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Would like so see one on more polarizing players tho (Ex: Butler/KAT/Russ/Jokic/Embiid) Steph has his critics but among stars has one of the highest approval ratings by NBA/Advanced Stat Twitter.
bomberbcm I swear sometimes the disrespect on kat irks me. I used to think he was soft, along with most people, but the guy is averaging crazy numbers (41% on 8 3pointers a game, which is ludicrous for anyone, let alone a center) and is shat on because his team is bad. I don’t see Devin booker nearly getting as much hate for being a good player on a bad team. Looking at kat from a purely numerical standpoint makes him look ridiculous
@@alexaisner4180 I look forward to seeing Kat and Booker on actual playoff contending teams next year. Im not sure about the Wolves just cuz of bench but I do think they are playoff locks in 2 years.
Alex Aisner I struggle with KAT bc while I do think he hasn’t been helped by the FO and with a Top 10-15 guy in Butler can be the 2nd best player on a competitive playoff team the fact his terrible team had a better record with him gone looks bad on him.
Steph is also a really really underrated rebounder for a guard. Remember this is a dude who averaged more rebounds in the finals than Tristan Thompson who primarily a rebound & energy guy who plays close to the basket. And no most of his rebounds weren't a good bounce either, he was just grabbing some.
But you have to take in consideration this: - more threes, more rebound away from basket that's why guards tend to have more rebounds these days - GSW's defense was great against Cavs' shootem up offense or LeBron's driving so more misses, more opportunity rebounds Btw. I'm not disagreeing with you, because it's true (Curry getting rebound over Howard under paint lolz) but you ALWAYS have to give context to every stat and story
@@StupakSH I already explained why the long bounce thing is not a problem for him because I can make that case for anyone but he's literally in position to grab contested rebounds too. U just brought up the dwight's thing, which I totally remember & laughed when I seen it.
It's because he's a strong player, one of his most underrated abilities. He uses his strength to box out bigger opponents helping him grab more rebounds than you would think he would be able to get
Casual fans assume that skinny players can’t set screens because they aren’t strong enough, but it’s simply not true. Curry is probably the best screener at his position in the league.
People also forget that Curry was averaging nearly 9 assists per game as a more traditional PG under Mark Jackson. Curry was always a good passer, his assists went down because the system had the ball in his hands less, not because he's selfish or a bad playmaker smh.
randomrocketsfan I used to set screens all the time as a small guard. People be mad cause they don’t think the screen would be that hard to get through. I got the brick wall hof tho, and I’m mad short. Lol
If curry is just a shooter, then Stockton was just a passer, Leonard is just a defender, mj is just a mid-ranger, LeBron is just a driver. That’s how stupid the “just a shooter” argument is
It was people like Rachel Nichols who don't even know anything about basketball that voted for iggy who couldn't even average 10ppg in that finals if curry wasnt double teamed all series..
@Minimal Interest He's averaging 27 PPG in the Finals to his career 23 PPG lmao? Smh dude. You can hate him but don't deny that KD benefited from Steph being doubled and tripled teamed, with BOTH KD and Klay on the floor in the Finals!! Against the Raptors he was being constantly doubled and they had to use a box and 1 to stop Steph rt? You can hate him but he's that guy which is why he's the 2nd best PG of all-time. BTW he was robbed of 1 and maybe 2 FMVP.
ImFrederic I don’t realize those Cavs teams played really good team basketball they were the favorites in many series. Like the Celtics series in ‘10. People forget that the Celtics were kinda seen as washed and that lebron was going to win that series.
Well looking back and I know it isn’t right but people will question whether or not you were the best player on your team on the biggest stage kinda like Detroit It(Thomas)
Saying Steph is "arguably" the best shooter ever almost feels insane at this point. How can he not be the definitive best when he can shoot off the dribble, from range, spot up, while being more efficient than every other contender?
Don Snow I just say “arguably” bcuz ppl aren’t ready to admit the fact that he’s the best simply bcuz he’s still out there playing. They think u have to be retired to be the best at something 🤦♂️
More often theres 1.5 guys defending curry as in one guy glued to him at all times and one guy paying more attention to curry then his man. The guy whose half defending his man is really only a defender once his assignment gets the ball
Klubstep 79 hes a C defender but people act as if he’s a F defender. The only argument is “he gets picked on”. Well yes when you have Iggy, Dray, Klay and Kd on the court at one time, your gonna decide to attack Steph cause the other options are some of the best defenders in the league.
The finals mvp is an overrated award because it doesn't take into account the other rounds of the playoffs and it doesn't take into account that multiple players are capable of having a great finals series on the same team
kookiemonstere3 444 it’s not as important because it’s turned into a “ok who got hot for 4-7 games” instead of who is actually the most valuable person on the winning team. It’s like a NCAA most outstanding performance award now.
@@meathead240 that's the point though. Imagine if lebron averaged a 40-pt triple double in the earlier rounds, but in the finals, he averaged only 25-8-8, while AD averaged 40-12 because of a matchup mismatch. AD would most certainly win finals mvp and he would get the credit once years have passed. Little would he remembered about the 30-pt triple double and how great a playoff run lebron hypothetically had because people only talk about who won the finals mvp.
@@jhdivina The Finals are much more important than the earlier rounds though. Like piling triple-doubles against the Pacers in the 1st round, they don't weigh as much as clutch performances in the Finals. And someone else other than the best player winning it is not wrong, James Worthy won it over Magic and it was fine because he really was the MVP of the Finals. If Curry is as good as you think he is, he'll win one eventually.
