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Are there any Casual Criminalist notebooks still available? How about creating a poster with the list of what a criminal should and should not do after completion of their crime?
Hey so ik you talked abt him on Biographics, but I would love to hear one of your writers take on Albert Fish. Hes the killer that boggles my mind the most, from his crimes and how he bragged about it to the canibalizm. He is truly a fked up indavidual.
So what's up with the constant scamming going on with your channel, Simon? Replies being left by someone pretending to be you or your team, telling people to dm them on other platforms to claim prizes because you've won a prize, etc.. These scam replies can't be removed (can report them and remove them but they come back again *instantly* ), and any replies made to the scammer somehow get instantly removed (so users can't even be warned not to fall for the scam - the reply just disappears). They are using your casual criminalist profile pic and a tweaked version of your channel name. Know anything about this?
Don't worry you're not being sexist it's pretty well always an old grizzled cop that solves the case someone who needs to have the experience and been around for a while to put the pieces together
As a mother myself, the image of that poor little boy trying to bandage his murdered mum's 49 stab wounds with leaves and bits of tissue is hands-down one of THE most horrific images I could ever possibly imagine. I hope more than anything that Alex has had all the therapy and healing imaginable, and that he's doing as well as can possibly be expected. May Rachel's memory be a blessing. 💔
My continuing thought in this episode is how totally bamf Robert Napper's mother is: 1. She took her kids out of a relationship that was bad for both her and them. 2. She believed them and reported it when they were abused. 3. She held them to account for their actions (reporting Robert to the police for the rape). That is some solid parenting.
It does restore some faith in humanity and society that her children were at least able to get help and therapy and didn't just fall between the cracks. Sometimes people are too damaged to be healed, but this was mostly on the police IMO.
@@ASHl33164yea but autism isn't something you pick up from trauma and while there's evidence suggesting that trauma can be a trigger for symptoms of schizophrenia it's not always present in a schizophrenic person's background. This guy had problems that required professional help and he more than likely didn't get them from growing up
Pro tip from my uncle, who is a firefighter: if you need to get away from someone creepy, the fire station is obligated to help you. So if you can't find a police station to run into- run into a fire station, or any government building
Also this applies for if you are driving, and think someone is following you- pull inti a police station, fire station, or ang kind of government property
If you live near a military base or post, you can drive up to the gate as well. The SPs/MPs are usually good people and will lend a hand if you need help. One night/morning, I had a guy follow me after I'd left work when I lived in FL. I was a bartender, it was about 3am and he'd been bugging me all night. I don't mean harmless flirting or silliness, the bouncers had had to talk to him more than once about his behavior. When I thought he'd left, I left like normal to go home. Thankfully, I spotted him pulling in behind me about a block from work. I drove right up to one of Eglin AFBs gates. I quickly told the SPs that the guy right behind me had been harassing me all night at work, and now he's following me. They let me pull onto the base and they stopped him. Once they had him, I was allowed to go out of the other gate and hi-tail it home. Even though I don't know what happened to him after that, I got home safely without a stalker and he didn't show up at my job again; so, I still consider it a win 🙂
I had to do that once when someone followed me. I was super tired and drowsy so I was only driving the speed limit. I was in the right lane and instead of going into the left they started to get all uppity, throwing on their high beams and screaming out their window. Mind you, this wasn't a freeway or anything. It was just a standard road for the area with multiple lanes to drive in. He followed me right into town and even into the police parking lot. (He was that irate that he didn't see where I pulled into. A cop was going to his car and I parked by him and called out. I don't know what happened to the dude but after giving him some more info after he radioed for someone else to come outside to deal with the dude, they let me go and my kids and I were home shortly after.
My uncle died of a heart attack right in front of my cousin when she was 3, she remembers it. It's actually one of her most distinctive & clear memories. Listening to what happened to that little boy & how much he loved his mom made me cry. My daughter is 3, I can't even imagine.
Yeah trauma make very good childhood memories, I was 3 when I needed stitches on the side of my head (due to a accident where I fell), I vividly remember the sensation of the needle in the side of my head, the pillow touching the other side of my face, the smell of the hospital, my vision blurred due to crying, the medical staff and my dad telling me how brave I was, being cross with the staff for only giving me a sticker at the end (I remember thinking that I deserved a lollipop for that)... What I don't actually remember was my parents buying me a whole bag of lollipop after, though I believe them when they tell me I did. The only other things I really remember from before we moved house when I was 6, was Christmas being cold due to our heating breaking, or snuggling with my dad on the sofa watching star wars and playing with his watch catch, vague memory of building a snowman in the dark, my sister teaching me dances to the spice girls, a holiday we took on a canal boat, thinking the telly was broken when Diana died, helping my dad cook by making bread crumbs (which basically meant me eating a lot of bread because I was a kid), mum putting one of my dads shirts on me backwards so I could paint. But all of these are kind of vague memories, trauma is what helps make a brain really remember stuff when you're that age.
Yeah theres no way this kid blocked it out. He remembered a description weeks later after being asked many times by multiple people, thats the kind of thing that sets memories up in a brain forever.
Jen's editing is absolutely legendary. I love all the gags she adds in, sometimes it honestly feels like she's providing commentary on Simon's commentary through the edits and clips and it feels very meta.
Jen is the invisible yet omnipresent commentary and comedic relief in the background, and I feel like she represents the voice of the audience. She is commentary on our commentary of Simon's commentary. Hella meta. JEN IS GOAT ALL HAIL JEN 🥇🐐💭
And Simon forgot to mention her this episode, for SHAME! She actually helps add most of the levity, especially when he goes off on tangents. Jen, you're a queen and we love you for making Simon more entertaining ^w^
As for Paul Britton, I think people tend to forget that profilers do a lot of profiles every year. It's a bit like asking a doctor a year later to recall the assessment he did on a particular patient without referring to his notes or even the patient's name. Yeah the guy he profiled was a monster but what people don't like to think about is the fact that there are a lot of monsters out there.
This is what he said In his book; basically they gave him the paperwork and asked for asessment, and then a year later they did the same with a separate case.
Agree. The profiler probably comes across a lot of similar profiles in his job because, let's face it, certain crimes tend to be committed by men with similar backgrounds and ideas. Like trying to find the one guilty of a hatekrime by looking at kkk members. Gonna be more than one possible hit.
I agree. They totally did him wrong, I mean, a profile is a pretty generic description of a suspect. It's like trying to make a positive ID of a suspect using a witness description of a 6 foot white man with brown hair. You could find thousands of guys on Facebook that match that.
It was almost a relief to hear him asking whether the dog was OK. Like he hadn't been able to comprehend what had happened to his mum, because she'd been right next to him. Like 'she must be OK, I know where she is and people are helping her now; is anyone helping the dog'. Poor kid; pray he's doing alright now.
Samantha is especially heartbreaking. There are so, SO many parents who unfortunately put their drug habit above their child but she wasn't. She was doing everything right! So she was an excort? So what? She was doing it for her kid's future and had plans to get out of the lifestyle. With all the shitty moms out there, he had to target her. And because she wasn't perfect, hadn't always been an angel, the press didn't care.
given that it was her case that ended up busting him, she got her revenge. it's cold comfort, given that both her life and that of her daughter were of infinitely more value, but you take what you can get with these sickos
This was my thought exactly. This woman got herself clean for the sake of her child, took escort work because she was determined to get her child into a private school, succeeded against all the odds in that goal, then applied for a job at said school to be near her child only to be brutally murdered. That was harder to listen to than all the police ineptitude put together.
It's kind of crazy how the criminal profiler, who's job isn't to catch & convict people, got in more trouble than the people who's actual job was to catch and convict people, especially since he was the least incompetent of the bunch
Partial disagree since it sounds like he played a role in designing and implementing that honey trap used against an innocent man but thats about the only issue I have with his work. The connections are obvious in hindsight but he probably did enough work outside and in between his profiles of the three incidents that I can fully understand how he missed the connections.
If they want to say his assignment was not detail enough, that one thing nut it was base on the information he was given. The issue the police didn't really do much with the information he gave
Hi Simon, Getting my Masters in Forensic Psychology we are encouraged to study this case in how NOT to advise the police, as this set the reputation of profssion back to the stone age. Essentially what was done wrong in this case was: the psychologist encoraged police target fixation, and openly advised against alternative avinues of discovery because they cared more about their profile being proven right, then catching the criminal. They also strongly encouraged the "honey trap" even though it was clearly not something the police should be doing. Forensic psychology should be about probabilites based on previous reseach and cases, and you can actively damage a case if you rule out perps instead of labelling them as "statistical outliers, worthy of investigation," just because they aren't a perfect statistical match for your profile.
Thanks, that's helpful to know and sheds more light on the why for the action against the profiler; I didn't realise he was encouraging measures which were actively damaging.
What is even the point of criminal profiling at all if the profiles can't be used to eliminate suspects? If you have to investigate all suspects anyway, surely it would be a more effective use of resources to just hire more investigators, rather then waste time and money creating a useless profile.
@@hughmortyproductions8562 You seem a bit hostile, but i'll presume your question was asked with honest intent. Profiles are an investigative tool, not a smoking gun. No psychologist, no matter how qualified or experienced can generate a 100% accurate profile 100% of the time, because humans as a rule don’t fit into neat little boxes that easily. But what a good profiler can do is give you direction in a case: For example: A man is shot with a small calibre gun at close range. Based on this single fact my profile would say something like “high probability it’s a woman known to victim, the motive will be likely to protect or defend another shared acquaintance or love rather than financially motivated.” Because: female killers tend to favour small calibre weapons, close range indicates that the kill is personal, as guns do not usually require the shooter to be close. Male killers tend to favour their bare hand or weapons of opportunity in personal kills and would only use a gun in the case of professional hit, in which case the calibre would probably be larger. If it was financially motivated the killer would have used poison or arson statistically speaking, this killer needed the victim to know they were being killed and perhaps even who they were killed by. This profile shouldn’t exclude the possibility of a male killer, but it should give the police greater focus to expend their resources on, and if they to find a likely male suspect the profiler should ABSOLUTELY NOT interfere with that investigation, but instead document it and try and learn from it to create better profiles in future.
@@theninjajay It was an honest question in the sense that I really did want to read your justification of it. But I am quite skeptical about the value of criminal profiling. I don't believe that the data indicates that profiling is worth devoting resources to. The kind of broad statistical details like in the example you gave are things that experienced investigators already know. Any attempts to give more specific details (stuff like "he probably works a low paying job and lives alone") are pretty much all pseudoscience that rely on the profiler's intuition rather than any actual data. Even the most favourable studies show that trained criminal profilers are only slightly more accurate than police officers without specific training in profiling (and other studies find that they are not any more accurate at all). If a profile could be used to eliminate suspects then making it slightly more accurate might be worth devoting resources to, but since police still have to investigate all suspects anyway it just isn't worth it.
FYI as a defense attorney, absolutely DO confess your crimes to your lawyer. Privilege guarantee they have to keep your confidence and there is nothing worse as a defense attorney than when the prosecutor blindsides you with something your own client failed to tell you
@@tthompson9244 it is a breach of ethics to misrepresent material facts to the court. But a solid defense can be built around, for example, the idea that the police did sloppy work or that the victim has motive to lie. The defense doesn’t have to prove anything. The state has the burden of proof. The defense just has to show how the state didn’t meet their burden. That’s why the jury finds “not guilty” instead of “innocent”. Because we are not proving someone is innocent. We are simply arguing that the state didn’t prove them guilty. You are correct that we can’t put our client on the stand to knowingly elicit a lie. But a defendant doesn’t need to testify and we often advise them not to.
