Mulan Theory: The Great Stone Dragon
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2016
- Today J discusses Disney's Mulan and has a theory about why the Great Stone Dragon never comes to life..
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Okay but he missed the chance to start the theory bit of the video with "Let's get down to business."
That would have been beautiful
omg!
Quentin Darby
That would've been perfect.
I'm very surprised he missed that opportunity! they're usually so good at doing that!
Quentin Darby yesssssss D:
I wonder if the Disney creators watch these videos and say, "damn, he's onto us."
ha ha best comment
Me too
that or "well shit that's not what we intended but it's a fuck ton better"
+Olivia Paz true 😂😂
+hollie edwards I like to think they call in emergency sessions where they just panic. :D
I always thought the great stone dragon was a representation of Mulans father, so ancient it can no longer go go battle, so a younger, unproven warrior (Mushu/Mulan) needs to take its place. Nobody expects this unproven person to make it, but they have some tricks up their sleeves, and discover a lot about themselves in the process.
Wow......
Jacob .Russell I love this!!!
That’s a great theory!
Last time Mushu helped someone before Mulan, they lost their head
I want to know how Mulan's family responded to their dragon being a pile of rubble and the incense burner disappearing. Like, first your daughter goes to war and now your shit is destroyed? Tough break.
Seriously! Or maybe they just assumed mulan had a melt down?
Mercelia M you know what, given the overall culture of the age... I'll buy that!
Language!
Charlotte's Awesome Chanell
What the fuck just shut up!
That's rough buddy
Mulan and the forces of nature?
Well, she is as swift as a coursing river, with all the force of a great typhoon, all the strength of a raging fire, and is mysterious as the dark side of moon.
+Lightning Nerd Tranquil as a forest, but on fire, within!
Once you find your center, you are sure to win!
+Lightning Nerd all right you two let's get down to business here...
+Link Gamer12 yea we need to defeat the huns
dude I literally just sang off your comment XDD
I like to think he was just wise enough to know Mushu was the better dragon for the job, and stayed asleep to let mushu do his thing.
Nicholas Musser thats actualy makes sense
So he let Mushu destroy him?
Bonkersllama he was fine by the end of the movie. In the end when shang comes back for Mulan you can see the statue in the background.
Nicholas Musser, great point
Nicholas Musser was the "best" dragon not better
In addition to the avalanche thing showing she has command of nature, she also became "as swift as the coursing river, with all the force of a great typhoon"
Natasha Honcharik great now I have the song stuck in my head ha
Be a man!
Now I'm thinking about the Nico DeAngelo memes from Percy Jackson
Exactly what I was thinking
With all the strength of a raging fire
Mysterious as the dark side of the mooooooooon
I actually believe that mushu was the reincarnation of the great stone dragon which was why he NEVER managed to wake the thing up.
makes since to me
Terezi Pyrope so do I
Terezi Pyrope
Hey Terezi, you enjoying the dragon talk?
Sarah Knopf how bout u natsu?
I was thinking the same thing.
I always thought it was Mushu's true form.
That's what I always thought, too.
Yay! I'm not the only one!
me too
I like that theory better. This one stretches it like no tomorrow.
Mushu deserves to have "his reflection" show him who he is inside, too.
Ancestor: "We must send the most powerful [of the 4 guardians] of all."
Mushu: "Okay, I get the joke, I'll go."
*Ancestors laugh*
Mushu: "You don't think I can do it! Watch this, man!" *Blows fizzles of fire* "A-hey! Jump back, I'm pretty hot, huh?"
I thought so too!!! Mushu seemed like a perfect fit!
I always thought Mushu actually murdered the stone dragon when he accidently destroy the statute
+Alexander Long Well if a powerful dragon could be killed simply by breaking a statue, he wouldn't be very powerful would he? The statue is just a vessel, as we do see other depictions of most likely the same dragon.
As a Chinese, ancient Chinese do believe spirits live in those Idols/statues. so when the idol broke, the spirit would no longer there.
+Donika691 tell that to Goliath and his clan of gargoyles, im pretty sure they were pretty powerful too. and everything has their weaknesses
Darkendragon You have a point, but I still don't think the great stone dragon is dead, he's a spiritual being.
