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During early production stages, Warner Bros. expressed interest in using the Riddler as the main antagonist with Leonardo DiCaprio, Johnny Depp, Eddie Murphy, or David Tennant in mind for the role. However, Christopher Nolan was able to convince them to use Bane due to the character having a physical presence that the previous villains lacked
Warner Bros had a better idea than the film maker? That almost NEVER happens! Tennant would have KILLED it as the Riddler! Also, Murphy should have been the Ventriloquist and Scar Face.
Buster: "No one cared who I was til I sat on your chair." Douglas: "If I move you, will you die?" Buster: "It would be extremely painful." Doug: "You're a big cat." Buster: "For you."
Fun Fact: In the novelization, when they moved all the inmates from Arkham to the new location they left one person behind that being The Joker and it says something that Bane didn't try to free him as well most likely viewing him as too chaotic in-universe.
That builds the thrill of him so much more. That the super villain Bane didn't want to touch an incarcerated Joker and the police didn't either. It just feels sad thinking that in-universe, one of the greatest Jokers and the star of the second movie during the entire third; Is just sitting locked up as nothing and we don't even get to acknowledge he ever existed. Makes me wish even more they chose another villain for the threequel like Riddler. A man chaos incarnate being replaced by a man calculation incarnate who tricks his was around anarchy pulling everyone right under their noses. I still just feel bad seeing scenes from the third movie and just remembering the Joker is now locked up and never will be acknowledged again or ever in the entire movie.
I’m shocked that you didn’t mention Talia’s death. It was literally the worst on screen death I’ve ever seen. She is a great actress, and that’s the take they went with?!?
If I remember, she was pregnant at the time. This may explain why they were not able to film a proper death scene while both hiding her belly and not endanger her and her baby's health.
@@NobodySoldier that's not the reason why. She has openly talked about how bad her death scene was and that she was angry they picked such a shit take when other takes were so much better
Batman: “A Hero can be anyone. Even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat a around a young boy’s shoulders to let him know the world hasn’t ended.”
Then the script ruined that moment by having Gordon look up at batman flying away and dramatically say “Bruce Wayne...” to himself. Show, don’t tell. It would have been more powerful to see the realization on Gordon’s face than him uttering what we already know.
4:43 If I remember correctly, Hardy was actually modeling his voice after a bar knuckle boxer so that joke is actually a lot closer to the truth than I think you intended for it to be.
I mean and for alot of things to consider that somehow nobody never mentions is that Bane is a older man. He's around the same age of Ra's Al Ghul. It's just that Tom Hardy is younger in real.
My favorite thing about Tom Hardy’s performance is that, for all of Bane’s physical feats, he still comes across as injured. He’s very economical with his movements, and his neck and back are usually stiff. I buy that he’s in genuine pain and has to judge when to push through and when to harbor his strength.
This also gels with Tom Hardy's experience of playing Bane. As NC points out, Hardy is not a big man. He had to bulk up substantially for the role. By Hardy's personal accounts, he pushed himself too hard for this film, to the point where his joints still ache.
Fun fact: As Doug mentioned, Tom Hardy is 5'9", far from the towering height Bane is often depicted with. By comparison, Christian Bale is around 6', so whenever they share a scene Hardy is wearing elevated boots to even things up.
@@Typhoonis88 He sure did! Just look up a clip from the first episode of iCarly that has Freddy and Sam and/or Carly in a scene with each other. It's hilarious! I actually learned that from the first iCarly retrospective video Quentin Reviews made. If you use the in-video chapter thing and use it to skip to where he starts talking about Season 1, he explains about the boots and why they had the actor wearing them, and shows lots of clips of it. The video _is_ more than five hours long (and that's only part one of two😱), but it's really interesting
It's really kind of funny. But I do think Hardy manages to make Bane feel so intimidating that you don't really notice that he isn't very big. He just FEELS huge :P
This film did have a profound effect on me because I had recently finished high school and was just getting into college. I needed a film of this epic scale and marvelous magnitude at the time to make me believe in myself and appreciate so much of what is possible in big scale yet grounded filmmaking as well as storytelling. Despite flaws and imperfection, I can't surrender my love for it.
Sounds exactly like everyone’s excuse to like Return of the Jedi. At least that didn’t have a mass shooting associated with it, which I realize inadvertently made me devalue this whole endeavor. Especially after Nolan called this “the most important movie of the sound era” that resulted in ZERO Oscar nominations.
I wish the Knightfall reference with Bane wasn't so bad looking. It's just shot in such a plain way and happens so fast that you can barely process what happened. Compared to the comics where it was rightfully given a bit more flair. I understand that the Nolan movies were a bit more grounded in reality but I still wish they did something to make it seem a bit more like a big deal than it ended up being. Kinda shocked Doug didn't analyze that scene and why it lacks the same impact as the comic version
I always Like how Bane's prision Is a realistic version of the Lazarus's Pit, the one Ra's use to resurect in the comics, rework to resurect the soul rather than the body
@@sanjayraju988 well, it is a pit in an ancient part of the world, that Ra's himself came out of, and he came out with new purpose (creating the League Of Shadows) so, if it wasn't planed, then is a really big coincidence
Actually, I really liked Bane and Talia’s connection to the LoS. I’m a sucker for the trope where two characters were trained by the same master but have opposing ideologies.
The appearance of Ducard as an apparition doesn't sit right with me. Supernatural themes are so out of place in a Batman movie. But then it could have been Bruce hallucinating.
Enforced Method Acting: According to an interview with a Pittsburgh news station, *Hines Ward* was unaware of what it'd be like when the football field was destroyed around him. When Heinz Field, his home turf, was exploding loudly behind him, he actually was running for his life. Hines Ward: Usually, I'm smiling when I'm running, but that day I was actually screaming.
@@iacovoskritz4896 But there wasn't anything wrong with it. I mean she acts circles around Daisy Ridley who apparently we are supposed to like these days???
The thing that really bothered me was the Talia twist...I mean, the world's greatest detective never checked her background before trusting her with an atomic bomb.
For me, it was the fact that a woman with such a generic name, Miranda Tate, had such an obvious foreign accent and basically gave away the ending, at least in as much as she was clearly going to be a villain. I may be biased, though, as I cannot STAND Marion Cotillard. Awful actress.
@@louisduarte8763 in that case, I would have like to see Batman looking into her records and find at least solid information that makes him trust her. Rven if she acts convincingly, Batman is known for not trusting anybody.
My issue with it is that the reveal occurs too late to fully develop it. She's an orphan like Bruce seeking what she considers justice in the wake of her father's death and serves to show what Bruce will be if he continues on the thread of die a hero or live to be a villain. It is meant to help along Bruce's arc but instead of gathering that, you're just left with a last minute villain.
I love all 3 movies, to me it’s just one long story. I know rises has its flaws but I think they are vastly outweighed by the positives, which is why I can easily look past them. The dark knight is understandably the best of the 3, but I still have a hard time figuring out which one I enjoy the most. The way I see it, the dark knight movies are sort of like the real life scenarios that the comics exaggerated in an alternate reality. Example: Robin wasn’t actually a sidekick, he’s the one who took up the mantle after Bruce Wayne. Catwoman was a cat burglar, but not literally a CAT burglar. Of course I do respect the criticisms, which is why I understand not everyone can get into it.
I just don't think I'll ever get over them handing Bane's prison baby solo escape origins to Talia and I think it retroactively ruins Bane in the film.
I agree, but I think they could’ve done a better job with Talia’s character. If she had been revealed as an antagonist about midway thru, per se, it would’ve been better because we’d have more time, as the audience, to get into her and Bane as a duo. As is, it’s hard to care about her as a villain, despite the few hints the film gives us, in the last fifteen minutes
I loved The Dark Knight trilogy...but sometimes I feel like Nolan had written scripts for three movies unrelated to Batman, then he got offered this job. So he tweaked his scripts and changed names and characteristics to fit the Batman narrative. Bcos they really do feel like really good action thrillers that just happen to feature characters from Batman
I know not everyone loved Anne Hathaway as Selina in this, but I'm one of those people that did. Her "oops" switch from nervous to calm is just perfect. Also noticed how her blue dress at the end is a nod to the blue flower Bruce needed to find in Batman Begins... Plus the way she looks in her catsuit, as well as how her goggles become like cat ears when they're up
“You do not fear death. You think this makes you strong, it makes you weak. How can you move faster than possible, fight longer than possible without the most powerful impulse of the spirit. The fear of death...then make the climb. Without the rope, then fear will find you again.” That has to be one of the best speeches in cinema history. Perfectly sums up Batman character. And it’s so quietly done. Absolute masterstroke.
What?! You have got to be kidding me. That statement makes no god damn sense. You think Sir Edmond Hillary climbed Mount Everest, without a rope? Batman can't perform an act, that a 10 year old managed because....he had a rope? There is a better quote in Batman Begins (a movie that is not awful, like TDKR). This quote sums up Batman: "Henri Ducard : Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share. Bruce Wayne : That's why it's so important. It separates us from them." His ability to empathize with the people of Gotham allows him to see things the Joker can't (the better side of people) in the Dark Knight. It is what allows him to track down and confront Villian's (Clay Face, Mr Freeze etc) through out Batman the Animated series. They play on that trope in the just released The Batman.
I love this movie because seeing it is one of my happiest memories. I was going for ice cream with my cousin when we passed a friend's house, so I rang his doorbell. Inside, my buddy, his sister, and all her friends were dressed as Batman characters (my friend was Spiderman because why not?). They said they were going to see the Dark Knight Rises midnight release. I wasn't interested but my cousin and I wanted to join in, so we went with them. The cinema was packed full of people but we got our tickets. Everyone was clearly happy to be there. During the scene with the American anthem, some guy in the audience just shouted "CANADA!" I had never seen a Batman movie before and I was blown away by how huge the movie felt and I really liked Bane. It was such a great time!
I surprised my nephew and took him to see this for his 11th birthday and we both loved it. He still says it was one of his favorite days, so I'll always love this film because of that!
Funnily enough, even knowing The Dark Knight is much better, Rises is my favorite between the three. The eerile desperate atmosphere, the feeling of Gotham giving up and falling into despair, Bane, the soundtrack, the action sequences, all are great.
@@spaceace4387 I enjoy both films. I think though when people bring out the issues in TDKR< they forget TDK had similar once. I mean, the Joker luck and things he couldn't even plan were ridiciolous. It's just something you flow with.
This kinda makes me think. This movie has a really great villain (Bane). Batman Begins has a really good script. The Dark Knight managed to strike a amazing balance between the two
The accountant in The Dark Knight had a credible explanation for figuring out Bruce Wayne was Batman (yes, in a city where the entire populace somehow can't deduce Batman's identity despite the entire lower half of his face being exposed). Couldn't they have given Blake a better reason for figuring it out than "I recognized the look on your face when I saw you that one time"? Also, what happened to that guy? He went on LIVE TV to admit that he knew Batman's identity, and no one followed that thread when Batman was the most wanted man in Gotham for EIGHT YEARS? No one considered asking that guy? I know Gordon probably supressed investigations into Batman during that time, but no rogue cop or detective thought to look into it themselves? Hell, that could've been how Blake figured it out! COME ON!
@@mania4270 Are you new to these videos? What you call "bitching" is critiquing a film's flaws, plot holes, and inconsistencies. It's why he's called the Nostalgia CRITIC. It's what these videos are all about, and they are bound to spark further discussion from others like myself. Next, I suppose you'll call it "bitching" when the Critic tore Batman & Robin a new one over the Bat Credit Card. 🤨 In film, there's something called "suspension of disbelief", and it's when the audience accepts what's happening in the film, even if those things are outlandish or don't make much sense. But you often still need to establish rules, boundaries, and a certain amount of logic even in the smaller details because it makes it easier to accept or at the very least overlook the more crazier elements. And when you bend those rules and that logic too much, the viewer will have a harder time suspending their disbelief and they can become mentally or emotionally uninvested in the film as a whole. Blake revealing how he deduced that Bruce was Batman is a fairly big example, considering that he figured it in a single moment as a child when the entire city - including all of the GCPD - were somehow unable to. Granted, it had little consequence to the overall plot of the film, but that won't matter if you ruin an audience's ability to *care* about the movie if the rules and the logic keep getting discarded just for the sake of plot convenience.
