Why Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man was the best
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What's kind of hilarious about Harry getting amnesia is that it's comic accurate. Every single time an Osborn discovers Peter's identity, they get exposed to chemicals in a fight, or OD on drugs, or any number of things that result in them forgetting that Peter is Spider-man until they regain their memories out of the blue just to either die or lose them all again
Just because it’s comic accurate doesn’t mean it’s okay.
@@SoyboyPeter Very true. I wasn’t making an argument that it made this whole plot point good, just found it interesting how it does come from the comics (just forced into the narrative in a way that didn’t work because Raimi was forced to include Venom)
@@SoyboyPeter yes it does
@@SoyboyPeter stop it. Yall praise every movie for nostalgia and fan service, but you're trying shit on a film for purposefully nodding to the comics.
@@PsychoMoFoGaming no
I've noticed that each suit has it's lighting
Tobey's suit: sunrise or sunset
Andrew's suit: at night
Tom's suit : a sunny day
oh yea huh
Toms suit reminds me more of overcast
I dont think you understand what lighting is
@@_makeitreal_ that has bothing to do with the suits ratger the games enviornment. So what i said still stands
@@_makeitreal_ i accidentally tapped on the recommended next word and didnt notice. My ohon screen is busted.
I totally get why people don’t like Spider-Man 3, but I can’t help but love it and it is my favorite of this trilogy by far
Definitely the most rewatchable. And that “Birth of the Sandman” scene is one of my favorite scenes in any superhero film.
@@MightyAverage agreed
I will forever sing the praises of Spider-Man 3. What an amazing movie. I don’t think people truly understand what that movie was trying to do. Both Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are a set up for this (duh) and when you really look at everything that happened in the previous movies it makes this movie so much better. All the characters suck right now. Peter is an arrogant jerk who starts taking his loved ones for granted, and after a life of hardship and loss the second that his life starts going well his ego inflates with it. M.J. is tired of feeling like a failure, contrast to Peter’s now success, and is afraid she can’t tell him about being fired for her poor performance in her play. She’s mad at Peter for his arrogance, but then runs to Harry the second that issues arise in her relationship with Peter, showing how afraid of commitment she is. Harry is angry at Peter for taking his father away, but more than that, he’s angry that his father was RIGHT. He feels like a loser. Peter way always smarter, Peter got the straight A’s, Peter had his father’s love. He’s pissed at Peter for taking that, AND then taking his father away. His hate for Peter causes him to hurt M.J. as well, his friend and even love. The first two movies have put all of their relationships on the stovetop and let them heat, and Spider-Man 2 ends with the water boiling hot. Now the third movie happens and everything boils over. The anger, the pride, the hate, the loss and the pain, and each character has to learn to forgive each other, the main point of the film. Peter has to forgive Marco for shooting his uncle, and forgive himself of his own mistakes. M.J. has to forgive Peter for hurting her, and learn to appreciate what she has. Harry also has to forgive Peter, and even himself for the terrible things he’s done in the movie. Even doing so far as to literally let himself be stabbed to death to save his best friend. Yes it’s a lot and there isn’t enough time to flesh out everything that’s in play, but there’s so much understanding and so much heart in these characters that just doesn’t show in other adaptations. This movie balances what it means to forgive others and yourself, and also what happens when feelings are unresolved for a long time. The fact that anyone thinks this is a bad movie is beyond me. Also the memes. C’mon people, the memes in not only this movie, but the trilogy?? Freaking perfect
It's my second favorite movie because it's very funny but I don't think it's very good though there are some really good moments in it too
People talk all that shyt about Tobey Maguire being the best Spider Man but hate part 3.
The scene where he realizes if he was Spider-Man he could have saved everyone in the burning building is not only the best Spider-Man scene of all time but arguably the best scene out of any superhero film. It just fully sells the need for superhero’s and does it in the best possible ways.
The flavor is definitely pizza.
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Your points against Spider-Man 3 are exactly what I love about it. It's genuinely depressing, everybody is mad at each other and nothing seems to go right, which is fitting since Peter donning the black suit, a symbol of anger and revenge, is one of the main focuses of the movie. At the end, even though we see Peter and MJ dancing together, they don't look happy. Because they're thinking about all the shit they went through and how rough it has been for both of them, because of Spider-Man.
