It's easy to underestimate how important the shape of an item is and how that affects its strength. The more rounded shape of the LXT pack has fewer stress risers than the more angular shape of the XGT one. The extra vents don't help either but it didn't look like that's where the crack initiated. Well put-together thing, that LXT.
Probably new demand and low existing supply. If new LXT batteries were at the same price as XGT's, people would be heavily buying good condition, used batteries. There's little supply of XGT batteries on the used market, lower stock on the shelves, and less historical inventory. So Makita charges more because they can and because people want the product still.
@@andrewdaw6269correct. Companies shouldn’t have to justify their prices to anyone. The 40V tools are great and the batteries are needed to use them. Better value product = higher price.
More then twice the price? Really? Here in Aus the XGT 2.5AH is a little more expensive then a LXT 5AH battery but not by much Edit. The XGT version does use newer more expensive cells
my xgt hand-blower with a 5.0ah battery fell 8m from a scaffolding on stone. I didnt even walk down to get it again because it must have broke anyways, but surprise: still works fine. love xgt
I had several of my Makita tools fall from 3-4 meters of height and none were broken beyond cosmetic damage, 2 of which fell on the LXT battery one being an impact driver and second being a chainsaw (DUC306 36V) and as I said no damage beyond cosmetics.
There is some Makita FAQ (maybe in Japanese?) that explains why the batteries don't arrive fully charged and AFAIK it is to increase its life. However, Makita is possibly caring more about extremely high cycle counts within the warranty period rather than setting age records on batteries. In practice it is an aggravating factor to store full batteries as this maximizes their potential damage during a leak. Ideally, users should not be storing the batteries at full charge since that degrades lithium faster, but nobody is going to do that with power tool chargers, since chargers do not have that feature and doing it some other way is cumbersome
The breaking tests are hard to watch! But please guys, never use a battery that is beaten up like that. Imagine the battery rocket multiplied by10. 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆
I use LXT and once unintentionally i left my battery under direct sunlight on roof top for almost one week but to my surprise it survived heat upto 48 degrees its robustly impressive and charge didnt drop even after that torture
Very Interesting!! The battery taking off like a rocket never gets old,I have a good laugh every time. Question Spot Welding Li Ion batteries vs Soldering??
@@riba2233 Hi riba2233 - I had found out that if Li ion batteries get hot they can explode and even soldering them can cause it when I bought some replacement 1860s from a place called Battery World and they refused to install them. I have not installed them yet! and this a now 2 years later. I made the comment as I heard TOOLS say that he was not good at soldering and I went OH NO. I tried to find a TH-cam video I had seen 2 years ago about spot welding the contacts but couldn't find it BUT there are now so many TH-cam videos prompting soldering Li ion batteries - some even claiming it to be a safe method. I was hoping that as TOOLS has been looking closely at batteries in his last few videos I was hoping he might talk about this topic, that why I phrased it as a question. I agree with you it should be made know NOT to solder.
I can tell you a few of my 4.0 and 5.0 DeWalt batteries have had their case crack just from being used on an impact driver without being dropped or abused. The rock WILL win. 😬
You can see the inside of the Milwaukee battery pack by just squeezing it and the Dewalt is polypropylene I believe. Either way, a trip to a repair shop well tell you all you need to know. ;)
As for your comment on the new firmware for the battery tester: that was regarding the 3.0 firmware? That is the update that is shipped with the BTC07 adapter, for testing the 64V batteries and the PDC1200 battery pack. I just updated mine from 2.1 to 3.0 and don't see any difference for LXT or XGT batteries. So my guess is that that update is purely for the compatibility with the BTC07.
Oh come on tools you should have at least tryd to put the bashed battery’s on a tool!!! I bet if you super glued the yellow tab back on the lxt it would have been right!!! Please do another video with you trying it!!!! Big love ❤️ oh and another awesome video my friend!get in!!!Grrrr I wish someone from Japan would start exporting the new 5ah cxt battery’s to the uk!! I’d be all over it like a rash!!!!!🤟🤟
I've found that the quickest way to destroy a lxt battery is to back over it with a ride on mower while it's plugged into a blower, exciting fireworks each time I found another cell in the long grass in my paddock.
