Instead of being proud of his wife, he acted like the small man he is - weak. No wonder he preferred Camilla, she catered to his every whim and flattered him. She built up his fragile ego that could not put anyone but himself first. Camilla may be homely and dowdy, but clever.
I'm always shocked when people put X before their kids (religion, excellence in sports or academics, etc.) but that's actually what's happening here, too. That's true
Love how for the final burn on top of that fine burn was her basically saying "Both" without saying the word both and just repeating an aspect of her earlier words
In fairness, Prince Charles' "I have a beating heart" at 3:11 was particularly harsh. But the Queen hadn't the luxury of really losing her temper, so she goes to "nobody wants to hear it." She's tough, but I get that. I'm the son of a Marine & the grandson of a three-war veteran. I know toughness. I respect it. Say what you like about her, but she stuck by her principles. You always knew exactly where you stood with her. If England's going to keep a monarchy in the 21st century, people like her have to run it, or it won't work. King Charles has big shoes to fill, and now that he's finally gotten the throne, he's gotten sick. Not at all surprising. How many people have to start a new job they've been waiting for all their lives at 73? Most people have long since retired by that age. I hope Princess Catherine is in good health. If King Charles gets too sick to stay king, Prince William's going to need her at her best.
@@jakecrawford1438as was the last Prince of Wales 1901-10 when his mother Queen Victoria belittled every moment cos of Albert’s death she blamed HIM FOR
I actually felt I could relate to Charles in season 3. Then season 4 happened, then season 5. I have yet to watch season 6, but if the point of this scene is to flesh out duty's links to intergenerational trauma, then job well done.
She's actually right in this matter: No modern politician, not even Charles' later "heartfelt friend" Tony Blair, would be grateful if a crown prince, king or queen openly interfered in day-to-day politics. But I don't think King George ever treated his daughter with such icy contempt as she does here with her son and crown prince - if this conversation is anything like the facts, Elizabeth must have had other role models. By the way, Charles' "mission" was quite successful: the "emotional" Welsh agreed with their prince to such an extent that plans for rebellion and secession were off the table for the time being, and at some point Wales was given self-government rights just like the Scottish part of the country.
Possibly King George was able to treat his daughter with respect and not contempt because she was intelligent and able to take on the role. Charles however is like his father - none too bright, and given to put his foot in his mouth.
As a US citizen, this present day expectation of the monarchy has always struck me as odd. I understand it to some degree, in that you don’t want a hereditary political player, but as too often politics interweave with basic right versus wrong views, it does seem odd you don’t want the monarchy to stand for what is right. Though not a fan of Charles, in this one instance, I tend to agree with him. He was exercising active listening and repeating back what he was hearing from the people of Wales. And per your own comment, they FELT heard, and that made all the difference to them. I think I do understand the difficulty of walking that line.
It's difficult to deny that a certain ability to respond lessened in her over the years. To the point where it mostly died. At least, that is what's shown here. Where once was a place of passion is now a place of emptiness. As that is part of the job. But the job can only ever be so large...right?? There is a world outside of that job too. And it's just as real as any other world.
The most cruel scene of the entire show. And the most incredible thing is that later on in life, Charles crashed Diana's personality because she was shadowing his character, a cry-baby, the Queen knew that
They both wanted to be mothered. She never had a present mother and he had a very distant emotionally unavailable one. They were both painfully immature and needy. He was looking for a mother which he found in Camilla, she was looking for a supportive, loving and protective man, which she never found. Charles hated her and put her down because he was envious of her success, she was the star of the show, not him, and he loathed her for that. At the same time she enjoyed it a little bit too much and went out of her way to eclipse the royals.
@@Ariana-wv4pf Diana eclipsed them even when she wasn't trying. She eclipsed them by being warm, humane. They had a cold demeanour, their frosty attitude was dated back to Queen Mary, who encouraged Elizabeth to be cold, frosty.
I wonder who were Elizabeth's role models, because, and according to this show, King George was never icy or emotionally distant with his daughters, quite the contrary, he adored them and was a loving father.
Charles was a father for ten years before becoming King. Elizabeth became queen much younger, and was being prepped for the role even earlier, being the direct heir, while her father was expected to fall down the line of succession once David settled down and had babies. But Anne has actually said her parents were very loving behind closed doors. They were just often away
@@MsJubjubbird "Charles was a father for 10 years before becoming king" Ha? You do realize both boys were in their late 30s/early 40s when Charles, their father, became King. What are you even talking about???
This scene to me empathizes what many in America thinks.....the Royal Family is basically the world richest welfare household. The Queen know this. She understands the popularity of the Royals is only as strong as the people allow it to be. To choose a side that will bring disfavor to the masses will eventually break that delicate balance and the need of the monarchy will be no more. I believe Britain is starting to experience that now (2024) with all the protests and marches on the street. The actual topic is not important, who is allowing that topic to exist is. I think one of the best lines about the Royal Family actually came from a comedy, King Ralph. Peter O'Toole's character stated (paraphrasing) "A king is not allowed to solve problem, unfortunately it does not stop him from causing them."
Diderot said "People will only be free when the last king is strangled with he entrails of the last priest" the culture wars are merely a distraction from the class war, which is the real issue.
The price he paid for living his entire life in absolute luxury with people waiting on him day and night. If he wanted his voice heard, he could have walked away from it all, and maybe someone would have listened. But he chose the luxurious existence. Nobody held a gun to his head.
That would've been very hard to do, given the precedent of his uncle. He'd have not only lost luxury, but his whole family, only to be thrown out into a world in which he had no skills to survive. Hasn't worked out so well for Harry, and he has a wife with Hollywood connections.
@@InTheMourning421 Well, he's living on another continent from where he was born and raised, and apparently none of his family talk to him. I'm not sure they're doing "quite well" but they get by because, as I wrote, his wife has Hollywood connections.
@@InTheMourning421 he's an outcast, his family officially cut ties with him and Megan. He is living just like his great-uncle did after his abdication to the crown, even worse because Edward was at least on same continent but Harry lives on the other side of the world
Growing up in a family of Irish Catholics, I had nothing but resent for the royals, whilst simultaneously knowing absolutely zero about them. This show, while sometimes embellishing the facts for the sake of entertainment and drama, has provided me with a new viewpoint I hadn't considered before. One of sympathy and compassion for people denied the right to be people.
Oh please. They could end this whole pathetic farce tomorrow if they wanted to. "Royal family as victims" makes a good TV show but that's all. Certain members of the royal family (eg Diana) as victims of other members, yes -- but that's family dynamics.
@@Rosemary-vf5ei Yes, that's exactly what I just said. This is the "royal family as victims" TV show. It garners sympathy for the "poor" royals but has no basis in reality.
Did she ever consider Queen Mary came from an antiquated time, where emotional constipation and coldness were normalized by the upper class? She took her literally, without question. Here lies within the grave mistake of not using your own judgements and common sense rather than following a script only because thats how its always been done.