But idk, I love dark and depressing movies in general so I may be biased lol
I think that was probably them reconciling
It was also recently said that the unmade Spider-Man 4 would've followed Peter moving on from being with MJ, and continues being Spider-Man. Meaning the ending of SM3 would've ended Peter and MJ's relationship.
@@brandonspain12345 I guess No Way Home changes that as I remember him saying they 'worked it out' or something, correct me if i'm wrong.
@@thisbubblygoodness7611
Well there was also supposed to be a second trilogy, with 5 and 6 being a two-parter as they would be filmed at the same time, which was a pretty big deal at the time, but obviously it never happened.
Maybe Peter and MJ have reconciled, maybe they got married, maybe they separated again, maybe they're still just friends. For all we know they could just be managing living together to take care of their kids, so... it's left open for us to speculate.
I personally hope they're separated because, if there's something we learned about their relationship in the trilogy, they're better off together and Peter deserves better.
I agree
Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man defined my childhood for me. Those 3 movies made love super heroes, comics, cartoons, games and even cinema in general. It is my personal favorite trilogy of all time. Still sad that Spider-Man 4 was cancelled.
Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland are great actors that have their places in the Spider-Man mythos, but Tobey Maguire will always be my Spider-Man 🕷🕸
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no one can beat the Rami Spider-man movies
New sm movies will come and go but Raimis trilogy will live forever and no its not fucking nostalgia its because they are really well made movies especially the first 2 even Martin Scorsese agrees with me
@@johnrockyryancalm down man 😭
Agreed he was my childhood tobey will always be my favourite ❤
I love how grateful people are in these movies, should be a reminder on why people should make their neighborhood a friendly one.
Thank you sadaharu chomping gintoki 🥰🥰
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This is one the best comments I've ever read on TH-cam. Our neighborhoods are freaking ruined 😡
@@halima974what
The things this movie changes from the source material are all from the 90's show, and this movie adapts scenes from the 90's show as well
That’s a W
I kinda wish Spectacular had a similar art style to the 90s one. I heard Spectacular is very well-written but the art style reminds me of how Ben 10 changed to more of a young kid's cartoon animation style - relatively speaking of course - after Alien Force (and the series that came after if I recall correctly). I am not ashamed to watch something like Ed Edd n Eddy as an adult (brilliant show with surprising amounts of subtle adult humor and genuine wisdom), but for some reason the art style of Spectacular is off-putting to me. If anyone is willing to try to convince me to watch anyway I'll be happy to read and consider.
I just find it funny that mj cheats on Peter so many times throughout the trilogy and Peter doesn't know about it but the one time he cheats on her she's furious
It's kind of realistic in a way if you study evolutionary psychology and sexually dimorphic evolutionary biology (both for humans and other animals) and how it pertains to the modern world. There is something to be said about a double standard existing. It's believable. There are different double standards for each sex. It's really interesting stuff to learn about and gives me a lot more patience, compassion, and understanding about how the opposite sex (as well as my own) differs from the other. I think Raimi (and/or the script writer) understood this stuff, even if only subconsciously.
@@mikeexits oh cool
FUN FACT
The planned Raimi-verse villain/antihero line-up during development was originally:
· SM1's Doc Ock & Green Goblin.
· SM2's Black Cat & Lizard.
· SM3's New Goblin, Sandman & Vulture.
· SM4's Agony, Carnage & Venom.
It didn't fall through because Sam Raimi isn't very good with war-triangles for the hero, he finally did it in the threequel but the villains felt too crammed together.
This is just simply not true, like not even close. Did you even watch the video? Raimi never wanted to use Venom. He was pigeonholed into the movie by the studio from the very beginning.
@@craigsovilla6578
Actually that last one was based on Raimi's cancelled Venom spinoff.
All Sony had to do with the Symbiotie Family Arc was just wait on it for another sequel instead of forcing it into the third film, the black suit was enough at that point.