I have to mention another excellent comparison of 18V vs. 40V... otherwise it's more about the presentation of the machine, but still a very interesting end of the test. The new Metabo BS 18 LTX BL QI was tested some time ago on the Bauforum24 youtube channel. (cover image with 4-speed Festool). They compared it (10x600mm screw with full thread) to Festool, 40V Makita, 36V Hikoki, and Bosch. Makita was half a second faster, Festool couldn't handle the screw (at Metabo they accidentally left it on the electronic clutch, but the mistake was discovered )...at 36V Hikoki, Metabo won by one second, in the fight with Bosch, Metabo won again by approx. two seconds !!! What is even more interesting is that, in the fight with Bosch, Metabo was given a single-row 4Ah LiHD battery with 21700 cells, while Bosch was given a double-row 8Ah ProCore battery with the same cells. I won't talk about Metabo's performance this time (of course I bought it because I'm also on the CAS system), but I'll only mention what both testers were wondering at the end....40V (or 36V)-WHAT FOR? !!!! Great channel-love it-keep it up.
@@riba2233 If you look at the assortment at Metabo, you will find that they also offer 2x18v class and 36v (single battery) class of machines (as you mention - more powerful machines) such as e.g. construction circular saw, impact drill, large 230mm angle grinders, etc. But for classic drill drivers, etc.... FOR WHAT... in my opinion, it is more important that the construction of the machine is as it should be, and also that the battery is superbly designed. Metabo CAS-LiHD batteries (5.2Ah, 8Ah and 10Ah) are separately contacted with the electronic printed circuit board - it means that the upper row of five cells has its own shorter contact sheets, and the longer contact sheets of the lower row of cells pass ower them... on the printed circuit board these contact sheets in the sandwich construction are screwed together!!! to the contacts of the printed circuit board. These double sheets have a much larger cross-section, and the lower row of cells does not heat the sheet of the upper cells... the internal resistance and thus also the complete heating of the battery is much smaller compared to competitors... as far as I know, none of the battery manufacturers do constructs batteries like this.
There are now also the new 40Vmax BL4020F with Tabless cells (18650), these cells should be ideal for new 18V batteries. Es gibt mittlerweile auch die neuen 40Vmax BL4020F mit Tabless Zellen (18650), diese Zellen sollten doch für neue 18V Akkus top geeignet sein.
I don't understand why Makita haven't gone for higher capacity (higher amp hour, lower amp output) cells in their 40v gear. Surely at 40volts a 3000mah,20amp cell would supply enough watts to distinguish a 40v battery from the 18volt system while also have the neat perk of significantly higher watt hours
Just make sure Cell made in Singapore is the Murata,they had battery factory located at Singapore,don’t buy batteries made in Vietnam coz made by Samsung Cell inferior grade.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I’m had 8 LXT Batteries,Cell made in Singapore Murata can hold the voltage longer & stable, Samsung cell cannot compare to the Murata,both cell is real Makita battery.
When on the charger those holes are venting out hot air. I don't doubt they're serving a dual purpose, but they are marketed as breather holes on some older brouchures.
Wrong. The fan forces air through vents near the lock tab and exists the vents at near the fuel gauge. Makita has images showing this. The drainage holes were added to packs starting in 2012, so if they were breather holes why weren’t they in packs pre 2012? A simple test for your simple brain, put a makita LXT battery on charge, get a bit of tissue and put over the drainages holes, it doesn’t blow off. Milwaukee m18 battery are the same, they have 5 drainage holes in the bottom. Their rapid charge has no fan. So why do they have holes in the bottom of the pack? Seems like you’re the clueless one.
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I appreciate how in depth this went
It's easy to underestimate how important the shape of an item is and how that affects its strength. The more rounded shape of the LXT pack has fewer stress risers than the more angular shape of the XGT one. The extra vents don't help either but it didn't look like that's where the crack initiated. Well put-together thing, that LXT.
Perfect timing, I am about to try my first XGT tool. good stuff
Thank you for the effort you put into Makita content - we need you!