That’s a situation where you can fill the gaps yourself. Maybe the guy recognized publicly hat he was lying and never discovered Batman identity, maybe Bane killed him, etc. Not everything needs to be done on-screen, not everything needs to be explained. There are some people that will nitpick every single detail calling it “script failure” or “plot hole”. Again, not everything should be explained.
@@spencermalley10 he wouldn't and couldn't. What I love is that the trilogy doesn't follow the same cinematic formula each time, so each movie is its own film, not solely dependent on each other. Begins was a shabby effort, Number was polished and slick based on Heat, and 3 was moreso based on films like Dr Zhivago and other epic character driven films. It had little to do with action and superhero fun and moreso to do with allegory, and human beings being elevated from one level to the next on a wide range of scales. Every single character has a definitive arc. Officer Blake turns detective, turns successor to Batman. Bruce goes from darkness to struggle to light. Alfred from disappointed to dismissive to distant to dread to happy. And so on and so forth. It's a film not a superhero movie and nerdy people don't grasp that just like nerds don't grasp human connection. A nerd is not a truly intelligent person, he is well learned and obsessed with trivial matters like Pokémon and how many crew members died in Star Wars, it's all meaningless information and disassociate identity so they have very hard time with this film. A very hard time. But it is the best one
Some script decisions such as the twist villain had issues, but the overall package of the movie is enjoyable. Not Dark Knight enjoyable, but enjoyable nonetheless.
I know i have a hot take on this, but i didn't like the dark knight. It's a marvelous middle chapter but without this and Batman begins for me it just rings hollow and is to depressing.
@@Direwolf1166 Idk because most ppl havent even seen batman begins before they saw dark knight. I remember watching the dark knight and loving it and then when it came on dvd, I bought a 2 pack of it and batman begins.
I think a lot of this movie's problem's could have been fixed in they included the Riddler. He could work together with Bane and be the one to reveal the truth about Harvey Dent because he's so smart and put the pieces together. Instead of an underground prison it could have been a death maze made by the Riddler. Riddler:Nice work Bane, you broke his body, I'll break his mind. And they could also bring in the Scarecrow to finally give him a more active role by trying to break Batman's spirit. Doesn't that sound like it would be a great and intense finale.
Funny that you mention it because they originally were gonna have the Riddler as this movie's main villain, and they were thinking of getting either David Tennant or Leonardo DiCaprio as him. Good thing The Batman gave this villain what he needed, aside from redemption after being in Forever.
My thoughts: Should Bane use the scissors to cut the Bat Credit Card? Bane: It would be extremely painful. My thoughts: I'm not sure if Nostalgia Critic still has struggles about that. Bane: ...For you
I really do love the themes of this one though. Batman Begins was all about controlling and overcoming fear. Bruce learned to not be afraid. But in this one, he learns to be afraid. That the fear will give him the strength necessary to win. I kinda love that juxtaposition.
Focusing on plot holes and shit was always weirf to me. Plot in these movies is just there to push the themes, i dont think it matters that we dont know how brucr got back to Gotham
@@ves138 it doesn't matter it's nerd babble. Nerds are the critters of society because they focus on details that don't afford them advancement. A tech wiz is not a nerd because he loves computers, a nerd is a guy who can't talk to girls but points out random things about pop culture things he's obsessed with. So everyone who points out things like that show their level of awareness. The film was the perfect close to a trilogy about redemption. Chris Nolan gave Bruce Wayne the tortured soul a happy ending. The first film was about using fear, Scarecrow, Ras Al Ghaul. The second film about establishing order against chaos. And the third film about adopting a soul to fight a spiritual battle within. Bane was empowered not by chaos or fear, but by belief in a higher power and higher purpose, and Batman always had lower beliefs and lower purposes. He needed Bane to show him the way out of hell, by climbing out the pit. Very poetic and deep nuanced film that nerds like the reviewer just don't comprehend because their minds are built to be cynical because they have no maidens. Their self hatred causes them to project hatred to everything else. Basic psychology. Perfect film. I actually rank it up there with The Godfather and classic films of that caliber. Just too well crafted.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 I agree, at least about what you have to say about the film. The hate for this movie is because it came after TDK. And it wasn't TDK again. It was a different genre, a different villain, a different method of storytelling for part of it. I love this movie and always will.
Actually, Nolan was actually inspired by a Tale of Two Cities more than Occupy Wall Street. You can see similarities through out the film. And the movie makes that absolutely clear by having Gordon reading the final line of the book at Bruce’s “funeral”.
I doubt Doug is smart enough to read A Tale of Two Cities so you can’t fault him. But yes Bane’s Army was most certainly meant to be the French Revolution, not Occupy Wallstreet.
"This bomb is armed, and this bomb is mobile, and the identity of the triggerman... is a mystery". He says that line like he's a camp counselor explaining a game to a bunch of kids.
Grandeur (pretentious) speech with little substance just to add some kind of twist or extra character. Identify of the triggerman? Anonymous Gothamite? Unsung hero? Dude. That's a whole lot of rhetoric when he's just saying they have a spy, inside man/person in Gotham's mist, the ones police won't get just by eliminating Bane and his men. Batman Begins had that too with Falcone's speech to Bruce Wayne. It was overblown and contextually somewhat off response to a person who he still thinks as a spoiled, naieve boy. Love Nolan trilogy, but he has some comic book lines in his movies 😆.
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Say what you will about this film, BUT I WILL NEVER forget seeing this film at the cinema with my friend. When Batman and bane fought for the first time, I was literally cheesing the whole time. I was so blown away by how badass bane was. Batman backing away screaming as bane walks up those steps. Fucking awesome stuff.
Same for me . The music stops and all you hear is the two men fighting . With the visuals and believable choreography, it’s one of my favorite movie fight scenes.
That's the best scene in the film...I love how it shows batman as a vulnerable character....even the way he approaches bane with sort of a "I'm uneasy but I Have to do. this" demeanor vs Bane approaching him with a confident swagger
Same for me. Saw it opening night. This movie is pretty good imo. Don’t get me wrong, it’s the worst of the trilogy but that’s mostly cause the other 2 are so good. And I’ll never forget the ending. When the tech guys tell Fox Bruce fixed the autopilot, I shook my head and slightly louder said “Son of a b*tch. That son of a b*tch”.
@@JacobAndJamal , I have huge issues with the coreography. Sorry. Compared to the new Reacher series for example the Rises fighting is pretty circus-like and Bane's strength are very exaggerated.
I assumed the ending with Bruce at the cafe was still open to interpretation. Alfred being on his retirement/vacation at the cafe he told Bruce about, he pictures Bruce and Selina there living a "happily ever after", (as if either of those two characters could really do that) but really its just Alfred's way of coming to terms with his own loss.
This trilogy is a strangely unique beast. Obviously, when put all together, The Dark Knight is the best, but personally, if the editing and action were better put together, Begins would be my favorite. Rises just has some strange and core issues like you pointed out, which easily puts it in last place.
@@jarrodedson5441 Begins is the most solid. TDK was flawed by it's main character being the least interesting and even changed Batman TDKR is just shit
Honestly, I felt that Bane had the best dialogue out of all of the Dark Knight trilogy characters. There were definitely some issues with this movie but I feel like it has aged better than what a lot of people might want to give credit for
@@HurricaneDDragon I can certainly understand the issues people would have with the movie, but goddamn if Bane's dialogue isn't incredible. You gotta grant me that!
If you thought Batman getting his spine punched into place was dumb...in the comic he just pulls himself back so far that it just pops back in, like a jigsaw puzzle. Also Alfred saying to endure was before the 8 YEARS without crime, I feel like he realized that a world without Batman wasn't as bad as he thought. P.S. There's a video by Film Theory about how the Joker actually (whether intentionally or not) saved Gotham. Seriously, Doug, you need to check it out.
13:51 Kinda true honestly. One of the things I love about the comic book depiction of Bane is that he is his own unique and insanely intimidating threat with his own morales, his reason to kill Batman in order to purge himself of his years of torment, abuse and fear by being imprisoned in a prison along inside with his own mother for the crimes of his revolutionist father, and he was literally still in the womb of his mother and he still was imprisoned and when he brought into this world, the only life he ever knew was that of the prison and prisoners he was surrounded with, not to mention that his only true friend was a small teddy bear of his called "Osito" (representing the last of Bane's innocence and purity) and all these inmates he had to conquer and earn the respect of in order to train his mind, body and soul in order to reach beyond human condition and as soon as he and his prisoner gang escape and kill the warden that abused him, while also throwing away Osito in order to free himself of any innocence, sincerity, or compassion to truly become free and capable to confront Batman (as Bane view's Batman as the literal representation of all of Bane's fears after an intense dream sequence of a demon bat creature). Bane was a villain that never was defined by the actions or beliefs of others and did everything in his own right to purge himself of all his fears and give himself a true reason to die and purpose to rest in peace after knowing nothing but fear and pain for his entire life.
Every scene with Bane holding speeches to masses, I was just waiting for someone to shout "WHAT, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU". Great review, guys! Love from Sweden.
“…forcing him to walk with a Caine…and a stick to keep his balance.” Never has a bad joke been so loved since Colin Jost’s insistence to say how a lawyer was on U2’s side because he was “Pro Bono”
Bane really steals every single scene he was in. I kind of wish there were no "batman", and this was just Bane being awesome for 2-4 hours. "Do you feel in charge?"
Doug forgot to mention that the reason Selena broke in to Wayne Manor was to steal his fingerprints so Dagget could use his identity to make some shady and bad stock moves and THAT is why Bruce was broke. Yes it is true his company profits and charities suffered in his absence but Dagget is the one that spent Bruce into bankruptcy. I forget why Bane was involved in this theft.
Bane and Talia needed Bruce’s finger prints in order to pretend to be Bruce Wayne and make him bankrupt and lower Wayne Enterprises value at the Stock Market by doing risky investments under Bruce’s name
@@petermj1098 oh right it was so Bruce would be forced to give over control of his reactor to Talia to keep it from being seized by the IRS or other gov agencies. I had forgotten why they bothered bankrupting him. It didn't stop him from being Batman.
The theme for this movie was suffering. Begins had a theme of fear and The Dark Knight was about chaos. Bane occupied the city with his quasi socialist revolution. There was some chaos with the lynching of Gotham's elite but overall it was sanctioned by Bane as part of his plan. Even the Joker was hypocritical and had double standards with his desire for Chaos. When the two groups on the boats proved him wrong showing that neither of them would press their detonators, he had his own detonator on standby ready for him to push.
I feel the same way about this movie. It's well done and clearly a lot of effort was put into it, but in the end it couldn't live up to the previous movies and had a pretty underwhelming plot. Maybe we were just too hyped up after The Dark Knight...
10:41 That right there is what took me completely out of the movie. Bruce spends how much time searching for how he'll fight crime, training with the assassins, coming back to Gotham and establishing both his public persona and his Batgear? And then this film just tells us that he was only Batman for a year and a half and then took an almost-decade-long sabBATical (he-he, my bad joke!)? Screw that noise!
@@spaceace4387 Bullshit? That seriously makes this one of the weakest Batman worlds if that was all it took to rid ALL crime out of the whole city forever. No Penguin ,Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze or Hugo Strange?
@@magnusm4 it makes perfect sense the lie about Dent inspired the people of Gotham to take a stand against the mob but as we know that lie came back to bite them in the ass later. I don’t know what you’re confused about
@@ThaYoungChad except there wasn’t the movie made it clear . Also Gotham isn’t a real place, so your comparison is false. They achieved peace but it was based on a lie so they didn’t really achieve peace. That was like the theme of the film. You need to calm down, it’s just a movie.
