Try this game after BG3 - A Beginners Guide to Pillars of Eternity II Deadfire
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- My beginners introduction to Pillars of Eternity II Deadfire!
Do you want more info on Deadfire? Check out this brilliant guide: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/2274...
My analysis of the PoE Narrative Design: • The Underrated Writing...
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:43 - Why you should try this game
00:04:32 - Let's Play Start
00:05:15 - Turn-based vs RTwP
00:06:11 - Difficulty Settings
00:10:04 - Character Creation Start
00:11:48 - Race
00:14:08 - Class
00:21:41 - Attributes
00:25:35 - Culture + Background
00:26:16 - Weapon Proficiencies
00:27:00 - Cosmetics
00:28:13 - Armor
00:30:27 - Reputation + Dialogue
00:31:56 - Tips for managing RTwP
00:36:37 - Companion Intro (Eder)
00:38:11 - Attack Resolution Basics
00:42:14 - Stealth
00:42:57 - Level 2
00:45:26 - Engagement
00:46:16 - To Port Maje
00:46:58 - Xoti
00:49:36 - Level 3
00:49:59 - Mercenary System
00:50:28 - Completing Port Maje Quests
00:54:34 - Magic Weapons Intro
00:58:11 - To the Digsite
00:58:32 - Level 4
00:59:21 - Clearing the Digsite
01:02:44 - The Arena Sublevel
01:03:46 - Aloth
01:05:02 - Ship Management
01:07:47 - Outro - เกม
Do you want more info on Deadfire? Check out this brilliant guide written by Thelee: gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/227477-pillars-of-eternity-ii-deadfire/faqs/76599
The Venn Diagram overlap between "Aestus RPG subscriber" and "wants something to play after BG3" is probably so large that the diagram looks like one big circle instead of two 😅
this is one of the few fantasy games that actually has !CULTURE!
The Pillars of Eternity series are my favorite CRPGs. Good show
After hearing you gush about your favorite games in your QnA video I have definitely had an interest in trying this one out! it's also on sale right now so I'll 100% be grabbing it :]
Why not make some more guides for Pillars 2? Like best classes and skills for companions, best items etc? Would be usefull I'm sure. I need to replay Pillars 2 myself, as it has been a while and I don't remember all that much at this point.
I'd love it if you made content for the game. The current stuff on YT is very old or poorly researched
This game is GREAT - I played it several times and I'd say this and Wasteland 3 are probably the most modern 10/10 cRPGs other than BG3. Yeah, none of them have the same production value, but they have good enough production values, great writting, player agency, etc.
Great works of art transcend their production value. The PoE series is a modern classic.
@@Aestus_RPG Oh yeah, my point was from the perspective of a newcomer who just played BG3, so expecting the same production values could lead to frustration :)
Definately! I wasn't trying to disagree with you, just add to what you were saying.
Deadfire perfected RTwP. Loved everything about combat in this game.
No way! Deadfire is my favourite CRPG too :D glad you give the series some time in the spotlight.
Obsidian set a new standard in world building with Pillars of Eternity. It's incredibly deep and well crafted. Hell, it's so good, it makes reading the books you find compelling. I can't overstate how much I love exploring this game's world and learning its history.
Yes! Ended up bouncing off BG3 at release and sinking a ton of time into Deadfire instead. Finally got back into BG3 this last month and found your build and tier videos a world apart from the other stuff that gets put out. So pleased to see you give Deadfire its due praise.
If you didn’t already know, Josh Sawyer has a bunch of talks going into the design of the game and systems that are really enlightening.
That was very comprehensive. Thanks. Now maybe i'll get around to finishing Pillars 1.
Got this yesterday after watching and loving this game so far! You're bg3 vids probably got an extra run or two of that game out of me, so surely more vids here? At the very least to dilute fextralife's content on this game haha
Thanks for making this. I was looking for something to play after Elden Ring and ended up picking this game. First ever CRPG
POE 2 and 1 are my most played games on steam in that order. Fantastic games that i will cherish for the rest of my life.
Great video, I'm going to start playing soon would you be doing some build videos by chance that would be very helpful.