Thumbs up. Also subbed and belled for about the last year.
I would really like to hear an answer from Makita why does the XGT battery cost more than twice than LXT, at least here in center of Europe.
65 vs 110€... Expensive, agreed.
Even when you account for the extended runtime its still 38% more expensive.
Probably because people are willing to buy them at that price
Probably new demand and low existing supply. If new LXT batteries were at the same price as XGT's, people would be heavily buying good condition, used batteries. There's little supply of XGT batteries on the used market, lower stock on the shelves, and less historical inventory. So Makita charges more because they can and because people want the product still.
@@andrewdaw6269correct. Companies shouldn’t have to justify their prices to anyone. The 40V tools are great and the batteries are needed to use them. Better value product = higher price.
More then twice the price? Really? Here in Aus the XGT 2.5AH is a little more expensive then a LXT 5AH battery but not by much
Edit. The XGT version does use newer more expensive cells
What a hero using his own money to test this stuff. Such a helpful service!
my xgt hand-blower with a 5.0ah battery fell 8m from a scaffolding on stone. I didnt even walk down to get it again because it must have broke anyways, but surprise: still works fine. love xgt
another awesome video, we really needed this and now we know 100% what cells are in XGT packs :)
*And I know to take a large sledgehammer next time.*
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL larger hammer - solution for all the problems :)
Really great video! Great information as always. Thanks for all you do!
I was right with my previous comment Makita 18v will still work with minor scratches
I've got a 16 year old LXT drill I use weekly, along with the 3.0Ah battery. Impressive longevity convinced me to go all in for Makita XGT.
I had several of my Makita tools fall from 3-4 meters of height and none were broken beyond cosmetic damage, 2 of which fell on the LXT battery one being an impact driver and second being a chainsaw (DUC306 36V) and as I said no damage beyond cosmetics.
It usually takes about 5-10 discharge & recharge cycles to wake the 🔋 up all the way. Cool test & channel
so this is what i was watching at 6am…. its all coming back now
I enjoyed that very interesting and entertaining vid thank you again
Some shops sell new batteries, which were produced 5 years ago. Should they maintain them somehow or age dont affect durability if not in use?
There is some Makita FAQ (maybe in Japanese?) that explains why the batteries don't arrive fully charged and AFAIK it is to increase its life. However, Makita is possibly caring more about extremely high cycle counts within the warranty period rather than setting age records on batteries.
In practice it is an aggravating factor to store full batteries as this maximizes their potential damage during a leak.
Ideally, users should not be storing the batteries at full charge since that degrades lithium faster, but nobody is going to do that with power tool chargers, since chargers do not have that feature and doing it some other way is cumbersome
So far im enjoying my 40volt makita 3/4 impact
Id like to see other brands go through the same test👀
The breaking tests are hard to watch! But please guys, never use a battery that is beaten up like that. Imagine the battery rocket multiplied by10. 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆 🎇 🎆
Missed you last week bro
Sorry man. Maybe I'll give you 2 next week...
I use LXT and once unintentionally i left my battery under direct sunlight on roof top for almost one week but to my surprise it survived heat upto 48 degrees its robustly impressive and charge didnt drop even after that torture
Very Interesting!! The battery taking off like a rocket never gets old,I have a good laugh every time. Question Spot Welding Li Ion batteries vs Soldering??
Y0u must never solder them.
@@riba2233 Hi riba2233 - I had found out that if Li ion batteries get hot they can explode and even soldering them can cause it when I bought some replacement 1860s from a place called Battery World and they refused to install them. I have not installed them yet! and this a now 2 years later. I made the comment as I heard TOOLS say that he was not good at soldering and I went OH NO. I tried to find a TH-cam video I had seen 2 years ago about spot welding the contacts but couldn't find it BUT there are now so many TH-cam videos prompting soldering Li ion batteries - some even claiming it to be a safe method. I was hoping that as TOOLS has been looking closely at batteries in his last few videos I was hoping he might talk about this topic, that why I phrased it as a question. I agree with you it should be made know NOT to solder.