As a human charles is right he also wanted to take support from outsiders and common people (when diana gave interview to seek help from public the whole family made her feel all alone and ignored her like she never wxist alive worst behaviour of queen and her family towards diana ) . But as a queen, lilibet is correctly following rules books and wants her son to do so as he is future heir . Both are correct in their own views . I support charles here because he is not wholly by british rule book but also a human with heart ❤❤but the tough system changed him 😢😢😢😢
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 u r right ruler must follow gods principles. the british queen elizabeth ii and family are Christian people's. If they followed whatever principles given by god then things might have been different .
Charles only had a wife to get an heir and a spare for the throne. Poor Dianna, they tried to make out she was crazy and she was with love for Charles, she was used abused and gaslighted by a narcissistic Charles,I find him disgusting, a liar and cheat, he should never have been king a and Camilla should never have been queen. Any wonder people are turning away from the Monarchy, they lost my support many years ago.
They take the abdication really seriously, I do think the "you have to be impartial" is based on the Duke of Windsor who followed his own heart to marry Wallis Simpson who bring a lot of troubles to the Monarchy. They make sure that would never happen anymore.
3:25 this is one of many reason why the Queen gatekeeping the crown from Charles. To be a Royal is to be judged everyday by its subjects. Showing anything will provoke everything, just like the small kindnesses of Diana or Charles's scandal. On the other hand, Charles want to "undress" himself to the public by showing his feelings. Such vulgarity.....
The United Kingdom did well when women were on the throne: Queen Elizabeth the First, Second, and Queen Victoria. Queen Elizabeth firmly established a protestant Church named the Church of England, and Queen Victoria expanded the English (words) to all parts of the world. Queen Elizabeth, the second's affect and effect will be judged by history. The story to be continued.
Do we know that this conversation ever took place - given that The Crown has been described as fiction based on some facts - meaning that some of these events never happened. Who would have known about this conversation?
Given that the monarch is supposed to be impartial; HMTQ was not wrong. It wasn't the message, it was the way it was delivered that cut Charles to the core. But Charles gave back as good as he got by insinuating that his mother was cold and unfeeling! That must have hurt the Queen. Somehow, I think that Charles might have had more success discussing his Wales trip with his grandmother.
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
@@zakhenson9809 You're not wrong. However, it can be a difficult thing to consider the life experience of Elizabeth that led her to this point in the first place. "The crown must win...must always win." I can see no further proof than this of how she took that piece of advice to heart. And then I think back to what her father said to Phillip, her fiance. His job is to love her. And I think this scene in particular reveals to us at least some of what loving her entailed. In the specific context of this television program anyway.
A family where children have to make an official appointment via palace offices and personal secretaries and seek audience to speak for 10 minutes to their own mother or father and, when they manage to secure that appointment, they're talked to as Charles is in this scene (and I don't think reality was much different) is not a functional family. In a modern world, it's actually a recipe for disaster. This sort of formality and coldness may have been suited to the stiff-upper-lip times, when such an attitude was not unheard of even in normal families, but in this day and age that's simply stupid and is asking for troubles, troubles which eventually hit the Queen. That advice that she took and followed word for word from her grandmother turned out to be very poor because it almost destroyed her family in an era of emotional liberation which her grandmother could not possibly foresee, let alone understand.
Don’t give hysteria some sort of fancy name called ‘emotional liberty’. Showing emotions in public is vulnerability. Queen Mary was 100% right. People will mostly use that against you rather than showing support. Queen could survive so long with huge public support bcz she never let public know her true emotions whereas all other members of the family failed to do so and they got fried by people.
Allow me to play the world’s smallest violin. When you have dozens of palaces, hundreds of people at your service, red carpet everywhere you go, millions of the tax payers’ money, a life of unimaginable confort and luxury, so what if you are asked to give up some things? Opinions? Privacy? Anonymity? I don’t feel bad for any of them. Not for Charles not for William not for Harry of their wives and kids. People can’t afford food or heating in the dead of winter. Formality is a small price to pay for all their privileges.
@@sakaya9878let me play the SMALLEST of 🎻 THE ROYALS are NOT CHOSEN by you OR ANY GOVERNMENT they are chosen BY GOD to lead they are CROWNED IN HIS CHURCH NOT A OFFICE BLOCK you’re jealous you haven’t got what they have and it shows !! Probably in a council Estate somewhere moaning and being nasty cos of your “opinion “ which actually is A STATEMENT OF your bitterness and resentment frankly !!! Yes they have a privilege life it’s NOT ONE for everyone there is a PECKING PRIVILEGE ORDER which btw you couldn’t hack !
Not everyone is after aesthetic beauty. Charles has never been the kind of guy to have arm candy or chase models or anything. This is a university educated intellectual who likes gardening, environmental heritage and historical buildings. Diana hadn't finished high school, wanted to go to parties and be a socialite. There was very little in common. Camilla studied at the university of London and liked living in the country with dogs and horses and painting landscapes.
The Queen and Charles are very temperamentally different. In personality he’s a lot more like his father, The Queen was a lot more like her father…stoic, reserved and concerned with duty rather than personal fulfilment. Charles is without doubt more of a people person than his more aloof mother. But as cold as it sounds she’s right, it’s cruel in a way but the Monarch does have no right to express a view…their function is constitutional and for them to express a belief undermines Democracy because they are in their position by birth rather than popular decree
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
@@zakhenson9809 but he’s going to be the monarch. That’s the point, you spend your whole life telling people what you think before you take the throne. Even if you remain impartial on the throne (which he has)…you’ve undermined the system. And it is the whole family, you couldn’t have The Duke of Edinburgh publicly taking a view on Scottish independence for example
Princess Anne the queen mother and Margaret have spoken out and done as they like partying drinking etc and it didn’t bathe the queen even princess Anne told a reporter to naff off im sorry those rules may apply to Charles because he will be king but not her sister daughter or mother after all rules are made to be broken
I also love how she’s referring to the royal family hiding feelings being impartial when queen mary said just the monarch prince Edward vii who divorced wasn’t impartial or silent and he was like that as a prince long before he was king
She was fuming because he said she had no character and was only good for cutting ribbons, after all she has been through to that point he gave her no credit.
@@dosman3458 she didn't lie about it. If she wanted to lie she would have done a better job! I don't understand why some people have got so upset. And it's gone way too far. One major news broadcaster published the meta data of the image, saying the exact time it was edited, the camera used, the shutter speed of the image etc. That's creepy af. No wonder they don't share much, that's near stalker levels of obsession under the guise of 'news'. Diana was trailed by paps till it killed her. Kate has to negotiate every random on the street having a camera and the ability to upload images to the internet immediately. No wonder she disappeared.
@@frname7665It’s fake, a composite. Why do you think they aren’t releasing the unedited original? It’s because it doesn’t exist and the idea that’s it’s ok for a member of the royal family to disseminate misinformation is fake the birds. Why should we believe anything she says or does from now on now that she has been shown to have zero integrity?
