The Queen Is Alerted About the Forming Coup | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Jason Watkins)
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- Elizabeth (Olivia Colman) is having a good time on her trip and opens up to Porchie. However, a phone call from Wilson (Jason Watkins) changes everything as he reveals that a coup is being plotted involving a senior member of the royal family.
From Season 3, Episode 5: Coup
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Oddly enough, if Edward VIII had not abdicated, whether he married Wallis or not, he would have reigned until he died in 1972, and Elizabeth would have still inherited the throne as a middle-aged woman, and she and her immediate family would have had a more 'normal' life for another thirty years.
You just gave me something to ponder. Poor Margret might have been able to marry her first love.
@@johnhagans2190 Unfortunately no. She still was no further than 5th to the throne so marriage's act was in power over her.
BUT, the Royal Marriage Act specifies that the monarch decides on the approval. In this hypothetical, with Edward still King, he is the one to make the decision to allow the marriage to Peter Townsend or not. The thing is, if Margaret had violated the Act and married without Elizabeth's permission (or Edward in this case), the way I understand the Act on casual reading is that it nullifies the marriage and any children from it, but it wouldn't have removed Margaret herself from the succession line. Maybe I'm wrong on that last part, or maybe she loses her royal titles and perks (The Crown implies this was important to Margaret)....but if she ends up becoming Queen those would all come back and she could (re)marry who she wishes. (No such luck for any kids though, her becoming Queen would not legitimize them without an act of Parliament)
A excellent point most people miss ,she would have still becone Queen
and the UK very well may have ended up as a German satellite or Edward would have been removed forcibly. Edward was a Nazi sympathizer.
Her facial expressions during the phone call and afterwards were all you needed to know that Her Majesty was big mad at Dickie.
ROFL!! Not big mad!
There’s no reason to believe this isn’t how it happened. But do keep in mind you are watching a creative portrayal-full of we creative license.
"Drink up, Porchy. We're going home."
Love how the writing explores the dual sides of Queen Elizabeth in the series... the one that wonders and yearns for a life she once dreamt of and her role as monarch and queen. You can see how it transitions the moment she takes the call.
The abruptness of that collision, the stakes, and the extreme contrast between her identities is the essence of the scene, yes
In this scene, she essentially admits what she wanted.
When she was a Princess, and she was on the tour with Phillip, she was a carefree young married woman.
That life ended on that tour.
Funnyly enough King George III was the same he never wanted to be a King he just wanted to live o a farm or estate and grow fruit and vegetables and tend to his horses.
There were very few people that she could let her hair down with. Porchie was one. Her dresser was another. Which is why King Chuck took her grace and favor home from her and would not give her another one until she signed a stringent NDA. She know ALL THE DIRT about all of them.
It makes me wonder... did she set up Mountbatten to get blown up by the IRA because he was a pain in the neck for her?
You’d think Dickie would remember how easily monarchies can topple. He was born a prince. His father, also Louis, was in the British Navy. He renounced the family’s German royal titles during WWI at the behest of King George V. He changed the surname Battenberg to Mountbatten. He was created the 1st Marquess of Milford Haven for his service to the British Empire. Did Dickie, 1st Earl Mountbatten of Burma, think the British royals were somehow immune?
"Cahoots" is word you wished was used more often.
As an American, I thought only we used it. But it works in this context.
_I was in cahoots with your mom last night._
Am I doing it right?
e.g., as in Michael Cohen was "in cahoots" with Donald Trump...George, Canada
@@georgeschaut2178 Actually, Mike Cohen was more in cahoots with Stormy, if you take my meaning.
You wish it was used more often. I use it at every possible opportunity, which is perhaps 3-4 times annually (though I'm not sure exactly the number).
The look on Porchy's face said it all. The Queen basically acknowledged the "what might have been" between the two of them.
Nope. She and Porchy were never going to be anything more. than friends. Phillip was the only man she ever loved.
