@@Elisabeht-Swandoubt that 1 20-minute episode has enough psychology content for them to do an analysis video though. Is it that good by the way? I heard that it broke some sort of ranking record with just 1 episode, and I always wary of those works that get popular too quickly, as they tend to be disappointing more often than not in my opinion
im sad aout what they did to Jing Xie (misstress cheng?) If you look at the history of her she was based on an Chineese pirat woman who kind of was the best, most successful pirate EVER. She got to keeep all her riches,was parderned from her crimes and died retired surounded by her family a free rich woman becuse it was more important to stop herthan to punnishher she was THAT good! She allowed, and suported Gay marrage,health ensurrance and fair wage. She also realized that there was more money andlesscrew lost if they just told people "pay us and wave the port fee when we dock and we will spare you from dying" (at our hands).
@@hypnotherapy69 Eh, I would be very careful about asserting that anyone in the 19th century supported gay marriage. You are, unfortunately, spreading bad history.
I think you might need to be a bit more careful with your phrasing because something tells me you don't know what the rest of the internet uses the acronym CBT for and as a Hint it doesn't mean cognitive behavioral therapy
One quote from Jack that I think sheds a lot of light on his moral compass and where he draws a line is "People aren't cargo". He was initially branded as a pirate for his refusal to be involved in slave trade.
@@Sharay98 It is. However, the book that Disney considers jack's canon backstory is all about him refusing to trade in Black Gold AKA Slade Trade. His whole original crew is killed in front of him and the Black Pearl is only named that because she set alight by Beckett.
@@Sharay98 To add to Ni Dawn's comment: Beckett sets the Pearl on fire, and this is when Jack makes the deal with Davy Jones to get the ship back and be her captain.
@@MyrthexLatoya Also, if I'm not mistaken, Jack set free 100 slaves, so Davy Jones demanding that he bring him "100 souls" is a sick mockery of his attempt at morality. Now he has to gather 100 "slaves" to give to Jones
I love rewatching the first movie and just being reminded of how Jack always seems like he's just steps ahead and (even as quoted in the movie) it's so hard to tell if he actually plans it all out in advance, or literally just wings it and is just THAT good at judging spontaneous situations and making equally as spontaneous decisions. It's so fascinating and entertaining and it never gets old.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong I only kinda disliked the 5th one. Jack Sparrow sounded different, and felt way more frenetic than in the other 4. The whole charm of Jack Sparrow is that he was always somehow in control, and I feel like the last one felt a bit too far removed from that.
@@AstrumG2V I totally agree. I liked all 5 movies and will sometimes have little marathons on rainy days, but the 5th one did feel a bit more disconnected when it came to Jack. Maybe because it was a different chapter of sorts with Henry and Carina? And Jack really wasn't the main focus too much in that movie? Regardless, I sometimes depate on if it would have been too disconnected to remove his character completely, which would suck because his character, wit, and humor in the darker situations is what makes those movies sometimes!
@Sang Jae Kouwenberg yeah, someone made a video about why the 5th one Jack is not as good. mostly what i can remember is his reaction just feels dry, feels out of character.
I can never get tired of Jack's introduction. Watching him lose everything but the clothes on his back in front of the whole pier then waltz in like he owns the place just destroys me every time.
It was so great what they did with the music being so epic and the camera how they have it zoomed in on him to make it seem like he’s at the top of a huge ship only for it to slowly zoom out and see it’s actually just a small boat. Great introduction to a legend of a character
Jack actually has a kind of tragic backstory that unfortunately was left on the cutting room floor. We see that his father was a pirate, one of the best in fact. But in the deleted scenes of At World's End we learn that Jack tried going straight and joined the EITC. Until Beckett wanted him to deliver a ship full of slaves. Presumably the ones standing outside of Tia Dalma's hut and mourning him in Dead Man's Chest. After doing the right thing and leaving the life of piracy, he does the right thing again and returns to the life of piracy. And his reward was Beckett hunting him down, branding him, and sinking him along with his own ship. So he made a deal with the devil and got his ship back. He embraced the life of piracy. And when he tried to do the right thing one more time and be honest with his new crew about the treasure they were hunting, they mutinied him and left him to die a horrible death by marooning. So yes he developed a personality disorder. Yes he became selfish. Yes he stopped caring about what happens to others so long as it doesn't cost him much. "...and a hard earned lesson it was."
interstingly enough: he still acted in others favour in the movies, actually in every single movie he did stuff that doesnt only benefit him when egotism couldve been easier.
I feel like the climax of At World's End is the most compelling showcase fo Jack's psychology- not just in him giving up his immortality to save Will, but the range of emotions he shows in the aftermath of that, going from frustrated and curt to quietly happy once he sees that it actually worked.
I think he was nurtured to be the way he is. He is not a psychopath. But a self taught sociopath. He's capable of empathy and does not have overly superficial emotions, he's just likely to disregard it most of the time.
Another factor to consider here is that Jack isn't just losing something - giving up this chance of immortality - he's also gaining something - he's beating Davy Jones on all counts - not just killing him but also depriving him of his revenge. Jones killing Will is a defeat for Jack and a victory for Jones because Jones outdid Jack at his own game - Jack thought he understood the rules and what the possibilities were, and Jones did the thing Jack hadn't predicted - only by undoing that, could Jack actually win.
I was just thinking about that moment thinking how sweet it was of him to save Will and give up his dream opportunity to do it. It always brings a tear to my eye watching that beautiful scene.
One detail that often goes unnoticed about Jack's introduction is the fact that he knew exactly how much water to scoop out of the boat in order to make it to the dock. It's a detail that's easily overshadowed by the humor of the situation, which in an of itself is really good foreshadowing for Jack's character as a whole: very smart, and an exceptionally good pirate, who is often underestimated because of how silly he portrays himself.
To me that intro scene comes across as funny, a great introduction, haha the boat fell but he still made it and looks confident. But it also shows just how good of a sailor he is, he managed to get that boat from god knows where in that condition all the way to the port and he was right on target, that is incredibly impressive and shows he’s a phenomenal sailor
A group of girls in my high school psychology gave a presentation on anti-social personality disorder. You guys described it as a lack of a moral compass, they described it as the thing that makes you a serial killer. I needed the wake-up call that, while many serial killers do have aspd, not everyone with aspd is a serial killer. Thank you. Also, fun note, there’s a video online of a woman who ran around Disneyland like Jack Sparrow. She found the Jack Sparrow character, and they ran together. Pure dopamine.
@@Jane-oz7pp You're taking the "lack of moral compass" thing to literally. People with anti-social personality disorder also have a "moral compass," but their "moral compass" points them in the direction of doing things that are popularly considered or objectively immoral. There is nobody on earth who has _no_ "moral compass" whatsoever, except like babies I guess. If you need the phrase to be more precise, you could say they have a "lack of a _functioning_ moral compass."
@@GoddoDoggo Amoral and Imoral. An Amoral entity is one without morals or ethics, they just do things, something largely impossible in sapient life. Imoral people understand morality, they likely have their own moral standards, but most of us see those morals as evil.
@Dog God I don't think that's quite true. Ones moral compass might value the self above all, and that seems to be the case for ASPD, or, at least, Jack Sparrow. Theoretically, though, one could exist who is apathetic about all things: their own life, other people's, animals, plants, objects, anything. That would be a person without a moral compass, though I doubt many exist, since it would make existence very difficult
My best friend was diagnosed with APD. Watching this video made me realize I was his “Elizabeth”. It was tough. He always had these glimpses of humanity but generally used his charm and intelligence to manipulate people and situations around him. I cut him off for two years. Everyone around him had enough and broke away. I think that was a huge turning point for him to realize he needed people more than he thought. We reconnected with an ultimatum: If you ever lie to me again, even once, I will never speak to you again. The two year break made it clear I was serious. And now we’re good. I’m his kids’ godmother. We spend four hours on the phone at a time. I can’t speak to his experience but it’s interesting to think about our relationship from this perspective.
@@ZiddersRooFurry If you're worried about having AsPD, it's because you care about how your AsPD will affect the people around you and how it could make you hurt them, right? If you were very bad off, you would be thinking "Yeah, I have AsPD, who cares? If other people were as smart as me, they would have it too!" (Much the same as with NPD.) One can have tendencies of a disorder without actually having the full disorder. But from the fact that you're worrying like this, I would say you are more likely to have something in the anxious cluster like Avoidant Personality Disorder. AvPD makes a lot of people fear they have something more severe (like AsPD) or that they're just broken.
I have a similar experience with a few different people. And I feel like what that shows is people with personality disorders (pretty much any kind, not just ASPD), they can learn rules and boundaries. It takes a lot of effort, and it doesn’t happen often, but it is possible.
@@ZiddersRooFurry There is always hope. Like any other condition, it just takes work. The work needs to be specialized to you and what you need to move forward, but it's 100% possible if you're willing to look inward and see needed changes. Don't give up
I believe the reason that people love Jack so much is because he ALWAYS does the right thing in the end. How he gets there is usually questionable, but if you are a part of his crew he is going to do right by you in the end. At least post movies, before the movies he seemed to be a different person.
The characters we root for are just the ground his seeds will to grow. You could really split the character into multiple ones, and just showing how they all fail in same situations where Jack lucks out. His luck is like 10/10 but some force keeps rocking it so that he has to keep going, almost as constant as the God of the sea. I mean could she even stop him? I guess he would end up biting his tongue, but then again get flung out to temporary safety to recover. It really is like he is cursed with absolute karma or something.
I mean, pre movies he was a young guy who signed on with the East India Trading Company, he'd do a cargo run and get a ship to do further cargo runs with, he found out the cargo was slaves, and objected rather vehemently to this. He freed them, and was branded a pirate for that 'theft'. It's not THAT long after that when he would've led the Pearl toward the Isla De Muerta.
Yeah, I completely disagree with their take. It works if you take the surface level of the character, but not deeper. I've known truly horrible people. Those that can be charming, but will *always* do what's best for them. For the most part, people despise them, except for those they've charmed. There's nothing about them that redeems them, or makes *feel* human. Even from the first movie, it's hinted that Jack has much more going on underneath. Not because it's explicitly stated, but by expression and body language. The "arrogance" of Jack, to me, felt far more like justified confidence. What they are called a character arc, felt just like poor writing. Jack is written consistently up until the fourth movie. It was then that they wrote him to be a more bumbling fool than someone who actually strategized. In the first movie, he was written like the story of the drunken monk. He would disarm people by letting them underestimate him, but he used that against them in the end. That was the whole point of, "You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest." Jack *knows* people. He's very perceptive, the stunts do work with out taking in all of his surroundings, and he's very intelligent. You can't steal ships in the way he did without knowing a hell of a lot about sailing, swordsmanship, naval strategy et ect. By the fourth movie, it seemed all of that was ignored to make Jack more the butt of the jokes, than the one making the jokes. Was that due to his personal life and friction with Hollywood? No idea. But I will say that their "disclaimer" that they don't take sides and can like a work without liking the person... That was disgusting. Anyone who actually watched the Depp v. Heard trial saw that he was the abuse victim, *not her*! As a therapist supposedly pointing out red flags of relationships in movies, how they missed that I'll never know. Heard had zero actual evidence of injuries, while Johnny's finger was CUT OFF! Changing the color balance of a photo does not a bruise make. She made him lie on camera in Australia, I'm sad they didn't follow up with charges. I don't get it. The entire six week trial is online for anyone to watch. Yet people pick up the tidbits that main stream media showed and made her to be the victim. I could go on with all the inconsistencies that followers of the trial found with her story, but it's not even a close difference of opinion. She lied. She lost all three counts. Johnny won two and the one charge he lost didn't even have anything to do with him, it was about what the lawyer said as defamation.
Dude with license is a moron and slow. He relies on his emotions instead of what really is. All movies established him as a good man. He only screws over the bad people and does right by the good ones. The fact that he's surrounded by bad people and still does good shows he really couldn't be bad no matter how much of a scumbag he is.
@@chesneymigl4538 I would go even further than that and say that their personal life is generally not our business. I know that a lot of people will disagree with that. I find that people are too judgemental these days and have really high expectations of people that don't really align with reality.
It's hilarious rewatching the first 2 movies and seeing Jack just repeatedly telling the truth and just STATING his plans, but because of his character and just how he dupes everyone, no one believes him. So when he says in the third movie when he says, "I do that quite a lot actually, yet people are always suprised" makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE in hindsight
Everyone praises the comedy and the effects of the pirates movies. But truly, the best part of the movies IS THE MUSIC. Just Han Zimmer, man. Every note just hits just right.
And noticing when to hype up and change the pirate theme to a more serious tone. It was so amazing yet keeping with the traditional old sound we all know and love. You hear it when that first hero shot of him uses the gun to stand up to the kraken. Great job!
3:45 talking about Jack's character building in his intro scene, the shot left out that really speaks volumes about this man is the way he stops bailing out his boat to pay his respects to the dead bodies left hanging as a warning to other pirates. He recognizes and respects his fellow pirate.
I have always loved Jack's intro. It isn't just funny. He says only one sentence, but between that and everything else, we learn pretty much everything we really need to know about him. There is also an exchange late in the first movie that, I think, says it all about Jack. Elizabeth: "Whose side is Jack on?" Will: "Right now?" And. in all fairness to Jack, it is never like he lies about his motives. He is actually quite upfront about it.
Jacks intro says what the whole character is about. 😏 Here comes a man of dignitiy, wits & humor. A man who tries to encounter the worlds harshness & cruelty with lightheartedness & empathy. A man of greatness but in the end still only a single man who has weaknesses and tries to live a life of freedom regardless of the contempt it might come with. A character of wisdom & knowledge and who only has one wish in his life and that is to be free. 🏴☠👋⛵
one of my favorite one liners in the series is in the second movie when Elizabeth confronts Jack about Will's whereabouts- and after realising who she is- turns to Gibbs and says "hide the rum"
@@suzanneh975 I've often had a visual of Jack, coming across a bottle of modern-day Captain Morgan rum, making a scoffing sound, and saying, "Looks nothing like the chap." (4/18/2023)
I’d say Jack is a man who plays the role of being a heartless pirate, but he tends to save the day because in his heart of hearts he can’t help himself. He does care and he wants Swan and Turner to be okay.
Okay, I can't not say it: you guys mischaracterized Jack in the first film. The Jack we meet isn't the Jack he was ten years earlier and that's the point. He trusted Barbossa and did the right thing by his crew, and was mutinied on, even by his friend Bootstrap. He did the (relatively) right thing and was punished for it. From that point on, Jack developed a more selfish and cynical philosophy. The writers point to it a few times, especially near the end of the film, when (after Jack risks his chance at freedom to help Will and Elizabeth and help save the crew of the Dauntless) the new crew of the Pearl steal Jack's ship and abandon him to be executed. And he says this: "They done what's right by them. You can't expect more than that." Jack does have an arc in that film but it's about relearning to trust other people to have his back, not about wanting something that isn't a ship. For all his selfishness and cowardice, Jack frequently does the right thing (like saving Elizabeth from drowning instead of just stealing a ship) but is always immediately punished for it. That's like, *his thing*.
I know that I am no expert, however I do believe that their diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder is incorrect. I would submit that Jack learned to behave as if he had ASPD as a defense mechanism following being mutinied. His trust was broken and thus decided to no longer trust others and reject any kind of bond, most often by manipulating people. Despite this there were many points all throughout the series that you can see him choosing a path that would not as easily benefit him in favor of one that would better benefit someone else. A scene that always stays in my mind is the scene where he tells Will that his father was a pirate. I think that someone with ASPD would probably avoid antagonizing the person who is your bargaining chip and prone to fits of emotion. Yet Jack takes the time to try and broaden Will's perception of what being a pirate is and, more importantly, is not. "For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can't. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you'll have to square with that some day." If Jack was unconcerned with Will as a person then he never would have tried to help him resolve one of his internal conflicts.
I think you're right actually, sometimes people are forced to become harder in dire situations A good example of the theme you mention is when Elizabeth betrays him in the second movie and, by the third, he can't believe anyone would come to his rescue so he assumes everyone is a hallucination
Also there is that fan theory that Jack was a slave ship captain who decided to free his cargo; hence Davy Jones demanding 100 souls for him. I can't quite put a finger on it, cause I watched movies quite a while ago, but I remember I had an impression Jack PRETENDED that he was a selfish asshole, while he also did the right thing. And even if my opinion is incorrect, the guys not acknowledging the times when his immediate actions seem dastardly, but then he pursues the right thing, makes feel the analysis seem shallow. And with a character like Jack, who is heavily shrouded in dishonesty, lies and deception, the exploration of declared action and intents, and actual actions and actual outcomes is vital. Is a man that says he will do bad things, appears as he would do bad things, but actually does the right thing, actually a bad man? I'm not saying there isn't value in being honest, but that's another thing.
What’s sad is most people don’t catch his origin story or his full story of what happened to Jack and it makes his entire character sad. Born a pirate, he tried to leave the cruelty of it and joined a trading company since he still loved seaward adventure, but when the trading company ordered him to transfer 100 slaves to slave owners (and be rewarded with the ship) he instead set the slaves free and ran with the ship. The company hunted him down, and they tied him to his burning and sinking ship. Davy Jones interrupted his drowning death, offering him his life and the ship for a steep price. He accepted, but when he went looking for legendary gold, his own crew betrayed him. No wonder he doesn’t care about doing good for others anymore, look at what it cost him.
@@archivist_13 I might have which specific movie mixed up, but I believe it is subtly but clearly implied in At World’s End and Dead Men Tell No Tales. When Jack is in Beckett’s office (I think he was wanting Jack’s compass or Jack was going to get it back) Beckett says something along the lines of “You could have been successful in my industry and had your own fleet had you shipped my cargo instead of steal it.” And Jack says something like “Well, people aren’t cargo mate.” Beckett also at some point says that he had hunted Jack down and thought he killed him after sinking his ship. That’s when he would’ve met Jones.
I asked an LMFT I know about his perspective on personality disorders once, and his understanding is that they are deeply-rooted coping mechanisms that kind of take you over, so the trauma of Jack's backstory actually makes a lot of sense in the context of ASPD. To be fair, I know VERY LITTLE about ASPD and I'm not a trained nor educated in psychology.
I was diagnosed with ASPD in my teenage years and waking up to the things I would do to folks to get my way was heavy. Changing my values was crucial to someone like me becoming the high-functioning person I am today. I still recognize things that I do or won't do that are deeply tied to being ASPD. I teach a class once a month. Many times, I won't even plan for it. I'll read the material minutes before I have to give the class and it always works out. My wife hates that I have this ability, and takes issue with others giving me praise for this. I recognize that this is tied to my experience with impulsivity. I'm careful and hyper-conscious that when I am trying to convince someone of something, I don't come off as manipulative. Thank you for showing that a person with ASPD can still be a hero...of some sort.
I think Jack is a genuinely good man, occasionally. I think that sometimes, he acts out of compassion for others on impulse. He’s self-absorbed, unreliable and flighty, but I think he certainly has a (if inconsistent) sense of empathy. He does what he wants because he wants it, and sometimes, he wants someone else to be happy.
Yeah, I didn’t like the takeaways this video has- they take what Jack SAYS at face value. Jack absolutely DOES plan, he just doesn’t always have the chance to- there’s complexities here that just can’t be defined by a diagnosis.
I don't think we should judge captain Jack Sparrow like a sober person. He's not just drunk, not just exaggerating being extra drunk. He does seem kinda emotionally detached however. I think due to the pirate live of combining hedonism with enormous amounts of stress he's high of his rocker on anything he can get his hands on. Like he's trying to numb his trauma's and overall emotions to make life easier in a world that is full of death, treachery and all kinds of pain. The result is a person that is somewhat erratic. Flipflopping between total selfish and sometimes all selfless. Let's remember the times where all kinds of substances were way more legal than now. Especially amongst criminals themselves.