Hi Cyndi, shot in the dark here but any advice or thoughts for someone that was denied a public defender because of a "denied application" for a public defender? took a guilty plea, under threat of bond revocation if the DUI case went to trial even though he would be forced to represent himself.
I'm looking forward to Simons new channel where he travels the world reviewing silver birch trees and comments on how different climates affect their growth rate. Each episode is going to be at least 4 hours long with 100% viewer retention
RE: the whole confessing to your lawyer thing. Technically lawyers, psychologists and priests have immunity from revealing crimes committed by their clients / patients. However they are obligated to report the an ongoing commission of a crime. So a lawyer advising a defendant who he knows is guilty can honestly advise them on what their best defense is, but not assist them in perjury or committing additional crimes.
A Catholic Priest will get excommunicated for breaking the Seal of the Confessional. They can urge the person to turn themselves in, but can't turn the person in themselves. Psychiatrists and psychologists can only report a crime if the client is thinking of hurting themselves or others, or if a child is involved. Otherwise, everything else is confidential, and the professional can have their licence revoked for breaking confidentiality
But they DO assist them in committing additional crimes. They don't merely stand by to be sure a person is getting a fair trial. They ACTIVELY TRY TO GET THEM OFF! They succeed & that client, who they KNEW full well had committed the crime they were on trial for, goes on to continue breaking the law!
A priest is not required to give absolution. The priest can't turn them in, but they can require a criminal to turn themselves in if they want absolution.
Priests are not permitted to divulge anything from a confession, even an ongoing crime or an intent to commit a crime. But they would council them to not do it, and would tell them they should turn themselves in. If you tell a lawyer that you absolutely committed the crime they are charged with then any ethical lawyer will tell them to take a plea deal. If their client won't plead guilty they likely will refuse to counsel them further. But if the client does not admit they are guilty to their lawyer then they can proceed with the case seeking a plea of "Not Guilty'. Keep in mind thar "Not Guilty" is not equal to "Innocent".
@@latoyathomas6544 well that's their job. And when they know they can't et them off, they try to get the lowest sentence possible which is when they start trying to negotiate for plea deals.
That kid from his first murder definitely remembers that incident, it's not a memory that simply fades with time because you never get a chance to forget something like that. That moment is going to keep coming back to the surface of his mind, every time a friend talked about their parents, every time someone asks about him about his parents, every time you see other children sharing close moments with their parents. A moment like that is profoundly impactful and even if you don't remember it vividly, he'll still remember flashes of scenes from it. My biological mother was really poor so I was moved into foster care at the age of 3, yet to this day I can remember seeing the stars through the holes in our roof and even when I dropped a toy helicopter in one of the houses we lived in and it fell through the floorboards, all moments not nearly as emotionally intense and all that occurred before I turned 3.
Yeah I disagree. Maybe you are an exception but almost every one has no memory of their life before age 4 and the memories that people think they have of before that age are more than likely false. Traumatic events are likely to be blocked even by adults. I've tested this (not the traumatic experience part) on multiple kids and none make it past 4 many can't remember anything before age 6 or 7. I'd bet 3 months wages he has no memory of it at all. It's the opposite of definitely does it's an almost definitely doesn't. Just google it before you argue. Not saying it isn't in his subconscious or that he wont suffer effects from it.
Meanwhile I was horribly abused, and I have 1-2 memories from being about 5, blank until 12, and then 1-5 memories until 20... So... The brain handles trauma in a variety of interesting ways. That's all I can say :P
A yes the good old I've investigated and cleared myself of eating any cookie that didnt belong to me anyway. Source: Trust me bro 😉. Just with a looot more serious connotations
I love how often he apologises for the tangents and stories yet that's why most of us watch, it's your personality with the fascinating stories, it's like having a friend In the room telling us about his job as a profiler or something
That little blip of Pedro Lopez popping up in the corner as Simon says "People are good" made me pause and laugh. I really needed that laugh after such an episode.
My heart goes out to all the victims and their families. I cried when hearing about Samantha and Jazmine, they both deserved a better life. I have no doubt Samantha was a great mother who was doing everything to give her daughter a good life. I also know if given the chance, Jazmine would have turned out to be a great woman. 😢
I don't have any children yet, but anytime a case involves children, it always breaks my heart. I can only imagine how much rage and pain Simon must feel in such cases.
I was once followed for a long time by a very creepy guy in a beat-up old car, and I also went to the closest police station as fast as possible. As soon as I turned into the parking lot of the station, he quickly drove away. I'd definitely recommend this to anyone in a similar situation! What's the worst that can happen, after all? The police think you're paranoid? It could be much, much worse!
Oh, and when it happened, my mother(who’s usually quite savvy) actually gave me the WORST possible advice for such a situation. So FWIW, here’s what NOT to do: my mum told me “Oh no! You’d better drive home as soon as possible!! Then your dad can walk you inside” I was like, “What, and show the creepy stalker exactly where I live!? No way! Dad’s not going to be home all the time, after all! No way!!” So yeah. Do NOT go straight home. Go somewhere safe, well-lit & public…like a police station. Don’t lead a creeper directly to your front door. 👍🏽😁
I just wanted to let Simon and the team know that this is at least the second TCC that I watched in it’s entirety twice. I was more than halfway through when I realized that I watched/listened to this already and I enjoyed it so much that I finished the video. The other video that I noticed that I watched twice was the Teacup Murderer. Thank you for keeping me entertained while I do my chores
As someone who's been detained under the mental health act, (not for crimes, just for depression) that shit is HORRIBLE, you may as well have been sent to prison...though I think it's actually easier to escape from prison.
Edit for Simon: I believe that I heard that Alex moved to France with his (step?)father, Andre and he lived a relatively normal life. Which is really the best we can hope for in this situation. Poor kid. I've read some of the letters that Colin got and it's heartbreaking. He really was into her and the fact that he was manipulated by a roomful of police is just so wrong. He really was willing to do almost anything to make her happy, but admitting to a murder he didn't do was just too much. Honestly, it gives me flashbacks to high school and the terrible ways people mess with each other by pretending that your crush secretly likes you so you make a big mess. I did not hang out with anyone who did things like that for long.
I was being followed home from work one night and I took father great advise and just walked into the closest house. The owners were a little shocked until I explained and called my dad to pick me up. I dropped off flowers and candy the next night to say thank you.
they may indeed never remember. no matter how traumatic. three years olds is still pushing it on the younger side. Don't get me wrong, it will affect them forever regardless, but that will happen regardless of wether or not they remember it clear enough to retell it for example
Ok, completely not related to the crimes, but it made my little geek heart burst with joy to hear a Pratchett reference at 1:18:20! Theif of Time was so freakin' good!
Ty for existing. Love true crime and just stumbled upon the page while working. Was listening to random videos and yours popped up. Now I listen to them at work. This page and LPOTL are my favorite now.
Simon, I just wanted to thank you for the compassion you show victims regardless of time passed. I've never been moved to tears by CC but this one got me. As a rape survivor, there was a lot to unpack here, though it wasn't even that... Hearing you described that wee boy trying to bandage his Mummy & make her better hit really fucking hard my man but it was the moment of honest, raw love you showed him for that moment in his life just... Maaaan, that was a moment that took a while to pass. Thank you for that bab.
Great episode... Can we get a CasCrim on Gakirah Barnes? The teenage-female hitman from Chicago? Started killing at a young age and her 180 from student to hired gun is an amazing tale... Her death is also a hellava twist
Sadly, that baby probably remembered at least parts of the traumatic event. I know I still remember parts of the horrific thing that happened to me at 3 years old even though I'm edging towards 40 now. I think the aspect of this case that makes me most angry, besides the crimes themselves, is that a mother did the right thing even though it probably hurt her too by turning in her son. If the cops did what they should have done, then maybe the other crimes would not have happened.
Thank you for confirming that it is possible for someone to remember what happened that young. My earliest memory is from 4 that I'm sure of and not horrific.
We had a home invasion when I was three. I remember a great deal of it. Fortunately, it was not as violent as these attacks. They were professionals and just wanted to control the scene and get the money/safe contents. Still terrifying though.
Unfortunately traumatic memories are far more likely to become long-term memories. At a young age, it has to be an exceptional event to force a long-term memory formation. I was a few months shy of 3 years old when I fell out of a moving car. I'm 47 now and remember it like it happened last week, not over 4 decades ago. (This was in a time when back seat seatbelts weren't compulsory and in some cars they didn't even exist. The latter was the case for my mother's car. The door latch was unknowingly faulty and I leaned against the door as the car went around a corner, door swung open and I fell out. I could have been killed, but instead I was very lucky. Just a few bumps and scrapes. Always wear your seatbelt.)
I remember events from when I was two years old. One is the day we moved from a house in the city into an old farm house. I also remember watching Star Wars from the projection boot. A close family friend run the projector. I asked him where my parents were and he said down there and pointed to the window. I started crying think my parents were on Leia's ship getting attacked. He picked me up and said no, no , no, down there and pointed to the audience below and I enjoyed the rest of the movie. When I was older I asked my dad why I was in the projection booth, could not get enough tickets and his friend said "just bring one of the kids up to the booth, you gotta come see this movie!" I even remember being in line at the movie theater that day it was like a mad house with such a long line. I have great long term memory but ask me what I did 5 minutes ago and I can't tell you. Come back and ask me in five years and I'll likely remember!
What I don't get is why cops didn't connect Napper to the earlier cases when his own mother reported him? Like they took her statement and didn't follow up on it at all, and later didn't look it up either when looking for suspects. Like "oh, hey we have this record from this woman saying her son confessed to something. Let's pay him a visit" and that honey trap with with Colin. HE NEVER ONCE GAVE IN. He just told the lady about his fantasies with a consenting and willing partner. Edit: a yeah bc he was shorter...like hight is kinda difficult to estimate sometimes. People can appear taller depending on how baggy/long their clothes are, or on their hair or type of shoes they're wearing...like srsly that's a rather bad way to eliminate someone totally
@@heathergarnham9555 yes. Even just feeling defensive against someone can make you perceive them as a little larger than they actually are, especially if they’re aggressively shouting or being verbally confrontational. The weird little things our brains do means that when no identity is known and only eyewitness accounts describe them, suspects shouldn’t be ruled out just because they don’t fit the profile perfectly. And I’m not even mentioning the fact that some people interpret words slightly differently; for example, for me, I consider brown hair to be like, dark or a fairly deep brown most of the time when I’m describing it. Whereas someone else may consider brown to be like, lighter. So brown hair could mean a whole host of colors. Lol
In the future when they asked why Simon went bad I'm going to think Pedro Lopez. When they ask about his villain origin story I am going to blame Pedro Lopez. When they ask how he managed to get away with so much I am going to wonder how incompetent the police are. I'm going to remember that Simon trusts no one and would not share his crimes. This is how he managed to keep so many in his basement for so long
my husband and oldest daughter were taking a walk when she was little and someone called the cops on them, cause they were concerned about a guy walking with a little girl (we live outside of city limits, so I can kinda see it looking shady) either way, she confirmed he was her dad and then told the cop he should do something about all the litter on the side of the road 😂
So...your kid was an asshole to the coo for ensuring a kid was safe from predators and being proactive. Why do I get the feeling you'd have a far different opinion if your kid had been kidnapped and the cops didn't stop someone. Shut up and stop encouraging asshole behavior
Simon, I just want you to know that I love it when you start rambling. It makes you so much more approachable, and then it feels like a conversation in a living room, which I love. I feel like with these horrific cases we need some human-type humor to leaven them, so never change what you do!
yes, a 3 year old would remember that. one of my earliest memories was when I was 2.5-ish... I know b/c my sister was a baby, but she couldn't crawl (b/c she has a heart condition that affected her gross motor function) & there was still carpet in the kitchen. and it wasn't traumatic :( trauma unfortunately sears itself in a person's memory, even a barely 3 year old
The fact that even Simon can remember his episode of Pedro Lopez 6 months later should be enough to tell you how utterly horrible he is. (bad was not descriptive enough)
Yhea he was definitely a total piece of shit but can't agree with Simon when p like Hitler, Stalin and those other people who committed/caused a genocide to take place. There's no way a serial killer would be the worst person ever born. That'd be a leader of a country or other very powerful person.