Always been a fan of Pillars! I backed the first one on kickstarter back in the day
Perfect timing video for me!
Played this one for quite a few hours last year leading up to BG3. Enjoyed myself but never picked it back up. Will reinstall and rectify that with a fresh campaign. Thanks for the reminder of this underrated game
I played the first Pillars of Eternity and loved it.
Fantastic world building and the overall story/themes were fantastic.
But for some reason, i never got around to playing Deadfire . . . I need to remedy that!
I'd love to see some build guides for this one! (Or even a playthrough)
Decided to give this a shot after burning out on BG3. Pretty fun and steeply discounted right now on steam.
I always say this! Deadfire is also one of my all time favorites, and has one of the best class/multiclass systems ever. Incredible writing. Great art, stunning detail. So underrated.
Aestus, no joke just finished checking out Amon Amarth's 'somewhat' recent song "Saxons and Vikings" and I thought about your channel, several months after I asked if you would be doing Deadfire content and 19 hours after it drops here I see it after specifically searching for your channel. Almost ghostly in a way, lets get after it guys! Lavaru bion sik!!!!
sounds really interesting! do you feel strongly on playing the first pillars of eternity before this one, or no?
For plot its better to play PoE 1 first. There are some spoilers if you play them in reverse. For me personally, I don't care about spoilers, so it wouldn't matter to me. Pillars 2 has the stronger tactical system, so that is the game I want to talk about.
I downloaded the games again and will do a new run for POE 1 and 2. It was ages since I played.
However I have been thinking in the past few days since first watching this video, of why I like BG3 so much. While I agree with you about story and setting, for me I think it is the incredible systems in BG3, both in and out of combat. One example of this is the throwing mechanic. In many games you can use throwing weapons in combat, but in BG3 they built a whole system where you can throw lots of other things using the same mechanic, like potions. Potions also create a cloud when broken. You can then use this system in so many ways in combat, creating tactical depth. This is especially true when playing solo, where you really need to use all these tactics to make it. Anyway I look forward to some POE1 and 2 runs. I just need to remember how it worked :)
And I just started a few days ago. Perfect timing. Monks ftw! And oh playing this game in auto perfecting my script system and seeing it as it works out is so satisfying.
I'm considering giving it a go. Should I start with 1 or should I skip it?
I played countless runs of Dragon Age Origins and BG3 but no other game like them.
Starting with PoE1 is better, especially if you care about spoilers. But Deadfire is a better game imo. It's up to you.
This is an underrated classic here’s to hoping avowed is everything we want it to be
The world building in Pillars is top notch
PoE’s classes are so cool - Ciphers have my favorite flavor of any caster class I’ve come across
Obsidian truly innovated with Cipher and Chanter. I think Chanter is a masterclass. The rhythm of the mechanics matching the rhythm of poetry? *Chefs kiss*. The Indian Jones fantasy of mastering ancient history and magic? Sign me up! I try to homebrew chanter into every tabletop RPG system I play, its just that cool.
And it's on sale!!!
My favorite CRPG as well! You did a pretty cool starter guide, I enjoyed watching it. Of course, I am excited for Avowed, but there are some eyebrow raising stuff like they are not showing much stuff and mostly talking here and there I don't really like that, but obviously I can't wait to go back Eora lol and more importantly Pillars 3 man... it's still not in active development far as we know... maybe they can do another backer kickstarter thing? I am happy to support it once more.
Can you do guide on wizard, especially wizard spells. What are good, what are bad etc. I tried few times playing as wizard but it do almost no dmg and trying to aim with spells was horrible in real time with pouse.
Sure! I have plans to make guides and tier lists.
@@Aestus_RPG Nice, I will definitely watch them. Especially all of them around wizard class.
Loved that game, the first one too, almost more in some cases.
Choosing between PoE1 and PoE2 is a real Sophie's Choice situation.
How did I miss this?!
This was the video I was looking for. I myself cannot get into bg3 because of what you said. Skyrim modded can fill that niche but we are all looking for our lord of the rings and pillars has always felt more grounded to me.