But would she have ever met Philip if her uncle hadn't abdicated? If the abdication hadn't radically changed her life and her private expectations? She'd have lived the life of a distant cousin apart from the pageantry of royal life. In that context, she and Porchy would have been an ideal match. That's the context of the conversation. @@Rumkitty2000
@joshmccollen700 Yes. Phillip was Uncle"Dickie" Mountbatten's nephew and lived with him during school holidays. She and Phillip are 3rd or 4th cousins. Mountbatten would have. Engineered a meeting one way or another. Elizabeth would still be Heir to the Throne, and Lord Mountbatten was very ambitious. They first .met at a wedding before the war at age 13. He was 18. .Mountbatten would still have gotten Elizabeth to be escorted around a Naval ship by Phillip. She would still have been part of the group of young women 6 went to see It
She was 16, and he was 20 or 21, then andhe asked if she. Could write to her. The rest is. History!
A classic case of kissing cousins😮
@@Rumkitty2000 Elizabeth wouldn't have been heir for long, if her uncle hadn't abdicated, he would have had to give up Wallis, and would have married someone who would likely have had his children.
Accidental monarch or not, Queen Elizabeth was a true monarch and leader. Even if accidental, we see that it is those who do not hunger for power that become true leaders.
I wonder how she would have reacted if someone tried to take her throne. Elizabeth 2 didn't have that much obstacles in her reign, it was just hiccups here or there unlike Elizabeth 1.
She wasn’t an accidental monarch. Everyone knew she was going to be queen because Edward was a chronic bachelor. He met Wallis Simpson in his mid-30s and any issue from that relationship would have been a non-starter.
There's no such thing as a ''true monarch'' as they're ''chosen by god'' which is paradoxical since she was crowned by men. Ah yes she didn't hunger for it but she didn't give it up though did she? And who exactly did she lead? The Monarch has had no leadership abilities for over 150 years, all she did was live off the golden goose she was born with and dried a damp eye whenever she was told to.
Genuinely can't get how people worship someone who was born into unfathomable wealth, from a family that killed to get their throne and is corrupt to the bloody core.
Even if Edward VIII had not abdicated, if he had had no children, as he didn't, she still would have become queen in 1972.
@@Pontiflex_ No one expected Edward to abdicate much before it happened. A suitable marriage could have been arranged, although it could still have been childless. You never can tell.
Time and time again, they try to paint Queen E II as being the accidental monarch. She was ALWAYS going to be the Queen. Edward had no heirs, and Wallace was incapable of giving him any. Even IF he held the crown until he died, she was going to be Queen. There was never a chance that she wouldn't be.
She would not have been queen because he was never going to be allowed to marry Wallis Simpson. If he had played the game that was expected of him, he would have married who he was directed to marry, produced an heir, and kept Wallace Simpson as a side chick.
There was always the chance Edward VIII would have come to his senses and married someone who could give him heirs.
Well, if Edward VII would have married someone whose children would have been accepted as his heirs, then she wouldn't have have been Queen.
@@tarawrr20 But that was not expected to happen. And Edward was in his 40s when he got the throne. Elizabeth was "in line" to get the throne. This means if nothing changes you eventually get the throne. Changes were of course possible. But in this case said change were not expected. Another thing was there are rumors Edward was sterile and this was a contributing factor to his insistence on marrying Wallis. The idea being if you cant have heirs your spouse is irelevant.
And George V always hoped Edward wouldn't have children. He said he didn't want anything between "Bertie and Lilibet" from being on the throne.
Poor Porchy 😢😢😢
The best leaders are those that don't crave power and push themselves to the forefront. That's possibly the reason Elizabeth was such a good Queen. She never really wanted the job...
“The major problem-one of the major problems, for there are several-one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
- Douglas Adams
Well if you ignore all the corruption (some legal) that landed aristocracy even now gets away with and all the problems that causes I think the figurehead bears some responsibility for never lifting a finger except when she needed to keep her family's tax affairs secret
@@chrisdickens4268 The monarch hasn't got that kind of power that you're suggesting.
Beware of those who crave power, better for the reluctant to reign than the wiling.
It's always funny how other ppl who "nvr rlly want the job.." somehow know how to abdicate.
Some powerful acting from Jason Watkins as Prime Minister Harold Wilson.
The music, after the phone call, really adds to the scene.
Such good acting! You can really tell when “Elizabeth” left and “the Queen” came out. Ready to do business
The unlived life - a sentiment to which all of us can relate.
Olivia Colman was the absolute Queen of this series.
catch her in Hot Fuzz. a small role but very entertaining. sorry if her character offends your sensibilities.
I second the above recommendation 👍🏻👍🏻
As do I hot fuzz is a great movie
@@kevinlatham5661Sophie done well
3:56 Leave it with me, Prime Minister.