@@BleedingLiar17 yah while he may nlt be the best person morally, he had some morals and gky bsckstabbed a few times himself which probably made his problems worse
The reason Captain Jack Sparrow is a pirate is because "People aren't cargo", so I don't think that his actions and behaviors are entirely self serving but with a measured amount of clinical detachment
@@brannontirin he works his selfishness into his selflessness. The sequence of events was that Jack upon realizing he was carrying slaves set them free, which resulted in him being branded a traitor and burned with his ship. Davy Jones offered to bring him and his ship back with the deal of giving him a crew worth of souls within a certain amount of time. Jack would then head to a place with the cursed gold and an attempt to stay alive without compromise by attaining immortality. A mutiny happened which resulted in him being stranded and Bill being drowned. He would then routinely help people under the pretense they would help him later. He’s a coward, liar and cheater but for the good of himself and often others who wrap themselves up with him.
Jack values freedom above everything and what was disappointing was that they decided to delete the scene that describes what turned him to piracy in the second movie (now has been retconned) where he used to work for the ETC as a captain but released people who were gonna be sold into slavery. “People aren’t cargo mate”. It just rounds out his character so much better.
That moment was made canon in a book called “The Price of Freedom” iirc. I 100% agree with you on the implications of that scene as well. Jack was a truly good person for letting the slaves go free, but that decision cost him his life as he once knew it. It forced him back into a world that rebels against society, which eventually allowed him to be his true authentic self once again. He even expresses gratitude to Beckett for that moment in that same deleted scene.
One of the most interesting parts about Jack in the first one specifically is that it feels like he's almost playing a character. He acts like a brash, effortlessly cool pirate who's kind of a fool and only cares about himself, and yet the first thing he does is dive in the water to save Elizabeth, whom he doesn't know at all, and almost gets caught as a result. And again at the end of the movie, he has an opportunity where he could run away and take the Pearl back, which is the only thing he's allegedly cared about throughout the whole movie, but he chooses to go back and help Will and Elizabeth. Jack acts like he doesn't care, maybe he's trying to play the part of a heartless pirate to gain some respect as a captain, but at the end of the day he will help people in need. That's an aspect to the character that I feel the later movies kind of lost, which is a shame.
I always thought that in order to make a good POTC movie you have to make it feel ambiguous whether or not Jack is smart and whether or not he actually cares about anyone but himself. Go rewatch the first movie and you'll find out you are never truly, utterly sure about any of this two aspect of this personality. And it is (one of) the main things that made this movie so great.
@@maxime5067 Agreed, I feel like in the first one they even lead more towards the idea that he's actually very smart with the way he tricks Barbosa, and that he's just pretending to be a fool so people will underestimate him. But by the last one, he's just an idiot...
One thing about Jack rescuing Elizabeth at the beginning. He had *already* been caught. He's under guard by two men of the royal navy at that point, and he's clearly trying to find a means to get away from them. Elizabeth falling into the water gave him exactly the opportunity he needed to alter his circumstances so that he's not cornered by two men with guns. I don't think you can rule out that his actions here were more than a little self-serving.
@@TheChiptide IMHO as the movies went on, they just flanderised Jack's character. It happens to everyone, because they think they don't need to try because "audiences are stoopid" or will "fill in the blanks" themselves. It's why they were able to cut so much context out of the later Harry Potter films, because they were banking on the preestablished audience to fill in the missing holes and be able to follow along because "they read the books".
For me, from a plot perspective, these films are about the relationship between Will, Jack, and Elizabeth. Three VERY different upbringings and backgrounds where Jack comes from poverty and piracy, Elizabeth comes from wealth and power, and Will has a little bit of both (he comes from poverty but is like general respected in society and plays a role). There's that, and there is of course their personality differences. I would LOVE a hero's journey episode for will and also for Elizabeth because their characters change massively as well. Anyway, my point is that for this reason, the only film that felt truly "money-grabby" to be was the 4th one, because Will and Elizabeth are barely even mentioned and we don't continue their story at all. the 5th one felt ever so slightly money-grabby because W&E are barely in it, but it still continues their storyline and I really appreciate that.
Will is the pillar of the community archetype. The kind who does work that is absolutely vital but doesnt get enough recognition for it. Blue collar work.
One thing that will never get old for me is his entrance in the first movie: the camera shots, his standing on the top of the boat, and most importantly of all, Hans Freaking Zimmer 😭😭. It kills me everything single time, that music and personality can make the most stupid scene one of the most epic cinematic shots and have you crying on the floor with laughter all at once. Now that is true directorship.
I often thought Jack downplayed himself to make other people underestimate him. He was really brilliant but made this persona so everyone would think he was a joke. It was all about self preservation. Very interesting take on him here! Never thought of him this way. Thanks! Ps... First movie only for me :)
I agree. He downplays things so he can outsmart people. The first film Will thinks Jack is willing to sacrifice him for the boat and he accepts Will'saccusation. The full story is though is that he;s trying to convince Barbossa that he's not a threat.
I don't think Jack tries to deceive people into thinking he's stupid, people just immediately see this filthy, eccentric, bumbling pirate and think he's an idiot. I sincerely doubt he looks around and rubs his hands together and is like "how many people can I convince into thinking I'm an idiot?" He just behaves like one.
2:18 Already has happened by the first film though, since he only was branded a pirate after freeing a hundred slaves that Beckett wanted him to smuggle to his private plantation. Jack instead freed them in Barbados and sailed for the nearest tavern where he was later apprehended, dragged off, branded a pirate, and his boat was burned and sunk. Hell, Jones’ value of Jack’s soul is a direct ode to the hundred slaves he freed, the act that branded him a pirate.
The deleted scene for At World’s End where it’s implied why Beckett branded him a pirate (Jack was employed by England to ferry slaves across the Atlantic and then he liberated all of them: “people aren’t cargo, mate”) throws a kink in this for me. Its also why Davy Jones demands 100 souls from Jack in Dead Man’s Chest. I think it’s more like Jack was being torn between employment and the law and his own conscience. If he was going to he branded a pirate for being a good person, then so be it. This world and its laws aren’t for him, and that’s why he simply embraced what it is to be a pirate, especially if it puts him at odds with England and its people. He’s such a complicated character and it’s a blast to pick him apart and see what makes him tick. Basically, it’s fun to put myself in Jack’s shoes but also Johnny Depp’s shoes with this character
This delete scene really does disservice to Sparrow's character arc. With this scene in, it's revealed that Jack chose to damn himself for 100 slaves, and it's heavily hinted that he used Davy Jones to do it, to gain control over a mythically fast slave ship. And yes, 12 years later at the start of Curse of the Black Pearl, he has trauma that has driven him to APD. But I think with that deleted scene in the movies, it could have been a redemption arc; not just a series of strange events until he's altruistic at the climax of the series.
Something a lot of people kind of misunderstand about ASPD is that you can still have morals, right? Your morals don't have to be built around emotion/empathy in order for them to be "good". But this is also a decent point, definitely ties into a lot more of the "pirate" aspect. It could be many things, that's what makes it fun.
I realized one thing reading this comment (though I've already read about the deleted scene): why would Jack's soul, a man with apparently so little morals and who values nothing and no one appart from himself, be worth 100 souls? Imo it goes a little bit beyond than "100 slaves". It's because he *saved* those 100 souls, they prolly were able to live a better life thanks to him, these 100 souls all owed them their existence. 100 lives could happen thanks to him
@@moemoeanisong Not so much that, but that Jack had to give up his life so 100 people could have one. Because Davy Jones is a cruel character, if Jack wanted his life back, he would have to give up 100 lives.
But, doesn't the "Dead Men Tell No Tales" show him as teenager or a young boy already on a pirate ship? So, did he go from being a youth on a pirate ship to working for "the government" to going back to life of piracy?
Did you guys know the reason he became a pirate? He used to work for the EITC but he left because he didnt want any hand in the slave trade. Kind of interesting I thought, especially with all the other stuff you guys talked about!
I was hoping his "people aren't cargo, mate" scene would make it into this. I personally interpret jack as a character who has had "look out for yourself because no one else will" beat into him repeatedly and that's his big driving force to many of his selfish and impulsive actions
Jack Sparrow's ethics are questionable at best, but there is a firm line he will not cross. Right at the beginning he jumps in the water to rescue Elizabeth. A real psychopath would have let her drown rather than take the risk.
I think he’s one of the best characters in cinema history. He has a tragic backstory that got cut, unfortunately, but he still worms his way into our hearts despite that, and he is always entertaining. He does do things that benefit others throughout the franchise though. I liked that he was a catalyst for growth for the other characters while remaining mostly true to himself throughout.
As someone with diagnosed ASPD, do remember that ASPD, like most mental disorders, come in a wide spectrum. I have learned to function in society. Though it has been very difficult. I'm in my mid 30s and just now feeling like I've got a handle on it.
@@aWywardWyvern I dont mind sharing. The truth is, you can't really correct your very unusual natural response to things. My instincts still tell me to.disregard most people, to not care about them. To lie to them if it serves my interests. What you need to constantly do is to remind yourself that other people matter. That you aren't the only important thing. Your mind reacts one way, then you have to consciously choose to not act on those thoughts and habits. It's a struggle. I still have problems not acting on my naturally impulsive behavior. But it's possible.
@@feywanderer89this is an interesting thing to learn, i know it is a simplified way of putting is but do you really just dont care and lie habitually? like many people lie for their benefit but from my personal experience there are times when i dont feel bad about it when i think it was necessary or i intended it and when i do feel bad about it was when i felt like there should be a better way but isnt
@@msk-qp6fn I dont lie habitually. Though I used to. I would just lie about random things to people I just met for no other reason than I could. Then that bit me in the ass enough times where I had to change that habit. But it is my brains natural go to. Lie to that person. Cause who cares.
Did you ever consider neurofeedback? There are some interesting studies with ASPD, not that many though. It seems in ASPD, the amygdala where our fight and flight sits is overactive. It has the ability to shut parts of the frontal lobe down, where our higher social functions like empathy sit. If the amygdala calms down, it seems that the frontal lobe bit by bit naturally takes up it's normal functioning again. It's not lost or gone, but there seems to be a "sofware error" ( don't know how to say it ) that keeps the brain in this disregulated state. Often it's due to early childhood trauma. It's a coping mechanism, where the brain got stuck in and never came out of again. TH-cam doesn't like links, but if you type in neurofeedback and ASPD you should find it easily. In case someone doesn't know what neurofeedback is: You wear an EEG and mindcontrol a videogame, watch a movie,listen to music. It will work out if the brain gives of frequencies that we normally have in a calm parasympathetic state. So f.e. if our brain isn't calm the screen becomes smaller ect. We do this intuitively. The brain gets a reward in having a big screen or the airplane moving through the game or whatever works for someone, when being calm. This is f.e. also used for ptsd, anxiety and ADHD. In my homecountry it's one of the standard treatments for ADHD. It won't change who you are, but by helping with regulatiin and calming the amygdala f.e. down you get better access to all of your brains functions again. It was developed in the 1970s, but only in recent years they started testing if it works for example for ASPD. So far it looks promising. It won't work for everyone of course. But people who used to be diagnosed with ASPD in studies reported feeling connection to others, which they never had before and empathy. I hope this information helps. Good luck!
Honestly, I never thought of Jack Sparrow as having ASPD because he's such a "fun character" but you're spot-on. The famous banter lines "You are without doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of." "But you have heard of me." actually perfectly encompass the need for attention, no matter whether of the good or bad kind.
The reason he was labeled a pirate in the first place was because he refused to deliver 100 slaves. "Humans aren't cargo, mate.". He went from being a cargo captain to pirate not because of something immoral, but at that point what choice does he have but keep running? I could see his APD as a coping mechanism because the label criminal (to be hanged) was going to follow him everywhere. "That's not much incentive for me to fight fair, is it?"
That would mean that he's a "sociopath" but only thing is that it was to my understanding that people with ASPD were incapable of caring or being remorseful for other people but could function well in society. While Jack definitely showed an uncanny display of fearlessness, recklessness and a habit of changing allegiances throughout the movies based on what benefited him at the time, he also did show a soft side in certain instances and on occasion did look out for other characters. So my initial impression was that the character was more Machiavellian than Sociopathic. But I’ve been wrong before. It’s kinda cool that my favorite character is one and could do good.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 It is a spectrum. So he could have traits and meet enough criteria for an ASPD diagnosis, but not be bad enough to be really destructive. Some people with ASPD have a little bit of a capacity for empathy, but it is way less than what would be normal.
If Jack were entirely sociopathic, the charm would not hold the length of a movie. The hook with Jack is that in the end, he always ends up doing the right thing. The plot will always leave the idea that there could be profit motive, but regardless, he ends up doing the right thing.
I've always thought of Jack as a guy, who doesn't want the rest of the world to know how big his heart truly is. If he didn't care at all, he could've found a way to lose Will in Tortuga in the first movie. He could've killed him at any point in each of their journeys together. He could've been physically violent with Elizabeth or Angelica, though other men were towards both. He could've let Gibbs go to prison. He could've drunk from the life-giving cup in "On Stranger Tides", thus sacrificing both Angelica AND her father. So many opportunities, and he still chose the lighter path. I feel like he's constantly in denial of his own sensitivity, because the profession that he's chosen doesn't allow for a lot of that, if any. I remember, watching the "Can you live with this" scene for the very first time and mumbling in the theater, "You little LIAR." It's a personality trait I also see in characters like Ian Malcolm and Han Solo. All three men put on big shows of bravado, sarcasm, backhanded compliments, and straight-out nastiness on occasion, BUT there's actually a deeper philosophy and sensitivity to them, which they all try so desperately to hide. The go-to-hell nature they present to the world is just a mask, and it takes one or more very special people to break through that facade, and make this person realize and accept all of themselves. (4/18/2023)
Exactly what I came to say. You hit most of my notes so I won't retread the same ground, except to add that, while Jack being mutinied upon could be seen as proof of his self-serving nature, the mutiny was only set in motion once Jack had agreed with Barbossa that the treasure's location should be shared amongst everyone - a decision that is hardly in Jack's self interest. All in all, Jack Sparrow is often cited as the quintessential "chaotic neutral" character, but I've always agreed with your take; I think there's a strong argument to be made that Sparrow is actually chaotic *good* and running from it.
I agree!! I know that Han Solo, in particular was a big inspiration for Jack's character when they were writing the original film. At least in the original trilogy, I think there is always a clear fight between Jack's good or "softer" instincts and his more selfish pirate ways. Jack does a lot of posturing because, his legend and image is the most important thing to him. But, a good indicator of Jack's actual good nature underneath all the posturing is, actually, the incident that pulls Jack into the original film's story in the first place: aka him saving Elizabeth from drowning. Jack saves Elizabeth after her fall even though he knows that it's probably not something that he should be doing if he wants to avoid capture and he does seem a bit annoyed at being "forced" to do it. But, of course, he didn't "have" to save her at all. He could've easily run off while the Navy guys were distracted. He could've even run away after he pulled her out of the water. Instead, Jack stays until he's certain that she's breathing and gonna be alright, despite the danger that choice puts him in (ultimately leading to his capture). But, it clearly wasn't even an option in Jack's mind to do anything else.
@@SwiftFoxProductions What's funny about their relationship is how Jack was fooled so massively by her TWICE. The first was when she pretended to drink the rum, in order to get him drunk enough to fall asleep, so she could burn the rest and signal the navy. The second, of course, was when she chained him to the ship's mast to distract the approaching Kraken. She said she wasn't sorry, but the way he called her a pirate, to me, was his way of calling her a liar. It was sort of a kindred spirit moment for them. Near the closing of "At World's End", when she told him a romance between them would never have worked, his response of "Keep telling yourself that" felt like proof of how much he actually cared for her. (4/21/2023)
@@DeWalt1845 It's funny that you touched on Jack's relationship with Barbossa. When he suggested going over to the Interceptor to negotiate the return of the cursed medallion, Barbossa said, "That's the same attitude that lost you the Pearl." I feel like what he meant by this was how he believed Jack was a bit too forgiving and compassionate towards other people, too noble. (4/21/2023)
@@daniellemusella1594 Absolutely agree. Jack definitely cared for Elizabeth more than he would ever admit. And I think she knew it too. She was kind of Jack's weak spot and it's why it was so easy for her to manipulate him. It's, also, why he never seems to hold a true grudge against Elizabeth despite the fact that she's betrayed his trust more than once (instead, he becomes increasingly antagonistic towards Will). Honestly, I always got the impression that Jack really made Will the Dutchman's captain more for Elizabeth's sake than anything. If Elizabeth hadn't been there crying over Will when he was stabbed, I'm not entirely sure Jack would've made the choice he did with the Dutchman. Maybe... but, I'm not certain.
This was fun but a little disappointing. I feel like they analyzed the kind of person Jack wants to be and portrays himself to be, not the one he actually is. Jack often helps people with not only no hope of personal benefit but with every expectation of harm to himself or his goals, because no good deed of Jack’s goes unpunished. For instance, when Jack saves Elizabeth from drowning, he is trying to keep a low profile so he can steal a ship. He has no reason to help her, but he does, because no one else can. He is immediately punished for it by the loved ones of the person he saved condemning him to the gallows. He is captured, which is antithetical to who he is- a man who chases after freedom (AKA the Black Pearl). He is exposed, by the way, by the pirate brand on his arm, which was given to him when he refused to traffic slaves. As he points out a moment later, one good deed is enough to condemn a man, but not save him- not in his case. There are numerous other examples of Jack doing things for other people against his own self-interest (and his own reason), and being hurt by it. Elizabeth double-crossing him when he came to save her and the crew in the second movie is just another example in a long line.
Absolutely agree. I'll admit to being that one _wannabe_ charisma powerhouse who has played a fair few pirate-centric DnD characters modeled heavily after Jack Sparrow, and analyzing the character myself? I see a man who paints the outward facing image of a bad man, but at his heart is someone who more or less just places freedom first before all else. Someone that I'd place somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic good, to put it in the hobby's terms. I've frequently used the term 'chaotic light-grey' to describe it when applied to my characters. Far be it for me to argue with a shrink who obviously knows their shit, but I'd say that Jack is much less selfish than he wants people to believe.
Something I notice about Jack, he still tries to do good, and help people, but he has to find a means to justify it by his own code. At least that's the way it seems as he goes along. During the first movie, he's only out for himself, because that's the only one he can trust. 2nd movie, he starts to trust some people, but still has to justify things, up until his sacrifice at the very end. And then at the start of the 3rd movie, he has a whole crew full of himselves, probably because he tried having a crew of those he remembered, and was either constantly betrayed by those fake versions, or it kept breaking his heart whenever he realized it was never truly them. SO he stuck himself with ..himself, because at least he knew where he stood. And by that point, he had had all he could stand of himself, and that's where he was willing to sacrifice himself FOR them. But he still had to justify his actions as being 'selfish'. I'd also like to point out, that at one point, during the Depp/Heard trial, Johnny channeled a little bit of Jack through him during one point on the stand. It's subtle, but you can tell by the way he moves/waves his hands, and the cadence in which he speaks. I like to think that each of the charas that Johnny has played, still reside within him to this day, and at that point in time, the Jack Sparrow part of him elbowed his way to the top and said "here, let me handle this, you take a break" and fiddle fidaddled the defense att. for Amber's side.
Have to share: There's a kid in England whose had 4 heart transplants and they've all failed. Now he's just getting by while waiting. He's also a huge Jack Sparrow fan. He started a YT channel and hoped to get a 100,000 silvery plaque someday. His Mum (whose adorable) took a chance and emailed Johnny Depp and asked for help. AND DEPP ANSWERED. He's asked his fans to subscribe to the kid's channel. Yes, the kid has the silvery plaque now! (Sorry I don't remember the name of the kid's channel.)
I love Jack's introduction because, without uttering a single word and in such a few shots, they describe the entirety of his character. No monologues, no expositions, nothing! Just this! I love it.
