Yep a higher d loop definitely lets me hold higher longer. I can feel more force going through the heel of the palm that feels like it scoops up under the riser shelf. Another thing that gives a similar effect is having the bottom cam hit a whisker later than the top cam. Basically the top cam hits but then that last bit before the bottom cam hits kind of forces the bottom of the bow out underneath itself, for a similar effect. This can change your nock travel though and you might need to fine tune the rest to get bullet holes back again after doing this.
Yep I've heard of that. But something about doing that makes me feel like I'm not setting the bow uo right. So right now I think I'm going to stay with the d-loop. What's your method of choice if you don't mind me asking?
I'm definitely not a bow tech..but it makes sense to me..I've never thought of the D loop as a point of tuning..I bought the VXR back in 2020 and up until this season,I've struggled getting used to this bow..I've completely changed how I hold the bow and that was hard to do..I've been shooting the old way for 30 years .good luck this year
Dude I feel that. What where you shooting before hand? That's super annoying it took that long to get used to it. I respect you working through it though and figuring it out. I have heard so many guys just giving up and swaping it and taking a loss on the bow.
@@walderman55 I was shooting the Mathews DXT.. Absolutely loved everything about that bow..I guess it was the marketing that sucked me in on the VXR lol..I gave the DXT to a young man who wanted to get into bow hunting last year..I wanted to give him the opportunity that my hunting mentor/best friend of 40+ years gave me 30 some years ago..that man passed away Feb of 2024..I don't give up very easily and wasn't about to lose a bunch of money on the bow..good luck with your channel..I truly enjoy your content
@@howardkuhn2793 dude I have a DXT as well. I love hearing that about you passing on the love and opportunity of hunting with a young man like someone did for you. I'm sorry to hear about the passing. That's never easy. But also super dope that he lives through you by you Loving on others they way he loved on you. That's what this life thing is all about when it's all boiled down. Keep up the shooting and thanks for the encouragement. I wish I had more time for the channel but I'm glad it's been positive for someone. 💪🏾
huh? A white polo and flexing your muscles. You must be a golfer. You are correct with the D-loop placement and lengths. The same as with working on the nock point on recurve bows. It does make a difference, you are astute and passionate in this sport of archery. Well done sir.
Dude thank you. I like to think I think about this stuff.... Lol but definitely not a golfer. Just a strength coach that just got off work lol 😂 But this Archer stuff is fun to figure out. What do you shoot?
@@walderman55 LCA has some good tutorials on tuning as well. I've been an avid recurve hunter since '77. Dipped my toe into compounds last year. I chose a draw cycle that was close to mimicking my 50-60lb recurves. (I have T-Rex arms, ie shorter draw lengths) So the RX7 and the RX7 Ultra is what was chosen with the HBX cams. A long stout and smooth draw cycle for me. Keep up the good work while enjoying Archery. It is addictive for sure.
Due to be honest I have no idea. I locked up and got these half off. And those are the only target bars I’ve ever had. So I have no frame of reference. They look beautiful haha but beyond that idk.
@@walderman55 tiller tuning is where you add turns in or our of your bottom or top limb bolt to play with the deflection of each limb. You can start by adding 1/4 turns to whichever limb and see if it makes your bow hold any better.
I think there are about 5 "micro" tuning elements worth exploring (not sure what you have or have not tried yet) - {easy} Loop location (your leverage point) - {advanced} Draw length* - {advanced} Loop length* - {easy/medium} Torque tune - {semi advanced} Group tune (not recommended for those who like perfect tears through paper though😂) *Together these form the OVERALL draw length where your front and back portions are "optimized", its something "very few" people discuss or mention. If you are confident in your ability to shoot and recognize changes, you can make 0.5mm alterations and pick the difference immediately. Took me quite a few years to get around to playing with loop location. When I was starting out I do not recall anyone ever mentioning it, you basically set it in the lower to mid berger and that was it. My default position for the last 5 or so years is the upper half of the berger and its been a game changer. If you want to see something interesting, find some stuff on how Jesse Broadwater set up his Hoyt Podium X Elite back in 2016 or so, it will blow your mind.
Dude yes, I love it all for sure. I have been looking more into torque tuning. The weird thing about that is consistency. I feel like at times when I do it I am not consistent enough to know if it's me or if I am actually getting my tune that much better. I think I have seen the Jesse Broadwater video when he was in George Ryals shop. I need to rewatch it though and soak up more information. Thanks for the detailed comment. I love how you organized the tuning tips. I have been trying to take it one step at a time and learning the bow one step at a time. and with hunting season, I have put no hold with the tuning stuff. And to your point, Having the arrow through the top of the burger hole is definitely a huge game changer for sure! Thanks for watching and all the info man.
Excellent ! Great genuine idea . I am going to try that finger position and grip feel also .
Man let me know if you like it. It took a second for me to get used to it. But after I did it felt more relaxing to my hand position in my shot.
You hit the nail on the head!
Thank you man! Learning more and more one day at a time
Great stuff and great thinking 😊awesome video man !!!
Dude thanks I really appreciate thst. Means a lot to hear.
Valid point
Thank you.
