention away from Harry and his friends
@@brucejedilee5290 You know, my main issue is not with Luke igniting his lightsaber, although I was disappointed, he only did that in a moment of instinct and weakness. And before he could turn off his lightsaber, it was already too late as Ben woke up and saw his uncle standing over him with his lightsaber ignited believing that what Snoke told him was true and Luke was truly going to kill him. The Luke that we saw in episode 6 also gave into his fear and anger momentarily during his fight with his Father when he threatened to turn his sister.
It's just a theory but I think it may be possible that the dream he saw was being shown to Ben by Palpatine when he looked inside his nephew's mind and the darkness he sensed was actually Palpatine's which , in legends, was described as darkness beyond darkness, a black hole in the force. So his panic and momentary lapse of judgment would be justified. Also, keep in mind what Luke said . It could be possible that Palpatine was influencing Luke's mind as well.
My MAIN issue, however, is that they made him such that he didn't even TRY to fix his mistake, he simply left and abandoned the galaxy to deal with a problem for which he feels responsible, and what's worse; he didn't even try to reach out to Leia instead he left her to deal with all the stress and burden herself. The Luke Skywalker we know wouldn't do that. Plus, his whole criticism of the jedi and his belief that it's all a failure and hubris did not even make sense in TLJ. I mean, we all understand his depression but how do the jedi fit into this equation ?
I was thinking that when they were describing the dark side they were basically saying cluster b disorders.
How about doing an analysis of Frank White from "King of New York" and the vice detectives sworn to bring him down??
Tony soprano?? They called him sociopath in the show. I'd be interested to know your thoughts
You should do a diagnosis on Hank Pym. Although, you'd have to a deep dive in the comics.
Could you do a video on Darth Vader
Love your channel! 🙌🏻 Will you be doing a Palpatine one? 😮 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
No wonder why i love and am fascinated by Ben Solo/kylo ren
Cos i myself have borderline personality disorder.
Hes one of the most interesting and profound characters in the saga
The more I think about it the more I believe that the teachings of the Jedi Order were developed by a person (or people) who believed that force users were a genetic plague on the galaxy that needed to be eliminated. No kids, no attachments, repression of emotions especially love of others, dangerous job, etc... I understand that teaching kids to control their emotions when they could possibly force choke a kid on the playground if they lose a game of kickball is pretty important, but the Jedi go way too far. They consider all strong emotions to be "bad". They turn children into emotionless dolls so of course some rebel and turn into emotion driven pleasure seekers. The whole Jedi Order is in serious need of wholesale changes to produce more mentally stable Jedi.
I want to see a breakdown of Skull Kid from Majora's Mask
Could you do maul or grievous
Quite quickly could see where this one was going and do not disagree one bit. Having a partner who quite likely was experiencing BPD (even their experiences with their upbringing are highly suggestive), you could really feel this one.
Ben Swolo was a result of a coping mechanism all along. It all makes sense
6:41 funniest thing all day.
Honestly! I wish I could send just that part of the video to my friends.
@@jaredtweed7826 yeah gotta put it in the final cut pro and cut it out to do that but it would be epic.
@@amiracleone2803 can you send me that video if you do that?
www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/m5gwkw/palpatine_let_the_hate_flow_through_you/ posted it on reddit here.
@@jaredtweed7826 nice thank you.
lol... i just asked about this personality disorder in the joker video! nice.
Could you do a diagnosis on the reverse-flash aka eobard thawne from the flash TV series and legends of tomorrow season 2 please?
And a second request for the joker from Batman Killing Joke please?
I'd like to see your diagnosis of Travis Bickle or Max Cady.
Love this video
please do an anakin skywalker
While watching this the thought came to mind that is common in research regarding reincarnation where it is very common for a soul to remain with in groups most commonly in families where there is a gap period of a generation though sometimes more. Anyway skipping the above it is interesting to see the similarities between Anakin/Vader and Kylo.
I live with bpd, my ex wife compared me to kylo Ren... the name makes it easy, but also my best friend who's just getting into star wars often compares me to anakin
That's not my Luke Skywalker.
Long Live The Expanded Universe!!!!
I love this analysis, especially the failure of the Jedi teachings to young children is so accurate that honestly, one of the thing I hated the most about the sequel trilogy, even more than all the obvious nonsense, the plotholes, the awful writing and the directing crisis, is that it didn't tackle that obvious problem right on: the Jedi continuously spawn or enforce the Sith by making young children detatch themselves from emotions and connections, which is highly unnatural, until they eventually still form some anyway and when something happen and they're faced with those emotions they never learn to manage and control because they were just told to avoid them, they lose themselves easily to the dark side. I hoped that the sequel trilogy directly unknowledged these flaws and didn't. It's not even like it would have been something completely new, hell, the Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic game series in the early 2000s tacked it head on and exposed those flaws and those are still to me some of the best stories Star Wars ever told. Luke Skywalker should have been the one to completely reform the Jedi, not another guy repeating the same mistakes of his predecessors.
I have BPD too and like a few others who have it have said, you can DEFFINATLEY see it in him!
by the way, thanks for making a video that doesn't either make us out to be delicate little snowflakes or (worse and more common) the evil life destroyer. on top of that you pointed out that it can actually be managed.
I do have a little Kylo living inside of me but... he lives INSIDE. if i put the effort in he is not gonna come out to play on the outside. also, DBT is the best thing ever!
He also has shown self harming behaviour before. In TFA, in the forest after being shot by Chewie, he was shown punching the wound
Yoda suffers from dyslexia , him reading a book i doubt it.
Han Solo was Lightsaber because he listened to Rian Johnson psychology it burns.
You should analyze Michael Myers, Jason Voorhees, and Norman Bates (the movies, not the Bates Motel TV series).