I remember hearing that Tobey is claustrophobic in real life. Don’t know if that’s the main reason he takes his mask off so much, but it could have something to do with it
I don’t think that Peter’s rage towards the world is completely absent. His fight with Flash is kinda along those lines. He did enjoy beating up Flash.
I wish there was more of it; though.
Uncle Ben’s killer as well. Very aggressive compared to the typical recent portrayal of a sorta ditsy awkward and quipping kind of spider man. Love how down to earth Raimi’s directing is
I always believed that Aunt May knew Peter was Spider-Man in the second movie, but never pieced that together with the third movie. I can’t imagine what Aunt May’s reaction was at 26:45, when Peter basically tells her that he killed someone. The horror in her face when she realizes her nephew who she thought would never hurt a fly, killed someone, and from the looks of it, felt no remorse. Must’ve been surreal since she raised him.
Also, notice that Harry and Peter have to deal with visions of their father figures.
Peter sees visions of Ben and Harry sees visions of Norman.
These movies are perfect at "show dont tell" in terms of emotion and what the characters are thinking
1:37 That's not "homophobia." Peter is just making fun of Bonesaw's sense of masculinity, so no "points off."
In Sam Raimi's Spider-man trilogy, you can feel the love the director has for the source material. Many of the shots in these three films are setup like panels from a comic book. Even better is the magic you see with each viewing. While his scene was cut from Spide-man 1, Eddie is still mentioned when Jameson is yelling for pictures of Spider-man and he's told, "Eddie's been on it for weeks, we can't get a good picture of him" (Eddie does appear in the novelization of the film). It's shame there wasn't a Spider-man 4 as Raimi did have a plan to start with Bruce Campbell as Mephisto would have been perfect (like Campbell's appearances in the other three films). I fell in love with Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man, and despite the meme complaints about his performances, some of his heartfelt scenes still make me cry. There's a reason why the audience was cheering at his appearance in Spider-man No Way Home, Tobey was the first Spider-man, he is Spider-man One.
I grew up with Sam Raimi's spidey. it will always be the best spider-man and classic
I was BEYOND happy to see my boy Toby on the big screen again in No Way Home.
I'm sure many Tobey's fans went to watch the movie to see him again, the one and only Spiderman for me 😻💯🙌
@@belkyb14 so did I, I just wanted to see him again even tho it was obvious already that he would return in the big screen after 10 years
He was talking about comic accuracy but didn’t even mention how “with great power comes great responsibility” wasn’t even from uncle Ben. It was originally in a narrative panels.
Didn't want to ruin our childhood I guess 🤷
Spier-man 2, Superman 1978 and Batman 1989 are the definition of perfection for super hero films.
Joke wasn’t homophobic. It was a compliment. How the person receiving it responds will make it homophobic 😂
In regards to Uncle Ben's death in TASM 1, I do see it as tied to Peter's actions, not a random thing.
- Peter abuses his powers in school and breaks the backboard while humiliating FLash
- Uncle Ben has to leave work to come to the Principle's office and now has to work a late shift, entrusting Peter to pick Aunt May up from work
- Peter gets distracted and so focused on his interaction with Gwen and his work with Connors that he actively ignored Ben's calls and forgets to pick up Aunt May
- Peter gets home late, realizes he screwed up, gets into an argument with Ben about his dad (because he's had issues regarding his parents leaving ever since they left)
- He storms out, doesn't do anything about the guy robbing the store (even if he did get his milk, he wouldn't have done anything because he's angry and a bit selfish)
- Uncle Ben comes across the guy as he's looking for Peter and was the only person who tried to do the right thing
Basically, the chain of events that led to Ben's death were a lot longer and more tied to Peter's emotional baggage over his parents (which has made him socially distant from others, which is why the whole "Andrew's Peter is too cool to not be popular" argument is very flimsy to me. No matter how much he gels his hair, no matter how much he skateboards, he's always going to have those emotional issues that distances himself from others, because "good looks" does not automatically mean someone is "popular")
Well put!
