Manurhin MR93 Revolver - Dead end Or Too Soon?
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- Manurhin continued to try any offer new revolvers after the MR73 with various interpretations of Ruger pattern revolvers stemming from the tech transfer agreements between the two companies. In 1993 though they decided to bravely challenge the traditional revolver configuration and try something new for sports shooters.
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Now only if he had a Mateba 6 Unica. Would be obscure cybergun perfection.
Well every mateba model is a cyberpunk revolver.
@@TakNuke The only Mateba that got shown in any cyberpunk work was Ghost in the Shell with Togusa's revolver in the 1995 film and Stand Alone Complex; that was based on the 2006M (and even then was only based on it). It didn't even appear in the original manga where the scene adopted from the film has him and Motoko talking about how him bringing a shotgun along was a stupid idea compared to a rifle. How the Unica keeps being brought up when it comes to the subject matter, aside from just looking cool I do not know. Honestly, I've seen the Ruger Blackhawk turn up in more cyberpunk works than Mateba guns.
Yeeessss. The unica 6 has been on my dream list since highschool.
@@BadlanderOutsider Because something can evoke a genre without actually being featured in it.
@@BadlanderOutsider The CP 2020 RPG had the "Nova Model 338 Citygun" based on the Mateba MTR-8. Seven shots in .338 with disposable ceramic cylinders for faster reloads. .338 was in the .357 magnum range. I always figured this might be a viable concept for a revolver, though by the looks of it quite large and possibly front heavy.
As a Mulhouse made 5 1/4" MR73 owning frogeater, I am ashamed to have never known of this model. As usual excellent presentation, thank you.
Kudos to you Chap for recording this twice in English and French.
It’s a phenomenal way to get more eyes on your shows. Mr Beast has his shows translated into 4 or more languages for this reason and gets almost twice as many views for this reason. English is definitely the language of TH-cam, but it’s far from the only one. It’s actually helping me get my French and even German back to conversation level, (at least understanding and reading it).
Great episode. I didn’t need but I wanted the M73. Saved my nickles (don’t make pennies any more) and got one 6 months ago.
Congrats! They've gone up in price already!
I'm here, and I'm ready to learn more about weird French space Ruger revolvers.
Edit to add: Actually I'm intrigued by the entire concept of the arrangement between Ruger and Manurhin, and would love to see more examples of the products of this. Like the Gendarmerie Mini-14s and how they differ from the standard ones.
I'd like to see the Mini-14 video too, but the most obvious thing that stands out in pictures of them is that they made it look as much like an M1 Carbine as possible. It even has the oiler in the stock.
Ian at Forgotten Weapons did a video on the AMD mousqueton.
@@ktgiffin8147 Where is this video. I cannot find it.
They also made a copy of the GP100
@@ColburnFreml That's because, as far as I can tell, it doesn't actually exist. I think he meant this video on the Ruger AC-556, where he briefly discusses the Mousqueton AMD in the introduction, and says he will make a full video when he can get his hands on an example: th-cam.com/video/U1SsVahzSp8/w-d-xo.html
God I miss 90's firearms design. Maybe it's nostalgia or the anime nerd in me but guns like this, the Jericho 941, Mateba, USP just do it for me
No shame in being an anime nerd!
Fascinating. A remarkable revolver that really does belong in a movie. What is most remarkable about my MR73 is that it’s UNremarkable. GIGN liked the S&W Model 19, so they had Manurhin make them a M19 built to last forever.
they sure didn't miss on the aesthetics. if they felt like reintroducing this i'd go well out of my way for one
I never expected to see such a brilliant thumbnail
Dan Wesson revolvers also used a cylinder latch at the front of the frame but on the left side where it was activated by the left thumb. It was very convenient and ergonomic and I've wondered why that arrangement wasn't more popular.
@@Terminxman No it is NOT used on the X-frames
Chappy really spoiling us with all this sweet content
Love the classic marksman shooting, reminds me of my father and his competition days and my early learning to shoot, thanks for another excellent video!
At last someone who understands! The style is still very much alive in Europe.
@@thebotrchap I certainly do! I recall when "3 gun" meant 22, 38, 45 and all fired one handed in what today would all be considered "slow fire" but all very precise bullseye shooting. 22 could be either auto loader or revolver, 38 was almost exclusively revolver (my dad was a maverick and shot a colt national match in 38 special, S& W likewise made a 38 auto loader) and the 45 was the 1911. (But a few chose 45 acp revolvers so as to shoot all 3 stages with the same action and muscle memory) thanks so much for keeping this truly fine art alive!