I have a suggestion for an episode, it probably gonna give nightmares to Simon and to all parents, really. That being said, I remember from my childhood, the panic and outrage. It’s my first memory where my family were suspicious of strangers and that I got the universal speech to be wary of strangers. It’s a case that even a couple of years ago, people would protest en masse when something happens concerning these perpetrator(s). It has left a mark on the people from Belgium like no other criminal case. Also, this is the only channel I would suggest this to. I’m a big fan on how the writers show respect to the victims. So here it goes: Marc Dutroux, the monster of Belgium.
@@Excelsius_Cerell I mean conspiracy theories, corruption, suspects in high places and still a lot of questions that, to this day, are still unanswered. The whole country was in an uproar. God, it was bad. When I hear about what happened? I still get chills!
@@bobmurphy9270 might be. He still talks about the Pedro Lopez case quite a bit. Maybe not such a good idea to fuel his nightmares more. Even if we took the government out of it, it was at its base level already horrific. Not saying that other cases, even covered here, aren’t, all of them are horrible in their own right. But there is something about this one, that gives me chills to this day. The reason I suggested it, is because the writers and Simon have such respect for the victims. The writers do their research really well and the phrase: more CSi not saw, is something this case really needs. But I can definitely understand if they do not want to, definitely for the reasons you stated.
@@Lolo_Muys they have such weak stomachs and mental gymnastics for the hipocrisy lol. If they truly cared, they wouldn't profit a single penny from this and donate most if not all to the affected families, or in case they are all dead, relevant charities. but this is monetizing crimes, no matter how classy they want to present themselves, which is bullshit. "more sci less saw" yeah right, like that makes any difference, all it does is point out simon's sheltered self. own the fact that you are banking on morbid curiosity and go deep into the cases.
Simon: I read the news, especially out of America, holy s***, America, what are you up to? Me, an American: I ask myself that question multiple times a day.
This is a horrific and frustrating case of course and Emma did a good job with the script, but I gotta say Jen's on her A-game with the edits and enhancements this episode just excellent timing and like the perfect clips etc. xD
33:46 one of my parents had an accident involving a lot of blood when I was 1. I don’t remember at all. But apparently I locked myself in the bathroom (I must have stood on tip toes to reach the lock!) and I have had haematophobia ever since. These days it’s less intense, I’m not so scared I will faint or anything, I just feel really nauseous and panicky. I was very lucky that my parent was fine after stitches etc. and there was no real “trauma” just an accident and a mess. I think regardless of actual memories, it would leave a scar somewhere. When one of my younger siblings died, I didn’t remember them (I would have been 18 months old). But I spent my whole life feeling like I was missing a twin, or just had a hold in my soul. The first time I ever felt completely okay, was holding my first baby. I realised then that my void, my missing ache, is probably grief from before I can understand.
Pressure point is a thing. They are the concentration point of nerves, blood vessel or tendons. Striking them in the correct way can have much more significant effect than other locations. But it's not as all powerful and mystified as the movies etc will tell you. It is more of a multiplier of effect and not instant magical things, and it can only achieve disable or deadly effects, not other weird effect like hallucination, laughter or whatever.
My earliest memory would be from when I was a little more than two years old. I was in a small bed in my grandparents, with the sunlight streaming in through a window. There are other memories from about 3-4, including standing on the front seat between my grandmother and her friend as we drove into the small town and across the railway tracks. Yes, in the days before bucket seats and compulsory seat belts. None of these were in any way traumatic for me. The terrible experience of trying to help one's dead mother would be very likely to be remembered. Not well, perhaps, but still remembered. On a lighter note, I love the reference to Pratchett's "Thief of Time". Nice one, Emma!
Yes, I have memories from that time. I was able to verify because we moved at least every year. Very different climates, architecture, and even languages/physical looking people. A lot of my memories are mundane, some are from dramatic & traumatic things but not all most are simple things.
It is extremely common for someone who is violently assaulted to over-estimate height and weight of their attacker. Bigger things are seen as more scary/violent, so of course when you recall someone who caused you so much harm, you start to think of them as bigger and more powerful than they really were.
Later, if a victim is able to walk through the attack, they're often able to recall more realistically -- oh, his voice was right at my ear, not above my head, his hands were just a little bigger than mine, I looked down as he pulled me back and his feet were only a couple inches longer than mine, etc.
I wanted to say no one would do anything if a woman said she was being followed by someone. However after thinking about it even I, the most apathetic person ever, would definitely take action. Good advice. When in doubt, seek public assistance ladies.
1:13:10- simon and garfunkel's "creep down the alleyway, fly down the highway... before they come to catch me i'll be gone... somewhere... they can't find me" is now stuck in my head. thanks, simon.
You should really do a video on Luis Garavito or "the beast" as he's known in Columbia. He murdered at least 140 children, possibly up to 400, and may get out of prison in 2023.
Samantha and Jasmine got me. I'm not Scottish, but I live in Dundee now, and maybe that's why it hit so close to home. Oh my heart just aches for those poor sweet souls. I'm so sorry Samantha and Jasmine, I'm so sorry that you, and all of the other poor souls taken out of this world so viciously, so cruelly, lost your lives to this garbage piece of sh*t human being. I'm so so sorry. Jasmine would be the same age as my sister now. My sister got engaged last year. God my heart hurts.
I seen a man at an amusement park when I was a 9-year-old fast forward 21 years I was working with him building a patio. I described his hair as outfit his girlfriend at the time the time he was on the same ride as me. It is truly amazing
Prosopagnosia. I have it too. I live in fear of being either a victim of a crime who can never know for sure the person is off the streets or who gets murdered to keep me from identifying them when I wouldn't be able to anyway.
Don't let that get to you to deeply, eye witness testimony is literally some of the worst kind of "evidence" in a trial and is notoriously unreliable. Even for people without that prognosis.
Here's the thing, in the US, confidentiality is in effect if the person is guilty. That is the point. If you have a meeting with a lawyer to discuss the case and talk strategy, if you are guilty, you should start by doing so. Tell them everything, that way they know what they are up against and tk help them figure out how to fight the case. With doctors, it is so they know how you were injured so they know how to treat you, especially of you are on drugs, so they can figure out how the prescribed meds may interact with what substance you are on. Same thing with religious confidentiality (can't confess to a sin if you can't tell them what you did) and with parents. With the parents, it is more so they can help you navigate what to do. For less extreme scenarios, think about of you shop lift, or throw a ball and break a neighbor's window. You have to be able to tell your parents so they can help you with how to apologize, offer to repay the person etc.... Again the point of any confidentiality (at least in the US) is so you can tell them your crime, so they can help you afterwards. That said there are exceptions, for ongoing/future crimes. If you tell someone you are going to hurt yourself, or someone else, they are supposed to come forward.
I'd like to see Simon tell the story of Shootashellz. The crimes would fit this channel, and I doubt Simon's really familiar with Chicago drill, so his reaction to it would be interesting. Outline: Shootashellz (1995-2017) was an orphan by eleven, after losing both parents to violence in separate incidents. He was staying where ever someone was nice enough to let him, even sleeping in abandoned buildings and stuff like that in his early teens. He'd get in a little trouble here and there, but he was mainly a introvert that kept to himself. Then someone murdered his brother, and he went all in. He allegedly killed at least 5 people associated with the man who murdered his brother, and that man himself. He did that one extra dirty though, literally stood over him and shot him in the head at least 14 times... As you can probably guess that made him a huge target, and unfortunately it didn't take long for karma to catch up. Shootashellz was getting into his car in broad daylight when 3 masked gunmen ran up. He started sprinting, but there was no cover near by. Roughly 2 dozen shots hit him before he fell, his legs, back, arms, everywhere... Then the shooters walked up and took turns shooting him in the face 17 more times... It's one of the most tragic true stories I've ever heard. It's the perfect example of how destructive gang violence can be. If you listen to his song "The price of streets" you'll hear he wasn't some mindless killer, he was pretty insightful and hurt just like anybody else. He was kind of lead down a path there was no turning back from. Rip to both sides, it's complicated.
About pressure points, there is one somewhere in the upper outer section for your glutes that if you press you will feel intense pain and your leg will just give up. It's been a long time since I was in school for this so I can't remember the name or exact location but you should totally give it a try.
3 and 4 are when we first start forming memories. Traumatic events are particularly likely to be stored as first memories... this is quite likely Alex's first formed memory. I hope not, but it's a distinct possibility.
❤️Love listening to your vois and your funny comments. Also a shout out to the rest of the crew, you all doing a fantastic job👍❤️. Happy holidays to you all! Here in Sweden 🇸🇪 we celebrate Christmas as early as tomorrow .🧑🎄🎄
My DNA profile is on file in UK database. I volunteered it as part of the bid to improve the system to keep it in line with international standard and beyond. Very happy to be part of it
Reminder for everyone: many places like bars have certain code words you can say when ordering to covertly alert the bartender that you're possibly in danger. Look up what is used in your area, maybe go to bars and just ask the bartender. Whatever dodgy situation you find yourself in this can be one of the safest ways out of that. Take care, and stay safe!
The inability to recognise faces is called prosopagnosia! In severe cases, people struggle to visibly focus on, or read facial expressions. I have it, too, Simon; in my case, I can't distinguish race, age, or ethnicity.
I don’t think I have it, but I really struggle with faces, and tend to Recognize people based on hairstyles funnily enough. I can distinguish race, but I struggle with age and gender, especially if I have to distinguish between two people who have the same skin color or hair color. And it’s double hard if they have the same hairstyle and the same skin and hair color. But it’s not impossible for me to recognize faces, I just need to see the face regularly. Once I’ve memorized a face I never forget it.
perfect! gotta do my nails today, plus it is -7 here (approximately -21 for the rest of the world) not including wind chill. Time to listen to a long new CasCrim!!!!
So I know everyone as well praises the writers and don’t get me wrong the writers do amazing jobs, but Jen’s editing is next level I listen to these as pod cast form but always watch the TH-cam version for the edit clips
17:05 Hi Simon. Autistic people, like myself often look much younger than their actual age. I am in my 30's and people think I am 16 to 18. I still get in trouble bartending at events. The owners don't think I'm old enough to be behind the bar. I have to show the managers and owners my drivers license. And at other jobs, teenage coworkers try to ask me out 🤢
Agreed. I work with a lot of autistic people and find this to be common. Not all but many. I would add that some people also are not really great at judging ages. I never was and worked at bars for years. So I tended to card everyone because I got in trouble early on for always thinking people were older. I would be the kind of kid who swore my 25-30 year old teacher or doctor was old -old, grandparent age old. And thought teens looked like 30 yo. Now when I ask staff about ages I ask about other examples as well. To see what their base line is. Same with heights. The men in our family are all over 6' so I thought of 5'10" as short.
