Two Massive Problems With Wuthering Waves

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  • @Ferniture4
    @Ferniture4 วันที่ผ่านมา +121

    looking at clips of calcharo getting tossed around for demonstration makes me wish he has jinshi hyperarmor

    • @itssenpai626
      @itssenpai626 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

      His death messenger has in built anti interruption

    • @saintontas
      @saintontas  23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +35

      @@itssenpai626 bro is already getting started with the hyperarmor investigation. Nice vid mate.

  • @midwestairway
    @midwestairway วันที่ผ่านมา +154

    Put on a shield that makes you not need to dodge and parry or pay attention, just mash buttons. Shields in wuthering waves are used to give a small window of damage absorption that should be strategically used, the combat is fast paced and exciting, Shields that last for a long duration and are instantly cast would kill the combat.

    • @imjustlikedenji5954
      @imjustlikedenji5954 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I mean you have to put in considerable amount of effort of Jianxin's shield imo and Taoqi doesn't contribute all that much damage, although 38% skill damage is nutty(although it is offset by how slowly she gains concerto)

    • @Napat-YTsBS
      @Napat-YTsBS 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +16

      In other words, Zhongli’s shield would kill the WuWa’s combat 😂.

    • @Joao-lw5pj
      @Joao-lw5pj 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      You can always not use it, right? 🤔

    • @toxicdermyillunary4103
      @toxicdermyillunary4103 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​​@@Joao-lw5pjWhen it is meta game dev will up the goal post so meta users doesn't complained about "GaME tOo EaSY nOw" which make it so everyone must use the meta. I never use Benet or Zhongli or Ganyu or Many other Meta in Genshin take a guess at how much stars can I get.

    • @BladeSerph
      @BladeSerph 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      This is why Zhongli dong and his e peen shield caused Genshin had to straight up make an ANTI shield type of unit.
      Which is a terrible design philosophy in a game to make mechanics that suppress mechanics they over inflated in a game because they made the latter mechanics too fking powerful and let them stay about too long.
      Wuthering waves by keeping shields more by short periods or for a few hits instead of being a free extra massive hp pool with no consequences made people less freelo and you have to actively commit to the game instead.
      Throw is why honkai star rails and genshin impact shields ruined normal healers where they had to make them do a fk Ton of stuff that they must be trying to compete with the amplifier units in punishing gray raven who mostly act as aggressive supporters and longer lasting units so they could focus more unit releases on attackers and tanks instead for PGR

  • @saintontas
    @saintontas  วันที่ผ่านมา +353

    It turns out the WuWa Community is perfectly fine with critiques. As long as they're good.
    Well done, @itssenpai626.

    • @hosamx1465
      @hosamx1465 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      You are FAKE kurobot i dont like you anymore 😂

    • @Feelbad-uy7ox
      @Feelbad-uy7ox วันที่ผ่านมา

      Stf* you are ruining the community . I wouldn't be surprised if some big CC who covers wuwa will stop because of you

    • @Otherface
      @Otherface วันที่ผ่านมา

      My main issue with Wuwa discussion was always how one sided conversations are with it. You either praise it to oblivion and make it seem like the absolute best game ever, or you trash it and make it seem like the downfall of gamong. Never an in-between. And even worse if Genshin is in the conversation.
      Kuro games thankfully listen to critics, so any video that makes the game look gook yet imperfect is always welcome.

    • @xcx_Kouga
      @xcx_Kouga วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Yesss thanks Saintontas for giving some space to good Wuwa CC’s

    • @arthurgeier2545
      @arthurgeier2545 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Said Pope Tontas The Saint LOL.

  • @hakumenx1
    @hakumenx1 วันที่ผ่านมา +139

    Kuro has never liked shields, they are never a source of offensive defense unless its on the character that created it. Even in PGR theres a cost associated with having a shield, either they consume it, lose hp to create it or so on.
    Almost never has it given stagger resistance and so on. So far they do their job of letting you live, not letting you get a free pass.
    The community wants a free pass but in turn will do irreparable harm to the combat if that character focuses on producing it.
    I never want shields to be good, they could have auxiliary effects but shields have a strong problem with making combat braindead.

    • @HazardTone
      @HazardTone วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Ice captain chrome with his overpowered shield 😂

    • @hakumenx1
      @hakumenx1 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​​@@HazardTone hes also weak AF, you used him for his freeze aura which also meant you shouldnt take damage while his shield was up and he still didnt do well. Especially now that ice Qu is out. Youll almost never swap to him.

    • @Beingbased100
      @Beingbased100 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      I hope they never release a shield character like zhongli

    • @david_ace
      @david_ace วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Beingbased100 taoqi exists lol

    • @hakumenx1
      @hakumenx1 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      ​@@david_ace i think they mean a real shield character, zhongli changed the game entirely from workable functions to outright braindead gameplay. He lowered the combat iq of the entire playerbase and rewarded them for it.

  • @kouani1995
    @kouani1995 วันที่ผ่านมา +60

    shield are useless on a game that focus on parry and dodge. and theres tons of Masters of it. the average player can win a holo without getting hit once and those crazy Danjin users are there as well.