People are just pissed with Curry that he played a pivotal role in shifting offenses to the three-point line. Some people think that the game is worse now and they've pinned that almost entirely on Curry. For the record, I think the 90s game is more entertaining (post up, mid-range, occasional three-pointers, etc.), but things change. Don't hate Curry because he changed the game. Hate him because he's corny af (lmao kidding).
@Woops I have seen some chart which shows that three pointers skyrocketed after currys first mvp season. Nba definitely started taking more threes because of him.
@Woops when u see the games primarily shot both on paper and on court become the 3 ball and shot at a high volume in every game that's a shift. He's literally changed the game and how its taught & played & coached on every level.
@Woops the 2015 and 2016 Warriors Dominated the League with their 3 pointers and Fast Pace also Curry made a Really Deep 3 Point Shot an Acceptable Shot instead of something you but many Players take that Shot now even when it's not out of Necessity 2018 Rockets really just Took the Warriors Formula And Pushed it to an Extreme but the League Had Already Changed
Minimal Interest and kd played terribly in game 1 lebron dropped 51 on his head and shot 8 for 22 with 20 points but people brush that under the rug because he had a big game 3 a very good game while steph played terrible doesnt take away from his finals record of 3s and 36 in the closeout game
Greatest long distance shooter of All-time meaning 3pt shooter. But overall Greatest shooter or greatest clutch shooter... IMO Hell NO! I would prefer KD, Klay or Kyrie to take a clutch shot over Steph everyday of the week.
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Best overall point guard for the last 6/7 years straight. Will never get the appreciation since KD decided to show up and turn the Warriors into Offensive Living Cheat Codes. Amazing mechanics for a shooter, best deep shots of all time, great handles, great at steals in the passing lanes, amazing touch around the rim(lay ups) and a very good passer(especially no look passes). Anyways im sure people will hate on this but thats just how i feel.
Finals MVP goes to the most impactful player in the series. Different from the best player on the winning team. Iggy got the finals MVP for stepping up and giving the Warriors the boost that they needed against LeBron and role players while also noticeably lowering LeBron's field goal percentage. If it weren't for Iggy, LeBron would've cooked the Warriors, Steph included.
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thank u, i mean there were some more things u couldve dived into but still, appreciate the video man. really enjoying these "dumb critism" videos, even for players im no fan of cuz its so annoying to hear ppl bash players simply cuz they dont like them. so yeah, this is so damn refreshing and nice
Iggy absolutely deserved the 2015 FMVP. Iggy was the reason why the won the series. They were down 2-1before he was inserted into the starting lineup. He literally matched Curry's production in 2 of the last 3 games. Iggy matched Currys production and held Bron to 30+% in those games. He also hit multiple big shots. Could Curry have gotten that FMVP yes, but Iggy deserved. Iggy is primary reason they won that series.
His spacing, not to mention off-ball movement and back screens, creates MANY open looks. He allows other players to take assist credit by making an idle pass to an open man, who has so much space because of curry
Iggy earned that Finals MVP, don't take that away from him. He was definitely the most impactful Warriors player, even though he didn't score as much as Curry.
That’s just not true lol. He was a great role player who stepped up but at no point was he the most valuable player on the court. He did his job. They lose that game in a sweep if curry isn’t on the court. That’s value. You swap Iggy with another 3&D vet and it’s still extremely likely they win. Steph’s the engine. You don’t give Jason Terry finals mvp because he had a great finals, you give it to dirk who’s worst series was probably the finals that year but he’s their most valuable player period. This is coming from a huge Iggy fan, he’s come up clutch in every finals they’ve played in even in the losses he always has one or two games where he gets a game winning strip or hits a big 3 but he has never once been the most valuable player on the court for the warriors. It’s always steph. That ball movement system means nothing without the greatest shooter of all time crossing half court and being a threat
ProcardcollecterAndGamer take away game 2 and curry averaged 27.4/5.0/6.8 and 2.2 steals on 49.5/46/89 shooting splits. That’s literally one of the greatest finals performances of all time
I'll be honest as someone who is much newer to basketball a lot of the content on this channel has been really helpful and even on the outside hearing these criticisms its nice to hear and see how these players actually play. Wonderful series, Can't wait for more.
Imagine winning 2 MVPs (The only unanimous MVP) 3 time Champion Greatest Shooter of all time And the Engine of the greatest of Team of all Time And the Revolutionary in the New Era of Basketball Just for Old heads to put you in the top 25 All time and Put Steven Nash, John Stockton, Cp3 and Kidd over you. Please tell me how this Makes sense Steph is a Top 15 Player All Time
I agree Curry is criticized for stupid reasons but imo Igoudala did deserve FMVP in that series. I think it says more about FMVP not always being that important to someone's legacy than claiming it should be taken away from Igoudala. He probably had the greatest impact on their performance in that finals and a lot of the numbers show it. Simply giving FMVP to the person who scores the most on a team doesn't make a lot of sense. There are other stats to consider and from that perspective and from the eye test I think he deserved it.
Thank you so much for enlightening 45k people on this topic. I'm sure most people agree with what you said, but social media loves to go at stars, especially Steph, when they have a slight blemish on their career resume.
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Steph did not deserve finals MVP. Lebron shot over 60 percent when guarded by every player except Iggy, where lebron shot under 30 percent. The cavs could have won if not for Iggy’s defense. He made that much of a difference. You just don’t value defense as much.
The 'gravity' observation is a good one. In his comeback from injury game against Toronto this year, he attracted double teams everywhere he went, and the rest of the team suddenly looked like they could compete in the NBA again. It was amazing to see what a little bit of space gave them.
As a Rockets fan I obviously have a deep hatred for the Warriors, but I still have a ton of respect for Steph. He carried the Warriors from mediocrity to possibly the greatest dynasty the NBA has ever seen. Anyone who says he isn’t a great player has the mental capacity of an empty water bottle.
