Man that's a great description. I see lots of videos talking about urethane and transition without discussing the mechanics of what is happening with the oil (typically it breaks usually ends up with us watching a bowler take a bunch of shots). This really helped!
Ok I got a brunswick attitude ball and super nova and the black n pink black widow ball what ball would u recommend for a spare ball or a middle ball and end ball
Thx for breaking that down visually, very cool, also if you move left and try to miss the hang area good luck getting it down the lane on shorter patterns if you barely touch the finger holes its going through the nose, great video, cheers!
As a guy who throws a power stroker shot I do hate seeing urethane in tournaments. I get that they are necessaties for 2 hander and high rev bowlers. It does make it a bit tough like he explains for everyone else. But its all part of the game and we all have to adjust.
When you know you are going to a pair that had urethane thrown on it and urethane was scoring high on that pair, why would you also not use urethane on that pair? Why would you try to use resin when you know it will not work?
@@Thunderpulse That's their fault for not having one. Does a golfer not bring a complete set of clubs? Same thing. Bowlers must be prepared for all conditions and have a ball that suits each condition. That means resin, urethane and plastic.
The oil in the middle of the lane is being consumed by people throwing reactive. Urethane is carrying oil down. So you have to move left to get the ball down the lane and then it won't get "up the hill" and hit well.
Well your hurting the sport. People wont stay there, bowling is declining and then we got People like you😮 We have more and more No urethan tournaments in my area. People dont think its fun anymore. Its like the 2h army driving over the field with a semi truck. I used to look up to the best. Not that impressed anymore.
@@barkanellichasingdreams4142 All you sound like is someone making excuses for a sport where the old timers cant figure out how to change with the times. There is no single reason anything is going wrong with bowling. its a multitude of things and specific bowling balls and ways to throw a ball are NOT one of them. especially considering MOST of the people against 2hand are against it because they think we should all bowl with 2 fingers and a thumb because thats "The way it was designed to be" yet the original way it was designed to be played was one finger meaning uh oh all thes one hand purists are not even bowling correctly as it was designed
i played a guy that is a 2 hander and threw urethane completely decimating my scores. he played in about 15-20. would my move should have been to play up 10?
Why not just pull out urethane ??? For some people urethane just works for their game......on any pattern....... At this point you cannot ban anything.....one hand.....two hands.......wood......rubber.....polyester......urethane.....reactive.......particle.......???? If you are the best of the best.....a true professional.....you will figure out a way to score....to knock down enough wood to come out on top......
Thanks to Jr I've gone to the blitz and before that only like urethane if I could get it back from outside 5 people ask me to push oil down a few times but usually just practice
@@jasontom7278 To an extent... While "short oil" patterns in the 26-foot range were popular, long patterns were still very common. Manufacturers came out with higher durometer (harder) and pearl urethanes to combat short oil. There was still the never-ending race between manufacturers to develop the softest, most porous urethanes to combat long and heavy oil conditions. Obviously, the advent of reactive resins, and later particle reactives, changed the game forever. Yes, patterns then adapted to this new "hook in a box" equipment.
Interesting idea.... Not sure you have the same idea now but I have seen people throw sanded balls which destroy the lanes totally and also two handers make the lane shape harder as well... The question becomes should you make the game easier for you and my answer would be yes.....
JR being that your a proshop guy you might want to answer to us all why not score with urethane on the ditch or turn to a different ball / in combination with hand release instead of pure ball reaction ....
The issue goes deeper. The amount of oil on the lanes has tripled over the past couple of decades. Why? Because the oil is needed to "contain" reactive resin. It's not the fault of urethane balls that this is becoming unmanageable. The problem is that people pursue easy points using high-tech balls and less importance is given to quality shot making. No wonder that the sport is in steep decline. Why would an ordinary bowler need to own three or more expensive balls? Don't expect the ball manufacturers to solve this, they are the ones who benefit.
I appreciate the explanation, but I don't agree. It's a game of skills AND tactics. I think that the scores are already very very high. With new oilpatterns the USBC, or whoever is responsible for that, should create tough conditions to make it more interesting and difficult. Scores of 250 and higher are nuts and are only good for TV....
So during a sporting match, the defense (oil pattern) changes, and you're unable to adapt your offense (ball choice and how you throw it) so you cry about it?
It seems like a lot of bowlers find excuses instead of just changing to fit the needs of the lane they are bowling on.I guess it’s just easier to blame someone else’s bowling ball then your own lack of bowling better.
Here’s an idea nobody will like. Level out the lane conditions such that all bowlers suffer equally. How? Use extremely long oil patterns. How about a 50 foot pattern. Call it the No hook pattern. Urethane balls cause excessive carry-down? So what!! Now carry-down won’t affect the dry much at all because there is no dry. But that will affect scores. Yes, I bet it will. The tournament winner may average 180. A 210 game would be awesome. Of course, bad spare shooters will complain that the conditions are designed to disadvantage them. My idea is not new. There was the old Peterson Classic. The lanes had no dots, no arrows. They applied oil “with a mop.” Very difficult conditions. The tournament was not famous for high scores. It was known for the tough conditions. Here’s another idea that everyone will hate. Bowlers draw lots to determine which pair of lanes they will bowl on for a block. You stay on your pair. This eliminates having to bowl on a pattern destroyed by other bowlers who use those nasty urethane balls. Between blocks, the lanes are made fresh. So when you return to bowl your next block, you have a fresh pattern. This idea would present added work and expense for lane preparation. And there is probably a time factor. But it would make the lanes fresh and fair for all bowlers. I bet bowling experts can solve the carry-down issue with better ideas than I have presented here if they work on it.
