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Kobes peak fg% isnt 45.5% he has multiple seasons above 46% peaking at i believe 46.9%. And i get why you made your players list the way it is but its kinda inappropriate considering half of them are Centers. It would be better if you compared Kobe to All Time Great Shooting guards to better paint the point and compared him to players like D Wade, MJ, AI, Harden, Clyde Drexler so on and so forth. Side note: how is Shaqs career FG% higher than his Peak fg%
umar b he was also fucking injured but I guess you forgot that. And in game 4 he also had a game winner when shaq fouled out but I guess you forgot that as well.
umar b You must be young and not realize that Kobe was intentionally injured aim game two, only playing like five minutes that game. He missed game three and played the rest of the series with a very badly sprained ankle.
@@joshbranch6981 role players can have some favorable match up or get on some hot streak and win FMVP that's why I've always put more stock in the regular season mvp because it's 82 games long not 4-7 and you're competing with the other best players in the world for it
@@joshbranch6981 ummm no he didnt lol Iggy won Finals MVP Max never said he was the best in the World and while KD was winning Finals MVPs he said Kawhi was the Best in the World. What Max did do is use the Finals MVPs to minimize Steph Curry's effect on the team.
Kobe also played in arguably the toughest western conference ever. That explains some of the lower efficiency. That also doesn’t get talked about enough in terms of supporting his all time ranking. It makes his achievements that much more impressive
People trash Kobe's fg% forgetting that he had played 3 years after an achilles rupture and a number of other injuries which caused him to shoot bad when he was obviously out of his prime
his efficiency was bad before he got hurt. if you go look at the numbers you will find that for all his hype he was never and i mean never the best player in the league. they talk about nash stealing mvps from kobe but it wasn't kobe who was staticstally the best player either season. It was Nowitzki!
Fg% is a bad stat anyway. It completely ignores free throws and doesn't consider value (3pt/2pt) or shot difficulty. Other players couldn't make a lot of the shots Kobe took.
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Playing second fiddle to the best player in the league at the time shouldn't be a knock on Kobe's career. Edit: it also discredits the fact that he played *really* well
But, he WAS the 2nd fiddle. That isn’t arguable. Granted, he did win 2 as the #1. But the first 3 weren’t his. Grant Hill, TMac, VC, or a bunch of other comparable all time talents could have won rings with that Shaq. Kobe should get more respect for “graduating” to the #1 guy and winning rings. The only other guy off the top of my head to do that was Hondo for the Celtics. But that does bump him down the list when it comes to all timers. As great as Kobe was, he wasn’t even the most accomplished player of his era. Duncan was more accomplished than Kobe. He won more Titles as the #1 option, More MVPs, More Finals MVPs, was an All NBA player as a Rookie (Kobe wasn’t), won ROY (Kobe didn’t), and had a better overall career. Kobe was the Face of his era, but Duncan was the Class if his era.
Julio Thom plus if you put LeBron on those laker teams he doesn’t win finals mvp either and you can say the same about MJ. The teams coming out the east had better/skilled outside players and how Shaq wasn’t gonna win finals mvp against Todd mccolouhh while Kobe was dealing with KIDD /kittles and even Kmart guarding him honestly Kobe should of won finals mvp because the zone defense wouldn’t have worked without Kobe on the outside
@@juliothom2408 Shaq couldnt win a ring with Penny who was arguably better than VC soooo thats a lie lol plus Grant Hill wasnt Grant Hill by the time Shaq was in LA he was injured the 3 years of the 3 peat so no you cant have G Hill on that list either. Kobe was far ahead of most 2 Guards in terms of defense in the early 2000s and you guys always leave that out for some odd reason. If Shaq and Kobe went 7 games a couple times in their 3peats and Kobe was an elite defender it doesnt take a genius to conclude "hey maybe they dont win this series bc your replacing a first team all nba defender with an average defender at best"
BigBody Rico, Orlando Shaq wasn’t the best player in the league. Orlando Shaq wasn’t even the best Center at that time, Hakeem was. Peak Shaq and any of those other guys in their 2nd or 3rd year win as much as Kobe did.
People be sayin Kobe got carried by shaq like any all-time great player would win FMVP with shaq as a teammate. LeBron MJ Bird Magic none of these guys are winning FMVP or being considered the best player on the team with a prime Shaq as their teammate
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Another good point to add this argument is: There's legitimately only like 2 probably 3 other players that could completely overshadow a Prime Shaquille O'Neal and become the clear 1st option even at their peak, he's called one of, if not the most dominant player for a reason, it's incredible that Kobe was even playing at the level he was and was considered to have just a decent margin between being the first option and second in his early 20s.....
Why you disrespect Shaq like that. Shaq was a beast even in the 90s. Only in his second season he averaged 28ppg. He was a dominant player from the moment he stepped up to the court. He reached the Finals in his 3rd season only to be defeated by the legendary Hakeem Olajuwon. And let's not forget the chocking at the free throw line by Nick Anderson I think. Also, he didn't play against bums. In 2002 he played against Rik Smits, a very big guy, 7'4" and was decent. In 2001 he played against Mutombo, old but still very good defensively. In 2002 he played against the Nets, which were very average but he has a very good playoff run against teams in the west as well. He didn't just magically reach the finals. Remember, he played in a very stacked West. No disrespect to Kobe, but when Shaq was in LA, he was THE guy. He was so dominant that even made Mutombo feel small and helpless. Dikembe Mutombo, one of the best shot blockers and overall paint protectors.