I've been listening to true crime for a long time... But I broke down when he talked about her 3 year old boy. I also have a 3 year old boy and that one hurt.
I have a memory of being in a crib and crying while I watched a shadow of a man hitting a shadow of a woman at the end of the hall. My mother told me that I was 1 at the time and it was the only time my father had ever hit my mother. So a 3 year old could easily remember that.
You must’ve been very close to two my dude, because long term memories physically cannot form until around the age of two, and they’re incredibly sparse at that age (since it’s so difficult for your brain). I have memories from when I was three though, so I could believe you having a memory from that time if it was close to 2 years. Cool science fact though, your brain is super underdeveloped coming out of the womb, but rapidly develops the first 5 years of your life (and completes its development around 25 years of age). The first 5 years make up for 95% of your brains development. This is why your brain can’t form memories until 2 years, as your brain does not have the functions to do that yet. But you could’ve have a brain that developed slightly faster, allowing it to retain a vague memory from that time, which would be fascinating because of the health implications that might bring (namely advanced aging stuff). Have you ever noticed early onset of other factors of your life?
@@justalittleturtle5600 I can remember converstations I have had when I was 8-ish. I am nearly 60 now and have had my IQ determined to be 178. So, I dont know.
We moved every year so the houses, weather and even languages marked where certain memories I have came from. I have memories from two and a few impressions from earlier. Lots from age three. Including a home invasion and some other dramatic things. It happens.
At this point "Simon mentions Pedro Lopez" should be added to a Casual Criminalist bingo. I'd like to see an episode on Luis Garavito. Just to see how he'd do on Simon's trauma scale against Lopez.
I'm the other way round. The name Robert Napper reminds me of Rachel Nickell, whereas Colin Stagg reminds me of handsome payout the poor bastard was eventually awarded.
Just a FYI: knife play in the RACK scene is generally used to just produce a fear response and sensation play, not to cut. Things like switching from a showing a sharp blade to switching to a dull blade to touch are done. I been to a class on it and know some folk that enjoy topping and bottoming for it. It's less extreme than it seems to the uninformed imo (I'd likely think it more extreme just by the name).
Fascinating, it’s kinda of like choking play then? I can’t tell which is more dangerous, because technically you’re still playing with knifes (no matter how blunt), but I feel like choke play is the more dangerous of the two. Or maybe I just have a negative basis towards it. I’ve been told it makes things more intense, and therefore enjoyable by the choke play lovers, so is that the case with the knifers?
@@justalittleturtle5600 I've bottomed to choke play but would never top it due to the risks (and not being interested enough (in topping) to learn how to top it with lowered risks). Some kink groups will refuse to have breath play classes due to risk (other do because for those that want to do it, it's vital to have the information about how to do it more safely ; The term rack is good to know -- risk aware consentual kink -- there is risks in many types of kink play, but rack acknowledges can understand and consent to those risks), Vs I don't think knife play is considered as dangerous as the sharp knife should be switched out mjch before touches skin, vs. Breath play, put the hands wrong can kill/cause permit damage. I'd also say the difference is is that breath play has distinct sensations that cannot easily be replicated by other types of play, vs. the sensation and illiciting fear is ones that are easier to play with using different types of play (even flogging can illicit both). I was brown outed twice in breath play classes, I can't think of a good way to replicate that in other play, or "struggling to Breath" aspect is some Breath play? Breath play does also have the fear and sensation aspects. However never done knife play, just been to classes so someone who has likely would have a better comparison.
@@justalittleturtle5600 I definitely consider breathplay to be the riskier of the 2 and would only take part with someone I have absolute trust in. You get a lot closer to danger with breath play. As far as knife play goes, mitigating the risk isn't too hard, in my experience. I like to also incorporate retractable blades that are a but like stage knives, so if you want to intensify the scene, you can "cut" into your partner, with a convincing looking prop that has a dull side just retracting when pressed against skin. It's more about the sensation, the illusion of that kind of danger, at least that's how it's been for me.
I agree that it was unfair to blame Paul Britton on this. It wasn’t his job to connect the dots, if anything the police should have keyed in on this. However, while the profile was accurate, it was very far from being specific, in that it could apply to a large number of young men who were NOT rapists and murderers. The profile, in and of itself, was not going to break the case. It was a tool he gave to the investors, it was THEIR job to make use of it.
Yhea they're actually starting to move away from profiling as it confuses as much as it helps. They still use the stuff about what area the killer might live and the most basic stuff about age, race, stuff that's been shown to be reliable but isn't stuff they build a case around but the things that claim some deeper knowledge like the stuff about the occult in this case.
On the subject of traumatic events and memory, it's entirely possible for your attacker to seem larger than life in the most acute state of trauma, but as you start to process the events you might start to remember reference points to judge, for example, height by.
We had a house invasion when I was three. They all seemed like huge grown ups. I was on the floor for most of it. I only noted two of the height differences when I pointed out that one guy was shorter than the refrigerator top and the other hit the flower mark on the wall by the refrigerator like my dad did. refrigerator
Totally agree with your take on Paul Britain. He was a profiler. Not an investigator. Interesting thing on fingerprint misidentification. There was a controlled study in the US where a group of experts were sent fingerprints to identify. The error rate was something like 20%. Not that’s frightening if you happen to be on the wrong side of it
Traumatic events have an amazing effect on a young child's memory. I can distinctly remember a fight that my parents had in front of me when I was less than 2 years old. No one was injured but a glass salad bowl was shattered on the floor. I can see it as though it happened yesterday. I am 36 years old.
Don't worry, most criminals aren't Aspies and most Aspies arent criminals. It's about as reliable as eye color or height in determining criminal behavior. Btw: if you *are* a criminal, Don't Write Down Your Crimes. 🥸
As a fellow aspie it boils my blood too, but mostly that it's even relevant to his story at all. Most of us have a rather strong sense of justice, not that criminals can't be autistic but it seems less likely imo, and I hate the trope that we give off creepy vibes if you understand what I'm getting at.
@@WatashiMachineFullCycleyh. That were just weirdos sucks as a stereotype, just let us be. Frustrates me anytime a true crime Vid mentions a criminal is autistic. What's that gotta do with anything, other than society makes things harder for them?
@@swymaj02 I understand the relevance when it comes to communication issues, that is fundamentally a big struggle with ASD, so if that needs to be explained that's all well and good, but the history of us being portrayed as creepy and having no sympathy/less expressive with emotions is long and problematic, and still lingers in people's minds when you bring attention to ASD in a case like this one. I can't exactly fault Simon's writers if they, like many people, don't know better, but I do hope this ugly stereotype continues to lessen as time goes on. It's not only harmful, it's just plain incorrect.
33:59 My first memory is from I was around 2 years and 4 months old. But trauma either makes you suppress memories or forces you to remember every single detail of it. Let me tell you, the first option is soo much better for your daily life
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Are there any Casual Criminalist notebooks still available? How about creating a poster with the list of what a criminal should and should not do after completion of their crime?
Hey so ik you talked abt him on Biographics, but I would love to hear one of your writers take on Albert Fish. Hes the killer that boggles my mind the most, from his crimes and how he bragged about it to the canibalizm. He is truly a fked up indavidual.
Remember what conan doyle said; making theory before obtaining sufficient data, is a capital mistake.
So what's up with the constant scamming going on with your channel, Simon? Replies being left by someone pretending to be you or your team, telling people to dm them on other platforms to claim prizes because you've won a prize, etc..
These scam replies can't be removed (can report them and remove them but they come back again *instantly* ), and any replies made to the scammer somehow get instantly removed (so users can't even be warned not to fall for the scam - the reply just disappears).
They are using your casual criminalist profile pic and a tweaked version of your channel name.
Know anything about this?
Don't worry you're not being sexist it's pretty well always an old grizzled cop that solves the case someone who needs to have the experience and been around for a while to put the pieces together
As a mother myself, the image of that poor little boy trying to bandage his murdered mum's 49 stab wounds with leaves and bits of tissue is hands-down one of THE most horrific images I could ever possibly imagine. I hope more than anything that Alex has had all the therapy and healing imaginable, and that he's doing as well as can possibly be expected.
May Rachel's memory be a blessing. 💔
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May the memories of Samantha and Jazmine also be a blessing to all who knew and loved them. 💔
Same. I watch a lot of true crime content but that made me sob.
That part really got to me, too.
What a pathetic dumpster fire of an excuse for a human being that murderer is.
i think its horrific mother or not
My continuing thought in this episode is how totally bamf Robert Napper's mother is:
1. She took her kids out of a relationship that was bad for both her and them.
2. She believed them and reported it when they were abused.
3. She held them to account for their actions (reporting Robert to the police for the rape).
That is some solid parenting.
Got them into therapy for abuse.
That poor woman did everything she could
@mechengr17 the system failed her. As the system failed me and my child. The system fails more often than not. I wish I had known that much sooner.
It does restore some faith in humanity and society that her children were at least able to get help and therapy and didn't just fall between the cracks. Sometimes people are too damaged to be healed, but this was mostly on the police IMO.
Unfortunately he still was/turned into a serial rapist and killer
@@ASHl33164yea but autism isn't something you pick up from trauma and while there's evidence suggesting that trauma can be a trigger for symptoms of schizophrenia it's not always present in a schizophrenic person's background. This guy had problems that required professional help and he more than likely didn't get them from growing up
Pro tip from my uncle, who is a firefighter: if you need to get away from someone creepy, the fire station is obligated to help you. So if you can't find a police station to run into- run into a fire station, or any government building
Also this applies for if you are driving, and think someone is following you- pull inti a police station, fire station, or ang kind of government property
Good to know. Thank you
If you live near a military base or post, you can drive up to the gate as well. The SPs/MPs are usually good people and will lend a hand if you need help.
One night/morning, I had a guy follow me after I'd left work when I lived in FL. I was a bartender, it was about 3am and he'd been bugging me all night. I don't mean harmless flirting or silliness, the bouncers had had to talk to him more than once about his behavior.
When I thought he'd left, I left like normal to go home. Thankfully, I spotted him pulling in behind me about a block from work. I drove right up to one of Eglin AFBs gates. I quickly told the SPs that the guy right behind me had been harassing me all night at work, and now he's following me. They let me pull onto the base and they stopped him. Once they had him, I was allowed to go out of the other gate and hi-tail it home. Even though I don't know what happened to him after that, I got home safely without a stalker and he didn't show up at my job again; so, I still consider it a win 🙂
Good to know. There's a fire station a couple of blocks from me 🙂.
I had to do that once when someone followed me. I was super tired and drowsy so I was only driving the speed limit. I was in the right lane and instead of going into the left they started to get all uppity, throwing on their high beams and screaming out their window. Mind you, this wasn't a freeway or anything. It was just a standard road for the area with multiple lanes to drive in. He followed me right into town and even into the police parking lot. (He was that irate that he didn't see where I pulled into. A cop was going to his car and I parked by him and called out. I don't know what happened to the dude but after giving him some more info after he radioed for someone else to come outside to deal with the dude, they let me go and my kids and I were home shortly after.