Try that with Milwaukee,Bosch Dewalt and Co. Would be interessting...😊😊
Yeah I'd like to see battery durability tests by all the brands
I can tell you a few of my 4.0 and 5.0 DeWalt batteries have had their case crack just from being used on an impact driver without being dropped or abused. The rock WILL win. 😬
I'm thinking about asking people to send me their dead batteries for such testing.
You can see the inside of the Milwaukee battery pack by just squeezing it and the Dewalt is polypropylene I believe. Either way, a trip to a repair shop well tell you all you need to know. ;)
I like the rubber base on the newer DeWalt batteries. Saw one recently and wish XGT had that.
Well explained! Thank you as always for great content!
it hurts my feeling seeing the batteries got bashed multiple times. But I'm curious to see the damage inside
Thanks for the video! But something's missing... the performance difference between the Chinese LXT and the Vietnam LXT... is there a difference??
Not really, same rating on cells
thanks!
As for your comment on the new firmware for the battery tester: that was regarding the 3.0 firmware? That is the update that is shipped with the BTC07 adapter, for testing the 64V batteries and the PDC1200 battery pack. I just updated mine from 2.1 to 3.0 and don't see any difference for LXT or XGT batteries. So my guess is that that update is purely for the compatibility with the BTC07.
Oh come on tools you should have at least tryd to put the bashed battery’s on a tool!!! I bet if you super glued the yellow tab back on the lxt it would have been right!!! Please do another video with you trying it!!!! Big love ❤️ oh and another awesome video my friend!get in!!!Grrrr I wish someone from Japan would start exporting the new 5ah cxt battery’s to the uk!! I’d be all over it like a rash!!!!!🤟🤟
Great video tools
Thanks 👍 __
Lxt is more flexible hence less damage.. seemed to bounce off unlike xgt dropping like a rock
Man there strong. Would of like to see a big rock drop from a great height on to battery
I have 2 18v batt from 08 and thay stil work! Lol
Do we get a safety brief this time - or just be prepared to run when it does a skyrocket impersonation?
I've found that the quickest way to destroy a lxt battery is to back over it with a ride on mower while it's plugged into a blower, exciting fireworks each time I found another cell in the long grass in my paddock.
Yeah that'll do it.
I have to mention another excellent comparison of 18V vs. 40V... otherwise it's more about the presentation of the machine, but still a very interesting end of the test.
The new Metabo BS 18 LTX BL QI was tested some time ago on the Bauforum24 youtube channel. (cover image with 4-speed Festool). They compared it (10x600mm screw with full thread) to Festool, 40V Makita, 36V Hikoki, and Bosch. Makita was half a second faster, Festool couldn't handle the screw (at Metabo they accidentally left it on the electronic clutch, but the mistake was discovered )...at 36V Hikoki, Metabo won by one second, in the fight with Bosch, Metabo won again by approx. two seconds !!! What is even more interesting is that, in the fight with Bosch, Metabo was given a single-row 4Ah LiHD battery with 21700 cells, while Bosch was given a double-row 8Ah ProCore battery with the same cells. I won't talk about Metabo's performance this time (of course I bought it because I'm also on the CAS system), but I'll only mention what both testers were wondering at the end....40V (or 36V)-WHAT FOR? !!!! Great channel-love it-keep it up.
Makita xgt drill is the most powerful on a dyno (with larger packs ofc). But the point of 40v is for more powerful tools mainly
@@riba2233 If you look at the assortment at Metabo, you will find that they also offer 2x18v class and 36v (single battery) class of machines (as you mention - more powerful machines) such as e.g. construction circular saw, impact drill, large 230mm angle grinders, etc.
But for classic drill drivers, etc.... FOR WHAT... in my opinion, it is more important that the construction of the machine is as it should be, and also that the battery is superbly designed. Metabo CAS-LiHD batteries (5.2Ah, 8Ah and 10Ah) are separately contacted with the electronic printed circuit board - it means that the upper row of five cells has its own shorter contact sheets, and the longer contact sheets of the lower row of cells pass ower them... on the printed circuit board these contact sheets in the sandwich construction are screwed together!!! to the contacts of the printed circuit board. These double sheets have a much larger cross-section, and the lower row of cells does not heat the sheet of the upper cells... the internal resistance and thus also the complete heating of the battery is much smaller compared to competitors... as far as I know, none of the battery manufacturers do constructs batteries like this.