Edit: I played both 1 and 2 but never got past the starting zones. Should I play POE 1 for POE 2s full effect?
If you care about spoilers it is best to start with PoE 1
@@Aestus_RPGWhat is your honest opinion. Should I or should I not?
@@tylersaxby It's better to start with 1
How much is playing Pillars One recommended? Would it be fine to just jump in to pillars 2?
It depends on how much you care about spoilers.
I'd skip to 2 just because it has a turn based mode
Honestly as someone who played the 2nd first and later went to give 1 a try, it is not necessary. It’s def recommended for the full experience, but not at all necessary.
The scripting system combined with RTWP makes it so I can breeze through a lot of the easier encounters with minimal micromanagement, which I've always loved about POE.
I tried Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous around the same time but this was more noob friendly & combat was more enjoyable
Would you say to skip PoE1 and just go to Deadfire?
@@btackett2 It depends on how much you care about spoilers. I don't care, personally, so I say go for it, but it's up to you.
Is avowed going to be rtwp? I really hate rtwp like a disease😂
Oh nvm it will be first person. That’s pretty cool.
Love this game but I suck at the ship combat
Just Loved both Pillars of Eternity. However Avowed is not appelling to me at all...not the same style.
I'm hyped for it! I'm excited to see more from the IP, and the trailers have been juicy!
Agree - weightless combat has it looking like a Skyrim mod.
Hope it isn't just a waste of the IP.
I don't know why I never get caught in these games, but I think it is because I think the weakest aspect is the companions. I lost interest about halfway or so. i did only play the first one though, and I do like exploration/world building. Maybe I will put this one in the backlog. :D
RTWP is definitely a + for them, I personally find that meta knwoledge thing you mentioned with difficulty to really interfere there. Turnbased is so heavily affected by meta knowledge, that it becomes a gimmick when I play games with it.
never liked a video so fast.
I tried this in turn-based mode and was very disappointed. It literally was an after-thought and it shows. Maybe I'll give it a try in rtwp, even though I never could get into that style of play.
Rtwp is actually really well done in this game. I was the same, but once it clicked with me, I started to prefer it over turn based. It’s also a lot more difficult than turn based, so I can see that being a bit of a turn off.
Don't have time to watch the full vid, just wanted to ask do I need to play 1 to understand 2?
@@kurtcobane1762 No, but it helps
@@Aestus_RPG cool thanks
For some reason, I was never able to get into this game.
I finished the first game a bit bored of it, and I tried to start the second 2 times, but I didn't get into the game.
There is something about the combat that does not click with me, part of it I think that comes from not being too intuitive
Somehow the combination of the 1st and 2nd game would be the perfect crpg for me.
I do not really like the unlimited use of spells per rest, the overpowered foods per rest, five men party in Deadfire. Also I missing mega dungeons like Endless Path of Od Nua.
At same time exploration, unique weapon enhancements are great. Also the expansions really add everything, lot of lore and arena combats, not to mention challenging mega bosses.
I finished both games on POTD all upscaled and honestly these games are real BG1-2 / IWD 1-2 successors for me at least.
Regarding difficulty, the main thing to mention is that the difficulty scales poorly ie. the game is much easier as you level. POTD makes Gorecci Street and the digsite in particular very hard, as is the boarding combat with Beggar Winfrith. Once you have arrived in Neketaka, however, I would consider it to be the best difficulty setting.
Yes, thank you. This is correct.
100% Goreccu Street was immensely difficult and it almost had me dialing difficulty back, but as you said, once you hit Neketaka it feels more realized.
You ever try the Pathfinder games? Wrath of the Righteous is probably my favorite crpg of all time.
Yes, I have around 300 hours of play in Wrath of the Righteous. I think its a good game, but a step below games like Pillars of Eternity. I made a few videos about my problems with them, but to sum them up briefly, I think the combat system in Wrath of the Righteous is very poorly balanced, and it ultimately erodes the tactical depth of the game.
incredible game, loved it.. its such a huge shame that you have to restart your game every 20 minutes because of the fps degradation bs.. even on my 4080super
I liked Deadfire to a degree (and without a doubt a lot more than the first POE, which was straightup disappointing for me), but i can't really agree with the sentiment of it having the best combat in the genre.