@@spaceace4387 I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense, it actually tells the basic premise well. I’m saying moviegoers went in not realizing that’s the story they got. You could say the same thing with the Lion King and Hamlet. People weren’t planning on watching an animated Shakespeare performance, but that’s kinda what they got. Moviegoers here didn’t expect a dickens novel in their Batman film, and yet that’s what they got. And when you realize that, the movie gets better. If you’re like me and you didn’t know that was what the movie was trying to convey back in 2012, you didn’t like the movie so much. But now, I have a greater appreciation for it.
When they filmed in Pittsburgh I was walking around the filming areas on my way to work. I collected some of the snow they used (it was like a cotton material) and they had like 7 of the camo batmobiles and I was looking in them. They were parked in an alley in downtown and no one was there. It was just taped off. Pretty cool experience.
My ratings of the Dark Knight trilogy Batman Begins (2005) 8 out of 10 The Dark Knight (2008) 11 OUT OF 10! ONE OF THE BEST EVER MADE! The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 7,7 out of 10
In the Dark Knight trilogy, I would have liked to have seen more unheard/unseen villains we have not seen on screen yet, with the exception of Scarecrow and the al G'huls, all the other villains have been seen in previous Batman movies. If anything Scarecrow deserves a whole movie plot to himself as he's one of the most iconic villains. I personally would like to see Mad Hatter getting some moment in the limelight as a villian.
Agreed. Also I'd love to Man-bat, the ventriloquist, Talon, and Azrael all eventually in a live action movie. Talon, and Azrael both be introduced by the court of Owls. Don't kill off Azrael but rather use him as an ally in a future sequel. And use Talon alongside Damian Wayne in a future sequel.
What didn’t you understand about it? Was it the deep themes or the complex character moments? My advice to you is just stick with Disney Star Wars if this is too far over your head.
Torch the Franchise and Run: Christopher Nolan was very reluctant to make a follow-up to The Dark Knight especially after Ledger's death upset his original plans. He finally agreed when he realized that he could use it *to tell Batman's final adventure and give the character an ending.* As such he repurposed plots from the first film, resolved Bruce Wayne's issues with Rachel Dawes, and ended the story on such a way that DC had to pretty much reboot as soon as he stopped noting that the conclusion made it impossible to tell further Batman stories or superhero stories in the same continuity.
You have to admit even being the weakest of the trilogy there is a lot to love about this movie and I also really loved Banes voice it’s become iconic.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 I completely agree TDKR is the best of the trilogy and I actually think it may be the greatest conclusion to any trilogy. It was definitely my greatest theater experience ever, I just didn't want the movie to end.
The plot isn't as tight as it's predecessors but the big character moments and the end of Batman's arc was incredible for me, hence why it's one of my favorites and still up there with BB and TDK for quality in my opinion.
Nolan was the only one smart enough to do that, everyone else finds endless pleasure in seeing Bruce as Batman even knowing the psychology isn't healthy.
@@Thespeedrap see this is why you can't talk to nerds because as smart as they profess they are, they really are just immature babies. The movie isn't about Batman. You missed the point.
... But thats not who Batman is... He can't walk anyway and be happy. He's that messed up. He would use medical technology to heal himself, and keep fighting. He's obsessive, theyve shown that in comics for decades. Even the animated series knew, Bruce cant have happiness.
I think there is a huge difference in Batman's actions in this movie vs the Dark Knight. In this one, the police were actually competent and Batman actually got in their way. Plus, Bruce is now a cripple... And Bane isn't meant to be new... he's meant to close a cycle... the corruption was started by the league and ends with them. Batman started with the league and ends with them. And to the league, the previous failure was a disgrace... which, in Asian culture, is a HUGE thing... and the League follows a lot of Asian values. Frankly, the fact that Bane's plan isn't his own is what's terrifying... it's terrifying because he's continuing a legacy that should have been destroyed. But more than that, it's Batman facing his origin using the lies built in the previous movie. This film is literally built off of the previous 2 films and makes Batman face the consequences of how he dealt with the issues in them. The weapons he built in the first film and the lies he told in the second all come back to haunt him and nearly destroy the city.... Hell, the only thing missing is Joker, but because Heath Ledger died, that can't be faulted with the film. Also, they probably already did too much to go back and change the script.... There is so much left over from the Joker in the previous film that you can literally see his shadow.... yet, because the actor is dead, he isn't even mentioned...
"the police were actually competent" except for the moment when they find out the villain's hideout and decide the best course of action is to send almost every single cop in the city to a trap that leaves the entire city without a police force
I love the part during the final fight, when Batman exposes Banes weakness and starts to break his mask & Bane now exposed to pain, trying to fight Batman & fix his mask at the same time, looses control and just gets wild with his punching. No more techniques, no more strategy, just a man in pure blind rage fueled by his pain
I still agree with where you wanted The Dark Knight to end, imagine 50 minutes of this movie being the Joker and 2 face stuff, Batman taking the blame for the deaths, Gotham losing faith in him, having to go right back into crime fighting for the rest of the movie as Bane and the league of shadows does their thing, which would make better sense as to why Bruce is so beat up rather than the treason this film used..then the Batman is Broken, taken to the prison and boom, end of the third movie, the 4th film then being about the rise and redemption of batman and ending Bane the league of shadows instead. Maybe not even use Talia as that was a waste and I didn't like Bane unceremoniously taken out the way he was, he SHOULD have been the one that made the climb. Call the first half The Dark Knight falls followed up by of course, Rises. I LOVE all 3 movies but I honestly think they could have made 4 shorter movies that overlapped, that would have been so cool.
@Héctor Peñalver that’s not what Gordon would do if he knew Gotham was still in trouble, yes he loves his family but his love for Gotham like Batman loves it, is his obligation
We got to see him rise through the ranks of the GCPD. Starting out in uniform and making it to Commissioner. Like a lot of cops his job consumes him and his family breaks down.
In my literature class in high school my teacher showed us an article that said Nolan took inspiration from a Tale of Two Cities for Gotham’s chaos and turmoil. It makes more sense to compare the chaos/issues to the French Revolution than occupy wall street.
8:28 just gonna ignore the universe hopping and bring up the obvious slip up here, She-Hulk's real name is public knowledge... she is a lawyer as Jennifer Walters *while transformed as She-Hulk*
I know Doug doesn’t like this movie, but I think it’s pretty decent and a solid ending to the Nolan trilogy. Only thing that bugs me is the Blake character. Namely why didn’t make his “legal name” Tim Drake? Would’ve been such a great reference.
Well obviously because everyone on earth knows Batman and Robin. Nearly everyone knows Bruce Wayne, some people know vaguely know Dick Grayson, a tiny number of people have heard of Damian Wayne and almost no one knows Tim Drake That doesn't mean I like the reveal either, just that I understand why they went with the one they did Even tho it's dumb because Robins name isn't Robin I figured he'd be Dick Grayson, I'd have been happy with Tim Drake. Hell I'd have been happy with Carrie Kelley. Actually I'd have low-key kind of loved that... But they went with Robin because it guaranteed all the normies would understand who he was supposed to be
This movie is not that bad, it was mostly due to how popular The Dark Knight, even Christopher Nolan said he wouldn’t be able to top that movie and he made Dark Knight Rises as a way to end his Batman trilogy!
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I remember seeing this in the theater with my parents and while I do enjoy the dark night rises for what it is I don't think it's perfect my main problem is mainly how pain and Talia we're actually handled and portrayed and how much of a dork Batman was but thanks for reviewing this film nostalgic as I enjoyed it ❤️
Christian Bale didnt wrote the Script. The ending is very ambivalent and you can interpret it one way or another. I go with the not so much loved "batman suicide" ending cause I think this is how Nolan intended to end the trilogy but he knew he would piss off the majority of the fans with that, so he made an ending that basically pleased everyone.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 the bat signal being repaired and the autopilot fixed are pretty clear about Nolan's intentions. He is alive. No room for interpretations when you include those two bits.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 did you even see the movie? There is a scene where two technicians tell Fox that Bruce fixed the autopilot without he knowing. If you don't understand the purpose of including that dialogue right in the final montage, then you have the narrative perception of a goldfish. Duh.
Also at 11:20 I would've accepted "Hey remember the Alfred that said he'd never give up on Bruce?" (Shows clip of Bruce saying "You haven't gave up on me yet" with Alfred responding "Nevah!") "Well now it's give up!"
Similarly, had Heath lived, David S. Goyer's (but not necessarily Nolan's) plans for the third movie would have involved the Joker going on trial while Two-Face (who would have turned out to be Only Mostly Dead) went on a rampage across Gotham. There was also talk that Crane's role as the Kangaroo Court judge would have gone to the Joker had Ledger still been alive.
There is no way to know that seeing how there were no plans for a 3rd movie until after Nolan finished Inception and by that point Ledger had been dead for 2 years.
@Shay Rose well... This also isn't entirely accurate George Lucas was writing Return of the Jedi during production of Empire. It wasn't till the end of production of Empire that he decided Leia was Luke's sister because he was trying to figure out what would make Luke snap and lose control in the fight against Vader All this is to say, while making a movie you're certain will have a sequel you're certainly thinking about what that story might be Obviously by the time the script was written Heath had been gone for some time But Goyer and Nolan certainly spit balled ideas long before then
Fun fact: immediately after release of The Dark Knight Rises some critics from Rotten Tomatoes gave the film some pretty harsh reviews and some fans of the film began to harass and sent death threats to most of the critics from the website. The behavior got to so ugly that Rotten tomatoes website had to disable the comments.
the airplane scene actually drew influence from James Bond of all things. Licence to kill does almost the same thing in it's opening to capture a drug lord and set up the story
I was always under the impression that most people didn't like this movie as well. I enjoyed, not as much as The Dark Knight, but still thought it was very good.
The theory with the ending regarding Alfred is that even though Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle are shown, did Alfred just imagine them or was it real? Perhaps showing Bruce was just to mess with us. Was it actually Bruce or Alfred's imagination?
I remember that was my interpretation too. I was confused that people thought Bruce survived and was actually at the cafe. I thought how could he have survived that explosion? But people said he was literally there at the cafe
@@JRawlings14 they already hinted at him surviving when Lucius discover the autopilot of the Bat fixed by Bruce and Gordon finds the Bat Signal repaired
For me, only for me, Its like sometimes the movie is trying to do something good, and other times the movie only wants to end in the fastest way possible
@@theconsciousobserver6829 Please elaborate to me how the fuck does Gordon remember decades ago that he put a jacker over a random kid? These little things are what makes sometimes this movie weird.
Dark Knight Rises officially turns 10 years old!!! Still my #1 movie of 2012 and made $1.081 billion globally I remember seeing it with my friends Tom and Liz opening weekend at shoppingtown Sad it was the same time that shooting took place in Colorado The movie itself was a terrific conclusion to Christopher Nolan's rebooted Batman series and considered the end of stand-alone comic book stories in cinema Loved how Anne Hathaway as Catwoman carried enough emotional weight and was portrayed as an actual cat burglar and a con woman like in the comics despite her age difference with Christian Bale This was also the first film in 3 movies to actually focus on Batman and his life slowly being taken apart bit by bit from his fortune to his corporate career to his physical strength and the title corresponds to his story arc learning to rise again from the ashes of defeat Roger Ebert called it one of the best endings to a trilogy he's ever seen It makes a statement on class warfare and equality; everything mostly being calculated and quantified given anyone with a cell phone can learn about anybody Even the wealthy never consider the less fortunate taking back what little there is Despite a number of plot holes popping up and some of the dialogue not packing enough punch next to clocking in at 3 hours I loved Tom Hardy's interpretation of Bane acting as an eco-terrorist even though his voice was mocked constantly on social media and Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Blake learning Bruce Wayne's struggle to come back and fight for Gotham's fight against corruption Much of it foreshadowed occupy Wall Street being very apolitical Thought Marion Cotlliard as Talia Al Ghul was quite a surprise but happy it tied back to Batman Begins even if her defeat was weak I was tearing up at the end too Happy these movies popularized several trends in modern blockbuster cinema, from the modern concept of a “grounded, gritty reboot,” to superhero films attempting to gesture towards big political or socioeconomic concepts The other good news is that Bale and Nolan are eager to come back for another installment to wrap up Bruce Wayne's arc Ultimately this movie acts as cautionary tale about how any form of extreme populism can turn into fascism and terrorism
This was definitely a movie that was divisive and I think you nailed the main points. The script needed work and some of the plot decisions really don't work. But this was a way for Nolan to get out of comic books without needing to wrap up too much. Hell he was even nice enough to give a potential story of Tim Drake to DC before they rebooted everything. Every decision about Batman since is directly pointed to this trilogy which is still one of the better trilogies ever made.