The part of the speech that HM complained about was not in the speech. Charles read it as written. There was no secret message to the Welsh, it was fictionalized like most of "The Crown."
@@Kandlelite Protocol doesn't force them to act distant and cold with each other. That's a choice Elizabeth made, and her son's insecurity is the consequence of that choice.
THEY ARE DUTY BOUND AND SEE EVERYTHING THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR LENS. THEY ARE RAISED TO KEEP THEIR EMOTIONS UNDER CONTROL IN PUBLIC AND IN THIS AGE OF TELL ALL BOOKS, BLUBBERY TRUE CONFESSIONS, INTERVIEWS WITH OPRAH WHERE THEY WHINE INCESSANTLY I FIND THEIR DIGNITY ADMIRABLE.
The Queen and Philip both knew Charles was too weak to be King and they were correct. She lived as long as she could. The Grifters shortened her life. After her passing Weak Charles and Wicked Camilia let the Monarchy crumble. William the Cad is struggling to put it back together on the strengh of Princess Catherine who he has treated shabbily.
What Charles is missing is that, in a Constitutional monarchy, the hereditary nature of his position precludes his having an opinion. The minute he takes a side, then he is entering politics. The obvious response to that is, why should your opinion matter more than anyone else? You want an opinion, resign your princely position and run for office. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut and enjoy the perks of royalty.
If I'm not mistaken the thinking too is that once one member of the monarchy takes a side it's assumed the whole monarchy feels the same. Since they're not allowed to be individuals and all.
Sorry I love how Josh shows what a weak girl Charles is. Charles wants the attention Diana got but will never get it. Camilla is the same. People want William and Catherine than Charles and Camilla.
According to people who knew the Royal Family, they always thought that Anne would have been the right one to become monarch after her mother. Sadly it was not to be. Not even had she been born first.
The words are harsh but it is so true. As a constitutional monarch, the head of state cannot express opinion on public affairs. If a constitutional monarch is not able to keep his or her mouth shut, then he or she has no place in that role.
He's been into politics forever but the ignorant chattel and sheep don't educate themselves about it and assume things they don't know anything about. King Charles is the world's biggest globalist and most powerful man in the world now.
Olivia Coleman is a fine actress but I hated her portrayal of Queen Elizabeth 2nd. She played the Queen according to a script of course but it was cold, hard, frustrated, hurt, tearful, suppressed, confused, unsure, joyless and cruel. I am sure the Queen was none of those things even though she led such an unnatural life. Her duty ruled everything but I’m sure, did a lot to destroy her human nature and natural instincts. God bless her., what a sacrifice.
As a person yes but if you are a monarch who is not elected by the people and is in a privileged position? You cannot make your views public. Once you say a position then the tabloids and the media will assume that it is the position of the Royal Family. That's why you do not see the Queen having any position in the Suez Crisis, Decolonization, Falkland Wars, Abortion, SSM, Brexit, Scottish Independence, etc. The position of the Monarch is as a Head of State but ceremonial in nature. They cannot influence the politics of the country as they were never elected and was in that position by hereditary nature and as the limitation imposed by the Magna Carta and succeeding laws, they shouldn't make their position public. They risk alienating one side of the British Public or even the Commonwealth if they make anything public.
Such a whiney man... always complaining. She is cold, but she has to be. In a world where countless monarchies have been removed (violently), those remaining are left alone with the understanding that they are impartial. So no, the country does not care what you think, you just have to perform. No, the family does not want to hear you complaining about the things they cannot change if they want to remain in their privileged positions..... Also the parallel with the scene after Diana succesfuly completes her tour. He acted just like his mother here, even worse considering him being mad about his mistress feeling bad.
The two best options they had was.. 1. Get Charles marry Camilla and make princess Ane Queen after getting her married to an aristocrat same like Queen Elizabeth. 2. Charles and Diana could have Waited till prince William or harry marries an aristocrat and pass the Crown to them and then married whoever they wished to marry.
Charles is absolutely right. It is poignant irony that Charles realizes he is perhaps too human to be king. The people watching this as some kind of a gotcha for Diana are missing the point.
I admire the Queen, but I think she was totally wrong in this instance. Saying 'thank you' and 'well done' isn't expensive or time consuming and it goes a long way to good family relations.
Oh do shut up Charles! We like to think this is drama based on real people but now we're stuck with a real life version of this spoiled self-obsessed pampered whiny prince--Harry. The queen is right, NO ONE CARES. So maybe I should have said, Oh do shut up harry!
if even a tenth of this relationship is true, Elizabeth is hands down, the worst mother. her spite and guilt dominate every interaction she has with charles
@@Rat_Queen86 You can have a "favorite" (a kid that you generally get along with better), and still not treat your kids differently. I'm not saying it's a good thing to have favorites, but some people's personalities just mesh better. The problem with Elizabeth and Charles is that it's more than not being her favorite; she actively pushes him down and dismisses everything that makes him who he is. As far as this show is concerned, Elizabeth has no real interest actually knowing who her son is, and then she's surprised when he behaves in ways she disapproves of. Ways that could have been avoided if she had bothered to connect with him and try and learn about who he is/what he wants.
Who are you actually kidding? Charles was a selfish, whinging, narcissistic, vindictive and vicious man most of his life. "Who he was" was repulsive to the core. His tyrannical terrorizing of Diana for years proved that. Sickens me that he is now king, thank all the gods that won't last long.
I was once proud of my UEL heritage and admired and respected our late Queen. However, I despise King Charles for his activism, his self-centeredness and his support for the WEF agenda. I now believe that Canada should cut its ties to a foreign monarchy.
I don’t want to say that Olivia Colman is miscast in this, but she played the private QEII all wrong. She erased all traces of QEII’s gentleness that Claire Foy gave her. The only time we heard Claire speak in this angry tone was when she was arguing with Philip about “being lost” and it was a release of years of pented-up rage over his affairs. No way do I believe she would ever speak to Charles like this; this personality doesn’t jibe with Seasons 1&2.
You’re forgetting that times changed by the time we got to Olivia Coleman‘s Queen Elizabeth. People change, we all do. By the time of the 1960s, the world was much different and she had seen so much
@@stevencramsie9172 I agree that people change and the very nature of her demanding role, having to put on that public face day after day no doubt toughened her up. But Colman played her too tough, IMO.
@@pam0626 I agree. I like Olivia Coleman but in her portrayal there's not much of the warmth the Queen could show. Despite her many talents Olivia is my least favorite in this role.
I like these two actors very much, but am relieved I have never watched an episode, and don't intend to - I cant imagine for one minute that they ever had a conversation like this one, no one knows exactly what they have discussed in private. It's wrong to have a drama that many people believe is factual, and because many of the characters it is about are alive today.