Regardless of taking as reference its original RTWP version or its turn-based variation added later, they have a list of shortcomings too extensive to claim that tile.
I DO think they used to have the prettiest production value in the genre before BG3 came a thing, though. Some of the scenarios were stunning. Oh, and their multiclass system is among the best I've ever seen on a computer game of this genre. Definitely better than Pathfinder and D&D with their "piecemeal" mess.
I'm also not exceedingly in love with the setting, if I have to be completely honest. They tried so hard to "move away from some fantasy stereotypes" only to replace them with not-particularly-better ones.
P.S. I'll gladly watch more Deadfire/POE content if you decide to make it, anyway. I'm not complaining and I'm not saying I'm not interested.
Do you want to discuss it? What shortcomings do you have in mind?
I think BG3 is objectively a better game -- but Deadfire is still my favorite. :)
That's not what objectively means
@@Ebenezer563 I actually think there are objective measures on which games can be better than other games, just as there are objective measures on which movies can be better than other movies, etc -- and it is possible to enjoy the objectively worse things more than you enjoy the objectively better ones. Games (and movies) are not "better" simply by virtue of the amount of enjoyment they bestow upon their audiences.
@@danieljohnson270 Really! That is interesting! I've never been able to convince myself that art is wholly subjective, but I've never thought about it enough to explain where the objectivity is. Feel free to send me an essay explaining your view, I will read it.
@@Ebenezer563 He knows what objectivity means.
@@danieljohnson270 yes there are objective measures, e.g. performance. A game running at 60fps performs objectively better than one running at 20fps. From that, you can say the performance is objectively better. You can't say the game is objectively better because there are loads of other factors, many of which will not be objective.
How can BG3 be objectively better when the gameplay - the most important factor for many people - is fundamentally different? You can't argue that either gameplay system is objectively better since it will come down to individual preferences. You could argue that one system is objectively more tactical, but whether or not that's a good thing is an opinion. Some people prefer less tactical gameplay.
The fact that you hold the opinion that game B is better proves that game A is not objectively better.
As a huge BG3 fan with almost 600 hours in it, Deadfire didn't grab me the first time that I tried it. Yes, it's a me problem and no it wasn't a production value thing. The game looked good and has all the elements I like. For some reason it just didn't grab me. I guess I will have to give Deadfire another shot...
It didn't grab me the first time either. I actually called my brother and ranted on how terrible of a game it was. Later I tried again and realized it was pure gold.
The thing about CRPGs is you have to put a lot of effort into them. There is a lot to learn. So if you aren't in the right headspace, learning them will be frustrating. However, once you've learned them they are extremely rewarding.
Playing though the first game again now, I can't wait to get back to deadfire
So a beginner guide with veteran difficulty? does not really make sense to me and kind of change the whole playthrough? I would imagine that the way you play change based on the difficulty and thus making it less relevant for the beginner? I might be wrong and I guess you have title saying after BG3 so it can make sense
I said in the video you can play on normal. Everything I said is relevant to normal difficulty.
As good as Pillars of Eternity 2 is, its in spite of a weak premise for the main story. I honestly would have preferred they made a game of same quality and scale of as a sequel of Tyranny, not Pillars of Eternity. In terms of its setting and most especially its narrative, I think this would have been an even better game.
I don't think the premise of the main plot is weak. The premise is awesome! Its just there are some issues with its execution.
I prefer the PoE setting over Tyranny's setting. Tyranny's narrative design in general is s-tier though. We need more games like it.
Pillars 2 (and 1) are vastly more BG than BG3.
deadfire fails in very strange places for an obsidian game. Like main quest and artwork. Also writing quality seems to have dropped compared to the first game.
@xaress Hard disagree. Neither were failures. The main plot was maybe a tad weaker than usual, but still good.
@@Aestus_RPG If I'm not mistaken they had to add new scenes with later editions to explain the main plot to players. Also the ending was incredibly anticlimactic.