There's not many successful trilogies. You got OG Star Wars. Pirates of the Carribean. Maybe Hangover depending on who you ask. Not even Godfather was a perfect trilogy.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 there's a lot more than you think. Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings, Back to the Future, Planet of the Apes, Dollars trilogy, Evil Dead. You get the idea.
Don't you love it when actors (and I guess directors) switch super hero universes? - Tom Hardy (Bane to Venom) - Ben Affleck (Daredevil to Batman) - James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy to The Suicide Squad) - etc
Critic missed the big thing that personally had me SO FURIOUS and ranting for hours after leaving the theater. They pretty much told Bane's accurate origin story, with the kid thrown into a crazy hellish prison (Santa Prisca) for the crimes of a parent, growing up into a hardened man driven by a will of titanium. And for the shock value, they suddenly make the twist of saying "No, you know what? That accurate Bane origin story, we're gonna say it's Talia's origin story, now." Because YEAH, in the famous comic-book where Bane breaks Batman's back, he IS a simp for Ra's Al Ghul, and he IS smart enough to figure out who Batman is all by himself, and he is a charismatic leader. And of course, the other thing is that Nolan made the creative decision to once again take out the ONE big characteristic of a character. For Ra's Al Ghul, it was the Lazarus Pit, which they COULD'VE used to bring him back in this movie, could've been a cool reveal. For Bane, it's the Venom drug he uses to roïd-up into a wall of muscles. I'd go as far as to say this movie made a different but similar disservice to the character of Bane as 'Batman & Robin' did in 1997. I would actually like to see an actual mexican actor play the role of Bane (without pushing on the stereotypical accent), someone who could sell the charismatic leader and intelligent aspect of the character, and who would have the Venom drug on hand. Basically, I would F@CKING LOVE to see a movie Bane like the Bane in the game "Batman Arkham Origins". Between him and the Bane of the show "Young Justice", I think you have the best versions of the character on screen.
Even I, who ADORED this film when it first came out, just was like “ really? She’s an Academy award winning actress and that’s the best she can do for a death scene?!“
THANK YOU! when i first saw it in theaters, i thought to myself that the alfred staredown into the camera was the perfect place to end it, a little wink at the audience because we knew who he was looking at
For all of its perceived shortcomings, I love this movie. As a big fan of Bane (let's be honest, he is Batman's greatest adversary) I was glad to see him get a good big screen appearance being played by a great actor. Also, while some of the dialogue is ridiculous, I thought the script was great because it brought Christopher Nolan's Batman story full circle with him being defeated and once again being stuck in a pit (a la when he was a kid in Batman Begins) but this time there is no one to help him get out but himself and he has to "rise" on his own. As far as my ranking of the Dark Knight movies goes, I lump them together because I think they tell one big story in three parts as opposed to something like the James Bond franchise where each one is a standalone movie.
Bane, the Joker, and Two-Face are unironically Batman's most challenging adversaries because the Joker is a perversion of Wayne's psychology, Dent is a Perversion of his Morality and Bane is a Perversion of his ability and this movie trilogy perfectly encapsulated that. I just really wish they hadn't handed his actual comic backstory to Talia Al-Ghul. And the worst part is when they added the element of him being the child of Rāz I started to dread it but held hope that the story would reveal that the child and the escaped warrior were two separate people but no, they just handed all of Bane's coolest backstory to Talia. I've been contemplating a redub project where a friend of mine voices all of Miranda's lines and changes her big reveal at the very end to that separation.
Basically this project would only change the ending dialogue but dubbing over the actress's voice throughout the film would be necessary to keep the movie consistent.
Unfortunately such a project would technically be piracy so I'm trying to get enough clout to I can eventually come to WB with a pitch to do an official version of it.
As much as I like this movie, (saw it 5 times in theater), I wish we lived in the timeline where Heath Ledger is still alive and we got the version of this film that was originally planned.
Honestly I thought this was a good film, but you pointing out things like how it felt like a sequel to the first film, and your amazing cut version of the ending really pushed me over the edge. It could have been great, but the weird script that goes back on itself really does keep it back.
At 7:00 these days Catwoman isn't so much of a villain anymore but really just playing by her own rules and steals what she wants to steal or whomever hired her to do it type. and yeah she definitely puts on an act to throw people off all the time. Always for show. It's really apart of her character.
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A film directed by Christopher Nolan was a masterpiece from begin to end
@@air03man Yeah
I give this a movie a solid 7... or 8... 7.5
You tried to get into it, and that's fine. But I'm still glad this review's over and done with.
During early production stages, Warner Bros. expressed interest in using the Riddler as the main antagonist with Leonardo DiCaprio, Johnny Depp, Eddie Murphy, or David Tennant in mind for the role. However, Christopher Nolan was able to convince them to use Bane due to the character having a physical presence that the previous villains lacked
Can we just appreciate how good a Riddler David Tennant would have made.
Warner Bros had a better idea than the film maker? That almost NEVER happens! Tennant would have KILLED it as the Riddler! Also, Murphy should have been the Ventriloquist and Scar Face.
I also heard that Philip Seymour Hoffman would be the Penguin and Hugo Strange was going to be appear and it would based on Batman: Prey
Just because it was an unique idea, it doesn't mean it was a good one
@@falkofscrum well they’re just potential ideas and alternatives
Buster: "No one cared who I was til I sat on your chair."
Douglas: "If I move you, will you die?"
Buster: "It would be extremely painful."
Doug: "You're a big cat."
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Reading this comment kind of...hurts a little, mainly because ERod will be hanging up his hammer forever soon
@@sadlobster1 who’s ERod?
@@rockmacher The Blockbuster Buster
This comment gives me God Emperor of Dune vibes lol
@@sadlobster1 is something happening to buster?
Fun Fact: In the novelization, when they moved all the inmates from Arkham to the new location they left one person behind that being The Joker and it says something that Bane didn't try to free him as well most likely viewing him as too chaotic in-universe.
That builds the thrill of him so much more. That the super villain Bane didn't want to touch an incarcerated Joker and the police didn't either.
It just feels sad thinking that in-universe, one of the greatest Jokers and the star of the second movie during the entire third; Is just sitting locked up as nothing and we don't even get to acknowledge he ever existed.
Makes me wish even more they chose another villain for the threequel like Riddler.
A man chaos incarnate being replaced by a man calculation incarnate who tricks his was around anarchy pulling everyone right under their noses.
I still just feel bad seeing scenes from the third movie and just remembering the Joker is now locked up and never will be acknowledged again or ever in the entire movie.
I’m shocked that you didn’t mention Talia’s death. It was literally the worst on screen death I’ve ever seen. She is a great actress, and that’s the take they went with?!?
If I remember, she was pregnant at the time. This may explain why they were not able to film a proper death scene while both hiding her belly and not endanger her and her baby's health.
@@NobodySoldier that's not the reason why. She has openly talked about how bad her death scene was and that she was angry they picked such a shit take when other takes were so much better
@@yippykiyay89 Oh, ok. Thanks for the details.
@@NobodySoldier what? haha that sounds fabricated and absolutely bonkers.
There are many other far worse death scenes, like Elsa from Last Crusade
Batman: “A Hero can be anyone. Even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat a around a young boy’s shoulders to let him know the world hasn’t ended.”
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Great line.
Great line. In fact every movie in this trilogy had great lines.
@@jessedellross3245 💯💯💯
Then the script ruined that moment by having Gordon look up at batman flying away and dramatically say “Bruce Wayne...” to himself.
Show, don’t tell. It would have been more powerful to see the realization on Gordon’s face than him uttering what we already know.
4:43 If I remember correctly, Hardy was actually modeling his voice after a bar knuckle boxer so that joke is actually a lot closer to the truth than I think you intended for it to be.
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I mean and for alot of things to consider that somehow nobody never mentions is that Bane is a older man. He's around the same age of Ra's Al Ghul. It's just that Tom Hardy is younger in real.
He also was modeling his voice after a latin-based accent to try and stay true to Bane's Guatemalan roots.
My favorite thing about Tom Hardy’s performance is that, for all of Bane’s physical feats, he still comes across as injured. He’s very economical with his movements, and his neck and back are usually stiff. I buy that he’s in genuine pain and has to judge when to push through and when to harbor his strength.
excellent point
u can hear it in the in the 1st fight all the groaning and slow moving he's doing def a older beaten up man...wish they touched on it a lil
This also gels with Tom Hardy's experience of playing Bane. As NC points out, Hardy is not a big man. He had to bulk up substantially for the role. By Hardy's personal accounts, he pushed himself too hard for this film, to the point where his joints still ache.
Fun fact: As Doug mentioned, Tom Hardy is 5'9", far from the towering height Bane is often depicted with. By comparison, Christian Bale is around 6', so whenever they share a scene Hardy is wearing elevated boots to even things up.
Just like Freddy in the first season of iCarly! 😅
And clever camera angles.
@@babyblue_22 wait .... really? that is hilarious!
@@Typhoonis88 He sure did! Just look up a clip from the first episode of iCarly that has Freddy and Sam and/or Carly in a scene with each other. It's hilarious! I actually learned that from the first iCarly retrospective video Quentin Reviews made. If you use the in-video chapter thing and use it to skip to where he starts talking about Season 1, he explains about the boots and why they had the actor wearing them, and shows lots of clips of it. The video _is_ more than five hours long (and that's only part one of two😱), but it's really interesting
It's really kind of funny. But I do think Hardy manages to make Bane feel so intimidating that you don't really notice that he isn't very big. He just FEELS huge :P
This film did have a profound effect on me because I had recently finished high school and was just getting into college. I needed a film of this epic scale and marvelous magnitude at the time to make me believe in myself and appreciate so much of what is possible in big scale yet grounded filmmaking as well as storytelling. Despite flaws and imperfection, I can't surrender my love for it.
That is an understandable choice.
Yup, saw it the summer after I Graduated high school. That whole summer was amazing
It's a marvelous film. Not a good superhero movie
@@theconsciousobserver6829 It's not even a good movie.. Just watching it proves that. But not everyone is a brain dead Nolan simp
Sounds exactly like everyone’s excuse to like Return of the Jedi. At least that didn’t have a mass shooting associated with it, which I realize inadvertently made me devalue this whole endeavor. Especially after Nolan called this “the most important movie of the sound era” that resulted in ZERO Oscar nominations.
Honestly, Bane in this movie managed to be both kickass and ridiculous. His voice was a little silly, but whenever he did shit it was awesome
Its basically the only one in the trilogy where bales voice isnt the most silly
I wish the Knightfall reference with Bane wasn't so bad looking. It's just shot in such a plain way and happens so fast that you can barely process what happened. Compared to the comics where it was rightfully given a bit more flair. I understand that the Nolan movies were a bit more grounded in reality but I still wish they did something to make it seem a bit more like a big deal than it ended up being. Kinda shocked Doug didn't analyze that scene and why it lacks the same impact as the comic version
I hated how the movie discards him so unceremoniously, like saying YOU ARE OUT, NEW LAST MINUTE VILLAIN TAKEOVER
@@ahabduennschitz7670 agreed
@Yung Murk said nobody ever
I always Like how Bane's prision Is a realistic version of the Lazarus's Pit, the one Ra's use to resurect in the comics, rework to resurect the soul rather than the body
Wow, no joke I never thought of that. In the comics the Lazarus pit is used as a get back to life card in comics, but here it does have more reason
Yeah I know
Never thought of it that way. Him getting stronger and learning to go all the way to escape was my favorite part of this movie
I bet that was not what Nolan had in mind, it was probably just a connection the fans made after it came out.