Of course she wasn't "really" like this -- or, at least, we'll never know. This series was written with high drama in mind, and -- very likely -- the Crown preferred to engender the least amount of drama possible in situations with her own family and, indeed, with the nation itself.
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
From what I read she was pretty hard core but in her defense she realized that most of her family were pretty much spoiled by priviledge which she mentioned quite often. Also I dont think she ever got over having to take the throne because she wasnt supposed to.
@@ronaldjackson2290 Princess Anne the queen mother and Margaret have spoken out and done as they like partying drinking etc and it didn’t bathe the queen even princess Anne told a reporter to naff off im sorry those rules may apply to Charles because he will be king but not her sister daughter or mother after all rules are made to be broken
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
While the monarch has a unique status, other members of the royal family indeed have their own roles, responsibilities, and, to a degree, platforms to voice opinions. However, there are traditional expectations around the “royal protocol,” which generally encourage members of the royal family to refrain from public expressions of personal opinion on political matters to maintain a neutral stance on politics. While Margarete had a voice and used it, her actions often stirred controversy within the context of royal expectations. Charles as the sovereign „in-waiting“ certainly has to adhere to royal protocol more than every other member of the family. And lastly, the Queen was never wrong 😉
Thankyou but you forgot princess Anne who I mentioned the queen mother was also opinionated as was queen mary the queen dowager when her husband king George v died queen Elizabeth’s grandfather as dud prince Edward and also prince Phillip I studied history not from watching the crown
@@zakhenson9809 That‘s quite impressive indeed. Could you quote some of Princess Anne‘s political statements, just so I can learn from your studies? Maybe not the subtle once that could be interpreted as political statements- like when she refused to shakes US president Donald Trump‘s hand. I missed those clear political statements she made, my bad. Could you help me out?
She told reporters to naff off a man tried to kidnap her in her carriage and she said not bloody likely i never said I can quote from politics I said she was outspoken I wish you wouldn’t take things out of context
She looked bored on royal tours as well and hated the idea of cameras being in Buckingham palace and when she’s with her brothers you can tell what she says goes and she said she never liked jewellery or puffy dresses like princess Margaret queen mother or her mother queen Elizabeth ii she likes staying out of the limelight doing her work and not getting much coverage from the press and says she wants to keep it that way
Olivia Colman and the writers did such a fantastic job depicting the queen's different relationships with her children.
Colman didn’t do it for me as the Queen.
I can't get over how well chosen these actors are. They truly look and act the part.
Churchill was a disaster
Charles was nowhere near as attractive as Josh O’Connor is
Olivia Coleman is a great actress but she looks nothing like the Queen lol
The way he says "predicament" scratches an itch in my brain
Pre,dicament
He couldnt control diana and he was full.of jealousy that the kingdom loved and wanted diana and did not care about him.
Instead of being proud of his wife, he acted like the small man he is - weak. No wonder he preferred Camilla, she catered to his every whim and flattered him. She built up his fragile ego that could not put anyone but himself first. Camilla may be homely and dowdy, but clever.
Must be tough to be a family when your parent is your boss first and your parent second, and neither of you ever clock out.
I'm always shocked when people put X before their kids (religion, excellence in sports or academics, etc.) but that's actually what's happening here, too. That's true
Love how for the final burn on top of that fine burn was her basically saying "Both" without saying the word both and just repeating an aspect of her earlier words
what a sweet lady .... warmth and caring all over
Thats DRIPPING with sarcasm. Imagine never being shown love by your own mother.
In fairness, Prince Charles' "I have a beating heart" at 3:11 was particularly harsh. But the Queen hadn't the luxury of really losing her temper, so she goes to "nobody wants to hear it."
She's tough, but I get that. I'm the son of a Marine & the grandson of a three-war veteran. I know toughness. I respect it. Say what you like about her, but she stuck by her principles. You always knew exactly where you stood with her. If England's going to keep a monarchy in the 21st century, people like her have to run it, or it won't work. King Charles has big shoes to fill, and now that he's finally gotten the throne, he's gotten sick. Not at all surprising. How many people have to start a new job they've been waiting for all their lives at 73? Most people have long since retired by that age.
I hope Princess Catherine is in good health. If King Charles gets too sick to stay king, Prince William's going to need her at her best.
Charles is an adult in this scene. The reality of his position is he is not allowed to have an opinion. She is making him face reality.
Mummy
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Nobody wants to hear it. Speaks volumes
I think deep down Charles is a real complicated but compassionate man; but was bottled down by his standing.
@@jakecrawford1438as was the last Prince of Wales 1901-10 when his mother Queen Victoria belittled every moment cos of Albert’s death she blamed HIM FOR
DIANA DID THE TV interview FULL ON as did HARRY YEARS LATER COS THE ROYALS don’t wanna know !!!
@@Kandlelite And neither do the rest of us.
Charles is awful but the way he says 'Mummy.. i have a voice' is so sad... it's like he become a small little boy all over again....
I half expected him to break into "A Piece of Sky"
I actually felt I could relate to Charles in season 3. Then season 4 happened, then season 5. I have yet to watch season 6, but if the point of this scene is to flesh out duty's links to intergenerational trauma, then job well done.
She's actually right in this matter: No modern politician, not even Charles' later "heartfelt friend" Tony Blair, would be grateful if a crown prince, king or queen openly interfered in day-to-day politics. But I don't think King George ever treated his daughter with such icy contempt as she does here with her son and crown prince - if this conversation is anything like the facts, Elizabeth must have had other role models. By the way, Charles' "mission" was quite successful: the "emotional" Welsh agreed with their prince to such an extent that plans for rebellion and secession were off the table for the time being, and at some point Wales was given self-government rights just like the Scottish part of the country.
Sometimes you have to tell a grown child their expectations are no longer appropriate.
Possibly King George was able to treat his daughter with respect and not contempt because she was intelligent and able to take on the role. Charles however is like his father - none too bright, and given to put his foot in his mouth.
As a US citizen, this present day expectation of the monarchy has always struck me as odd. I understand it to some degree, in that you don’t want a hereditary political player, but as too often politics interweave with basic right versus wrong views, it does seem odd you don’t want the monarchy to stand for what is right. Though not a fan of Charles, in this one instance, I tend to agree with him. He was exercising active listening and repeating back what he was hearing from the people of Wales. And per your own comment, they FELT heard, and that made all the difference to them. I think I do understand the difficulty of walking that line.
It's difficult to deny that a certain ability to respond lessened in her over the years. To the point where it mostly died. At least, that is what's shown here. Where once was a place of passion is now a place of emptiness. As that is part of the job. But the job can only ever be so large...right?? There is a world outside of that job too. And it's just as real as any other world.
@@callmeswivelhips8229 You mean she got set in her ways as she got old, as most people do when they get old?