My uncle died of a heart attack right in front of my cousin when she was 3, she remembers it. It's actually one of her most distinctive & clear memories. Listening to what happened to that little boy & how much he loved his mom made me cry. My daughter is 3, I can't even imagine.
Yeah trauma make very good childhood memories, I was 3 when I needed stitches on the side of my head (due to a accident where I fell), I vividly remember the sensation of the needle in the side of my head, the pillow touching the other side of my face, the smell of the hospital, my vision blurred due to crying, the medical staff and my dad telling me how brave I was, being cross with the staff for only giving me a sticker at the end (I remember thinking that I deserved a lollipop for that)... What I don't actually remember was my parents buying me a whole bag of lollipop after, though I believe them when they tell me I did.
The only other things I really remember from before we moved house when I was 6, was Christmas being cold due to our heating breaking, or snuggling with my dad on the sofa watching star wars and playing with his watch catch, vague memory of building a snowman in the dark, my sister teaching me dances to the spice girls, a holiday we took on a canal boat, thinking the telly was broken when Diana died, helping my dad cook by making bread crumbs (which basically meant me eating a lot of bread because I was a kid), mum putting one of my dads shirts on me backwards so I could paint. But all of these are kind of vague memories, trauma is what helps make a brain really remember stuff when you're that age.
Yeah theres no way this kid blocked it out. He remembered a description weeks later after being asked many times by multiple people, thats the kind of thing that sets memories up in a brain forever.
Jen's editing is absolutely legendary. I love all the gags she adds in, sometimes it honestly feels like she's providing commentary on Simon's commentary through the edits and clips and it feels very meta.
also adds a bit of levity in some otherwise horrific cases
Jen is the invisible yet omnipresent commentary and comedic relief in the background, and I feel like she represents the voice of the audience. She is commentary on our commentary of Simon's commentary. Hella meta.
JEN IS GOAT ALL HAIL JEN 🥇🐐💭
Beautifully stated!
Ohhh, Jen is DEFINITELY giving us massive amounts of fan service through her GIF commentary. xD
And Simon forgot to mention her this episode, for SHAME! She actually helps add most of the levity, especially when he goes off on tangents. Jen, you're a queen and we love you for making Simon more entertaining ^w^
As for Paul Britton, I think people tend to forget that profilers do a lot of profiles every year. It's a bit like asking a doctor a year later to recall the assessment he did on a particular patient without referring to his notes or even the patient's name. Yeah the guy he profiled was a monster but what people don't like to think about is the fact that there are a lot of monsters out there.
This is what he said In his book; basically they gave him the paperwork and asked for asessment, and then a year later they did the same with a separate case.
The government need a fall guy, who better than an outside consultant that is not one of their own?
Agree. The profiler probably comes across a lot of similar profiles in his job because, let's face it, certain crimes tend to be committed by men with similar backgrounds and ideas. Like trying to find the one guilty of a hatekrime by looking at kkk members. Gonna be more than one possible hit.
And every criminal profiler say their profiles are a guide not prognostication.
I agree. They totally did him wrong, I mean, a profile is a pretty generic description of a suspect. It's like trying to make a positive ID of a suspect using a witness description of a 6 foot white man with brown hair. You could find thousands of guys on Facebook that match that.
Oh, poor little Alex. What a clever little hero for trying to help his Mommy! That is so desperately sad. Thank you Simon, thank you Emma.
It was almost a relief to hear him asking whether the dog was OK.
Like he hadn't been able to comprehend what had happened to his mum, because she'd been right next to him. Like 'she must be OK, I know where she is and people are helping her now; is anyone helping the dog'. Poor kid; pray he's doing alright now.
Samantha is especially heartbreaking. There are so, SO many parents who unfortunately put their drug habit above their child but she wasn't. She was doing everything right! So she was an excort? So what? She was doing it for her kid's future and had plans to get out of the lifestyle.
With all the shitty moms out there, he had to target her. And because she wasn't perfect, hadn't always been an angel, the press didn't care.
Exactly. It's a tradgedy that a person like that should be forgotten because she wasn’t considered to be rich and pretty enough
given that it was her case that ended up busting him, she got her revenge. it's cold comfort, given that both her life and that of her daughter were of infinitely more value, but you take what you can get with these sickos
The bible says it's bad, so let's dehumanize and commit horrible acts of violence.
If we don't, the man in the sky will torture us forever.
@@JoshSweetvale The bible also say it's bad for men to engage with prostitutes, but somehow it's desperate women who get the short end of the stick.
This was my thought exactly. This woman got herself clean for the sake of her child, took escort work because she was determined to get her child into a private school, succeeded against all the odds in that goal, then applied for a job at said school to be near her child only to be brutally murdered. That was harder to listen to than all the police ineptitude put together.
It's kind of crazy how the criminal profiler, who's job isn't to catch & convict people, got in more trouble than the people who's actual job was to catch and convict people, especially since he was the least incompetent of the bunch
Agreed. And it must put a chilling effect on profiling. Who would want to help them if this is the result?
Yes!!
Hard agree. It sounded like he and Jackason were the only ones who knew what their job actually was and did it.
Partial disagree since it sounds like he played a role in designing and implementing that honey trap used against an innocent man but thats about the only issue I have with his work. The connections are obvious in hindsight but he probably did enough work outside and in between his profiles of the three incidents that I can fully understand how he missed the connections.
If they want to say his assignment was not detail enough, that one thing nut it was base on the information he was given. The issue the police didn't really do much with the information he gave
Hi Simon,
Getting my Masters in Forensic Psychology we are encouraged to study this case in how NOT to advise the police, as this set the reputation of profssion back to the stone age. Essentially what was done wrong in this case was: the psychologist encoraged police target fixation, and openly advised against alternative avinues of discovery because they cared more about their profile being proven right, then catching the criminal. They also strongly encouraged the "honey trap" even though it was clearly not something the police should be doing.
Forensic psychology should be about probabilites based on previous reseach and cases, and you can actively damage a case if you rule out perps instead of labelling them as "statistical outliers, worthy of investigation," just because they aren't a perfect statistical match for your profile.
Thank you for this information! Super important and helpful.
Thanks, that's helpful to know and sheds more light on the why for the action against the profiler; I didn't realise he was encouraging measures which were actively damaging.
What is even the point of criminal profiling at all if the profiles can't be used to eliminate suspects? If you have to investigate all suspects anyway, surely it would be a more effective use of resources to just hire more investigators, rather then waste time and money creating a useless profile.
@@hughmortyproductions8562 You seem a bit hostile, but i'll presume your question was asked with honest intent.
Profiles are an investigative tool, not a smoking gun. No psychologist, no matter how qualified or experienced can generate a 100% accurate profile 100% of the time, because humans as a rule don’t fit into neat little boxes that easily. But what a good profiler can do is give you direction in a case: For example:
A man is shot with a small calibre gun at close range.
Based on this single fact my profile would say something like “high probability it’s a woman known to victim, the motive will be likely to protect or defend another shared acquaintance or love rather than financially motivated.”
Because: female killers tend to favour small calibre weapons, close range indicates that the kill is personal, as guns do not usually require the shooter to be close. Male killers tend to favour their bare hand or weapons of opportunity in personal kills and would only use a gun in the case of professional hit, in which case the calibre would probably be larger. If it was financially motivated the killer would have used poison or arson statistically speaking, this killer needed the victim to know they were being killed and perhaps even who they were killed by.
This profile shouldn’t exclude the possibility of a male killer, but it should give the police greater focus to expend their resources on, and if they to find a likely male suspect the profiler should ABSOLUTELY NOT interfere with that investigation, but instead document it and try and learn from it to create better profiles in future.
@@theninjajay It was an honest question in the sense that I really did want to read your justification of it. But I am quite skeptical about the value of criminal profiling. I don't believe that the data indicates that profiling is worth devoting resources to.
The kind of broad statistical details like in the example you gave are things that experienced investigators already know. Any attempts to give more specific details (stuff like "he probably works a low paying job and lives alone") are pretty much all pseudoscience that rely on the profiler's intuition rather than any actual data.
Even the most favourable studies show that trained criminal profilers are only slightly more accurate than police officers without specific training in profiling (and other studies find that they are not any more accurate at all). If a profile could be used to eliminate suspects then making it slightly more accurate might be worth devoting resources to, but since police still have to investigate all suspects anyway it just isn't worth it.
FYI as a defense attorney, absolutely DO confess your crimes to your lawyer. Privilege guarantee they have to keep your confidence and there is nothing worse as a defense attorney than when the prosecutor blindsides you with something your own client failed to tell you
Sure they do.
Is an attorney allowed to present a defense of his client that he knows isn't true? I thought that was a big breech of ethics or something.
@@tthompson9244 it is a breach of ethics to misrepresent material facts to the court. But a solid defense can be built around, for example, the idea that the police did sloppy work or that the victim has motive to lie. The defense doesn’t have to prove anything. The state has the burden of proof. The defense just has to show how the state didn’t meet their burden. That’s why the jury finds “not guilty” instead of “innocent”. Because we are not proving someone is innocent. We are simply arguing that the state didn’t prove them guilty. You are correct that we can’t put our client on the stand to knowingly elicit a lie. But a defendant doesn’t need to testify and we often advise them not to.
A great '80s movie that shows this is "From The Hip" with Judd Nelson. 😽
Hi Cyndi, shot in the dark here but any advice or thoughts for someone that was denied a public defender because of a "denied application" for a public defender? took a guilty plea, under threat of bond revocation if the DUI case went to trial even though he would be forced to represent himself.
I'm looking forward to Simons new channel where he travels the world reviewing silver birch trees and comments on how different climates affect their growth rate. Each episode is going to be at least 4 hours long with 100% viewer retention
I need that link lol
Looking forward to that as well.
Let's call it Treeprojects, where he just goes around talking about trees
That was funny. 💖
RE: the whole confessing to your lawyer thing.
Technically lawyers, psychologists and priests have immunity from revealing crimes committed by their clients / patients. However they are obligated to report the an ongoing commission of a crime. So a lawyer advising a defendant who he knows is guilty can honestly advise them on what their best defense is, but not assist them in perjury or committing additional crimes.
A Catholic Priest will get excommunicated for breaking the Seal of the Confessional. They can urge the person to turn themselves in, but can't turn the person in themselves.
Psychiatrists and psychologists can only report a crime if the client is thinking of hurting themselves or others, or if a child is involved. Otherwise, everything else is confidential, and the professional can have their licence revoked for breaking confidentiality
But they DO assist them in committing additional crimes. They don't merely stand by to be sure a person is getting a fair trial. They ACTIVELY TRY TO GET THEM OFF! They succeed & that client, who they KNEW full well had committed the crime they were on trial for, goes on to continue breaking the law!
A priest is not required to give absolution. The priest can't turn them in, but they can require a criminal to turn themselves in if they want absolution.
Priests are not permitted to divulge anything from a confession, even an ongoing crime or an intent to commit a crime. But they would council them to not do it, and would tell them they should turn themselves in.
If you tell a lawyer that you absolutely committed the crime they are charged with then any ethical lawyer will tell them to take a plea deal. If their client won't plead guilty they likely will refuse to counsel them further.
But if the client does not admit they are guilty to their lawyer then they can proceed with the case seeking a plea of "Not Guilty'. Keep in mind thar "Not Guilty" is not equal to "Innocent".