@@sanjayraju988 well, it is a pit in an ancient part of the world, that Ra's himself came out of, and he came out with new purpose (creating the League Of Shadows) so, if it wasn't planed, then is a really big coincidence
I liked it. I actually like Anne Hathaway as catwoman. I like her voice and her demeanor ! She’s great to look at. I loved her .
Girls are gay for each other. Lol
My only problem with her was the high heels. Such a weird and dated choice, it always takes me out of the movie.
Actually, I really liked Bane and Talia’s connection to the LoS. I’m a sucker for the trope where two characters were trained by the same master but have opposing ideologies.
Except they didn’t do
Anything with that either.
@@fireblizard8366 😂😂😂😂
In the comics talia is ra’s daughter so yeah she does have connection to the LoS. Babe on the other hand does not.
@@toybirdy
' Babe '? Bane would love that. 🤣
The appearance of Ducard as an apparition doesn't sit right with me. Supernatural themes are so out of place in a Batman movie. But then it could have been Bruce hallucinating.
Enforced Method Acting: According to an interview with a Pittsburgh news station, *Hines Ward* was unaware of what it'd be like when the football field was destroyed around him. When Heinz Field, his home turf, was exploding loudly behind him, he actually was running for his life.
Hines Ward: Usually, I'm smiling when I'm running, but that day I was actually screaming.
I thought it was CGI. Nice to know that practical effects were used
Um...They did make sure nobody would get hurt during that scene. Right?
@@manuelalbertoromero9528any lives were lost for the sake of that epic scene...lives well spent 😂
Don’t forget Talia’s terribly acted death where she literally goes “eh” and falls limp like a child acting
It wasn’t terrible at all. You’re just jumping on the let’s nitpick TDKR bandwagon.
@@spaceace4387I mean, they coulda used a different take at least..
@@iacovoskritz4896 But there wasn't anything wrong with it. I mean she acts circles around Daisy Ridley who apparently we are supposed to like these days???
@spaceace4387 being the best of the worst isn't praise my dude.
@@nutjobification What are you talking about? There was nothing wrong with Talia's death scene.
The thing that really bothered me was the Talia twist...I mean, the world's greatest detective never checked her background before trusting her with an atomic bomb.
For me, it was the fact that a woman with such a generic name, Miranda Tate, had such an obvious foreign accent and basically gave away the ending, at least in as much as she was clearly going to be a villain. I may be biased, though, as I cannot STAND Marion Cotillard. Awful actress.
Or she was just that good at inventing a thorough cover story to hide in plain sight. She was trained by the League, too.
@@louisduarte8763 in that case, I would have like to see Batman looking into her records and find at least solid information that makes him trust her. Rven if she acts convincingly, Batman is known for not trusting anybody.
@@Astrithor lmao You think she’s terrible?! 😂 It always makes me laugh when people can’t stand certain actors. I’m not really familiar with her work.
My issue with it is that the reveal occurs too late to fully develop it. She's an orphan like Bruce seeking what she considers justice in the wake of her father's death and serves to show what Bruce will be if he continues on the thread of die a hero or live to be a villain. It is meant to help along Bruce's arc but instead of gathering that, you're just left with a last minute villain.
I love all 3 movies, to me it’s just one long story. I know rises has its flaws but I think they are vastly outweighed by the positives, which is why I can easily look past them. The dark knight is understandably the best of the 3, but I still have a hard time figuring out which one I enjoy the most. The way I see it, the dark knight movies are sort of like the real life scenarios that the comics exaggerated in an alternate reality. Example: Robin wasn’t actually a sidekick, he’s the one who took up the mantle after Bruce Wayne. Catwoman was a cat burglar, but not literally a CAT burglar. Of course I do respect the criticisms, which is why I understand not everyone can get into it.
I just don't think I'll ever get over them handing Bane's prison baby solo escape origins to Talia and I think it retroactively ruins Bane in the film.
I agree, but I think they could’ve done a better job with Talia’s character. If she had been revealed as an antagonist about midway thru, per se, it would’ve been better because we’d have more time, as the audience, to get into her and Bane as a duo. As is, it’s hard to care about her as a villain, despite the few hints the film gives us, in the last fifteen minutes
I loved The Dark Knight trilogy...but sometimes I feel like Nolan had written scripts for three movies unrelated to Batman, then he got offered this job. So he tweaked his scripts and changed names and characteristics to fit the Batman narrative. Bcos they really do feel like really good action thrillers that just happen to feature characters from Batman
I know not everyone loved Anne Hathaway as Selina in this, but I'm one of those people that did. Her "oops" switch from nervous to calm is just perfect. Also noticed how her blue dress at the end is a nod to the blue flower Bruce needed to find in Batman Begins... Plus the way she looks in her catsuit, as well as how her goggles become like cat ears when they're up
Yes, I like that oops. That is a good oops.
I loved her look. It reminded me of Julie Newmar from the Adam West series.
@@smaakjeks you mean a sarcastic oops
@@srstriker6420 No, I mean a good oops. That oops was good.
@@smaakjeks yeah but she was trying to sarcastic
“You do not fear death. You think this makes you strong, it makes you weak. How can you move faster than possible, fight longer than possible without the most powerful impulse of the spirit. The fear of death...then make the climb. Without the rope, then fear will find you again.”
That has to be one of the best speeches in cinema history. Perfectly sums up Batman character. And it’s so quietly done. Absolute masterstroke.
What?! You have got to be kidding me. That statement makes no god damn sense. You think Sir Edmond Hillary climbed Mount Everest, without a rope?
Batman can't perform an act, that a 10 year old managed because....he had a rope?
There is a better quote in Batman Begins (a movie that is not awful, like TDKR). This quote sums up Batman: "Henri Ducard : Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.
Bruce Wayne : That's why it's so important. It separates us from them."
His ability to empathize with the people of Gotham allows him to see things the Joker can't (the better side of people) in the Dark Knight. It is what allows him to track down and confront Villian's (Clay Face, Mr Freeze etc) through out Batman the Animated series. They play on that trope in the just released The Batman.
@@wjd23104 it's metaphorical, it's supposed to be hyperbolic to be symbolic.
I love this movie because seeing it is one of my happiest memories. I was going for ice cream with my cousin when we passed a friend's house, so I rang his doorbell. Inside, my buddy, his sister, and all her friends were dressed as Batman characters (my friend was Spiderman because why not?). They said they were going to see the Dark Knight Rises midnight release. I wasn't interested but my cousin and I wanted to join in, so we went with them. The cinema was packed full of people but we got our tickets. Everyone was clearly happy to be there. During the scene with the American anthem, some guy in the audience just shouted "CANADA!" I had never seen a Batman movie before and I was blown away by how huge the movie felt and I really liked Bane. It was such a great time!
WOW! Sounds awesome.
I’m really jealous!
(not sarcasm)
That sounds like such a good memory, thanks for sharing it with us man :)
I surprised my nephew and took him to see this for his 11th birthday and we both loved it. He still says it was one of his favorite days, so I'll always love this film because of that!
That’s awesome bro
I took my younger cousin so I know the feel.
That's class
@A Catalan Liam You're a shithead who's to stupid to understand subjectivity is what you're saying.
"No one cared who I was till I put on the mask!" Bane was ahead of his time.
He was prepping for COVID long before it happened.
@@somerandolad Like almost a decade before it happened!
Yep.
@@averymerrick 💯💯💯👍👍
The best thing Bane gave us was that silly voice to be used by the Bane in the Harley Quinn show!
Funnily enough, even knowing The Dark Knight is much better, Rises is my favorite between the three. The eerile desperate atmosphere, the feeling of Gotham giving up and falling into despair, Bane, the soundtrack, the action sequences, all are great.
Yep
Both TDK and TDKR are on the same level as far as I’m concerned but I personally like TDKR more
@@spaceace4387 I enjoy both films. I think though when people bring out the issues in TDKR< they forget TDK had similar once. I mean, the Joker luck and things he couldn't even plan were ridiciolous. It's just something you flow with.
@@John231984 I don’t enjoy TDK as much as everyone else I like it when Jokers on screen but the rest of the film is kinda boring to me
Bullshit the bane story was nothing like the comic book
This kinda makes me think. This movie has a really great villain (Bane). Batman Begins has a really good script. The Dark Knight managed to strike a amazing balance between the two
Kinda odd, tbh
The villain wasn't anywhere near as strong imho, but Ledger's Joker is a hard role to match.
The accountant in The Dark Knight had a credible explanation for figuring out Bruce Wayne was Batman (yes, in a city where the entire populace somehow can't deduce Batman's identity despite the entire lower half of his face being exposed). Couldn't they have given Blake a better reason for figuring it out than "I recognized the look on your face when I saw you that one time"?
Also, what happened to that guy? He went on LIVE TV to admit that he knew Batman's identity, and no one followed that thread when Batman was the most wanted man in Gotham for EIGHT YEARS? No one considered asking that guy? I know Gordon probably supressed investigations into Batman during that time, but no rogue cop or detective thought to look into it themselves? Hell, that could've been how Blake figured it out! COME ON!
Or just not bitch about how he found out he was batman? Seriously it wasnt a big deal
Isn't there a theory that Bane tracked down the accountant for the identity of Batman and then killed him?
@@kwayneboy1524 theories don’t work, the same applies to things that are explained in the script but not in the movie.
@@mania4270 Are you new to these videos? What you call "bitching" is critiquing a film's flaws, plot holes, and inconsistencies. It's why he's called the Nostalgia CRITIC. It's what these videos are all about, and they are bound to spark further discussion from others like myself. Next, I suppose you'll call it "bitching" when the Critic tore Batman & Robin a new one over the Bat Credit Card. 🤨
In film, there's something called "suspension of disbelief", and it's when the audience accepts what's happening in the film, even if those things are outlandish or don't make much sense. But you often still need to establish rules, boundaries, and a certain amount of logic even in the smaller details because it makes it easier to accept or at the very least overlook the more crazier elements. And when you bend those rules and that logic too much, the viewer will have a harder time suspending their disbelief and they can become mentally or emotionally uninvested in the film as a whole. Blake revealing how he deduced that Bruce was Batman is a fairly big example, considering that he figured it in a single moment as a child when the entire city - including all of the GCPD - were somehow unable to. Granted, it had little consequence to the overall plot of the film, but that won't matter if you ruin an audience's ability to *care* about the movie if the rules and the logic keep getting discarded just for the sake of plot convenience.
That’s a situation where you can fill the gaps yourself. Maybe the guy recognized publicly hat he was lying and never discovered Batman identity, maybe Bane killed him, etc.
Not everything needs to be done on-screen, not everything needs to be explained. There are some people that will nitpick every single detail calling it “script failure” or “plot hole”.
Again, not everything should be explained.
Bane's own words: "Admirable but misguided" perfectly sum up The Dark Knight Rises.
So how would you have made a sequel to The Dark Knight then?
@@spencermalley10 he wouldn't and couldn't. What I love is that the trilogy doesn't follow the same cinematic formula each time, so each movie is its own film, not solely dependent on each other. Begins was a shabby effort, Number was polished and slick based on Heat, and 3 was moreso based on films like Dr Zhivago and other epic character driven films. It had little to do with action and superhero fun and moreso to do with allegory, and human beings being elevated from one level to the next on a wide range of scales. Every single character has a definitive arc. Officer Blake turns detective, turns successor to Batman. Bruce goes from darkness to struggle to light. Alfred from disappointed to dismissive to distant to dread to happy. And so on and so forth. It's a film not a superhero movie and nerdy people don't grasp that just like nerds don't grasp human connection. A nerd is not a truly intelligent person, he is well learned and obsessed with trivial matters like Pokémon and how many crew members died in Star Wars, it's all meaningless information and disassociate identity so they have very hard time with this film. A very hard time. But it is the best one
@@theconsciousobserver6829 I bet you think equilibrium is a masterpiece lmfao
@@spencermalley10 people are allowed to critique movies without having to justify their criticism by completely rewriting it or something
Abraham Simpson's own words.."Oh bitch, bitch, bitch" perfectly summed up this movie's haters.