In 2000, Kobe was a sidekick to shaq, but in 2001 and 2002 they were really close. Shaq was better, but it was close. Kobe also had a shit ton of clutch playoff performances even in the year 2000
It was also partly a Matter of Matchups especially in the Finals and Playoffs a Great Indication of that is Kobe being Better than Shaq in all the Series Against the Spurs in 2001,2002,2003
Although I’m a sixers fan and you hurt me every time you talk about them I love your content so much man. You honestly have been getting me some consistent sports talk to get me through qaurintine.
Field goal percentages mean nothing. How can you compare field goal percentages from Kobe shooting 3s and fade-aways to a center taking 8 foot jumpers and lay ups. Nobody on that list is a better shooter than Kobe.
Honestly I would never expect anyone to go back and edit things out of videos but that is just amazing because some of those videos will be those types of videos that can be watched years down the line. Good guy rusty
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Dude I’ve never seen your top 10 all time list before and I just wanna legitimately THANK YOU for giving Tim Duncan the respect he deserves. I know that’s not really part of the video but just wanted to get that out
Just started watching this account and seeing the maturity in this account admitting his wrongs really made me enjoy this channel more. Hats off to you sir
Aye fam we all make mistakes no one perfect ur doing the right thing u acknowledged what u did wrong and apologized this is why ur one of the realist youtubers and why so many ppl love ur channel do ur thing rusty!!
Gotta disagree with the kareem take should've had 2 FMVP, the game where magic played centre kareem scored 33 38 33 23 & 40 in the 5 games he played before he got injured. And in game 5 gets injured but plays amazing in the 4th Q. Magic was averaging 17 points entering game 6. It was game 6 where he scored 42 points. Kareem should've won that year coz he was the best player in the finals for 5 games straight.
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You should discuss how players numbers are affected by playing in different systems. I think that will put a lot of stats in their proper perspective. For example, comparing Pop's ball movement system to a run and gun Mike D'Antoni system will show why players like Harden and LeBron have juiced stats.
Surprised you never mentioned people saying Kobe not being good at defense (yes, there are people who say this despite all his defensive 1st team selections). Also, I'd say Kobe got revenge on JR for the injury when he scored 81 points, since JR was the guy most responsible for guarding him.
Whenever someone says Kobe was a bad defender I tell them to go watch the 2009 and 2010 Finals. He locked down Ray Allen in nearly every game they played.
Exactly, so since most people claim Shaq carried Kobe in the first Championship because Kobe averaged 15ppg. That same criticism needs to be applied to Larry Bird because Cornbread Maxwell won the MVP in '81 while Larry Bird averaged 15ppg.
Not even close. Cornbread wasn't literally the most unstoppable player in the league at the time. Bird was a star already. Lets not try to dilute Bird to bring Kobe up ok? We can praise Kobe without going after Bird. Stay focused bud.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW And really that make the case for Kobe even better because Shaq was better than Kobe at that time. Whereas Larry Bird was a better player than Cornbread in '81 an truthfully at any stage in their careers an still got outplayed by him.
2 things- 1. It's perfectly fine to have Wilt at #11. I haven't thought much about it, but that seems like a fair spot if you heavily value team success. I would personally have him in the top 10, but honestly, there are a few players vying for #s 6-10, and someone's gonna be left out. I'd certainly have my own controversial left out players, that's for sure. (Hell, even my top 3 ranking would be controversial-as of right now, I put Kareem a whisker ahead of LeBron. Yeah) Other than that though, 2, what does "peak FG pct" mean in that chart? Bill Russell, for instance, had several years where he had a higher than 44.4% FG pct, and Jordan had many higher than 50.5%. Hell, Shaq is listed with a CAREER FG pct of 58.2%, but a peak of 58%. Unless this is some basketball advanced stat I'm not familiar with, or another term for true shooting percentage, you may want to have that checked out chief. EDIT: just realized you meant a player's peak years, not just career high. Still, you may want to make that a little more clear.
nice video, I like your videos for being fair and logical. I have said to some people before that someone like Tmac or VC could have been the one playing next to Shaq and it would have the same result and they disagreed with it.
Kobe's FG% isn't even that bad of a knock when you consider the league average for guards was probably even lower at the time, and the fact that he regularly led the league in FGA because of a high volume and difficulty of shots
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If you're gonna compare efficiency, don't even bother with FG%. TS% is the best stat for it and then in order to compare across eras, use relative TS% (rTS%), which is a player's efficiency relative to league average. For instance, in 2019, the league average TS% was 56.0% and LeBron's TS% was 58.8%. In 2006, the league average TS% was 53.5% and Kobe's was 55.9%. Meaning they were +2.8% and +2.4% more efficient than average respectively, which is a difference of 0.4%, despite the gap in their raw TS% being 2.9%. It's important because players face different defenses and score differently in different eras.
Kobe and Shaq were a real rounded tandem. Shaq did the heavy lifting... early quarter work. Kobe took over in the 4th because he could hit free throws, which changes the defense game plan.
He is inefficient. Never shot over 46% his whole career. Never shot 50% while being the 2nd option next to shaq, 44% playoff career, 41% finals career. Only FMVP to not shoot 50%.
@@judahmourneth3211 he shot 45% from the field which is league average. For a top 10 player all time, hell yeah he’s inefficient! But for the league he is average
@@pjwashington9599 lol you can slice it up any way you want. Even his last two years. He was the worst player in the league. Don’t tell me he was old and injured. Go check his FGA. He got the name kobrick early in his career for a reason!!! He still an all time great!!!
