Thank you so much indie_SAGE, by educating us you have kept so many of us from catching the virus - and by that you have saved so many lives. Please do consider carrying on with some form of briefings on TH-cam - just running through statistics every now and then would be wonderful and a great help.
Thank you so much to everyone of you for the selfless contribution to keep the public informed during the hard times. There were times when things were so bleak that Indie_SAGE was the only thing that gave me hope. You will never know how much you helped. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
I cannot thank you enough for everything you have all done over more than three years. It's been an incredible and admirable collaboration. You, along with TWIV, have provided my trusted source of information throughout. I don't think i have missed a single briefing. As a clinically vulnerable person to long covid as well as keeping safe during a year of cancer treatment, i feel i owe you my life, along with incredible treatment from doctors, nurses, radiotherapists and other specialist staff in the NHS. Such a tragedy obvious science based precautions were not, and still are not followed by more people wnd organisations. Oh for clean air in schools, workplaces and all indoor public locations. I will miss you. You have been amazing. Thank you ❤
Thank you so much for the information, guidance and hope you've given those of us who've felt condemned since early 2020. Your briefings will be missed.
Thanks for all your invaluable work! I understand that this has been the last briefing; maybe you can come back in the future, maybe one briefing every three months or so. One can hope. Of course it would be best if COVID was done in the near future, but that seems unlikely. Please make sure to announce any future projects, such as the Substack newsletter that was mentioned, here on TH-cam so people like me won't miss it.
Sorry I had to work yesterday, and missed this live. As a member of the public, Indie SAGE has saved my sanity since the pandemic began. I don't know where we as a nation would be without all of you. Thank you so much to all the members, especially to those who 'stuck their necks out' in the media, to try and do right by the public. And quite often got piled on, especially the female members of the group like Professor Pagel, Dr Haq etc. An especial thank you to them.
Thank you for keeping such a sensible and common sense approach towards managing covid. I watched Indie Sage throughout pandemic and it was so helpful and informative@
Thank you for everything! Without all of your expertises I would never have got through this awful Pandemic with my mental health and physical health in tact. I sincerely believe that I owe you all my Life Pretty sure that I am not the only one who feels this way I will remain vigilant because, as you all rightly point out, this Pandemic is still not over. Take care Love, Hugs and Peace Tracey Eva x
An excellent session as always. Thank you so much for keeping me and the public so well informed. I hope you managed to get together for a well-deserved knees up.
So good to hear from so many of the experts we have relied on for accurate information and helpful practical advice. Please put links on your website to the individual social media accounts where we can continue to benefit from your expertise and wide ranging experience. Thank you all very much for your support over the past years.
Independent Sage has been a enormous intellectual and emotional support for me, and those I love, throughout the last few 'Covid-shadowed' years. Your sane supply of evidence-based information with courage enough to share news of any flavour; whether worrying or more optimistic simply kept me going. My very deep thanks and gratitude.
Thanks to all who participated in Independent Sage, it has been my go-to for the stats facts and information from the beginning. Sir David King how about an Independent SAGC: Scientific Advisory Group for Climate?
I will miss your sane briefings and discussions which have helped to guide us through the pandemic and counter the misinformation and false speculation which is rife on TH-cam. I don’t always manage to see the podcast live but always catch up later. Thank you all. I hope you will manage to do the occasional podcast when there is something to report or advise upon.
Indie Sage were a lifesaver for me. I am CV my daughter CEV, my Dad CEV. I listened to them and myself and my daughter are still here, unfortunately my Dad did not want to take their advice passed on from me and was a 2nd wave/eat out to help out victim. I also remember Jenny Harries "children are more likely to get run over by a bus than catch Covid" that aged well. Yet in the Indie Sage briefing people in the comments were alerting the scientists there that their children had caught it. Thank you so much for all you have done, you arexall fantastic human beings.