I think TASM Ben did the stupid thing. It’s not illegal to have a gun in New York, and even if it was the robber wasn’t trying to hurt anyone, he was a just trying to escape with some money. His gun fell out of his pocket and Ben decided to try and grab it despite being an old man who realistically couldn’t do anything to stop him. He would have been of more use if he had done nothing and then gave a description to the police.
@@jakerobinson9475 To me, while it can be seen as a stupid move in hindsight, Ben’s first instinct was to get the gun away from the obvious criminal in the moment (because who knows what the guy could have done afterwards).
But I do think the deleted version of his death has just as much an impact, but it probably would have had the same people complaining that “he was stupid to go down the alleyway”. I’ve just come to accept that people will always complain about things no matter what (and while there can be a bit of merit to the arguments, I don’t think the smaller issues are that big of a deal compared to bigger narrative problems in comparison)
@@moviehermit5631 I don’t have a problem with the alternate death scene, while stupid it makes more sense since he’s terrified about what could happen to his nephew. If the actual death scene had showed the robber threatening someone and Ben was protecting them, his actions would make sense. But there’s a difference between having the moral responsibility to help someone else, and putting yourself in danger for absolutely no reason.
Facts
One thing bothered me about Spider-Man 2 is when Peter after giving up his role as the Spider-Man, sees 2 guys mugging and assaulting a man on a dark street and he does nothing, I mean even if Peter didn't want to use his powers, he could've at least called the police😂😂😂
Being comic accurate isn't arguably THE reason why Tobey's portrayal of Spidey is the best.
I don't think spiderman 3 is bad, I think it was just overly ambitious with trying to balance so many different plots that clearly did not work that well together. I think it can be mostly chalked up to the studio interference in forcing venom into the movie, venom should have waited another movie at least
The 2000s and any year before that is the best time era for Spider-Man to exist in
After he said Harry get amnesia with him forgetting the last two movies, I get an add that just screams out "WHAAAAAT." It was too perfect😂
The “homophobia” as you put it is very accurate of Peter Parker. Stan Lee the creator had no problem with it, who cares if modern day people think that Peter was pro anything goes sexually.
Spiderman 3 has a really special place in my heart. Though I understand that it undoes quite a lot that was established in the previous 2 movies and that the writing is sloppy there’s an aspect about it that I don’t see talked much about that makes it special to me.
I’ve always looked up to Spider-Man (like many people) and done my best to be better and to always be a good person. However I’ve made mistakes in the past, many of which I’m extremely ashamed of. These mistakes constantly make me doubt whether or not I’m a good person, but then I think of Spider-Man 3. Peter is an absolute asshole in this movie, he makes some of the worst choices ever throughout the runtime of the movie even going as far to hit Mary Jane under the influence of the symbiote. Yet whenever I think of Tobeys Peter Parker I think of him as a good person. Despite the unjustifiable acts he makes in Spider-Man 3 at the end of the trilogy he’s still a good person, just one that’s made heavy mistakes. Because of this movie, forgiving myself for my mistakes has become easier. And it’s become easier to accept that I’m not a bad person for having made mistakes. And to me the help it’s given me is more than enough to look past the flaws in the movie
Sam Raimi liked the ORIGINAL spiderman comics. They are what started this.
I think the cute outfit line is more just to piss the wrestler off, as Spider-Man does. He makes annoying jokes and remarks, and I don't believe he's actually homophobic in the movie. He's just trying to piss bone saw off.
I’m also kind of joking in that clip, I know he didn’t mean it like that probably
@@amazingpsm it's all good, I thought it may have been but it wasn't super obvious either
Now I know this isn't related, but imagine the office, but instead in the daily bugle, that'd be just hilarious tho
8:05 to be fair, that was from a deleted/ extended scene. Not the original theatrical release.
Damn. That thumbnail looks sick. Tobey's mask is so menacing even without the symbiote on.
See I love TASM as well (not the comics) and I think that Ben’s death is kind of stupid. It tried to adapt the ultimate comics storyline and it was hit and miss to me.
17:43 when u see a shark in the water LOL
He may not be hotheaded but when he FIGHTS!? Brother is out for blood
Absolutely love this idea for deconstructing the films! Great job Kai, hope you have a great weekend!