The first movie is undoubtedly the best, but man, the third one really holds me. The second too, but I think the third one really takes what the second movie should’ve been and kicks it up to 100. It almost feels more character driven than action, and I always love that in a movie. And I’ll listen to that sweet, sweet Hans Zimmer score, of that movie specifically until the day I croak. That score might be the rose-colored lenses that make me love it so much 😅
I always got the vibe that, when bargaining for his soul with Davy Jones, Jack was trying to play the long game to both save his own skin and get Will free. I also point to Jack saving Elizabeth from drowning as evidence that he has some measure of compassion even in his earliest scenes. Might just be my interpretation though.
I also think he wasn't actually selling Will just for himself. It was a bet and he needed time; he got three extra days out of it. Put father and son together and was, all around, a wrench in the works.
@@emergencylisl6518 It's probably a result of them not enjoying the sequels that much, especially Alan. If you don't care that much about a movie, why dig deeper into its narrative?
Not to mention Davy jones didn’t pull the number 100 souls out of his ass. Jacks soul is worth 100 souls because Jack freed 100 slaves and that’s why he got branded as a pirate in the first place
But as John said APD doesn't mean you can't recognise "good", nor are they incapable of motivating themselves to take ethical action, but it can't cost them too greatly.
One of my best friends has ASPD and he's a really great friend. He's protective and strong willed and while he did do some really awful thing in the past, he's spent a lot of time working on himself and he's comfortable where he is- and when he slips, he always listens when he's told to stop, even though he rarely apologizes. Honestly, I think his lack of empathy and guilt helps balance me out. He's taught me a lot about asserting myself and being kind and forgiving with myself.
That’s very interesting!! I’ve always felt suspicious of the intensely negative light that people with ASPD as well as psychopathy and stuff like that are painted in, cause I mean, they’re people and it just feels so dehumanising. But I’ve never known anyone with stuff like that and I can never find any positive info about them because it’s so stigmatised. So this is really cool to hear
I feel the same, I can easily reason away guilt and everything, despite being incapable of deliberately hurting anyone. As well I don’t even have a problem with liars so to speak, but liars that are dumb about how they do it. If you lie to me, you’d better at least put in some proper effort, you know?
@@calamity2383 honestly all the stigmatization is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that it's *hard* to get a diagnosis or treatment without being completely dehumanized and losing all support- i know of at least one person that nearly died because of medical neglect caused by a (wrong!) diagnosis of aspd on their chart- and it is easy to go down a dark path without diagnosis or treatment
@@twinstarssystem2857 that sounds about right. I know the medical system is very discriminatory towards bpd so it follows it would be for aspd as well :/
These Pirate's of the Caribbean films are all fantastically fun, funny, suspenseful and full of so much beautiful scenery, costuming, set design etc. I never get tired of rewatching these this time of year. Though all of the actor's involved are really awsome, Johhny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow truly MAKES these film's soooo fantastic. 💯‼🍿🥤
I wish you included the part where he's talking to Cutler Beckett and basically Beckett betrayed him and labeled him a pirate cause Jack wouldn't transport slaves. Maybe Jack's behavior and personality are more attributed to that situation and learning that being selfish is a form of protection.
I agree with this. I think his empathy lost him everything and was a weakness in the brutal world of the pirates. He's had to look out for only himself but there's a desire for connection buried deep in there!
I 100% agree. I think he was too compassionate and got hurt over it and betrayed so often he started pressing it down, deep inside of himself in order not to be hurt again. I don't think he would have actually sacrificed those 100 souls, he was buying time. He's not a saint, but I do not think he has APD, even if he has some of the traits (impulsivity, recklessness). He is a good man who has learned that being overtly good doesn't work (being branded a pirate for saving people), so he embraced the role of being a pirate (except he wasn't actually that cruel), pushing people away from him and making them wonder about his intentions.
@@ayla6854 As someone who studied psychology, I agree. He may have some AsPD tendencies, but I think they are far more learned than innate. He's too compassionate to qualify for the full disorder IMO.
Yeah, that wouldn't erase the APD diagnosis, though, it would just explain how he developed that. Remember, you can develop into these things, it's never just nature, or just nurture.
For me, a big part of Jack is that “things a man can do and things a man can’t do.” Especially in the first movie, he actually does a lot of things to help people at the risk of things he wants, saving Elizabeth, going back for her and Will, and it’s because, ultimately, he CAN’T not. The way you respond to it seems to take it in a purely physical way, what’s possible and what isn’t, but it’s also about personal morals. Jack has a lot of questionable morals, he is a selfish coward in a very human way, but he also CAN’T let truly horrible things just happen in front of him a lot of the time. To me, that’s also why he saved the slaves. He doesn’t want trouble, or to get caught, but letting truly bad things happen in front of him is something that sometimes he just can’t let go.
What a credit to Depp's acting ability as to make his character in all of the Pirates films read so differently for so many people. He is walking art. Everyone seems to have a different takeaway. I'm not a therapist, so I don't really see disorders the way that a trained person would... I'm just seeing Jack as a regular person might and what I witness with a great amount of consistency is a man who is a) unfailingly honest... in the most blunt and brilliant of ways. b) He is incredibly clever, an absolutely brilliant on-the-spot strategist. c) He is very guarded. d) actions speaking louder than words here - he is loyal... always visits the same prostitutes, always calls on the same crew members, always stepping up to help Will & Elizabeth e) he's a hyper goal-oriented opportunist - f) He can see the bigger picture that others seem to miss. I don't necessarily see any of those things as "villainous". Is Jack a bit manipulative maybe? Sure - but in the grand scheme of things (and when that manipulation is employed by someone who understands how to use that as a means to an greater good ending for everyone) it isn't such an awful thing - like potty training with treats. To me Sparrow works better when he doesn't change, when he is the rock that others can toss themselves against... which is easier for them to do once they know he functions. To me he reads more like a Sherlock Holmes with a Gibbs/Will Turner for a Watson than as an almost villian.
Disagree, I think he's chaotic good. He might shift perilously close to chaotic neutral at times, but ultimately he's chaotic good. He has his own inner moral compass that he displays several times. It just takes him a while sometimes to get there lol
Geoffrey Rush's Hector Barbossa is also one of the best antagonists/villains of all time. Definitely an underrated character with some of the best lines in the franchise. Also you left out the bit where Pintel, Ragetti, Marty, and Jack the monkey did in fact come to save Jack just because they missed him.
yeah at the end of the second movie everyone is genuinely upset that he has gone. It's Will who asks if there is anything they can do to bring him back. But they change it in the third movie that they need him for political reasons. I think Gibbs really misses him too.
@@Grigeral Oh he is absolutely underrated, you don't hear people instantly start talking about Barbossa when they talk about the Pirates franchise, and they should, therefore underrated.
@@ShiningDarknes in fairness, no one really talks about the franchise anymore unless the topic of pirates comes up. But any time it does, Barbosa is always mentioned. Not as much as Sparrow, but still consistently, at least in my experience.
Jack Sparrow is much more complex character than antisocial pd and that's why we all love him. He's the trickster character and common guidelines can not be applied to a character like that. Locky is another example
I really wanted to see Alan talk about the fight over the chest with Jones’ heart. Such a dynamic scene. I know it doesn’t fit with a hero/villain therapy episode, but that scene along with the liar’s dice scene makes that whole film worth it.
That intro is fantastic. He is this larger than life personality, a true legend, but his current reality is he is on a small, old, broken down, sinking ship, yet he still has the swagger like he was king of the world
I don't think I've ever disagreed with you guys more. If you pay attention to his expressions and some dialogue choices throughout the series (let's uh... let's ignore 4 and 5), you can see that he actually does care about other people, but he puts on a mask of selfishness, deceit, and ignorance as a defense mechanism. Even in the first movie, you can see that he actively tries to soften the blow for a second when telling Will that his father was a pirate. He gets significantly more selfish in the second movie, but the dude was genuinely afraid for his life like he has never been before. It's clear throughout the entire series that Jack is highly intelligent and acts like an idiot to mask that, so normally he is very confident in his abilities. Dead Man's Chest is the first time we see him genuinely afraid, which tends to lead people to be more selfish. That's basic psychology. Jack has been in many life-threatening situations, but he has always been in control. Even when he looks like he escapes by the skin of his teeth, he's in complete control. But when Davy Jones comes after him? When the Kraken comes after him? How is he supposed to escape that? And, of course, he's right! Dude gets killed by the very thing he has been running from the entire time. The third movie is definitely the most interesting from a character perspective. Jack is a lot more open and reveals so much more of his character than normal. His conversations with Barbosa really showcase the genuine friendship they used to have and how much they understand the world despite their choice of life. There is a crucial part of the conversation between Jack and Beckett that was cut because it was too dark for Disney, but it showed that the entire reason Jack is a pirate in the first place is because he refused to trade in slaves back when he worked for the East India Trading Company, deciding to free them instead and be branded a pirate forever. The whole discussion about the worth of a soul in Dead Man's Chest was an allusion to this moment. "100 souls" are how many slaves Jack freed. Jack absolutely cares about people, he has just been betrayed so many times that he puts himself first on most occasions. It's literally a defense mechanism. He can't even trust his own crew that much because of "the code". Jack is a good man in a world that punishes good men, so he had to adapt. Not to mention to fact that he voted for Elizabeth because he knew that uniting the pirates was more important than who wore the crown, and he saved Will by having him stab the heart of Davy Jones, sacrificing his dream for his friend. You guys really need to watch the original three movies again from a character perspective.
Yep. Nailed it! Also, I dont get why alan hates 2 and 3 ,I know it's personal and all, but from a film making perspective (since alan is a film maker), there isn't much wrong in those movies. Btw, no hate towards alan, just curious as to why.
Yes! Thanks for writing all of this. I was way too tired to type a long comment to why I disagree with a lot of what they said. Also, if we have to correlate this to what they said, then we can may be do it this way. There was a certain trauma seeing how unfair and unjust the world is and being invalidated for his morals. This trauma or life event/s may have led him to get this anti-social personality. As a means of self-preservation. Because otherwise, he could not act on his morals whatever they may be if he stayed in the social context!
You misunderstand a basic issue in psychology, that being nature vs nurture. There is an element to nature in personality traits, but they are often learned and employed as defense mechanisms especially when facing something extremely traumatic. The issue is, Jack was a deeply moral and principalled man, so much so that it cost him his life. This challenge to his world view forced him to "accept" that you cant rely on other people, and that selflessness will only get you hurt or killed. We see elements of his nature throughout the films, especially in regards to people whove built a strong relationship with him, but the nurtured behaviors always rise to the surface in the end. Personality disorders are learned, though some people have a predisposition to them, and they are often a defense mechanism for the world or if really young a learned worldview. This is also why personality disorders have higher rates of remission than other psychiatric diagnoses, and often only need therapy to help unlearn the traits associated with the disorder. So yes, Jack has ASPD. It doesnt make him at his core a bad person or unredeemable, but it is an explanation of his actions.
It is canon that Jack was employed into service for the East India Trading Company and was given command of the ship The Wicked Wench. However, after he set free a cargo of slaves, his employer, Cutler Beckett, had Jack branded as a pirate and the Wench set aflame. After failing to rescue the Wench, Jack struck a bargain with Davy Jones to resurrect the vessel. Jones returned the ship to Jack in near perfect condition, except for the permanently blackened hull. This prompted Jack to rename the ship the Black Pearl. When Jack tried to free himself from his debt, Jones demanded 100 souls in return, the same number of slaves Jack freed from the Wench. So his first and last act of selflessness was to free the people from slavery, and it branded him a pirate, completely changing his life to one of self-interest as he was hunted across the seven seas.
But, doesn't the "Dead Men Tell No Tales" show him as teenager or a young boy already on a pirate ship? So, did he go from being a youth on a pirate ship to working for "the government" to going back to life of piracy?
He was a pirate before when he was young. He was born a pirate, but was exiled because he wants to help someine, I think. Then, he turns into the officer for East India, not even as a captain until his old captain died. Then he was disgusted by slavery, set them free, he ship sunk. Yep, it was my fav book when I was young. Also read a lot of Jack Sparrow books. His characters have always been charming, albeit a little narcissistic. He kinda always helps others, especially when others are deprived of their rights to freedom. He hates it when people dont have freedom. So in my mind, he is chaotic neutral. Not chaotic evil or even neutral evil.
There was a princess who fell in love with him named Ayisha. And then his old pirate lover. They once had a conversation about him saying that if he is not free, then he is not Jack. It is sad because Jack only wants to be free to govern a ship. He doesn't even need to become a pirate. In his mind, he just wants to sail. (If he weren't disgusted by slavery + got branded as a pirate for not selling slaves, he would still be employed there.) The love he has is for the sea and for his ship. Then he met Barbossa. He only has limited years to be the captain of his own ship, but his ship got stolen. And that ship, he kinda revived using his own soul in a way. So i kinda understand why he was obsessed with immortality for a while. He wants time to be with his ship, sail forever, the time that was stolen from him. Not to be a pirate forever, but be with his ship forever and ever! And he never got his wish. Lol
11:28 You're misunderstanding the scene a bit. Yes Jack does betray Will and give him over to Davy jones but he does care that he did that and he does feel bad about it. He just cares more about saving himself and doesn't see another way in that moment.
Exactly, he even said he wanted Will back and he'd get looking for the souls. He even got Elizabeth to use the compass as the chest would help her save Will.
One of my favourite deleted scenes from the series is where you find out he was branded a pirate for freeing slaves, which brings such an interesting twist to his character
I usually don’t leave comments but I have to say: Cinema therapy is one of the coolest things I’ve ever stumbled across and it absolutely makes my day everytime there’s a new episode out. Both of you guys are so funny, intelligent, caring & I always learn something new that is actually interesting to me while watching you. Thank you so much ❤️ ps: props to the editors too they don’t get enough love but their edits are so freaking funny at times I can’t
Watching this made me realize that someone I once loved might have anti-social personality disorder because he showed all of those traits Jack does while we were together and just didn’t treat me well overall. Thank you for offering an explanation, it definitely offers some closure to me as to why he treated me the way he did
part 3 I agree is good but part 2 was poor. There was maybe 30 minutes worth of good story and the rest was filler, just drawn out slapstick sequences that don't advance the story in any way.
@@PrincessMeggala0913 I don’t know, I liked the 4th but that’s because I’m a fan of Ian McShane, and the 5th was also because Salazar was so good as a villain 2 being running from what was essentially death, 3 made Jones and Dalma really fascinating and really had it make sense as to why there was such a conflict there and WHY Jones was “cursed” to the Dutchman. 1 was absolutely the best for Sparrow though, it really showed his mad genius improvising for any situation But maybe I’m ignoring the bad and only focusing on the good
the fact you two can at least respect people's tastes(assuming there's no harm being done) speaks volumes about you both, and makes this show so much better than it already is.
I know it's technically a deleted scene that never made it into the films proper, but the backstory of Jack basically having to go pirate because he made the moral decision to rescue rather than traffic slaves, it cements him, for me, as an anti-hero, and certainly not a villain.
I was hoping someone would mention his backstory! It is mentioned in one of Jack's conversations with Cutler Beckett, where his Pirate branded P is referenced, and Jack says "People aren't cargo, mate." As he was branded a Pirate by Beckett for freeing those slaves.
This is one of the most interesting YT channels I have come across. It's fun, inspiring and insightful. It constantly reminds me of why I love cinema, and even though I don't really trust therapy and psychology as a science (since they're still so young and limited) it comes from an empathetic but critical point of view, which is everything you could ask for. It's serious and funny at the same time, like an honest conversation with a close friend. I love that the hosts are willing to put themselves in the spotlight and recognize their own issues and breakthroughs in the characters they're reviewing.Great quality content, well written, shot and edited. From the idea to the execution, awesome work!
Jack Sparrow is always looking out for himself with the well being of anyone else second. The way he surprises you is HOW CLOSE of a second that turns out to be.
I wish these guys did TV shows. I think Our Flag Means Death would provide a treasure trove of content for these two to take on. Between Stede's leadership style, Ed's issues with expectations and masculinity, both of their father issues, the myriad interpersonal relationships, and just everything about Izzy, there'd be so much neat stuff to discuss.
I think they are concerned about how much time would need to be invested to make each video in a TV show compared to a film. I think the only exception they have made is Firefly and that's because it's their favourite series and it started their friendship.
For someone who clearly loves the movie you guys are waaay of. Captain Jack Sparrow is a man whose life has led him to not trust anyone, and thus only look out for himself, but he clearly believes in honor and wants to do good, he simply doesn't believe he can afford it. Near the end Jack talks about how you can allways trust a liar to lie and cheat, but you must be careful about an honest man because you never know when he'll do sometuing stupid, and then he goes on to do several stupid things that ultimately serve others.
"He's willing to sell out his friend." My own sense of this character is that he can't conceive of himself failing ultimately, and that he salves whatever there is of his conscience with the thought that, when it all finally works out as he planned, then he'll rescue/repay those who he "sacrificed" in order to reach that endgame.
I'm a bit confused by the insistance that none of Jack's actions are entirely selfless while purposefully avoiding putting any of the scenes that show him as being selfless before the one where he saves Will? I mean, his saving of Elizabeth in the first movie was spurr of the moment and while he later used her for his escape, he would not have needed to if he hadn't saved her in the first place. There's also, even though I know it was deleted, the whole scene where we learn his backstory, the guy literally became a pirate due to pure selflessness and human decency. While I agree with part of the diagnosis here, I feel like it missed the biggest and most interesting part of the character which is the part that actually doesn't suit his selfish careless behaviour that shows that all of that is actually learned and not his first instinct
exactly, its not a personality disorder its ptsd from watching his crew get slaughtered then got burned and drowned alive with his ship (his only love) and dying. davy jones gave him a second chance and after that experience id develop the same opinion of "the right thing" as jack.
I don't agree. Like Gibbs points out in the first film 'He keeps things closer to the vest now' after being mutinied upon when he shared too much information with his crew. He has been screwed over a few too many times resulting in trust issues hence his selfishness. When you read up on the backstory between him & Cutler Beckett, there's a story about how he freed a ship of slaves. He had nothing to gain from that, it was just his moral compass telling him it was wrong. To me it seems Jack has always drawn the line when it comes to unneccesary voilence, he's not a cold-blooded killer. Example from the first film is where he doesn't kill Will when he stands in his way, resulting in his imprisonment. 10:48 'send me back the boy' it was never his intention to condemn Will. Even when he's ordered to collect 100 souls, he does not seem invested in the assignment that could save his life - he has his mind set on finding the chest instead. I could name many more examples from the films where his 'honest streak' does win out. He's definitely a trickster, but I would not label him anti-social.
@@XxRexorcistxX A therapist who doesn't have the full understanding of jack's character and history, yes. Someone having a degree doesn't make them right by default.
I have to disagree just because, as mentioned in the video, having ASPD does NOT equal being violent or “serial killer-like”. It’s a spectrum disorder, Jack could very easily be on the lower-middle portion of the disorder in which he frequently engages in these motivations and behaviors while still having some form of empathy or morality. It’s not an all-or-nothing type of disorder.
I’d love to hear Jono’s opinion on Jack’s backstory and how that fits in with the diagnosis of ASPD (p.s. this backstory isn’t entirely consistent with the 5th film because of the details of the compass, but it is still cannon): Jack Sparrow was a privateer for the East India Trading Company and his ship was called The Wicked Wench. Jack was told to transport some “cargo” but didn’t know what the cargo was. Once he realized it was 100 slaves, he set them go free. Beckett was mad at Jack for stealing cargo, so he branded Jack as a pirate and he burned and sank the Wicked Wench. So, Jack made a deal with Davy Jones to raise the Wicked Wench, which he renamed The Black Pearl because of the permanent burn marks on the ship, and then he embraced his role as a branded pirate. When Jack’s deal with Jones was up, Jones says the price of Jack’s soul is 100 souls because that’s how many people Jack set free.