@@pjwashington9599 lead the league in missed shots for the regular season the multiple times in his career more than he’s lead the league in scoring. He’s all time in missed shots but not even top 5 in field goals Made. Shit, stop shooting so damn much kobrick. YOU CAN’T SHOOT lol
People overall use the term carried incorrectly. Ive never heard of a person who averaged +25 being carried. Ive never heard anyone say D Wade was carried by Lebron.
@@meep7895 Pau Gasol in his Prime wasnt better than Dwight Howard, KG, Tim Duncan, Dirk, or Amare but let them believe what they want to believe bro 😂😂😂 Gasol was elite but he was never a top 5 big man and he was nowhere close to being a top 10 player. You can make an arguement Yao was better than Gasol in 2009 as well and debate if Chris Bosh was better than Gasol in 2010.
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Shaq is an all time great. He was also a perennial playoff loser prior to Kobe and Wade shouldering the scoring load : 0-4 against Hakeems 1995 Rockets (outscored every game by Hakeem) 0-4 against Rodman's 1996 Bulls (and shut down every time Rodman switched on him) 1-4 against Malone's 1997 Jazz (shot under 50%) 0-4 against Malone's 1998 Jazz 0-4 against Duncan/Robinson's 1999 Spurs (shot under 50%)
I don’t understand how he is getting called inefficient, most of these guys were bigs or at least played a lot around the rim, let’s talk about the fact that Kobe is not below average with 30+ PPG, and also, how come a big be that inefficient as Bill Russel was?
Well said on the "Kobe was carried by Shaq" narrative. People say something for long enough that they end up believing it. Kobe Bryant was an all-time great and nothing anybody will ever say will ever change that.
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10:52 to 10:57 “Shaq was just clearly the best player because Kobe is now considered an all time higher talent than Kobe, his name gets mentioned first”
I think if we're talking Finals, Kobe obviously got carried by Shaq against the Pacers. However, people always forget the road to the Finals. It's like they think the first 3 rounds are just imaginary or something. Kobe was downright incredible all through the playoffs and his production dropped off a bunch against the Pacers. He was still effective but it really was on Shaq to be superhuman to get that series in the bag. He broke the all time record for fouls in a series at the time, which is still 2nd all time only to Wade's 2006 Finals. Shaq was getting intentionally fouled and it didn't matter. He was just that unstoppable. Now, after the first title, there should be no debate. Not sure how anyone can say Kobe got carried with a straight face. Even in the Finals, Kobe was crucial. I think people just focus on the Pacers Finals and think that's how it was every single playoff series, which is ignorant af.
We need a video on wade rusty he is extremely disrespected whenever u can if it’s something that crossed ur mind...thanks for the great content bro keep goin🙏🏽
Another well-worn criticism is that he didn't pass... almost 4.5 assists per game mainly in the 2000s for a 2 guard is not at all something to call selfish. The man had his moments but you can get away with it when you're arguably one of the three best pure shot-makers in basketball history (MJ, Kobe, KD are my three surest and most unpredictable buckets ever) and you've made countless big shots in the final seconds, if we're counting second probably only to Michael.
Hey Rusty how did you come up with the peak FG% ? for everyone. Did u take the fg% from their best years or did u take it from their peak scoring season. how?
Correction, the Lakers swept the Spurs in the 2001 WCF. Plus, the argument that Kobe's first three championships had less value because Shaq was the best player on those teams is also dumb. If that's the case, guys who ring chase like Lebron and Durant should have their championships in Miami and Golden State, respectively have less value even if they were the best players on those teams. Taking the escape route should be penalized when discussing it in legacy terms. Lastly, you don't know what you're talking about if you only have Kobe 7th in your all time list and have Bill Russell ahead of him.
Magic had HOF talent his entire career. With Kareem and Worthy. Magic wasn’t the run away best player, Kareem has multiple MVPs and FMVPs with Magic and Worthy has a FMVP as well. Kobe comparison is spot on.
@Minimal Interest No, James Harden plays worse in the playoffs, Kobe plays at the same level in the playoffs. Harden's getting better though, as he didn't choke last year, he just was outplayed in game 6 by Curry, but he didn't choke. Also, I'm saying that because it's shows what your actual efficiency is, because fg% is a terrible to judge a player's efficiency. James Harden is a better regular season player than Kobe, but definitely not a better playoff performer obviously. He's just as talented as Kobe, but he consistently plays worse in the playoffs, and he never rises to the occasion.
@Minimal Interest Harden's been an above average defender since 2017 - 18. Just ask Ben Simmons. Also, Kobe had 5 MVP caliber seasons: 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. Harden's already had 5: 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and he's only 30. But anyway we both agree Kobe's the much better player because he dominates when it really matters; the playoffs. Harden's best chances are likely behind him as trading CP3 for Westbrook sure seems like a mistake as of now.
I'm Kareem's defense, I would argue he was the top player on that first championship in 1980. But for the others, Magic was definitely the best player.
People forget Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq, Shaq had been swept by Hakeem in the finals playing alongside notable talent and was also swept by Jordan, Even Shaq admits he did not have a great work ethic. Shaq needed a top 2 sg of all time to win 3 chips, and then Shaq needed a top 3 sg(wade) to get his 4th... Kobe won back to back without Shaq as the primary scorer w/ pau gasol as his No.2 option mainly doing the dirty work.
There is a context for efficiency. Example: LeBron has 50% efficiency overall but outside of 3 feet it drops to 30%. So with 50% overall, does that make LeBron a better shooter than Kobe? No because Kobe ( and even more so MJ) were better much shooters than Lebron outside of 3 feet.