The most cruel scene of the entire show. And the most incredible thing is that later on in life, Charles crashed Diana's personality because she was shadowing his character, a cry-baby, the Queen knew that
They both wanted to be mothered. She never had a present mother and he had a very distant emotionally unavailable one. They were both painfully immature and needy. He was looking for a mother which he found in Camilla, she was looking for a supportive, loving and protective man, which she never found. Charles hated her and put her down because he was envious of her success, she was the star of the show, not him, and he loathed her for that. At the same time she enjoyed it a little bit too much and went out of her way to eclipse the royals.
Charles is a weak man.
He's a spineless King.
@@Ariana-wv4pf Diana eclipsed them even when she wasn't trying. She eclipsed them by being warm, humane. They had a cold demeanour, their frosty attitude was dated back to Queen Mary, who encouraged Elizabeth to be cold, frosty.
@@stephenpmurphy591 It's not real, dipshit.
The way the part about not excisiting or breathing mirroed what Elizabeth was told herelf when she was young is chef kisses
The last line - cold hearted.
What an actress she is
One of the best
She is awesome
I wonder who were Elizabeth's role models, because, and according to this show, King George was never icy or emotionally distant with his daughters, quite the contrary, he adored them and was a loving father.
Charles was a father for ten years before becoming King. Elizabeth became queen much younger, and was being prepped for the role even earlier, being the direct heir, while her father was expected to fall down the line of succession once David settled down and had babies. But Anne has actually said her parents were very loving behind closed doors. They were just often away
@@MsJubjubbird You are ignorant... William was born 42 years ago. 42>10 ten. Moron.
Her mother of course. The Queen Mother was extremely mean and selfish.
@@MsJubjubbird
"Charles was a father for 10 years before becoming king"
Ha?
You do realize both boys were in their late 30s/early 40s when Charles, their father, became King.
What are you even talking about???
@@Ariana-wv4pf probably a typo
Moral of story of this segment: Keep a damn poker face will ya!
This scene to me empathizes what many in America thinks.....the Royal Family is basically the world richest welfare household. The Queen know this. She understands the popularity of the Royals is only as strong as the people allow it to be. To choose a side that will bring disfavor to the masses will eventually break that delicate balance and the need of the monarchy will be no more. I believe Britain is starting to experience that now (2024) with all the protests and marches on the street. The actual topic is not important, who is allowing that topic to exist is.
I think one of the best lines about the Royal Family actually came from a comedy, King Ralph. Peter O'Toole's character stated (paraphrasing) "A king is not allowed to solve problem, unfortunately it does not stop him from causing them."
Diderot said "People will only be free when the last king is strangled with he entrails of the last priest" the culture wars are merely a distraction from the class war, which is the real issue.
The price he paid for living his entire life in absolute luxury with people waiting on him day and night. If he wanted his voice heard, he could have walked away from it all, and maybe someone would have listened. But he chose the luxurious existence. Nobody held a gun to his head.
That would've been very hard to do, given the precedent of his uncle. He'd have not only lost luxury, but his whole family, only to be thrown out into a world in which he had no skills to survive. Hasn't worked out so well for Harry, and he has a wife with Hollywood connections.
You are correct. He could have " walked away".
@@jackuzi8252 How hasn't it worked out for Harry? It seems like Harry and Megan are doing quite well for themselves.
@@InTheMourning421 Well, he's living on another continent from where he was born and raised, and apparently none of his family talk to him. I'm not sure they're doing "quite well" but they get by because, as I wrote, his wife has Hollywood connections.
@@InTheMourning421 he's an outcast, his family officially cut ties with him and Megan. He is living just like his great-uncle did after his abdication to the crown, even worse because Edward was at least on same continent but Harry lives on the other side of the world
So many seasons building up Charles as a sympathetic person, so many. And then he has to go and demand an inkwell to be moved 🤦
I mean, his mother had JUST died...he's allowed to be a bit snippy.
Growing up in a family of Irish Catholics, I had nothing but resent for the royals, whilst simultaneously knowing absolutely zero about them. This show, while sometimes embellishing the facts for the sake of entertainment and drama, has provided me with a new viewpoint I hadn't considered before. One of sympathy and compassion for people denied the right to be people.
Oh please. They could end this whole pathetic farce tomorrow if they wanted to. "Royal family as victims" makes a good TV show but that's all. Certain members of the royal family (eg Diana) as victims of other members, yes -- but that's family dynamics.
@@remycallie Have you accepted that this is drama - not historical fact?
@@Rosemary-vf5ei Yes, that's exactly what I just said. This is the "royal family as victims" TV show. It garners sympathy for the "poor" royals but has no basis in reality.
Did she ever consider Queen Mary came from an antiquated time, where emotional constipation and coldness were normalized by the upper class? She took her literally, without question. Here lies within the grave mistake of not using your own judgements and common sense rather than following a script only because thats how its always been done.
Couldn't agree more
Queen Elizabeth not Mary
Queen Elizabeth not Mary
@@sunflo225 Queen Mary, it was who gave her the advice.
Well said!!
As a human charles is right he also wanted to take support from outsiders and common people (when diana gave interview to seek help from public the whole family made her feel all alone and ignored her like she never wxist alive worst behaviour of queen and her family towards diana ) . But as a queen, lilibet is correctly following rules books and wants her son to do so as he is future heir . Both are correct in their own views .
I support charles here because he is not wholly by british rule book but also a human with heart ❤❤but the tough system changed him 😢😢😢😢
Many monarchies got abolished in the history simply bcz the ruler followed his heart.
@@fahimfaisalmahir567 u r right ruler must follow gods principles. the british queen elizabeth ii and family are Christian people's. If they followed whatever principles given by god then things might have been different .
Charles only had a wife to get an heir and a spare for the throne. Poor Dianna, they tried to make out she was crazy and she was with love for Charles, she was used abused and gaslighted by a narcissistic Charles,I find him disgusting, a liar and cheat, he should never have been king a and Camilla should never have been queen. Any wonder people are turning away from the Monarchy, they lost my support many years ago.
They take the abdication really seriously, I do think the "you have to be impartial" is based on the Duke of Windsor who followed his own heart to marry Wallis Simpson who bring a lot of troubles to the Monarchy.
They make sure that would never happen anymore.
@@loganmcallen9067WRONG. 3 of ER's children plus her sister divorced. And Phillip simply moved out.
It is ironic to think - when Olivia Colman is made a dame (and it has to happen at some point) it will be Charles who gives it to her.
Awkward!!! :P
Well, it could be William if Charles hasn’t inherited his mother’s and the Queen Mother’s near immortality
3:25 this is one of many reason why the Queen gatekeeping the crown from Charles. To be a Royal is to be judged everyday by its subjects. Showing anything will provoke everything, just like the small kindnesses of Diana or Charles's scandal. On the other hand, Charles want to "undress" himself to the public by showing his feelings. Such vulgarity.....