    • @david_ace
      @david_ace วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      no average palyer and even ur pro player some time can do a holo no hit on a daily basis what are u on ? 😂

    • @kuroyama_naomi
      @kuroyama_naomi วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@david_ace say it to Rexlent face

    • @david_ace
      @david_ace วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@kuroyama_naomi naming 1/1 million player isn't a smart way to counter my comment..even rexlent take hit when he play

    • @AdHocWholius
      @AdHocWholius วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      ​@@david_ace Bro I can solo tower on mobile with Danjin, it just requires timing and practice.
      I don't want to make WuWa a button mashing game, I want to actually get better and get punished by making mistakes, gives it a higher skill ceiling.

    • @ayaya-
      @ayaya- วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      what kuro should do is, shield should give a flat damage reduction, no interruption resistance because at that point just play genshin.

  • @RideCBR
    @RideCBR วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Critiques are good if its well thought of. Saying shit is not helping. Say its shit but follow up why its shit and how to mitigate or act on that shit is gooooooood and juicy.
    We have higher standard in gacha now. Let's apply it to CCs. Smaller CCs with higher quality vids > Drama baiters and clown gigglers

    • @wishnu23
      @wishnu23 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sadly drama is the most selling stuff to society nowadays 😅

  • @rayzen119
    @rayzen119 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    I actually used Taoqi to clear one floor of the hardest tower. She's not entirely useless, but yeah, Taoqi and Jianxin need to apply their shields faster/easier and both should heal with the shield.

    • @DrSwazz
      @DrSwazz 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      They do both heal with their shields though, lol.

    • @rellgenki
      @rellgenki 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      No, only Jianxin. Taoqi only heals herself. ​@@DrSwazz

    • @rayzen119
      @rayzen119 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@DrSwazz yeah, only Jianxin's shield heals, would be nice if Taoqi had a heal too.
      To make them different, Taoqi's shield could heal instantly but less than that of Jianxin's in the end.

    • @DrSwazz
      @DrSwazz 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@rellgenki Oh, so you're talking about team-wide heals.

    • @kumo549
      @kumo549 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I wanna Jianxins shield heal to kick in faster. But like lessen it to adjust

  • @improvedkien4293
    @improvedkien4293 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    if they add anti-interruption shields what’s the point of learning dodge and parry 😹

    • @Driftwood123-m8w
      @Driftwood123-m8w วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      Why would they add healing if we have dodge and parry 😹

    • @hakumenx1
      @hakumenx1 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      ​@@Driftwood123-m8w both do exactly what they are meant to do. Give you another chance, not let you ignore mechanics.

    • @Driftwood123-m8w
      @Driftwood123-m8w วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@hakumenx1 that’s the point I was trying make to the person that posted it

    • @ReviewBonfire
      @ReviewBonfire วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Driftwood123-m8wexactly. Bros argument is non present

    • @ms.nova.m2936
      @ms.nova.m2936 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      There's no way Bro. In Char B5 Limited there's Anti Interruption, but the Boss Monsters in Wuthering Waves are all Heavy Attack 🤣.Interrupt Resistance will be useless against monsters that do Heavy Attack.

  • @shutup5555
    @shutup5555 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    WuWa ruined shields

    • @fastedwarrior7353
      @fastedwarrior7353 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      We need to make WuWa make Shields GREAT Again!!!!!!

  • @mikoajbaszczyszyn4568
    @mikoajbaszczyszyn4568 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Camellya S1 doesn't always or reliably provide anti-interruption though. I got her S1 after about a week into her banner, and I noticed it's either bugged or has an incredibly tight anti-interruption window. There's been multiple instanced where I literally got knocked out of Ephemeral mid-animation. Camellya was about to drop and like half a second before the hit I got knocked out, missing the damage but triggering Budding.
    The Sequence Node is clear it's "Immune to interrruption while casting Ephemeral", and yet she's *not* immune, and from looking in the internet, a lot of people who have Camellya at S1+ have this problem.

  • @rehcra3210
    @rehcra3210 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    8:56 he did mention Taoqi needing intro skill? Atleast that's what I'm hearing
    Also, his point wasn't that it was complicated or especially difficult, it was that it feels pointless going through her and Jianxin's slow animations and buildup of their shields, only for the payoff to be still getting knocked around.

  • @CielHunterNorwood
    @CielHunterNorwood 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    There should probably be a differentiation between "Hyper Armor" and the "increased resistance to interruption" since they are different beasts on their own. Jiyan can still be tossed while in Qingloong Mode while Jinhsi will straight up "Nah, I'd win" through every attack with a hitbox that can reach her (at least with how high I end up going when doing her Forte stuff).

  • @mistress3847
    @mistress3847 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Aight the Saintotas we missed is back, keep it up man. Come back to us!