Curry could average 11 assists a game if he wanted to, key if he wanted to his spacing alone creates “assists” like you mentioned in the video. And like you said in your John Stockton video guys who ball stop and create almost everything for an offense usually don’t win (minus Magic and to an extent Isiah). Great video 110% do more of these, so many guys get crazy flak for little to no reason it’s insane.
Love this series, only thing is though, there's a pretty solid argument for Steph being the 3rd best PG ever instead of 2nd. Magic is obviously first, but there's a strong argument to be made for Oscar Robertson being the second best and Steph being third. A lot of people have Oscar ranked 10th-13th of all-time. That's around where Steph is.
May you do a “criticisms of Kobe Bryant” next? All the new age fans need to understand the unfair criticisms against Kobe the league and fans of other teams and players had against him that were both true and untrue.
Dude, love your content and love this series! Obviously there will be points that we wouldn't always agree on, but that's apart of life. Keep it up 👍🏿💯
Great video my MAN! This must be a series. keep it up! I've been watching you for a long time and you might be my favorite bball youtuber! 100k subs coming soon! ;) Thanks for your hard work
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I watched that 2015 finals again and I can see why they gave it to Iggy. Iggy Gravity was really heavy.
Curry has been my favorite player since Davidson and he has always proved doubters wrong. Has even turned doubters into fans. Steph Curry still has a chance to get more championships or a finals mvp before the end of his career and I believe he will. He still has a lot of time
Facts. Just because he doesn't have one yet, people all of a sudden want to diminish the value of FMVP. If Curry is as good as people think he is, he'll get one eventually.
In 20-30 years, when there are people who weren’t alive to watch Curry play live, they’ll just look at his stats, and see no fmvp. Maybe now when night in night out we see him carry the Warriors it’s nbd, but in the future I think till def be an asterisk on his legacy
I was about to wuestion why you said prime curry was on par with prime kobe, then you started talking about his off ball capabilities and i do understand that claim now. Make this a series bruhh 💯
Probably the dumbest--but somehow pervasive criticisms--I've heard of Curry was people getting triggered over how he screamed "I'm back" after winning game 4 vs the Blazers in 2016 in his first game back from injury. People feigned outrage over how it was "unsportsmanlike like conduct" and/or as proof that he was 100% recovered from the MCL injury.
People forget about the Curry & Draymond short pick and roll when it comes to his play making. It was the most simple yet devastating move I have ever seen. They would always double curry, he would make the pass to Green and somebody would have to rotate over to Green and he would dish it to one of their shooters or bogut for the oop. Honestly never saw a play run so many times and almost never be stopped.
Steph Curry at his peak was on par with Kobe how? Steph Curry is a fantastic offensive player and average defender while Kobe is elite at both . Edit: Also I havent seen a single Kobe stan go after Curry on this. If anything Curry is in the same position as Kobe. A top tier player who was unfortunately out shined by a more dominant teammate
Crow Mythic Curry at his peak was averaging 30 ppg on 50-40-90 shooting, lead the league in scoring and steals. That was his MVP season, although Kobe is ahead in his own peak, Curry is quite close.
@Caption This I agree but you really can't blame Curry for that. The league these days is STACKED, there's literally too many talented players today. Its hard to be the best when you have LeBron never coming out of his prime, Kawhi going god mode in Toronto, KD being the best scorer ever, Giannis eating defenders, James Harden scoring almost 40ppg, Russel Westbrook averaging a triple double for 3 years and so on. Not to mention new superstars every fucking year like Jason Tatum, Ja Morant, Trae Young, Luka Doncic and of course Prince Zion. Its just too hard to be the clear best player unless you're King James.
Nice take, nice idea about the series. I totally agree with your arguments, however there are couple of things that Steph shall be criticized for - he is easily losing his cool when thing go wrong, quick examples - Finals vs Cavs which GSW lost and Conference finals vs Rockets, which they almost lost. Also, CP3 kicked his prime ass while being 33 years old himself. I love Steph, I am picking him as my starting PG when I name all time perfect team, but those things shall be taken into consideration.
Innate human defect. People Bring down someone who's amazing because they're not on their team/they're better than who ever they're rooting for OR they're just a bitter person who wants to bring down greatness.
Casuals who doesn't watch basketball games properly or just basically don't understand the game lol. Let's say Steph drive to the basket drawing a second defender to him, then he passed the ball to an open Iguodala or Green but was immediately closed out. So then passed the ball to a more open KD or Klay, the assist goes to Iggy or Green but were they really the one who made it possible for Klay or KD to be open? Uggghh hE hAs mOre aSsisT sir so he better playmaker dur dur
Didn't Curry average way more assists when the Warriors weren't playing their ball movement heavy offense, one year? Also: Does being one of the best finishers at the rim contribute to the "just a shooter" argument or negate it?
Currys first ring was against a Cavs team with kevin love out the entire finals series and kryie only played one game in that series due to injury. The next year both teams were completely healthy in the finals and warriors lost. Next 2 years was the KD warriors which was a super duper team and they could only lose due to injury or losing on purpose. Curry is a great player but overrated slightly
Lebron has won 3 rings. 2 of which were with the Heat where they were a super duper team. The other one was with Kyrie (the artist with arguably best handles ever) and Kevin Love whom when they were together the media were saying was "the next big 3". Then GSW lost Bogut and Looney which pretty much ripped their defence which then became no defence when Draymond got suspended. If you nitpick hard enough every superstar's legacy is a little cracked
Nobody guarded iguodala all series. Even Kendrick Perkins said Cavs strategy was to leave iguodala open because nobody thought he could hit those shots.