Basically Queen Elizabeth II says to the Prime Minister “Don’t worry, I’ve got your back. I’ll handle this”.
Elizabeth II had a lot of interesting shortcomings...but she understood very well exactly what the monarchy was in Great Britain during her lifetime. Ever since the Glorious Revolution, it has been Parliament who has had the real power...and a PM threatening to sicc the Republicans on the Royal House is not an idle threat, given the past history of the nations monarchy.
She couldn't handle a piss up in the brewery. A dope.
There has and there will always be a rebpublicion element within the Labour Party but as long as the royals tow the line things are fine.
@jacobdenness8659 This wasn't about Republicans in the Labour party. It was about a corrupt Royal Earl Mountbatten and other senior Royals conspiring with right wing Facists , many of them ex Army to overthrow the democratically elected Government. Fact.
@@jacobdenness8659 Toe the line, not tow, it comes from scratching a line in the sand & standing with your toe touching the line & daring someone (an opponent) to do the same so you can slug it out between the two of you.
Great writing... at the moment that the most personal yearning emerges for a normal life, a private life, the most serious kind of regal responsibility collides with her wishfulness, and she mercilessly steps into her other identity and the sacrifice it demands.
The life unlived. I feel that line
Colman is an excellent actress - she almost convinces you that Queen Elizabeth didn't know about the coup all along.
She is superb.
Perfect for the role.
Olivia Colman is fantastic!
She is lovely....
Always, she's amazing.
Lord Mount Batten also conspired to change the name of Windsor Mount Batten. Churchill took him to one side and had a "quiet" word with him.
What year did that happen in?
Don't believe everything you see and read. All the Mountbatten stories and purely hearsay with no factual evidence to back them up. Of course that's not going to stop writers for TV shows playing up these stories as it makes for compelling drama and when watching shows like the Crown that's exactly how you should take what's being said as a drama and not a documentary.
@@studinthemakingshortly after Elizabeth II’s accession in 1952.
Since she was a married woman to a man who by birth belonged to a foreign royal dynasty (the House of Oldenburg, of which the Kings of Norway and Denmark are family members) people assumed that the Windsor family had gone extinct as far as the British Crown is concerned. But due to intense lobbying behind the scenes by Queen Mary and others the Queen kept the name of the Royal Family as Windsor much to the annoyance of Prince Philip as he would be in his words “the only man in the country forbidden to give his children his name”
(Later on Queen Elizabeth did make a statement in the early 60’s that descendants of the hers who’s not working Royals or without titles may use the surname “Mountbatten-Windsor” and indeed at times even senior royals have at times used that surname.)
I cant believe he was annoyed by that. He married into the Royal Family, it should have been a given that Windsor would be the last name given to the heirs of the crown,.
@@jchavez789it was a real life game of thrones. Makes sense that a deposed lineage would try to re-establish its roots through marriage in a more tolerant society
First of all can I just say that I loved the Queen's fashion choices in S3. From S4 onwards she's dressed like a dowdy frump. But here is a great example of the S3 late-60s early-70s aesthetic. The dress is loose, comfortable and flowery, but essentially has a black background, hints at the way her life as queen has been.
This episode reminds me of “Seven Days In May” by Fletcher Knebel and “A Very British Coup” by Chris Mullen. Both were made into movies and are very good books.
We came that close. Every American should watch that film "7 Days in May" to see how close we did come to being taken over. Even today the threat is from China and Islam but the weakness and laziness comes from within.
I remember both, and how I realized how vulnerable and fragile our society,government and hence our way of life truly is. I shudder to think of the condition we’re in now with the very same situation being presented to us today,without the same strength of character in our current leadership…
BOTH are GREAT!
But ONLY "Seven Days in May" is a MOVIE!
("A Very British Coup" is an English TV SERIES that was on PBS on MASTERPIECE THEATER)
Some of series is so profoundly well done as to be beyond belief.
Keep it coming with the crown videos.please
Olivia Coleman is brilliant. I could watch her for days and still beg the heavens for more time in the week. What an extraordinary actress. I live in fortunate days.
Bad case of job burnout 😮. High level stress for sure .
I know nothing about the details, but imagine the human tragedy of a woman only wanting a quiet comfortable life at the side of an unassuming, unglamorous man. The tragedy of a man seeing the love of his life married to another, living a life he knows she didn't want to live and being unable to do anything.