  • @haxx1707
    @haxx1707 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    A calm and fair critique saint's evolving guys! lol
    great vid as always

  • @NeoKiskeCp
    @NeoKiskeCp วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Getting here from Warframe, i can't stop thinking of shield-gating after the shield is depleted, even for like 0.5 seconds it would make a lot more enjoyable shielding. Shield gating is after depleting the shields, it gives you a tiny window of invulnerability, in warframe it's linked with energy, the more you have, the longer the inv time is hold, giving you time to re-cast it. Although, same as interruption prevention, it's more of an end game content, so i think it's not something the casual players would find very easily especially if they are starting the game, still would be amazing to give shielder characters or echoes that treatment to give more variation on playstyles. (i am new to the game, so this is just thinking in comparison to other game i play a lot)

    • @Shhh_94
      @Shhh_94 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Fellow warframe player 🙌

    • @Rhodynit
      @Rhodynit 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Main hildryn spotted, get away from my Blue Shards you freak

    • @hijodelsoldeoriente
      @hijodelsoldeoriente 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Revenant:

  • @Kingyoim
    @Kingyoim 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    18:16 that's true I have experienced it too jinshi really can tank some attacks if you attack faster while in her incarnation state

  • @codesymbi
    @codesymbi 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    I only see Jianxin shield as a visual indicator for healing just like Baizhi's flower
    And the thing i like the most about her is her skill
    She can parry even the heaviest Dreamless attack
    If you miss the dodge, her parry can save you with absolute 0 damage

  • @ebiteonyx
    @ebiteonyx 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +15

    Keep up the good work man, looking forward to the streams this week

  • @davewilliam7934
    @davewilliam7934 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    In my experience jianshin is a nish character not useless since she is a jack of all trades can give you shield , healing and damage

  • @poplo9094
    @poplo9094 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I like the idea of stacking anti-interrupt that both Saint and Senpai talked about around 11:45
    Seeing Calcharo with double shields getting staggered by the shockwaves points it out. Giving shields a level of resistance that blocks those, but not something like the monkey drop kicking your face, might make a better middle ground between the nothing we have now and full-on ignoring attacks.

  • @agatebeowulf643
    @agatebeowulf643 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I played PGR for years now, and I can foresee how giving characters too many I frames or super armor can be a problem. Players would just be too lazy to learn how to dodge/parry correctly.
    With Taoqi and Jianxin, what they really need is a means to outro faster so that they can give their buffs faster to the main DPS. This can be solved by Kuro releasing something similar to PGR's leap system, or introducing new echoes.

  • @grymns
    @grymns 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Personally, i think all shields should be a delayed heal, meaning it should heal you at the end of the shield duration, which will make the combat still fast pace and making dodge and parry still the go to gameplay

    • @fastedwarrior7353
      @fastedwarrior7353 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Dodging is fine but parrying is bothersome because the timing is different for EVERY character so why not make an invincible shielder so that tourists like me will NEVER have to worry about parrying attacks every again!!!!!

  • @normalostrich6250
    @normalostrich6250 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    The main issue with shields giving interruption resist is something we can see quite prevalent in other games such as genshin where shields become meta and no healer can do anything because the shield is just too strong. Shields are meant as a preemptive thing not a all purpose thing, the moment they give an offensive utility they are automatically better than heals as they can have more synergy with what dps characters like to do just by being shields.
    Interruption res on shield makes the game have no thought behind it. You think Camellya is braindead? Let's now give her the ability to tank any hit and also not be stopped. On top of all of this, it really does not mesh that well with parry and dodge mechanics being in this game as those become irrelevant as soon as you no longer care if you get hit. Even if it was something that took a character using an outro skill and only buffing one character with a shield and interruption resist and nothing else and it disappears on swap and lasts 5 seconds and takes 7 seconds to get outro, interruption resist while also having a shield is too strong.
    Do we all remember what happened when Zhongli entered the game in genshin? How many years did we not have good healers until we specifically got a buff to healers and shield shred? How about Aventurine in HSR giving effect res and making it so your team can't be stopped while also making them unkillable? It got so bad that ZZZ has no healers on launch and will probably never have any, especially since they become obsolete and discarded immediately upon getting a good shielder.
    Practically speaking shields don't need interruption resist to be strong, even fast or frequent shields can beat out healing as not taking any damage is better than healing that damage back. Will we probably see a quick shielder who can buff the team in the future? Probably. Will we see on with interruption res for others? Not for many years.

    • @CJ739
      @CJ739 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The problem is that with the timer in ToA, using the shielders is useless. Jianxin requires so much on field time to get her shield just to do mid damage. I don't think that they need to add interruption resistance, but I think they need to add an end game mode where survival is a bigger factor than DPS and then shielders will be fine. Using Taoqi is miserable because to do anything cool with her she needs a ton of field time, but she also does no damage so you can't really use her in ToA. Right now illusive realm and open world are the only places where it feels good to use shielders which I don't think is a good thing.
      An end game mode with a 10 minute hologram or something could be cool to consistently have an opportunity to use jianxin/taoqi or any future shielders. As it stands right now they feel miserable to use outside of basic gameplay or 1 time things in the hologram fights. My opinion at least.

  • @SandorThePuppy
    @SandorThePuppy 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Saintontas, nice parry, can't wait to see a video where you point out any issue at all with Wuthering Waves. Keep it up!