Steph didn't deserve the finals mvp but that doesn't mean that he is a bad player, Kobe didn't won FMVP while playing on the first three peart Lakers but he still is one of the greatest (are different situations), Isiah Thomas didn't win FMVP in 1990 over joe dumars, but he still was the best player in that team. FMVP is how you performed in the finals, and has a lot to do on how much did you improved or decreased your game. Undoubtedly curry was the best player in the warriors in 2015, and in 2017/2018 wasn't the best but the most valuable arguably. Curry already prove being great in other circumstances.
i thought curry should have been finals mvp in 15 and 18. in 18 i think played better than kd in games 1 2 and 4. i agree with you on curry being a great playmaker. i think larry bird was a better shooter than curry. the 3 ball was just not the thing when he played.
He avrgd 9 assists in 2017 finals averaged 8.7 i. 2013 before steve kerr before ball movement lebron averages 7.5 assist for carrer steph 6.6 so he is good
Another thing is so many ppl give him shit for his size and de Aaron fox even went on a podcast with Colin cowherd he said steph is actually one of the bigger (in terms of muscle) point guards in the league
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Damn I am so glad you made this video. There is no reason for hating Curry, absolutely no reason, he isn't even controversial. Steph Curry is also the greatest FORCE in NBA history, he bends defenses by just running around...makes 90%freethrows so you can't touch him...most valuable player of all time, no wonder he was the only Unanimous MVP.
I think some people hate curry because he’s the first unanimous mvp when they feel a handful of players should have had one before them when they probably should or could have.
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I don’t like him but do defending Paul Pierce.
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Would like so see one on more polarizing players tho (Ex: Butler/KAT/Russ/Jokic/Embiid) Steph has his critics but among stars has one of the highest approval ratings by NBA/Advanced Stat Twitter.
bomberbcm I swear sometimes the disrespect on kat irks me. I used to think he was soft, along with most people, but the guy is averaging crazy numbers (41% on 8 3pointers a game, which is ludicrous for anyone, let alone a center) and is shat on because his team is bad. I don’t see Devin booker nearly getting as much hate for being a good player on a bad team. Looking at kat from a purely numerical standpoint makes him look ridiculous
@@alexaisner4180 I look forward to seeing Kat and Booker on actual playoff contending teams next year. Im not sure about the Wolves just cuz of bench but I do think they are playoff locks in 2 years.
DANtheMANofSIPA def next year cause that Kat and dlo duo is gonna be crazy.
Alex Aisner I struggle with KAT bc while I do think he hasn’t been helped by the FO and with a Top 10-15 guy in Butler can be the 2nd best player on a competitive playoff team the fact his terrible team had a better record with him gone looks bad on him.
this guy spits facts upon facts
when he gets a finals mvp its gonna be "1 fmvp in 6 finals" you'll just never win with these guys
Never forget Kobe was also 0/5 in FMVP throughout is first five Finals. Afterwards, he finally shut some mouths.
Steph is also a really really underrated rebounder for a guard. Remember this is a dude who averaged more rebounds in the finals than Tristan Thompson who primarily a rebound & energy guy who plays close to the basket. And no most of his rebounds weren't a good bounce either, he was just grabbing some.
But you have to take in consideration this:
- more threes, more rebound away from basket that's why guards tend to have more rebounds these days
- GSW's defense was great against Cavs' shootem up offense or LeBron's driving so more misses, more opportunity rebounds
Btw. I'm not disagreeing with you, because it's true (Curry getting rebound over Howard under paint lolz) but you ALWAYS have to give context to every stat and story
@@StupakSH I still remember when steph boxed out dwight howard for an offensive rebound in the playoffs... I'm sold on currys underrated rebounding
@@jadenstevens6673 that was the beginning of the end for Howard
@@StupakSH I already explained why the long bounce thing is not a problem for him because I can make that case for anyone but he's literally in position to grab contested rebounds too. U just brought up the dwight's thing, which I totally remember & laughed when I seen it.
It's because he's a strong player, one of his most underrated abilities. He uses his strength to box out bigger opponents helping him grab more rebounds than you would think he would be able to get
You really should make a mini series outta this, there is so many stupid hate on superstar players
Could also reverse and talk about things that players get wrong praise for
H4rsh Turtle yes,YES
@@h4rshturtle456 LeBron in top of that list
Not to mention his off ball movement and screen setting , his screens are really underated.
Casual fans assume that skinny players can’t set screens because they aren’t strong enough, but it’s simply not true. Curry is probably the best screener at his position in the league.
People also forget that Curry was averaging nearly 9 assists per game as a more traditional PG under Mark Jackson. Curry was always a good passer, his assists went down because the system had the ball in his hands less, not because he's selfish or a bad playmaker smh.
randomrocketsfan I used to set screens all the time as a small guard. People be mad cause they don’t think the screen would be that hard to get through. I got the brick wall hof tho, and I’m mad short. Lol
shepardice p they should make a new stat for the amount of open looks get gets guys simply from moving.
@@uncledru7523 everything's a stat they prob already got that
If curry is just a shooter, then Stockton was just a passer, Leonard is just a defender, mj is just a mid-ranger, LeBron is just a driver. That’s how stupid the “just a shooter” argument is
Da'Von Smith aye nice argument, i will took that from u
@@user-se7td9be6o me too lol
Fmvp is proof that accolades need context
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@Minimal Interest that's literally the only bad finals steph has. So to say hes not that guy in the finals . Shows ignorance.
And he should've won 2015. It was just stupid media narrative.
It was people like Rachel Nichols who don't even know anything about basketball that voted for iggy who couldn't even average 10ppg in that finals if curry wasnt double teamed all series..