It's really weird how companies will design a cool new revolver, but then forget about making the double action pull better or even just as good as the previous model. That cyberpunk look is probably worth it though. I feel like if a manufacturer is going to use a shouded barrel, it shouldn't be hard to keep the weight down.
I always loved the lines of the MR93!
I wish Millett sights were still being made. I have one on my Detonics Scoremaster. Very clean, strong design.
looks like Ian will visit you soon :)
Great video, very good command of the details, as usual. I remember I bought the issue of Action Guns when this model came out. Such an odd looking revolver, coming not so long after S&W released their classic looking L frame, so it's easy to understand why it flopped commercially.
The main spring assembly in the grip looks very similar to the one found in my Ruger 10/22 semi-auto rifle.
Love to see Jerry miculek try and speed load this !
The recent Kimber revolver is very reminiscent of this, the grip angle is similar.
I was thinking the same thing.
Very neat styling, thank you for sharing.
I owned one few years ago, great shooter and what a event each time at the range 😅
Ah, classic '90s cyberpunk designs - too advanced for their time but eternally stuck in it from our contemporary perspective...
Like 70s sci-fi full of silver foil jumpsuits, purple hair, and hovercraft for personal transport. Futuristic when written and irretrievably dated 5 minutes later.
@@lordsummerisle87 To be fair, hair dye is still relatively popular.
I'll say that my Ruger GP100 with 6" barrel mitigates recoil pretty well too. At 40+ oz. and with the larger Hogue wooden finger groove grips, it is an absolute beast of a revolver.
Weirdly the S&W 327 eats full house .357 even though it’s super light. It’s not always the weight but how that weight is in your hand. Obviously a Scandium and titanium gun isn’t going to hold its own against your battleship of a Ruger, but it is still pretty decent.
@@john-paulsilke893 It's a little funny you say that...I also have a S&W 360, scandium frame with stainless steel cylinder that is the opposite of the Ruger in nearly every way. I replaced the stock rubber grips with some thicker Altamonts, just so I could keep a better grip on it.😄
@@Ashcrash82 I’ve got Nil on my 5” TRR8. I too didn’t like the rubber, although I didn’t have to milk it when I shot, it wasn’t positive enough for me.
@@john-paulsilke893 now I have to look up Scandium, probably not mined in Scandinavia
Great, now I want one of these.
Well done Chap. Keep up the good work.
Got to admit, I like the look of this revolver. To bad so few were made.
"A company having a product that's so good, that people won't buy anything else." Why Heckler & Koch failed with the UMP. Who wouldn't want an MP-5 instead?
Great video!!👍🏼
Thank you. I've never even heard of this. It is as strange/beautiful as the Mateba.
I have allways wanted an MR93 cause of its looks! :D
I really like the look of that revolver.
Great video as usual! Being the proud owner of a MR73, I can only agree. Why buy anything else when you have one of the best revolvers in the world?
Money.
Damn bro buy me one too.
Because for almost any practical purpose an alright semi-automatic pistol is more useful than the best revolvers? And is much cheaper.
At the time, for what GIGN was doing, the MR73 fit the bill. But that was a very specific use case for a unit that has a very flexible arms budget.
May I inquire why you chose a 357 revolver over a 10mm pistol?
The DA pull looks similar to Ruger's where you don't pull straight through smoothly like with a S&W....but staging with the cylinder rotated and the hammer nearly ready to fall. My Rugers all allow me to snap the cylinder to the next round then pause for the final release of an accurate shot. When the tip of my trigger finger touches the guard...it's ready to fire and this can be done while recovering from recoil so shooting quickly and accurately easily done. If you have a Ruger revolver...try staging the trigger rather than a smooth straight through pull...it can work well if you get used to it.
It would work if the trigger pull was consistent, unfortunately the sensation changes from one chamber to the next.
I’m a huge S&W fan and prefer their triggers, (more experience with them) but you are absolutely right, it’s almost childishly easy to hover on the edge of the sear with a well maintained Ruger for a slow and deliberate shot. If I was a revolver hunter I’d either use a Ruger or a BFR, (same action as Ruger’s Blackhawk I think) but I’d probably prefer that double/single option even if I had to give up that sweet single action trigger.
This looks more cyberpunk/futuristic than the Chiappa.
A damned shame they were such a flop. I don't much like most modern revolvers, but I really like the style of that one, maybe I'll get lucky someday browsing gun broker. Thanks for sharing a close up look at it.