+Alexander Long Though they refer to it as 'waking up' I think of the statues more as portals. The spirits come in take over the statues which gives them a form in this world. The stone dragon was slow to get to his portal
because he doesn't come unless absolutely needed. Once his statue is destroyed, he can't enter this world. That doesn't mean he's dead, he just can't come. They'd need to make him a new form so he can enter this world.
I think the Great Stone Dragon didn't waken because he/she/it was wise and knew that if he/she/it intervened it would have disrupted the outcome that he/she/it knew would come about.
John French interesting
John French you're also forgetting toaster that's also a sexual orientation
Just books XD
To complete the theory, The Great Stone Dragon's spirit went to Mulan. Making it completely slept even when being woke up by the gong. Because(english teacher says do not start your sentence with the word because) he/she/it knows how to restore her honor to the family, and also with the help of Mushu.
You can just say 'They'. It was a legitimate neutral term long before the non-binary crowd came in and absorbed it as a way to identify their gender/lack of gender/genders. Lmao, it's always been grammatically correct to use it as both a singular and plural word.
And all this time I thought he died.
Average Guy ikr? All this time I believed Mushu was being so impatient and the great stone dragon is a heavy sleeper so Mushu killed him and took his job (he broke the statue......) xD
I always thought the Great Stone Dragon just wanted her to go. The ancestors wanted to wake him up to STOP her, but if he agreed with her going there would be no need for him to wake up.
Yes! I thought the exact same thing. Something I find way more likely than the reaches made in this video.
WAKE ME UP!!! WAKE ME UP INSIDE!!!!-Great stoned Dragon
CALL MY NAME AND SAVE ME FROM THE DARK!!!
THE DARKMATTER HATTER this needs to be a video xD
THE DARKMATTER HATTER
I'm sick with heat exhaustion and you made me laugh, thank you.
Good morning! I’m the great stone dragon!
Well, 望子成龙 is for the boys, as it means wishing ones SON will become a dragon. For girls, we say 望女成凤 (wàng nǚ chéng fèng), translation: wishing ones DAUGHTER will become a phoenix.
Ikr! He needs to read the whole thing before jumping to conclusions.
He said it applied to her too cause she was posing as her fathers son
KarlXiao18 plus if you're so upset with it why are you watching?
KarlXiao18 That's pretty cool! Thanks for the info.
lily this person wasn't upset they just added on
the reason the statue is restored is the spirit returning? it only broke because the dragon wasn't home.
Bio Toxin I agree
maybe it was out gathering money so it could hand it out for chinese new year idk
I always thought Mushu WAS the great stone dragon.
thats what i thought
me too thats why I thought he didn't wakeup
Me too and I'm gonna stick to that theory because this other one seems kinda forced
but mushu gets told to wake up the stone dragon. so mushu cant be the stone dragon
ShadowEcto Well that statue was made before Mulan was even born, so she can't be the great stone dragon either.
This is honestly my favorite movie of all time.
Me too *high five *
Same
I love it so much my family gets annoyed every time i put it on
hehe Mulan is awsomw
I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!!
Actually dragons are classified as guardians protectors to scare away evil spirits, say the Chinese dragon/lion was worshiped and created because of the story/legend of a farmer that keeps getting his crops getting stolen by a evil spirit but one day he lied out red cloth and one day the evil spirit thought it was fire and ran away and so the farmer kept doing that but one day the evil spirit found out it wasn't fire and continued stealing crops so then the farmer created or summoned the Chinese dragon/lion that was made in different colors for different emotions and so now every year on Chinese New Year the Chinese dragon walks zigzag (the evil spirit only walks straight) and throws lettuce or cabbage at the crowd for good luck and fortune and sometimes tie up a crab lobster to say it captured the evil spirit and then he gets rewarded by ang pow which is the traditional red packet that we give with money inside.
I hope this helped
The emperor said “No matter how much the wind blows, the mountain cannot bow to it” Then the emperor proceeds to bow to Mulan.
as for the controlling weather and the enviornment, she is swift as a coarsing river, with all of the strength of a great typhoon, she has the traits of a raging fire, and is mysterious as the dark side of the moon, your welcome!
+Claw_Quake what did i do
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+Leonidas1210vc ?
be a man!!