  • @neoinfinity5204
    @neoinfinity5204 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yea Taoqi is my favorite 4s and i noticed how this game doesn’t reward you for favoring shielders over healers by lacking proper echo set for them as well how much time you waste to optimize their shields like Taoqi relying on intros for quick shields and outro buff. Shielders aren’t bad compared to healers but so far we got three healer who also buff damage while someone like Taoqi only buff skill with outro even worse i heard that her S6 was originally tram buff before global which would have saved her a little but now she’s basically like Genshin Noelle by being DPS herself which clashes with her support role for optimal teams, they could release new echo for her but it will need to be very powerful to justify not using a healer.

  • @amrradwan1055
    @amrradwan1055 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thanks for the timestamps, thanks for protecting the wuwa community, thanks for entertaining us with amazing livestreams, thanks for being rightful and thanks for calling out all the b*llshit that gets thrown at us ❤️

  • @Crispymantis123
    @Crispymantis123 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Critiques are good if it’s actually good in improving the game (Good job Kuro)❤❤

  • @professionalwaffler8647
    @professionalwaffler8647 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Are you ever gonna go back to the in depth guides? The few you've done were really interesting to watch even tho I don't use any of the characters except for Danjin
    Whatever this drama farming you're doing now is it's getting a bit overbearing
    Like I get it may get views but is it really good content when all you do is bicker with other people instead of creating genuinely interesting and/or helpful content for the community you're trying so hard to defend?
    (not you specifically, everyone who's been focusing on drama shite)

  • @cypureisreallybusy
    @cypureisreallybusy 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is the type of vidoe i expect from you saint good work 🗣️🔥

  • @N00BSYBORG
    @N00BSYBORG 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Let shields apply additional buffs like extra attack, crit rate, stagger damage, or energy regen but only while the shield is present. So you get that safety net of the shield but lose a lot of value if you get hit immediately. Extra anti-interruption is cool but it makes the game brainless too.
    Attaching buffs to shields gives players a reason to dodge and parry while shielded. Giving that crutch to lower skills players if they need it and rewarding those who get better if they want to play a shield character.

  • @looden8299
    @looden8299 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    to be fair most of the player not using taoqi and jianxin for shield, but for the outro buff

  • @VeneDee
    @VeneDee 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    14:31 "Just buy Camellya's anti-interruption", this is stupid.

  • @yugokenji7980
    @yugokenji7980 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Got an idea for a solution.
    Problem: Shields have diminishing returns as you get better at dodging and parrying. I want shields to have a purpose but still be rewarding as I get better at the game.
    solution: make shields more of a resource. a skill/echo that consumes the shield for a reward (dmg or CC for example) or enables the reward while a shield is present.
    downside of solution: may create another "jinhsi" situation where a character is VERY reliant on the correct teammates to perform well.
    The Bellborne echo is a good existing example. Reduces punishment of getting hit but you lose the dmg boost if you get hit 3 times so you're still rewarded for avoiding damage.

  • @Sparkxdop
    @Sparkxdop 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Actually I have a good idea and that is rework for exploration what I mean by that is when you collect 100 chest or do some challenge you will get 100% exploration which means a lot of chest and challenges are basically missed by many players. The solution is when you tap on a area you can see how much chest and challenges are there instead of just numbers %

    • @Sparkxdop
      @Sparkxdop 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Hope the implemented in The Renasita (2.0)

  • @astrawovas
    @astrawovas 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    love the chill vibes here a lot more than your other... videos :)

  • @imjustlikedenji5954
    @imjustlikedenji5954 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm NGL, I was so excited when I first had my hands on Taoqi and realized she can counter
    But then it turned out she does not counter, and is actually parrying, and that parry can't actually parry(the circles I mean)
    I wish she had a proper counter ability that could help her build concerto
    Or, if she could actually tank hits by using normal attack in tandem with enemy attacks, receive reduced damage and higher concerto gain
    So far Taoqi just isn't worth the effort to me, but I'll still build her eventually and find a way around it...

  • @charginginprogresss
    @charginginprogresss 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I have lost count how many times I had to watch a boss screeching randomly and have to wait several seconds for my character to unstagger itself, it's bad...

  • @uzshanka1676
    @uzshanka1676 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Sensei is my favourite WuWa channel for guides and discussions. Its insane that he is somehow not sponsored but Vars is

  • @coretitan
    @coretitan 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video Saint!

  • @captaincabinetz
    @captaincabinetz 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I also have two massive problems

  • @ababil2408
    @ababil2408 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    3:25 watching this video halfway will automatically reset the revive cooldown.

  • @BlaD-Arc
    @BlaD-Arc 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    Yeah, this was a nice critique. He addressed the issue and gave a reason why its bad and suggested a possible solution. Hopefully Kuro would play with this kind of character more. They might release a character like Caesar from ZZZ. She provides a shield with anti-interruption and her playstyle is also based on parrying/guarding which is fun imo.

    • @maevethefox5912
      @maevethefox5912 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      A shield that did damage reflect off of parries and dodge counters would be pretty cool

  • @TheGenManager
    @TheGenManager 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I watched the vid last time, turns out he made sense....
    Notheless, Are they useless: Might say Yes?
    But are they fun to play:
    Solid YES

  • @JamieFox-pokemonmaster
    @JamieFox-pokemonmaster วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    makes me want jack in the box now

  • @ginak5802
    @ginak5802 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    16:02 I never heard anyone say it, but you are so right. Verina coming in with her intro just smashes through stagger bars and can parry. So good if you time it right!