My Dad & I passed Queen Elizabeth on one of her trips here in Lexington, KY in the 80s, headed out towards the horse farms. I was so little he had to explain to me who she was but I remember that day like yesterday. Never believed there would come a day both were not with us...
She was seething after that phone call. Right on the heels of having a moment of really enjoying part of a day. Imagine doing a job you didn't want or feel fully suited to do for 70+ years. She probably had countless moments like this when she thought, "Good golly! More of this crap?!"
Olivia cleaned houses for a living, prior to her screen/acting success, said she so enjoyed cleaning houses, what a humble person.....
So well written and acted. And for me one of the best directed , acted etc eprisode. :-)
Even the Queen has regrets.
Good Lord she’s good. What a scene.
You can see immediate change in her face when hearing about a "coup" saying "Oh did he? Oh YES? He is done"
"The un-lived life" never a truer word spoken
My recollection is that the "plot" was dismissed instantly by Mountbatten and so it died on the spot.
Maybe. Maybe that's just the official story. 😅 One can never know.
Until a little fishing holiday in Ireland.
The plot was dismissed because it was discovered.
Kinda like how the Business Plot went down here in America.
Was the idea floating around? Absolutely.
Was is it being put into practice? Possibly.
It was promptly dismissed the moment General Butler blew the whistle on it.@@davidhoward4715
One of the involved must have, on reflection, considered it a move to far and grassed the others up
Of course the kiddie fiddler would have denied it
When the Queen picks up the phone (at 02:30), the stairs above her are going down from the right side towards bottom left. On the next scene (at 03:11), stairs are in the opposite direction.
Stairs move in British castles. Haven't you seen Harry potter? 😂
As a Canadian, we really resent Mountbatten for his handling of Dieppe. This is just icing on the cake.
I very much appreciate how this shows humanizes the royals. The Queen must have been an extraordinary strong will lady to continue to carry out her duties without attachment to outcomes
This is what modern European monarchs are meant to do, protect the democratically elected government. Elizabeth did this in 1974. Juan Carlos I in 1981.
It’s also safe for them than putting themselves in the center of power. If they take were to take over the next coup will want their head
The German Kaiser or the King of Italy haven't got that memo. 😅
@@gargoyle7863 nor her representative in Australia, John Kerr, when he dismissed the elected Prime Minister Gough Whitlam
@@gargoyle7863 Were the Kaiser of Germany and the King of Italy modern European monarchs or were they deposed?
@@Pontiflex_ Both.
The look on her face exudes more power than a general at the head of an army, and yet a few words by a duly elected PM remind us that the people have the power. Mountbatten’s initial instincts were spot on - a coup never had a chance.
LOL - the Queen is like the deceived spouse. Always the last to know. 😆
The plot is artistic license. Lord Mountbatten understood the ramifications if he were to be involved in a political coup against the legitimate government as a senior member of the royal family. Also, I do not think the loyalty to the Crown that he and his father had before him could have allowed his allegiance to sway. Political intrigues and dysfunctions caused by World War I brought down the three great monarchies of the Dual Empire, the German Empire, and the Russian Empire, along with some lesser monarchies, therefore, Mountbatten knew if the Crown was to survive, political neutrality was and still is the order of the day.
oh how I feel her sorrows
The right person at the right time!
3:55 This was her "dracarys" moment. Her "Dark Phoenix" moment. My all-time favorite scene in the entire showrun. When she rises up those stairs, she strides like a wrathful, awe-inspiring goddess ready to unleash hellfire on all those who oppose her and those under her protection. Even the fact that she's in this loose, breezy dress in such contrast to her personality at the moment, almost seems to emphasize that a sleeping giant has been awoken. (May God have mercy on Cousin Dicky.) The niceties drop and she ignores everyone else around her. However, you left out the best part, which was, "Drink up, Porchy. We're going home." That was the moment when Porchy saw his darling Lillibet disappear, and Elizabeth Regina, his Queen now giving him a royal command.
I mean I agree but your timestamp is completely off, might want to fix that.
@@flowerfaerie8931 Actually that was intended 😁. I wanted to start things with "Leave it with me, Prime Minister", as the moment when her vulnerabilities, regrets, and self-doubt drop, and then entirely other personality takes over.
man, that's a cringey post.
@@sikandermallu Ah, I see. Nvm then.