I'm more of a Kobe fan than a Duncan fan, but believe Duncan should be ranked just ahead of Kobe all-time for his more consistent winning, better advanced stats, and being more of a team player. The Big Fundamental lead the Spurs to at least 50 wins each of his 18 seasons (except for the lockout shortened 1998-1999 season where they were on pace for 60 wins) while winning more MVPs and Finals MVPs and having a higher career PER, TS%, Total WS, WS/48, BPM, and VORP than Kobe.
First of all, Duncan stole Kobe's MVP in 2003 in which Duncan was handed the MVP because he was the best player on the team with the best record all though Kobe had success, played a considerable amount of time without Shaq on his team, averaged 30 for a month, had better stats overall, and had a way better season from beyond the arc. Kobe also was actually a more consistent winner, he beat Duncan more times in the playoffs, not only that but he has the most 50 win teams beaten in NBA playoff history and it ain't even close. Kobe also won his championships in bunches without a big three and threepeated, a threepeat is the peak of consistently winning I would say, and won back to back in 09 and 10, Duncan has not once went back to back in his NBA career for a title. Not to mention Kobe had more all defensive first teams then Duncan although Duncan has more defensive teams overall.
Rusty, in all of your genius, can you do an analysis of what's really wrong with Houston? I, personally, blame Mike D'Antoni for their shortcomings. I feel his coaching is no longer unique and his ideas may cause malfunction in a strained lineup and, with the addition of Westbrook, this team only flopped harder. Could you chime in on your opinion on Houston and where they go this year if they miss the WCF?
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Kobes peak fg% isnt 45.5% he has multiple seasons above 46% peaking at i believe 46.9%. And i get why you made your players list the way it is but its kinda inappropriate considering half of them are Centers. It would be better if you compared Kobe to All Time Great Shooting guards to better paint the point and compared him to players like D Wade, MJ, AI, Harden, Clyde Drexler so on and so forth.
Side note: how is Shaqs career FG% higher than his Peak fg%
You should rank the starting 5 all time of every team
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I agree. Kobe was Batman and Shaq was Superman during the 3 peat. Kobe pulled his weight and took over in crucial moments and made big plays.
I always felt Kobe was Pac and Shaq was Big
Yessir!
umar b he was also fucking injured but I guess you forgot that. And in game 4 he also had a game winner when shaq fouled out but I guess you forgot that as well.
Kobe cost the the four peat cuz he wanted finals mvp
umar b You must be young and not realize that Kobe was intentionally injured aim game two, only playing like five minutes that game. He missed game three and played the rest of the series with a very badly sprained ankle.
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People overrate the value of the FMVP to the point to where if you didn't win FMVP they just assume you were carried
This all started when max kellerman started saying basically who ever won fmvp is the best player in the world
@@joshbranch6981 role players can have some favorable match up or get on some hot streak and win FMVP that's why I've always put more stock in the regular season mvp because it's 82 games long not 4-7 and you're competing with the other best players in the world for it
@@joshbranch6981 ummm no he didnt lol Iggy won Finals MVP Max never said he was the best in the World and while KD was winning Finals MVPs he said Kawhi was the Best in the World. What Max did do is use the Finals MVPs to minimize Steph Curry's effect on the team.
Only argument Bronsexuals have to put Kobe down and discount his chips
That’s cool curry still disappointing for not having one
To be honest that SportsTNB dude never seemed legit anyway.
“He has been in the community for years and has hundreds of reviews” set my bullshit detector off every time I heard it
Kobe also played in arguably the toughest western conference ever. That explains some of the lower efficiency. That also doesn’t get talked about enough in terms of supporting his all time ranking. It makes his achievements that much more impressive
He’s a solid 8th all time
@ZZ please stop with your nonsense
Kobe faced 4 different 50 win teams during his 2010 finals run.
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People trash Kobe's fg% forgetting that he had played 3 years after an achilles rupture and a number of other injuries which caused him to shoot bad when he was obviously out of his prime
True, but even if you take out his last years, it was around 45-46%.
Kobe wasn't an efficient player.
Yes he was. FG% is not the best way to measure efficiency. Look at his EFG, TSP, and efficiency rating, then tell me he wasn’t efficient.
his efficiency was bad before he got hurt. if you go look at the numbers you will find that for all his hype he was never and i mean never the best player in the league. they talk about nash stealing mvps from kobe but it wasn't kobe who was staticstally the best player either season. It was Nowitzki!
Fg% is a bad stat anyway. It completely ignores free throws and doesn't consider value (3pt/2pt) or shot difficulty. Other players couldn't make a lot of the shots Kobe took.
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I mean I appreciate it, but no one should be respected for just no longer doing the wrong thing lol
@@rustybuckets ya but like outside of not doing it in the first place admitting your wrong and moving on is the next best thing
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You both admitted to wrongdoing , and are vehemently against it now.
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Respect the way you started the video! Didn't completely ignore it like the majority of creators did!
Playing second fiddle to the best player in the league at the time shouldn't be a knock on Kobe's career.
Edit: it also discredits the fact that he played *really* well
But, he WAS the 2nd fiddle. That isn’t arguable. Granted, he did win 2 as the #1. But the first 3 weren’t his. Grant Hill, TMac, VC, or a bunch of other comparable all time talents could have won rings with that Shaq.
Kobe should get more respect for “graduating” to the #1 guy and winning rings. The only other guy off the top of my head to do that was Hondo for the Celtics. But that does bump him down the list when it comes to all timers.