One thing that I think is interesting is that there are a few scenes that paint Jack in a better light that were ultimately deleted. For example, in the first movie when they made it seem as though he was ready to trade Will's life for his ship, it was revealed in a deleted scene that Jack never intended to give Will to Barbosa and was only using him as leverage to get the upper hand to ultimately betray Barbosa. Then there was the very famous deleted scene in the third movie that ties into the book series showing a conversation between Jack and Beckett revealing that their falling out was caused by Jack releasing a bunch of slaves that Beckett was shipping and saying that "People aren't cargo." If those scenes would've been kept in, I think it would've led to some of his other conversations and actions to be looked at with some level of doubt. For instance, the negotiations with Davy Jones, some might think that he was just looking to buy himself time to come up with an idea rather than actually being willing to sacrifice 100 people including Will.
Not sure I've ever disagreed with you before, but I gotta say I kinda do in this case. Especially since At Worlds End is my favourite of the trilogy. Anyway, I feel as though Jack does have good in him, as people have already pointed out he became a pirate because he refused to ferry slaves, he values freedom. He gives up immortality to save Will and he immediately jumped into the water to save Elizabeth in the first film. I'm not saying he isn't selfish, but I think he acts far more selfish than he actually is. Then again I'm not an actual psyciatrist so I'm probably way off the mark haha.
The scene of Jack Sparrow settig foot on the dock of Port Royal had such a big impact on my developing brain to the point where it impinges on the way I get off escalators until the day I die.
As somebody who appreciates an expensive joke, $50,000 is worth it for an opening that is so iconic that all these years later it still makes you laugh
1) I'm not totally convinced by APD. Jack's backstory (shown in deleted scenes) with the 100 souls and why he BECAME a pirate is literally because he was tasked by the government with ferrying slaves as cargo and he refused, instead setting them free. "People aren't cargo, mate." That was literally an act that cost him his beloved ship, his life of legitimacy, etc., and thus doesn't fit into the description of "Can do good things if they don't affect him negatively" that you guys suggested. He can definitely be a bit self-centered, but I feel like, most of the time, that's him playing the villain he's now expected to be - which is also, I think, Elizabeth's stance in believing he's a good man playing a part. He's also very obviously got alcoholism, and a lot of his impulsive and short-sighted behaviour could be traced back to that. 2) Elizabeth' Swan's "very sexy CBT" is not something that should be said by anyone with a grasp of internet culture. It has a second meaning, you sweet summer souls.
Thank you for the education. I didn't go there because Cognitive Behavior Therapy was the 'set up' virtually given in the video. But I do appreciate the new knowledge
The 'majority' of his actions fit into it perfectly, however that doesn't mean he never has urges that would bely that point. They do say towards the end that most have a desire for human connection 'deep' down and certain things can bring it to the surface. It's entirely plausible that someone with APD would still be stirred into thinking that selling people as slaves is a bit much. It could also have started as a point where he tried to sway their minds initially, but the action itself is then what 'cost' him those things. This in itself would cause you to withdraw further, as the one time you 'tried' to help others, you lost everything. It would make you less willing to do so in the future. That said... I don't agree that self-preservation should count as APD. Will saved his life, yes. But that doesn't mean any person without APD would be willing to give up a potential eternity serving the Dutchman after death for it. Even if it were a single life for a single life, saving someone else doesn't indebt you into giving up your life for theirs in the future, but even less so in this case when you're talking a life for a soul. I feel any sane person would do anything within their power to avoid that fate.
On the topic of pirates, I think a cinema therapy episode on Our Flag Means Death (and mainly the several relationships in it) would be really great. Just a suggestion, great job on this video too
I clicked on this so fast. But id love for you to do Rumpelstiltskin from the once upon a time tv series. And how his character growth went throughout the series. His and Regina's psychological make up would be so interesting to hear about.
Oh my god yes there are so much to talk about in this show, Gold, Regina, and also the repeated theme of abandonment I don't really like the last seasons but I still love the show
Sadly theyve stated (several times bc avatar the last airbender fans keep bring it up) that they wont do videos for series unless theyre very short. i.e. about 10 episodes max, such as they did for WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Because those only total about 10 hours of runtime usually less, a manageable amount to binge and edit together clips from. Whereas shows like Avatar and Once... we're talking well over 20 hours of runtime
I think there is a moment that the guys didnt to talk about and that is Jack saving Elisabeth at the beginning of the first movie. Jack is chatting up the two dumb soldiers and sees Elisabeth fall into the water. He asks the soldiers if they're going to save her (which is in line with his selfish nature to have them risk their necks before his) but when they say they can't swim Jack jumps in to save her without hesitation. If he really didn't want to risk his neck he could have lied and said he couldn't swim neither and let her drown. Granted you could say that he saved her to get out of trouble with the guards but at that point Jack was just chatting with them (probably to charm them into letting him on the ship) but he didn't seem to be in any trouble anymore. He also gave all of his valuable possessions to the guards, including his hat, while showing his selfishness as hes wasting time making sure he doesn't lose them in the water he's also risking them at the same time since he might not get them back from the guards. There was no real benefit to saving her but he did it anyway. I think it's the first hint that Jack isn't as terrible as he thinks he is.
3:33 "That's worth ten million dollars" -- I don't know if we all even appreciate just _how_ badass Sparrow is being here. I of course remembered the sinking boat and the step to the pier... But I had never even noticed the bit where he jumps down, bails out some amount of water, then *_jettisons_*_ the bailing bucket_ and climbs back up the mast. I don't know, maybe you need to be a "Math Person" to fully appreciate this. But... The timing of the boat sinking just as it reaches the pier... That didn't "just happen", Sparrow had to have _calculated_ the exact correct amount of water to bail out, to make it work out just right. Taking into account the speed of the boat, the distance to the pier, the rate water is leaking in, the dimensions of the boat, the size of the bailing bucket, the height of the mast, etc... Do you see how _hard_ of a *math problem* this is? We all remember "word problems" from elementary math, but have you ever seen one like this? (I sure haven't.): "Your boat is making three knots toward the pier, which is 340 yards away. There's currently 120 gallons of water inside the boat, lowering it by six inches, and you're taking on water at a rate of 14 gallons per minute. The crow's nest is eight yards above the waterline. How many times should you fill and empty your gallon-and-a-half bailing bucket, to ensure that the crow's nest ends up level with the pier, which is a yard and a half above the water, exactly when it's one yard away?" Bail too _few_ bucketsful, and you'll be underwater before you reach the pier. But, bail too _many,_ and your boat will *ram* the pier, which would also be suboptimal. Sparrow *calculates* all of this, in his head, in just a few seconds. And then, is so _confident_ that he got it right, that he *throws the bucket away.* I'm afraid most people think -- as I did until just now -- that the whole jumping down to bail water bit is just there too introduce his "majestic/ridiculous" aspects. Let's also appreciate how it shows him to be a really, *really* good sailor.
It’s interesting that was your take as he was rowing away. I always thought he just couldn’t stomach seeing the Pearl go down. The Pearl was the thing he valued most straight from the first movie
I love all your therapy commentary but I want more filmmaking commentary! As an actor in the industry, I love hearing the specific things in the production that y'all notice! 👍😊
I absolutely LOVE the PotC movies, even the more recent ones; yes, they're full of problems, but they have their charm. One of the things I like is that Jack does have a character progression, he learns that the relationships he makes can be important to him and fulfilling and not something to be afraid of, which is something his ASPD in the first one is masking. Elizabeth is ultimately correct, that deep down there was more to him, just at the time, she knew he wasn't prepared to do what they actually needed of him, hence handcuffing him to the ship and ensuring he did the right thing regardless. And Jonathan could totally pull off Elizabeth's style of aggresive CBD... on me at any rate! ;D
One of my favourite Jack Sparrow scenes is actually one that wasn't in the film. It was from At World's End where Jack is brought to Beckett, and he talks about The Black Pearl and Jack's past with him. It's revealed during this scene that Jack freed Slaves from his ship, which resulted in Beckett setting fire to the Pearl then known as The Wicked Wench and sinking it and branding Jack as a pirate, revealing that Jack is capable of empathy.
I actually love 2 and 3 a bit more than 1 (I still love the first one) because Will & Elizabeth are stronger and everything is more chaotic and interesting I think. Also Beckett and Davy Jones are amazing antagonists. I love that no one is pure evil or pure good (not Barbossar, Norrington, Davy Jones, Cutler Beckett or Calypso). Elizabeth's arc is amazing if you ask me. She started as a damsel and ended as pirate king. And again she isn't really good because she killed Jack. I love the island scene at the beginning of the second movie and the fight later when everyone is against everyone - just pure perfect chaos. I really appreciate that the movies don't shy away from killing characters because otherwise it's boring / predictable (but I was very sad that Norrington died anyway). It's true, Jack is a very refreshing character. I think he doesn't need to become a full hero because that's not him, but I love to see his development. He really cares about the Black Pearl (I see this ship as a literal character in the movies or like a metaphor for his freedom and soul). The moments when he come back to the fight in movie 2 or when he saved Will are gold. What can I say I just love these movies. Every character has so much personality and the pirate vibe makes me want to be one myself. I honestly pretend like movie 4 and 5 don't exist because they don't get the feeling or vibe of the first 3. The fourth seems to have very odd and unnessecary writing and the fifth is an over-produced cinema movie with big moments and effects but it lost its personality and soul on its way. And I really missed important characters and iconic lines.
I was about to make a comment like this. I genuinely don't understand what the major criticisms of 2 and 3 are. Every character is so well written that they can just have them all angling for their various self interests and yet it all comes together into something that makes sense. The scene where the 6 of the meet of the beach to negotiate is just an amazing culmination of storytelling, because if you'd said to someone at the start of the movie that at some point Will and Elizabeth are going to be on opposing sides of a conflict, allied with the various villains, it'd be a stretch to believe. But you watch these movies and see these characters interests and motivations get tangled together and it just makes sense. And it's perfectly in tune with the whole thematics of piracy- alliances are temporary and a matter of convenience, even for the good guys. It helps a lot that every major role (and most of the minor ones) are delivered so well that you're left with a whole host of unique and memorable performances, not just Depp. Barbossa, Calypso, Gibbs, Davy Jones, Beckett, Bill Turner... they're all just great. Even Jack's dad left an impression and he's on screen for five minutes.
@@TM1337FalconPunch IKR every character has a strong and unique development that makes sense for them so they build up their own morals and goals. They all have unique personalities, sometimes they agree, sometimes they don't. I love it
I watched movie 5 in the theaters and remember nothing good. The best part I remember was the cool effects of the "underwater hair" for the... antagonist guy, I think.
I actually had a flatmate with very similar character traits to Jack Sparrow. Charming guy, but his habit of using people and burning bridges has left him estranged from his family, friendless, unemployed and homeless. He (of course) blames everyone else for “abandoning” him (when they put up their boundaries to say “enough”). I tried to get him into therapy, but he wasn’t interested - kept saying it was everyone else who was the problem.
If you haven't yet you guys should do one on Davy Jones (and his relationship with Calypso). I always found it so interesting/complex and would love to hear your breakdown.
I love this! I have an OC who has ASPD, and I end up redeeming the character by having it shown to him that by hurting his partner, the only individual he has ever loved, he lost that person. THAT is what motivates him to change. People and characters with ASPD fascinate me. They’re people just like you and I, they just don’t feel the same emotions or react to situations in the same way we do.
Oh cool your OC sounds really interesting. I’ve actually been trying to write a character with the symptoms of ASPD (I say symptoms as he’s technically not old enough for diagnosis and his backstory works best if he’s not currently 18)
I think, for Jack, freedom is more important than anything, even his own personal gain. Sure, he sent Will to Davy Jones, but as the movies show, things just usually go Jack's way, so there's no reason he wouldn't think "I can just get him back later." with no harm done.
Jack is one of the best characters ever created. at least in he first movie and the first 3. but just how iconic he became... it's truly amazing how beloved he is. i remember seeing the first one in cinema as a little girl and you just knew, he was the coolest dude you had ever seen.
Jack sparrow is definately a hilarious character, depp sure did it great. Yeah, that intro totally introduces his mentality perfect. He keeps his head when everything is just goin to hell... and just walks away intact, maybe a bit shaken, but epic presence.
I'm really surprised that THAT was how you read Jack Sparrow. Especially after you analyzed a character like Loki, and all the masks and illusions and confidence that he puts up as a defense. (Jack is practically a trickster-god, himself) Jack has had some really terrible things happen to him, his ship, his crew, and he could let it break him, break down and cry, or- pick himself up, carry on with his pride, and do something about it. It might look, on the outside, like he doesn't care or that it doesn't affect him, but his actions are 'all evidence to the contrary.' When Jack "sells out Will" he immediately asks for him back so he can go hunt those 100 souls. It was never Jack's plan to lose Will. During the movies, the worst things that ever happen to Jack are when his 'friends' don't believe in him, don't trust him, don't have faith in him, or don't follow his plan. Jack is absolutely the friend everyone would be lucky to have.
Interestingly enough, what you describe doesn't disprove him possibly having aspd. You are right in pointing out his traits that we read as morally positive - selflessness and good intentions. The implication reads like these good examples disprove their diagnosis. At the same time, cinema therapy highlighting Jack's negative traits and decisions reads as if these are "proof" of the diagnosis. I would argue that they are correct to identify traits in Jack that correlate with aspd and that you are correct in pointing out instances that can indicate other explanations for his behavior. What I want to point out though is that having aspd doesn't translate to someone being a person no one wants to be around. A person with aspd can be exactly the person you and a bunch of other people appreciate in their life. It doesn't translate to negative behavioral traits. The disorder comes with certain dispositions that can (!) potentially lead to difficulty in a variety of social situations, it doesn't have to - at least not for the social circle as the person with the disposition can put in a lot of work as to not get into trouble, socially. I really think this is overlooked in these discussions. Aspd doesn't translate to "do generally not care". Therefore although Jack might not have it, he can have moral standards and care about concepts and people and be occasionally "selfless" and still show aspd traits. When you consider that even the concept of selflessness can be considered and understood from an egoistic perspective, there is always room for interpretation from different angles
@@huemins Thanks for pointing that out. I shouldn't prejudice aspd as bad, full stop. I don't know enough about it. I'm certainly nowhere near as well-read on the subject as these guys (and I suspect, you), and I was wrong to think that way.
@@simonashtear2739 Nah, it's cool to have discussions and we all have our prejudices, no shame in that. Thanks for caring about the point I was trying to make. I just know someone with the diagnosis who is struggling with this and as having been diagnosed with npd myself, i can relate when it comes to a dominant and narrow "image" being attached to a diagnosis that doesn't represent the diversity in people's social behavior. I also have a hopefully healthy amount of skepticism towards such diagnoses myself so I can also relate to your original comment :) all cool
Maybe they were mad at the actor and it interfered. Jack does not have ASPD. Also, even ''professionals'' can be wrong, and therapists are arguably the least well read in comparison to psychologists for example.
I love watching you, and I love your analysis of characters. I'm in no way a licensed therapist like Jonathan. HOWEVER. I feel like it's pretty difficult to apply modern diagnosis to characters in a story set in a very different time, with very different social structures and very different stakes. Not saying anything said in the video is right or wrong, but I feel like in our time, we have gained the privilege to see morality in shades of grey, whereas in times where you can never be sure if you will live to see another day, I too would be much much much more selfish than I am today, and would most likely meet most points of the given diagnosis solely due to circumstance.
Jack fits more of the wild card character type than the anti-hero one, I'd say. Very much a character that switches between being the hero and villain depending on which way the wind blows and what happens to be convenient at the time.
I love psychology of a hero/villain so much. You guys break things down so we’ll, but without being too serious. I could watch y’all on a loop all day, your channel gives me so much serotonin
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@@Elisabeht-Swandoubt that 1 20-minute episode has enough psychology content for them to do an analysis video though. Is it that good by the way? I heard that it broke some sort of ranking record with just 1 episode, and I always wary of those works that get popular too quickly, as they tend to be disappointing more often than not in my opinion
You should do the last one as well because of learning about young Jack Sparrow.
im sad aout what they did to Jing Xie (misstress cheng?) If you look at the history of her she was based on an Chineese pirat woman who kind of was the best, most successful pirate EVER. She got to keeep all her riches,was parderned from her crimes and died retired surounded by her family a free rich woman becuse it was more important to stop herthan to punnishher she was THAT good! She allowed, and suported Gay marrage,health ensurrance and fair wage. She also realized that there was more money andlesscrew lost if they just told people "pay us and wave the port fee when we dock and we will spare you from dying" (at our hands).
@@hypnotherapy69 Eh, I would be very careful about asserting that anyone in the 19th century supported gay marriage. You are, unfortunately, spreading bad history.
I think you might need to be a bit more careful with your phrasing because something tells me you don't know what the rest of the internet uses the acronym CBT for and as a Hint it doesn't mean cognitive behavioral therapy
One quote from Jack that I think sheds a lot of light on his moral compass and where he draws a line is "People aren't cargo". He was initially branded as a pirate for his refusal to be involved in slave trade.
Isn’t that from a deleted scene?
@@Sharay98 It is. However, the book that Disney considers jack's canon backstory is all about him refusing to trade in Black Gold AKA Slade Trade. His whole original crew is killed in front of him and the Black Pearl is only named that because she set alight by Beckett.
@@Sharay98 To add to Ni Dawn's comment: Beckett sets the Pearl on fire, and this is when Jack makes the deal with Davy Jones to get the ship back and be her captain.
@@sakurauchiha1111 what’s the name of it? It I’ve tried to find it
@@MyrthexLatoya Also, if I'm not mistaken, Jack set free 100 slaves, so Davy Jones demanding that he bring him "100 souls" is a sick mockery of his attempt at morality. Now he has to gather 100 "slaves" to give to Jones
I love rewatching the first movie and just being reminded of how Jack always seems like he's just steps ahead and (even as quoted in the movie) it's so hard to tell if he actually plans it all out in advance, or literally just wings it and is just THAT good at judging spontaneous situations and making equally as spontaneous decisions. It's so fascinating and entertaining and it never gets old.
I don't understand why people hated the later movies. I loved all of them.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong I only kinda disliked the 5th one. Jack Sparrow sounded different, and felt way more frenetic than in the other 4. The whole charm of Jack Sparrow is that he was always somehow in control, and I feel like the last one felt a bit too far removed from that.
@@AstrumG2V I totally agree. I liked all 5 movies and will sometimes have little marathons on rainy days, but the 5th one did feel a bit more disconnected when it came to Jack. Maybe because it was a different chapter of sorts with Henry and Carina? And Jack really wasn't the main focus too much in that movie? Regardless, I sometimes depate on if it would have been too disconnected to remove his character completely, which would suck because his character, wit, and humor in the darker situations is what makes those movies sometimes!
@Sang Jae Kouwenberg yeah, someone made a video about why the 5th one Jack is not as good. mostly what i can remember is his reaction just feels dry, feels out of character.
“Do you think he plans it all out..or just makes it up as he goes along?”
I can never get tired of Jack's introduction. Watching him lose everything but the clothes on his back in front of the whole pier then waltz in like he owns the place just destroys me every time.
That taught me a great lesson.
That taught me a great lesson.
It was so great what they did with the music being so epic and the camera how they have it zoomed in on him to make it seem like he’s at the top of a huge ship only for it to slowly zoom out and see it’s actually just a small boat. Great introduction to a legend of a character
Jack actually has a kind of tragic backstory that unfortunately was left on the cutting room floor. We see that his father was a pirate, one of the best in fact. But in the deleted scenes of At World's End we learn that Jack tried going straight and joined the EITC. Until Beckett wanted him to deliver a ship full of slaves. Presumably the ones standing outside of Tia Dalma's hut and mourning him in Dead Man's Chest. After doing the right thing and leaving the life of piracy, he does the right thing again and returns to the life of piracy. And his reward was Beckett hunting him down, branding him, and sinking him along with his own ship. So he made a deal with the devil and got his ship back. He embraced the life of piracy. And when he tried to do the right thing one more time and be honest with his new crew about the treasure they were hunting, they mutinied him and left him to die a horrible death by marooning.