The greatest Monarch, Elizabeth The Great
That 'other life' and 'the other thing' are themes to which the storyline returns in the very last episode where the (dead) Queen is in St George's chapel and Philip and her earlier self visit her ....
Porchy's jaw: 😮
Nonce Mountbatten got his just desserts in the end
"Just want to feel normal... now excuse me im going to plot something...dastardly!"
One has to wonder if the matching of the yellow in her dress to the yellow walls as she walks up the stairs at the end of the clip was intentional or just a happy coincedence.
This show was so fucking good.
I often wonder what would've happened if Lord Mountbatten had succeeded in the coup.
Civil War, the north would have erupted, at the very least violence and blood in the streets as authorities tried to quell the protests
death by hanging? Instead they told the IRA he would be fishing on a lake in county Sligo.
Mountbatten opposed the idea of a coup. Mr would never betray his monarch and niece. The idea of overthrowing Wilson's government came from Cecil Harmsworth King.
Civil war probably
I love the Hans Zimmer " Interstellar" theme at the end of this clip. It gives a great gravity to the situation. ( pardon the pun.)
4:10 you see she’s fumin
What the name of the music please
It's part of the season 3 ost and is called "Philip"
The queen should have taken the lift. Too many stairs.
Even a queen should get her steps in!!!
Porchy seems like a likable toff.
Sure bro, start asking for her help by threatening her first.
Warning her, not threatening! And he was right to do so. He could have bypassed her all together, leak the story to the press and consolidate power. But he was decent enough to inform the head of state and have her resolve this family issue.
@@vm2693 Or he could've not antagonize someone who's help he's trying to enlist.
Accusing someone as prominent and respected as Lord Mountbatten would be extremely serious, and could destroy prime minister who did so without proof. Leaking the plot anonymously would be just as bad, since it'd make it seen as if PM is clueless about mounting coup-de-etat.
There are conflicting reports as to whether Mountbatten refused to participate in the plot from the get go, or was chief organizer and stood down only after queen commanded him to do so.
Realistically in latter case, if Wilson did ask queen for help, he would have done so in far more respectful manner.
From what I’ve read, the coup was barely anything, more of a general dissatisfaction than anything thought out. Mountbatten’s involvement is even more debated.
This scene made me sad. Wilson was my favorite among her prime ministers because he seemed so lovable, his pronouncing of Margaret's limericks, and the way he opened up to the Queen. Here he sounds scary and convincing.
Very good series. We bought Netflix just to see it.
Time to call Mi5
Dickie Mountbatten was just one in a long line of men who vastly underestimated Elizabeth because their own egos got in the way of understanding her. But this Elizabeth has already dealt with the old Churchill and his successor (with a sermon garnished with Walter Bagehot) and brushed off her abdicated uncle when he dared to shout at her in an audience (by pressing a bell button and making him understand that the Kingdom can now manage without him). And then his Lordship Mountbatten was stupid enough to ruin her dream vacation in America with his quirky ideas about a coup - which she quickly and thoroughly put an end to.
Later....The Queen on a secure comms line to certain people in Belfast....."He'll be vacationing at his holiday home in Co. Sligo. Try not to make a mess, he'll still be getting a state funeral."
This scene is a new revelation to me, and your comment aligns with where I was able to trace the lead to. Lord Mountbatten wasn't the only one it seems. Those who didn't get the message were sent on permanent vacation, such as Diana. While those who got the message were shown the door, such as Harry and Andrew.
Is there a scene that shows what happens after this?
People forget this is fiction ,I have the most respect for Queen Elizabeth,she was a great queen and a dignified lady ,never a murderous one,some of the stuff on The Crown never happen people !
@@adelaferreira4575 she performed a hit job on Diana after if became public knowledge that Diana was carrying a brown guys baby. Did the same with Meghan. Got her and Harry to move out
As her uncle had no heir to the throne by my understanding, after his death she would've become Queen anyways.
Excuse me but, I am french (with sympathy to QEII, I am enaugh old to have known only Her as Queen of England so Her death was a bit "strange" and disturbing for me, She always been for me "a part of the global picture", like pope JP II), so not familiar with political history of England. Someone could explain to me in simple words what is this "story" of a "coup" against QII ? 🤔 Thanks.
Against the prime minister, not against her
it was the opposite of a coup against QEII. The story was using her name and authority to overthrow the ruling party in the parliament.