At the very end everyone said "bye" but one person said "till next time" I guess someone has the next global pandemic already pencilled into their calender. Anyway, it's a shame your regular broadcasts are coming to an end, it was good to always be informed. And looking back to when Boris was the PM and every word out of his mouth about any topic was a lie, it was invaluable to have information about the Pandemic from indie_SAGE where the information hadn't been tanted by Boris's lies. Thank you for all your hard work.
Thank you all so much for your work in providing better understanding and awareness. You have been a model in how to communicate in accessible, digestible form on important yet complex subjects. Personally I've found your briefings invaluable and it's also been great for what might be called emotional support to be able to listen to this authoritative, trustworthy, and independent group regularly. Thank you!
Chapters 00:23 Intro Prof Alice Roberts 02:18 Indie_SAGE future: Prof Stephen Griffin 04:00 Stats: Dr Kit Yates & Prof Christina Pagel 14:13 Why Indie_SAGE? Prof Susan Mitchie 14:54 Sir David King, Founder of IS, former Chief Scientific Advisor 20:50 What has IS achieved? Prof Deenan Pillay, Emeritus Prof of Virology, UCL 25:50 Views on scientists communicating with govt & the public 26:10 Deenan Pillay 32:26 What are the lessons to be learned from IS? David King 36:50 Summary: Alice Roberts 42:50 Behaviour advisory group : Prof Elizabeth Stokoe, Psychological and Behavioural Science, LSE 45:58 Questions from the public 46.04 Are the risks of Long term health issues known? 49:36 Any news on JCVI recommending the latest Novovax vaccines? 51:50 How & when will the Covid pandemic be over? 54:41 FAQ & lessons to be learned: Stephen Griffin 56:30 Were we well prepared in 2020: Prof Martin McKee 58:30 What more could be done wrt using our test & tracing capabilities : Prof Gabriel Scally, visiting Prof of Public Health, Bristol Univ 1:02:08 Could herd immunity by infection have ever worked without vaccination? Sheena Cruickshank 1:04:06 Was the emphasis on modelling the right way forward? Kit Yates 1:06:34 What difference would it have made if our understanding of airborne transmission had been more broadly accepted? Dr Helen Salisbury & Susan Michie 1:11:55 What has been the impact on key workers? Dr Benita Kane 1:14:11 Impact on primary Healthcare? Helen Salisbury 1:16:06 Why did IS recommend maximum suppression? Christina Pagel 1:17:44 Balancing Lockdowns against economic harms? Prof Stephen Reicher 1:19:20 How could we have improved adherence to isolation etc? Prof Anthony Costello 1:21:30 What have we learned about rapid deployment of vaccines & treatments? Sheen Cruickshank 1:23:25 What can we learn from the experience of Pandemic of inequalities? Dr Zubaida Haque 1:25:55 Has the virus lost its teeth with Omicron? Prof Aris Katzourakis 1:27:34 Data sources & monitoring? Dr Duncan Robertsin 1:29:24 Did we get the behavioral approach right? Stephen Reichert 1:30:38 Final thoughts: Anthony Costello 1:33:14 Close: Alice Roberts While the Briefings have now stopped, please continue to follow IS through the website independentsageDOTorg, Twitter (X) @IndependentSage & Substack open.substack.com/pub/independentsage
@@WillNewcomb ALSO anyone coming across the YT can immediately see what interests them most, without doing the whole 90 minutes ! THEN they may watch more and more .
Thank you so much for all you have contributed. You have given the general public information and confidence, it is always good to have some input about what is going on.