@Minimal Interest He's averaging 27 PPG in the Finals to his career 23 PPG lmao? Smh dude. You can hate him but don't deny that KD benefited from Steph being doubled and tripled teamed, with BOTH KD and Klay on the floor in the Finals!! Against the Raptors he was being constantly doubled and they had to use a box and 1 to stop Steph rt? You can hate him but he's that guy which is why he's the 2nd best PG of all-time. BTW he was robbed of 1 and maybe 2 FMVP.
Please do “the many Dumb criticisms of Kobe Bryant”
Anyone who criticizes kobe for 05-07 is slow
@@drehitemup9904 I mean those same people criticize Lebron for 2003-2010
I 2nd 3rd and 4th this. Or whatever number we're on lol
@Minimal Interest Their second best guy was Zydrunas Ilgauskas
ImFrederic I don’t realize those Cavs teams played really good team basketball they were the favorites in many series. Like the Celtics series in ‘10. People forget that the Celtics were kinda seen as washed and that lebron was going to win that series.
If the most significant slight against your career is the lack of a finals mvp you must be doing pretty good
you have a great team...
Well looking back and I know it isn’t right but people will question whether or not you were the best player on your team on the biggest stage kinda like Detroit It(Thomas)
He was playing on the beat TEAM at the time he’s a great player but people rank him way higher than he should be because he played on a superteam
Or his lack of defense...
Champagne Toon being on a good team doesn’t make him any less of a great player though
"Those guys ceiling is Steph Curry's floor"
Perfect way of describing how absurd his shooting is
Saying Steph is "arguably" the best shooter ever almost feels insane at this point. How can he not be the definitive best when he can shoot off the dribble, from range, spot up, while being more efficient than every other contender?
@@donsnow8039 very well said
Don Snow I just say “arguably” bcuz ppl aren’t ready to admit the fact that he’s the best simply bcuz he’s still out there playing. They think u have to be retired to be the best at something 🤦♂️
@@joaquin4497 They say that because they love to hate on curry and not give him credit for anything and I'm not even a curry fan.
It's crazy how defenses would leave someone like Klay and or KD just to double and triple Steph💀
More often theres 1.5 guys defending curry as in one guy glued to him at all times and one guy paying more attention to curry then his man. The guy whose half defending his man is really only a defender once his assignment gets the ball
ive always hated the just “a shooter” argument around curry tbh
Especially when he’s actually an amazing acrobatic finisher at the rim
Also a kinda average defender, not terrible like my friends think
Klubstep 79 his on ball defence is below average but his off ball defence and team defence is very good
Klubstep 79 hes a C defender but people act as if he’s a F defender. The only argument is “he gets picked on”. Well yes when you have Iggy, Dray, Klay and Kd on the court at one time, your gonna decide to attack Steph cause the other options are some of the best defenders in the league.
And he has crazy handles and vision
The finals mvp is an overrated award because it doesn't take into account the other rounds of the playoffs and it doesn't take into account that multiple players are capable of having a great finals series on the same team
@Minimal Interest what gets overrated is the significance of that award
Giant L it only became significant when it was the only criticism of curry
kookiemonstere3 444 it’s not as important because it’s turned into a “ok who got hot for 4-7 games” instead of who is actually the most valuable person on the winning team. It’s like a NCAA most outstanding performance award now.
@@meathead240 that's the point though. Imagine if lebron averaged a 40-pt triple double in the earlier rounds, but in the finals, he averaged only 25-8-8, while AD averaged 40-12 because of a matchup mismatch. AD would most certainly win finals mvp and he would get the credit once years have passed. Little would he remembered about the 30-pt triple double and how great a playoff run lebron hypothetically had because people only talk about who won the finals mvp.
@@jhdivina The Finals are much more important than the earlier rounds though. Like piling triple-doubles against the Pacers in the 1st round, they don't weigh as much as clutch performances in the Finals. And someone else other than the best player winning it is not wrong, James Worthy won it over Magic and it was fine because he really was the MVP of the Finals. If Curry is as good as you think he is, he'll win one eventually.
People are just pissed with Curry that he played a pivotal role in shifting offenses to the three-point line. Some people think that the game is worse now and they've pinned that almost entirely on Curry. For the record, I think the 90s game is more entertaining (post up, mid-range, occasional three-pointers, etc.), but things change. Don't hate Curry because he changed the game. Hate him because he's corny af (lmao kidding).
Woops very disappointing people see my rockets and say “0-27” we gotta get the chip so they can blowover lmao
@Woops he's not an anomaly because he's forced everyone to get to his level hitting every 3 pointer from real deep
@Woops I have seen some chart which shows that three pointers skyrocketed after currys first mvp season. Nba definitely started taking more threes because of him.
@Woops when u see the games primarily shot both on paper and on court become the 3 ball and shot at a high volume in every game that's a shift. He's literally changed the game and how its taught & played & coached on every level.
@Woops the 2015 and 2016 Warriors Dominated the League with their 3 pointers and Fast Pace also Curry made a Really Deep 3 Point Shot an Acceptable Shot instead of something you but many Players take that Shot now even when it's not out of Necessity
2018 Rockets really just Took the Warriors Formula And Pushed it to an Extreme but the League Had Already Changed
I haven't seen someone spitting' this much facts in a 12 minutes video for a while, props to you dude, you MUST make this a series
Steph is the greatest shooter of all time and many people realize that but a lot of people don't realize hes one of the greatest teammate of all time
he is... the only player that matters... th-cam.com/video/7axmul-Xlkc/w-d-xo.html
Minimal Interest and kd played terribly in game 1 lebron dropped 51 on his head and shot 8 for 22 with 20 points but people brush that under the rug because he had a big game 3 a very good game while steph played terrible doesnt take away from his finals record of 3s and 36 in the closeout game
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Greatest long distance shooter of All-time meaning 3pt shooter. But overall Greatest shooter or greatest clutch shooter... IMO Hell NO! I would prefer KD, Klay or Kyrie to take a clutch shot over Steph everyday of the week.
