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Extreme Long range prone shooting technique
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Actually, Mark, you're extremely good at explaining things, despite your statement to the contrary. Don't change. And thanks.
Cheers Man, thanks
Again, I thought you did a great job of explaining the fine detail. Thanks 🙏
I have watched these videos for a while and there is always something to be learned in the long range shooting arena. I have been shooting in both long range and extended long range shooting. I currently shoot a Sako TRG-42 in 338 Lapua with all the bells and whistles. I just can't get enough of it!
Cheers
Logical, comprehensive, personal experience and all with visual demonstration.
I think you're an excellent teacher.
Thanks mate.
NZ
Cheers Man, thanks
Agreed, just stop saying essentially. Don’t know if you noticed, but you say it every sentence.
It is probably the best presentation on prone shooting position I've ever seen. Very informative. Thank you!
S. Boucher Your welcome, I was not sure how this would go, but seems to be well received, hope it helps some folks. All the best.
Brilliant video, well explained. Every shooter regardless of experience should watch this. Well done Mark.................. and Sam of course.
Ianreason68 Thank you Ian, just sharing some thought's and processes that I have learned over the years, hope the is some help to some people, Cheers Man.
This was worth listening too. I like shooting long distance and this was a very helpful tip as I am a novice shooter it will be easier for me to change/correct my shooting position. Thank you
Snrub0800 Thanks Man, I don't know if my advise is for every one, but sure worth trying I think. Cheers Man.
Mark, that was absolutely fantastic. Only having 33,000 views is a bloody shame. I'm sitting here with a notepad taking notes. That was fair dinkum the most practical-informative-common-sense video I've ever watched on shooting, ever. Cheers from Toowoomba.
Thanks Man, we are just starting out really so not that known yet, Cheers and all the best.
its a shame that views dont correlate quality.
everything that lank bastard says just... it just facken works?
I appreciate your honesty in letting us know that you are not a professional. Remember that professionals built the Titanic and armatures built the Ark. I would love to know more about your entire setup, rifle, scope, and a very interesting looking stock rest.
Lol, Cheers
😃I love your quote "remember, professionals built the titanic, amateurs built the ark" I'll remember that. God bless.
Thank you for posting! Not only a great explanation, but also the reasoning to go along with it!
Cheers Ken, thanks
Thanks for making this video. I think you do excellent work explaining your techniques and processes.
Thanks Byrne, Cheers
finally, found a answer to a problem i have been having my neck hurts why because my chest is on the ground thank you ... i will be raising my rifle up till my neck does now hurt wow thanks so much...
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I don't watch you because you are not a professional teacher or whatever. I watch you because you are miles ahead of others.
Thanks Man, Cheers
There's only one thing I can say, and that is THANK YOU !!!
Cheers.
just goes to show you dont even need to shoot anything to drop a bomb on the community.
this channel is as real as it gets for practiv
cal tips when yer trying to teaxh that bucket a lesson.
amd one of tjese days i will convince me aoife to reach out and touch faith at 400
well the fact its a saturday dont make it any less right
Cheers Man, glad you like, thanks
The more I learn and the better shooter I become, the MORE your advise makes sense. I’ve been watching for several years, you’ve taught me and given me a lot to think about. My groups are now consistently between .5 - .7 moa with a great deal based on your advise. You Sir have taught an old dog new tricks! Yes I’m rewatching this video for the 3rd or 4th time because I learn more each time I listen to you.
Awesome, glad to help, Cheers
Fantastic description of technique. I love how everything you do is either data-driven or based on what is most comfortable for you (and thus creates good, repeatable data.) No preconceived notions of what 'ought' to be done or what is 'proper.' I really appreciate how everything you do on your channel you can defend in a logical manner without resort to appeals to authority or other such logical fallacies.
Cheers Man, glad you liked, thanks and all the best.
Love these videos guys, you say your not a professional, I would like to say thanks for such professional insight into a fast becoming hobby I cannot get outta my mind
Hi Scott, glad you like, Cheers and all the best.
I’m a 4 time Marine expert and I learn a lot from Mark&Sam. There’s always more to know.
I really enjoyed the explanation of your technique for prone shooting. I will try your techniques next time at the range. Thanks!
Mike Simpson Thanks Mike, all the best.