So yes he developed a personality disorder. Yes he became selfish. Yes he stopped caring about what happens to others so long as it doesn't cost him much.
"...and a hard earned lesson it was."
What was the treasure he was hunting with his new crew that caused the mutiny?
@@tgbluewolf The cursed gold from the first movie
interstingly enough: he still acted in others favour in the movies, actually in every single movie he did stuff that doesnt only benefit him when egotism couldve been easier.
so THATS why they zoomed in on the branding on jack's skin but never explained it. thanks.
I didn't think about that! I was wondering who all the folks around Tia Dalma were: that would make sense
I feel like the climax of At World's End is the most compelling showcase fo Jack's psychology- not just in him giving up his immortality to save Will, but the range of emotions he shows in the aftermath of that, going from frustrated and curt to quietly happy once he sees that it actually worked.
I think he was nurtured to be the way he is. He is not a psychopath. But a self taught sociopath. He's capable of empathy and does not have overly superficial emotions, he's just likely to disregard it most of the time.
@@adrianaslund8605 phenomenally put! I couldn’t agree more.
Another factor to consider here is that Jack isn't just losing something - giving up this chance of immortality - he's also gaining something - he's beating Davy Jones on all counts - not just killing him but also depriving him of his revenge. Jones killing Will is a defeat for Jack and a victory for Jones because Jones outdid Jack at his own game - Jack thought he understood the rules and what the possibilities were, and Jones did the thing Jack hadn't predicted - only by undoing that, could Jack actually win.
I was just thinking about that moment thinking how sweet it was of him to save Will and give up his dream opportunity to do it. It always brings a tear to my eye watching that beautiful scene.
As he succinctly put it in the fourth movie, he had stirrings…
One detail that often goes unnoticed about Jack's introduction is the fact that he knew exactly how much water to scoop out of the boat in order to make it to the dock. It's a detail that's easily overshadowed by the humor of the situation, which in an of itself is really good foreshadowing for Jack's character as a whole: very smart, and an exceptionally good pirate, who is often underestimated because of how silly he portrays himself.
To me that intro scene comes across as funny, a great introduction, haha the boat fell but he still made it and looks confident. But it also shows just how good of a sailor he is, he managed to get that boat from god knows where in that condition all the way to the port and he was right on target, that is incredibly impressive and shows he’s a phenomenal sailor
A group of girls in my high school psychology gave a presentation on anti-social personality disorder. You guys described it as a lack of a moral compass, they described it as the thing that makes you a serial killer. I needed the wake-up call that, while many serial killers do have aspd, not everyone with aspd is a serial killer. Thank you.
Also, fun note, there’s a video online of a woman who ran around Disneyland like Jack Sparrow. She found the Jack Sparrow character, and they ran together. Pure dopamine.
And plenty of serial killers had a moral compass. Just not one that aligns with most people's.
@@Jane-oz7pp You're taking the "lack of moral compass" thing to literally. People with anti-social personality disorder also have a "moral compass," but their "moral compass" points them in the direction of doing things that are popularly considered or objectively immoral. There is nobody on earth who has _no_ "moral compass" whatsoever, except like babies I guess.
If you need the phrase to be more precise, you could say they have a "lack of a _functioning_ moral compass."
@@GoddoDoggo Amoral and Imoral.
An Amoral entity is one without morals or ethics, they just do things, something largely impossible in sapient life. Imoral people understand morality, they likely have their own moral standards, but most of us see those morals as evil.
Do you know what that video might be called per-chance?
@Dog God I don't think that's quite true. Ones moral compass might value the self above all, and that seems to be the case for ASPD, or, at least, Jack Sparrow.
Theoretically, though, one could exist who is apathetic about all things: their own life, other people's, animals, plants, objects, anything. That would be a person without a moral compass, though I doubt many exist, since it would make existence very difficult
My best friend was diagnosed with APD. Watching this video made me realize I was his “Elizabeth”. It was tough. He always had these glimpses of humanity but generally used his charm and intelligence to manipulate people and situations around him. I cut him off for two years. Everyone around him had enough and broke away. I think that was a huge turning point for him to realize he needed people more than he thought. We reconnected with an ultimatum: If you ever lie to me again, even once, I will never speak to you again. The two year break made it clear I was serious. And now we’re good. I’m his kids’ godmother. We spend four hours on the phone at a time. I can’t speak to his experience but it’s interesting to think about our relationship from this perspective.
As someone scared because I'm worried I have APD I'm glad to know there might be hope.
I had a similar experience, only with a not-so-happy ending. I feel you.
@@ZiddersRooFurry If you're worried about having AsPD, it's because you care about how your AsPD will affect the people around you and how it could make you hurt them, right? If you were very bad off, you would be thinking "Yeah, I have AsPD, who cares? If other people were as smart as me, they would have it too!" (Much the same as with NPD.) One can have tendencies of a disorder without actually having the full disorder. But from the fact that you're worrying like this, I would say you are more likely to have something in the anxious cluster like Avoidant Personality Disorder. AvPD makes a lot of people fear they have something more severe (like AsPD) or that they're just broken.
I have a similar experience with a few different people. And I feel like what that shows is people with personality disorders (pretty much any kind, not just ASPD), they can learn rules and boundaries. It takes a lot of effort, and it doesn’t happen often, but it is possible.
@@ZiddersRooFurry There is always hope. Like any other condition, it just takes work. The work needs to be specialized to you and what you need to move forward, but it's 100% possible if you're willing to look inward and see needed changes. Don't give up
I believe the reason that people love Jack so much is because he ALWAYS does the right thing in the end. How he gets there is usually questionable, but if you are a part of his crew he is going to do right by you in the end. At least post movies, before the movies he seemed to be a different person.
The characters we root for are just the ground his seeds will to grow. You could really split the character into multiple ones, and just showing how they all fail in same situations where Jack lucks out. His luck is like 10/10 but some force keeps rocking it so that he has to keep going, almost as constant as the God of the sea.
I mean could she even stop him? I guess he would end up biting his tongue, but then again get flung out to temporary safety to recover.
It really is like he is cursed with absolute karma or something.
I mean, pre movies he was a young guy who signed on with the East India Trading Company, he'd do a cargo run and get a ship to do further cargo runs with, he found out the cargo was slaves, and objected rather vehemently to this. He freed them, and was branded a pirate for that 'theft'. It's not THAT long after that when he would've led the Pearl toward the Isla De Muerta.
Yeah, I completely disagree with their take. It works if you take the surface level of the character, but not deeper. I've known truly horrible people. Those that can be charming, but will *always* do what's best for them. For the most part, people despise them, except for those they've charmed. There's nothing about them that redeems them, or makes *feel* human. Even from the first movie, it's hinted that Jack has much more going on underneath. Not because it's explicitly stated, but by expression and body language. The "arrogance" of Jack, to me, felt far more like justified confidence.
What they are called a character arc, felt just like poor writing. Jack is written consistently up until the fourth movie. It was then that they wrote him to be a more bumbling fool than someone who actually strategized. In the first movie, he was written like the story of the drunken monk. He would disarm people by letting them underestimate him, but he used that against them in the end. That was the whole point of, "You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest." Jack *knows* people. He's very perceptive, the stunts do work with out taking in all of his surroundings, and he's very intelligent. You can't steal ships in the way he did without knowing a hell of a lot about sailing, swordsmanship, naval strategy et ect.
By the fourth movie, it seemed all of that was ignored to make Jack more the butt of the jokes, than the one making the jokes. Was that due to his personal life and friction with Hollywood? No idea. But I will say that their "disclaimer" that they don't take sides and can like a work without liking the person... That was disgusting. Anyone who actually watched the Depp v. Heard trial saw that he was the abuse victim, *not her*! As a therapist supposedly pointing out red flags of relationships in movies, how they missed that I'll never know. Heard had zero actual evidence of injuries, while Johnny's finger was CUT OFF! Changing the color balance of a photo does not a bruise make. She made him lie on camera in Australia, I'm sad they didn't follow up with charges.
I don't get it. The entire six week trial is online for anyone to watch. Yet people pick up the tidbits that main stream media showed and made her to be the victim. I could go on with all the inconsistencies that followers of the trial found with her story, but it's not even a close difference of opinion. She lied. She lost all three counts. Johnny won two and the one charge he lost didn't even have anything to do with him, it was about what the lawyer said as defamation.
Dude with license is a moron and slow. He relies on his emotions instead of what really is. All movies established him as a good man. He only screws over the bad people and does right by the good ones. The fact that he's surrounded by bad people and still does good shows he really couldn't be bad no matter how much of a scumbag he is.
@@chesneymigl4538 I would go even further than that and say that their personal life is generally not our business. I know that a lot of people will disagree with that. I find that people are too judgemental these days and have really high expectations of people that don't really align with reality.
It's hilarious rewatching the first 2 movies and seeing Jack just repeatedly telling the truth and just STATING his plans, but because of his character and just how he dupes everyone, no one believes him. So when he says in the third movie when he says, "I do that quite a lot actually, yet people are always suprised" makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE in hindsight
It was the second movie.
Everyone praises the comedy and the effects of the pirates movies. But truly, the best part of the movies IS THE MUSIC. Just Han Zimmer, man. Every note just hits just right.
Yes!
And noticing when to hype up and change the pirate theme to a more serious tone. It was so amazing yet keeping with the traditional old sound we all know and love. You hear it when that first hero shot of him uses the gun to stand up to the kraken. Great job!
Zimmer's a big part of the success of Inception, too.
Amen tbh. And Yoko Shimamura’s arrangements of his work for the Pirates world in KH3 are equally amazing.
I literally commented the exact thing.
3:45 talking about Jack's character building in his intro scene, the shot left out that really speaks volumes about this man is the way he stops bailing out his boat to pay his respects to the dead bodies left hanging as a warning to other pirates. He recognizes and respects his fellow pirate.
I have always loved Jack's intro. It isn't just funny. He says only one sentence, but between that and everything else, we learn pretty much everything we really need to know about him.
There is also an exchange late in the first movie that, I think, says it all about Jack.
Elizabeth: "Whose side is Jack on?"
Will: "Right now?"
And. in all fairness to Jack, it is never like he lies about his motives. He is actually quite upfront about it.
Jacks intro says what the whole character is about. 😏
Here comes a man of dignitiy, wits & humor. A man who tries to encounter the worlds harshness & cruelty with lightheartedness & empathy.
A man of greatness but in the end still only a single man who has weaknesses and tries to live a life of freedom regardless of the contempt it might come with.
A character of wisdom & knowledge and who only has one wish in his life and that is to be free. 🏴☠👋⛵
It's the honest ones you got to watch out for... honestly.
Me? I'm dishonest. You can always trust someone who is dishonest, honestly. It's the honest ones you have to watch out for.
@@goosegaming6548you can always trust dishonest people to be dishonest, dimwit
one of my favorite one liners in the series is in the second movie when Elizabeth confronts Jack about Will's whereabouts- and after realising who she is- turns to Gibbs and says "hide the rum"
Yes! I love that part 😂
@@suzanneh975 I've often had a visual of Jack, coming across a bottle of modern-day Captain Morgan rum, making a scoffing sound, and saying, "Looks nothing like the chap." (4/18/2023)
I'm waiting for the day they name a rum after Jack.
Our man is traumatized 😂😂😂
@@daniellemusella1594 That would actually make a fantastic commercial for Captain Morgan rum. They should make it and air it during the Super Bowl.
I’d say Jack is a man who plays the role of being a heartless pirate, but he tends to save the day because in his heart of hearts he can’t help himself. He does care and he wants Swan and Turner to be okay.
Okay, I can't not say it: you guys mischaracterized Jack in the first film. The Jack we meet isn't the Jack he was ten years earlier and that's the point. He trusted Barbossa and did the right thing by his crew, and was mutinied on, even by his friend Bootstrap. He did the (relatively) right thing and was punished for it.
From that point on, Jack developed a more selfish and cynical philosophy. The writers point to it a few times, especially near the end of the film, when (after Jack risks his chance at freedom to help Will and Elizabeth and help save the crew of the Dauntless) the new crew of the Pearl steal Jack's ship and abandon him to be executed. And he says this:
"They done what's right by them. You can't expect more than that."
Jack does have an arc in that film but it's about relearning to trust other people to have his back, not about wanting something that isn't a ship. For all his selfishness and cowardice, Jack frequently does the right thing (like saving Elizabeth from drowning instead of just stealing a ship) but is always immediately punished for it. That's like, *his thing*.
I know that I am no expert, however I do believe that their diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder is incorrect. I would submit that Jack learned to behave as if he had ASPD as a defense mechanism following being mutinied. His trust was broken and thus decided to no longer trust others and reject any kind of bond, most often by manipulating people. Despite this there were many points all throughout the series that you can see him choosing a path that would not as easily benefit him in favor of one that would better benefit someone else.
A scene that always stays in my mind is the scene where he tells Will that his father was a pirate. I think that someone with ASPD would probably avoid antagonizing the person who is your bargaining chip and prone to fits of emotion. Yet Jack takes the time to try and broaden Will's perception of what being a pirate is and, more importantly, is not.
"For instance, you can accept that your father was a pirate and a good man or you can't. But pirate is in your blood, boy, so you'll have to square with that some day." If Jack was unconcerned with Will as a person then he never would have tried to help him resolve one of his internal conflicts.
I think you're right actually, sometimes people are forced to become harder in dire situations
A good example of the theme you mention is when Elizabeth betrays him in the second movie and, by the third, he can't believe anyone would come to his rescue so he assumes everyone is a hallucination
Also there is that fan theory that Jack was a slave ship captain who decided to free his cargo; hence Davy Jones demanding 100 souls for him.
I can't quite put a finger on it, cause I watched movies quite a while ago, but I remember I had an impression Jack PRETENDED that he was a selfish asshole, while he also did the right thing. And even if my opinion is incorrect, the guys not acknowledging the times when his immediate actions seem dastardly, but then he pursues the right thing, makes feel the analysis seem shallow. And with a character like Jack, who is heavily shrouded in dishonesty, lies and deception, the exploration of declared action and intents, and actual actions and actual outcomes is vital.
Is a man that says he will do bad things, appears as he would do bad things, but actually does the right thing, actually a bad man?
I'm not saying there isn't value in being honest, but that's another thing.
That's just your guys' interpretation of Jack. Just like what Jono and Allen did is their interpretation of Jack.
The slave ships thing isn't just a fan theory, it is a deleted scene
What’s sad is most people don’t catch his origin story or his full story of what happened to Jack and it makes his entire character sad.
Born a pirate, he tried to leave the cruelty of it and joined a trading company since he still loved seaward adventure, but when the trading company ordered him to transfer 100 slaves to slave owners (and be rewarded with the ship) he instead set the slaves free and ran with the ship. The company hunted him down, and they tied him to his burning and sinking ship. Davy Jones interrupted his drowning death, offering him his life and the ship for a steep price. He accepted, but when he went looking for legendary gold, his own crew betrayed him.
No wonder he doesn’t care about doing good for others anymore, look at what it cost him.
Where did his origin come from?
@@archivist_13 I might have which specific movie mixed up, but I believe it is subtly but clearly implied in At World’s End and Dead Men Tell No Tales.
When Jack is in Beckett’s office (I think he was wanting Jack’s compass or Jack was going to get it back) Beckett says something along the lines of “You could have been successful in my industry and had your own fleet had you shipped my cargo instead of steal it.” And Jack says something like “Well, people aren’t cargo mate.” Beckett also at some point says that he had hunted Jack down and thought he killed him after sinking his ship. That’s when he would’ve met Jones.
Wow...
@@am3thystsat World's End
I asked an LMFT I know about his perspective on personality disorders once, and his understanding is that they are deeply-rooted coping mechanisms that kind of take you over, so the trauma of Jack's backstory actually makes a lot of sense in the context of ASPD. To be fair, I know VERY LITTLE about ASPD and I'm not a trained nor educated in psychology.
I was diagnosed with ASPD in my teenage years and waking up to the things I would do to folks to get my way was heavy. Changing my values was crucial to someone like me becoming the high-functioning person I am today. I still recognize things that I do or won't do that are deeply tied to being ASPD. I teach a class once a month. Many times, I won't even plan for it. I'll read the material minutes before I have to give the class and it always works out. My wife hates that I have this ability, and takes issue with others giving me praise for this. I recognize that this is tied to my experience with impulsivity. I'm careful and hyper-conscious that when I am trying to convince someone of something, I don't come off as manipulative. Thank you for showing that a person with ASPD can still be a hero...of some sort.
@@NeggieKnight Living up to the handle. I like it! 👌🏽
I think Jack is a genuinely good man, occasionally. I think that sometimes, he acts out of compassion for others on impulse. He’s self-absorbed, unreliable and flighty, but I think he certainly has a (if inconsistent) sense of empathy.
He does what he wants because he wants it, and sometimes, he wants someone else to be happy.
Yeah, I didn’t like the takeaways this video has- they take what Jack SAYS at face value. Jack absolutely DOES plan, he just doesn’t always have the chance to- there’s complexities here that just can’t be defined by a diagnosis.
I don't think we should judge captain Jack Sparrow like a sober person. He's not just drunk, not just exaggerating being extra drunk. He does seem kinda emotionally detached however. I think due to the pirate live of combining hedonism with enormous amounts of stress he's high of his rocker on anything he can get his hands on.
Like he's trying to numb his trauma's and overall emotions to make life easier in a world that is full of death, treachery and all kinds of pain.
The result is a person that is somewhat erratic. Flipflopping between total selfish and sometimes all selfless.
Let's remember the times where all kinds of substances were way more legal than now. Especially amongst criminals themselves.
He literally became got branded as a pirate because he didn’t think people were cargo
@@MeloraCarabasNot to mention, his selflessness got him branded as a Pirate in the first place.
@@BleedingLiar17 yah while he may nlt be the best person morally, he had some morals and gky bsckstabbed a few times himself which probably made his problems worse
The reason Captain Jack Sparrow is a pirate is because "People aren't cargo", so I don't think that his actions and behaviors are entirely self serving but with a measured amount of clinical detachment
i love that because Jack freed 100 people (Cargo),Davy jones asked Him for 100 Souls
I had a friend who was very into social justice causes, yet had textbook ASPD (undiagnosed, sadly). She loved the attagirls for what she did.
@@maryeckel9682 Undiagnosed
Or the reason he lost all respect for playing fair is because the laws of his society were revolting.
@@brannontirin he works his selfishness into his selflessness. The sequence of events was that Jack upon realizing he was carrying slaves set them free, which resulted in him being branded a traitor and burned with his ship. Davy Jones offered to bring him and his ship back with the deal of giving him a crew worth of souls within a certain amount of time. Jack would then head to a place with the cursed gold and an attempt to stay alive without compromise by attaining immortality. A mutiny happened which resulted in him being stranded and Bill being drowned. He would then routinely help people under the pretense they would help him later. He’s a coward, liar and cheater but for the good of himself and often others who wrap themselves up with him.
Jack values freedom above everything and what was disappointing was that they decided to delete the scene that describes what turned him to piracy in the second movie (now has been retconned) where he used to work for the ETC as a captain but released people who were gonna be sold into slavery. “People aren’t cargo mate”. It just rounds out his character so much better.
That moment was made canon in a book called “The Price of Freedom” iirc. I 100% agree with you on the implications of that scene as well. Jack was a truly good person for letting the slaves go free, but that decision cost him his life as he once knew it. It forced him back into a world that rebels against society, which eventually allowed him to be his true authentic self once again. He even expresses gratitude to Beckett for that moment in that same deleted scene.