Yep a higher d loop definitely lets me hold higher longer. I can feel more force going through the heel of the palm that feels like it scoops up under the riser shelf. Another thing that gives a similar effect is having the bottom cam hit a whisker later than the top cam. Basically the top cam hits but then that last bit before the bottom cam hits kind of forces the bottom of the bow out underneath itself, for a similar effect. This can change your nock travel though and you might need to fine tune the rest to get bullet holes back again after doing this.
Yep I've heard of that. But something about doing that makes me feel like I'm not setting the bow uo right. So right now I think I'm going to stay with the d-loop.
What's your method of choice if you don't mind me asking?
Good stuff bro
Thank you!
I'm definitely not a bow tech..but it makes sense to me..I've never thought of the D loop as a point of tuning..I bought the VXR back in 2020 and up until this season,I've struggled getting used to this bow..I've completely changed how I hold the bow and that was hard to do..I've been shooting the old way for 30 years .good luck this year
Dude I feel that. What where you shooting before hand? That's super annoying it took that long to get used to it. I respect you working through it though and figuring it out. I have heard so many guys just giving up and swaping it and taking a loss on the bow.
@@walderman55 I was shooting the Mathews DXT.. Absolutely loved everything about that bow..I guess it was the marketing that sucked me in on the VXR lol..I gave the DXT to a young man who wanted to get into bow hunting last year..I wanted to give him the opportunity that my hunting mentor/best friend of 40+ years gave me 30 some years ago..that man passed away Feb of 2024..I don't give up very easily and wasn't about to lose a bunch of money on the bow..good luck with your channel..I truly enjoy your content
@@howardkuhn2793 dude I have a DXT as well. I love hearing that about you passing on the love and opportunity of hunting with a young man like someone did for you.
I'm sorry to hear about the passing. That's never easy. But also super dope that he lives through you by you Loving on others they way he loved on you.
That's what this life thing is all about when it's all boiled down.
Keep up the shooting and thanks for the encouragement. I wish I had more time for the channel but I'm glad it's been positive for someone. 💪🏾
huh? A white polo and flexing your muscles. You must be a golfer.
You are correct with the D-loop placement and lengths. The same as with working on the nock point on recurve bows. It does make a difference, you are astute and passionate in this sport of archery. Well done sir.
Dude thank you. I like to think I think about this stuff.... Lol but definitely not a golfer. Just a strength coach that just got off work lol 😂
But this Archer stuff is fun to figure out. What do you shoot?
@@walderman55 LCA has some good tutorials on tuning as well.
I've been an avid recurve hunter since '77. Dipped my toe into compounds last year. I chose a draw cycle that was close to mimicking my 50-60lb recurves. (I have T-Rex arms, ie shorter draw lengths) So the RX7 and the RX7 Ultra is what was chosen with the HBX cams. A long stout and smooth draw cycle for me.
Keep up the good work while enjoying Archery. It is addictive for sure.
Dude nice that's so awesome! Hoyts are so very very nice bows for stew.
So did you hunt with your recurve?
And thanks for the advice.
Do you like the bars and do u think they are worth it
Due to be honest I have no idea. I locked up and got these half off. And those are the only target bars I’ve ever had. So I have no frame of reference. They look beautiful haha but beyond that idk.
U tiller tune?
I don't. Tell me more. I'm not sure I know what you mean. Are you talking about adjusting cam timing to make the top or bottom a little out of sync?
@@walderman55 tiller tuning is where you add turns in or our of your bottom or top limb bolt to play with the deflection of each limb. You can start by adding 1/4 turns to whichever limb and see if it makes your bow hold any better.
@@BrodyWonch got it, Nope I do not. Thanks for the information though. I may try that one day for sure though.
In a way this is tiller tuning, in the sense you are manipulating the leverage point.
Paige Pearce has a good video on it
I think there are about 5 "micro" tuning elements worth exploring (not sure what you have or have not tried yet)
- {easy} Loop location (your leverage point)
- {advanced} Draw length*
- {advanced} Loop length*
- {easy/medium} Torque tune
- {semi advanced} Group tune (not recommended for those who like perfect tears through paper though😂)
*Together these form the OVERALL draw length where your front and back portions are "optimized", its something "very few" people discuss or mention. If you are confident in your ability to shoot and recognize changes, you can make 0.5mm alterations and pick the difference immediately.
Took me quite a few years to get around to playing with loop location.
When I was starting out I do not recall anyone ever mentioning it, you basically set it in the lower to mid berger and that was it.
My default position for the last 5 or so years is the upper half of the berger and its been a game changer.
If you want to see something interesting, find some stuff on how Jesse Broadwater set up his Hoyt Podium X Elite back in 2016 or so, it will blow your mind.
Dude yes, I love it all for sure. I have been looking more into torque tuning. The weird thing about that is consistency. I feel like at times when I do it I am not consistent enough to know if it's me or if I am actually getting my tune that much better.
I think I have seen the Jesse Broadwater video when he was in George Ryals shop. I need to rewatch it though and soak up more information. Thanks for the detailed comment. I love how you organized the tuning tips. I have been trying to take it one step at a time and learning the bow one step at a time. and with hunting season, I have put no hold with the tuning stuff.
And to your point, Having the arrow through the top of the burger hole is definitely a huge game changer for sure!
Thanks for watching and all the info man.
Dude. We may be cousins.
Dude nice what makes you say that?
@@walderman55 same last name.
@@tomalderman7598 welp. Maybe 🤷🏾♂️