@@latoyathomas6544 well that's their job. And when they know they can't et them off, they try to get the lowest sentence possible which is when they start trying to negotiate for plea deals.
That kid from his first murder definitely remembers that incident, it's not a memory that simply fades with time because you never get a chance to forget something like that. That moment is going to keep coming back to the surface of his mind, every time a friend talked about their parents, every time someone asks about him about his parents, every time you see other children sharing close moments with their parents. A moment like that is profoundly impactful and even if you don't remember it vividly, he'll still remember flashes of scenes from it.
My biological mother was really poor so I was moved into foster care at the age of 3, yet to this day I can remember seeing the stars through the holes in our roof and even when I dropped a toy helicopter in one of the houses we lived in and it fell through the floorboards, all moments not nearly as emotionally intense and all that occurred before I turned 3.
Yeah I disagree.
Maybe you are an exception but almost every one has no memory of their life before age 4 and the memories that people think they have of before that age are more than likely false.
Traumatic events are likely to be blocked even by adults.
I've tested this (not the traumatic experience part) on multiple kids and none make it past 4 many can't remember anything before age 6 or 7.
I'd bet 3 months wages he has no memory of it at all.
It's the opposite of definitely does it's an almost definitely doesn't.
Just google it before you argue.
Not saying it isn't in his subconscious or that he wont suffer effects from it.
Absolute 🧢
Things that never happened
Meanwhile I was horribly abused, and I have 1-2 memories from being about 5, blank until 12, and then 1-5 memories until 20... So... The brain handles trauma in a variety of interesting ways. That's all I can say :P
I remember that my high chair was yellow. I was a little baby when adopted, but despite an orphanage I remember nothing of that.
Police: we have investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of ANY wrongdoing
A yes the good old I've investigated and cleared myself of eating any cookie that didnt belong to me anyway. Source: Trust me bro 😉. Just with a looot more serious connotations
And Simon cheers for them
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt typical of a woke leftist. Whatever daddy goverment says goes. Remember 2020
Amazing, that! Who'd ever have thought? 🤔
This would be hilarious if it weren’t true and multiple times 😔
I love how often he apologises for the tangents and stories yet that's why most of us watch, it's your personality with the fascinating stories, it's like having a friend In the room telling us about his job as a profiler or something
That little blip of Pedro Lopez popping up in the corner as Simon says "People are good" made me pause and laugh. I really needed that laugh after such an episode.
My heart goes out to all the victims and their families. I cried when hearing about Samantha and Jazmine, they both deserved a better life. I have no doubt Samantha was a great mother who was doing everything to give her daughter a good life. I also know if given the chance, Jazmine would have turned out to be a great woman. 😢
4:10 - Chapter 1 - The elusive Robert Napper
11:30 - Mid roll ads
13:00 - Chapter 2 - The green chain rap*st
31:10 - Chapter 3 - The murder of rachel Nickell
40:45 - Chapter 4 - The honey trap
47:50 - Chapter 5 - The murders of samathan & jasmine bisset
57:45 - Chapter 6 - The bisset inquiry
1:02:30 - Chapter 7 - Connecting the dots
1:14:30 - Chapter 8 - The arrest & trial of Robert Napper
1:20:55 - Chapter 9 - It was Napper wot done it
1:27:35 - Dismembered appendices
Man I haven't seen one of these comments updated in real time before
Have you a point. This is not a comment. Why do you feel the urge to post useless shit ?
I don’t know what I love more: Simon’s tangents or him calling himself for his tangents. 😂
I don't have any children yet, but anytime a case involves children, it always breaks my heart. I can only imagine how much rage and pain Simon must feel in such cases.
"The time spinners going wonky again resulting in the time monks having to re set them again"!!! Amazing! Very nice Pratchett insert there
I was once followed for a long time by a very creepy guy in a beat-up old car, and I also went to the closest police station as fast as possible. As soon as I turned into the parking lot of the station, he quickly drove away.
I'd definitely recommend this to anyone in a similar situation! What's the worst that can happen, after all? The police think you're paranoid?
It could be much, much worse!
Oh, and when it happened, my mother(who’s usually quite savvy) actually gave me the WORST possible advice for such a situation. So FWIW, here’s what NOT to do: my mum told me “Oh no! You’d better drive home as soon as possible!! Then your dad can walk you inside”
I was like, “What, and show the creepy stalker exactly where I live!? No way! Dad’s not going to be home all the time, after all! No way!!”
So yeah. Do NOT go straight home. Go somewhere safe, well-lit & public…like a police station. Don’t lead a creeper directly to your front door. 👍🏽😁
'Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you'.
I just wanted to let Simon and the team know that this is at least the second TCC that I watched in it’s entirety twice. I was more than halfway through when I realized that I watched/listened to this already and I enjoyed it so much that I finished the video. The other video that I noticed that I watched twice was the Teacup Murderer. Thank you for keeping me entertained while I do my chores
i know right? reliable background noise
As someone who's been detained under the mental health act, (not for crimes, just for depression) that shit is HORRIBLE, you may as well have been sent to prison...though I think it's actually easier to escape from prison.
In prison you atleast know the date they let you out again. No acting in front of doctors required
Free slaves.
@JoshSweetvale it's called "owing a debt to society". A fundamental part of western law.
Nah man prison is way ducking worse , I been In both for long periods unfortunately
Edit for Simon: I believe that I heard that Alex moved to France with his (step?)father, Andre and he lived a relatively normal life. Which is really the best we can hope for in this situation. Poor kid.
I've read some of the letters that Colin got and it's heartbreaking. He really was into her and the fact that he was manipulated by a roomful of police is just so wrong. He really was willing to do almost anything to make her happy, but admitting to a murder he didn't do was just too much. Honestly, it gives me flashbacks to high school and the terrible ways people mess with each other by pretending that your crush secretly likes you so you make a big mess. I did not hang out with anyone who did things like that for long.
so, three quarters of all teenagers lol
I loved your post.
Once again Jen was on fire, she's the hero we need, want and deserve.
I was being followed home from work one night and I took father great advise and just walked into the closest house. The owners were a little shocked until I explained and called my dad to pick me up. I dropped off flowers and candy the next night to say thank you.
They were real angels.
As if walking into a strangers house wouldn't get you shot lol
This is such a classic case in Criminology and I’m genuinely happy that this was uploaded- Gotta feel bad for Colin Stagg though
Simon putting himself in place of Rachel and his kid mentally is utterly heartbreaking.
You would be forgiven for hoping a three year old would not remember but the reality is traumatic events are much more vivid and easier to recall.
they may indeed never remember. no matter how traumatic. three years olds is still pushing it on the younger side. Don't get me wrong, it will affect them forever regardless, but that will happen regardless of wether or not they remember it clear enough to retell it for example
Ok, completely not related to the crimes, but it made my little geek heart burst with joy to hear a Pratchett reference at 1:18:20! Theif of Time was so freakin' good!
You are SUCH a nerd.
Ah yes another feature length cinematic masterpiece from Simon, 10/10 would watch over going to the cinema any day
Your name is epic.
You should challenge Simon to pronounce your name without a pronunciation key and watch him sweat!!! ☮
now calm down, this ain't no piece of art lol, just popcorn in youtube form. unless by cinema you mean exactly that, popcorn flicks
@@magical571yum.
Ty for existing. Love true crime and just stumbled upon the page while working. Was listening to random videos and yours popped up. Now I listen to them at work. This page and LPOTL are my favorite now.
Thank you Emma and Jen, the real heroes of the Whistlerverse.
Simon, I just wanted to thank you for the compassion you show victims regardless of time passed. I've never been moved to tears by CC but this one got me. As a rape survivor, there was a lot to unpack here, though it wasn't even that... Hearing you described that wee boy trying to bandage his Mummy & make her better hit really fucking hard my man but it was the moment of honest, raw love you showed him for that moment in his life just... Maaaan, that was a moment that took a while to pass. Thank you for that bab.
Great episode... Can we get a CasCrim on Gakirah Barnes? The teenage-female hitman from Chicago? Started killing at a young age and her 180 from student to hired gun is an amazing tale... Her death is also a hellava twist
King von too?
Sadly, that baby probably remembered at least parts of the traumatic event. I know I still remember parts of the horrific thing that happened to me at 3 years old even though I'm edging towards 40 now. I think the aspect of this case that makes me most angry, besides the crimes themselves, is that a mother did the right thing even though it probably hurt her too by turning in her son. If the cops did what they should have done, then maybe the other crimes would not have happened.
Thank you for confirming that it is possible for someone to remember what happened that young. My earliest memory is from 4 that I'm sure of and not horrific.
We had a home invasion when I was three. I remember a great deal of it.
Fortunately, it was not as violent as these attacks. They were professionals and just wanted to control the scene and get the money/safe contents.
Still terrifying though.
Unfortunately traumatic memories are far more likely to become long-term memories. At a young age, it has to be an exceptional event to force a long-term memory formation. I was a few months shy of 3 years old when I fell out of a moving car. I'm 47 now and remember it like it happened last week, not over 4 decades ago.
(This was in a time when back seat seatbelts weren't compulsory and in some cars they didn't even exist. The latter was the case for my mother's car. The door latch was unknowingly faulty and I leaned against the door as the car went around a corner, door swung open and I fell out. I could have been killed, but instead I was very lucky. Just a few bumps and scrapes. Always wear your seatbelt.)
I remember events from when I was two years old. One is the day we moved from a house in the city into an old farm house. I also remember watching Star Wars from the projection boot. A close family friend run the projector. I asked him where my parents were and he said down there and pointed to the window. I started crying think my parents were on Leia's ship getting attacked. He picked me up and said no, no , no, down there and pointed to the audience below and I enjoyed the rest of the movie. When I was older I asked my dad why I was in the projection booth, could not get enough tickets and his friend said "just bring one of the kids up to the booth, you gotta come see this movie!" I even remember being in line at the movie theater that day it was like a mad house with such a long line.
I have great long term memory but ask me what I did 5 minutes ago and I can't tell you. Come back and ask me in five years and I'll likely remember!
Most memories from before age 4 are false memories. Simple facts.
What I don't get is why cops didn't connect Napper to the earlier cases when his own mother reported him? Like they took her statement and didn't follow up on it at all, and later didn't look it up either when looking for suspects. Like "oh, hey we have this record from this woman saying her son confessed to something. Let's pay him a visit" and that honey trap with with Colin. HE NEVER ONCE GAVE IN. He just told the lady about his fantasies with a consenting and willing partner.
Edit: a yeah bc he was shorter...like hight is kinda difficult to estimate sometimes. People can appear taller depending on how baggy/long their clothes are, or on their hair or type of shoes they're wearing...like srsly that's a rather bad way to eliminate someone totally
As a short person everyone appears tall so my estimates are always skewed 😅
Also if you're being attacked, your attacker quite often seems much bigger than they usually are.
@@heathergarnham9555 yes. Even just feeling defensive against someone can make you perceive them as a little larger than they actually are, especially if they’re aggressively shouting or being verbally confrontational. The weird little things our brains do means that when no identity is known and only eyewitness accounts describe them, suspects shouldn’t be ruled out just because they don’t fit the profile perfectly. And I’m not even mentioning the fact that some people interpret words slightly differently; for example, for me, I consider brown hair to be like, dark or a fairly deep brown most of the time when I’m describing it. Whereas someone else may consider brown to be like, lighter. So brown hair could mean a whole host of colors. Lol
@@wolfiemuse technically my mum has brown hair,but it's so dark many ppl have called it black.