Excellent video with great insights! I'm waiting on my first custom long range rifle in6.5 Creedmoor to arrive and I can't wait to put this into practice. Thanks!
BAMA Fox Thanks Man, hope it gets there soon, enjoy, Cheers.
You're descriptions are very clear, concise, and understandable. Thanks for your efforts!
Thanks man, Cheers
It was 7 years ago, and now for me it is fresh new, because I starting my way to be a shooter. So for my first adventure I bought a CZ457 .22LR for first step, to feel, play and learn! :) thank you for your video and tips you shared! It is important for me because I am also not a cat person, rather I'm box of concrete.. :) Many thanks !
Cheers Man, thanks
I went to a resent PRS class and the instructor said shoot off your Collarbone just as you described and get straight behind the rifle.
He said it’s uncomfortable at first but get used to it.
Good video
Thanks Luke, Cheers
That alll makes perfect sense. I think, like almost every other human action, there is more than one way to do it with good results. Like you said, the key is repeatability or consistency. Great video!!
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Great job! Enjoyed hearing your insights on long range shooting.
M E Boyd Your welcome, thank you.
you may not be military but your track record speaks for itself. if you're makin hits past 4000yds so I think you got a say.
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This helped me so much! I’ve been having so much trouble shooting prone!
Hi Matt, glad that helped, Cheers
Very humble in your presentation of how you set you and your rifle up for long range. Everything from explaining why your feet are not down flat to why your stock is on your collarbone and so forth. Thank you for instilling 'consistency' as the wanted result. Excellent video.
Hi Andy, glad liked, hope it is of some help, Cheers
Very technical, very reasonable without all the RA RA you hear from the other channels. Beautiful weapons. You must be an engineer. :-)
Thanks Man, yes Automotive engineering for many years, Cheers
Awesome info, very balanced. Thank you for this video!
I really appreciate your honesty, and modest view of how u shoot and what u recommend 👍🏼
Cheers Man, thanks
Cracking video. Mark and Sam mange to share knowledge and expertise in a very honest and modest way. I think Mark is one of the best LR shooters in Oz.
Thanks Jim, glad you enjoyed and hope some of this helps, Cheers and all the best.
I would like to thank you for your time and great video. I am not new to shooting but new to precision shooting. Working my set up towards F-Class style shooting I have been trying different prone techniques. Your video has helped me out very much so I just wanted to thank you. Getting my chest off the ground and having my body completely comfortable throughout the shot has shown very good on the paper.
Thank you for the comment and very glad to have helped, Cheers and all the best.
Mark - just discovered your videos short time ago and have already learned a lot of great and valuable info. THANKS for the efforts, they are genuinely appreciated !!!
Thanks Emery, glad to share, Cheers
Best teacher I’ve seen on TH-cam ! Wow u just gave me so much to work on ! Right on!
Thanks Man
Quite the education, presented very well. I see the shooting system you use is as monolithic as the ammo. Conventionally The rifle is braced against the body, but with your technique the entire system incorporates repeatable motion that is very well regulated in total travel and direction literally in one with the whole unit from the brake to your toe,> right toe,< left toe! Everything is working together and I really appreciate you sharing this particular aspect of consistent accuracy.
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed, Cheers and all the best.
Mark. Always look forward to your videos. Your the man Great video Mate
Cheers Vernon. Thank you
You have a clear explanation for why you do everything. That was a real pleasure to listen to. New subscriber.
Thanks Man, glad you like cheers
I don't know what makes someone a professional shooter, and with that I don't know how your not a professional shooter!
Awesome video mate, and being 6ft6 and the same weight as you plus a bad back and knees makes shooting difficult, especially on a budget using rifle stocks made for people a head shorter then me. Good to see a video on how to adapt to shoot comfortably for you and not being told YOU MUST shoot this way or your never gonna hit the broadside of a barn.
Cheers from Victoria
Also loved your reloading video, great to see someone who can shoot like you do but without all the ridiculously expensive "custom" gear. I'm running a nearly identical setup to you
Thanks Beau, glad you enjoyed and hope some of that helps with what you are doing, Cheers and all the best.
Fantastic video! Thank you for sharing what you've obviously learned from years of practice. I'm tall also, so I think these techniques should work for me too.
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you like, hope some it helps, Cheers and all the best.