Sea combat is another problem. Later they added the option to directly board the enemy ship which is a good option to skip the sea combat.
Look, I like the game. There are great upgrades compared to the first game but it had some strange problems. It seems we won't even get a third one. Pity, classes and some of the worldbuilding were pretty great. With their own system they could just continue however they like; unlike Owlcat and Pathfinder editions.
I played the game, and while I like and enjoy it, there is WAY too much reading, the size of the texts just adds salt to injury. My eyes literally got sore from reading in this game. And this coming from a big 38 yrs old RPG fan, my eyes just can't handle that anymore.
Larian fine tunes this just right. Huge amount of content, but not overload the players with wall of texts.
I think you must be thinking of Pillars 1. Deadfire is very manageable with its text. That said, I prefer lots of text.
@@Aestus_RPG I played both, and yes the first one was pretty much a reading simulator/rpg game. Don't get me wrong I like them. It's also my OCD to blame cuz I have to read everything, and my eyes just can't handle it anymore, too old for this shit lol
@@CookCaramier That will probably be me someday!
On the other hand RPGs with fully voiced dialogue are insufferable with all of their voice acting. Reading is always faster than hearing and that is a golden rule. This gets specially true when the VA isn't good. Hearing the same six voices in New Vegas is funny at first, but by the end it is a burden to hear.
Now PoE is an example of WAAAY too much text and info dump. They went too far with the describe-every-single-thing-with-words apprach that you see in books, used to great success in Planescape Torment. But that game was the exception. Videogames shouldn't be books, and it isn't surprising that it didn't work out in PoE. Unless you are a huge fan of the setting, it will be a pain for your eyes and mind. It was to me and I'm relatively young lmao
@arthurvandelay. Wait... you have normal eyes, and they are hurting from reading? How do you read books? Sorry if I misunderstood you.
somehow didn't like the style of this. however tyranny was great
If you said this to me over drinks I'd invite you outside to settle it.
JK! Not everything is for everybody, and Tyranny is also incredible.
God is not dead even now.99% of the world believes in a creator .
The phrase "Death of God" isn't literal like that. Its a just a metaphor from the writing of Nietzsche. In his view Enlightenment philosophy "killed" God by overthrowing the old consensus of philosophy with a new one in which, he thought, God could no longer be rationally accepted. This created a BIG problem as far as he was concerned, and he wanted to solve that problem.
However, that was just a point in history. The belief in God - called theism by philosophers - is still very much alive, and remains popular and well respected among academic philosophers of religion today.
@@Aestus_RPG Thanks!
multi-classing is cheating in every single RPG games so i wont ever watch over the 15 minutes mark
What a weird thing to care about.
POE (the first one) was simply awful. i couldn't even bring myself to finish it once. It was absolutely boring and the attribute system was ridiculous and impenetrable. If POE 2 was completely revamped from '1', fair enough, but I was so disappointed by one, I never had any interest in a follow-up. I was really looking forward to one as well (before its release).
Uhh... no.
To be honest aka NGL, I dislike BG3 just for this reason. What I really love is theory crafting the characters (most), kitting out, leveling and questing. BG3 is also super woke to point of disrupting my enjoyment when everyone is super gay but I can overlook that if the above is superbly sweet. Problem is 5E is shallow in this regard. I got bored early on and Act2 beginning is usually where I call it quits. Larian will become even more woke in their next game no doubt. Animal sex, alien sex, everyone is super duper liberace style gay etc. I am not looking forward to it at all. Now why in the world are developers not funding Jsawyer is beyond me. Give that man millions and you will have the most highly sought out gem of a game. Less than 2 years for FNV masterpiece. Just imagine if FNV had 5 yrs to simmer.....and not be on a junk garbage BGS engine....a man can dream!
yo man, in my gpu gaming menu I override the filtering with all the highest settings for this game and it removes all the shimmer and artifacts with the lighting and really felt like it 'fixed" any lack in the graphics in spots. I usually don't mess with these settings but I do for CRPG games from how there is a ton of textures on the screen. the super sampling , and all the AA stuff maxed out in control panel and a reboot will blow minds people.