The United Kingdom did well when women were on the throne: Queen Elizabeth the First, Second, and Queen Victoria. Queen Elizabeth firmly established a protestant Church named the Church of England, and Queen Victoria expanded the English (words) to all parts of the world. Queen Elizabeth, the second's affect and effect will be judged by history. The story to be continued.
Perhaps the Queen was mad because she KNOWS Charles was often ignored by her. To always excuse any mistake blaming “duty” very convenient.
Do we know that this conversation ever took place - given that The Crown has been described as fiction based on some facts - meaning that some of these events never happened. Who would have known about this conversation?
Given that the monarch is supposed to be impartial; HMTQ was not wrong. It wasn't the message, it was the way it was delivered
that cut Charles to the core. But Charles gave back as good as he got by insinuating that his mother was cold and unfeeling! That
must have hurt the Queen. Somehow, I think that Charles might have had more success discussing his Wales trip with his grandmother.
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
@@zakhenson9809 You're not wrong. However, it can be a difficult thing to consider the life experience of Elizabeth that led her to this point in the first place. "The crown must win...must always win." I can see no further proof than this of how she took that piece of advice to heart. And then I think back to what her father said to Phillip, her fiance. His job is to love her. And I think this scene in particular reveals to us at least some of what loving her entailed. In the specific context of this television program anyway.
damn, she definitely took some life out of him with that one
A family where children have to make an official appointment via palace offices and personal secretaries and seek audience to speak for 10 minutes to their own mother or father and, when they manage to secure that appointment, they're talked to as Charles is in this scene (and I don't think reality was much different) is not a functional family. In a modern world, it's actually a recipe for disaster. This sort of formality and coldness may have been suited to the stiff-upper-lip times, when such an attitude was not unheard of even in normal families, but in this day and age that's simply stupid and is asking for troubles, troubles which eventually hit the Queen. That advice that she took and followed word for word from her grandmother turned out to be very poor because it almost destroyed her family in an era of emotional liberation which her grandmother could not possibly foresee, let alone understand.
Don’t give hysteria some sort of fancy name called ‘emotional liberty’. Showing emotions in public is vulnerability. Queen Mary was 100% right. People will mostly use that against you rather than showing support. Queen could survive so long with huge public support bcz she never let public know her true emotions whereas all other members of the family failed to do so and they got fried by people.
So true!
Allow me to play the world’s smallest violin. When you have dozens of palaces, hundreds of people at your service, red carpet everywhere you go, millions of the tax payers’ money, a life of unimaginable confort and luxury, so what if you are asked to give up some things? Opinions? Privacy? Anonymity? I don’t feel bad for any of them. Not for Charles not for William not for Harry of their wives and kids. People can’t afford food or heating in the dead of winter. Formality is a small price to pay for all their privileges.
@@sakaya9878OH SHUSH it ‘ ENGERY crisis 😂🤣😂🤣😂 NONONE wants to hear you
@@sakaya9878let me play the SMALLEST of 🎻 THE ROYALS are NOT CHOSEN by you OR ANY GOVERNMENT they are chosen BY GOD to lead they are CROWNED IN HIS CHURCH NOT A OFFICE BLOCK you’re jealous you haven’t got what they have and it shows !! Probably in a council Estate somewhere moaning and being nasty cos of your “opinion “ which actually is A STATEMENT OF your bitterness and resentment frankly !!! Yes they have a privilege life it’s NOT ONE for everyone there is a PECKING PRIVILEGE ORDER which btw you couldn’t hack !
How any man could choose camilla over Diana i will never never understand.
Not everyone is after aesthetic beauty. Charles has never been the kind of guy to have arm candy or chase models or anything. This is a university educated intellectual who likes gardening, environmental heritage and historical buildings. Diana hadn't finished high school, wanted to go to parties and be a socialite. There was very little in common. Camilla studied at the university of London and liked living in the country with dogs and horses and painting landscapes.
Good point , didn't consider that factor.
not true he went after flossy blondes@@MsJubjubbird
No one ever does. All they see is Dianas looks. They don't look at the personalities of Charles, Diana and Camilla@user-iw9yo9ul3o
@@Kimllg88 not really no. He was not a playboy prince. If they were blonde it was just a coincidence
The Queen and Charles are very temperamentally different. In personality he’s a lot more like his father, The Queen was a lot more like her father…stoic, reserved and concerned with duty rather than personal fulfilment.
Charles is without doubt more of a people person than his more aloof mother.
But as cold as it sounds she’s right, it’s cruel in a way but the Monarch does have no right to express a view…their function is constitutional and for them to express a belief undermines Democracy because they are in their position by birth rather than popular decree
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
@@zakhenson9809 but he’s going to be the monarch. That’s the point, you spend your whole life telling people what you think before you take the throne. Even if you remain impartial on the throne (which he has)…you’ve undermined the system.
And it is the whole family, you couldn’t have The Duke of Edinburgh publicly taking a view on Scottish independence for example
Princess Anne the queen mother and Margaret have spoken out and done as they like partying drinking etc and it didn’t bathe the queen even princess Anne told a reporter to naff off im sorry those rules may apply to Charles because he will be king but not her sister daughter or mother after all rules are made to be broken
@@zakhenson9809 do you know what any of these people’s opinions are on political issues or constitutional matters?
I also love how she’s referring to the royal family hiding feelings being impartial when queen mary said just the monarch prince Edward vii who divorced wasn’t impartial or silent and he was like that as a prince long before he was king
She was fuming because he said she had no character and was only good for cutting ribbons, after all she has been through to that point he gave her no credit.
This show makes it look like the queen was the only member of that family that didn't complain all the time. Ech.
She wasn't complaining, because she was in the privileged position of doling out the punishment, at least she'd seek respite by punishing the others.
Charles is such a putz...
These words seemed calculated cold and unlike the queen we knew. I couldn't imagine her being so cold like that
…….she is right STILL!
Sorely missed. XXXXX American here but sobbed my heart out the day she passed. from Portugal
"in a box, a box"
Keep it coming with the crown videos please. My favorite show on Netflix.
❤ Absolutely!!!
Sadly when the Princess of Wales chooses to stay silent whilst recovering from surgery, people fill the silence with nonsense.
But why release a fake photo and lie about it?
@@dosman3458 she didn't lie about it. If she wanted to lie she would have done a better job!
I don't understand why some people have got so upset. And it's gone way too far. One major news broadcaster published the meta data of the image, saying the exact time it was edited, the camera used, the shutter speed of the image etc. That's creepy af. No wonder they don't share much, that's near stalker levels of obsession under the guise of 'news'. Diana was trailed by paps till it killed her. Kate has to negotiate every random on the street having a camera and the ability to upload images to the internet immediately. No wonder she disappeared.
@@dosman3458 It's not a fake photo it's a photoshopped photo which 99% of public photographs are anyway lol
@@frname7665It’s fake, a composite. Why do you think they aren’t releasing the unedited original? It’s because it doesn’t exist and the idea that’s it’s ok for a member of the royal family to disseminate misinformation is fake the birds. Why should we believe anything she says or does from now on now that she has been shown to have zero integrity?
so fake...@@frname7665
Diana was a princess through marriage
Considering he made a speech which could have scandalised and weakened the monarchy; she went quite lightly on him.