One of the most interesting parts about Jack in the first one specifically is that it feels like he's almost playing a character. He acts like a brash, effortlessly cool pirate who's kind of a fool and only cares about himself, and yet the first thing he does is dive in the water to save Elizabeth, whom he doesn't know at all, and almost gets caught as a result. And again at the end of the movie, he has an opportunity where he could run away and take the Pearl back, which is the only thing he's allegedly cared about throughout the whole movie, but he chooses to go back and help Will and Elizabeth. Jack acts like he doesn't care, maybe he's trying to play the part of a heartless pirate to gain some respect as a captain, but at the end of the day he will help people in need. That's an aspect to the character that I feel the later movies kind of lost, which is a shame.
I always thought that in order to make a good POTC movie you have to make it feel ambiguous whether or not Jack is smart and whether or not he actually cares about anyone but himself.
Go rewatch the first movie and you'll find out you are never truly, utterly sure about any of this two aspect of this personality.
And it is (one of) the main things that made this movie so great.
@@maxime5067 Agreed, I feel like in the first one they even lead more towards the idea that he's actually very smart with the way he tricks Barbosa, and that he's just pretending to be a fool so people will underestimate him. But by the last one, he's just an idiot...
One thing about Jack rescuing Elizabeth at the beginning. He had *already* been caught. He's under guard by two men of the royal navy at that point, and he's clearly trying to find a means to get away from them. Elizabeth falling into the water gave him exactly the opportunity he needed to alter his circumstances so that he's not cornered by two men with guns. I don't think you can rule out that his actions here were more than a little self-serving.
This, this is why they lost the magic, just like the Witcher Universe
@@TheChiptide IMHO as the movies went on, they just flanderised Jack's character. It happens to everyone, because they think they don't need to try because "audiences are stoopid" or will "fill in the blanks" themselves.
It's why they were able to cut so much context out of the later Harry Potter films, because they were banking on the preestablished audience to fill in the missing holes and be able to follow along because "they read the books".
That's got to be the best therapist I've ever seen.
So it would seem
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For me, from a plot perspective, these films are about the relationship between Will, Jack, and Elizabeth. Three VERY different upbringings and backgrounds where Jack comes from poverty and piracy, Elizabeth comes from wealth and power, and Will has a little bit of both (he comes from poverty but is like general respected in society and plays a role). There's that, and there is of course their personality differences. I would LOVE a hero's journey episode for will and also for Elizabeth because their characters change massively as well. Anyway, my point is that for this reason, the only film that felt truly "money-grabby" to be was the 4th one, because Will and Elizabeth are barely even mentioned and we don't continue their story at all. the 5th one felt ever so slightly money-grabby because W&E are barely in it, but it still continues their storyline and I really appreciate that.
Will is the pillar of the community archetype. The kind who does work that is absolutely vital but doesnt get enough recognition for it.
Blue collar work.
One thing that will never get old for me is his entrance in the first movie: the camera shots, his standing on the top of the boat, and most importantly of all, Hans Freaking Zimmer 😭😭. It kills me everything single time, that music and personality can make the most stupid scene one of the most epic cinematic shots and have you crying on the floor with laughter all at once. Now that is true directorship.
I believe the music of the first film was composed by Klaus Badelt and Hans Zimmer’s role at the time was only producer, no?
@@iforkinglovelemonade actually you might be correct! Unless it was also a collab?
I often thought Jack downplayed himself to make other people underestimate him. He was really brilliant but made this persona so everyone would think he was a joke. It was all about self preservation. Very interesting take on him here! Never thought of him this way. Thanks! Ps... First movie only for me :)
Oh absolutely! I always thought him to be very smart. And his antics just made people think he is not.
I agree. He downplays things so he can outsmart people. The first film Will thinks Jack is willing to sacrifice him for the boat and he accepts Will'saccusation. The full story is though is that he;s trying to convince Barbossa that he's not a threat.
He’s extremely good at it. And more than once it’s benefited others.
Maybe not his top priority, but …
I don't think Jack tries to deceive people into thinking he's stupid, people just immediately see this filthy, eccentric, bumbling pirate and think he's an idiot. I sincerely doubt he looks around and rubs his hands together and is like "how many people can I convince into thinking I'm an idiot?" He just behaves like one.
In a way he reminds me of Columbo in that he plays dumb to gain the upper hand but is secretly a genius.
2:18 Already has happened by the first film though, since he only was branded a pirate after freeing a hundred slaves that Beckett wanted him to smuggle to his private plantation. Jack instead freed them in Barbados and sailed for the nearest tavern where he was later apprehended, dragged off, branded a pirate, and his boat was burned and sunk. Hell, Jones’ value of Jack’s soul is a direct ode to the hundred slaves he freed, the act that branded him a pirate.
The deleted scene for At World’s End where it’s implied why Beckett branded him a pirate (Jack was employed by England to ferry slaves across the Atlantic and then he liberated all of them: “people aren’t cargo, mate”) throws a kink in this for me. Its also why Davy Jones demands 100 souls from Jack in Dead Man’s Chest. I think it’s more like Jack was being torn between employment and the law and his own conscience. If he was going to he branded a pirate for being a good person, then so be it. This world and its laws aren’t for him, and that’s why he simply embraced what it is to be a pirate, especially if it puts him at odds with England and its people. He’s such a complicated character and it’s a blast to pick him apart and see what makes him tick. Basically, it’s fun to put myself in Jack’s shoes but also Johnny Depp’s shoes with this character
This delete scene really does disservice to Sparrow's character arc.
With this scene in, it's revealed that Jack chose to damn himself for 100 slaves, and it's heavily hinted that he used Davy Jones to do it, to gain control over a mythically fast slave ship.
And yes, 12 years later at the start of Curse of the Black Pearl, he has trauma that has driven him to APD.
But I think with that deleted scene in the movies, it could have been a redemption arc; not just a series of strange events until he's altruistic at the climax of the series.
Something a lot of people kind of misunderstand about ASPD is that you can still have morals, right? Your morals don't have to be built around emotion/empathy in order for them to be "good". But this is also a decent point, definitely ties into a lot more of the "pirate" aspect. It could be many things, that's what makes it fun.
I realized one thing reading this comment (though I've already read about the deleted scene): why would Jack's soul, a man with apparently so little morals and who values nothing and no one appart from himself, be worth 100 souls? Imo it goes a little bit beyond than "100 slaves". It's because he *saved* those 100 souls, they prolly were able to live a better life thanks to him, these 100 souls all owed them their existence. 100 lives could happen thanks to him
@@moemoeanisong Not so much that, but that Jack had to give up his life so 100 people could have one. Because Davy Jones is a cruel character, if Jack wanted his life back, he would have to give up 100 lives.
But, doesn't the "Dead Men Tell No Tales" show him as teenager or a young boy already on a pirate ship? So, did he go from being a youth on a pirate ship to working for "the government" to going back to life of piracy?
Did you guys know the reason he became a pirate? He used to work for the EITC but he left because he didnt want any hand in the slave trade. Kind of interesting I thought, especially with all the other stuff you guys talked about!
And he freed 100 slaves, which resulted in his execution that Davy Jones saved him from. That's why 100 souls in exchange for Jack's is super dark.
I was hoping his "people aren't cargo, mate" scene would make it into this. I personally interpret jack as a character who has had "look out for yourself because no one else will" beat into him repeatedly and that's his big driving force to many of his selfish and impulsive actions
@@Christina-xc7on yeah me too!
One of the reasons I ignore Pirates 5, cause it contradicts this backstory
Jack Sparrow's ethics are questionable at best, but there is a firm line he will not cross.
Right at the beginning he jumps in the water to rescue Elizabeth. A real psychopath would have let her drown rather than take the risk.
I think he’s one of the best characters in cinema history. He has a tragic backstory that got cut, unfortunately, but he still worms his way into our hearts despite that, and he is always entertaining. He does do things that benefit others throughout the franchise though. I liked that he was a catalyst for growth for the other characters while remaining mostly true to himself throughout.
As someone with diagnosed ASPD, do remember that ASPD, like most mental disorders, come in a wide spectrum. I have learned to function in society. Though it has been very difficult. I'm in my mid 30s and just now feeling like I've got a handle on it.
If your comfortable sharing, what kind of work goes into that? Like is it just a correction of outward behavior or internal work too?
@@aWywardWyvern I dont mind sharing. The truth is, you can't really correct your very unusual natural response to things. My instincts still tell me to.disregard most people, to not care about them. To lie to them if it serves my interests. What you need to constantly do is to remind yourself that other people matter. That you aren't the only important thing. Your mind reacts one way, then you have to consciously choose to not act on those thoughts and habits. It's a struggle. I still have problems not acting on my naturally impulsive behavior. But it's possible.
@@feywanderer89this is an interesting thing to learn, i know it is a simplified way of putting is but do you really just dont care and lie habitually? like many people lie for their benefit but from my personal experience there are times when i dont feel bad about it when i think it was necessary or i intended it and when i do feel bad about it was when i felt like there should be a better way but isnt
@@msk-qp6fn I dont lie habitually. Though I used to. I would just lie about random things to people I just met for no other reason than I could. Then that bit me in the ass enough times where I had to change that habit. But it is my brains natural go to. Lie to that person. Cause who cares.
Did you ever consider neurofeedback? There are some interesting studies with ASPD, not that many though. It seems in ASPD, the amygdala where our fight and flight sits is overactive. It has the ability to shut parts of the frontal lobe down, where our higher social functions like empathy sit. If the amygdala calms down, it seems that the frontal lobe bit by bit naturally takes up it's normal functioning again. It's not lost or gone, but there seems to be a "sofware error" ( don't know how to say it ) that keeps the brain in this disregulated state. Often it's due to early childhood trauma. It's a coping mechanism, where the brain got stuck in and never came out of again.
TH-cam doesn't like links, but if you type in neurofeedback and ASPD you should find it easily.
In case someone doesn't know what neurofeedback is: You wear an EEG and mindcontrol a videogame, watch a movie,listen to music. It will work out if the brain gives of frequencies that we normally have in a calm parasympathetic state. So f.e. if our brain isn't calm the screen becomes smaller ect. We do this intuitively. The brain gets a reward in having a big screen or the airplane moving through the game or whatever works for someone, when being calm. This is f.e. also used for ptsd, anxiety and ADHD. In my homecountry it's one of the standard treatments for ADHD. It won't change who you are, but by helping with regulatiin and calming the amygdala f.e. down you get better access to all of your brains functions again. It was developed in the 1970s, but only in recent years they started testing if it works for example for ASPD.
So far it looks promising. It won't work for everyone of course. But people who used to be diagnosed with ASPD in studies reported feeling connection to others, which they never had before and empathy.
I hope this information helps. Good luck!
Honestly, I never thought of Jack Sparrow as having ASPD because he's such a "fun character" but you're spot-on.
The famous banter lines "You are without doubt the worst pirate I've ever heard of." "But you have heard of me." actually perfectly encompass the need for attention, no matter whether of the good or bad kind.
The reason he was labeled a pirate in the first place was because he refused to deliver 100 slaves. "Humans aren't cargo, mate.". He went from being a cargo captain to pirate not because of something immoral, but at that point what choice does he have but keep running? I could see his APD as a coping mechanism because the label criminal (to be hanged) was going to follow him everywhere.
"That's not much incentive for me to fight fair, is it?"
That would mean that he's a "sociopath" but only thing is that it was to my understanding that people with ASPD were incapable of caring or being remorseful for other people but could function well in society.
While Jack definitely showed an uncanny display of fearlessness, recklessness and a habit of changing allegiances throughout the movies based on what benefited him at the time, he also did show a soft side in certain instances and on occasion did look out for other characters.
So my initial impression was that the character was more Machiavellian than Sociopathic.
But I’ve been wrong before. It’s kinda cool that my favorite character is one and could do good.
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@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 It is a spectrum. So he could have traits and meet enough criteria for an ASPD diagnosis, but not be bad enough to be really destructive. Some people with ASPD have a little bit of a capacity for empathy, but it is way less than what would be normal.
If Jack were entirely sociopathic, the charm would not hold the length of a movie. The hook with Jack is that in the end, he always ends up doing the right thing. The plot will always leave the idea that there could be profit motive, but regardless, he ends up doing the right thing.
I've always thought of Jack as a guy, who doesn't want the rest of the world to know how big his heart truly is. If he didn't care at all, he could've found a way to lose Will in Tortuga in the first movie. He could've killed him at any point in each of their journeys together. He could've been physically violent with Elizabeth or Angelica, though other men were towards both. He could've let Gibbs go to prison. He could've drunk from the life-giving cup in "On Stranger Tides", thus sacrificing both Angelica AND her father. So many opportunities, and he still chose the lighter path. I feel like he's constantly in denial of his own sensitivity, because the profession that he's chosen doesn't allow for a lot of that, if any. I remember, watching the "Can you live with this" scene for the very first time and mumbling in the theater, "You little LIAR." It's a personality trait I also see in characters like Ian Malcolm and Han Solo. All three men put on big shows of bravado, sarcasm, backhanded compliments, and straight-out nastiness on occasion, BUT there's actually a deeper philosophy and sensitivity to them, which they all try so desperately to hide. The go-to-hell nature they present to the world is just a mask, and it takes one or more very special people to break through that facade, and make this person realize and accept all of themselves. (4/18/2023)
Exactly what I came to say. You hit most of my notes so I won't retread the same ground, except to add that, while Jack being mutinied upon could be seen as proof of his self-serving nature, the mutiny was only set in motion once Jack had agreed with Barbossa that the treasure's location should be shared amongst everyone - a decision that is hardly in Jack's self interest.
All in all, Jack Sparrow is often cited as the quintessential "chaotic neutral" character, but I've always agreed with your take; I think there's a strong argument to be made that Sparrow is actually chaotic *good* and running from it.
I agree!! I know that Han Solo, in particular was a big inspiration for Jack's character when they were writing the original film. At least in the original trilogy, I think there is always a clear fight between Jack's good or "softer" instincts and his more selfish pirate ways. Jack does a lot of posturing because, his legend and image is the most important thing to him. But, a good indicator of Jack's actual good nature underneath all the posturing is, actually, the incident that pulls Jack into the original film's story in the first place: aka him saving Elizabeth from drowning. Jack saves Elizabeth after her fall even though he knows that it's probably not something that he should be doing if he wants to avoid capture and he does seem a bit annoyed at being "forced" to do it. But, of course, he didn't "have" to save her at all. He could've easily run off while the Navy guys were distracted. He could've even run away after he pulled her out of the water. Instead, Jack stays until he's certain that she's breathing and gonna be alright, despite the danger that choice puts him in (ultimately leading to his capture). But, it clearly wasn't even an option in Jack's mind to do anything else.
@@SwiftFoxProductions What's funny about their relationship is how Jack was fooled so massively by her TWICE. The first was when she pretended to drink the rum, in order to get him drunk enough to fall asleep, so she could burn the rest and signal the navy. The second, of course, was when she chained him to the ship's mast to distract the approaching Kraken. She said she wasn't sorry, but the way he called her a pirate, to me, was his way of calling her a liar. It was sort of a kindred spirit moment for them. Near the closing of "At World's End", when she told him a romance between them would never have worked, his response of "Keep telling yourself that" felt like proof of how much he actually cared for her. (4/21/2023)
@@DeWalt1845 It's funny that you touched on Jack's relationship with Barbossa. When he suggested going over to the Interceptor to negotiate the return of the cursed medallion, Barbossa said, "That's the same attitude that lost you the Pearl." I feel like what he meant by this was how he believed Jack was a bit too forgiving and compassionate towards other people, too noble. (4/21/2023)
@@daniellemusella1594 Absolutely agree. Jack definitely cared for Elizabeth more than he would ever admit. And I think she knew it too. She was kind of Jack's weak spot and it's why it was so easy for her to manipulate him. It's, also, why he never seems to hold a true grudge against Elizabeth despite the fact that she's betrayed his trust more than once (instead, he becomes increasingly antagonistic towards Will). Honestly, I always got the impression that Jack really made Will the Dutchman's captain more for Elizabeth's sake than anything. If Elizabeth hadn't been there crying over Will when he was stabbed, I'm not entirely sure Jack would've made the choice he did with the Dutchman. Maybe... but, I'm not certain.
This was fun but a little disappointing. I feel like they analyzed the kind of person Jack wants to be and portrays himself to be, not the one he actually is. Jack often helps people with not only no hope of personal benefit but with every expectation of harm to himself or his goals, because no good deed of Jack’s goes unpunished. For instance, when Jack saves Elizabeth from drowning, he is trying to keep a low profile so he can steal a ship. He has no reason to help her, but he does, because no one else can. He is immediately punished for it by the loved ones of the person he saved condemning him to the gallows. He is captured, which is antithetical to who he is- a man who chases after freedom (AKA the Black Pearl). He is exposed, by the way, by the pirate brand on his arm, which was given to him when he refused to traffic slaves. As he points out a moment later, one good deed is enough to condemn a man, but not save him- not in his case. There are numerous other examples of Jack doing things for other people against his own self-interest (and his own reason), and being hurt by it. Elizabeth double-crossing him when he came to save her and the crew in the second movie is just another example in a long line.
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Absolutely agree. I'll admit to being that one _wannabe_ charisma powerhouse who has played a fair few pirate-centric DnD characters modeled heavily after Jack Sparrow, and analyzing the character myself? I see a man who paints the outward facing image of a bad man, but at his heart is someone who more or less just places freedom first before all else. Someone that I'd place somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic good, to put it in the hobby's terms. I've frequently used the term 'chaotic light-grey' to describe it when applied to my characters. Far be it for me to argue with a shrink who obviously knows their shit, but I'd say that Jack is much less selfish than he wants people to believe.
i agree, also the youtube channel My Little Thought Tree just made a video about this, where he explains exactly this :)
This was an excellent comment. Totally agree. I think that was actually a huge point of the story.
Something I notice about Jack, he still tries to do good, and help people, but he has to find a means to justify it by his own code.
At least that's the way it seems as he goes along. During the first movie, he's only out for himself, because that's the only one he can trust.
2nd movie, he starts to trust some people, but still has to justify things, up until his sacrifice at the very end.
And then at the start of the 3rd movie, he has a whole crew full of himselves, probably because he tried having a crew of those he remembered, and was either constantly betrayed by those fake versions, or it kept breaking his heart whenever he realized it was never truly them.
SO he stuck himself with ..himself, because at least he knew where he stood. And by that point, he had had all he could stand of himself, and that's where he was willing to sacrifice himself FOR them. But he still had to justify his actions as being 'selfish'.
I'd also like to point out, that at one point, during the Depp/Heard trial, Johnny channeled a little bit of Jack through him during one point on the stand. It's subtle, but you can tell by the way he moves/waves his hands, and the cadence in which he speaks. I like to think that each of the charas that Johnny has played, still reside within him to this day, and at that point in time, the Jack Sparrow part of him elbowed his way to the top and said "here, let me handle this, you take a break" and fiddle fidaddled the defense att. for Amber's side.
Johnny Depp as Cpt Jack Sparrow was one of the best choices for the movie, timeless 2003 classic
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Have to share:
There's a kid in England whose had 4 heart transplants and they've all failed. Now he's just getting by while waiting.
He's also a huge Jack Sparrow fan.
He started a YT channel and hoped to get a 100,000 silvery plaque someday.
His Mum (whose adorable) took a chance and emailed Johnny Depp and asked for help.
AND DEPP ANSWERED. He's asked his fans to subscribe to the kid's channel.
Yes, the kid has the silvery plaque now!
(Sorry I don't remember the name of the kid's channel.)
@@veramae4098 based Johnny Depp
@@veramae4098 Channel is called Kraken the Box!
And the kid’s name is Cory. His channel is a delight to watch.
I love Jack's introduction because, without uttering a single word and in such a few shots, they describe the entirety of his character. No monologues, no expositions, nothing! Just this! I love it.