Let's just get this out of the way right now...SUBSCRIBED! Very well thought out and explained sir. Your knowledge and humility are a breath of fresh air, both of which go a long way toward gaining huge respect. I also like your "outside the box" thinking although in reality, your methodology is simply based on sound thought processes, attention to details, and applied physics. So, even though other "experts" might have various critiques of your shooting style, the bottom line is you get the job done...repeatedly. How you get there is moot. I don't give a rip what anyone says...you're a professional if you're ringing steel over 4K. I'm in the process of building a precision rig now and have been doing a TON of research on gear and techniques. Your vids have given me a lot to consider as I venture into this new area of shooting and I can't thank you enough. Keep them coming on any shooting topic you care to share with the world. We need more of what you're offering Mark. BTW...Texan here too and yeah...we'd get along just dandy. I'd totally dig having a few brews with you brother. Cheers!
Hi Greg, thank you for all that. Hope something of that is of some worth to you. Cheers and all the best.
Some very useful tips in this video that’s actually addressing a few wrong points in my shooting fundamentals right now that u can see in my posted video. Thanks for that!
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New to the channel but enjoying your videos, thanks for the time and effort.
Cheers Tim
yakbiker75 Welcome, Thanks and Cheers.
You guys give away amazing information. I love your humble approach, but you are a very intelligent critical thinker. Your videos are about things that I just haven't considered before, but the techniques are so common sense, once you illustrate them to us. I have learned MORE from you, than all other gun channels combined, when it comes to precision shooting. Thank you! You guys are awesome!
Cheers Jamie, glad you liked, Thanks
Absolutely Loved this video!! Thanks
+yabuddy311 Cheers
perfect video, helped confirm my technique of getting my body comfortable, i cant get real low either, and then getting the rifle with bipod and rear bag to fit ME!
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Great video! I love seeing the "think out of the box" ideas. Thank you... Add a beer to that Trg :-)
Thanks Man, Cheers
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experiences. Lots of good information.
+Todd B Thanks Todd, Cheers.
Always learning a critical foundation & points to systematically become repetitively consistent shooting.
Thanks
Blessings
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Very helpful! I’m new to precision shooting and an experienced shooter at the range told me my shooting position was too high, I use a Harris 9”-12” rather than a 6”-9”. Changing to a lower bipod is a big deal because I would have to change the height of my rear bags to match. Watching your video has restored my confidence that my slightly higher setup is just fine..
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Thanks for the info! I have my first small bore 100 yard prone match tomorrow morning and these thoughts will help me out! Have fun, Gerry
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Hello from Vancouver Canada. Thanks for that. I just got a 6.5 Swede in a sporterized configuration and found a spot where we can shoot out to 480m; small change for you, kinda pushing it for me. No luck so far, but this should help me get there. I'll report back!
Hi Patrick, glad you liked and hope it helps, Cheers
You’ve certainly addressed an issue I’ve been pondering. Although I’ve never shot prone and mostly shoot offhand, the few times I check drops and zero from a bench I have to firm up. Otherwise my groups open up. I manage to deal with the muscle fatigue that comes with firm grips and solid muscle flex. And have gotten quite proficient. However, this video makes me realize shooting doesn’t have to be the equivalent of a gym workout where you come out all pumped up-lol.Even with heavier recoiling cartridges. I need to work on this relaxed muscle approach; particularly as I age. Apparently Mark has made me realize it can be done. I am less perplexed, now I have to practice enough to figur it out to achieve proficiency. As always, good input Mark. Thanks this was very helpful!
Cheers, Thanks Vince
Love your video !
Thanks for sharing !
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I'm just starting on this longer range thing (400-1000)mtr and you have given me some very helpful insights to some things that could well get me out of the starting blocks faster so to speak awesome . from across the ditch lol NZ keep up the awesome work
Hi Mike, Glad you liked, Cheers and all the best.
Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge.
Good stuff!
+Snoozing Lion Cheers.
You actually answered one of my questions, that I asked you, from a previous video. I wondered exactly how much rearward pressure that I should be putting against my shoulder. You answered that for me.
Thanks again Jamie, Cheers
Thanks. My most difficult position to shoot from. I’m still learning yet this helps very much. Thanks
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Awesome .... clear lessons on what you and Sam do and why. I will enjoy these off season tips and tricks . Thank you for your time and efforts as your share your experience and knowledge...... thumbs up !!