In 1974, Britain was in a state of emergency. Inflation was 25%, public sector wages frozen, highest tax rate at 98%, and a combination of coal & transport union strikes plus the oil crisis meant there was insufficient power to run industrial plants so enforcing a 3-day working week. We had two general elections in a year (both just returning Labour governments) and certain elements decided that the government was no longer in control (with Communist sympathetic unions holding them to ransom); thus the idea of a military coup was formed to oust the Wilson government at the end of which Mountbatten would be the figurehead with Queen Elizabeth's "support".
Olivia Coleman is a real gem.
Can we give a shout out to the camera operator on that long up the stairway shot?
Put this woman in everything for god sakes
A very British Coup!!
Even if Her Majesty may have had some private resentment about being thrust into the role of sovereign, you cannot deny that she grew into the role such that the world stopped to shed a tear upon her passing. Rest in Peace, Queen Elizabeth II.
It was that or work in a shop selling tat
Back when this show was good.
The last few seasons really deviated from the first several years.
if only the spider letters showed that this was true
¡Hola, buenas tardes!
@EuDianaMartins Hola, buenas trades! 😊😊🎉
Hello, good evening! 😊
The Queen should immediately have had Wilson taken to the Tower.
Song?
After George VI died, Mountbatten apparently went around telling people that his nephew was now effectively "King of England". (It seems he wasn't much interested in the other home nations).
And that is why Philip was never bestowed the title of Prince Consort.
Nobody is much interested in the other home nations - why would they be?
Prince consort, like queen consort, is a rank, not a title. Prince Philip was prince consort.
@routeman680 I was mistaken in my original comment. The title eas offered to him, but he turned it down. This was after Queen Mary insisted that the family name not be changed to Mountbatten as he had wanted, and as his uncle had been proudly announcing to anyone who'd listen.
Over the years, the subject was raised several times. The first time I heard of it was in 1977 when it was soeculated that as part of the Silver Jubilee, the Duke would me made Prince Consort.
If he had held the title, he would have always been referred to by that title and not Duke of Edinburgh.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 I think you are confusing title, rank and style. Philip held the rank of prince consort from the time Elizabeth acceded in 1952. His title was Prince of the United Kingdom, along with Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich. His style was His Royal Highness. I don't recall any discussion about him being given a "title" prince consort in 1977 and it would not make sense because he was already a prince.
@routeman680 I checked quite a few websites before making my reply. Not easy, given that there seems to be a million different ways to reject cookies. But I did find that my first assertion was based on a rumour that Louis Mountbatten's boasting about a Mountbatten being the monarch (Which apparently he did do) was the reason for Philip not being made Prince Consort.
I remember the Silver Jubilee discussion though, as it was the first time I came across the "Prince Consort" thing in this context. I'd heard the term in connection with Prince Albert, but as my school was doing it's best to put me off history for life (thankfully they failed), I wasn't even vaguely interested. Only when it involved someone actually alive at the same time as me, did it seem relevant.
I've heard it mentioned a few times since. Most recently at the time of the Platinum Jubilee. I listen to Radio 4 a lot, and this sort of thing comes up on there.
I've done a quick check and have found a passage from the Bournemouth Echo, which I've pasted below.
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Prince Philip had been offered and declined the title Prince Consort, which had been given to Queen Victoria’s husband, Prince Albert, according to correspondence by the then prime minister, Sir Winston Churchill in 1954.
Sir Winston engaged in a series of secret letters with his Lord Chancellor about the prospect of Philip becoming Prince Consort.
Other titles suggested included Prince of the Commonwealth and Prince of the Realm, however, both discussions were brought to an abrupt end.
Sir Winston wrote that the Queen had made the suggestion to the duke, but that he “refused even to consider accepting any new title at present”.
He added: “Her Majesty asked that the matter should be allowed to rest indefinitely.”
Philip was made the Duke of Edinburgh by Princess Elizabeth’s father, George VI, just before his 1947 wedding.
The Queen later made him a prince of the UK in 1957.
"
What I found odd about this scene is how come there wasn't a phone in the room? To what extent, can it be said, that the plot against Wilson was real?
Why would there necessarily be a phone in a dining room? They were usually in the hall.