The first movie is undoubtedly the best, but man, the third one really holds me. The second too, but I think the third one really takes what the second movie should’ve been and kicks it up to 100. It almost feels more character driven than action, and I always love that in a movie. And I’ll listen to that sweet, sweet Hans Zimmer score, of that movie specifically until the day I croak. That score might be the rose-colored lenses that make me love it so much 😅
I always got the vibe that, when bargaining for his soul with Davy Jones, Jack was trying to play the long game to both save his own skin and get Will free. I also point to Jack saving Elizabeth from drowning as evidence that he has some measure of compassion even in his earliest scenes. Might just be my interpretation though.
I also think he wasn't actually selling Will just for himself. It was a bet and he needed time; he got three extra days out of it. Put father and son together and was, all around, a wrench in the works.
Fully agree with you. I think I've never actually disagreed with these dudes more, as much as I love them.
@@emergencylisl6518 It's probably a result of them not enjoying the sequels that much, especially Alan. If you don't care that much about a movie, why dig deeper into its narrative?
Not to mention Davy jones didn’t pull the number 100 souls out of his ass. Jacks soul is worth 100 souls because Jack freed 100 slaves and that’s why he got branded as a pirate in the first place
But as John said APD doesn't mean you can't recognise "good", nor are they incapable of motivating themselves to take ethical action, but it can't cost them too greatly.
One of my best friends has ASPD and he's a really great friend. He's protective and strong willed and while he did do some really awful thing in the past, he's spent a lot of time working on himself and he's comfortable where he is- and when he slips, he always listens when he's told to stop, even though he rarely apologizes. Honestly, I think his lack of empathy and guilt helps balance me out. He's taught me a lot about asserting myself and being kind and forgiving with myself.
That’s very interesting!! I’ve always felt suspicious of the intensely negative light that people with ASPD as well as psychopathy and stuff like that are painted in, cause I mean, they’re people and it just feels so dehumanising. But I’ve never known anyone with stuff like that and I can never find any positive info about them because it’s so stigmatised. So this is really cool to hear
I feel the same, I can easily reason away guilt and everything, despite being incapable of deliberately hurting anyone. As well I don’t even have a problem with liars so to speak, but liars that are dumb about how they do it.
If you lie to me, you’d better at least put in some proper effort, you know?
@@calamity2383 honestly all the stigmatization is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy in that it's *hard* to get a diagnosis or treatment without being completely dehumanized and losing all support- i know of at least one person that nearly died because of medical neglect caused by a (wrong!) diagnosis of aspd on their chart- and it is easy to go down a dark path without diagnosis or treatment
@@twinstarssystem2857 that sounds about right. I know the medical system is very discriminatory towards bpd so it follows it would be for aspd as well :/
Same with another wrong diagnosis and discrimination. At least new doctors dont think it is true
These Pirate's of the Caribbean films are all fantastically fun, funny, suspenseful and full of so much beautiful scenery, costuming, set design etc. I never get tired of rewatching these this time of year. Though all of the actor's involved are really awsome, Johhny Depp as Captain Jack Sparrow truly MAKES these film's soooo fantastic. 💯‼🍿🥤
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I wish you included the part where he's talking to Cutler Beckett and basically Beckett betrayed him and labeled him a pirate cause Jack wouldn't transport slaves. Maybe Jack's behavior and personality are more attributed to that situation and learning that being selfish is a form of protection.
I agree with this. I think his empathy lost him everything and was a weakness in the brutal world of the pirates. He's had to look out for only himself but there's a desire for connection buried deep in there!
It's because it was a deleted scene, unfortunately
I 100% agree. I think he was too compassionate and got hurt over it and betrayed so often he started pressing it down, deep inside of himself in order not to be hurt again.
I don't think he would have actually sacrificed those 100 souls, he was buying time.
He's not a saint, but I do not think he has APD, even if he has some of the traits (impulsivity, recklessness). He is a good man who has learned that being overtly good doesn't work (being branded a pirate for saving people), so he embraced the role of being a pirate (except he wasn't actually that cruel), pushing people away from him and making them wonder about his intentions.
@@ayla6854 As someone who studied psychology, I agree. He may have some AsPD tendencies, but I think they are far more learned than innate. He's too compassionate to qualify for the full disorder IMO.
Yeah, that wouldn't erase the APD diagnosis, though, it would just explain how he developed that. Remember, you can develop into these things, it's never just nature, or just nurture.
For me, a big part of Jack is that “things a man can do and things a man can’t do.” Especially in the first movie, he actually does a lot of things to help people at the risk of things he wants, saving Elizabeth, going back for her and Will, and it’s because, ultimately, he CAN’T not.
The way you respond to it seems to take it in a purely physical way, what’s possible and what isn’t, but it’s also about personal morals. Jack has a lot of questionable morals, he is a selfish coward in a very human way, but he also CAN’T let truly horrible things just happen in front of him a lot of the time. To me, that’s also why he saved the slaves. He doesn’t want trouble, or to get caught, but letting truly bad things happen in front of him is something that sometimes he just can’t let go.
Beautiful.
What a credit to Depp's acting ability as to make his character in all of the Pirates films read so differently for so many people. He is walking art. Everyone seems to have a different takeaway. I'm not a therapist, so I don't really see disorders the way that a trained person would... I'm just seeing Jack as a regular person might and what I witness with a great amount of consistency is a man who is
a) unfailingly honest... in the most blunt and brilliant of ways.
b) He is incredibly clever, an absolutely brilliant on-the-spot strategist.
c) He is very guarded.
d) actions speaking louder than words here - he is loyal... always visits the same prostitutes, always calls on the same crew members, always stepping up to help Will & Elizabeth
e) he's a hyper goal-oriented opportunist -
f) He can see the bigger picture that others seem to miss.
I don't necessarily see any of those things as "villainous". Is Jack a bit manipulative maybe? Sure - but in the grand scheme of things (and when that manipulation is employed by someone who understands how to use that as a means to an greater good ending for everyone) it isn't such an awful thing - like potty training with treats.
To me Sparrow works better when he doesn't change, when he is the rock that others can toss themselves against... which is easier for them to do once they know he functions.
To me he reads more like a Sherlock Holmes with a Gibbs/Will Turner for a Watson than as an almost villian.
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jack sparrow is the absolutely perfect definition of chaotic neutral.
Is it a stretch to say he reminds me of Kratos of GOW?
With maxed charisma
I believe toddlers to be chaotic neutral, and in some way, sparrow is like one
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Disagree, I think he's chaotic good. He might shift perilously close to chaotic neutral at times, but ultimately he's chaotic good. He has his own inner moral compass that he displays several times. It just takes him a while sometimes to get there lol
Geoffrey Rush's Hector Barbossa is also one of the best antagonists/villains of all time. Definitely an underrated character with some of the best lines in the franchise.
Also you left out the bit where Pintel, Ragetti, Marty, and Jack the monkey did in fact come to save Jack just because they missed him.
yeah at the end of the second movie everyone is genuinely upset that he has gone. It's Will who asks if there is anything they can do to bring him back. But they change it in the third movie that they need him for political reasons. I think Gibbs really misses him too.
There is absolutely nothing underrated about Barbosa. He's one of the fan favourites.
@@Grigeral Oh he is absolutely underrated, you don't hear people instantly start talking about Barbossa when they talk about the Pirates franchise, and they should, therefore underrated.
@@ShiningDarknes in fairness, no one really talks about the franchise anymore unless the topic of pirates comes up.
But any time it does, Barbosa is always mentioned. Not as much as Sparrow, but still consistently, at least in my experience.
Yup Jack and Hector are my favorite characters in the franchise, top ten of all movies I think.
Jack Sparrow is much more complex character than antisocial pd and that's why we all love him. He's the trickster character and common guidelines can not be applied to a character like that. Locky is another example
I really wanted to see Alan talk about the fight over the chest with Jones’ heart. Such a dynamic scene. I know it doesn’t fit with a hero/villain therapy episode, but that scene along with the liar’s dice scene makes that whole film worth it.
Every scene in the movie makes it worth it!
"ah, the dark side of ambition"
this is actually insane, i was just about to ask if you guys could cover Will Turner, being honorable to a fault/daddy issues. love your work!🖤
super want this now
I'd LOVE to see this!
I want this now too!
And throw John Snow into it. Maybe just make a whole episode about self-destructive heroes that enter unnecessary martyrdom.
@@carsonrush3352 starring: Batman 😂😂
That intro is fantastic. He is this larger than life personality, a true legend, but his current reality is he is on a small, old, broken down, sinking ship, yet he still has the swagger like he was king of the world
I don't think I've ever disagreed with you guys more. If you pay attention to his expressions and some dialogue choices throughout the series (let's uh... let's ignore 4 and 5), you can see that he actually does care about other people, but he puts on a mask of selfishness, deceit, and ignorance as a defense mechanism. Even in the first movie, you can see that he actively tries to soften the blow for a second when telling Will that his father was a pirate.
He gets significantly more selfish in the second movie, but the dude was genuinely afraid for his life like he has never been before. It's clear throughout the entire series that Jack is highly intelligent and acts like an idiot to mask that, so normally he is very confident in his abilities. Dead Man's Chest is the first time we see him genuinely afraid, which tends to lead people to be more selfish. That's basic psychology. Jack has been in many life-threatening situations, but he has always been in control. Even when he looks like he escapes by the skin of his teeth, he's in complete control. But when Davy Jones comes after him? When the Kraken comes after him? How is he supposed to escape that? And, of course, he's right! Dude gets killed by the very thing he has been running from the entire time.
The third movie is definitely the most interesting from a character perspective. Jack is a lot more open and reveals so much more of his character than normal. His conversations with Barbosa really showcase the genuine friendship they used to have and how much they understand the world despite their choice of life. There is a crucial part of the conversation between Jack and Beckett that was cut because it was too dark for Disney, but it showed that the entire reason Jack is a pirate in the first place is because he refused to trade in slaves back when he worked for the East India Trading Company, deciding to free them instead and be branded a pirate forever. The whole discussion about the worth of a soul in Dead Man's Chest was an allusion to this moment. "100 souls" are how many slaves Jack freed.
Jack absolutely cares about people, he has just been betrayed so many times that he puts himself first on most occasions. It's literally a defense mechanism. He can't even trust his own crew that much because of "the code". Jack is a good man in a world that punishes good men, so he had to adapt. Not to mention to fact that he voted for Elizabeth because he knew that uniting the pirates was more important than who wore the crown, and he saved Will by having him stab the heart of Davy Jones, sacrificing his dream for his friend. You guys really need to watch the original three movies again from a character perspective.
Thank you for saying this! I was ready to write an essay about why I disagreed with them but you did it for me!
@@jsaunders2152 Happy to help lol.
Yep. Nailed it! Also, I dont get why alan hates 2 and 3 ,I know it's personal and all, but from a film making perspective (since alan is a film maker), there isn't much wrong in those movies. Btw, no hate towards alan, just curious as to why.
Yes! Thanks for writing all of this. I was way too tired to type a long comment to why I disagree with a lot of what they said. Also, if we have to correlate this to what they said, then we can may be do it this way. There was a certain trauma seeing how unfair and unjust the world is and being invalidated for his morals. This trauma or life event/s may have led him to get this anti-social personality. As a means of self-preservation. Because otherwise, he could not act on his morals whatever they may be if he stayed in the social context!
You misunderstand a basic issue in psychology, that being nature vs nurture. There is an element to nature in personality traits, but they are often learned and employed as defense mechanisms especially when facing something extremely traumatic.
The issue is, Jack was a deeply moral and principalled man, so much so that it cost him his life. This challenge to his world view forced him to "accept" that you cant rely on other people, and that selflessness will only get you hurt or killed. We see elements of his nature throughout the films, especially in regards to people whove built a strong relationship with him, but the nurtured behaviors always rise to the surface in the end.
Personality disorders are learned, though some people have a predisposition to them, and they are often a defense mechanism for the world or if really young a learned worldview. This is also why personality disorders have higher rates of remission than other psychiatric diagnoses, and often only need therapy to help unlearn the traits associated with the disorder. So yes, Jack has ASPD. It doesnt make him at his core a bad person or unredeemable, but it is an explanation of his actions.
It is canon that Jack was employed into service for the East India Trading Company and was given command of the ship The Wicked Wench. However, after he set free a cargo of slaves, his employer, Cutler Beckett, had Jack branded as a pirate and the Wench set aflame. After failing to rescue the Wench, Jack struck a bargain with Davy Jones to resurrect the vessel. Jones returned the ship to Jack in near perfect condition, except for the permanently blackened hull. This prompted Jack to rename the ship the Black Pearl. When Jack tried to free himself from his debt, Jones demanded 100 souls in return, the same number of slaves Jack freed from the Wench.
So his first and last act of selflessness was to free the people from slavery, and it branded him a pirate, completely changing his life to one of self-interest as he was hunted across the seven seas.
But, doesn't the "Dead Men Tell No Tales" show him as teenager or a young boy already on a pirate ship? So, did he go from being a youth on a pirate ship to working for "the government" to going back to life of piracy?
@@MegaMilenche You’re more or less correct but don’t include that 5th as canon.
@@chrisjackson1889 Well, then ask nicely :D
And where did the other comment go? I can't open it.
He was a pirate before when he was young. He was born a pirate, but was exiled because he wants to help someine, I think. Then, he turns into the officer for East India, not even as a captain until his old captain died. Then he was disgusted by slavery, set them free, he ship sunk.
Yep, it was my fav book when I was young.
Also read a lot of Jack Sparrow books. His characters have always been charming, albeit a little narcissistic. He kinda always helps others, especially when others are deprived of their rights to freedom. He hates it when people dont have freedom.
So in my mind, he is chaotic neutral. Not chaotic evil or even neutral evil.
There was a princess who fell in love with him named Ayisha. And then his old pirate lover. They once had a conversation about him saying that if he is not free, then he is not Jack.
It is sad because Jack only wants to be free to govern a ship. He doesn't even need to become a pirate. In his mind, he just wants to sail. (If he weren't disgusted by slavery + got branded as a pirate for not selling slaves, he would still be employed there.) The love he has is for the sea and for his ship. Then he met Barbossa. He only has limited years to be the captain of his own ship, but his ship got stolen. And that ship, he kinda revived using his own soul in a way.
So i kinda understand why he was obsessed with immortality for a while. He wants time to be with his ship, sail forever, the time that was stolen from him. Not to be a pirate forever, but be with his ship forever and ever! And he never got his wish. Lol
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You're misunderstanding the scene a bit. Yes Jack does betray Will and give him over to Davy jones but he does care that he did that and he does feel bad about it. He just cares more about saving himself and doesn't see another way in that moment.
Exactly, he even said he wanted Will back and he'd get looking for the souls. He even got Elizabeth to use the compass as the chest would help her save Will.
One of my favourite deleted scenes from the series is where you find out he was branded a pirate for freeing slaves, which brings such an interesting twist to his character
Only the actual statement of it is deleted. It's still heavily implied in his dialogue with Beckett. "People aren't cargo mate."
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ps: props to the editors too they don’t get enough love but their edits are so freaking funny at times I can’t
Wow, thank you so much! Yesss, our editors are amazing!
I agree :)
@Lara Amiri, I could not have said it better myself. Thanks to Jono, Alan and the Cinema Therapy crew.
@Cinema Therapy ok I am sorry how can you not like 2 or 3 tell me why you don't like 2 or 3 what reasons?
Watching this made me realize that someone I once loved might have anti-social personality disorder because he showed all of those traits Jack does while we were together and just didn’t treat me well overall. Thank you for offering an explanation, it definitely offers some closure to me as to why he treated me the way he did
I don't understand what's there to not like about part 2 and 3. I think this is easily one of the best written trilogy of all time.
part 3 I agree is good but part 2 was poor. There was maybe 30 minutes worth of good story and the rest was filler, just drawn out slapstick sequences that don't advance the story in any way.
TRILOGY. YES. THANK YOU (weeeee don’t talk about the other twooooo no no no……theyyyy just made three movieeeeeeees)
I agree and tbh I even liked the fourth, but it was not as good as the others tho
yea i agree, 4 and 5 are the ones that weren't good anymore, that people only watched bc johnny depp was in it
@@PrincessMeggala0913 I don’t know, I liked the 4th but that’s because I’m a fan of Ian McShane, and the 5th was also because Salazar was so good as a villain
2 being running from what was essentially death, 3 made Jones and Dalma really fascinating and really had it make sense as to why there was such a conflict there and WHY Jones was “cursed” to the Dutchman. 1 was absolutely the best for Sparrow though, it really showed his mad genius improvising for any situation
But maybe I’m ignoring the bad and only focusing on the good
You should totally do villain therapy: Davy Jones
THISTHISTHIS.
Fantastic idea!
Yes please!
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the fact you two can at least respect people's tastes(assuming there's no harm being done) speaks volumes about you both, and makes this show so much better than it already is.
I know it's technically a deleted scene that never made it into the films proper, but the backstory of Jack basically having to go pirate because he made the moral decision to rescue rather than traffic slaves, it cements him, for me, as an anti-hero, and certainly not a villain.
I was hoping someone would mention his backstory! It is mentioned in one of Jack's conversations with Cutler Beckett, where his Pirate branded P is referenced, and Jack says "People aren't cargo, mate." As he was branded a Pirate by Beckett for freeing those slaves.
Thats odd because it was in the dvd i owned and not as a special scene but as part of the whole movie
It is still canon, as it is part of the book "The Price of Freedom"
8:36 This second statement becomes even funnier knowing that Jack literally has a magic compass that points to all his goals and desires for him
This is one of the most interesting YT channels I have come across. It's fun, inspiring and insightful. It constantly reminds me of why I love cinema, and even though I don't really trust therapy and psychology as a science (since they're still so young and limited) it comes from an empathetic but critical point of view, which is everything you could ask for. It's serious and funny at the same time, like an honest conversation with a close friend. I love that the hosts are willing to put themselves in the spotlight and recognize their own issues and breakthroughs in the characters they're reviewing.Great quality content, well written, shot and edited. From the idea to the execution, awesome work!
Jack Sparrow is always looking out for himself with the well being of anyone else second. The way he surprises you is HOW CLOSE of a second that turns out to be.
At World's End proves that statement wrong.
Yes indeedy!!!!! That part of the reason why you end up still loving the man.
I wish these guys did TV shows. I think Our Flag Means Death would provide a treasure trove of content for these two to take on. Between Stede's leadership style, Ed's issues with expectations and masculinity, both of their father issues, the myriad interpersonal relationships, and just everything about Izzy, there'd be so much neat stuff to discuss.
Yes!! I second Our Flag Means Death, soooo many great things to talk about in that one
I love how you wrote "and just everything about Izzy" lmao but yeah, I completely agree!
"just everything about Izzy" hits the nail right on the head xD
Although you don't do tv series.. I need to make a plea for this to be an exception as we don't get anywhere near enough queer romances to explore!!
I think they are concerned about how much time would need to be invested to make each video in a TV show compared to a film. I think the only exception they have made is Firefly and that's because it's their favourite series and it started their friendship.
For someone who clearly loves the movie you guys are waaay of. Captain Jack Sparrow is a man whose life has led him to not trust anyone, and thus only look out for himself, but he clearly believes in honor and wants to do good, he simply doesn't believe he can afford it. Near the end Jack talks about how you can allways trust a liar to lie and cheat, but you must be careful about an honest man because you never know when he'll do sometuing stupid, and then he goes on to do several stupid things that ultimately serve others.
"He's willing to sell out his friend." My own sense of this character is that he can't conceive of himself failing ultimately, and that he salves whatever there is of his conscience with the thought that, when it all finally works out as he planned, then he'll rescue/repay those who he "sacrificed" in order to reach that endgame.