Stay Safe and regards from the Panhandle of Texas....:o)
C. Perry Thanks Man, will have some more soon.
MarkandSam AfterWork I also appreciate the time and effort you 2 have put into your channel. I love the modifications you have engineered into your equipment. Thank you both.
Thank you for the that, great that you like. Cheers.
Great Video. Very helpful. Tks for sharing your knowledge
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Thanks for the breakdown. Its interesting to see how you break it down & analyse the problems & are prepared to think outside the square.
+1080sucks Thanks Man, Cheers
Going to give this lesson a go this afternoon just at various hunting distances tho. Cheers again
Awesome, thanks Paul
No truer words. You are a saint and a scholar.
Cheers Yong, thanks
Mark you may not be getting paid to shoot but by God you are certainly an expert . Yourself and Sam can surely have an opinion. Excellent tutorial . Greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪
Thanks tony, Cheers
Good job! Keep on !
+atanas iankov Will do, thanks and cheers.
I like your style brother. Good job!
+frogbutt747 Cheers.
Mate, great video, I watched again.
Thanks Mate, Cheers
Your a great teacher!
Thanks Dave, Cheers
Thank you....Good on ya, Mate !
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Great video. I'm just getting started, and the only problem I"m having is where to put the buttstock on my shoulder in prone. Just letting it bounce off my collarbone becomes uncomfortable quickly, and I'm just shooting a .308 lol. I'm glad I found your channel.
Thanks Man, sounds like you need a better recoil pad on the butt stock or a muzzle brake.
Thank you for the response! Do you have a suggestion on a brake? It's a Savage 10PT-SR, if that helps.
Not really, there are heaps out there and some good reviews, I would just suggest to get a side port unit rather than a radial ported unit, Cheers
Thanks mate great video!
+Benjamin Dollisson Cheers
Once again well done.
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Nice video.
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Thanks for a good and educational video! Well done.
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Really good video. simplistic and down to earth application of shooting position. Well presented. Thankyou
Thanks Man, Cheers
Great video very good information.
Subscribed and liked -going to watch more -keep up the good work.
+cr500mike Thanks Man, all the best.
Excellent fundamentals! You think like an engineer. How is this thing going to move?
You have addressed some issues that I have long thought should be true.
THANKS!
+Eric Anderson Cheers.
Thanks a bunch, I wish you could mentor me , I’m new at prone but am very eager to learn more. I am subscribing to your channel.👍👍
Thanks Jeff, cheers and all the best.
Thank you Sir very very informative lesson. Great job 👍💯
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very nice
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good stuff. thanks for taking the time to do this. learn the insightful aspects of what you do.
Andre Isis Thanks Andre
MarkandSam AfterWork
if you can put more info about the strengths & weaknesses of what the different equipment being sold to LR, that would be really great. that way we, as consumers, are better able to judge & be aware of the limitations. you can preface it like you did in this video that what are you are saying is YOUR experience & knowledge, nothing more or nothing less.
I will do a vid on how I set up our rifles, but as for product reviews, sorry not a review channel and not interested in becoming one.
All the best, Cheers.
MarkandSam AfterWork
sorry for mis-understanding. didnt mean product review but how you explained why you set up the way you do is good insight to what works for you may help me understand what may work for me.. that's all i meant.
OK, you may get that with the next video which will go into how I set up a rifle for long range shooting.
All the best and thanks for the comment.
Cheers.
awesome video I find it hard to shoot the way everyone shows. but that way is the most comfortable for me aswell shooting my 338 trg42
+Dallas Fred Thanks, Cheers and all the best.
Very nice, thank you!
+Jeannie Sargent Cheers!
Good enjoyable vids . What do you mean , it's the off season ?
Mr Tundranutz Thanks, Off season means winter, less time in the day, dark when we get up, wet ground and crops in the paddocks where we shoot our long range stuff. I will probably do a video on what conditions we use to do the type of shooting practise we do, that should help it make more sense. All the best, cheers.
16:25 Fascinating👍😃Thank you
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I would ask you to do a long range test with the Sako S20 6.5 creedmor medium barrel 24 inch rifle.