I wouldn't call the MR73 horrifically expensive by any stretch. Considering what you're getting it's pretty fair compared to a korth or something. There are classic smiths and colts that go for more than that.
True but only if that’s what you want. If looking for an average six shooter for casual range work you won’t be looking for an MR73 or Korth. Manurhin was trying to provide something special for that middle market.
If this was made today, i would have been interested in trying one. I don't mind the looks, and was looking for a revolver with fewer screws than a 686. (them gettin loose constantly got annoying)
And i never understood why revolvers to this day are desgned with flathead screws. This one at least has allen screws. (To me torx would be preferable if there has to be a screw in the first place)
In my quest to get something with fewer screws i ended up getting a GP100.
Nice one sir.
Needed Mirror Shades at the range.
I lack a studded leather jacket too.
@@thebotrchap I sense a Finnish Brutality outfit taking shape :D
It appears from here, two hand grip beats one hand grip accuracy.
For releasing the cylinder, what if you reach over, push the button with your thumb, does gravity drop the cylinder in your hand?
I think as training intensive as those guys were and the revolver and speed loaders those were every bit a capable weapon
Interesting Ruger connection. I like the Ruger setup.
The Schwitzerdütsch (I assume) in the background. :D
I like the look
You mentioned the Morini grip stating that these are Made in Italy Cesare Morini is indeed Italian, but morini arms is Suisse in Ticino 🙄. Mr Morini has gone back to Italy, and the Morini company continues its business from Bedano, Canton Ticino. For the rest, great video!
I think it looks magnificent
I see you have acquired a mill to go with your lathe!
Very interesting piece. Do you find it as accurate as the MR73? Always wanted one of those but never had the spare cash for one.
Single action I reckon it can be just as accurate. Double action there is absolutely no chance.
They both use the exact same cold forged barrel, so the 93 should be just as, if not more accurate than the 73, as that steel shroud adds a pretty good amount of heft at the end, which helps counteract muzzle flip
25m, one handed? That group! That's just shooter shaming!
PS: Not actually but The Algorithm demands being engaged and frankly 25 is on the long end. 👍🏻
"The most cyberpunk looking revolver" - uhm, the Korth Super Sport would like to have a word with you! 😁
Yeah but Korths are abnoxious overpriced try-hards 🤣
Nice
That's a pretty thicc revolver.
Most Cyberpunk revolver? I mean the Chiappa Rhino exists, but this is close second :)
Is it possible to replace the diminutive button or could, in theory at least, it be replaced with one that's properly proud of the frame?
Yes. Thanks for the idea 💡
Insomnia pays off
Great pistol but like colt's trooper too expensive
Cool
I own a Dan Wesson in 38/357 and can tell you the cylinder latch on the front is a big mistake. After firing a dozen or so 357 rounds the latch gets so hot from the gases escaping from around the forcing cone that it burns your fingers when you go to release the cylinder.
I fired 100 38s and 50 357 in that session, no heat issues whatsoever. Maybe the chunky barrel shroud acts as a very efficient heat sink.
@@thebotrchap Glad to hear the Manurhin MR93 doesn't have that problem. My Dan Wesson has interchangeable barrels and also has chunky barrel shrouds so I'm not sure that's how Manurhin managed to prevent the heat problem. I thought Dan Wesson could have solved the problem with a heat-resistant coating of some kind. All speculation on my part. Nice of you to reply, thank you.
I hope to see an MR96.
Me too 😊
When firing, he brings the firing hand down and works the hammer with the other hand. Is this to prevent upsetting hand position between shots, because of some quirk of the gun (e.g. hard to pull or hard to reach with "sausage fingers") or some other/combination of things?
It's to avoid breaking grip, so the grip is fully consistent. It's a very simple little thing, but it has a huge impact on target.
@@BlokeontheRange that was a quick reply! That makes sense but I don't do much pistol target shooting so I didn't want to assume. Thank you for explaining
Kinda reminds me of the Revolver in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Does the lock location make this the only modern sidelock revolver design?
Huh I hadn’t thought of that. A bit of a throwback to the Kerr percussion revolver.
YEEEESSSSS
Kinda read that as M93R the first two times.
say „Hi“ to Lee 😊
Definitely is an accurate gun!
Morini is not Italian, is Swiss since 1990, based in Bedano, Ticino. Yes it started in Italy, but...