To this day I will never understand why the World Health Organisation rejected asserting the fact that the Coronavirus was Airborne so early in the Pandemic I am not a Scientist but I do have a Law background so I am familiar with The Precautionary Principle. Which meant that I assumed that COVID-19 might be Airborne when I first heard about the outbreak in 2020 and I then took the necessary precautions. Considering that there are so many Lawyers who are also MPs, Members of the Cabinet and Civil Servants I just don’t understand why so few then factored in The Precautionary Principle into their thinking, planning and advice to the public
I am in the sciences and it's hard for me to believe, too. On Jan 20, 2020, I wrote to WHO, CDC, and NIAID wondering why they were not acting quicker and gave some advice on how to mitigate this coming pandemic. I also bought viral N95s (reusable), my first thermometer, nitrile gloves, and a pulse oximeter. It was pretty clear where it was heading by the third week in January by the reports out of China. And we totally knew it was airborne by those reports.. 😢
@@Treehugging_Leftie Me too. Also, that it is starting to look like multiple infections may affect our vascular system and beyond. I read journal articles daily on the updated results from infections and it's harrowing. A good article that just touches on some of these (far from all) is from The Tyee, "We Interrupt This Mood of Denial to Update COVID’s Threat". I truly wonder what our world will look like in 10 -20 years.
@@circa1890 I do think life expectancy has been dramatically shortened as a consequence I worry about the future too. Particularly with regards the much younger generations and how the Virus has affected their Brains and Hearts
Thank you all so much! Your calm, measured response gave me the tools to deal with the pandemic, both practically and mentally. My knowledge of science has grown, I can’t say how much it’s meant to me ❤
What is best for people's health is also best for the economy. We need to vote for politicians that care about people instead of their own prestige and wealth.
PS I have a messed up immune system and had all but the recent booster. I had frightening heart palpitations immediately after the last jab which have lasted until the present. So, I really don't know whether to have the autumn booster. Did Inde Sage cover vaccine side effects?
I don't mind scientific modelling as long as action comes out of it. Listening to the scientists in the Inquiry I got the impression that early on there was a lot of modelling and very little action, and it was disappointing to hear that Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance disagreed on when to take action rather than to act immediately as per the precautionary principle: to scale up test trace and supported isolation. I mean they knew PHE couldn't do it on its own, but there are labs up and down the country, why didn't the government use them?
Unfortunately, so many countries learned so little from this experience. I know in the U.S., the CDC is still completely incompetent when it comes to their communication measures.. if anything, they're worse now. 😢
Thank you for all your hard work. Sadly the next time, the government will still do the same things. Looks like there might be a new one in China, presenting as pneumonia affecting children.
Yeah locking kids up bound to cause longer term problems with their immune systems. Even more do when they were forced into filthy, bacteria laden masks.
Thankyou so much SAGE for being duped and pushing the jab on those who didnt need it. Do the right thing and come out amd say SORRY for getting it wrong.
Yay, the comedy show is over. The most extreme group that claim "the science" finally calls it a day. A truly monentus occasion. Any of you fancy joining the climate scam? 😂
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Thank you Indie Sage for all your hard work and all the Friday briefings which will be missed.
Thank you so much indie_SAGE, by educating us you have kept so many of us from catching the virus - and by that you have saved so many lives. Please do consider carrying on with some form of briefings on TH-cam - just running through statistics every now and then would be wonderful and a great help.
Thank you so much for all you have done.
Every time I listen a second time to the Briefings my jaw drops at the quality of the members and relevence of their responses.
YOU'RE THE BEST!!!
Thank you so much to everyone of you for the selfless contribution to keep the public informed during the hard times. There were times when things were so bleak that Indie_SAGE was the only thing that gave me hope. You will never know how much you helped. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
Brilliant info and support throughout. Invaluable. Thanks
I cannot thank you enough for everything you have all done over more than three years. It's been an incredible and admirable collaboration. You, along with TWIV, have provided my trusted source of information throughout. I don't think i have missed a single briefing. As a clinically vulnerable person to long covid as well as keeping safe during a year of cancer treatment, i feel i owe you my life, along with incredible treatment from doctors, nurses, radiotherapists and other specialist staff in the NHS. Such a tragedy obvious science based precautions were not, and still are not followed by more people wnd organisations. Oh for clean air in schools, workplaces and all indoor public locations. I will miss you. You have been amazing. Thank you ❤
Thanks to all involved, all information provided was top class and helpful 👏
Thank you so much for the information, guidance and hope you've given those of us who've felt condemned since early 2020. Your briefings will be missed.
