IS JUNGLER ALICE EFFECTIVE?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- IS JUNGLER ALICE EFFECTIVE?
Let's try Alice jungler since everyone can be a jungle nowadays.
Notice: This content is created based on Moonton’s Material and complies with Derivative Content Policy, Moonton does not endorse this content.
For one of the most influential and important characters in most of ML lore, Alice is pretty rare to see in-game
Aurora too in Northern Vale story she is influential
She's like the main villan
There's a remodel survey for her. Maybe she will be revamped again
@@Micchi- where link?
But when u sea her u know u lost
Alice jungle is very good since the blue buff and litho goes very well with her Ultimate and she can keep farming creeps for more stacks like aldous
Another upside (antonym of downside) about that is if she rotates the nearby lane for more of her passive's stack without stealing laner's gold because otherwise it'll be her downside as her being the jungler if you had lower passive stack than you expect.
@@alyasVictorio you can't get gold and exp if you're the jungler from minions tho
@@ethannnnn31 That's exactly the point, you can get extra stacks from any lane without hurting your team mates' farm.
@@ethannnnn31 Yeah, but at least Alice gain her passive stack while helped the laner, which is a win-win 😉
@@ethannnnn31 are you dumb? That's literally the point. You got stack without stealing farm
i think its still depend on the opponents line up and your team composition as long as you and your team always focused on the objectives, your hero will be effective and have a big advantage towards enemies
Then lets just not nerf & buff any hero. Because you think the only thing matters is line up & composition. Clown
@@mehshutup3041lmao i also mentioned about objectives u lil warfreak
I just love how he nicknamed Alice's build "dyrroth's mommy"
Alice jungle is good since she can farm more stacks and take advantage of the blu buff.She can also use first skill and teleports to enemies backline
roaming is also on par if not faster compared to og junglers because of her first
Fast clear neutral objectives too
tank Alice jungler is quite effective (speaking from experience (dont expect much cuz I've only tried jungle alice like 3 times)) She clears the jungle pretty fast once she has enough mana regen.
In the early game i prioritize molten essence first because it deals more damage to junglw creeps therefore making farming alot easier especially in lategame. Clock of destiny is the only magic item she needs most of the time, she needs as much mana as possible if you were to play her tank jungler
The downside of that strategy is because Moonton is about to nerf Molten Essence's damage to make up for squishy junglers..
@@DevinSant Classic moonton balancing.. They want flashy heroes for skin sales.. Yeah tank jg meta is pain but instead of addressing the meta heroes they nerf items that effects others...
I used Alice as mid laner and I used Alice Jungler sometimes. I must say it's more effective in mid lane than a jungler
Agree, i almost never used Alice as a jungler, except trying
Nope, without blue buff, alice cant be good
@@kageyamatobio2637 excuse me? You just need to save up mana- i mostly use alice mid lane and in late game i never have problems with mana.
@@kageyamatobio2637 plus Alice vengeance is really good..
@@kageyamatobio2637 wrong
alice mains say dont upgrade her ultimate and just keep it to level 1 but muscle memory keeps making me tap the level up button 😅😅
This
Who the fk says that. No one does that
@@DivinePhoenix_ every alice main knows not to level up ult cuz level 2 and level 3 consume ridiculous amount of mana 😅😅😅
I’ve been playing Jungle Alice for quite a while since they made jungle creeps drop orbs aswell, and i think its pretty good! She can easily dive and disengage with her 1st skill, she is kind of a direct counter to other tank junglers cuz of her ult dmg, and she can really turn the tides when played right. The only downside is that she won’t be able to last as long without vengeance so pick your fights wisely and she can be nasty. And yes, for being one of the main antagonists in many heroes lore, she’s not that much seen ingame xD
I agree with your point about picking fights as best as possible with her as jungler. Personally, the hardest part about using her as jungler for me is farming both orbs and gold+exp in the early-mid game, where you can't really sustain her ult even with blue buff. She's similar to Hanzo and Fanny, where she's really different in early game playstyle than normal junglers that you really need to get used to it first before you can play her decently
What i like about alice is that she can easily cause chaos on the backline during a clash, just like in 6:00
"Dyrroth's mommy" 💀
Well I mean in lore Alice did kidnap dyrroth and adopted him :/
Cringe making my main dirty like this
Just used her as jungler a while a go. She's pretty hard to kill depending in the situation. The thing that I learned so her ulti can be active for like forever(lol) in late game is to not level it up to 2 and 3. That's all.