As great as Kobe was, he wasn’t even the most accomplished player of his era. Duncan was more accomplished than Kobe. He won more Titles as the #1 option, More MVPs, More Finals MVPs, was an All NBA player as a Rookie (Kobe wasn’t), won ROY (Kobe didn’t), and had a better overall career.
Kobe was the Face of his era, but Duncan was the Class if his era.
Julio Thom I don’t think just any top 5 player of early 2000’s wins 3 out of 4 finals in 5 seasons
Julio Thom plus if you put LeBron on those laker teams he doesn’t win finals mvp either and you can say the same about MJ. The teams coming out the east had better/skilled outside players and how Shaq wasn’t gonna win finals mvp against Todd mccolouhh while Kobe was dealing with KIDD /kittles and even Kmart guarding him honestly Kobe should of won finals mvp because the zone defense wouldn’t have worked without Kobe on the outside
@@juliothom2408 Shaq couldnt win a ring with Penny who was arguably better than VC soooo thats a lie lol plus Grant Hill wasnt Grant Hill by the time Shaq was in LA he was injured the 3 years of the 3 peat so no you cant have G Hill on that list either. Kobe was far ahead of most 2 Guards in terms of defense in the early 2000s and you guys always leave that out for some odd reason. If Shaq and Kobe went 7 games a couple times in their 3peats and Kobe was an elite defender it doesnt take a genius to conclude "hey maybe they dont win this series bc your replacing a first team all nba defender with an average defender at best"
BigBody Rico, Orlando Shaq wasn’t the best player in the league. Orlando Shaq wasn’t even the best Center at that time, Hakeem was.
Peak Shaq and any of those other guys in their 2nd or 3rd year win as much as Kobe did.
Respect for holding yourself accountable and letting the audience know even though you didn't have too. You're better than most.
Still can't believe he is no longer with us 💔
Yep. SportsTMB was an institution....
I liked your comment and now it has 25 likes..sorry...
People be sayin Kobe got carried by shaq like any all-time great player would win FMVP with shaq as a teammate. LeBron MJ Bird Magic none of these guys are winning FMVP or being considered the best player on the team with a prime Shaq as their teammate
This channel definitely scratches every itch when it comes to NBA discussions. I am a big fan of the team outlook videos! I'm sure your channel is going to continue to thrive with the lack of basketball. Best of luck to ya!
Ironic how Is Jalen Rose was the one who tried to injure Kobe.
Then got 81 dropped on his dome.
@@shangarbagio lol bro he did that on all 5 starters, Bosh included. Next best option on that team was Lamar Kardashian Odom
theSANDMAN366 Rose was his opening game matchup
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Thank you for putting Hakeem in your top 10. He is very underrated by most
I agree he is in my top ten too❤❤❤❤
Man puts up crazy numbers in the playoffs and gets little credit cause of shaq🤦
Another good point to add this argument is: There's legitimately only like 2 probably 3 other players that could completely overshadow a Prime Shaquille O'Neal and become the clear 1st option even at their peak, he's called one of, if not the most dominant player for a reason, it's incredible that Kobe was even playing at the level he was and was considered to have just a decent margin between being the first option and second in his early 20s.....
@@TyBaller thats actually a really good point.
BigBody Rico yep people think if you don’t win fmvp it means you were carried and didn’t do anything
Shaq played against bums at Center in Finals from 2000 to 2002
absolutely and only true basketball heads know that . the great 90s centers were all gone and shaq never won in that time
Why you disrespect Shaq like that. Shaq was a beast even in the 90s. Only in his second season he averaged 28ppg. He was a dominant player from the moment he stepped up to the court. He reached the Finals in his 3rd season only to be defeated by the legendary Hakeem Olajuwon. And let's not forget the chocking at the free throw line by Nick Anderson I think.
Also, he didn't play against bums. In 2002 he played against Rik Smits, a very big guy, 7'4" and was decent. In 2001 he played against Mutombo, old but still very good defensively. In 2002 he played against the Nets, which were very average but he has a very good playoff run against teams in the west as well. He didn't just magically reach the finals. Remember, he played in a very stacked West. No disrespect to Kobe, but when Shaq was in LA, he was THE guy. He was so dominant that even made Mutombo feel small and helpless. Dikembe Mutombo, one of the best shot blockers and overall paint protectors.
Kush Berry what happen against Ben Wallace
In 2000, Kobe was a sidekick to shaq, but in 2001 and 2002 they were really close. Shaq was better, but it was close. Kobe also had a shit ton of clutch playoff performances even in the year 2000
It was also partly a Matter of Matchups especially in the Finals and Playoffs a Great Indication of that is Kobe being Better than Shaq in all the Series Against the Spurs in 2001,2002,2003
And in that 2000 NBA WCF, Kobe is the Lakers best player in Game 6 and 7.
Although I’m a sixers fan and you hurt me every time you talk about them I love your content so much man. You honestly have been getting me some consistent sports talk to get me through qaurintine.
Field goal percentages mean nothing. How can you compare field goal percentages from Kobe shooting 3s and fade-aways to a center taking 8 foot jumpers and lay ups. Nobody on that list is a better shooter than Kobe.