At first i thought he was going to say that the great stone dragon was the equivalent of a weeping angel, and that it didn't wake up because it could see its own reflection in the pool. In saying this, I realize that I may have a problem.
^ #winning
mulan is the best disney princess by far
But Mulan isn't a Princess she is a Warrior.
Dra omg thank you.... warrior not princess... gosh i hate when people arent accurate..
Zara's World there is a third requirement for being a Disney princess. Instead, you can preform a significant act of heroism
Jazmine Whitehurst she’s a warrior but no she’s actually ALSO an official Disney princess
Shes a disney princess. Maybe not an actual princess but is a disney princess
I was thinking since they talked about reflection that the Great Stone Dragon was Mushu's reflection, but idk. But there theory makes sense
Yeah you are right
their*
My sister says you look like Captain America with glasses.
I never noticed that until now bit it's so true...
+lucky Smith god i can't unsee that now haha
Even MORE reason to love this guy!!!
He looks more like dc douglas but younger to me!
lol cute
you left out the whole part about how in the musical number "I'll make a man out of you" it also mentions many types of weather and natural disasters as a metaphor for strength as well and if dragons control weather then...
yessss!
YES! :)
That's what I was thinking
Victoria Starratt UMMM... That's what he said
i always thought that the dragon could see tge future and knew that Mushu was destined to lead Mulan to be a great soldier and ultimately save China and bring great honor to her family which she and everyone else prayed hardcore for in the beginning, so he was answering their prayers.
This is basically what I assumed myself. The Great Stone Dragon was supposed to be summoned to *_bring Mulan home and stop her from dishonoring the family._* If it had done that, she would not have saved China from the invading Huns, and the glory and honor she brings her family would never have happened - the bigger dragon would have been able to bring her home where Mushu was helpless (he was too tiny and couldn't shift sizes, remember).
It seems to me that the guardian spirit (if this video isn't correct about its theory) likely never awoke because it was _the wrong choice for the family._ Dragons symbols of ageless wisdom, strength, intellect... And its well within the confines of the Asian mythology that they exist outside of time and are thus able to access knowledge from past, present and future alike. I don't see why it couldn't be possible for either this theory, or the one in the video, to be true.
Hell, maybe the Great Dragon's spirit entered Mulan precisely because of that, by choice, so that Mushu could redeem himself (and play his rightful and better suited role), keep the ancestors from summon it to stop Mulan from her destiny, and help Mulan when needed. Thus it wasn't there to be awoken/was already awoken in Mulan when Mushu went to wake it.
I think this may be a bit off. Both mulan and her grandmother prayed to the ancestors. It’s possible Mulan prayed and got the protection of the great stone dragon. So even if the ancestors had requested the dragon to bring her home, it wouldn’t have matter bc he was already gone.
never thought about the stone dragon thing. if anything I thought it was a reflection of Mushu
Everytime Jon comes up with a theory I'm like: Whaaaaaa? And then he says: I have a lot of evidence to back this up and the world is at peace.
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+Ohana Means Disney It's J or Jonathan but yunno whatever you wanna call him
My name is jonathan too, but thats not that weird.
he doesn't come up with a lot of these, but the videos are great nonetheless
Something I've thought of that helps this theory, it's that Mushu was sent to awaken the stone dragon. He technically did. If Mulan became a warrior in her own it wouldn't have been likely to happen. We saw what happened when she arrived to the camp and how Mushu assisted her throughout the movie. He basically awakened the stone dragon within her. (sorry if I didn't make sense)
also sorry for being vague, hope you guys get the idea a bit
wow that's cool
That's what I thought
Wouldn't the ancestors have known that Mulan was the great stone dragon?
They thought Mushu was the great stone dragon when he used the stone head as a makeshift mask! Maybe they are not as wise as people think they are!
This my favorite movie of all time and you just gave me a reason to watch it again. Thank you!
she also became the best solider, and in the song "I'll make a man out of you" it says. "strength of a raging river, with all the force of a great typhoon, with all the____of a raging fire mysterious as the dark side of the moon." maybe that could be referring to power over nature?
Swift as the coursing river, with all the force of the great typhoon, with all the strength of a raging fire, mysterious as the dark side of the Moon.