I happened to have watched both Broadchurch and Gracepoint recently, and no knock on Anna Gunn, but it’s really instructive to see OC in a direct demonstration of how two different people can inhabit a role. Jesus Christ OC is soooo good. And the bitching thing is that she would never have been the first choice of any American producers and directors. Not glamorous enough.
Do NOT use the Most Holy Name as a swear word
@@marcokite You a funny guy. Jesus Christ told me so. He also said I could use his name however I want to.
This scene leads to the road of mandalay
So why was lord Matt batten allowed to continue and retain his status and station in service and gentry. To even be placed in a position of influence to Prince of Wales. With being named a co conspirator of a coup and having personal life and marriage that was not consistent either the church or head of the church her royal majesty the Queen???????
Everyone talking about how if Edward kept the throne she still would have ended up Queen, are ignoring two things -
1) even if that’s true, they wouldn’t have known that for a good stretch of her life, so she could still feel like something she wasn’t initially raised for, as her father DEFINITELY felt.
2) the timeline where Edward stayed King would have meant a monarch actively working against Churchill and advocating a negotiated peace with the Nazis. That could so radically alter the timeline you can’t make reasonable assumptions about the direction things would have ended up.
A peace with Germany would have been the better choice for Britain; it would have saved the Empire from bankruptcy and collapse. WW2 was much like the ending scene of Gladiator; yes the Germans were destroyed, but Britain (the Empire at least) was mortally wounded in the process. Even if Germany went on to defeat the USSR. Hitler would have died of Parkinson's probably around 1950, and infighting between members of the Nazi party after Hitler's death would have led to their collapse.
@@jonraybon8582 even if you actually don’t care about the genocide you’re accepting as the cost of doing business in that scenario, the Third Reich being left to be slowly destroyed by Stalin alone would have resulted in the Iron Curtain falling in the Pyrenees.
Did she really eat chips (French Fries)?! 🤣
She's on vacation in the US in this part of episode. I guess they figured an American steak dinner would be served with French Fries and Tomatoes. Not a bad combo, but a baked potato and salad would be more accurate.
@@theshlauf hear hear!
"You've made it look as if the other thing was what you were meant to do".
Yes. I know that feeling all too bl...y well, Ma'am.
"And talking about gorillas I've seen."
only problem I had was the prime minister threatening the queen. It was a threat! I wish the script was written differentlly - after the queen has taken care of business, she should, in her private audience with the pm, warn him never to threaten her again.
This is quite a prescient callback joke. It's a rather explosive accusation to suggest MountBoyBummer was involved in a coup plot that bombed.
I understand that the situation is very serious, but did the Prime Minister really need to threaten her right out of the gate? For someone as constitutionally-minded as the late Queen, I'm sure she would have agreed to stop the coup without need for persuasion.
What if she's not inherited as queen? She seemed happy if not burdened as monarch of the country
Did this really happen? I’m no expert on British history but I never heard of it.
"In the late 1960s the London Times encouraged Cecil King's notion of a coup against Harold Wilson's Labour Government in favour of a government of business leaders led by Lord Robens."
Wikipedia has under "Harold Wilson plot allegations" more information about the putative May 1968 plot by Lord Mountbatten against the Harold Wilson Government. There were also allegations in 1974 of similar covert military operations against the Government. But I can't link a URL per YT rules.
@@k.r.baylor8825 Appreciate it.
There definitely was a plot.
@@davidhoward4715 Yes, so I’ve been told
George VI died long before he should have at 56 so his daughter ascended the throne 15 years before she was expected, if her father had lived as long as his own father George V?
Which coup are they Talking About? Was there a incident that I never heard it before?
Google "1974 Mountbatten Coup". It's not particularly well documented and may in fact have been Harold Wilson overdoing it with the Number 10 wine cabinet. But there were persistent rumours of this back in the 70s....
@@mlc4495 thanks. I never heard it, that story before.
[Moran, Jon. "Conspiracy and contemporary history: revisiting MI5 and the Wilson plot[s]." Journal of Intelligence History (2014)]
The above article has more about these alleged plots in 1968 and 1974. Searches using [this phrase above] terms can yield further information.
The British Establishment was much bolder and nationalistic back then.
She didn't have a problem with the coup in Australia in 1975.
Really is a great scene showing how totally out of touch the royals have always been.
It is not about how, when, and where she became a queen but why. Why was she the queen of the United Kingdom in the year of our Lord, 1953.
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