Honestly I would never expect anyone to go back and edit things out of videos but that is just amazing because some of those videos will be those types of videos that can be watched years down the line. Good guy rusty
I appreciate the integrity in regards to the advertisements, Rusty! Thanks for doing things right way
Rusty, you become my go to basketball channel! No one puts that much variety with quality almost daily...you young sir have my respect!! Thank you and keep up the good work 👍
thank you for getting rid of the ad bro
Dude I’ve never seen your top 10 all time list before and I just wanna legitimately THANK YOU for giving Tim Duncan the respect he deserves. I know that’s not really part of the video but just wanted to get that out
Just started watching this account and seeing the maturity in this account admitting his wrongs really made me enjoy this channel more. Hats off to you sir
Really cool for you to own up to your mistakes, not many people do that. Much respect my man!
Aye fam we all make mistakes no one perfect ur doing the right thing u acknowledged what u did wrong and apologized this is why ur one of the realist youtubers and why so many ppl love ur channel do ur thing rusty!!
Gotta disagree with the kareem take should've had 2 FMVP, the game where magic played centre kareem scored 33 38 33 23 & 40 in the 5 games he played before he got injured. And in game 5 gets injured but plays amazing in the 4th Q. Magic was averaging 17 points entering game 6. It was game 6 where he scored 42 points. Kareem should've won that year coz he was the best player in the finals for 5 games straight.
Thank you Rusty a small step can influence other you tubers. Gods work 🙏
People always find away to hate on good players
I love your vids bro no cap . You one of the best up and coming youtubers . You put more effort into your vids then a lot of other guys and can back up everything u say with facts. Keep up the good work💪
Most ppl who say Kobe was carried didn't even watch those playoffs.. BOTH Kobe and Shaq were unstoppable
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NOT HERE
Rusty Buckets ok I sub now
You should discuss how players numbers are affected by playing in different systems. I think that will put a lot of stats in their proper perspective. For example, comparing Pop's ball movement system to a run and gun Mike D'Antoni system will show why players like Harden and LeBron have juiced stats.
Surprised you never mentioned people saying Kobe not being good at defense (yes, there are people who say this despite all his defensive 1st team selections).
Also, I'd say Kobe got revenge on JR for the injury when he scored 81 points, since JR was the guy most responsible for guarding him.
Whenever someone says Kobe was a bad defender I tell them to go watch the 2009 and 2010 Finals. He locked down Ray Allen in nearly every game they played.
Your Kobe videos are the best
Exactly, so since most people claim Shaq carried Kobe in the first Championship because Kobe averaged 15ppg. That same criticism needs to be applied to Larry Bird because Cornbread Maxwell won the MVP in '81 while Larry Bird averaged 15ppg.
Not even close. Cornbread wasn't literally the most unstoppable player in the league at the time. Bird was a star already. Lets not try to dilute Bird to bring Kobe up ok? We can praise Kobe without going after Bird. Stay focused bud.
@Minimal Interest without context yes.
With context no its a foolish comparison.
@@THE_BEAR_JEW And really that make the case for Kobe even better because Shaq was better than Kobe at that time. Whereas Larry Bird was a better player than Cornbread in '81 an truthfully at any stage in their careers an still got outplayed by him.
You should have add the "Kobe isn't clutch" criticism. People just used the "5/22" bullshit.
You know it's going to be a banger video when the title says "the dumb criticisms of"
2 things- 1. It's perfectly fine to have Wilt at #11. I haven't thought much about it, but that seems like a fair spot if you heavily value team success. I would personally have him in the top 10, but honestly, there are a few players vying for #s 6-10, and someone's gonna be left out. I'd certainly have my own controversial left out players, that's for sure. (Hell, even my top 3 ranking would be controversial-as of right now, I put Kareem a whisker ahead of LeBron. Yeah)
Other than that though, 2, what does "peak FG pct" mean in that chart? Bill Russell, for instance, had several years where he had a higher than 44.4% FG pct, and Jordan had many higher than 50.5%. Hell, Shaq is listed with a CAREER FG pct of 58.2%, but a peak of 58%. Unless this is some basketball advanced stat I'm not familiar with, or another term for true shooting percentage, you may want to have that checked out chief.
EDIT: just realized you meant a player's peak years, not just career high. Still, you may want to make that a little more clear.
Nice vid Rusty one of the best TH-camrs out here. 👍
nice video, I like your videos for being fair and logical. I have said to some people before that someone like Tmac or VC could have been the one playing next to Shaq and it would have the same result and they disagreed with it.
Kobe's FG% isn't even that bad of a knock when you consider the league average for guards was probably even lower at the time, and the fact that he regularly led the league in FGA because of a high volume and difficulty of shots
This was exactly the video I wanted from you knowing we're both Kobe fans
I remember when i first got TH-cam premium, your vids were the first things I watched and it really annoyed me that there was an advertisement even though i paid premium. Thankfully no more of that stuff
2000-05 Lakers were a superteam and yet Kobe was carried by Shaq...
Have you ever seen a Superteam with only one superstar ?
If you're gonna compare efficiency, don't even bother with FG%. TS% is the best stat for it and then in order to compare across eras, use relative TS% (rTS%), which is a player's efficiency relative to league average. For instance, in 2019, the league average TS% was 56.0% and LeBron's TS% was 58.8%. In 2006, the league average TS% was 53.5% and Kobe's was 55.9%. Meaning they were +2.8% and +2.4% more efficient than average respectively, which is a difference of 0.4%, despite the gap in their raw TS% being 2.9%.
It's important because players face different defenses and score differently in different eras.
Crazy to think he isnt here anymore still doesnt feel real
“Idk 2020 is fwm” I felt that 🤣🤣
Only 17 of those points were on jalen rose
Taiga wat are u even talking about
Best basketball channel on TH-cam. Not east to do what you did respect.