@BIGmonkeys 23 why?
For me, you've officially passed Jxmy as my favorite basketball youtuber. The consistency, knowledge and high quantity and quality in your videos is unmatched. I've been watching since your first vid I think it was (the Kawhi Leonard one with your awful mic lol) and I've been agreeing with your takes 95% of the time. We really think alike. Keep it up fam, you're well on your own way to greatness.
@yum yum I think jxmy better is too but they both make good content
i personally think jxmmy is a bit better but rusty is way more consistent
Best overall point guard for the last 6/7 years straight. Will never get the appreciation since KD decided to show up and turn the Warriors into Offensive Living Cheat Codes. Amazing mechanics for a shooter, best deep shots of all time, great handles, great at steals in the passing lanes, amazing touch around the rim(lay ups) and a very good passer(especially no look passes). Anyways im sure people will hate on this but thats just how i feel.
Finals MVP goes to the most impactful player in the series. Different from the best player on the winning team. Iggy got the finals MVP for stepping up and giving the Warriors the boost that they needed against LeBron and role players while also noticeably lowering LeBron's field goal percentage. If it weren't for Iggy, LeBron would've cooked the Warriors, Steph included.
Make this a series!
Saying that Iguodala should win FMVP over Curry is like saying Vanvleet should have won FMVP over Kawhi
Man should have 1 mil
Fr Fr no cap these Jawns regardless of opinion holding me down cuz
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If he was a bron fan with this content the 2mil definitely. There are many curry haters
No he should have like 30 mil
I think the best part about this channel is that Rusty has personality. Many nba youtubers make videos about intriguing topics but they themselves are not intriguing to listen to. With rusty it just feels more like one of the homies and I having a barbershop conversation about hoops. Rusty is really entertaining. I Hope you reach your goal by the end of the year!
Look at Curry man, Look at Rusty man
You should do one of these vids on Westbrook. I’m a huge Russ critic but even I can admit sometimes the guy receives some unnecessary hate.
thank u, i mean there were some more things u couldve dived into but still, appreciate the video man.
really enjoying these "dumb critism" videos, even for players im no fan of cuz its so annoying to hear ppl bash players simply cuz they dont like them. so yeah, this is so damn refreshing and nice
As someone who use to be kinda a curry hater tbh, I’ve grown to become a fan and really appreciate an all time great while we can still watch him
True i hated him in 2016 but after durant joined them i realized he kind of robbed us of curry's greatness
Iggy absolutely deserved the 2015 FMVP. Iggy was the reason why the won the series. They were down 2-1before he was inserted into the starting lineup. He literally matched Curry's production in 2 of the last 3 games. Iggy matched Currys production and held Bron to 30+% in those games. He also hit multiple big shots. Could Curry have gotten that FMVP yes, but Iggy deserved. Iggy is primary reason they won that series.
His spacing, not to mention off-ball movement and back screens, creates MANY open looks. He allows other players to take assist credit by making an idle pass to an open man, who has so much space because of curry
Iggy earned that Finals MVP, don't take that away from him. He was definitely the most impactful Warriors player, even though he didn't score as much as Curry.
That’s just not true lol. He was a great role player who stepped up but at no point was he the most valuable player on the court. He did his job. They lose that game in a sweep if curry isn’t on the court. That’s value. You swap Iggy with another 3&D vet and it’s still extremely likely they win. Steph’s the engine. You don’t give Jason Terry finals mvp because he had a great finals, you give it to dirk who’s worst series was probably the finals that year but he’s their most valuable player period. This is coming from a huge Iggy fan, he’s come up clutch in every finals they’ve played in even in the losses he always has one or two games where he gets a game winning strip or hits a big 3 but he has never once been the most valuable player on the court for the warriors. It’s always steph. That ball movement system means nothing without the greatest shooter of all time crossing half court and being a threat
Uncle Dru curry got clamped by an McDonald’s employee
ProcardcollecterAndGamer take away game 2 and curry averaged 27.4/5.0/6.8 and 2.2 steals on 49.5/46/89 shooting splits. That’s literally one of the greatest finals performances of all time
No he didn’t. That should have either gone to Steph or LeBron. I don’t think you watched the whole series.
the quality of video deserves 2m subscriber
yung mustard literally just did this lol
He was probably already working on the video yk rusty a lil slow😭
Rusty > Yung Mustard
I'll be honest as someone who is much newer to basketball a lot of the content on this channel has been really helpful and even on the outside hearing these criticisms its nice to hear and see how these players actually play. Wonderful series, Can't wait for more.
Imagine winning
2 MVPs (The only unanimous MVP)
3 time Champion
Greatest Shooter of all time
And the Engine of the greatest of Team of all Time
And the Revolutionary in the New Era of Basketball
Just for Old heads to put you in the top 25 All time and Put Steven Nash, John Stockton, Cp3 and Kidd over you.
Please tell me how this Makes sense
Steph is a Top 15 Player All Time
@Minimal Interest he is one of 10 players who has multiple MVPs and multiple championships so he must be at least top 15
@Minimal Interest you got kawhi over curry in an all-time list? You trippin
Steph is one of the most Underrated figures in NBA History because he had one bad series and never won a Finals MVP.