  • @ShadowFri3nd
    @ShadowFri3nd 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    i really hope Kuro fixes Taoqi, she is my favorite unit, also playing her on Ilusive Realm with 100hp gives me the copium i need (she is OP there).

  • @DrSwazz
    @DrSwazz 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Most bosses in ToA or holograms will wipe Jianxin’s shield in 1-2 hits though. Especially in hologram fights, Jianxin can even die or at least get knocked out of casting her heavy attack, which removes the shield, wastes your dps, and cancels the concerto you gain. Giving her interruption resistance or at least even auto parry makes it much likelier that she can at least play the game against certain bosses.
    In ToA, Jianxin takes 6 seconds to cast her heavy attack - that’s 5% of the total time you have to get 3 stars. That’s a LOT of time spent casting an ability that will give you about 2 extra hits at best.
    What’s worse, Jianxin actually gets a massive character ability in the illusive realm that speeds up her primordial chi spiral and boosts its damage by 500%. This literally fixes her biggest flaw. Why is it not in her basic resonance chain?

    • @ceritaminit6696
      @ceritaminit6696 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Well if you build Jianxin dps, that 6 sec is not waste of time but is for her main source of damage.

    • @DrSwazz
      @DrSwazz 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@ceritaminit6696 That's even more of a problem though. You're forced to make a support/healer your main dps to make her primary source of damage not a waste of time. And obviously she's not competing with Jiyan, XY, Jinhsi, etc. lol

    • @ceritaminit6696
      @ceritaminit6696 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@DrSwazz
      Wuwa is not a competition game to begin with, what we all do is press the button to get the rewards.
      You can search Jianxin dps in yt and there are plenty of players who play her as main dps.

    • @DrSwazz
      @DrSwazz 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@ceritaminit6696 I know, I also play her as main dps.

  • @Beingbased100
    @Beingbased100 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Saintontas no stream today 😢?

    • @saintontas
      @saintontas  วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      No streams on Sundays. I can't work all 7 days of the week!

    • @Beingbased100
      @Beingbased100 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@saintontastake rest goattontas🗿

  • @kihouou1295
    @kihouou1295 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly, an easy way to balance it is "If your over 40% shield of the given shield, you get the Anti thing. As soon as your below that %, it disappears. Does not stack with other Shields." Since Cooldowns and rotations are important in the game, you would still need to dodge heavy hitting Boss attacks but it would still make people learn to dodge stuff nor abuse them i think. Havent played in a bit so dont know if the % would work but it would at least let you get 1-2 free hits in on a boss before you have to dodge with characters like Cal and at least make it relevant. It also gives really good players an insurance policy as well if you greed something.

  • @Hoeland-r8g
    @Hoeland-r8g 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Another way to making shield more useful is by making it more offensive.
    -Maybe a shield that can explode dealing aoe damage after few seconds
    -or make the Shield able to deal Damage over time to area
    -or inflict a debuff to enemy and by attacking it you gain shield.
    Those options still make fast actions combat rewarding without neglecting parry/dodge

  • @Meteor-ThunderBears
    @Meteor-ThunderBears 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Fun fact: I still uses Taoqi till this day in certain team that still hasn't built. For testing new hero that still lvl 20 or something, the shield is actually better for your character which can be one shotted easily from high level mobs. While it doesn't provide interruption res, it adds additional hp to the character. And shield that have hp bar like this are actually opens up a different combat approach. Like: an echo like falancy that eats up your shield instead of your stamina.

  • @joshuasmith72
    @joshuasmith72 24 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    18:26 -- I'd love to see a video on Super/Hyper Armor in kits or just more information on the interaction in general. I've always just assumed my characters can tank the first attack that hits them in ToA without interruption and it's been surprisingly consistent doing it that way (even 4-stars Chixia/Sanhua), but I'd prefer knowing full scope what's happening instead of just letting fate decide whether my attack finishes or not lol

  • @johnk8936
    @johnk8936 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    For a while now I've thought that saint and itssanpai would go along well and be drama free to a degree when making content together. Saint seems to like to gatekeep bad faith actors in the communitiy, while itssanpai is strictly about the game experience for casual players wanting to be better at the game.

  • @DabGodSauceKing
    @DabGodSauceKing 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Never leave the kitchen Saint.. KEEP COOKING

  • @IottiPH
    @IottiPH 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Shields with anti interruption would actually be good. Shields can't take infinite damage, so it would be a good way to make it more comfortable to make the front dps stay attacking without having to dodge for the full rotation in that team comp.
    It's a nice way to make different comps available in this game.

  • @Wizard101_Hero
    @Wizard101_Hero วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm not gonna lie,I love Wuwa but I feel like shields are pretty useless rn.i feel like one lazy way to fix that would be if they added bosses that just don't allow a healer to be in a team,or maybe in Co-op where it's like a dungeon of enemy and boss waves to make it to the end without dying.Idk but I'm sure there's a way to make it work so that those shield characters get used more often.