How do you tell what year the batteries are???
On the bottom two first number is the prod year.
@@MarekKubi thanks much appreciated
日本から、ありがとうとお礼を言わせてください。お金が大事な我々にはとてもできない実験は、とても参考になりました。
I'm heavy on the 18v and have been stuck on whether to upgrade to 40v but it's a no.. not worth it
Just bought a 36v drop saw yesterday. Higher RPM v the 40v version.. and it ran all day and only dropped 1 bar on 2 5amp batteries
There are now also the new 40Vmax BL4020F with Tabless cells (18650), these cells should be ideal for new 18V batteries.
Es gibt mittlerweile auch die neuen 40Vmax BL4020F mit Tabless Zellen (18650), diese Zellen sollten doch für neue 18V Akkus top geeignet sein.
They don't actually exist yet though.
I se a lot of bateries but you dont see lightweiht on 40v
What’s the band playing early on in the video?
Highly Suspect
Lxt rocks
Got four 18v 5ah two years ago, only one is still working & will charge up, the old 3ah are still going strong after 10 years
I’ll keep my lxt stuff before I dare pay xgt prices
Xgt all day .
MR tools do you have any idea when the uk is gonna get the new tab less cell batteries? its been like a year xd
Should be pretty soon. They just released them in Germany.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL honestly cant wait! have been saving up my pennies all year for them haha, keep up with the good content lad
40v(36v) 2,5 Ah = 18v 5Ah
Равенство прсто и понятно
Спасибо за обзор
Булатный лайк мой👍
отличный тест! с любовью из России!
Hey I dont think anyone has cried "fake batteries" in the comments below !
One person did.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Damn :(
@DDB168 But it's OK... they were joking.
I don't understand why Makita haven't gone for higher capacity (higher amp hour, lower amp output) cells in their 40v gear. Surely at 40volts a 3000mah,20amp cell would supply enough watts to distinguish a 40v battery from the 18volt system while also have the neat perk of significantly higher watt hours
It’s called good engineering, designing something to its requirements and no more
Not really, xgt tools require more power.
Great video, it's a shame that half the batteriea you tested were fake.
Go away
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL At least I made it to the end of the video
Just make sure Cell made in Singapore is the Murata,they had battery factory located at Singapore,don’t buy batteries made in Vietnam coz made by Samsung Cell inferior grade.
both cells are great, no worries.
Are you saying this before or after watching the video?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I’m had 8 LXT Batteries,Cell made in Singapore Murata can hold the voltage longer & stable, Samsung cell cannot compare to the Murata,both cell is real Makita battery.
@@riba2233 Nope,it does not, I have both,but Murata performs the best result, my older battery 13year & 12year is Murata cell
@@cryingeva real life tests of both cells don't agree with your statement :) 25R even performs just slightly better on average.
Breather holes?
They are drainage holes for liquid ingress.
For someone who calls them self 'tools', you should know this
What a Jackass you are fool
y0u are wr0ng, they also work for ventilation when a pack is charging. please don't correct others if you are cIueIess, thanks.
wr0ng, they also work for ventilation when a pack is charging. please d0n't c0rrect others if you are cIueIess, thanks.
When on the charger those holes are venting out hot air. I don't doubt they're serving a dual purpose, but they are marketed as breather holes on some older brouchures.
Wrong. The fan forces air through vents near the lock tab and exists the vents at near the fuel gauge. Makita has images showing this. The drainage holes were added to packs starting in 2012, so if they were breather holes why weren’t they in packs pre 2012?
A simple test for your simple brain, put a makita LXT battery on charge, get a bit of tissue and put over the drainages holes, it doesn’t blow off.
Milwaukee m18 battery are the same, they have 5 drainage holes in the bottom. Their rapid charge has no fan. So why do they have holes in the bottom of the pack?
Seems like you’re the clueless one.