I’ll love his Bane voice and it’s fun when people copy his voice for comedy
Some script decisions such as the twist villain had issues, but the overall package of the movie is enjoyable. Not Dark Knight enjoyable, but enjoyable nonetheless.
I know i have a hot take on this, but i didn't like the dark knight. It's a marvelous middle chapter but without this and Batman begins for me it just rings hollow and is to depressing.
I compare the dynamic to that of Portal and Portal 2. Is it good? Yes. Is it AS good as its predecessor? No.
@@louisduarte8763 💯💯💯💯👍. Accurate
@@Direwolf1166 Idk because most ppl havent even seen batman begins before they saw dark knight. I remember watching the dark knight and loving it and then when it came on dvd, I bought a 2 pack of it and batman begins.
I enjoyed this movie a lot more then the batman begins. In my opinion, batman begins was just a really average film with some great momments.
I think a lot of this movie's problem's could have been fixed in they included the Riddler. He could work together with Bane and be the one to reveal the truth about Harvey Dent because he's so smart and put the pieces together. Instead of an underground prison it could have been a death maze made by the Riddler.
Riddler:Nice work Bane, you broke his body, I'll break his mind.
And they could also bring in the Scarecrow to finally give him a more active role by trying to break Batman's spirit. Doesn't that sound like it would be a great and intense finale.
Funny that you mention it because they originally were gonna have the Riddler as this movie's main villain, and they were thinking of getting either David Tennant or Leonardo DiCaprio as him.
Good thing The Batman gave this villain what he needed, aside from redemption after being in Forever.
My thoughts: Should Bane use the scissors to cut the Bat Credit Card?
Bane: It would be extremely painful.
My thoughts: I'm not sure if Nostalgia Critic still has struggles about that.
Bane: ...For you
I really do love the themes of this one though. Batman Begins was all about controlling and overcoming fear. Bruce learned to not be afraid. But in this one, he learns to be afraid. That the fear will give him the strength necessary to win. I kinda love that juxtaposition.
Focusing on plot holes and shit was always weirf to me. Plot in these movies is just there to push the themes, i dont think it matters that we dont know how brucr got back to Gotham
@@ves138 it doesn't matter it's nerd babble. Nerds are the critters of society because they focus on details that don't afford them advancement. A tech wiz is not a nerd because he loves computers, a nerd is a guy who can't talk to girls but points out random things about pop culture things he's obsessed with. So everyone who points out things like that show their level of awareness. The film was the perfect close to a trilogy about redemption. Chris Nolan gave Bruce Wayne the tortured soul a happy ending. The first film was about using fear, Scarecrow, Ras Al Ghaul. The second film about establishing order against chaos. And the third film about adopting a soul to fight a spiritual battle within. Bane was empowered not by chaos or fear, but by belief in a higher power and higher purpose, and Batman always had lower beliefs and lower purposes. He needed Bane to show him the way out of hell, by climbing out the pit. Very poetic and deep nuanced film that nerds like the reviewer just don't comprehend because their minds are built to be cynical because they have no maidens. Their self hatred causes them to project hatred to everything else. Basic psychology. Perfect film. I actually rank it up there with The Godfather and classic films of that caliber. Just too well crafted.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 you tripping fam
@@ves138 you're tripping fam is not criticism. You're lacking fam.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 I agree, at least about what you have to say about the film. The hate for this movie is because it came after TDK. And it wasn't TDK again. It was a different genre, a different villain, a different method of storytelling for part of it. I love this movie and always will.
Actually, Nolan was actually inspired by a Tale of Two Cities more than Occupy Wall Street. You can see similarities through out the film. And the movie makes that absolutely clear by having Gordon reading the final line of the book at Bruce’s “funeral”.
I doubt Doug is smart enough to read A Tale of Two Cities so you can’t fault him. But yes Bane’s Army was most certainly meant to be the French Revolution, not Occupy Wallstreet.
@@spaceace4387no need to be a cunt
"This bomb is armed, and this bomb is mobile, and the identity of the triggerman... is a mystery".
He says that line like he's a camp counselor explaining a game to a bunch of kids.
I know right it's corny
It fits because he’s lying anyway
Not gonna lie that might have been a cool game to play.
To be honest I kinda like that.
Grandeur (pretentious) speech with little substance just to add some kind of twist or extra character. Identify of the triggerman? Anonymous Gothamite? Unsung hero? Dude. That's a whole lot of rhetoric when he's just saying they have a spy, inside man/person in Gotham's mist, the ones police won't get just by eliminating Bane and his men.
Batman Begins had that too with Falcone's speech to Bruce Wayne. It was overblown and contextually somewhat off response to a person who he still thinks as a spoiled, naieve boy.
Love Nolan trilogy, but he has some comic book lines in his movies 😆.
It’s still hard for me to believe that Tom Hardy is Bane, he is UNRECOGNIZABLE in this role
Despite his ending being awful, he’s easily the 2nd best villain after joker.
@@jessedellross3245 Agreed
Well he is wearing a mask
@@millerkarageanes1562 It's also because of the voice and the shaved head
Ummm....
12:59 Wow, so Christopher Nolan was writing Oppenheimer before Barbie made it popular.
*There is a nostalgia in a more ancient part of the Internet, a pit where criticism are thrown to suffer and die. But sometimes a man rises from the darkness. Sometimes the memories sends something back…*
this is the best comment I have seen all day
Say what you will about this film, BUT I WILL NEVER forget seeing this film at the cinema with my friend. When Batman and bane fought for the first time, I was literally cheesing the whole time. I was so blown away by how badass bane was. Batman backing away screaming as bane walks up those steps. Fucking awesome stuff.
Same for me . The music stops and all you hear is the two men fighting . With the visuals and believable choreography, it’s one of my favorite movie fight scenes.
That's the best scene in the film...I love how it shows batman as a vulnerable character....even the way he approaches bane with sort of a "I'm uneasy but I Have to do. this" demeanor vs Bane approaching him with a confident swagger
Still gives me the chills
Same for me. Saw it opening night.
This movie is pretty good imo. Don’t get me wrong, it’s the worst of the trilogy but that’s mostly cause the other 2 are so good.
And I’ll never forget the ending. When the tech guys tell Fox Bruce fixed the autopilot, I shook my head and slightly louder said “Son of a b*tch. That son of a b*tch”.
@@JacobAndJamal , I have huge issues with the coreography. Sorry. Compared to the new Reacher series for example the Rises fighting is pretty circus-like and Bane's strength are very exaggerated.
I assumed the ending with Bruce at the cafe was still open to interpretation. Alfred being on his retirement/vacation at the cafe he told Bruce about, he pictures Bruce and Selina there living a "happily ever after", (as if either of those two characters could really do that) but really its just Alfred's way of coming to terms with his own loss.
Yeah they actually did do a happily ever after got married and had a child too oh I'm surprised you didn't know start reading the damn comic book
This trilogy is a strangely unique beast. Obviously, when put all together, The Dark Knight is the best, but personally, if the editing and action were better put together, Begins would be my favorite. Rises just has some strange and core issues like you pointed out, which easily puts it in last place.
The dark knight rises is the worst in the trilogy
@@jarrodedson5441 Begins is the most solid.
TDK was flawed by it's main character being the least interesting and even changed Batman
TDKR is just shit
Begins is the one I thought was just “ok”. I liked this one and TDK a lot.
@@EmperorGuyver uhhh no...the dark knight is not flawed
@@jarrodedson5441 Reality sucks doesn't it fanboy ?
Honestly, I felt that Bane had the best dialogue out of all of the Dark Knight trilogy characters. There were definitely some issues with this movie but I feel like it has aged better than what a lot of people might want to give credit for
It was bad in cinemas and it aged like milk.
@whirlwindmc1 You are OUT OF YOUR…. I mean I respectfully disagree.
@@HurricaneDDragon I can certainly understand the issues people would have with the movie, but goddamn if Bane's dialogue isn't incredible. You gotta grant me that!
If you thought Batman getting his spine punched into place was dumb...in the comic he just pulls himself back so far that it just pops back in, like a jigsaw puzzle. Also Alfred saying to endure was before the 8 YEARS without crime, I feel like he realized that a world without Batman wasn't as bad as he thought.
P.S. There's a video by Film Theory about how the Joker actually (whether intentionally or not) saved Gotham. Seriously, Doug, you need to check it out.
13:51 Kinda true honestly. One of the things I love about the comic book depiction of Bane is that he is his own unique and insanely intimidating threat with his own morales, his reason to kill Batman in order to purge himself of his years of torment, abuse and fear by being imprisoned in a prison along inside with his own mother for the crimes of his revolutionist father, and he was literally still in the womb of his mother and he still was imprisoned and when he brought into this world, the only life he ever knew was that of the prison and prisoners he was surrounded with, not to mention that his only true friend was a small teddy bear of his called "Osito" (representing the last of Bane's innocence and purity) and all these inmates he had to conquer and earn the respect of in order to train his mind, body and soul in order to reach beyond human condition and as soon as he and his prisoner gang escape and kill the warden that abused him, while also throwing away Osito in order to free himself of any innocence, sincerity, or compassion to truly become free and capable to confront Batman (as Bane view's Batman as the literal representation of all of Bane's fears after an intense dream sequence of a demon bat creature).
Bane was a villain that never was defined by the actions or beliefs of others and did everything in his own right to purge himself of all his fears and give himself a true reason to die and purpose to rest in peace after knowing nothing but fear and pain for his entire life.
Do he is a darl shadow: he had early childhood trauma and it caused him to use violence to confront it and become a super villian rather than hero.
Let’s be real though: Tom Hardy-sounding Bane is easily the funniest character in the Harley Quinn cartoon. Give that Bane some more love!
Can’t deny that
Such an innocent bean
Everyone loves that bane
That whole show deserves more love - “welcome to… the pit!”
YOUR RECKONING SHALL COME, JOSHUA!
Every scene with Bane holding speeches to masses, I was just waiting for someone to shout "WHAT, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU". Great review, guys! Love from Sweden.
“…forcing him to walk with a Caine…and a stick to keep his balance.”
Never has a bad joke been so loved since Colin Jost’s insistence to say how a lawyer was on U2’s side because he was “Pro Bono”
Bane really steals every single scene he was in. I kind of wish there were no "batman", and this was just Bane being awesome for 2-4 hours.
"Do you feel in charge?"
I too wish there was no Batman.
Doug forgot to mention that the reason Selena broke in to Wayne Manor was to steal his fingerprints so Dagget could use his identity to make some shady and bad stock moves and THAT is why Bruce was broke. Yes it is true his company profits and charities suffered in his absence but Dagget is the one that spent Bruce into bankruptcy. I forget why Bane was involved in this theft.
Bane and Talia needed Bruce’s finger prints in order to pretend to be Bruce Wayne and make him bankrupt and lower Wayne Enterprises value at the Stock Market by doing risky investments under Bruce’s name
@@petermj1098 oh right it was so Bruce would be forced to give over control of his reactor to Talia to keep it from being seized by the IRS or other gov agencies. I had forgotten why they bothered bankrupting him. It didn't stop him from being Batman.
In a way Bane did what Joker tried to do, bring chaos to Gotham. Yeah the plan was ridiculous, but it worked.
Yes exactly
The theme for this movie was suffering. Begins had a theme of fear and The Dark Knight was about chaos. Bane occupied the city with his quasi socialist revolution. There was some chaos with the lynching of Gotham's elite but overall it was sanctioned by Bane as part of his plan. Even the Joker was hypocritical and had double standards with his desire for Chaos. When the two groups on the boats proved him wrong showing that neither of them would press their detonators, he had his own detonator on standby ready for him to push.
As a trilogy, some of the best scenes are with Bruce and Alfred.
Especially when Alfred breaks down during the conversation with Bruce in this move. Very powerful scene
yeah, they never got Alfred....