Those Pink Floyd albums... so mysterious.
YES
And is Mulan's birth year Year of the Dragon? o.O?
+Ian Hollis I was thinking the same thing! Too bad there's no way to know.
johnmburt1960 sounds like a plan!
I don't think so. In one of the shots of the Emperial City we see a dancing dragon costume going around indicating that it should be chinese new year, unless they use that dragon costume for other things. This tells me that the new year is the year of the dragon and if Mulan is supposed to be 16 or 18 during this movie then that puts her birth year outside of the 12 year cycle of the year of the dragon. Of course anyone can feel free to correct me on that. My knowledge of Chinese celebrations is very limited.
They use those dancing dragons EVERY year.
actually, I think the dragon in the movie looks like a really elongated "lion dance" costume; it is obviously very long with the face of a dragon, yet is flat-faced (like the lion costume) and the costume encompasses the performers (obviously used to dramatic effect to hide the Huns, but still).
Personally I think that is an interesting theory, you have even went so far as to point out key points in the movie and make them connect I am not sure if this is true or not but it is an interesting concept and the next time I watch Mulan I will keep this in mind. Thank you- and what is your theory for the second Mulan?
They wanted [more] money on a hot release. _ Also, in real life, Mulan was executed.
you do know that Mulan is just a story/poem.. it not base on anyone really it just a musical record that happen to be popular some time later and she didn't die in the end
Actually, Mulan commited suicide. She was not killed.
I think that Mulan was based off of Jeanne D'Arc, who was executed.
Mulan is actually a Chinese story/legend that ended very darkly and might have been based on another story/legend about a family where the women went to war to protect the last male in their family.
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I always thought that the Great Stone Dragon knew it wasn't his destiny to help Mulan. I mean, he's a dragon getting ordered around by dead people. Yes, I know ancestors are a big part of their religion, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Dragons were of a higher level than ancestors. Why would he want to get ordered around by a bunch of old, closed-mided, dead people who more than likely know nothing. I mean, this is a farmer's family.
What the Great Stone Dragon DID do, however, was wake the grandmother. Right after the eyes flash, the grandmother wakes up and immediately goes to check on Mulan, finding her missing. She does this even before waking up Mulan's parents, lighting up the house, or doing anything else. And she's pretty fast about it as well.
So, instead of Mulan being the Great Stone Dragon, the dragon just knows that his time has passed as the family guardian and he's passing on his mantle to Mushu.
+aphftwb-tches This works well with what the directors and producers have said in commentary as well. They said that those dragon faces in that montage is supposed to be the faces of the ancestors judging Mulan for that choice. So the GSD wakes the grandmother, because she's the closest to the ancestors age wise (they said it lol), and gets her to get shit done
This and what Jessica said makes WAY more sense than what he said in the video.
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I thought this was going towards mushu realizing that he is the great stone dragon.....i honestly dont know how much i like this one
Hold up! So I get the points you are putting together. But exactly HOW is Mulan the Great Stone Dragon? Did the Stone Dragon put his spirit in Mulan or something? Did he give her his spirit while she was sing the reflection song? I am a bit confused here.
SalsaSpartan7 Mulan is representing or reflecting the great stone dragon as in power strength luck and yea
If we're going with Chinese tradition the spirit of the Great Stone Dragon was merged with the spirit of Mulan sometine between conception and birth.
SalsaSpartan7 the stone dragon is a horcrux
so mushu killed mulan a little bit?
SalsaSpartan7 It's symbolic bro (O)_(o)
I thought it was possible that Mushu is, or maybe was, the Great Stone Dragon. Either it was literally his form before he screwed up, got that guy beheaded, lost his memory and was demoted to gong-ringer, or it is him in a more metaphorical sense, in that when the spirit leader sends Mushu to "wake up the Great Stone Dragon", he is actually sending him to "wake up" his own sense of determination and loyalty, and help Mulan. I think the spirit leader could just be playing dumb when he talks to the statue's head, and he knows full well that in fact Mushu is going to leave and to live up to his potential.
to explain it better, since he was an ancestor. the dragon reincarnated as her like many ancestors do. since they don't call on the ancestors often and likely since before she was born, the other ancestors would have no idea
+Julia Price The Great Stone Dragon was a Guardian. Not an ancestor.