@@heathergarnham9555 right on. Exactly what I’m talking about
In the future when they asked why Simon went bad I'm going to think Pedro Lopez. When they ask about his villain origin story I am going to blame Pedro Lopez. When they ask how he managed to get away with so much I am going to wonder how incompetent the police are. I'm going to remember that Simon trusts no one and would not share his crimes. This is how he managed to keep so many in his basement for so long
He DOES do an awful lot of renovating.
my husband and oldest daughter were taking a walk when she was little and someone called the cops on them, cause they were concerned about a guy walking with a little girl (we live outside of city limits, so I can kinda see it looking shady) either way, she confirmed he was her dad and then told the cop he should do something about all the litter on the side of the road 😂
So...your kid was an asshole to the coo for ensuring a kid was safe from predators and being proactive. Why do I get the feeling you'd have a far different opinion if your kid had been kidnapped and the cops didn't stop someone. Shut up and stop encouraging asshole behavior
@@ArgentLeftoversdude, it's a cute story, lighten up.
What an awesome kid you have. 👏👏👏
And she has grown up to be a star career guru.
Simon, I just want you to know that I love it when you start rambling. It makes you so much more approachable, and then it feels like a conversation in a living room, which I love. I feel like with these horrific cases we need some human-type humor to leaven them, so never change what you do!
more like, it shows how much of an emptyhead he is lol
The 3 year old trying to cure his stabbed mother with leaves and tissues will haunt me forever...
Thank god he was so young. I hope he won't have any memories of it.
yes, a 3 year old would remember that.
one of my earliest memories was when I was 2.5-ish... I know b/c my sister was a baby, but she couldn't crawl (b/c she has a heart condition that affected her gross motor function) & there was still carpet in the kitchen.
and it wasn't traumatic :( trauma unfortunately sears itself in a person's memory, even a barely 3 year old
The fact that even Simon can remember his episode of Pedro Lopez 6 months later should be enough to tell you how utterly horrible he is. (bad was not descriptive enough)
Yhea he was definitely a total piece of shit but can't agree with Simon when p like Hitler, Stalin and those other people who committed/caused a genocide to take place. There's no way a serial killer would be the worst person ever born. That'd be a leader of a country or other very powerful person.
100 % nailed it, Brett.
More people need to hear this!
I have a suggestion for an episode, it probably gonna give nightmares to Simon and to all parents, really.
That being said, I remember from my childhood, the panic and outrage. It’s my first memory where my family were suspicious of strangers and that I got the universal speech to be wary of strangers. It’s a case that even a couple of years ago, people would protest en masse when something happens concerning these perpetrator(s). It has left a mark on the people from Belgium like no other criminal case.
Also, this is the only channel I would suggest this to. I’m a big fan on how the writers show respect to the victims. So here it goes: Marc Dutroux, the monster of Belgium.
I heared about that fucker in Elementary school
@@Excelsius_Cerell I mean conspiracy theories, corruption, suspects in high places and still a lot of questions that, to this day, are still unanswered. The whole country was in an uproar. God, it was bad. When I hear about what happened? I still get chills!
@@bobmurphy9270 might be. He still talks about the Pedro Lopez case quite a bit. Maybe not such a good idea to fuel his nightmares more.
Even if we took the government out of it, it was at its base level already horrific. Not saying that other cases, even covered here, aren’t, all of them are horrible in their own right. But there is something about this one, that gives me chills to this day.
The reason I suggested it, is because the writers and Simon have such respect for the victims. The writers do their research really well and the phrase: more CSi not saw, is something this case really needs. But I can definitely understand if they do not want to, definitely for the reasons you stated.
@@Lolo_Muys they have such weak stomachs and mental gymnastics for the hipocrisy lol. If they truly cared, they wouldn't profit a single penny from this and donate most if not all to the affected families, or in case they are all dead, relevant charities. but this is monetizing crimes, no matter how classy they want to present themselves, which is bullshit. "more sci less saw" yeah right, like that makes any difference, all it does is point out simon's sheltered self. own the fact that you are banking on morbid curiosity and go deep into the cases.
Simon: I read the news, especially out of America, holy s***, America, what are you up to?
Me, an American: I ask myself that question multiple times a day.
I am in never apologize for your tangents. I enjoyed them. It’s one of the things that make the channel special.
the one two punch of "Ad-ad-ass trainers" and then a random Terry Pratchett reference gave me a little laugh at the end of the horror.
Yes! Another longer one! Thanks Simon and Co. 🍻💯
This is a horrific and frustrating case of course and Emma did a good job with the script, but I gotta say Jen's on her A-game with the edits and enhancements this episode just excellent timing and like the perfect clips etc. xD
I can't get over the fact that his mom told the police who it was!!
1:18:27 - nice Pratchett reference.
1:31:00 - yeah, he profiled nad somewhat on the nose. Britton was just going through his job.
33:46 one of my parents had an accident involving a lot of blood when I was 1. I don’t remember at all. But apparently I locked myself in the bathroom (I must have stood on tip toes to reach the lock!) and I have had haematophobia ever since. These days it’s less intense, I’m not so scared I will faint or anything, I just feel really nauseous and panicky.
I was very lucky that my parent was fine after stitches etc. and there was no real “trauma” just an accident and a mess. I think regardless of actual memories, it would leave a scar somewhere.
When one of my younger siblings died, I didn’t remember them (I would have been 18 months old). But I spent my whole life feeling like I was missing a twin, or just had a hold in my soul. The first time I ever felt completely okay, was holding my first baby. I realised then that my void, my missing ache, is probably grief from before I can understand.
simon's PC (podcasts) have it all: emotions, facts, jokes and rage in its purest forms. strongly recommended! +++ Triple A Rating ;)
Yes. You can confess to your attorney and in fact, the attorneys encourage their defendant to tell them everything so they know what not to ask.
And if they know about it, they can prepare a defense for it when the prosecution asks about it.
Pressure point is a thing. They are the concentration point of nerves, blood vessel or tendons. Striking them in the correct way can have much more significant effect than other locations. But it's not as all powerful and mystified as the movies etc will tell you. It is more of a multiplier of effect and not instant magical things, and it can only achieve disable or deadly effects, not other weird effect like hallucination, laughter or whatever.
My earliest memory would be from when I was a little more than two years old. I was in a small bed in my grandparents, with the sunlight streaming in through a window. There are other memories from about 3-4, including standing on the front seat between my grandmother and her friend as we drove into the small town and across the railway tracks. Yes, in the days before bucket seats and compulsory seat belts. None of these were in any way traumatic for me. The terrible experience of trying to help one's dead mother would be very likely to be remembered. Not well, perhaps, but still remembered.
On a lighter note, I love the reference to Pratchett's "Thief of Time". Nice one, Emma!
Yes, I have memories from that time. I was able to verify because we moved at least every year. Very different climates, architecture, and even languages/physical looking people. A lot of my memories are mundane, some are from dramatic & traumatic things but not all most are simple things.
It is extremely common for someone who is violently assaulted to over-estimate height and weight of their attacker. Bigger things are seen as more scary/violent, so of course when you recall someone who caused you so much harm, you start to think of them as bigger and more powerful than they really were.
Later, if a victim is able to walk through the attack, they're often able to recall more realistically -- oh, his voice was right at my ear, not above my head, his hands were just a little bigger than mine, I looked down as he pulled me back and his feet were only a couple inches longer than mine, etc.
I wanted to say no one would do anything if a woman said she was being followed by someone. However after thinking about it even I, the most apathetic person ever, would definitely take action.
Good advice. When in doubt, seek public assistance ladies.
Or gentlemen, anyone really
Always.
1:13:10- simon and garfunkel's "creep down the alleyway, fly down the highway... before they come to catch me i'll be gone... somewhere... they can't find me" is now stuck in my head. thanks, simon.
You should really do a video on Luis Garavito or "the beast" as he's known in Columbia. He murdered at least 140 children, possibly up to 400, and may get out of prison in 2023.
😳
Simon: yeah, I'm just going to say this name as bis-AY from now on.
Also Simon: proceeds to pronounce it as bis-ET for the rest of the script.
Samantha and Jasmine got me. I'm not Scottish, but I live in Dundee now, and maybe that's why it hit so close to home. Oh my heart just aches for those poor sweet souls. I'm so sorry Samantha and Jasmine, I'm so sorry that you, and all of the other poor souls taken out of this world so viciously, so cruelly, lost your lives to this garbage piece of sh*t human being. I'm so so sorry. Jasmine would be the same age as my sister now. My sister got engaged last year. God my heart hurts.
I seen a man at an amusement park when I was a 9-year-old fast forward 21 years I was working with him building a patio. I described his hair as outfit his girlfriend at the time the time he was on the same ride as me. It is truly amazing
Prosopagnosia. I have it too. I live in fear of being either a victim of a crime who can never know for sure the person is off the streets or who gets murdered to keep me from identifying them when I wouldn't be able to anyway.
Don't let that get to you to deeply, eye witness testimony is literally some of the worst kind of "evidence" in a trial and is notoriously unreliable. Even for people without that prognosis.
Here's the thing, in the US, confidentiality is in effect if the person is guilty. That is the point. If you have a meeting with a lawyer to discuss the case and talk strategy, if you are guilty, you should start by doing so. Tell them everything, that way they know what they are up against and tk help them figure out how to fight the case. With doctors, it is so they know how you were injured so they know how to treat you, especially of you are on drugs, so they can figure out how the prescribed meds may interact with what substance you are on. Same thing with religious confidentiality (can't confess to a sin if you can't tell them what you did) and with parents. With the parents, it is more so they can help you navigate what to do. For less extreme scenarios, think about of you shop lift, or throw a ball and break a neighbor's window. You have to be able to tell your parents so they can help you with how to apologize, offer to repay the person etc.... Again the point of any confidentiality (at least in the US) is so you can tell them your crime, so they can help you afterwards.
That said there are exceptions, for ongoing/future crimes. If you tell someone you are going to hurt yourself, or someone else, they are supposed to come forward.
I'd like to see Simon tell the story of Shootashellz. The crimes would fit this channel, and I doubt Simon's really familiar with Chicago drill, so his reaction to it would be interesting.
Outline: Shootashellz (1995-2017) was an orphan by eleven, after losing both parents to violence in separate incidents. He was staying where ever someone was nice enough to let him, even sleeping in abandoned buildings and stuff like that in his early teens. He'd get in a little trouble here and there, but he was mainly a introvert that kept to himself. Then someone murdered his brother, and he went all in. He allegedly killed at least 5 people associated with the man who murdered his brother, and that man himself. He did that one extra dirty though, literally stood over him and shot him in the head at least 14 times... As you can probably guess that made him a huge target, and unfortunately it didn't take long for karma to catch up.
Shootashellz was getting into his car in broad daylight when 3 masked gunmen ran up. He started sprinting, but there was no cover near by. Roughly 2 dozen shots hit him before he fell, his legs, back, arms, everywhere... Then the shooters walked up and took turns shooting him in the face 17 more times...
It's one of the most tragic true stories I've ever heard. It's the perfect example of how destructive gang violence can be. If you listen to his song "The price of streets" you'll hear he wasn't some mindless killer, he was pretty insightful and hurt just like anybody else. He was kind of lead down a path there was no turning back from. Rip to both sides, it's complicated.
I wait every episode for the "O-Kayy!" Kid. Love you Jen!