Won't you get less damage?
Yeah, you get unlimited ulti that deals less damage and gives less regen
I've tried this trick a while ago and its not very effective, yes she have unlimited mana but in return, she lack damage and hp regen
Low Rank mindset
@@haruto5766 it's only fine if you are romer alice
Pre-Revamp Alice was actually a really good Jungler cause her ult scaling was crazy. Imagine a full mage Alice with the 2 buffs teleporting next to your MM
the problem with the old one is that she needed alot of magic power to deal damage and that made her squishy against marksmen and oneshot heroes even with alot of stacks the new one is much better she can go tank build and still deals amazing damage
@@lordz.3757before her revamp i usually took execute, lmao
First skill -> teleport -> second skill -> execute
Squishy heroes got oneshot :D
Alice is my main. Back in earlier seasons (like very early), she was so dominant. Her s3 spell vamp was insane. She will basically be unkillable in early game as long as 2 to 3 heroes are close together. Can tower dive safely as long as there is a minion wave. And in early game, it was so easy to kill when ganking combo'd with petrify.
Haven't played her since im not a jungler but our squad use her often in rank match and there are some things we do to win most of the time with her maybe it would help others if they want to pick her.
1.) We always pick a mage that could clear the first wave fast and help her if an invade happens (Valentina,xavier,yve,etc)
2.) She can be vulnerable to invade so what we do is we pick a tank would be able to speed up her jungling speed like chou and kaja (I only put this since this is what we mainly use but you can pick other tanks as long as it does the job)
3.) She can help clear lanes while rotating for faster stacks. What we do is when she is nearby and the wave is coming in she would clear it with other teammates so she would get stacks but not steal their exp and gold(It mostly happen in mid lane and it would also make our mage rotate faster since the wave is cleared fast)
as i experiment alice these week . as jungler . you dont need to max out her Ultis . 14 and 15 lvl only . co her endgame result is massive . and in early game her ultis required less mana and sufficient damage + item growth (clock of destiny + oracle + ice queen wand (purple retri) or lightning trench (red retri) . hope these help . ❤
10:54 first time seeing elgins chat in a video
She’s also a good midlaner using a semi-tank build breaking through their backline along with the spell vengeance.
11:28 Must've hurt so bad for that poor minotaur slowly melting away without escape. He kept getting immobilized every single time 😂
She's good if enemies composition doesn't have hard cc and like to approach enemies like zilong, thamuz etc.
Its funny how you stopped in the middle of your sentence when you got stunned by Selena 🤣🤣
1:42 dyrroth's mommy 💀
Nahhh i wanna be dyroth rn ☠️
Alice lacks one thing and that one thing is what a lot of junglers have: tempo. She's very slow in clearing her camps early on, especially before she gets 4. Her sustain is next to none but her lack in tempo is what makes me think she's a very niche jungler at most.
Can't agree with you more about her lacking tempo. In a way there she's similar with YSS or Kimmy, where you're pretty much only farm as efficient in the early game as you can while minimize any early game fights even when you're ahead, which is a hard thing to do
You can ask your teammates to help you clear the jungle before you reach lvl 4
@@ispeakcockney5387 it still kills tempo, not only for yourself but for the team now since they have to sacrifice their tempo to help you
@@Buckie77 this tactic is actually very popular in high rank and especially in mpl. Max jungle stacks = high retri damage = secure first turtle
@@ispeakcockney5387 Yea but in solo queue it’s all about tempo, and more so in pro play, that’s why Alice isn’t a prio pick in pro play outside of maybe Blacklist because she’s so niche and Wise is comfortable playing tanky junglers that go in and be a sponge. They make it work despite having zero tempo early. I’m not saying Alice is a bad pick by all means, she needs a fulfilling draft that functions in a 4v5 early so she can farm for late. A niche pick isn’t necessarily a bad pick, it means there’s a lot of things to fall into place to make her effective plus there are other junglers that have her upside with good tempo early.
Also Imagine During teamfight,Alice has both of the buff, Turtle and goes to backline,The Enemies will Panicked to deal with her since she is Nightmare to the backline heroes
i used jungle alice for like 10+ match,and since always became my go to jungle if i was forced to play as jungle.
high mobility with skill one,stuj with skill two,and slow and spell vamp with ultimate. her ultimate really is something when used to farm,since it's alway active unless you unactive it.
so anyway me personally will give it a 8/10 jungler.