  • @maevethefox5912
    @maevethefox5912 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'll still be forever thankful to Taoqi for carrying me solo up to like UL 40 by being completely unkillable.
    Took a year to kill anything, but I learned the mechanics of the game by just ... not dying.
    That and her ridiculous voicelines kept me playing the game long enough to be hooked on it once I got a proper DPS.

  • @GAMEPRO24X
    @GAMEPRO24X 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    14:07 so in PGR theirs a character that does a very similar move and its one of his core abilites and easy abilities to dish out good damage. the issue was, if you dodged you cancel the whole thing. Kuro much later changed it so that you can dodge, do a cool spin attack and continue shooting until the gauge was empty. I like chixia but she feels like Old Lee

  • @MRafas-ie9zh
    @MRafas-ie9zh 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    11:12
    That sound click almost gave me a heart attack

  • @RRRRRA-m1e
    @RRRRRA-m1e วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I believe Kuro is doing this on purpose, the problem with having op shield character is that they would remove all the interaction of the fight, you can just shield yourself and would be able to ignore any attack coming from the enemy, basically removing the action part of a action game,this would be disastrous to any action game. I believe the most kuro would do is releasing characters like Jinhsi and XlY, that is easy to play, but wouldn't be so braindead that you are ignore any interaction with the enemy.

  • @morving7714
    @morving7714 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Maybe gain interruption for some atks , but atk that have the parry circle cannot gain this interruption so to prioritise parry but you can dodge others atks .
    Maybe even atks like special atks from boss interrupt you no matter if you gave shield or not 😅

  • @vjredline9242
    @vjredline9242 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I mean tower of adversity is timed. You would play characters like Jianxin to make things easier or smoother just for the completion, but you would need to pick from your roster to prepare a team that clears faster, not comfier. Now don't get me wrong, i Love Jianxin and still use her in tower, but on time crunch levels there are simply better options. One side note, Jianxin has her best ability locked behind s6 where she can generate her shield instantly, I wish some mechanics like this were already baked in.
    I dont think the game would be any better with a character that just presses E and gives a shield ie a zhongli, althought im sure it will be there eventually. If you really need interrupt resistance Yuanwu exists. If you need a shield, there are shield characters AND you have access to bellborne another shield via ur echos. There is no shield "meta' because theres no direct correlation between shields and damage. This might chance with the new echo set but until then I think shields and resistance are at a perfect spot atm.

  • @naterivers6107
    @naterivers6107 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The part where I started disagreeing was when he got to the ToA. That's not content for everyone, that's where you skills truely get tested and learn how good your team actually is. It's a git gud mode.

  • @megumin9967
    @megumin9967 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    14:42 Camellya gets interupted.
    Arlecchino/Neuvillete without Shielder and C1: Bonjour.

  • @RinrinFran
    @RinrinFran 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Meanwhile Smack is the best example out there on how Jianxin ain't f-ing useless.

  • @KarmaKun-t4w
    @KarmaKun-t4w 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    TL;DR: I cleared the TOA today, and my perspective has shifted a bit. Initially, I agreed with Smack's take on changing the TOA. However, after experiencing the loss and the challenge it posed, I now feel it’s more about skill-and for those with the resources who still struggle, it might be a matter of optimization.
    As an F2P player since launch, I’ve realized Saint had a point: tweaking your characters and calculating their usage can be enjoyable. I cleared the TOA using Havoc Rover, Danjin, Sanhua, Shorekeeper, Verina, Yao Yinlin, and Changli. I skipped Jinshi for Changli, and honestly, I find standard characters more fun. This shows that you don’t necessarily need limited characters to beat the hardest content in the game.
    That said, I still believe TOA is good as it is. For some players, reducing the HP sponge mechanic and making enemies more aggressive could improve the experience. Ultimately, it’s subjective and varies from player to player.
    So after experiencing it myself I want to say that yes I agree with you on this TOA is as fine as it is for now

    • @KarmaKun-t4w
      @KarmaKun-t4w 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I know it's been time since that but still I had the thought of saying it cuz I feel like opinions are half way things if you don't experience it yourself so hey you weren't cooked I agree (this comment feels so out of place but I wanted to let you know just a feeling)

  • @nogard0497
    @nogard0497 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If shield & anti-interruption providers gave enough buffs to eliminate the damage and value loss for not simply dodge counter, it might make for a good playstyle

  • @pluhut
    @pluhut วันที่ผ่านมา

    My two main women thus far :3
    Both are all about comfort, and enjoying timing/parries (a matter of taste). Both will never do meta damage, but they might still do okay damage.
    Taoqi is just immortal. Especially with sequences. You press E and you're back to full health. She is also decent as a duelist against single target enemies.
    Jianxin is durable and very very flexible, can be subdps, shielder and healer. She is also great in AoE damage in terms of size, but the lack of anti-interruption resist does hurt her since her AoE Forte is the heaviest-hitting part of her kit AND her source of shield+heal.