+Kio Kurashi they are ancestors too
KC Inasense Really? I guess I better watch the movie again. I seem to have missed that connection.
Particularly considering that none of the guardians are human...
the guardians arent ancestors XD they are spirits that watch over the family since the beginning akin to Gods.
in asian religion ancestors become divine.
I love how expressive you are in all your videos. keep up the good work!
the dragon might have been restored when the eyes turned green earlier in the movie
This seems like a pretty "Rock" solid theory.
how dare you make me read this with my own two eyes!
+Sora Star don't take puns for "granite"
ayy lmao
That pun was so bad it left me "STONEfaced"
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Sorry, this is just a biiiiiiiiit far-fetched. There's just a lot of dragon symbolisim because it's supposed to be a really Chinese thing.
+Samantha Vidas well actually dragons aren`t such a big thing in china and in the movie dragon things are usually when mulan is on screen when she`s not they`re very few times you actually see it in the background
+Michelle Ginorio Did you just say dragons are not a big thing in China? Have you studied the Chinese dynasties? A large percentage of pottery/luxury goods have dragons drawn, carved or imprinted on them because different dragons were seen as different gods. Though I am Taiwanese, I have seen a lot of ancient Chinese artifacts in our National Palace Museum and have personally studied Chinese history.
+Christine Wan I was going to say that then point out that the great stone dragon is just that one statue. the one with the glowing eyes is the patriarch's tomb stone .
maybe the patriarch was the first great stone dragon in the family.
Just ponting out that in the second movie during her first song shes a little more "intune" with nature than other human being. I mean she pretty much causes the wind to change direction in some scenes. Even as a kid i was like thats some witch craft right there. Though now im thinking its hust dragon magic.
I always just assumed that the Stone Dragon could see the future or something, and didnt wake up on purpose. Or that it wanted Mulan and Mushu to prove themselves BY themselves. Idk, it makes more since than this theory.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. I've never thought of that before. That makes sense.
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I always just figured it was because Mushu didn't hit the gong to wake the stone dragon.
Well, he does hit it, but only when still behind him. Afterward he doesn't hit the gong correctly. I always figured Mushu was pretty incompetent.
jackass! that movie is great
*BANG BANG BANG BANG* ALRIGHT BOI GET UP TIME TA WAKE UP NOW *bang bang BANG BANG BANG BANG* -- Mushu
I always thought Mushu was the Great Stone Dragon
+LOtaku I agree. On the themee of reflections the spirits told him to awaken the great stone dragon because they knew that he had to find the Great Stone dragon within himself.
+Levi McKell I hadn't thought of the ancestors sending mushu, and I like your theory, but how would they know mushu would destroy the dragon? He would just go back to the ancestors to tell them that the stone dragon wasn't waking up. hmmmmmm
+jenna koch
Because they knew the stone dragon was just that, a stone dragon and it wouldn't wake up. And them knowing Mushu he would mess up anyway so thus them giving him something to do and beginning his journey of finding himself.
After spirited debate the captions say *lame laugh and highfives self*. It totally killed me😆
I honestly thought it was mushi when he unlocks his true powers cuase in the second movie he tries his best to keep his peditsal and almost fails again I'm guessing he failed once before and most of his powers was taken from him
This is all fine and dandy, but there's nothing really pointing directly to Mulan having the spirit of the some dragon. Yes, they're is a lot of dragon imagery associated with Mulan, pushing the audience towards seeing the similarities between fractions and Mulan. But, it is then a logical jump to say that, instead of only being compared to a dragon, she is a dragon.
I think it's not that she is a dragon so much as the spirit of the GSD resides in her
+Sidney Ropp Mulan is a German Shepherd Dog?
Kidding.. I think you're right and that's the only thing I had to add to the conversation. :D
+Alicezx T 😂😂😂
Sidney Ropp But that's still a logical leap
I just thought the Great Stone Dragon was subtly guiding her, granting her strength when she most needed it. And I would agree it is a logical jump, as he literally said that just because she had a dragon medal put around her neck, she's the Great Stone Dragon.