Thank you all for your expertise, knowledge and insights throughout the covid pandemic - it has been invaluable!
Go well!
Thanks for all your invaluable work! I understand that this has been the last briefing; maybe you can come back in the future, maybe one briefing every three months or so. One can hope. Of course it would be best if COVID was done in the near future, but that seems unlikely.
Please make sure to announce any future projects, such as the Substack newsletter that was mentioned, here on TH-cam so people like me won't miss it.
Thank you all from the bottom of my heart. Your advice has been so helpful ❤
Sorry I had to work yesterday, and missed this live. As a member of the public, Indie SAGE has saved my sanity since the pandemic began. I don't know where we as a nation would be without all of you. Thank you so much to all the members, especially to those who 'stuck their necks out' in the media, to try and do right by the public. And quite often got piled on, especially the female members of the group like Professor Pagel, Dr Haq etc. An especial thank you to them.
Thank you for keeping such a sensible and common sense approach towards managing covid. I watched Indie Sage throughout pandemic and it was so helpful and informative@
So long and thanks for all the fish. Your voice has been a valuable one.
Thank you for everything!
Without all of your expertises I would never have got through this awful Pandemic with my mental health and physical health in tact.
I sincerely believe that I owe you all my Life
Pretty sure that I am not the only one who feels this way
I will remain vigilant because, as you all rightly point out, this Pandemic is still not over.
Take care
Love, Hugs and Peace
Tracey Eva x
You're correct. You're not alone in thinking this.
An excellent session as always. Thank you so much for keeping me and the public so well informed. I hope you managed to get together for a well-deserved knees up.
Thankyou Independant Sage.
So good to hear from so many of the experts we have relied on for accurate information and helpful practical advice. Please put links on your website to the individual social media accounts where we can continue to benefit from your expertise and wide ranging experience. Thank you all very much for your support over the past years.
Independent Sage has been a enormous intellectual and emotional support for me, and those I love, throughout the last few 'Covid-shadowed' years. Your sane supply of evidence-based information with courage enough to share news of any flavour; whether worrying or more optimistic simply kept me going. My very deep thanks and gratitude.
Couldn’t agree more 👏
Thanks to all who participated in Independent Sage, it has been my go-to for the stats facts and information from the beginning. Sir David King how about an Independent SAGC: Scientific Advisory Group for Climate?
As an immunosuppressed adult I just want to thank you for this reliable source of information
I will miss your sane briefings and discussions which have helped to guide us through the pandemic and counter the misinformation and false speculation which is rife on TH-cam. I don’t always manage to see the podcast live but always catch up later. Thank you all. I hope you will manage to do the occasional podcast when there is something to report or advise upon.
Indie Sage were a lifesaver for me. I am CV my daughter CEV, my Dad CEV.
I listened to them and myself and my daughter are still here, unfortunately my Dad did not want to take their advice passed on from me and was a 2nd wave/eat out to help out victim.
I also remember Jenny Harries "children are more likely to get run over by a bus than catch Covid" that aged well. Yet in the Indie Sage briefing people in the comments were alerting the scientists there that their children had caught it.
Thank you so much for all you have done, you arexall fantastic human beings.
Yes echo comments. Independent Sage gave me so much Knowledge and Support.
Many thanks for your work you have done a great job .
cheers for all your past and future efforts, it is very much appreciated!
At the very end everyone said "bye" but one person said "till next time" I guess someone has the next global pandemic already pencilled into their calender.
Anyway, it's a shame your regular broadcasts are coming to an end, it was good to always be informed. And looking back to when Boris was the PM and every word out of his mouth about any topic was a lie, it was invaluable to have information about the Pandemic from indie_SAGE where the information hadn't been tanted by Boris's lies.
Thank you for all your hard work.
I was late to the Briefing party. September 2021 by my records. I've kept notes ever since. Blessings to you all and those behind the scenes.