  • @trashqueen656
    @trashqueen656 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Taoqi actually has decently quick concerto rotation, provided she gets her intro off. Intro > enhanced 1 2 3 > liberation > e > echo and she's gone. There isn't really a skill damage hyper carry who wants her right now though since she doesn't have coordinated attacks. She's just waiting for the right dps like Aalto ngl. Shields are admittedly an afterthought in wuwa until they actually implement a damage mitigation check via shields/heals in some content.

  • @KyptonKye
    @KyptonKye 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Current characters don't really offer an anti-interruption buff, perhaps because this could serve as a selling point for future characters who will provide this buff…?

  • @pierreshi6102
    @pierreshi6102 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I think it’d be cool if shields could block grab attacks like what the big monkey, scar, or mourning aix does. Or shields could add damage to your attacks = to a % of its hp.

  • @charginginprogresss
    @charginginprogresss 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    10:11 yeah, it's very easy. But there are times where it's not nice. I had the inferno rider and the monkey interrupt and waste one or two shield stacks because of that...

  • @dt4493
    @dt4493 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    We call that feature in PGR : Super Amor, basically it provides anti disruption and reduces dmg taken

  • @tenkaiyayes8495
    @tenkaiyayes8495 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    For me personally, these characters are made for beginners or those who wants to simply enjoy exploration. Most players don't really play endgame contents, and these two are super easy to build and pretty much immortal against overworld enemies. Don't forget, these characters were in the game since 1.0 standard banner. I'm pretty sure future shielders, if any, will have more use for endgame contents.

  • @XANDERcanDRAW
    @XANDERcanDRAW 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I much prefer it this way... I don't want to ALT 1234 all my enemies without minding the incoming damage.

  • @magnaroth6487
    @magnaroth6487 วันที่ผ่านมา

    10:45 bruh just 58k?
    18:10 true while fighting beringal i used nuke to auto parry his jump (when he try to catch u with both hands) i didn't parry he catches me but didn't stop the dmg i dealt or the animation
    it was really weird maybe a bug cus he destroyed me right and left while jinhsi stuck in the nuke animation and the camera angle stuck in jinhsi face

  • @Twynkiestynkie
    @Twynkiestynkie 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ngl, your content has been coming off as nitpicky ever since that entire gacha revenue fiasco. I liked your videos for your guides and perspective on different aspects of the game, not other people’s content.

  • @amplifire-
    @amplifire- 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    some random ahh youtuber told me that i should pick jianxin for the selector if I wanted a character that can do a bit of everything and an overall balanced character
    and here I am crying about it

  • @Dlo2018
    @Dlo2018 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I learned something here. That’s what this channel is for.

  • @TuanLe-gl4yt
    @TuanLe-gl4yt 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Chill Saintontas are back

  • @shawntan7952
    @shawntan7952 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I need MORE than 2 massive problems. There's just not enough

  • @invarkul7831
    @invarkul7831 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I don't have too much problems with interruption res but I'm 100% against shield characters being good in Wuwa. You have Intro, outro, dodge, parry and ultimate to avoid dmg as well as quite a large amount of healing to negate it. We don't need 2nd healthbar on top of it

  • @markdanieldalian2934
    @markdanieldalian2934 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Resistance to interuption. Isn't absolute. There are still times when even if you have it, you will be shoved(mostly from bosses). So face tanking everything is impossible. I have both xiangli yao and jiyan, and i didn't really notice any difference when it's activated or not. So shielders being able to give minor resistance, makes it so that u aren't getting juggled by mob tier enemies.

  • @renzturner8821
    @renzturner8821 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Four Massive Problems with Wuwa

  • @Mr.Spiller27
    @Mr.Spiller27 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Shields with anti interruption is just like having zhongli from gi, and kuro seems to hate that idea since it will make dodge and parry system useless

  • @the_one_who_shall_pull
    @the_one_who_shall_pull 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    13:07 ohhh noo our saint....
    he's getting corrupted

  • @ricardokojin7
    @ricardokojin7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I mean... I like shields. Is it because I suffer from "skill issues"? maybe.... but I like it. Healing is nice.... but healing doesn't stop you from getting 1 hit KO.
    My go-to echo in Illusive Realms is the turtle... I quite literally restart non-stop until it comes up. Taoqi is a great shield generator... tbh I don't wait for her bar to fill up to switch characters after getting her shield... not optimal? probably not... but I'm fine with it

  • @lesath7883
    @lesath7883 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My greatestnproblem with Sempai's video is that he mentions turning off one's brain.
    That is a concept that has no space in this kind of action combat games.
    If someone wants to turn off their brains, iddle games exist for that.
    I have been enjoying Girls Frontline 2 Exilium with autobattle, and it works wonderfully.

  • @jae7798
    @jae7798 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They should buff Jianxin and make her shield generation faster.

  • @voshadxgathic
    @voshadxgathic 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    In a game that advertises its skill based gameplay, I think making a Zhongli type character would be a mistake. While Hoyo did rework him a lot, what we've had for years is just a generic shield bot for casual and skill issue players.
    I don't want another community of people that don't understand and refuse to learn how and why it's a crutch and a damage loss.