The part of the speech that HM complained about was not in the speech. Charles read it as written. There was no secret message to the Welsh, it was fictionalized like most of "The Crown."
@@kevinmorgan8534it’s all fiction I’m responding to a scene, that’s all.
Such cold hearts in this family! They don’t care about nothing or no one , but their image! So sad
It’s called PROTOCOL!! And rank that’s why
There’s a reason why I say The Royals are more objectified than strippers on a pole.
@@Kandlelite Protocol doesn't force them to act distant and cold with each other. That's a choice Elizabeth made, and her son's insecurity is the consequence of that choice.
THEY ARE DUTY BOUND AND SEE EVERYTHING THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR LENS. THEY ARE RAISED TO KEEP THEIR EMOTIONS UNDER CONTROL IN PUBLIC AND IN THIS AGE OF TELL ALL BOOKS, BLUBBERY TRUE CONFESSIONS, INTERVIEWS WITH OPRAH WHERE THEY WHINE INCESSANTLY I FIND THEIR DIGNITY ADMIRABLE.
It’s so they don’t get booted out
The Queen and Philip both knew Charles was too weak to be King and they were correct. She lived as long as she could. The Grifters shortened her life. After her passing Weak Charles and Wicked Camilia let the Monarchy crumble. William the Cad is struggling to put it back together on the strengh of Princess Catherine who he has treated shabbily.
actually makes me pity him having a mother like that
What Charles is missing is that, in a Constitutional monarchy, the hereditary nature of his position precludes his having an opinion. The minute he takes a side, then he is entering politics. The obvious response to that is, why should your opinion matter more than anyone else?
You want an opinion, resign your princely position and run for office. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut and enjoy the perks of royalty.
If I'm not mistaken the thinking too is that once one member of the monarchy takes a side it's assumed the whole monarchy feels the same. Since they're not allowed to be individuals and all.
One of the greatest scenes!
Yes. But did it ever happen or, like most of The Crown, was it more fiction?
Not a whiner, cursed by a sister and son who do little else.
Sorry I love how Josh shows what a weak girl Charles is. Charles wants the attention Diana got but will never get it. Camilla is the same. People want William and Catherine than Charles and Camilla.
According to people who knew the Royal Family, they always thought that Anne would have been the right one to become monarch after her mother. Sadly it was not to be. Not even had she been born first.
The words are harsh but it is so true. As a constitutional monarch, the head of state cannot express opinion on public affairs. If a constitutional monarch is not able to keep his or her mouth shut, then he or she has no place in that role.
Read for filth with a few words, "no one wants to hear it".😳
Prince Charles is just a spoiled & ungrateful brat. I never liked him.
Neither did his mother. That's the problem. Only people who were completely neglected and unloved by their parents know what his life was like.
Poor Charles.
Queen Elizabeth was very cold to Charles. I almost felt sorry for him, but then I recovered. lol
All he was asking for was jist a simple bit of praise for his achievement. I love her as a queen but hated her as a mother in this show.
They present Charles as a pompous twit. Probably accurate.
He should not be king.
Did you know that Charles is technically the landlord of 80% of the world’s privately owned land? Maybe he should just STFU.
Not how hereditary monarchy works, lol.@@jws1948ja
@@jws1948ja would Anne have been better? Probably. He’s doing a fine job though. Far more warm and accessible that his mother was.
He's been into politics forever but the ignorant chattel and sheep don't educate themselves about it and assume things they don't know anything about. King Charles is the world's biggest globalist and most powerful man in the world now.
She was so disappointed in him
This Scene Is Sad And SO POWERFUL😢 The Queen Resentment For Charles Went Deeper Than His Marriage, It Was Something More Personal🤔
She contradicted herself
The way Charles was treated by his parents was awful 😢 the crown made me actually really care for Charles😢❤
I cannot stand that Camilla and Charles.
Olivia Coleman is a fine actress but I hated her portrayal of Queen Elizabeth 2nd. She played the Queen according to a script of course but it was cold, hard, frustrated, hurt, tearful, suppressed, confused, unsure, joyless and cruel. I am sure the Queen was none of those things even though she led such an unnatural life. Her duty ruled everything but I’m sure, did a lot to destroy her human nature and natural instincts. God bless her., what a sacrifice.
I do wonder at this myself. This portrayal seems fanciful at times.
Ironic how Diana said all those things to Charles.
i agree with Charles here 200%
As a person yes but if you are a monarch who is not elected by the people and is in a privileged position? You cannot make your views public. Once you say a position then the tabloids and the media will assume that it is the position of the Royal Family. That's why you do not see the Queen having any position in the Suez Crisis, Decolonization, Falkland Wars, Abortion, SSM, Brexit, Scottish Independence, etc. The position of the Monarch is as a Head of State but ceremonial in nature. They cannot influence the politics of the country as they were never elected and was in that position by hereditary nature and as the limitation imposed by the Magna Carta and succeeding laws, they shouldn't make their position public. They risk alienating one side of the British Public or even the Commonwealth if they make anything public.
I can’t tell you how many times my mom has put me in my place whilst moisturizing her hands before bed. Must be a WASP thing.
Such a whiney man... always complaining. She is cold, but she has to be. In a world where countless monarchies have been removed (violently), those remaining are left alone with the understanding that they are impartial. So no, the country does not care what you think, you just have to perform. No, the family does not want to hear you complaining about the things they cannot change if they want to remain in their privileged positions..... Also the parallel with the scene after Diana succesfuly completes her tour. He acted just like his mother here, even worse considering him being mad about his mistress feeling bad.
The two best options they had was..
1. Get Charles marry Camilla and make princess Ane Queen after getting her married to an aristocrat same like Queen Elizabeth.
2. Charles and Diana could have Waited till prince William or harry marries an aristocrat and pass the Crown to them and then married whoever they wished to marry.
Charles is absolutely right. It is poignant irony that Charles realizes he is perhaps too human to be king. The people watching this as some kind of a gotcha for Diana are missing the point.
Wow, we now know who harry takes after
The Queen gets all GOT on poor Charles.
Thank God I’m not royal. It must be a horrible existence. Not to show your true feelings. 😢
I admire the Queen, but I think she was totally wrong in this instance. Saying 'thank you' and 'well done' isn't expensive or time consuming and it goes a long way to good family relations.
He’s always been a plonker.
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Oh do shut up Charles! We like to think this is drama based on real people but now we're stuck with a real life version of this spoiled self-obsessed pampered whiny prince--Harry. The queen is right, NO ONE CARES. So maybe I should have said, Oh do shut up harry!
He certainly shouldn't have written that damn book...
Charles really thinks the monarchy would survive getting involved in politics.