7:57 Hah, the Prop Mask on Tobey looks really funny in that scene. The eyes especially. I do sorta miss the prop mask thing.
bro talking about that train scene almost brought me to tears asdfghjk such a timeless movie honestly
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@@belkyb14 tf
Great video Kai, I liked how u talked more about the feeling and vibe of each movie than technical specs, I really want to see more of it for other movies.
Bro I love how mad he always gets 💀
It's funny how you mentioned that he constantly taking his mask off cause Tom's Spiderman constantly kept his mask on but still managed to have the whole world discover his identities faster than Tobey ever did. Which makes the line in No Way Home all the more ironic when Tobey was teasing Tom for not being able to hide his identities.
The fact that, if Tobey Maguire doesn't get this role , Andrew and Tom is not gonna be Spider-man ,this is fax
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I think Peter asking if he deserved the parade was him being a pick me boy💀
The Symbiote being in 3 was definitely the problem. If it was how Raimi wanted it with Sandman and Harry's Goblin it would have had much more time to breathe, and then in Spidey 4 they could have brought on the Symbiotes
Honestly I think Tom took off his mask way more than Tobey’s
19:31 Hey, flipping burgers in McDonald’s isn’t that terrible because I literally work there.
That line wasn't homophobia, it was hilarious. L take.
Agreed
I will never understand why these people insist on inserting their dumb political beliefs into videos that have nothing to do with it. There's so much to watch out there, I ain't sticking around after hearing a dumbass take. He saved me 35 minutes.
Yikes you guys did not like that joke
@@nanasenoah8139 Exactly.
I will forever sing the praises of Spider-Man 3. What an amazing movie. I don’t think people truly understand what that movie was trying to do. Both Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are a set up for this (duh) and when you really look at everything that happened in the previous movies it makes this movie so much better. All the characters suck right now. Peter is an arrogant jerk who starts taking his loved ones for granted, and after a life of hardship and loss the second that his life starts going well his ego inflates with it. M.J. is tired of feeling like a failure, contrast to Peter’s now success, and is afraid she can’t tell him about being fired for her poor performance in her play. She’s mad at Peter for his arrogance, but then runs to Harry the second that issues arise in her relationship with Peter, showing how afraid of commitment she is. Harry is angry at Peter for taking his father away, but more than that, he’s angry that his father was RIGHT. He feels like a loser. Peter way always smarter, Peter got the straight A’s, Peter had his father’s love. He’s pissed at Peter for taking that, AND then taking his father away. His hate for Peter causes him to hurt M.J. as well, his friend and even love. The first two movies have put all of their relationships on the stovetop and let them heat, and Spider-Man 2 ends with the water boiling hot. Now the third movie happens and everything boils over. The anger, the pride, the hate, the loss and the pain, and each character has to learn to forgive each other, the main point of the film. Peter has to forgive Marco for shooting his uncle, and forgive himself of his own mistakes. M.J. has to forgive Peter for hurting her, and learn to appreciate what she has. Harry also has to forgive Peter, and even himself for the terrible things he’s done in the movie. Even doing so far as to literally let himself be stabbed to death to save his best friend. Yes it’s a lot and there isn’t enough time to flesh out everything that’s in play, but there’s so much understanding and so much heart in these characters that just doesn’t show in other adaptations. This movie balances what it means to forgive others and yourself, and also what happens when feelings are unresolved for a long time. The fact that anyone thinks this is a bad movie is beyond me. Also the memes. C’mon people, the memes in not only this movie, but the trilogy?? Freaking perfect
the editing in this video is incredible
another great video from PSM
Can take a moment to talk about Peters landlord daughter, she was there for him more than MJ and would had be a better gf 😂
Yeah shes prettier too
Spider-Man 1, 2 - Definitive
Spider-Man 3 - best cinematography
TASM - very scientific and grounded
TASM 2 - futuristic
Homecoming - youngest Spider-Man
Far from home - perfect CGI and timing
No way home - A love letter for the fans
Most of these are a stretch
That comment wasn’t homophobic, it was an attack to an overtly masculine guy’s pride, which would definitely work.
As if snowflakes are rational enough to understand that.