I bet the core design team was still Italian, so…
Well, at that time probably. The family that owns it is Swiss, they all work there. Then , being not far from the border, I guess quite few of the workers are "frontalieri". Quite a few Swiss companies have foreign workers, that does not makes them not Swiss. But I could ask them ;-)
correction, they moved to Switzerland in 1985
It's not act a bad looking revolver but I see what you mean about it being a boat anchor the recoil from the 38s looks like you are shooting a 22
I imagine that with the brown ergonomic grips it really would look like it had manure on.
Is there a particular reason why red dots aren't put on mid sized or smaller revolvers that have a shorter sight radius but are inherently accurate? I've heard some make a chrome like finish rds housing to change the look but I wouldn't care. Put the microwave on top, rds with magnifier on the big irons.
Not being a shooter, I am curious if the foresight obscures the target as the backsight seems to simply be a vertical slot.
Two vertical slots would enable you to see a small portion of the target.
@@myparceltape1169 For target work you generally line up the sights so that they make a line under the black bull zone, otherwise you are trying to centre black sights on a black target. The notch idea you mention was used by the French on Lebels and Berthiers from 1915. Big square front sight for rapid shooting and a small notch in it for when time allowed for a careful shots.
@@thebotrchap Thank you. Perhaps I have been spending too much time looking to centre a line between crosshairs. This allows involves 'operator error' but the same operator usually makes the same degree of error.
Approaching the line from the same direction every time helps to compensate for the error in the instrument in the same way that raising the pistol lets you hold the straight line across the target world do - I imagine.
How sacriligeous would adding a RMR be?
No sacrilege, it is what it is.
Is that a stand for a milling machine in the background?
Yes, it has since arrived. It’s small but enough for my modest needs. Still needed two men to lift it on the stand though. Those things are dense!
@@thebotrchap Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry I posted a bit early, as I saw the red milling machine at the end of the video.
If the button was bigger it might have gotten pressed in a holster.
Bigger doesn’t necessarily mean more prominent.
Nice? The odd cylinder release is off-putting though. Seems like it would get grunged up with cylinder gasses pretty quickly in a match, for instance.
It’s had about 200 38s and 100 357 though it and the inside of the cylinder release is still sparkly clean.
I don't think that they could make the cylinder release any larger and not have issues with holstering.
I doubt holstering was high on the priority list, they have zero application in European civilian shooting culture especially in the 90s.
Assuming it was though, they could have simply made the front of the frame slightly thicker to make room for a wider button without having to making it stick out more to the side, but that would of course add more weight. They probably had to reach a compromise.
I only had problems with my MR93. The cylinder kept jamming and the internal parts are of inferior quality.
Yeah I have one indexing point which hangs up occasionally. Not a problem for casual range work but not something you would like to stake your life on or put through a high intensity sporting match.
Darn
Mechanically interesting gun. But it's got the aesthetics of a steel 2x4.
I absolutely hate the looks of the grips, but they feel soooooo good.
How is the weight, cost, and balance?
Cost - Depends on your second hand market. Rare doesn’t necessarily mean expensive if no one knows or cases what it is.
Balance - The 6” is naturally a bit front heavy
Weight - Depends on barrel length.
As you know pistols are banned in the UK.
But I still have a pistol I bought in the nintees.
It's a steyr
manlicher 4.5mm five shot Olympic style target pistol.
Designation is the LP5.
With compensator with two magazines and two precharged cylinders pressurised to 300 bar.
Cost just over £ 1000 pounds
The LP range is nice. Back in the day I had a Pardini 4.5mm. Unforgiving on target but that’s the point.
@@thebotrchap the fiocci pardini was a beautiful looking pistol
Pity that they didn't get the double action pull right.
My God what a racket in that range lol. I can't stand indoor ranges. sounded like you had an air compressor going for a while in there.
Aussen hui - Innen pfui
I don't know ... I have a Ruger GP 100 with a 6" barrel ... Its made from a solid piece of steel and locks up 3 ways.
What don’t you know?
Looks like a Dan Wesson!
I can not find the connection between aesthetics and this revolver.
You guys okay? No new upload in 2 weeks
Taking a little break / lower output for a while. There'll be a vid this friday though.
@@BlokeontheRange I hope you and your family are well
Boris the blade says heavy is good 🥸
I prefer S&W in 357, model 686, 19 etc.
CyberPunk 2093...
What makes the Manurhin so expensive?
If you’re referring to the MR73, outstanding quality and durability. Ian and I have done numerous vids on it. The rest of the Manurhin revolver prices are unfortunately inflated by association by greedy sellers. The other revolvers aren’t bad but not worth a markup over SW, Colt, Ruger etc.