I'm a bit confused by the insistance that none of Jack's actions are entirely selfless while purposefully avoiding putting any of the scenes that show him as being selfless before the one where he saves Will? I mean, his saving of Elizabeth in the first movie was spurr of the moment and while he later used her for his escape, he would not have needed to if he hadn't saved her in the first place. There's also, even though I know it was deleted, the whole scene where we learn his backstory, the guy literally became a pirate due to pure selflessness and human decency. While I agree with part of the diagnosis here, I feel like it missed the biggest and most interesting part of the character which is the part that actually doesn't suit his selfish careless behaviour that shows that all of that is actually learned and not his first instinct
exactly, its not a personality disorder its ptsd from watching his crew get slaughtered then got burned and drowned alive with his ship (his only love) and dying.
davy jones gave him a second chance and after that experience id develop the same opinion of "the right thing" as jack.
I'm so glad you guys decided to do pirates of the carribean.
I don't agree. Like Gibbs points out in the first film 'He keeps things closer to the vest now' after being mutinied upon when he shared too much information with his crew. He has been screwed over a few too many times resulting in trust issues hence his selfishness. When you read up on the backstory between him & Cutler Beckett, there's a story about how he freed a ship of slaves. He had nothing to gain from that, it was just his moral compass telling him it was wrong. To me it seems Jack has always drawn the line when it comes to unneccesary voilence, he's not a cold-blooded killer. Example from the first film is where he doesn't kill Will when he stands in his way, resulting in his imprisonment.
10:48 'send me back the boy' it was never his intention to condemn Will. Even when he's ordered to collect 100 souls, he does not seem invested in the assignment that could save his life - he has his mind set on finding the chest instead. I could name many more examples from the films where his 'honest streak' does win out. He's definitely a trickster, but I would not label him anti-social.
Yeah but the guy in the video is a professional therapist...
bros gonna try to tell a literal therapist he's wrong 💀💀💀
@@XxRexorcistxX A therapist who doesn't have the full understanding of jack's character and history, yes. Someone having a degree doesn't make them right by default.
@@XxRexorcistxXPretty sure even Jono would agree that no one therapist can perfectly diagnose everyone
I have to disagree just because, as mentioned in the video, having ASPD does NOT equal being violent or “serial killer-like”. It’s a spectrum disorder, Jack could very easily be on the lower-middle portion of the disorder in which he frequently engages in these motivations and behaviors while still having some form of empathy or morality. It’s not an all-or-nothing type of disorder.
I’d love to hear Jono’s opinion on Jack’s backstory and how that fits in with the diagnosis of ASPD (p.s. this backstory isn’t entirely consistent with the 5th film because of the details of the compass, but it is still cannon):
Jack Sparrow was a privateer for the East India Trading Company and his ship was called The Wicked Wench. Jack was told to transport some “cargo” but didn’t know what the cargo was. Once he realized it was 100 slaves, he set them go free. Beckett was mad at Jack for stealing cargo, so he branded Jack as a pirate and he burned and sank the Wicked Wench. So, Jack made a deal with Davy Jones to raise the Wicked Wench, which he renamed The Black Pearl because of the permanent burn marks on the ship, and then he embraced his role as a branded pirate. When Jack’s deal with Jones was up, Jones says the price of Jack’s soul is 100 souls because that’s how many people Jack set free.
Hello, how are you doing, how long have you been a fan of mine?
I've just discovered you and as someone who's only just decided between Psychology and Film as a Uni Major, this channel feels like it was made for me
One thing that I think is interesting is that there are a few scenes that paint Jack in a better light that were ultimately deleted. For example, in the first movie when they made it seem as though he was ready to trade Will's life for his ship, it was revealed in a deleted scene that Jack never intended to give Will to Barbosa and was only using him as leverage to get the upper hand to ultimately betray Barbosa. Then there was the very famous deleted scene in the third movie that ties into the book series showing a conversation between Jack and Beckett revealing that their falling out was caused by Jack releasing a bunch of slaves that Beckett was shipping and saying that "People aren't cargo."
If those scenes would've been kept in, I think it would've led to some of his other conversations and actions to be looked at with some level of doubt. For instance, the negotiations with Davy Jones, some might think that he was just looking to buy himself time to come up with an idea rather than actually being willing to sacrifice 100 people including Will.
Final scene is confirmed to be canon
Exactly!
Not sure I've ever disagreed with you before, but I gotta say I kinda do in this case. Especially since At Worlds End is my favourite of the trilogy. Anyway, I feel as though Jack does have good in him, as people have already pointed out he became a pirate because he refused to ferry slaves, he values freedom. He gives up immortality to save Will and he immediately jumped into the water to save Elizabeth in the first film. I'm not saying he isn't selfish, but I think he acts far more selfish than he actually is. Then again I'm not an actual psyciatrist so I'm probably way off the mark haha.
The scene of Jack Sparrow settig foot on the dock of Port Royal had such a big impact on my developing brain to the point where it impinges on the way I get off escalators until the day I die.
As somebody who appreciates an expensive joke, $50,000 is worth it for an opening that is so iconic that all these years later it still makes you laugh
1) I'm not totally convinced by APD. Jack's backstory (shown in deleted scenes) with the 100 souls and why he BECAME a pirate is literally because he was tasked by the government with ferrying slaves as cargo and he refused, instead setting them free. "People aren't cargo, mate." That was literally an act that cost him his beloved ship, his life of legitimacy, etc., and thus doesn't fit into the description of "Can do good things if they don't affect him negatively" that you guys suggested. He can definitely be a bit self-centered, but I feel like, most of the time, that's him playing the villain he's now expected to be - which is also, I think, Elizabeth's stance in believing he's a good man playing a part. He's also very obviously got alcoholism, and a lot of his impulsive and short-sighted behaviour could be traced back to that.
2) Elizabeth' Swan's "very sexy CBT" is not something that should be said by anyone with a grasp of internet culture. It has a second meaning, you sweet summer souls.
Thank you for the education. I didn't go there because Cognitive Behavior Therapy was the 'set up' virtually given in the video. But I do appreciate the new knowledge
The 'majority' of his actions fit into it perfectly, however that doesn't mean he never has urges that would bely that point. They do say towards the end that most have a desire for human connection 'deep' down and certain things can bring it to the surface. It's entirely plausible that someone with APD would still be stirred into thinking that selling people as slaves is a bit much. It could also have started as a point where he tried to sway their minds initially, but the action itself is then what 'cost' him those things.
This in itself would cause you to withdraw further, as the one time you 'tried' to help others, you lost everything. It would make you less willing to do so in the future.
That said... I don't agree that self-preservation should count as APD. Will saved his life, yes. But that doesn't mean any person without APD would be willing to give up a potential eternity serving the Dutchman after death for it. Even if it were a single life for a single life, saving someone else doesn't indebt you into giving up your life for theirs in the future, but even less so in this case when you're talking a life for a soul. I feel any sane person would do anything within their power to avoid that fate.
I think 2 was rather the point, given the scene..
Jack is a trickster. What’s on the surface is a hoax.
Is it really his backstory if it was deleted, tho?
On the topic of pirates, I think a cinema therapy episode on Our Flag Means Death (and mainly the several relationships in it) would be really great. Just a suggestion, great job on this video too
I clicked on this so fast. But id love for you to do Rumpelstiltskin from the once upon a time tv series. And how his character growth went throughout the series. His and Regina's psychological make up would be so interesting to hear about.
The best idea
Oh my god yes there are so much to talk about in this show, Gold, Regina, and also the repeated theme of abandonment
I don't really like the last seasons but I still love the show
I support this proposal. Big fan of OUAT
Sadly theyve stated (several times bc avatar the last airbender fans keep bring it up) that they wont do videos for series unless theyre very short. i.e. about 10 episodes max, such as they did for WandaVision and Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Because those only total about 10 hours of runtime usually less, a manageable amount to binge and edit together clips from. Whereas shows like Avatar and Once... we're talking well over 20 hours of runtime
One of the most complicated characters in that series.
I think there is a moment that the guys didnt to talk about and that is Jack saving Elisabeth at the beginning of the first movie.
Jack is chatting up the two dumb soldiers and sees Elisabeth fall into the water.
He asks the soldiers if they're going to save her (which is in line with his selfish nature to have them risk their necks before his) but when they say they can't swim Jack jumps in to save her without hesitation.
If he really didn't want to risk his neck he could have lied and said he couldn't swim neither and let her drown.
Granted you could say that he saved her to get out of trouble with the guards but at that point Jack was just chatting with them (probably to charm them into letting him on the ship) but he didn't seem to be in any trouble anymore.
He also gave all of his valuable possessions to the guards, including his hat, while showing his selfishness as hes wasting time making sure he doesn't lose them in the water he's also risking them at the same time since he might not get them back from the guards.
There was no real benefit to saving her but he did it anyway.
I think it's the first hint that Jack isn't as terrible as he thinks he is.
3:33 "That's worth ten million dollars" -- I don't know if we all even appreciate just _how_ badass Sparrow is being here.
I of course remembered the sinking boat and the step to the pier... But I had never even noticed the bit where he jumps down, bails out some amount of water, then *_jettisons_*_ the bailing bucket_ and climbs back up the mast.
I don't know, maybe you need to be a "Math Person" to fully appreciate this. But... The timing of the boat sinking just as it reaches the pier... That didn't "just happen", Sparrow had to have _calculated_ the exact correct amount of water to bail out, to make it work out just right. Taking into account the speed of the boat, the distance to the pier, the rate water is leaking in, the dimensions of the boat, the size of the bailing bucket, the height of the mast, etc... Do you see how _hard_ of a *math problem* this is? We all remember "word problems" from elementary math, but have you ever seen one like this? (I sure haven't.):
"Your boat is making three knots toward the pier, which is 340 yards away. There's currently 120 gallons of water inside the boat, lowering it by six inches, and you're taking on water at a rate of 14 gallons per minute. The crow's nest is eight yards above the waterline. How many times should you fill and empty your gallon-and-a-half bailing bucket, to ensure that the crow's nest ends up level with the pier, which is a yard and a half above the water, exactly when it's one yard away?"
Bail too _few_ bucketsful, and you'll be underwater before you reach the pier. But, bail too _many,_ and your boat will *ram* the pier, which would also be suboptimal.
Sparrow *calculates* all of this, in his head, in just a few seconds. And then, is so _confident_ that he got it right, that he *throws the bucket away.*
I'm afraid most people think -- as I did until just now -- that the whole jumping down to bail water bit is just there too introduce his "majestic/ridiculous" aspects. Let's also appreciate how it shows him to be a really, *really* good sailor.
Well, he's Captain Jack Sparrow 😎
It’s interesting that was your take as he was rowing away. I always thought he just couldn’t stomach seeing the Pearl go down. The Pearl was the thing he valued most straight from the first movie
I love all your therapy commentary but I want more filmmaking commentary! As an actor in the industry, I love hearing the specific things in the production that y'all notice! 👍😊
Will do! We do share more that gets cut over on our Patreon.
I absolutely LOVE the PotC movies, even the more recent ones; yes, they're full of problems, but they have their charm.
One of the things I like is that Jack does have a character progression, he learns that the relationships he makes can be important to him and fulfilling and not something to be afraid of, which is something his ASPD in the first one is masking. Elizabeth is ultimately correct, that deep down there was more to him, just at the time, she knew he wasn't prepared to do what they actually needed of him, hence handcuffing him to the ship and ensuring he did the right thing regardless.
And Jonathan could totally pull off Elizabeth's style of aggresive CBD... on me at any rate! ;D
One of my favourite Jack Sparrow scenes is actually one that wasn't in the film. It was from At World's End where Jack is brought to Beckett, and he talks about The Black Pearl and Jack's past with him. It's revealed during this scene that Jack freed Slaves from his ship, which resulted in Beckett setting fire to the Pearl then known as The Wicked Wench and sinking it and branding Jack as a pirate, revealing that Jack is capable of empathy.
I actually love 2 and 3 a bit more than 1 (I still love the first one) because Will & Elizabeth are stronger and everything is more chaotic and interesting I think. Also Beckett and Davy Jones are amazing antagonists. I love that no one is pure evil or pure good (not Barbossar, Norrington, Davy Jones, Cutler Beckett or Calypso). Elizabeth's arc is amazing if you ask me. She started as a damsel and ended as pirate king. And again she isn't really good because she killed Jack. I love the island scene at the beginning of the second movie and the fight later when everyone is against everyone - just pure perfect chaos. I really appreciate that the movies don't shy away from killing characters because otherwise it's boring / predictable (but I was very sad that Norrington died anyway). It's true, Jack is a very refreshing character. I think he doesn't need to become a full hero because that's not him, but I love to see his development. He really cares about the Black Pearl (I see this ship as a literal character in the movies or like a metaphor for his freedom and soul). The moments when he come back to the fight in movie 2 or when he saved Will are gold.
What can I say I just love these movies. Every character has so much personality and the pirate vibe makes me want to be one myself.
I honestly pretend like movie 4 and 5 don't exist because they don't get the feeling or vibe of the first 3. The fourth seems to have very odd and unnessecary writing and the fifth is an over-produced cinema movie with big moments and effects but it lost its personality and soul on its way. And I really missed important characters and iconic lines.
I was about to make a comment like this. I genuinely don't understand what the major criticisms of 2 and 3 are. Every character is so well written that they can just have them all angling for their various self interests and yet it all comes together into something that makes sense. The scene where the 6 of the meet of the beach to negotiate is just an amazing culmination of storytelling, because if you'd said to someone at the start of the movie that at some point Will and Elizabeth are going to be on opposing sides of a conflict, allied with the various villains, it'd be a stretch to believe. But you watch these movies and see these characters interests and motivations get tangled together and it just makes sense. And it's perfectly in tune with the whole thematics of piracy- alliances are temporary and a matter of convenience, even for the good guys.
It helps a lot that every major role (and most of the minor ones) are delivered so well that you're left with a whole host of unique and memorable performances, not just Depp. Barbossa, Calypso, Gibbs, Davy Jones, Beckett, Bill Turner... they're all just great. Even Jack's dad left an impression and he's on screen for five minutes.
100% agree with you ! Thanks for your comment :)
@@TM1337FalconPunch IKR every character has a strong and unique development that makes sense for them so they build up their own morals and goals. They all have unique personalities, sometimes they agree, sometimes they don't. I love it
@@vivianejenoc 😙😙
I watched movie 5 in the theaters and remember nothing good. The best part I remember was the cool effects of the "underwater hair" for the... antagonist guy, I think.
As someone who suspects they have aspd (cannot access help yet) that opening shot summarises pretty much my whole life lol
I actually had a flatmate with very similar character traits to Jack Sparrow. Charming guy, but his habit of using people and burning bridges has left him estranged from his family, friendless, unemployed and homeless. He (of course) blames everyone else for “abandoning” him (when they put up their boundaries to say “enough”). I tried to get him into therapy, but he wasn’t interested - kept saying it was everyone else who was the problem.
Damn, guy could’ve at least changed in the minimum possible amount and coasted
If you haven't yet you guys should do one on Davy Jones (and his relationship with Calypso). I always found it so interesting/complex and would love to hear your breakdown.
I love this! I have an OC who has ASPD, and I end up redeeming the character by having it shown to him that by hurting his partner, the only individual he has ever loved, he lost that person. THAT is what motivates him to change. People and characters with ASPD fascinate me. They’re people just like you and I, they just don’t feel the same emotions or react to situations in the same way we do.
Oh cool your OC sounds really interesting. I’ve actually been trying to write a character with the symptoms of ASPD (I say symptoms as he’s technically not old enough for diagnosis and his backstory works best if he’s not currently 18)
@@nevergonnagiveyouup1180 oh hey cool :D
I think, for Jack, freedom is more important than anything, even his own personal gain. Sure, he sent Will to Davy Jones, but as the movies show, things just usually go Jack's way, so there's no reason he wouldn't think "I can just get him back later." with no harm done.
Jack is one of the best characters ever created. at least in he first movie and the first 3. but just how iconic he became... it's truly amazing how beloved he is.
i remember seeing the first one in cinema as a little girl and you just knew, he was the coolest dude you had ever seen.
Jack sparrow is definately a hilarious character, depp sure did it great. Yeah, that intro totally introduces his mentality perfect. He keeps his head when everything is just goin to hell... and just walks away intact, maybe a bit shaken, but epic presence.
If their doing an anti-hero series, they need to do Lupin the Third! I’ve always found the “despicable thief with a heroic nature” very compelling.
DEADPOOL!
I'm really surprised that THAT was how you read Jack Sparrow. Especially after you analyzed a character like Loki, and all the masks and illusions and confidence that he puts up as a defense. (Jack is practically a trickster-god, himself) Jack has had some really terrible things happen to him, his ship, his crew, and he could let it break him, break down and cry, or- pick himself up, carry on with his pride, and do something about it. It might look, on the outside, like he doesn't care or that it doesn't affect him, but his actions are 'all evidence to the contrary.' When Jack "sells out Will" he immediately asks for him back so he can go hunt those 100 souls. It was never Jack's plan to lose Will. During the movies, the worst things that ever happen to Jack are when his 'friends' don't believe in him, don't trust him, don't have faith in him, or don't follow his plan. Jack is absolutely the friend everyone would be lucky to have.
Interestingly enough, what you describe doesn't disprove him possibly having aspd. You are right in pointing out his traits that we read as morally positive - selflessness and good intentions. The implication reads like these good examples disprove their diagnosis. At the same time, cinema therapy highlighting Jack's negative traits and decisions reads as if these are "proof" of the diagnosis. I would argue that they are correct to identify traits in Jack that correlate with aspd and that you are correct in pointing out instances that can indicate other explanations for his behavior. What I want to point out though is that having aspd doesn't translate to someone being a person no one wants to be around. A person with aspd can be exactly the person you and a bunch of other people appreciate in their life. It doesn't translate to negative behavioral traits. The disorder comes with certain dispositions that can (!) potentially lead to difficulty in a variety of social situations, it doesn't have to - at least not for the social circle as the person with the disposition can put in a lot of work as to not get into trouble, socially. I really think this is overlooked in these discussions. Aspd doesn't translate to "do generally not care". Therefore although Jack might not have it, he can have moral standards and care about concepts and people and be occasionally "selfless" and still show aspd traits. When you consider that even the concept of selflessness can be considered and understood from an egoistic perspective, there is always room for interpretation from different angles
@@huemins Thanks for pointing that out. I shouldn't prejudice aspd as bad, full stop. I don't know enough about it. I'm certainly nowhere near as well-read on the subject as these guys (and I suspect, you), and I was wrong to think that way.
@@simonashtear2739 Nah, it's cool to have discussions and we all have our prejudices, no shame in that. Thanks for caring about the point I was trying to make. I just know someone with the diagnosis who is struggling with this and as having been diagnosed with npd myself, i can relate when it comes to a dominant and narrow "image" being attached to a diagnosis that doesn't represent the diversity in people's social behavior. I also have a hopefully healthy amount of skepticism towards such diagnoses myself so I can also relate to your original comment :) all cool
Maybe they were mad at the actor and it interfered. Jack does not have ASPD. Also, even ''professionals'' can be wrong, and therapists are arguably the least well read in comparison to psychologists for example.
I love watching you, and I love your analysis of characters. I'm in no way a licensed therapist like Jonathan. HOWEVER. I feel like it's pretty difficult to apply modern diagnosis to characters in a story set in a very different time, with very different social structures and very different stakes. Not saying anything said in the video is right or wrong, but I feel like in our time, we have gained the privilege to see morality in shades of grey, whereas in times where you can never be sure if you will live to see another day, I too would be much much much more selfish than I am today, and would most likely meet most points of the given diagnosis solely due to circumstance.
I clicked so fast on the notification! Absolutely love Captain Jack Sparrow
Jack fits more of the wild card character type than the anti-hero one, I'd say. Very much a character that switches between being the hero and villain depending on which way the wind blows and what happens to be convenient at the time.
I love psychology of a hero/villain so much. You guys break things down so we’ll, but without being too serious. I could watch y’all on a loop all day, your channel gives me so much serotonin