Kobe and Shaq were a real rounded tandem. Shaq did the heavy lifting... early quarter work. Kobe took over in the 4th because he could hit free throws, which changes the defense game plan.
First rustys been carrying quarantine for me
Everyone who says Kobe is inefficient is a casual who plays 2K on pro and shoots 60% from the field
He is inefficient. Never shot over 46% his whole career. Never shot 50% while being the 2nd option next to shaq, 44% playoff career, 41% finals career. Only FMVP to not shoot 50%.
@@judahmourneth3211 he shot 45% from the field which is league average. For a top 10 player all time, hell yeah he’s inefficient! But for the league he is average
@@pjwashington9599 lol you can slice it up any way you want. Even his last two years. He was the worst player in the league. Don’t tell me he was old and injured. Go check his FGA. He got the name kobrick early in his career for a reason!!! He still an all time great!!!
@@pjwashington9599 lead the league in missed shots for the regular season the multiple times in his career more than he’s lead the league in scoring. He’s all time in missed shots but not even top 5 in field goals
Made. Shit, stop shooting so damn much kobrick. YOU CAN’T SHOOT lol
@@judahmourneth3211Ur right he was bad in his last years but his career fg is league average so he is not inefficient
I legit once seen a dude say that Kobe was always carried by his Bigmen lmfao
People overall use the term carried incorrectly. Ive never heard of a person who averaged +25 being carried. Ive never heard anyone say D Wade was carried by Lebron.
I agree....but to be fair he did win with a top 5 big man in all of his rings.
@@Tre_Ason_Number7 how is pau gasol a top 5 big man?
I don’t want to hear it shaq carried Kobe same with gasol
@@meep7895 Pau Gasol in his Prime wasnt better than Dwight Howard, KG, Tim Duncan, Dirk, or Amare but let them believe what they want to believe bro 😂😂😂 Gasol was elite but he was never a top 5 big man and he was nowhere close to being a top 10 player. You can make an arguement Yao was better than Gasol in 2009 as well and debate if Chris Bosh was better than Gasol in 2010.
If you even payed the smallest attention to what was said in those ads you could tell they were sus.
"He's been in the community for years and has hundreds of reviews."
Literally nothing in that says anything positive.
Shaq is an all time great. He was also a perennial playoff loser prior to Kobe and Wade shouldering the scoring load
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0-4 against Hakeems 1995 Rockets (outscored every game by Hakeem)
0-4 against Rodman's 1996 Bulls (and shut down every time Rodman switched on him)
1-4 against Malone's 1997 Jazz (shot under 50%)
0-4 against Malone's 1998 Jazz
0-4 against Duncan/Robinson's 1999 Spurs (shot under 50%)
I don’t understand how he is getting called inefficient, most of these guys were bigs or at least played a lot around the rim, let’s talk about the fact that Kobe is not below average with 30+ PPG, and also, how come a big be that inefficient as Bill Russel was?
No spacing or 3 point line everything was congested
Early congrats on 80k !
When u going to drop a new gm episode
I'm really struggling to find the time man lol
Rusty Buckets it’s all good true fans will be patient
Hey I can finally sub again and quit disliking all of your videos. Thank you for actually listening bro, mad respect! 💯
Jalen rose purposely injuries Kobe then Kobe comes back and drops 81 on his head
Well said on the "Kobe was carried by Shaq" narrative. People say something for long enough that they end up believing it. Kobe Bryant was an all-time great and nothing anybody will ever say will ever change that.
I’d talk about TS% instead of FG%, it doesn’t tell you anything about efficiency just makes and misses
@Stone Colds Kobe is my favourite player of all-time, there is zero argument for him being ahead of LeBron all-time
@Stone Colds 😂🤝
Look at Rusty, man turning down scammers
Preach!!!!!
Respect to you taking the steps to removing the scammer.
Best to have this experience now, than when you eventually become a bigger brand and lose millions of dollars for it.
Cheers to growth.
Keep grinding and soon you won't have to even consider shit head sponsors.
Big Ups.
How did nobody know he was scamming you guys really thought someone who was selling vc is real
Oh that thing about wanting to buy a stacked 2K account? Nahh didn’t buy that
Let’s get it Rusty 🏀
I hate when people overhype Magic’s 1 game as center because Bill Russell did it his whole career and they are both 6’9
You should use Effective Field Goal & True Shooting for Kobe’s shooting efficiency
10:52 to 10:57
“Shaq was just clearly the best player because Kobe is now considered an all time higher talent than Kobe, his name gets mentioned first”
I think if we're talking Finals, Kobe obviously got carried by Shaq against the Pacers. However, people always forget the road to the Finals. It's like they think the first 3 rounds are just imaginary or something. Kobe was downright incredible all through the playoffs and his production dropped off a bunch against the Pacers. He was still effective but it really was on Shaq to be superhuman to get that series in the bag.
He broke the all time record for fouls in a series at the time, which is still 2nd all time only to Wade's 2006 Finals. Shaq was getting intentionally fouled and it didn't matter. He was just that unstoppable.
Now, after the first title, there should be no debate. Not sure how anyone can say Kobe got carried with a straight face. Even in the Finals, Kobe was crucial. I think people just focus on the Pacers Finals and think that's how it was every single playoff series, which is ignorant af.
Shaq and Kobe r the most dominant duo of all time
Nahhh, Michael Jordan & Scottie Pippen is the greatest duo of all time but they are 2nd tho.
I was expecting this video to come out
Please do a video that dismisses the “Scottie carried mike” argument... yes that a thing, Lebron fans are insane.