About pressure points, there is one somewhere in the upper outer section for your glutes that if you press you will feel intense pain and your leg will just give up. It's been a long time since I was in school for this so I can't remember the name or exact location but you should totally give it a try.
3 and 4 are when we first start forming memories. Traumatic events are particularly likely to be stored as first memories... this is quite likely Alex's first formed memory. I hope not, but it's a distinct possibility.
❤️Love listening to your vois and your funny comments. Also a shout out to the rest of the crew, you all doing a fantastic job👍❤️. Happy holidays to you all! Here in Sweden 🇸🇪 we celebrate Christmas as early as tomorrow .🧑🎄🎄
My DNA profile is on file in UK database. I volunteered it as part of the bid to improve the system to keep it in line with international standard and beyond. Very happy to be part of it
Thank you!
Have you done a video on Ken McElroy? If you haven't, you really should. I want to see Simon read that script.
Where the town murdered him?
@@swymaj02 yup
I love this story, and I think Simon would too
Reminder for everyone: many places like bars have certain code words you can say when ordering to covertly alert the bartender that you're possibly in danger. Look up what is used in your area, maybe go to bars and just ask the bartender. Whatever dodgy situation you find yourself in this can be one of the safest ways out of that. Take care, and stay safe!
Good bartenders are all over it.
That's not real...
The inability to recognise faces is called prosopagnosia! In severe cases, people struggle to visibly focus on, or read facial expressions. I have it, too, Simon; in my case, I can't distinguish race, age, or ethnicity.
I don’t think I have it, but I really struggle with faces, and tend to Recognize people based on hairstyles funnily enough. I can distinguish race, but I struggle with age and gender, especially if I have to distinguish between two people who have the same skin color or hair color. And it’s double hard if they have the same hairstyle and the same skin and hair color. But it’s not impossible for me to recognize faces, I just need to see the face regularly. Once I’ve memorized a face I never forget it.
Just yesterday had a visiter and recognized them by voice rather than by face.
WebMD?
I want a shirt of an outlinr of your head saying "Actually I made a video on my other channel about that" 😀
perfect! gotta do my nails today, plus it is -7 here (approximately -21 for the rest of the world) not including wind chill. Time to listen to a long new CasCrim!!!!
Same here. Weather is absolutely murderous outside!! (I'm in NorthWestern IL though)
So I know everyone as well praises the writers and don’t get me wrong the writers do amazing jobs, but Jen’s editing is next level I listen to these as pod cast form but always watch the TH-cam version for the edit clips
17:05 Hi Simon. Autistic people, like myself often look much younger than their actual age. I am in my 30's and people think I am 16 to 18. I still get in trouble bartending at events. The owners don't think I'm old enough to be behind the bar. I have to show the managers and owners my drivers license. And at other jobs, teenage coworkers try to ask me out 🤢
We do?
Agreed. I work with a lot of autistic people and find this to be common. Not all but many.
I would add that some people also are not really great at judging ages. I never was and worked at bars for years. So I tended to card everyone because I got in trouble early on for always thinking people were older. I would be the kind of kid who swore my 25-30 year old teacher or doctor was old -old, grandparent age old. And thought teens looked like 30 yo.
Now when I ask staff about ages I ask about other examples as well. To see what their base line is.
Same with heights. The men in our family are all over 6' so I thought of 5'10" as short.
I have what was called Asperger's and I look horrible for my age, I'm 32 and could pass for 40. Hard life 😂
I have Asperger’s and looked old for my age until I was about 30-35 when I started looking younger. My son is truly aut!ztic and at 21 looks 14.
Speak for yourself.We "autistic" people,look like people!
I've been listening to true crime for a long time... But I broke down when he talked about her 3 year old boy. I also have a 3 year old boy and that one hurt.
I’m glad it’s another long episode!
Great work to the authors, editors nd simon. Same cant be said for police
I have a memory of being in a crib and crying while I watched a shadow of a man hitting a shadow of a woman at the end of the hall. My mother told me that I was 1 at the time and it was the only time my father had ever hit my mother. So a 3 year old could easily remember that.
You must’ve been very close to two my dude, because long term memories physically cannot form until around the age of two, and they’re incredibly sparse at that age (since it’s so difficult for your brain). I have memories from when I was three though, so I could believe you having a memory from that time if it was close to 2 years. Cool science fact though, your brain is super underdeveloped coming out of the womb, but rapidly develops the first 5 years of your life (and completes its development around 25 years of age). The first 5 years make up for 95% of your brains development. This is why your brain can’t form memories until 2 years, as your brain does not have the functions to do that yet. But you could’ve have a brain that developed slightly faster, allowing it to retain a vague memory from that time, which would be fascinating because of the health implications that might bring (namely advanced aging stuff). Have you ever noticed early onset of other factors of your life?
@@justalittleturtle5600 I can remember converstations I have had when I was 8-ish. I am nearly 60 now and have had my IQ determined to be 178. So, I dont know.
We moved every year so the houses, weather and even languages marked where certain memories I have came from. I have memories from two and a few impressions from earlier. Lots from age three. Including a home invasion and some other dramatic things.
It happens.
@@justalittleturtle5600that was fun thanks.
At this point "Simon mentions Pedro Lopez" should be added to a Casual Criminalist bingo. I'd like to see an episode on Luis Garavito. Just to see how he'd do on Simon's trauma scale against Lopez.
All these years later, when I hear the name "Rachel Nickell", I think "Colin Stagg", shocking that "Robert Napper" rings no bells
I'm the other way round. The name Robert Napper reminds me of Rachel Nickell, whereas Colin Stagg reminds me of handsome payout the poor bastard was eventually awarded.
18:00 There's a simple way to deal with that... DON'T CLASSIFY UNSOLVED CRIMES AS "CASE CLOSED". Keep them OPEN.
Just a FYI: knife play in the RACK scene is generally used to just produce a fear response and sensation play, not to cut. Things like switching from a showing a sharp blade to switching to a dull blade to touch are done. I been to a class on it and know some folk that enjoy topping and bottoming for it. It's less extreme than it seems to the uninformed imo (I'd likely think it more extreme just by the name).
Fascinating, it’s kinda of like choking play then? I can’t tell which is more dangerous, because technically you’re still playing with knifes (no matter how blunt), but I feel like choke play is the more dangerous of the two. Or maybe I just have a negative basis towards it. I’ve been told it makes things more intense, and therefore enjoyable by the choke play lovers, so is that the case with the knifers?
@@justalittleturtle5600 I've bottomed to choke play but would never top it due to the risks (and not being interested enough (in topping) to learn how to top it with lowered risks). Some kink groups will refuse to have breath play classes due to risk (other do because for those that want to do it, it's vital to have the information about how to do it more safely ; The term rack is good to know -- risk aware consentual kink -- there is risks in many types of kink play, but rack acknowledges can understand and consent to those risks), Vs I don't think knife play is considered as dangerous as the sharp knife should be switched out mjch before touches skin, vs. Breath play, put the hands wrong can kill/cause permit damage. I'd also say the difference is is that breath play has distinct sensations that cannot easily be replicated by other types of play, vs. the sensation and illiciting fear is ones that are easier to play with using different types of play (even flogging can illicit both). I was brown outed twice in breath play classes, I can't think of a good way to replicate that in other play, or "struggling to Breath" aspect is some Breath play? Breath play does also have the fear and sensation aspects.
However never done knife play, just been to classes so someone who has likely would have a better comparison.
@@justalittleturtle5600 I definitely consider breathplay to be the riskier of the 2 and would only take part with someone I have absolute trust in. You get a lot closer to danger with breath play. As far as knife play goes, mitigating the risk isn't too hard, in my experience. I like to also incorporate retractable blades that are a but like stage knives, so if you want to intensify the scene, you can "cut" into your partner, with a convincing looking prop that has a dull side just retracting when pressed against skin. It's more about the sensation, the illusion of that kind of danger, at least that's how it's been for me.
Simon has more tangents than calc1 and I love it. It gives personality to the videos.
Love these videos. True crime is always interesting.
2:30 I completely disagree, who TF is buying and reading someone else's chicken scratch? Not me ✌🏻
Merry Christmas!
I agree that it was unfair to blame Paul Britton on this. It wasn’t his job to connect the dots, if anything the police should have keyed in on this. However, while the profile was accurate, it was very far from being specific, in that it could apply to a large number of young men who were NOT rapists and murderers. The profile, in and of itself, was not going to break the case. It was a tool he gave to the investors, it was THEIR job to make use of it.
I knew a Paul Britton, he'd be clueless too.
Yhea they're actually starting to move away from profiling as it confuses as much as it helps. They still use the stuff about what area the killer might live and the most basic stuff about age, race, stuff that's been shown to be reliable but isn't stuff they build a case around but the things that claim some deeper knowledge like the stuff about the occult in this case.
On the subject of traumatic events and memory, it's entirely possible for your attacker to seem larger than life in the most acute state of trauma, but as you start to process the events you might start to remember reference points to judge, for example, height by.
We had a house invasion when I was three. They all seemed like huge grown ups. I was on the floor for most of it.
I only noted two of the height differences when I pointed out that one guy was shorter than the refrigerator top and the other hit the flower mark on the wall by the refrigerator like my dad did. refrigerator
Totally agree with your take on Paul Britain. He was a profiler. Not an investigator.
Interesting thing on fingerprint misidentification. There was a controlled study in the US where a group of experts were sent fingerprints to identify. The error rate was something like 20%. Not that’s frightening if you happen to be on the wrong side of it
Traumatic events have an amazing effect on a young child's memory. I can distinctly remember a fight that my parents had in front of me when I was less than 2 years old. No one was injured but a glass salad bowl was shattered on the floor. I can see it as though it happened yesterday. I am 36 years old.
Damn. As someone who also as Aspergers, it boils my blood to have a monster like this linked to me in such a way
Don't worry, most criminals aren't Aspies and most Aspies arent criminals. It's about as reliable as eye color or height in determining criminal behavior. Btw: if you *are* a criminal, Don't Write Down Your Crimes. 🥸
Same bro...
As a fellow aspie it boils my blood too, but mostly that it's even relevant to his story at all. Most of us have a rather strong sense of justice, not that criminals can't be autistic but it seems less likely imo, and I hate the trope that we give off creepy vibes if you understand what I'm getting at.
@@WatashiMachineFullCycleyh. That were just weirdos sucks as a stereotype, just let us be. Frustrates me anytime a true crime Vid mentions a criminal is autistic. What's that gotta do with anything, other than society makes things harder for them?
@@swymaj02 I understand the relevance when it comes to communication issues, that is fundamentally a big struggle with ASD, so if that needs to be explained that's all well and good, but the history of us being portrayed as creepy and having no sympathy/less expressive with emotions is long and problematic, and still lingers in people's minds when you bring attention to ASD in a case like this one. I can't exactly fault Simon's writers if they, like many people, don't know better, but I do hope this ugly stereotype continues to lessen as time goes on. It's not only harmful, it's just plain incorrect.
33:59 My first memory is from I was around 2 years and 4 months old. But trauma either makes you suppress memories or forces you to remember every single detail of it. Let me tell you, the first option is soo much better for your daily life
I'm very grateful for disassociation.
Life is hard.
It's past midnight over here and I'm using headphones, so thank you for 38:27 and shaving off a couple of years of my life...
That little ghostly snippet is creepy as fuck!
The first video that i couldn't help the tears falling out. That poor baby boy.