Thank you all so much for your work in providing better understanding and awareness. You have been a model in how to communicate in accessible, digestible form on important yet complex subjects. Personally I've found your briefings invaluable and it's also been great for what might be called emotional support to be able to listen to this authoritative, trustworthy, and independent group regularly. Thank you!
I have a hard time believing that the UK is going to see the arrival of BA.2.86 and JN.1 without seeing a widespread effect.
Absolutely widespread effect. And also with XDD, which is recombinant.
Lots of people with a bit of a cold. Yes, it'll be like any other winter. Move on.
JN1 looks like it could be a bugger
Chapters
00:23 Intro Prof Alice Roberts
02:18 Indie_SAGE future: Prof Stephen Griffin
04:00 Stats: Dr Kit Yates & Prof Christina Pagel
14:13 Why Indie_SAGE? Prof Susan Mitchie
14:54 Sir David King, Founder of IS, former Chief Scientific Advisor
20:50 What has IS achieved? Prof Deenan Pillay, Emeritus Prof of Virology, UCL
25:50 Views on scientists communicating with govt & the public
26:10 Deenan Pillay
32:26 What are the lessons to be learned from IS? David King
36:50 Summary: Alice Roberts
42:50 Behaviour advisory group : Prof Elizabeth Stokoe, Psychological and Behavioural Science, LSE
45:58 Questions from the public
46.04 Are the risks of Long term health issues known?
49:36 Any news on JCVI recommending the latest Novovax vaccines?
51:50 How & when will the Covid pandemic be over?
54:41 FAQ & lessons to be learned: Stephen Griffin
56:30 Were we well prepared in 2020: Prof Martin McKee
58:30 What more could be done wrt using our test & tracing capabilities : Prof Gabriel Scally, visiting Prof of Public Health, Bristol Univ
1:02:08 Could herd immunity by infection have ever worked without vaccination? Sheena Cruickshank
1:04:06 Was the emphasis on modelling the right way forward? Kit Yates
1:06:34 What difference would it have made if our understanding of airborne transmission had been more broadly accepted? Dr Helen Salisbury & Susan Michie
1:11:55 What has been the impact on key workers? Dr Benita Kane
1:14:11 Impact on primary Healthcare? Helen Salisbury
1:16:06 Why did IS recommend maximum suppression? Christina Pagel
1:17:44 Balancing Lockdowns against economic harms? Prof Stephen Reicher
1:19:20 How could we have improved adherence to isolation etc? Prof Anthony Costello
1:21:30 What have we learned about rapid deployment of vaccines & treatments? Sheen Cruickshank
1:23:25 What can we learn from the experience of Pandemic of inequalities? Dr Zubaida Haque
1:25:55 Has the virus lost its teeth with Omicron? Prof Aris Katzourakis
1:27:34 Data sources & monitoring? Dr Duncan Robertsin
1:29:24 Did we get the behavioral approach right? Stephen Reichert
1:30:38 Final thoughts: Anthony Costello
1:33:14 Close: Alice Roberts
While the Briefings have now stopped, please continue to follow IS through the website independentsageDOTorg, Twitter (X) @IndependentSage & Substack
open.substack.com/pub/independentsage
MANY THANKS WILL, YOUR CHAPTERS ARE A GREAT PUBLIC SERVICE !
@@frog252 You're welcome. I find them helpful when going back to a previous episode to find the quote I was interested in.
@@WillNewcomb ALSO anyone coming across the YT can immediately see what interests them most, without doing the whole 90 minutes ! THEN they may watch more and more .
Alternatively 0:01 the bs starts
Thank you so much for all you have contributed. You have given the general public information and confidence, it is always good to have some input about what is going on.
Independant Sage is just one example of the brilliance that there is in the world.
Oh hell, we're fkd if that's what is "brilliance"
To this day I will never understand why the World Health Organisation rejected asserting the fact that the Coronavirus was Airborne so early in the Pandemic
I am not a Scientist but I do have a Law background so I am familiar with The Precautionary Principle. Which meant that I assumed that COVID-19 might be Airborne when I first heard about the outbreak in 2020 and I then took the necessary precautions.