@@thebotrchap what about Khort ? Do these two manufacturers use better steel ?
@@thebotrchap I can not find your MR73 vids, I looked over the thumbnails twice, no luck.
Please post the link here. Thank you.
@@dirkbogarde7796 th-cam.com/video/l63GQUUGspQ/w-d-xo.html
I have never seen anyone with normal strength in the hands cock the hammer of a revolver by dropping it down to cock with the other hand. Perhaps it is a Swiss range rule? I and most people do not drop it down completely out the line of sight to use the off hand for cocking. Interesting for sure. For rapid single action shooting, with both hands being used used to grasp the revolver, the off hand can be used to cock the hammer facilitating rapid fire.
Standard in European target shooting which is 25-50m, regardless whether your are a weedy desk jockey or gym jerk. Pistol lowered to the bench, small pause to rest the arm, recock with other hand to avoid changing your grip.
@@thebotrchap Not changing the grip, hmmm. I will have to remember that, but then I seldom do bullseye shooting with a revolver. I think the .32 S&W long is your standard revolver round in that part of the world and likely does not cause the grip to shift after firing.
You shooting probably does not have a 10 second rapid fire stage for 5 shots is my guess at 25 yards as we do in the USA. We do slow fire at 50 yards where there would be plenty of time to cock the gun in that manner.
.32 S&W Long is not the standard revolver round in that part of the world. .38 Spl is. Insofar as revolvers are in any way standard here at all.
What is "micro-fusion casting"?
Precision investment casting
@@thebotrchap Thanks... but that answers nothing. What is "Precision investment casting"?
@@petethebastard Google is your friend.
Shame they didn't try to be more futuristic and combine the durability of the MR73 with a Mateba barrel orientation and the multicaliber cylinder of the Medusa. Also, ona side note, is it a rule somewhere that niche late 20th century revolvers have to start with "M"?
If so, North American Arms and Magnum Research didn't get the memo. Then again, maybe the rule only applies to double actions?
Too soon.
"Get your A** to Mars"
It could be worse, Venus is sultry damn sultry
@@george2113 Moist!
@@jamesbromstead4949 it's about 900 deg f at the surface, 95 times Earth pressure, oh and the sulfureric acid rain!
@@george2113 The scene from "Throw Mama from the train' goes; "it was a hot night, a wet night.... It was hot, it was wet, it was moist. Then Mama says... The night was sultry!"
@@jamesbromstead4949 indeed
Yuubob won't let me like the video... I tried.. now it worked... kinda sketchy
I can see the advantages of a revolver... But it's a six-shooter in the world of accuracy by firepower!
The Frogs are weird...
At pistol range, a chestfull of 9mm will beat a .357.... Sporting? ...I dunno!
Finger groove on the trigger guard seems ill-advised
They were all the rage at the time when the "hooking finger around the trigger guard" thing was still a fairly mainstream thing.
I view them rather the same as ridiculous high heels in pr0n: they're left on because although most sensible people ignore them, those strange types who love them *really* love them and will complain loudly if they're not there...
@@BlokeontheRange I was thinking more about the cylinder gap.
@@dchil15 I think that one also applies to pr0n.
I would still prefer the Smith and Wesson revolvers.
Pre-metal-injection-moulded S&W's are the way forward.
@@BlokeontheRange I have one Smith with MIM parts, a Model 686. With about 1500 rounds through it so far, it's been fine.
Why aren't you working the hammer with your firing hand? I get using the off-hand thumb when using a two-handed grip, but I've never seen someone using a one-handed grip bring their pistol all the way down, cock the hammer with their off hand, and then all the way back up to fire.
Because you don't want to disturb your grip once you've got it. Plus bringing it down gives your muscles time to relax, so even the auto shooters bring the pistol all the way down when firing single shots.
Come to a serious target-shooting competition and you won't see anyone who's any good doing it any other way.
@@BlokeontheRange Thanks for the reply. I think you're view is skewed either towards Olympic-style shooting or something more common in Europe as that's just not something I'm familiar with here in the US. So I guess it would depend on the style of "serious target-shooting".
We're generally trying to hit a 50mm bull at 25m, or a 100mm bull at 50m. Cocking with the firing hand is a n00b move that gets beaten out of newcomers as soon as possible, since you need to get your grip as good as it can be, and as consistent as it can be, and then not break it until the string is over. If the pistol is even slightly rotated in your hand you can easily be 4-6" off where you think you should be at 25m.
@@BlokeontheRange Ok