@@KenMasters. No, obviously, but I’ve seen this moronic take one too many times, felt like I had to state the obvious. They even call him something like “the king of testosterone” while surrounded by a bunch of hotties a few minutes prior to the fight, of course calling him “gay” would set him off.
I love that quip against him lol ofcourse this guy has to call it homophobic. Everthing these days is homphobic apparently
@@MistahJay7
You know what else is "homophobic"?
Spider-Man's suit, where's the orange, yellow, purple, and green?
He wasn't being homophobic He was being open-minded by not assuming a manly wrestler was straight
Tobys spiderman released while i was in the second grade, Andrews Spiderman released when i finished high school, and Toms spiderman released when i got my first full time job.
Spidey actually was a tv star in spider-man 1, watch the city montage scene which adapts this concept.
The reason he keeps taking off the mask is to show emotion in The Mask you can't show that much emotion and that's why he keeps taking off his mask
Spider-Man 3 was pretty mid, but I can’t help but love both the suits of Black Suit and Topher’s Venom
Same here
And plus they cut a lot of footage from that movie
what happened with the 3rd movie? the higher ups, that's what. they were pushing Venom to be in it so much that Raimi had to rewrite the script to fit the Symbiote into the story.
When I was like 4 I used to think Hoffman and Peter were the same lmao
We had camera phones in the 2000’s, bro. Not as much as now but there were plenty around.
It's the 2000s aesthetic indeed. It's a world we all wanna go back to because there was a balance of technology, paparazzi, and realness
Spider man 2 is a gem
The use of the PS1 music is just nostalgic as hell. I almost want to cry
"That's a cute outfit did your husband give it to you" is a legendary quip and one of my favorite ones. Not homophobic one bit. So sensitive....
I understand a big complain about SM3 is about all the plot points and enemies but it really shows how even when it looks like Peter’s life is going well and then everything goes to shit.
You do have to keep in mind that the Peter Parker taking his mask off thing was okay back then cuz not every street had high-definition cameras and not every person had high-definition cameras on their phones or even camcorders that was way back in the day, when you would go out and very rarely did you get a photo taken of you.
"what flavor is spider man's suit?"
why would you wanna know how spider man's suit tastes like
Director Sam Raimi understood and respected the character.
Each flavor is different but all are delicious
One of the things Spider-Man is most known for is being a quip expert. He’s funny and quick witted.
Toby had very few moments where he even cracked a joke. Hard to like his portrayal more than Holland, well it’s impossible for me considering Holland was actually funny and charismatic
I think you are kinda wrong about Mj not having an arc in Spider-Man 3. I mean yea she doesn't specifically have an arc that starts and ends within Spider-Man 3 but her arc is a bigger arc that which started in the very first movie.
Mj has been pushed away by Peter constantly since the first movie, even though Peter just wants to keep her save. He refuses her in the first movie and then he quits being Spider-Man in the second movie so he wants her again and then he decides that he will be Spider-Man forever so he sends her again.
And even with all these stuff, Spider-Man 2 ends with Mj running to the Peter, in her weeding dress. She is the one who ultimately saves their relationship because according to Peter, Spider-Man can't be in a relationship.
So Mj's arc in Spider-Man 3 is basically frustration. Frustration towards her carrer, frustration towards her boyfriend and all that. She fails in her dream job and when she steps out of the theather she saws a crowd cheering. She immediately assumes that the crowd is for her. She assumes that whole frustration of the sad little girl abused by her father comes to an end. But no. Crowd is cheering for Spider-Man.
And when she talks to Peter about her struggle in work, Peter barely cares. And when Peter kisses the Gwen that's the last stroke for Mj, which leads her to cheat him with Harry. The only person she could find in her hardest time and btw right after she kisses Harry, she immediately regrets it.
Overall I'm not s huge fan of this arc or her story either but there is definitely something there when you think about it.
the only spider man that was on almost every brand of products when the movies came out lol
Um 😐, I think you need to check out the 90’s Amazing SpiderMan.
Spectacular was good, but the 90’s version is more comic book accurate.
What i love about Raimi spiderman, is the simple fact that he's really just an average guy like us.