Considering that there are so many Lawyers who are also MPs, Members of the Cabinet and Civil Servants I just don’t understand why so few then factored in The Precautionary Principle into their thinking, planning and advice to the public
I am in the sciences and it's hard for me to believe, too.
On Jan 20, 2020, I wrote to WHO, CDC, and NIAID wondering why they were not acting quicker and gave some advice on how to mitigate this coming pandemic.
I also bought viral N95s (reusable), my first thermometer, nitrile gloves, and a pulse oximeter. It was pretty clear where it was heading by the third week in January by the reports out of China.
And we totally knew it was airborne by those reports.. 😢
@@circa1890 It breaks my heart how many people died or ended up with Long Covid and have become permanently Disabled as a consequence 😔
@@Treehugging_Leftie Me too. Also, that it is starting to look like multiple infections may affect our vascular system and beyond.
I read journal articles daily on the updated results from infections and it's harrowing.
A good article that just touches on some of these (far from all) is from The Tyee, "We Interrupt This Mood of Denial to Update COVID’s Threat".
I truly wonder what our world will look like in 10 -20 years.
@@circa1890 I do think life expectancy has been dramatically shortened as a consequence
I worry about the future too. Particularly with regards the much younger generations and how the Virus has affected their Brains and Hearts
@@circa1890 I will look up that article 👍
Thank you all!
Thank you all so much! Your calm, measured response gave me the tools to deal with the pandemic, both practically and mentally. My knowledge of science has grown, I can’t say how much it’s meant to me ❤
Thank you
What is best for people's health is also best for the economy. We need to vote for politicians that care about people instead of their own prestige and wealth.
Thank you.
What a brilliant group. Thank you so much. Shame the Corvid Inquiry isn't going to call on you for evidence. Xxx
PS I have a messed up immune system and had all but the recent booster. I had frightening heart palpitations immediately after the last jab which have lasted until the present. So, I really don't know whether to have the autumn booster. Did Inde Sage cover vaccine side effects?
Cross disciplinary approach? Would that include child psychology, or economics by any chance?
I don't mind scientific modelling as long as action comes out of it. Listening to the scientists in the Inquiry I got the impression that early on there was a lot of modelling and very little action, and it was disappointing to hear that Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance disagreed on when to take action rather than to act immediately as per the precautionary principle: to scale up test trace and supported isolation. I mean they knew PHE couldn't do it on its own, but there are labs up and down the country, why didn't the government use them?
Thank you all. You've been my comfort blanket/voice of reason for over three years.
Unfortunately, so many countries learned so little from this experience.
I know in the U.S., the CDC is still completely incompetent when it comes to their communication measures.. if anything, they're worse now. 😢
No Anthony THANK YOU ONE AND ALL. Sad to see you go, but hope NOT to see you all again. Wish you all HEALTH and happiness.
🙏❤✊
The LAST briefing??? Really? 😮
With this pandemic continuing on, governments choosing to draw the curtains on publicly accessible data it is sad to see this group let go.
Thank you for all your hard work. Sadly the next time, the government will still do the same things. Looks like there might be a new one in China, presenting as pneumonia affecting children.
Yeah locking kids up bound to cause longer term problems with their immune systems. Even more do when they were forced into filthy, bacteria laden masks.
brilliant 🧡especially point driven on science and how to communicate by Prof. Alice Roberts
🖖
Thankyou so much SAGE for being duped and pushing the jab on those who didnt need it.
Do the right thing and come out amd say SORRY for getting it wrong.
Will the Tik Tok dancing medical staff be ok?
Crowd funds ?? Wow
Not standing down .....mmmmm
What pandemic in 2009?
H1N1 (swine flu)
I'm sure Neil Ferguson predicted something. Wrongly.
Yay, the comedy show is over. The most extreme group that claim "the science" finally calls it a day. A truly monentus occasion.
Any of you fancy joining the climate scam? 😂
Thank you