I thoroughly enjoyed this film, it does have some minor problems, for the most part though it’s a fun story and ride and a good finish to the Batman
Some consider the writing to be a massive problem, but to each their own
I feel the same way about this movie. It's well done and clearly a lot of effort was put into it, but in the end it couldn't live up to the previous movies and had a pretty underwhelming plot. Maybe we were just too hyped up after The Dark Knight...
10:41 That right there is what took me completely out of the movie. Bruce spends how much time searching for how he'll fight crime, training with the assassins, coming back to Gotham and establishing both his public persona and his Batgear? And then this film just tells us that he was only Batman for a year and a half and then took an almost-decade-long sabBATical (he-he, my bad joke!)?
Screw that noise!
Uhhhh he had no choice , there wasn’t any crime in Gotham
@@spaceace4387 Saying there is no crime in Gotham is like saying there is no rice in China
@@spaceace4387 Bullshit? That seriously makes this one of the weakest Batman worlds if that was all it took to rid ALL crime out of the whole city forever.
No Penguin ,Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze or Hugo Strange?
@@magnusm4 it makes perfect sense the lie about Dent inspired the people of Gotham to take a stand against the mob but as we know that lie came back to bite them in the ass later. I don’t know what you’re confused about
@@ThaYoungChad except there wasn’t the movie made it clear . Also Gotham isn’t a real place, so your comparison is false. They achieved peace but it was based on a lie so they didn’t really achieve peace. That was like the theme of the film. You need to calm down, it’s just a movie.
Not mentioned here: it’s basically a retelling of “a tale of two cities.” Which is weird and out of place, but not terrible for a story adaptation.
It was well executed
@@spaceace4387 oh it was. But was never really sold as such...
@@avatarmikephantom153 if you’ve never read A Tale of Two Cities the film still makes sense, but if you have that’s an added bonus
@@spaceace4387 I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense, it actually tells the basic premise well. I’m saying moviegoers went in not realizing that’s the story they got.
You could say the same thing with the Lion King and Hamlet. People weren’t planning on watching an animated Shakespeare performance, but that’s kinda what they got.
Moviegoers here didn’t expect a dickens novel in their Batman film, and yet that’s what they got. And when you realize that, the movie gets better. If you’re like me and you didn’t know that was what the movie was trying to convey back in 2012, you didn’t like the movie so much. But now, I have a greater appreciation for it.
@@avatarmikephantom153 oh me too, that added so many extra layers to the film and it is so much deeper as a result.
When they filmed in Pittsburgh I was walking around the filming areas on my way to work. I collected some of the snow they used (it was like a cotton material) and they had like 7 of the camo batmobiles and I was looking in them. They were parked in an alley in downtown and no one was there. It was just taped off. Pretty cool experience.
My ratings of the Dark Knight trilogy
Batman Begins (2005) 8 out of 10
The Dark Knight (2008) 11 OUT OF 10! ONE OF THE BEST EVER MADE!
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 7,7 out of 10
In the Dark Knight trilogy, I would have liked to have seen more unheard/unseen villains we have not seen on screen yet, with the exception of Scarecrow and the al G'huls, all the other villains have been seen in previous Batman movies. If anything Scarecrow deserves a whole movie plot to himself as he's one of the most iconic villains. I personally would like to see Mad Hatter getting some moment in the limelight as a villian.
Agreed. Also I'd love to Man-bat, the ventriloquist, Talon, and Azrael all eventually in a live action movie. Talon, and Azrael both be introduced by the court of Owls. Don't kill off Azrael but rather use him as an ally in a future sequel. And use Talon alongside Damian Wayne in a future sequel.
I could never get over the Bane voice that sounded like the illegitimate love child of Darth Vader and Sean Connery.
Bane’s voice is fantastic in my opinion, has this calm yet intimidating presence
It’s so silly and goofy yet intimidating.
better than him venom's cockie monster voice, seriously what the hell tom hardy was thinking?
I remembered being so hyped for this movie.
I had to watch it again the next day to really let the disappointment sink in.
Probably should have had your expectations set at reasonable level then.
@@spencermalley10 to be fair the first 2 set the bar for the entire industry
What didn’t you understand about it? Was it the deep themes or the complex character moments? My advice to you is just stick with Disney Star Wars if this is too far over your head.
@@spaceace4387 LMFAO DARK KNIGHT RISES IS A DEEP FILM EVERYONE
@@Fendertastic Apparently it is for you seeing how you apparently don't understand it. Again, stick with Disney Star Wars.
Torch the Franchise and Run: Christopher Nolan was very reluctant to make a follow-up to The Dark Knight especially after Ledger's death upset his original plans. He finally agreed when he realized that he could use it *to tell Batman's final adventure and give the character an ending.* As such he repurposed plots from the first film, resolved Bruce Wayne's issues with Rachel Dawes, and ended the story on such a way that DC had to pretty much reboot as soon as he stopped noting that the conclusion made it impossible to tell further Batman stories or superhero stories in the same continuity.
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There were no original plans. Nolan handled every movie one at a time. He would never have used the Joker as the main villain two movies in a row.
Yeah, this is all suspect.
@@spencermalley10 but i read nolan had a scene planned for joker in rises
cool
You have to admit even being the weakest of the trilogy there is a lot to love about this movie and I also really loved Banes voice it’s become iconic.
The script was lacking but the action scenes were awesome.
It’s not the weakest it’s the best one
@@spaceace4387 it's the best of the trilogy. And I can argue very well why it is. I'll convince anyone to make it their favorite
@@theconsciousobserver6829 I completely agree TDKR is the best of the trilogy and I actually think it may be the greatest conclusion to any trilogy. It was definitely my greatest theater experience ever, I just didn't want the movie to end.
TDKR is the best superhero movie ever
The plot isn't as tight as it's predecessors but the big character moments and the end of Batman's arc was incredible for me, hence why it's one of my favorites and still up there with BB and TDK for quality in my opinion.
The plot was just as tight at the predecessors and it’s the strongest film.
What I like about this movie is that Batman gets a happy ending. He is awarded for his time as a hero and gets to walk away from the hero business.
Nolan was the only one smart enough to do that, everyone else finds endless pleasure in seeing Bruce as Batman even knowing the psychology isn't healthy.
Christian Bale s version felt like he didn't want to be Batman because he didn't have to be because he's 🤑 but that's not right.Hes Batman.
@@Thespeedrap see this is why you can't talk to nerds because as smart as they profess they are, they really are just immature babies. The movie isn't about Batman. You missed the point.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 REALLY Bale's Batman was just a rich pampered guy who wanted his 🍰 and eat it too.
... But thats not who Batman is... He can't walk anyway and be happy. He's that messed up. He would use medical technology to heal himself, and keep fighting. He's obsessive, theyve shown that in comics for decades. Even the animated series knew, Bruce cant have happiness.
I think there is a huge difference in Batman's actions in this movie vs the Dark Knight.
In this one, the police were actually competent and Batman actually got in their way. Plus, Bruce is now a cripple...
And Bane isn't meant to be new... he's meant to close a cycle... the corruption was started by the league and ends with them. Batman started with the league and ends with them.
And to the league, the previous failure was a disgrace... which, in Asian culture, is a HUGE thing... and the League follows a lot of Asian values.
Frankly, the fact that Bane's plan isn't his own is what's terrifying... it's terrifying because he's continuing a legacy that should have been destroyed. But more than that, it's Batman facing his origin using the lies built in the previous movie.
This film is literally built off of the previous 2 films and makes Batman face the consequences of how he dealt with the issues in them.
The weapons he built in the first film and the lies he told in the second all come back to haunt him and nearly destroy the city....
Hell, the only thing missing is Joker, but because Heath Ledger died, that can't be faulted with the film.
Also, they probably already did too much to go back and change the script....
There is so much left over from the Joker in the previous film that you can literally see his shadow.... yet, because the actor is dead, he isn't even mentioned...
Yes, yes, yes, all of it ! Thank you !
"the police were actually competent" except for the moment when they find out the villain's hideout and decide the best course of action is to send almost every single cop in the city to a trap that leaves the entire city without a police force
@@joshpart3319 I think that's just plot for the sake of a cool battle... a slight sacrifice for story and coolness purposes...
but it shouldn't be bane
When is this literal shadow of the joker seen?
I love the part during the final fight, when Batman exposes Banes weakness and starts to break his mask & Bane now exposed to pain, trying to fight Batman & fix his mask at the same time, looses control and just gets wild with his punching. No more techniques, no more strategy, just a man in pure blind rage fueled by his pain
Bane was always a bitch boy read the fucking comic
I swear the most unrealistic part was Hines Ward returning a kickoff for a touchdown.
Favorite comment 😂
The Bane of this trilogy's existence is here!
Pun Life
@@ChannelAwesome someone had to say it
@@ChannelAwesome can you do a FanScription on what if Penguin and Riddler were in the Dark knight trilogy or in rises?
@@theanimeunderworld8338 do you know about the FanScription?
I still agree with where you wanted The Dark Knight to end, imagine 50 minutes of this movie being the Joker and 2 face stuff, Batman taking the blame for the deaths, Gotham losing faith in him, having to go right back into crime fighting for the rest of the movie as Bane and the league of shadows does their thing, which would make better sense as to why Bruce is so beat up rather than the treason this film used..then the Batman is Broken, taken to the prison and boom, end of the third movie, the 4th film then being about the rise and redemption of batman and ending Bane the league of shadows instead.
Maybe not even use Talia as that was a waste and I didn't like Bane unceremoniously taken out the way he was, he SHOULD have been the one that made the climb.
Call the first half The Dark Knight falls followed up by of course, Rises.
I LOVE all 3 movies but I honestly think they could have made 4 shorter movies that overlapped, that would have been so cool.
In my eyes, Gordon’s arc might be my favorite in this trilogy, not the best but my favorite!! So well done!
@Héctor Peñalver that’s not what Gordon would do if he knew Gotham was still in trouble, yes he loves his family but his love for Gotham like Batman loves it, is his obligation
@Héctor Peñalver I like yours too tho
I find it hilarious that it’s Batman’s idea to take the blame, but Gordon is the one that gets hung out to dry.
@@dingle2987 cuz he was the one in the light to take the rest of the mess, plus given how politics go, he would’ve been fired with way
We got to see him rise through the ranks of the GCPD. Starting out in uniform and making it to Commissioner. Like a lot of cops his job consumes him and his family breaks down.
In my literature class in high school my teacher showed us an article that said Nolan took inspiration from a Tale of Two Cities for Gotham’s chaos and turmoil. It makes more sense to compare the chaos/issues to the French Revolution than occupy wall street.
8:28 just gonna ignore the universe hopping and bring up the obvious slip up here, She-Hulk's real name is public knowledge... she is a lawyer as Jennifer Walters *while transformed as She-Hulk*
I know Doug doesn’t like this movie, but I think it’s pretty decent and a solid ending to the Nolan trilogy.
Only thing that bugs me is the Blake character. Namely why didn’t make his “legal name” Tim Drake? Would’ve been such a great reference.
Make sense since Tim figured out Batman's true identity
Well obviously because everyone on earth knows Batman and Robin. Nearly everyone knows Bruce Wayne, some people know vaguely know Dick Grayson, a tiny number of people have heard of Damian Wayne and almost no one knows Tim Drake
That doesn't mean I like the reveal either, just that I understand why they went with the one they did
Even tho it's dumb because Robins name isn't Robin
I figured he'd be Dick Grayson, I'd have been happy with Tim Drake. Hell I'd have been happy with Carrie Kelley. Actually I'd have low-key kind of loved that...
But they went with Robin because it guaranteed all the normies would understand who he was supposed to be
Why don’t you go by your other name? Spider-Man John Blake.
I think they didn’t want to make it too obvious that this was meant to be "Robin".
This movie is not that bad, it was mostly due to how popular The Dark Knight, even Christopher Nolan said he wouldn’t be able to top that movie and he made Dark Knight Rises as a way to end his Batman trilogy!
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I remember seeing this in the theater with my parents and while I do enjoy the dark night rises for what it is I don't think it's perfect my main problem is mainly how pain and Talia we're actually handled and portrayed and how much of a dork Batman was but thanks for reviewing this film nostalgic as I enjoyed it ❤️
Word of Saint Paul: In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Christian Bale confirmed that the end of the movie was not a dream.