The duo-life problems, relationship problems, family problems..A job. RENT. Studies. Like yeah, that could be anyone.
My goodness, what's with people calling Peter homophobic because he made a joke about macho-man masculinity? Seriously, they're acting as if he said a slur or something.
Bro it was a joke about how people say that
@@johnrockyryan Yeah I don't think everybody think like that.
Good analysis. Can’t wait to see your later installments.
The scene when he takes his mask off in the car isn’t in the theatrical release.
Ruining his life to be spider-man flows pretty logically from his motivations.
A) before he git his powers he had very limited agency over the conditions of his life, and being someone with real *power* feels tremendously good. It's *fun* to be spider-man. That's where he feels most alive and most himself.
B) that sense of power is now stained forever by immense guilt.
So he's kind of locked into a shame/guilt spiral, but also really enjoys it.
His growth comes when he realizes that Ben's death wasn't actually his fault, and that Ben probably meant something like "show up for the people in your life" and not "crucify yourself forever."
Ben was a great guy, but I'm not sure a Queens plumber really knows "great power" actually is like.
I'd say the universe is accurate, but Raimi Peter is basicly the exact opposite of comics Peter from the high school and college years even in terms of character arcs.
Yeah, he's more of a response to Christopher Reeves' Clark Kent/Superman than anything really feeling like Peter Parker.
He's a bit too soft & meek, which kinda damaged how Peter is perceived coming outta the Raimi trilogy.
@@SlingMeAWeb Exactly, during college Peter was a confident joker who was being fought over by two girls and had a bike that was seen as cool at the time. And even during the origins, Peter was already a jerk, not that he was a jerk for a bit after getting powers, where the whole thing was that he didn't act this one time and it cost him a loved one, not a revenge to a "mean guy" that didn't give him money. Even Spider-man No More happened because the media conviced him it would be more responsible to stop being Spider-man and to have more time for his friends, not because everyone hated him and hurt him and him hating being Spidey, he loves it for the most part.
15:55 the way that doc oc is moving smoothly with his chest out on front sligthly smiling as MJ is screaming in pure agony pain and fear is so fucking funny when te cheerfull undertale/deltarune music on the backround FUCKİNG PEAK COMEDY HOLY GOD DAMN FUCKİNG SHİT
Today I learned SMG4 is a soundfont
Fun fact: In the Spiderman Game based on the Raimiverse, Spiderman's costume was made by a wrestler costumer designer. Gave it to peter because he was impressed.
Just heard about this so I can't be 100% sure
It's a fact but you're not 100% sure???
Read the Spider-Man 2 novelization, it's confirmed.
I love Spider-Man 2. Give me more of that shit omg
28:49
“Nah, imma do my own thing”
Also wanted to mention, the only reason why Dr. Otto Octavius went evil was because he was under mind control.
The neural chip on Octavius’ spine was to control the arms.
The chip exploded, so the arms started controlling him instead…
It wasn't really mind control. More like really aggressive convincing.
I always interpreted it as the voices in the back of his head manifesting in the movements of the arms
I would love it if in a Spider-Man videogame you can get main story missions from JJ Jameson where he’s just harassing them until he can get pictures of Spider-Man beating them up
The guy who plays Hoffman is Sam raimi brother I loved Hoffman 😂
I love the uniqueness of Raimis Spider-Man and the webs, theyre completely organic which isnt very common for Spiderman. It makes this rendition feel unique compared to others.
I love Peter's homophobia. It was a good joke.
You love homophobia? That's wild dawg
MJ isn't exactly a tool in the third. She's someone who's frustrated because she doesn't feel like Peter ( the person who had been there for her all through out the first two and listened to her) is no longer listening and hearing her. That's why she ends up with Harry... She feels abandoned by Pete and he pops up to hear her.
I think Spider-Man 3 starts strong but as soon as venom gets involved the pace goes at a break neck speed
I love when you use F-zero music!
Why does Peter keep being Spiderman?
Because that's what heroes do.
FINALLY
SOMEONE GETS SPIDERMAN 3
Very good analysis towards the theme of the movie.