It's so Disrespectful 😤
@Minimal Interest he is underrated by so many fans
Minimal Interest why u hate guard so damm much u gonna harden now curry like they not make u lives in your basement
Curry is one of the best playmakers in nba history. And a underrated rebounder
I agree Curry is criticized for stupid reasons but imo Igoudala did deserve FMVP in that series. I think it says more about FMVP not always being that important to someone's legacy than claiming it should be taken away from Igoudala. He probably had the greatest impact on their performance in that finals and a lot of the numbers show it. Simply giving FMVP to the person who scores the most on a team doesn't make a lot of sense. There are other stats to consider and from that perspective and from the eye test I think he deserved it.
Thank you so much for enlightening 45k people on this topic. I'm sure most people agree with what you said, but social media loves to go at stars, especially Steph, when they have a slight blemish on their career resume.
yo here are suggestions: durant, Harden, kobe, MJ, giannis, Kawhi, Russel westbrook, Tim duncan, Paul pierce, Tmac, lillard, paul george, derozan, shaq, dwight, Blake, draymond, and chris paul
We badly need a Draymond Green version of this content.
Kobe fan here. Your point about finals mvp was on point. Great vid
Steph did not deserve finals MVP. Lebron shot over 60 percent when guarded by every player except Iggy, where lebron shot under 30 percent. The cavs could have won if not for Iggy’s defense. He made that much of a difference. You just don’t value defense as much.
Make it a series. Really enjoy these videos.
The fact that there aren’t any “look at curry man” comments is wild
The 'gravity' observation is a good one.
In his comeback from injury game against Toronto this year, he attracted double teams everywhere he went, and the rest of the team suddenly looked like they could compete in the NBA again. It was amazing to see what a little bit of space gave them.
Bruh ya videos really clutch and you consistent
As a Rockets fan I obviously have a deep hatred for the Warriors, but I still have a ton of respect for Steph. He carried the Warriors from mediocrity to possibly the greatest dynasty the NBA has ever seen. Anyone who says he isn’t a great player has the mental capacity of an empty water bottle.
Curry could average 11 assists a game if he wanted to, key if he wanted to his spacing alone creates “assists” like you mentioned in the video. And like you said in your John Stockton video guys who ball stop and create almost everything for an offense usually don’t win (minus Magic and to an extent Isiah). Great video 110% do more of these, so many guys get crazy flak for little to no reason it’s insane.
Im waiting for a video for KD or MJ, great video
Love this series, only thing is though, there's a pretty solid argument for Steph being the 3rd best PG ever instead of 2nd. Magic is obviously first, but there's a strong argument to be made for Oscar Robertson being the second best and Steph being third. A lot of people have Oscar ranked 10th-13th of all-time. That's around where Steph is.
This absolutely should be a series. And you are 100% on point with this.
Awesome video, this should definitely be a series!
May you do a “criticisms of Kobe Bryant” next? All the new age fans need to understand the unfair criticisms against Kobe the league and fans of other teams and players had against him that were both true and untrue.
I feel you Kobe gets some unwarranted criticism but then at the same time I hate hearing the Kobe fans who say he deserved mvp in 05 and 06
Dude, love your content and love this series! Obviously there will be points that we wouldn't always agree on, but that's apart of life. Keep it up 👍🏿💯
Great video my MAN! This must be a series. keep it up! I've been watching you for a long time and you might be my favorite bball youtuber! 100k subs coming soon! ;)
Thanks for your hard work
I watched that 2015 finals again and I can see why they gave it to Iggy. Iggy Gravity was really heavy.
Curry has been my favorite player since Davidson and he has always proved doubters wrong. Has even turned doubters into fans. Steph Curry still has a chance to get more championships or a finals mvp before the end of his career and I believe he will. He still has a lot of time
Facts. Just because he doesn't have one yet, people all of a sudden want to diminish the value of FMVP. If Curry is as good as people think he is, he'll get one eventually.
You should do this for all the superstars
In 20-30 years, when there are people who weren’t alive to watch Curry play live, they’ll just look at his stats, and see no fmvp.
Maybe now when night in night out we see him carry the Warriors it’s nbd, but in the future I think till def be an asterisk on his legacy
Maybe if he was gonna be in the GOAT convo... But no one is making that case.
I was about to wuestion why you said prime curry was on par with prime kobe, then you started talking about his off ball capabilities and i do understand that claim now. Make this a series bruhh 💯
Probably the dumbest--but somehow pervasive criticisms--I've heard of Curry was people getting triggered over how he screamed "I'm back" after winning game 4 vs the Blazers in 2016 in his first game back from injury. People feigned outrage over how it was "unsportsmanlike like conduct" and/or as proof that he was 100% recovered from the MCL injury.
Nail on the head. It was a moment of hype, yet Bron can motion for ppl to bow to him and motion them as being under him and it's all fine.
Is stepping up is the deciding factor for finals MVP then Robert Horry should have had 7 finals MVPs
Ikr
pls do one for russ hes doing really well on the rockets
People forget about the Curry & Draymond short pick and roll when it comes to his play making. It was the most simple yet devastating move I have ever seen. They would always double curry, he would make the pass to Green and somebody would have to rotate over to Green and he would dish it to one of their shooters or bogut for the oop.
Honestly never saw a play run so many times and almost never be stopped.
One of your best videos I've seen
Great content dude!!! Continue with this, so entertaining
SERIES! Great stuff 👌🏼
You're the only NBA youtube channel with consistent uploads,so thanks.
pls continue this series bro
Steph Curry at his peak was on par with Kobe how? Steph Curry is a fantastic offensive player and average defender while Kobe is elite at both
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Edit: Also I havent seen a single Kobe stan go after Curry on this. If anything Curry is in the same position as Kobe. A top tier player who was unfortunately out shined by a more dominant teammate
That is the only thing I didn't agree whith Rusty, Kobe was Elite in the two sides of the court.