LoL, when I saw the movie, I thought there was a very clear reason why the Great Stone Dragon didn't wake up - Mushu didn't hit the gong correctly. Watch the movie again. When Mushu is in the family temple waking everyone up, he hits the gong with the stick the right way. When he goes to wake the stone dragon, he never actually gongs the gong correctly.
THANK YOU!!!!!!! I thought the exact same thing!!!!!! I noticed that too and I was like, "Uhm, Mushu, you gotta hit that gong more than one tiny little tap."
Yep, I noticed that. The first time I saw the movie, I thought he was intentionally doing it wrong because he seemed so irritated that he didn't have a place of honor that he really didn't want the Great Stone Dragon to wake up, get things done, and make Mushu look even more useless.
I think the reason story boarders gloss over things like why the stone dragon didn't wake up is so people like you have something to do
The "European dragon" is a symbol of pride and patriotism reflected in our epic flag - Wales, look us up!
When you said look us up it reminded me of the part of shiny when Tamatoa say “ Look it up!” To the audience
We sure European dragons don't represent America?
@@shadowstrider8295 no they came way before us
@@theenderdestruction2362 I'm joking, because European dragons are seen as creatures of mass destruction. Just like America.
@Jordan Robshaw I was referring to the very existence of Americans, but yeah that works too
I always thought that it didn't wake up because that was the dragon's plan. Like, he didn't wake up because everything that happened was what was supposed to happen. idk
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+Greysen Walsh 40 now
I think you meant Hung, bro.
+Alex Ravens the Huns where the 'evil army' in Mulan so actually you are wrong, bro.
But if she is indeed the great stone dragon, Why the ancestors don't notice that?
because they sleep until called for, and seem to only know the information given to them by the family member that called them.
In a local play, I played Mulan, and stumbled upon this video. It completely changed my idea of acting the part. Thanks J!
I think it's less that she IS the stone dragon and more that the stone dragon gave her it's blessing and simply refused to wake up to "bring her back" because it supports her decision.
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I never thought about this theory but I have always wondered and you just put so much into perspective ... ty just subscribed and I have to say I love it.
What if Mushu is the great stone dragon?
That sounds like a Janden Smith tweet, but it's an interesting theory...
+Walter Kelekolio that is what i always thought
Is it weird that I think this theory is the most likely? mushu is literally the ONLY other dragon, and he has to prove himself from a past mistake. what if the great stone dragon made a fatal mistake on a mission and the ancestors punished him by turning him into mushy and erasing his memory? what if the ancestors knew and they sent him to awaken the stone dragon so that he'd choose that specific course of actions and whole point was to get mushu to redeem himself and become a guardian again?
mushu not mushy
+Adriel Carrasco definitly possible! But we can't be sure since the movie doesn't clarify what are the powers the ancestors posses. But it would make them way cooler in my book. Picture this: after Mushu pushes the head ancestor at the end of the movie, and he replies that 'oh all right! You can be a guardian again' with a frustrated sigh, and Mushu leaves, the ancestor smiles privately, knowing this was his plan all along.
"lets get down to buisness to defeat the huns. did you give me daughters when i wanted sons" 🎶🎶🎶🎤🎤
Was this supposed to sound like a thinly veiled innuendo? Because it does.
+Christopher Titus its the lyrics from a mulan song at least what i hear it as
+Will Wkeinanen lol I am aware.... but, yknow the... oh never mind.
+Will Wkeinanen ....."when I asked for sons" is actually how the song goes. Just saying. :o
+Cardia1316 same thing
But if she was the Great Stone Dragon that would mean Mushu was not needed to help her. Yet obviously we see Mulan wouldn't have achieved what she did without the help of Mushu meaning the GSD *saw* that Mushu needed to be the dragon to help her, (and also help himself redeem his past mistakes,) so he chose not to wake up.
0:52 I got this very picture as a wallpaper for like 1 year or so
There are a couple points that I don't count as "evidence" but I do agree with the theory. Mulan isn't a literal dragon, obviously, but I think she inherited the spirit of a dragon (not as a sentient being but as willpower). That's why the stone dragon didn't wake up, there was nothing spiritual left in it. Growing up, I missed every single one of these details as evidence because I thought they were all symbolism. Dragons being everywhere were just there because they're cool and it's China and dragons are a thing. What other animal motif would have been used? A rooster?