It's seems Elgin likes so much his elimination effect from Esme's Dawning Star squad skin, gladly I also managed to get it in her first event, hope she come back soon since I've got everything but her skin...
Silvanna Jungle does work, I dunno why other players dont consider or notice her potential in Jungle role.
I remember one player who went Alice core in our team, so I chose Floryn just for fun. We ended up winning and Alice became MVP, no deaths. 😂
For a hero alice has quite the mobility, dmg , cc, durability and also can be played in multiple roles
she's a mage that can deal massive damage and doesn't need a tank with her
also her ult has 0 cd and cannot be cancelled even if barats eats you the ult still melt them
She's one of the best right now
True she has 1 vs 5 potential i literally saved us from certain defeat when initiated a team fight with winter truncheon and our mm got free hit cause they wasted all their skill on me
Julian 321 combo + petrify or execute =
@@mmohamadaliffarel8517 that combo kill everyone not just alice and if julian miss his combo then💀
I also agree she's a good character but I think all she needs is a proper buff on her heal
@@ho3einkz78man ITS really ez to do combo for Alice because they need to be closed to attack and easily combo ITS because they walk
I still prefer Alice to use on Midlane with vengeance
She is weak without vengeance.
Tank build: Dyrroth’s mommy
12:26 - 12:29. Definitely. We've got her as the jungler earlier, though the Marksman carried the whole game.
Poor Mino got bullied😢
Though thanks for the amazing gameplay Mr. Elgin.
hi elgin im kinda confused on the new starlight card, can i use it next month or its only valid for this month? because i already have starlight this month.
You can use it next month.
The "literally" on the thumbnail was smooth
Jungle Alice is super good for me, I use tanky build which is clock of destiny, cursed helmet, dominance ice, ice queen wand, and glowing wand with jungle boots using ice retri. I’ll go for purple buff first and then go up instead of going for the red buff after. I have gotten mvp the 3 matches I’ve used her as jg and the last one I got a savage by myself.
If you see Kimmy or Karrie as a jungler, that's kinda bad for Alice because they will be too greedy to get all of her buffs and stacks.
What makes jungler alice effective is her ability to deal damage and being tanky at the same time due to tanky core still being prominent in rank also with the recent adjustments with her ultimate her ability to take down objectives such as lord and turtle basically doubled or possibly even quadrupled.. there are cons tho she basically relies on her stacks throughout the battle, in early game yes once with blue buff and level 4 she has a presence but her damage is manageable due to reliant on her ability to get items and stacks basically in short if dealt correctly core alice is not a threat..
Also core alice is more a trio or 5man pick its not reliable for soloq but definitely comfortable to play due to her simple mechanics i use alice core personally i mostly use her in 5man q or trio but tend to use assasins more in solo or duoq.
elgin what phone are you using? im having a hard time choosing a phone to buy
Choose lenovo y70, its perfect for ml
Alice is the perfect example of Conditional jungler, like really conditional. You cant use her when ther is no buffer, healer or setter roamer.
Facts, also the enemies can't be high mobility or insta burst
Been using Alice since revamped. Did u know, when Alice first revamped, upon using her as jungler, she doesn't get orb from minions first 5 minute? It was silently updated just recently.
Jungler alice is a gamble and depends on situation. If your team feed, there's no going back since you can't farm orbs.
Alice is one of my mains and I never used her as a jungler and it looks like she is effective at in. Nice vid Elgin
Alice weakness is her Mana never increase as she's level up. So buy at least two or three equipments that contain Mana
My equipment: Demon Shoes (Must buy), Clock of Destiny (Highest Mana in Magic equipment), Enchanted Talisman (Must buy), Concentrated Energy (for survival), Dominance of Ice (Highest Mana in Defense Equipment) and Holy Crystal. Spare equipment as Lightning Truncheon and Glowing Wand (for Damage)
Taking stacks feom minion will delay your mage and other lanes.. Because i have notice if teammate is near you dont get stack if you have jungle boots
The build is actually the common build for Jungling, but jungle emblem is preferred eitherway
Still, a good video, Elgin 🙏❤
Wonder why Elgin used Light-Tran instead of something that helps with multi-hit dmg like genius wand
because lightning truncheon is genuinely better for Alice's skills.. it has a mana attribute with cdr and with lightning truncheons passive working well with her passive and the mana from dominance ice ++ extra burst damage every 6 seconds
genius wand and glowing wand is still viable for her tho but tunchreon for the best damage output and that extra mana
is Genius Wand really useful for Alice? She doesn't have a defense reduction or burst skill like Harley and Eudora.