Crow Mythic Curry at his peak was averaging 30 ppg on 50-40-90 shooting, lead the league in scoring and steals. That was his MVP season, although Kobe is ahead in his own peak, Curry is quite close.
When Klay is hot, there is a comparison with Kobe but not Steph.
@Caption This I agree but you really can't blame Curry for that. The league these days is STACKED, there's literally too many talented players today. Its hard to be the best when you have LeBron never coming out of his prime, Kawhi going god mode in Toronto, KD being the best scorer ever, Giannis eating defenders, James Harden scoring almost 40ppg, Russel Westbrook averaging a triple double for 3 years and so on. Not to mention new superstars every fucking year like Jason Tatum, Ja Morant, Trae Young, Luka Doncic and of course Prince Zion. Its just too hard to be the clear best player unless you're King James.
Kobe was a good defender but was more of a gambler than an outright lockdown defender. That's Phil Jackson's criticism of him, not mine.
Definitely should be a series
His defense also kind of gets crapped on too much, his off ball defense is actually pretty good
People love to look at steals per game but as soon as you talk about Curry’s spg, steals don’t matter
great vid, just a suggestion, maybe do one on draymond to clear up the misconceptions on him
Are you sure kobe fans are the ones mocking currys lack of finals mvps because I haven't seen it often enough to where it's a trend
Nice take, nice idea about the series. I totally agree with your arguments, however there are couple of things that Steph shall be criticized for - he is easily losing his cool when thing go wrong, quick examples - Finals vs Cavs which GSW lost and Conference finals vs Rockets, which they almost lost. Also, CP3 kicked his prime ass while being 33 years old himself. I love Steph, I am picking him as my starting PG when I name all time perfect team, but those things shall be taken into consideration.
People love hating and i will never understand why. Good video though.
Innate human defect. People Bring down someone who's amazing because they're not on their team/they're better than who ever they're rooting for OR they're just a bitter person who wants to bring down greatness.
Yes please make this a series
Salute to Rusty for always being on the grind during quarantine
Rusty you're underrated no cap
Couldn't have debunked these criticisms better myself as a Steph/Warriors fan
When are we getting a new hawks my gm video?
Casuals who doesn't watch basketball games properly or just basically don't understand the game lol. Let's say Steph drive to the basket drawing a second defender to him, then he passed the ball to an open Iguodala or Green but was immediately closed out. So then passed the ball to a more open KD or Klay, the assist goes to Iggy or Green but were they really the one who made it possible for Klay or KD to be open? Uggghh hE hAs mOre aSsisT sir so he better playmaker dur dur
Didn't Curry average way more assists when the Warriors weren't playing their ball movement heavy offense, one year? Also: Does being one of the best finishers at the rim contribute to the "just a shooter" argument or negate it?
Currys first ring was against a Cavs team with kevin love out the entire finals series and kryie only played one game in that series due to injury. The next year both teams were completely healthy in the finals and warriors lost. Next 2 years was the KD warriors which was a super duper team and they could only lose due to injury or losing on purpose. Curry is a great player but overrated slightly
Lebron has won 3 rings. 2 of which were with the Heat where they were a super duper team. The other one was with Kyrie (the artist with arguably best handles ever) and Kevin Love whom when they were together the media were saying was "the next big 3". Then GSW lost Bogut and Looney which pretty much ripped their defence which then became no defence when Draymond got suspended.
If you nitpick hard enough every superstar's legacy is a little cracked
You lost me at both teams being completely healthy in 2016. That's so bullshit I'm sure you had trouble typing it out.
Nobody guarded iguodala all series. Even Kendrick Perkins said Cavs strategy was to leave iguodala open because nobody thought he could hit those shots.
Good series, but do one on McGee🤯
Steph didn't deserve the finals mvp but that doesn't mean that he is a bad player, Kobe didn't won FMVP while playing on the first three peart Lakers but he still is one of the greatest (are different situations), Isiah Thomas didn't win FMVP in 1990 over joe dumars, but he still was the best player in that team. FMVP is how you performed in the finals, and has a lot to do on how much did you improved or decreased your game. Undoubtedly curry was the best player in the warriors in 2015, and in 2017/2018 wasn't the best but the most valuable arguably. Curry already prove being great in other circumstances.
Rusty is honestly one of my favorite youtubers
Defense is apart of the game too. Huge curry fan and kobe fan but you're not accounting for defense
This would be a lit series!
This series is gonna be 🔥
Me* Has a different opinion than Rusty
Me* That’s okay he has his own opinion
Assists a pg averages is mostly a product of the system they're in
Speak to them
i thought curry should have been finals mvp in 15 and 18. in 18 i think played better than kd in games 1 2 and 4. i agree with you on curry being a great playmaker. i think larry bird was a better shooter than curry. the 3 ball was just not the thing when he played.
Dammm bro can’t stop watchin your videos you keep that shit 100
He avrgd 9 assists in 2017 finals averaged 8.7 i. 2013 before steve kerr before ball movement lebron averages 7.5 assist for carrer steph 6.6 so he is good
Another thing is so many ppl give him shit for his size and de Aaron fox even went on a podcast with Colin cowherd he said steph is actually one of the bigger (in terms of muscle) point guards in the league
Yo can we pls get my mans 100k subs he’s better than the majority of the nba community not throwing any shade I just think his content is super well put together and gets to the point w out dilly dallying
Damn I am so glad you made this video. There is no reason for hating Curry, absolutely no reason, he isn't even controversial.
Steph Curry is also the greatest FORCE in NBA history, he bends defenses by just running around...makes 90%freethrows so you can't touch him...most valuable player of all time, no wonder he was the only Unanimous MVP.
I think some people hate curry because he’s the first unanimous mvp when they feel a handful of players should have had one before them when they probably should or could have.