Crane, Iris, Lotus, qilian, fire bird, any number of other mythological critters :)
+Gail Torres, I might want to point out I am a wolf/kisume hybrid so yah
in Ancient China, the tribes would put motives of dangerous things in their lands near their borders
What?
+Kanaya Maryam motifs, auto correct mess up
Mulan is also the only Disney 'princess' with an impressive body count.
Concept - What is the great stone dragon was living in her father, which helped him survive and gain respect and honor in the war he fought in decades before, but was transferred to Mulan once she decided to go to war in her fathers place. If you look at the scene at 03:24 there is a transition from the old stone dragon engraving in the families shrine to a younger looking dragon in the Fa families bedroom where Mulan appears from shortly afterwards. Just an idea to mull over!
My thought was that because the great stone dragon was exposed to the elements like snow and rain had caused it to not be able to wake due to the fact it was not in the temple like the other statues where they would be partly protected from the elements.
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Probably. I think more about the universe and human existence rather than movies though. Unless it's books. Or anime.
+Jordon Collier Who are you talking to? And why are you insulting them?
+Jordon Collier who are u talking to I can't tell
+Jordon Collier
i dont understand who u are directing your comment at. is it me?
No, just realised it didn't add the Ane Anacl On the comment. I do apologise for any misunderstanding.Ilina G
Wouldn't it make sense for Mushu to be the Great Stone Dragon?
I also always figured he was and that that was why the other one didn't wake up; the great stone dragon was already awake as Mushu
Pretty sure that´s not the case. The family spirits act and speak as though they personally know the Great Stone Dragon as well as Mushu, obviously. Meaning they can hardly be the same entity - there is a clear distinction between them. Also, pretty sure Mushu would know if he were that other guy he actively tries to communicate with. I always understood it the way that the Great Stone Dragon was just taking his sweet time waking up, or just wasn´t present for some reason or something, and Mushu destroyed his statue because he was impatient (and kinda stupid). Which either killed the Great Stone Dragon, or prevented him from manifesting in our world, not sure about which one.
They do imply that Mushu had a true form but was stricken with his current form for misdeeds. It is possible that when they struck him they removed his memories of HIs other form and he is lying when he talks about knowing his other form which would mirror mulans lie about being a man and Crickets lie about being lucky XD. However later in the 2nd movie i dont believe he has another form so perhaps when he destroyed his statue he now permanently remains in his lessened form?
WorldWearyAngel Overthinking lvl 9000.
Wait, are you calling someone out for over thinking something on a video that is basically doing the exact same thing?
this is one of my fav theories you guys have done!!
I just seen the new trailer for Mulan, and it looks amazing! I have always loved the first adaption of Mulan and i'm hoping the live action is just as amazing.
My theory is when the great stone dragons eyes were shining when Mulan left to take her father´s place her grandmother woke up in that same moment, so I think she is a psychic who can feel spirits and that stone dragon is a spirit who can only watch over mulan and not be there for her, so instead of that dagon spirit, Mushu is going to be on her side instead. And that moment when Mulan come back to her father, and in that moment we; who watch the movie, got to see it from that dragon spirit´s eyes.
When you say "Chinese dragon" you mean Eastern dragons vs western dragon. Korea and Japan also have very similar dragons.
+Zavendea So all Asian dragons look the same; you my friend are a racist.
+Mason Farrow I hope your not being serious 😂
They do but at the same time, we are talking specifically of the Chinese dragons in a Chinese story set in China.
No they don't, only China has dragons, Korea and Japan uses the idea but it originated from China, so Chinese dragons are the only type of eastern dragons.
+Zavendea Japanese: our dragons are noodles with 2 legs,
Chinese: no they have 4....
#civilwar
Well, Chinese dragons (to my knowledge) are a symbol of the emperor, his power, and authority. That's why chinese dragons are so prevalent in old Chinese depictions.
This is an incredibly interesting theory! I never looked at it this way.
Wow, that's a pretty cool theory! I've actually never thought about this, but it makes sense! Concering the "controlling nature"-thing, Mulan causes the avalange using fire, same as she does later on , so she pretty much controlled fire AND ice - cool!