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Christian Bale didnt wrote the Script. The ending is very ambivalent and you can interpret it one way or another. I go with the not so much loved "batman suicide" ending cause I think this is how Nolan intended to end the trilogy but he knew he would piss off the majority of the fans with that, so he made an ending that basically pleased everyone.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 the bat signal being repaired and the autopilot fixed are pretty clear about Nolan's intentions. He is alive. No room for interpretations when you include those two bits.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 did you even see the movie? There is a scene where two technicians tell Fox that Bruce fixed the autopilot without he knowing.
If you don't understand the purpose of including that dialogue right in the final montage, then you have the narrative perception of a goldfish. Duh.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 dude he lives, get over it.
Also at 11:20 I would've accepted "Hey remember the Alfred that said he'd never give up on Bruce?"
(Shows clip of Bruce saying "You haven't gave up on me yet" with Alfred responding "Nevah!")
"Well now it's give up!"
"Let someone else do it! No one cuddles me at night anymore!"
Similarly, had Heath lived, David S. Goyer's (but not necessarily Nolan's) plans for the third movie would have involved the Joker going on trial while Two-Face (who would have turned out to be Only Mostly Dead) went on a rampage across Gotham. There was also talk that Crane's role as the Kangaroo Court judge would have gone to the Joker had Ledger still been alive.
There is no way to know that seeing how there were no plans for a 3rd movie until after Nolan finished Inception and by that point Ledger had been dead for 2 years.
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@Shay Rose well... This also isn't entirely accurate
George Lucas was writing Return of the Jedi during production of Empire.
It wasn't till the end of production of Empire that he decided Leia was Luke's sister because he was trying to figure out what would make Luke snap and lose control in the fight against Vader
All this is to say, while making a movie you're certain will have a sequel you're certainly thinking about what that story might be
Obviously by the time the script was written Heath had been gone for some time
But Goyer and Nolan certainly spit balled ideas long before then
I’d been down for that.
Is it just me, or is Cillian Murphy one of the unsung & under-utilized elements of this whole series. He stole nearly every scene he was featured in!
Fun fact: immediately after release of The Dark Knight Rises some critics from Rotten Tomatoes gave the film some pretty harsh reviews and some fans of the film began to harass and sent death threats to most of the critics from the website. The behavior got to so ugly that Rotten tomatoes website had to disable the comments.
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The only time I’d actually be ok with RT stepping in to mitigate user interference. That shit is so stupid.
So, Batfans have just always been toxic?
@@koneheadcokehead4981 it is kind of interesting, actually
I have a feeling that people are gonna do the same with the new batman movie
the airplane scene actually drew influence from James Bond of all things. Licence to kill does almost the same thing in it's opening to capture a drug lord and set up the story
I was always under the impression that most people didn't like this movie as well. I enjoyed, not as much as The Dark Knight, but still thought it was very good.
Surely a nuclear bomb detonating over a bay would still have a blast radius that would impact the city and contaminate the air with radiation?
Not when Batman is the one driving it over the bay.
And the water.
No it wouldn’t, it was a neutron bomb and the radiation doesn’t travel far.
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The theory with the ending regarding Alfred is that even though Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle are shown, did Alfred just imagine them or was it real? Perhaps showing Bruce was just to mess with us. Was it actually Bruce or Alfred's imagination?
I remember that was my interpretation too. I was confused that people thought Bruce survived and was actually at the cafe. I thought how could he have survived that explosion? But people said he was literally there at the cafe
@@JRawlings14 they already hinted at him surviving when Lucius discover the autopilot of the Bat fixed by Bruce and Gordon finds the Bat Signal repaired
@@overhaul8416 Yep. Little sprinkles of information and imagination to make us question the ending
@@overhaul8416 pearls too
This movie is like the "uncanny valley" of film. The acting constantly switches between "great" and "parody".
When was it parody
That's the perfect description
For me, only for me, Its like sometimes the movie is trying to do something good, and other times the movie only wants to end in the fastest way possible
@@theconsciousobserver6829 Please elaborate to me how the fuck does Gordon remember decades ago that he put a jacker over a random kid? These little things are what makes sometimes this movie weird.
@@simplepointstudio6210 probably because it was Bruce Wayne. Wouldn't you remember putting a jacket on Elon Musk ten years ago?
Dark Knight Rises officially turns 10 years old!!!
Still my #1 movie of 2012 and made $1.081 billion globally
I remember seeing it with my friends Tom and Liz opening weekend at shoppingtown
Sad it was the same time that shooting took place in Colorado
The movie itself was a terrific conclusion to Christopher Nolan's rebooted Batman series and considered the end of stand-alone comic book stories in cinema
Loved how Anne Hathaway as Catwoman carried enough emotional weight and was portrayed as an actual cat burglar and a con woman like in the comics despite her age difference with Christian Bale
This was also the first film in 3 movies to actually focus on Batman and his life slowly being taken apart bit by bit from his fortune to his corporate career to his physical strength and the title corresponds to his story arc learning to rise again from the ashes of defeat
Roger Ebert called it one of the best endings to a trilogy he's ever seen
It makes a statement on class warfare and equality; everything mostly being calculated and quantified given anyone with a cell phone can learn about anybody
Even the wealthy never consider the less fortunate taking back what little there is
Despite a number of plot holes popping up and some of the dialogue not packing enough punch next to clocking in at 3 hours I loved Tom Hardy's interpretation of Bane acting as an eco-terrorist even though his voice was mocked constantly on social media and Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Blake learning Bruce Wayne's struggle to come back and fight for Gotham's fight against corruption
Much of it foreshadowed occupy Wall Street being very apolitical
Thought Marion Cotlliard as Talia Al Ghul was quite a surprise but happy it tied back to Batman Begins even if her defeat was weak
I was tearing up at the end too
Happy these movies popularized several trends in modern blockbuster cinema, from the modern concept of a “grounded, gritty reboot,” to superhero films attempting to gesture towards big political or socioeconomic concepts
The other good news is that Bale and Nolan are eager to come back for another installment to wrap up Bruce Wayne's arc
Ultimately this movie acts as cautionary tale about how any form of extreme populism can turn into fascism and terrorism
This was definitely a movie that was divisive and I think you nailed the main points. The script needed work and some of the plot decisions really don't work. But this was a way for Nolan to get out of comic books without needing to wrap up too much.
Hell he was even nice enough to give a potential story of Tim Drake to DC before they rebooted everything.
Every decision about Batman since is directly pointed to this trilogy which is still one of the better trilogies ever made.
There's not many successful trilogies. You got OG Star Wars. Pirates of the Carribean. Maybe Hangover depending on who you ask. Not even Godfather was a perfect trilogy.
@@theconsciousobserver6829 there's a lot more than you think. Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings, Back to the Future, Planet of the Apes, Dollars trilogy, Evil Dead. You get the idea.
Don't you love it when actors (and I guess directors) switch super hero universes?
- Tom Hardy (Bane to Venom)
- Ben Affleck (Daredevil to Batman)
- James Gunn (Guardians of the Galaxy to The Suicide Squad)
- etc
Chris Evans (Fantastic Four to Captain America). That was a hell of a comeback!
Tony (Hack the Movies)
Sylvester Stallone, guardians of the galaxy to king shark.
Ryan Reynolds (Green Lantern to Deadpool)
Critic missed the big thing that personally had me SO FURIOUS and ranting for hours after leaving the theater.
They pretty much told Bane's accurate origin story, with the kid thrown into a crazy hellish prison (Santa Prisca) for the crimes of a parent, growing up into a hardened man driven by a will of titanium.
And for the shock value, they suddenly make the twist of saying "No, you know what? That accurate Bane origin story, we're gonna say it's Talia's origin story, now."
Because YEAH, in the famous comic-book where Bane breaks Batman's back, he IS a simp for Ra's Al Ghul, and he IS smart enough to figure out who Batman is all by himself, and he is a charismatic leader.
And of course, the other thing is that Nolan made the creative decision to once again take out the ONE big characteristic of a character.
For Ra's Al Ghul, it was the Lazarus Pit, which they COULD'VE used to bring him back in this movie, could've been a cool reveal.
For Bane, it's the Venom drug he uses to roïd-up into a wall of muscles.
I'd go as far as to say this movie made a different but similar disservice to the character of Bane as 'Batman & Robin' did in 1997.
I would actually like to see an actual mexican actor play the role of Bane (without pushing on the stereotypical accent), someone who could sell the charismatic leader and intelligent aspect of the character, and who would have the Venom drug on hand.
Basically, I would F@CKING LOVE to see a movie Bane like the Bane in the game "Batman Arkham Origins". Between him and the Bane of the show "Young Justice", I think you have the best versions of the character on screen.
He's probably too old but Damien Bichir
Can’t believe you didn’t make a joke about probably the worst death scene in movie history when miranda dies. It’s honestly hilarious
Even I, who ADORED this film when it first came out, just was like “ really? She’s an Academy award winning actress and that’s the best she can do for a death scene?!“
I had to scroll for a miranda death comment a bit too far for how stupid it was.
Yes cause when i see Tom Hardy in person i think he can be buff super strong intimidating villain that could almost kill Batman.
When he says your a big guy. Bane actually answers for you to the first thing he says. Which is "it will be extremely painful, for you"
I agree with you on most of these points...we could only imagine what could've been if Heath didn't pass away.
THANK YOU! when i first saw it in theaters, i thought to myself that the alfred staredown into the camera was the perfect place to end it, a little wink at the audience because we knew who he was looking at
For all of its perceived shortcomings, I love this movie. As a big fan of Bane (let's be honest, he is Batman's greatest adversary) I was glad to see him get a good big screen appearance being played by a great actor. Also, while some of the dialogue is ridiculous, I thought the script was great because it brought Christopher Nolan's Batman story full circle with him being defeated and once again being stuck in a pit (a la when he was a kid in Batman Begins) but this time there is no one to help him get out but himself and he has to "rise" on his own. As far as my ranking of the Dark Knight movies goes, I lump them together because I think they tell one big story in three parts as opposed to something like the James Bond franchise where each one is a standalone movie.
Bane, the Joker, and Two-Face are unironically Batman's most challenging adversaries because the Joker is a perversion of Wayne's psychology, Dent is a Perversion of his Morality and Bane is a Perversion of his ability and this movie trilogy perfectly encapsulated that.
I just really wish they hadn't handed his actual comic backstory to Talia Al-Ghul. And the worst part is when they added the element of him being the child of Rāz I started to dread it but held hope that the story would reveal that the child and the escaped warrior were two separate people but no, they just handed all of Bane's coolest backstory to Talia.
I've been contemplating a redub project where a friend of mine voices all of Miranda's lines and changes her big reveal at the very end to that separation.
Basically this project would only change the ending dialogue but dubbing over the actress's voice throughout the film would be necessary to keep the movie consistent.
Unfortunately such a project would technically be piracy so I'm trying to get enough clout to I can eventually come to WB with a pitch to do an official version of it.
I really do love this movie but that idiotic plot twist absolutely ruined the experience for me.
What shortcomings? You mean not having enough Batsuit scenes?
As much as I like this movie, (saw it 5 times in theater), I wish we lived in the timeline where Heath Ledger is still alive and we got the version of this film that was originally planned.
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What was originally planned?
The Ideal use of Ledger's Joker in the sequel to The Dark Knight is as a cameo (pretty much exactly like the most recent Batman movie)
@@blunteastwood Joker was gonna be on trial while Two-face was causing havoc in Gotham.
Honestly I thought this was a good film, but you pointing out things like how it felt like a sequel to the first film, and your amazing cut version of the ending really pushed me over the edge. It could have been great, but the weird script that goes back on itself really does keep it back.
At 7:00 these days Catwoman isn't so much of a villain anymore but really just playing by her own rules and steals what she wants to steal or whomever hired her to do it type. and yeah she definitely puts on an act to throw people off all the time. Always for show. It's really apart of her character.