Thanx.
OK, send us one and we can, lol, Cheers
Can anyone identify the rear bag and rest elevator being used? Great information!
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you guys are amazing.
+Trevor Yates Thanks Trevor, cheers.
I wish that I could shoot prone, but the lack of flexibility doesn't allow me to get into even a semi-comfortable position. But, I can still use a lot of your techniques to my advantage, shooting from a table.
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Your are the same Mark, who owns Marks's Workshop in WA? If so, well done mate.
Yep, Cheers
Did anyone count how many times he said "essentially"? lol, love the videos by the way
+boostontap Cheers Man, all the best.
I am 6' 3" as well. Try one little change.
Put a butstock on the ball of your shoulder, instead of nesting it inside the pocket between your shoulder and the collar bone. The first time in my life I had sub 1/2 MOA group was when I made that change. It took me more than 3,000 rounds to discover it!
+HitAndMissLab As I said, some rifles need different things and if that works for you that's great, as I shoot in 1/4" to sub 1/4" groups, I might just stay doing what I'm doing. Cheers and all the best.FYI here is our last effort with Sam's 223 th-cam.com/video/SRj7OK-SNic/w-d-xo.html
1/4" groups are proof enough. I had a large Magnum which would kick the hell out of me if I had it on my collar bone. I have a 338 LM that won't. I do like the central axis of having the gun more on the collar bone.
Not sure if you will see this but I have the exact same stock and TRG bipod I want to mount it in the stock like you did. I have the finnacuracy adapter but it’s 2” away from the barrel. Did you mill that out and glue it in permanently or can you take itnout
I cut the stock up and inserted then re-glassed in a piece that a manufactured to do the job, all custom Tim, cheers
@@markandsamafterwork thanks for the info. I might chop that mount up from finn and attach it inside the stock somehow But I’ll be ordering a couple more muzzle breaks for my 7mm & 338 builds. Thanks again
thank you for the good lesson. one thing - you mentioned your thumb pressure, but what about your three fingers? do you pull back with fingers or finger tips? how much pull? oops you discussed this after you said this was everything! thanks, and i hope you can get to california for some shooting.
I don't pull, but you have find what you are comfortable with and works for you, Cheers
That slider you have under the rear stock, DIY or....?
We have options on our web store, link below video
What is the term for the slide you have under the butt of the stock? I think that is a genius attachment and am possibly overthinking in my search for it, hopefully you can tell me what I should be searching for!
Adjustable Bag base, link below video, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork, Thank you for showing us your technique. These are excellent shooting fundamentals, and these foundations will serve me well as I get into long range shooting one of these days. Do you do any other type of shooting outside of prone? I would love to see how you shoot when prone is not practical for whatever reason and what consistency and accuracy you can generate there.
Tyler Barton Thanks Tyler, yes we will have to do some of those vids of different positions, thanks for the suggestion. Cheers
Yes I will have get to and do some more of these vids with some of these technique's and equipment, just need to buy some time. Cheers again and all the best
Each body is different, this video finally allows the individual to find the sweet spot that allows you to become one with your rifle. Placing rounds on the target is the goal...not looking like a pro....hit the target says it all!
Thanks Peter, glad you liked, Cheers
Isn't it a pisser that other countries have such a wonderful variety of diesel vehicles to drive out to the range, of course. And all we have is a handful of full size pickups?
Lol, Cheers
Hi Mark great video ,
one question about your set up though.
I recently purchased a Sako trg 42 338 lapua mag and very happy with it.
How did you manage to raise the cheek piece up so high without optional spacers? Thanks
Thanks, I modified a lot on the TRG, the cheek rest as well, cheers
being 6'2 this helps thanks
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Would you shoulder a rifle the same way if you were shooting off hand or would the butt of the rifle go more towards the “pocket” of the shoulder?
Very different to off hand, but exact place that depends on details etc, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork would you have videos on it? I’m having trouble with cheek placement, is the stock suppose to be under the bone?
@@nono559 No I don't have any thing on off hand, I use many different techniques, depending on the rifle and the shoot, check riser/ stock to face is all personal preference, jaw, cheek, cheek bone, firm contact, light contact or no contact, etc, etc, as said depends on details. Find someone that shoots the same discipline and see what they can offer, Cheers