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Nice profile pic!!
+JASON VERA
Are you a Mythical Beast?
thank you! She was an independent boss, am I right
+Mighty Milsaps
Oh yeah! Watch out, Elsa and Snow White! Mulans going to kick your butt! (And make you bow down to her!😆)
Hello fellow mythical beast!!
Day 234. Still waiting for a reply from either brother. water and food resources scarce.
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At first I thought you were going to say it was Mushu, but then you started explaining and it made so much sense.
1:16 I'm Chinese, I could be wrong, that probably is the Chinese dragon, but there are also "lions" at the parade that somewhat look like that.
Yes, that looks like those they use in lion dances
I agree with your theory but may I add something ? the great stone dragon is back in mulan 2 but this time it`s more thinner and maybe even what you call... more feminine? but nobody mentions the great stone dragon this time since it`s not really the most important thing for the plot. My theory is the dragon statue becomes whoever becomes him..but this could be that they just wanted a more feminience statue but then why change it all if it`s not important to the story? maybe if they make a new mulan movie we`ll find out that the statue is mulan or that it changed back to normal because mulan no longer is the dragon and someone new will become the dragon!!! but who knows it`s just a theory. if you like this theory please leave a like on this comment! and Jon if you read this just consider it and also give me credit for adding to your theory!
+Michelle Ginorio Well think about this as well, Mulan's father has also been to war which is why he walks with a cane and cannot fight in the current one. My guess is that the great stone dragon, when needed most, will embody himself in the Fa warrior that needs his guidance. The statue was more gruff, wide, manly in the first movie because the one who needed him last was Mulan's father. Then Mulan goes to war, returns, and is going to be wed in the second movie. Mulan was the last one to go to war in their family, so the dragon stone took on a more feminine form after being embodied in Mulan.
ee thanks for adding that to my theory :3
Just curious, what part in the movie did the thinner dragon appear in?
The second movie? I have to rewatch it though to be sure if the dragon is actually thinner.
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Yes, do you know what part of the movie it appeared in? I've been looking and can't seem to find it.
I honestly just think the Stone Dragon Died...
Not so great
I had goosebumps, then it spreat until I had goosebumps all over my body, on my head and in my face. Mulan herself and the story are epic enough but now this?! Wow, I love it.
I always thought it was because Mooshoo was supposed to see himself as the great stone dragon, but now I completely agree with you guys! Love your channel & informative videos 👍🏼💕🤗
wow, you make a lot of good points in this video, I love the symbolism! and you're right, in a sense Mushu did wake up the dragon, he helped Mulan awaken her inner dragon.
So...Mulan is a Dovahkiin? I like it.
kinda but it's said : so Mulan is dovakiin
Well if you go by the dlc... there is more than one dovahkiin... so "a dovahkiin" can work too.
actually the plural for dovahkiin is dovahkiin
I love your theories they clear up so many movies and are so accurate
I have to say this was such an amazing theory, I fell in love with Mulan all over again. Thank you!! I just wanna know how much you need to search all that stuff?
I had a theory that Mushu was the stone Dragon with his memory gone somehow. Basically The stone dragon was famous among the spirits and humans but at some point something happened making him lose his memory and end up as Mushu. But nobody knows this. And over time tales about the stone dragon get changed until he is said to be the statue that we see in the film. Which is why the stone dragon didn't wake up. He was already. But that's my theory.
weirdly i was watching mulan as i got this notification 😱
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+Nslk74 stf
+Serenity Tsukino i know right i prefer mulan instead
I was watching it this week end :)
COINCIDENCE ! I THINK NOT !!!
Ooohhh that revelation of the pond scene in reverse gave me chills!
I had goosebumbs in the last part about The Great Stone Dragon's POV.
Mind = blown
I just watched mulan...and now I'm shook that i didnt realized that years ago :O
6:20 Actually Chinese medals often have dragons on them, as a symbol of power. For example one of the last medals introduced by the Qing Dynasty was the "order of the twin dragons".
5:51 theres also the lyrics to I'll Make A Man Out of You, which has references to nature and power everywhere...no coincidence thats also the song where Mulan leanrs her strengths and also essentially becomes a second-in-command for the troops. Commanding the troops and nature.