  • @salad771
    @salad771 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    the real reason why shields sucks compared to healing is the fact that the other you can just access with a single press of a button while its counterpart is locked behind a character's forte and specific interactions(ie,intro skill) at least as of today.

  • @lunastraliasolas7308
    @lunastraliasolas7308 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The main problem of Taoqi is her concerto generation i main her and clear TOA every week with her as sub dps with heron ( bell is good since it's increase the damages takes, so you get higher number on your Liberation ) and chanli in the same team on the middle tower, you'r almost forced to play her with Discord the 4star broadsword since she don't generate concerto (rexlent talked about this problem at the release of the game and you should not play her because of this ), her intro hit shit it doesn't scale def it just generate shield, she's made to be played with a character with anti interruption and who deal most of her damages from resonance skill. but yeah both shield character are low tier but for Taoqi it's mostly because they sabotaged her kit just before the release shields are okay i would say they do well their jobs it's just the characters who use them are bad since they're not full support but sub dps.

  • @mtscsealer
    @mtscsealer 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    For me shields are more or less a double edge sword, all it takes is one miss hap in the shields and it ruins an entire game. Example
    In warframe there were 2 characters with self buff shield like machanics one is rhino with iron skin, set amount of stacks that reduces each time u get damaged but also reduces damaged to ur main hp bar and revenant with his 13 or 14 stacks of imune damage
    Rhino does not provide inturpts in his kit unless u use a certain equip that changes to that, but revenant does have it but it at limited stacks its easy to get hit 13 times or more in the game then usual, this balance changed completely with the introduction of Dante which basically destroyed that blanced and called in a nerf becuase he was to powerful to begin with think of him as shorekeeper but with 50000 atk stat with no echos that how powerful he is, not only his shields has anti interruption but it also a stack buff which is not a duration buff and easy to use as it takes 2 button presses and done. I do hope that they keep it as balanced as possible because it will ruin the difficulty if handled poorly like how hsr did with super break

  • @dokutah2480
    @dokutah2480 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    In my opinion they should give jianxin's shield the anti interrupt but reduce its duration slightly, and taoqi's should not have anti interruption but has increased dmg res as a trade-off.
    Why so?
    Jianxin's requires skillful timing to properly get the full shield, so it deserves the anti interruption
    Taoqi's is the fastest to set up and should not actually come with anti interruption considering how little effort it is to set up

  • @reijgr442
    @reijgr442 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Hey hey hey i'll not tolerate Jianxin slander!!

  • @mrflakey6163
    @mrflakey6163 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I get both sides of the arguments. right now shields are useless for better players, even for average players it's still sub-optimal. but on the other hand they can't make too broken or some of the other game mechanics will lose it's value. I'm no game designer so I can't offer solutions but it's something they should think about. because if they're not changing it they might as well remove shielding from the game since only a tiny percentage of the playerbase need it (if there is any)

  • @Senko1800
    @Senko1800 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Can someone explain to me why sanhua and yangyang give more buffs in their later Resonance chains but not jianxin? That's literally so weird .

  • @SpyralKing
    @SpyralKing วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thats because the game has no endgame content that rewards shields and slower gameplay. (Although giving shields interruption resistance would make alot of sernse and improve their overall usage for sure, I think they should do it) Everything is always a time rush so they get hard left behind. I wish there was more than simply the TOA to justify different playstyles. In that sense, HSR does more than most, by having endgame modes that each incentivize different strenghts: MOC for good general DPS along survival, PF for AOE specialists and AS for single target specialists. Its not perfect but Theyve atleast made great strides in offering content that gives most of the cast a chance to shine at what they are good at. Wuwa should really focus on content more like Holograms I think, as Holograms are really the heart and soul of what makes Wuwa so fun to play in the first place. Getting buffs and being rewarded directly for dodging and parrying is such a better way to structure the combat rather than having everything be about a timer and optimal DPS rotations. TOA does have a place in the game, but shouldnt be the only endgame mode. (Kuro please make holograms repeatable, like have them refresh once a week or something, its the most fun I've had in any gacha game but it was over so quickly) In holograms, for example, both Taoqi and Jianxin have way more use because of the security they provide.

  • @WhiteZet1
    @WhiteZet1 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I will play Lumi, Jianxin & Taoqi in a team soon, and it will work (badly).

  • @jerryvee3968
    @jerryvee3968 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I find that dodging and parrying is more fun than tanking hits without interruption. But that's just me and i hated the Zhongli invincible meta. Idk, it just feels static to me that i can abuse the enemy but they can't punish me for being lazy. Genshin pretty much showed how bad depending on anti-interruption shields could be when they had to make a new mob that specifically bypassed shields just to undo the overly beneficial status shields attained.
    Had shields more interactibility, ot wouldnt be such a downer to play them. Imagine like counter damage when a shield shatters or being able to store damage so long as the shield lives before breaking, then it buffs you you for how much damage it sustained in the time limit you had it up. You would have an active purpose to tanking damage and not stand there menacingly.
    I get that we all have our own ways of play, but taking the 'action' out of an 'action game' kinda dampens it for me. Shields with interruption resistance are just that. They're simple and easy to use, but the skill floor is so low, I might as well not use them just to give myself a fun challenge.