LT is because of alice passive
Also a tip if you are going mage alice then don't forget to build queen wings as 4th or 5th item, it's works great with her
LT just fits her kit better as a backline burst since she has built-in way to get mana so the proc dmg won't fall off. Having said that, i won't deny that she's one of the harder heroes to build since outside of dmg and durability items, she still desperately needs 1 mana item even as jungler to sustain her ult
11:30 poor minotaur can't move 😂😂
Pair Alice up with Floryn, yea that's pretty hard to deal with even anti healing does not make much of a difference.
The only bad thinf about her being jungler is the very slow farming below lvl 4, otherwise shes decent, with good team composition ofc
Just to share my experience with Alice. She is quite indestructible whenever I complete building Dominance Ice, Oracle and Queens Wings. She could even get head to head with marksman.
She is my main hero, this is my standard build: Clock of Destiny, Genius wand, Divine Glaive, Concentrated Energy, Queen's Wings, and Oracle. Pair this build with vengeance and not even Karrie+antiheal can kill her easily in the late game.
@@shinigami2693 wow, thank you for the tips
As a alice main. No, unless mid lane would give his minion wave.
Let's play together please u r id
as an alice main, ur prob not that too good in alice if u think shes too mid lane dependent. if u farm right as jungler u get a minimum of 70 stacks in a matter of 10 mins w/o frequently clearing ur mages lane
.
I recently used her in rank as jungler, like this week. I dominated that game against a Martis jungler.
@@y2kcelebrity im pertaining to solo ranked, maybe you have a duo or just have a strong team mate. I'm currently at mythic 27 btw.
well i tested her in jungle so many games, i can say she clears very slow in early game so she needs someone to help her, but once you get her ultimate you can clear them faster, and with the blue buff your mana wont consume. For me she is a pretty solid jungler but her problem is clearing in early. But after you get at least 2 or 3 core items you become almost unkillable
Yes i never use dmeon shoes on her
Its because blue buff makes alice ult almost infinite
1:41
"Dyrroth's mommy"
Me: 👁️👄👁️
Isn't jungle emblem better for her?
You just want to concentrate on farm more than team fights early to get stacks. Same with bane. He’s weak early but farm farm farm then he’s a monster late
Buy this 3 items and you'll get unli mana, Enchanted Talisiman, Clock of Destiny, Lightning Trunchion and also you need a blue buff, if u want to add litho, it would be great
You should pick alice last so that she will not be countered.
I dont like playing alice when theres heroes on opponents such as valir, diggie, xavier and the likes who can immobalized her when using the 2nd phase of her 1st skill.
Also what i like about alice is that when the line up of the opponents team are roamer-tank, jungler-fighter/tank since these role maximized the ultimate of alice which is based on enemies hp.
1:39 dyrroth's mommy😳💀
The complaint for Alice is her Ult mana usage at late game. Its horrendous.
So somehow every game I played using her in exp lane, I make great impact early and it looks like I am 1v5 raid boss… but then we can’t end the game and then they start getting the shutdown off of me… is it bad that I played her so well early that it’s like a thamuz early game but somehow her late like it’s khaleed
in the first part you are using her 1st skill wrong , you should use the teleport after 1 second of casting it so the cooldown of the skill gets reset
i also do it in my content and she’s to underrated jungler! 🔥💪
My question exactly, I was always an Alice main. I have never had an issue wanting to use Alice. Enemy team doesnt use, no one will ban her. However, since 2 weeks ago, there is an influx of Alice users. Why is that? I just want to use my main T.T
Luo yi core with CDR build:
Magic Shoes, Enchanted Talisman, Glowing wand, fleeting time, brute force breastplate, and feather of heaven.
That's a troll build
“Dyroth mommy” 💀 at the build
i jg with alice, works well if team doesn’t feed. She’s unstoppable with angela.
She's like aldog jungler, but like 100% way easier to play in jungle
It’s actually a game mechanic change that made Alice more viable.
Junglers can’t get anything from lanes, but Alice still gets stacks from banking lanes and clearing minions for Allies.
But it requires you Allies to farm alongside you. If your Allies pussy out, it’s a very losable game.
how do u see ur current build on the side?