He will be proven WRONG big time. His Darling Boy is going to bring down the monarchy
She was the queen
"she's in a box , in a box . in a box"
She was doing her job, Charles was/is not a good man and/or person. In my opinion
That's a hell of an assessment of a person you've never met.
You just say it because everybody hates him, and you don't even know him.
Charles is a good person. The Dianas of this world, with all their issues, are impossible to live with for long
His own father didn’t have any confidence in him.
Epic scene
You showed who you are and a lot of peope doesn't like it.
How much is reality and how much is made up know one will ever know
Just a reminder folks. This is fiction with real peoples names.
But then gets mad at Diana for doing something and being a symbol
Oldest son always gets in the neck from mum 😂
Middle children u lucky sods
if even a tenth of this relationship is true, Elizabeth is hands down, the worst mother. her spite and guilt dominate every interaction she has with charles
He wasn’t her favorite. That was Prince Andrew. Even though he embarrassed the monarchy.
@@rykenshaving a favourite child so obviously is disgusting and damaging
No wonder Charles was/is so messed up
I agree. She was the consulate a hole
@@Rat_Queen86 You can have a "favorite" (a kid that you generally get along with better), and still not treat your kids differently. I'm not saying it's a good thing to have favorites, but some people's personalities just mesh better.
The problem with Elizabeth and Charles is that it's more than not being her favorite; she actively pushes him down and dismisses everything that makes him who he is. As far as this show is concerned, Elizabeth has no real interest actually knowing who her son is, and then she's surprised when he behaves in ways she disapproves of. Ways that could have been avoided if she had bothered to connect with him and try and learn about who he is/what he wants.
Who are you actually kidding? Charles was a selfish, whinging, narcissistic, vindictive and vicious man most of his life. "Who he was" was repulsive to the core. His tyrannical terrorizing of Diana for years proved that. Sickens me that he is now king, thank all the gods that won't last long.
I was once proud of my UEL heritage and admired and respected our late Queen. However, I despise King Charles for his activism, his self-centeredness and his support for the WEF agenda. I now believe that Canada should cut its ties to a foreign monarchy.
I don’t want to say that Olivia Colman is miscast in this, but she played the private QEII all wrong. She erased all traces of QEII’s gentleness that Claire Foy gave her. The only time we heard Claire speak in this angry tone was when she was arguing with Philip about “being lost” and it was a release of years of pented-up rage over his affairs. No way do I believe she would ever speak to Charles like this; this personality doesn’t jibe with Seasons 1&2.
You’re forgetting that times changed by the time we got to Olivia Coleman‘s Queen Elizabeth. People change, we all do. By the time of the 1960s, the world was much different and she had seen so much
@@stevencramsie9172 I agree that people change and the very nature of her demanding role, having to put on that public face day after day no doubt toughened her up. But Colman played her too tough, IMO.
@@pam0626 I agree. I like Olivia Coleman but in her portrayal there's not much of the warmth the Queen could show. Despite her many talents Olivia is my least favorite in this role.
@@cherylhulting1301 Colman’s QEII was more intimidating than Thatcher.
oh boohoo not like they couldn't conclude the whole charade if they actually wanted to
Love the clumsy writing, "when your great-grandmother Queen Mary", as if Charles had no idea who she meant.
Charles has a character? Really?
If this conversation truly happened, this may be why King Charles isn't doing anything about the H & M debacle.
I’m not sure what he is supposed to do?
No one wants to hear it what a totally messed up world they live in it’s anything but normal
They are not a normal family. They are ROYALS. They dont get the luxury of being normal
What did do wrong? I don't understand why she is mad at him.
His speech was too personal.
She has ice water running through her veins!
Well she was very misogynistic like her husband who cheated on her repeatedly.
Perhaps she was a narcissist? All misogynists are regardless of whether they're male or female.
@@Cherrylipgloss2025how was she misogynistic?
I like these two actors very much, but am relieved I have never watched an episode, and don't intend to - I cant imagine for one minute that they ever had a conversation like this one, no one knows exactly what they have discussed in private. It's wrong to have a drama that many people believe is factual, and because many of the characters it is about are alive today.
Rather too much of a voice for my liking 😂😂😂
Multi Billionaires and their unique problems.
Oh I'm sure your issues should take center stage then?
If the Queen was really like this then she must have been a terrible mother! 😒.
Of course she wasn't "really" like this -- or, at least, we'll never know. This series was written with high drama in mind, and -- very likely -- the Crown preferred to engender the least amount of drama possible in situations with her own family and, indeed, with the nation itself.
It would have probably been more along the lines but far less aggression
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
From what I read she was pretty hard core but in her defense she realized that most of her family were pretty much spoiled by priviledge which she mentioned quite often. Also I dont think she ever got over having to take the throne because she wasnt supposed to.
@@ronaldjackson2290 Princess Anne the queen mother and Margaret have spoken out and done as they like partying drinking etc and it didn’t bathe the queen even princess Anne told a reporter to naff off im sorry those rules may apply to Charles because he will be king but not her sister daughter or mother after all rules are made to be broken
Charles isn’t the monarch though she’s talking about as if the whole family shouldn’t have a voice or opinion or exist what she is talking about was said from queen mary is just the monarch that doesn’t apply to her son princess Margaret didn’t do as her sister said she had a voice and used it so did princess Anne I’m sorry the queen is wrong
While the monarch has a unique status, other members of the royal family indeed have their own roles, responsibilities, and, to a degree, platforms to voice opinions. However, there are traditional expectations around the “royal protocol,” which generally encourage members of the royal family to refrain from public expressions of personal opinion on political matters to maintain a neutral stance on politics.
While Margarete had a voice and used it, her actions often stirred controversy within the context of royal expectations. Charles as the sovereign „in-waiting“ certainly has to adhere to royal protocol more than every other member of the family. And lastly, the Queen was never wrong 😉
Thankyou but you forgot princess Anne who I mentioned the queen mother was also opinionated as was queen mary the queen dowager when her husband king George v died queen Elizabeth’s grandfather as dud prince Edward and also prince Phillip I studied history not from watching the crown
@@zakhenson9809 That‘s quite impressive indeed. Could you quote some of Princess Anne‘s political statements, just so I can learn from your studies? Maybe not the subtle once that could be interpreted as political statements- like when she refused to shakes US president Donald Trump‘s hand. I missed those clear political statements she made, my bad. Could you help me out?
She told reporters to naff off a man tried to kidnap her in her carriage and she said not bloody likely i never said I can quote from politics I said she was outspoken I wish you wouldn’t take things out of context
She looked bored on royal tours as well and hated the idea of cameras being in Buckingham palace and when she’s with her brothers you can tell what she says goes and she said she never liked jewellery or puffy dresses like princess Margaret queen mother or her mother queen Elizabeth ii she likes staying out of the limelight doing her work and not getting much coverage from the press and says she wants to keep it that way