We need a video on wade rusty he is extremely disrespected whenever u can if it’s something that crossed ur mind...thanks for the great content bro keep goin🙏🏽
Anybody else ever just hum or whistle Rusty’s background music out of nowhere?
Another well-worn criticism is that he didn't pass... almost 4.5 assists per game mainly in the 2000s for a 2 guard is not at all something to call selfish. The man had his moments but you can get away with it when you're arguably one of the three best pure shot-makers in basketball history (MJ, Kobe, KD are my three surest and most unpredictable buckets ever) and you've made countless big shots in the final seconds, if we're counting second probably only to Michael.
Hey Rusty how did you come up with the peak FG% ? for everyone. Did u take the fg% from their best years or did u take it from their peak scoring season. how?
Correction, the Lakers swept the Spurs in the 2001 WCF. Plus, the argument that Kobe's first three championships had less value because Shaq was the best player on those teams is also dumb. If that's the case, guys who ring chase like Lebron and Durant should have their championships in Miami and Golden State, respectively have less value even if they were the best players on those teams. Taking the escape route should be penalized when discussing it in legacy terms. Lastly, you don't know what you're talking about if you only have Kobe 7th in your all time list and have Bill Russell ahead of him.
Magic had HOF talent his entire career. With Kareem and Worthy. Magic wasn’t the run away best player, Kareem has multiple MVPs and FMVPs with Magic and Worthy has a FMVP as well.
Kobe comparison is spot on.
big respect on dropping SportsTNB even tho it was easy money
You should show true shooting or relative true shooting to compare era's; field goal percentage is a bad way to judge how efficient a player is.
@Minimal Interest No, James Harden plays worse in the playoffs, Kobe plays at the same level in the playoffs. Harden's getting better though, as he didn't choke last year, he just was outplayed in game 6 by Curry, but he didn't choke. Also, I'm saying that because it's shows what your actual efficiency is, because fg% is a terrible to judge a player's efficiency. James Harden is a better regular season player than Kobe, but definitely not a better playoff performer obviously. He's just as talented as Kobe, but he consistently plays worse in the playoffs, and he never rises to the occasion.
@Minimal Interest Harden's been an above average defender since 2017 - 18. Just ask Ben Simmons. Also, Kobe had 5 MVP caliber seasons: 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009. Harden's already had 5: 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and he's only 30. But anyway we both agree Kobe's the much better player because he dominates when it really matters; the playoffs. Harden's best chances are likely behind him as trading CP3 for Westbrook sure seems like a mistake as of now.
I'm Kareem's defense, I would argue he was the top player on that first championship in 1980. But for the others, Magic was definitely the best player.
the biggest counter to the argument is that penny also had shaq but where r his rings?
The magic were much worse than the lakers in almost every way
Good job rusty
The Kareem logic was 1000% accurate
People forget Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed Shaq, Shaq had been swept by Hakeem in the finals playing alongside notable talent and was also swept by Jordan, Even Shaq admits he did not have a great work ethic. Shaq needed a top 2 sg of all time to win 3 chips, and then Shaq needed a top 3 sg(wade) to get his 4th... Kobe won back to back without Shaq as the primary scorer w/ pau gasol as his No.2 option mainly doing the dirty work.
Props to you for owning up to the sponsor controversy
Also in the inefficient argument he scored in the midrange and the midrange is really bad for efficiency.
Scoring primarily in the midrange is dumb.....unless you're KD.
@@Isaiah_McIntosh difference is tho KD is 7 foot with a 7 foot 5 wingspan
There is a context for efficiency. Example: LeBron has 50% efficiency overall but outside of 3 feet it drops to 30%. So with 50% overall, does that make LeBron a better shooter than Kobe? No because Kobe ( and even more so MJ) were better much shooters than Lebron outside of 3 feet.
I'm more of a Kobe fan than a Duncan fan, but believe Duncan should be ranked just ahead of Kobe all-time for his more consistent winning, better advanced stats, and being more of a team player. The Big Fundamental lead the Spurs to at least 50 wins each of his 18 seasons (except for the lockout shortened 1998-1999 season where they were on pace for 60 wins) while winning more MVPs and Finals MVPs and having a higher career PER, TS%, Total WS, WS/48, BPM, and VORP than Kobe.
First of all, Duncan stole Kobe's MVP in 2003 in which Duncan was handed the MVP because he was the best player on the team with the best record all though Kobe had success, played a considerable amount of time without Shaq on his team, averaged 30 for a month, had better stats overall, and had a way better season from beyond the arc. Kobe also was actually a more consistent winner, he beat Duncan more times in the playoffs, not only that but he has the most 50 win teams beaten in NBA playoff history and it ain't even close. Kobe also won his championships in bunches without a big three and threepeated, a threepeat is the peak of consistently winning I would say, and won back to back in 09 and 10, Duncan has not once went back to back in his NBA career for a title. Not to mention Kobe had more all defensive first teams then Duncan although Duncan has more defensive teams overall.
Thanks, that ad was annoying as hell
Magic won 3, maybe 4 as the best player on the Lakers. Kareem was the best player in 1980 and maybe the 2nd ring as well.
Rusty, in all of your genius, can you do an analysis of what's really wrong with Houston? I, personally, blame Mike D'Antoni for their shortcomings. I feel his coaching is no longer unique and his ideas may cause malfunction in a strained lineup and, with the addition of Westbrook, this team only flopped harder. Could you chime in on your opinion on Houston and where they go this year if they miss the WCF?
I have done so quite a bit in the past
Nice bro. Trust people still don't have they money still