The only good thing about jungle Alice is early Blue Buff...
Cons :-
Slow farming(especially bf lv4)
Slow stacking(she become argus\ult with blue buff but she need atleast 50 stacks)
Personally Mid lane Alice is best fast early stacking and take blue buff in late
Alice with full built+blue buff+ 100+ stack is Chief 😘
1) jungler alice = early game issue solved
mid lane alice using vengeance = gain stacks faster
exp lane alice using vengeance = harass opponent exp laner non stop ealry game (unless opponent exp laner is a mage/mm)
2) should try using glowing wand instead of lightning truncheon. It rlly boosts her ulti dmg overtime (on top of the impure rage emblem)
3) in rank draft, enemies always think alice would be going exp or mid. So its good idea to jungle with her to outsmart the enemies. I started doing this especially as a first pick and my win rate this season have increased (although im only epic :( )
Can someone plz tell me how to counter pick alice in exp lane or in general? Even dyroth and thamuz have hard time killing this blood sucking tank who won’t die 😅 Thanks
oh god- when will this skin come back to fragment shop? I want it so bad😭☠️☠️
if youre going to use alice as mage. mystery shop is her best emblem
I guess it's better if the exp and gold laner have the ability to push fast and alice could stall them
She is okay jungler but blue buff dependent and no one is gonna be cool with that and her damage is low they only thing that lets her do this is the hp damage which lunox can do better and I bet they are gonna nerf this too and her max stacks are 200 so maybe 2k hp doesn't mean much to a mm who will do that in seconds of damage she needs another revamp
11:27 for 15 SECONDS MINITAUR COULDN'T MOVE AHAHAHAHHA😂
Try jungler gloo lol, i somehow found out it's a good idea for this slime guy to jungle
So uh... No one's going to talk about the "Dyrroths's mommy" ;-;
The nana retri kills are getting too real. Awesome game man
1:42 hahaha Dyroth's mummy💀😭
Alice got buffed? I didn't know that. Time to use her again xD
Alice being the main antagonist of the game,despite having a tragic backstory is kinda meh
It would've been better if the real antagonist of the Abyss was a fighter that's not the already released Abyss heroes
Has anybody tried belerick jungle with spell vamp build. Tough boots, blood lust axe, oracle, Queen's wing, blade armor and cursed helmet with festival of blood talent.
“Dyrroth’s mommy” 😭
Dyroth's mommy got me dying😂💀
It's becouse of blue and using her ult seems almost like it never runs off with blue
And also she is tanky
I observed even you are using skills the lightening trechneon passive is not resetting
How bout using wings on her and 50 stacks and the highest movement boots
She will be ur running nightmare
Wing?
For me Alice is really effective in ranked game as a core, but! Again, BUT! IF ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD TEAMATE
Late game boots will be useless to her so maybe jungler maybe disadvantageous in late game
How do you display items below the map?
Everyone's viable as a jungler tbh. Same goes to alice, but she's actually pretty weak early and would take time clearing the jungle, thus getting less stacks than normal, and getting invaded and having her blue stolen would deter her a lot. Also she can get killed easily by MM specially with damage build, but with tank build she wouldn't have enough damage specially in the late game. But she's really hard to kill if she has a support from a healer.
Alice tnk have a lot of dmg and once she reaches level 4 her buff clear is really fast
You should try hero skin bane gameplay 🙂
As an alice user that was worth a watch and I can agree
Just as you said, she not very team dependent. As long she got a lot of soul stack and get her item. She can carry the game. I usually play her as tank first. But if my jungler and MM is not very good at they job. I just prepared her for late game with magic item. IMO, her first skill is VERY useful for getting away form team fight or pickup enemy backliner during the team fight.
I like dyroth mommy build much more 😂😆
Nobody talkin about Dyrroth's Mommy
I think alice should get double the stacks when getting the orb. 300 max stack would be impossible get under 25 min game
alice jungle is good but not effectives, best lane for alice in my opinion is exp lanes since she can farm all the stacks just like aldos did. if she stay mid she will bring troubles to other lane since she will stay in mid without roaming to other lanes.
just like cecilion , you dont actually jungle to get the blue buff. either politely ask the buff from your jungler or just steal it IF theyre sucks.
i often use yin as jungler as yeah most of the time i dont care much about blue buff , whats important is the red one. so i wouldnt mind giving it to mage.