Lol People acting like my cute little purple ball destroying their precious oil when 2 handers with sanded balls aren't. Reactive balls also sucking up the oil like a sponge removing oil from the lane and also pushing oil around. Do they think that ball spinning high rpm going 15+ mph absorbs at that rate. Lmao People blame urethane saying it should be banned, cry harder. 🤣
RIP Dick Weber. If he was alive and in his prime today he would grab something dull, spin it straight up the 6 or 7 board and smack down 5-7s all day long. (He wouldn't be fazed if he left a 5-pin now and then.). Leave nothing but 4-pins and 10-pins (no crazy washouts or 2-8-10s), make all his spares and laugh his way to 225-240 every game.
Interesting 🧐 the second time around... everyone has a urethane ball in their bag or in a bag in the trunk of their car or truck... somewhere close... lol... league, tournament and professional should know to adjust accordingly... especially when we talk to each other... scouts lanes... before, during tournaments... with ball reps, coaches, friends and other bowlers... urethane will always be part of the game until USBC and the PBA say no mas... just my thoughts... 🤔💭🧐💭
Agreed. And JRs drawing is a pure fairy tale. All balls move oil down the lane to some extent. His sketch implies that urethane balls jump in the air when they exit the pattern, land at the break point, and deposit oil there. In the real world balls roll out of the pattern, leaving streaks of oil down the lane.
I agree with everything and would like to add. It has a lot to do with flare (not only urethane). No or low faring balls create similar carry down. Instead of banning urethane my suggestion is: one player, one lane for all the games in a block. Let those who like to play with urethane follow them selves and deal with the lane that they create. What’s your view on that?
@@denmanfite3156 As someone who has bowled tournaments for 5 years and just recently got my first urethane ball, just get good. You cant ban a bowling ball just because you cant adjust based on the conditions.
@@denmanfite3156 so do you believe for it to be fair that everyone should use the same ball. Make it consistent across the board. Then no one would have anything to complain about. And then you could make everyone throw the same way as well.
Man that's a great description. I see lots of videos talking about urethane and transition without discussing the mechanics of what is happening with the oil (typically it breaks usually ends up with us watching a bowler take a bunch of shots). This really helped!
Ok I got a brunswick attitude ball and super nova and the black n pink black widow ball what ball would u recommend for a spare ball or a middle ball and end ball
@ 6:50 when you say short can you be specific...like how many feet are you calling short in this teaching?? Thanks!
Thx for breaking that down visually, very cool, also if you move left and try to miss the hang area good luck getting it down the lane on shorter patterns if you barely touch the finger holes its going through the nose, great video, cheers!
Great video and analysis, completely agree.. If I go to a lane where they are using Urethane, I grab my urethane to play a similar line.
As a guy who throws a power stroker shot I do hate seeing urethane in tournaments. I get that they are necessaties for 2 hander and high rev bowlers. It does make it a bit tough like he explains for everyone else. But its all part of the game and we all have to adjust.
It's a problem when people use carry down balls near the gutter, it can actually be beneficial if it's deeper inside and creates a shim
When you know you are going to a pair that had urethane thrown on it and urethane was scoring high on that pair, why would you also not use urethane on that pair?
Why would you try to use resin when you know it will not work?
When someone does not have a urethane ball
@@Thunderpulse That's their fault for not having one. Does a golfer not bring a complete set of clubs? Same thing.
Bowlers must be prepared for all conditions and have a ball that suits each condition. That means resin, urethane and plastic.
@@nordattack what if someone did not have the money for it?
@@Thunderpulse If they can't afford a bowling ball then why are they paying entry fees for a tournament?
@@nordattack alright fair point you win
Thank you for this tip and visual. Definitely explains the issue I'm going through. What you move to a stronger hooking ball and play more inside?
Awesome video!!! This is so true even in college bowling. It almost turns bowling into a chess match lol.
Wouldn't urethane continue to move oil past the break point and reactivate motion get better??
The oil in the middle of the lane is being consumed by people throwing reactive. Urethane is carrying oil down. So you have to move left to get the ball down the lane and then it won't get "up the hill" and hit well.
@@jasontom7278 are you a lefty?
@@JESUSCHRIST91126ad no sir. Some days I wish I were, but.....
Im the kind of guy who bowls urethane specifically to annoy people who dont know how to play against it. its fun to troll people sometimes ;D
I just love my Purple Pearl Hammer. 😊
Small pp move
Well your hurting the sport. People wont stay there, bowling is declining and then we got People like you😮
We have more and more No urethan tournaments in my area. People dont think its fun anymore. Its like the 2h army driving over the field with a semi truck.
I used to look up to the best. Not that impressed anymore.
@@barkanellichasingdreams4142 All you sound like is someone making excuses for a sport where the old timers cant figure out how to change with the times. There is no single reason anything is going wrong with bowling. its a multitude of things and specific bowling balls and ways to throw a ball are NOT one of them. especially considering MOST of the people against 2hand are against it because they think we should all bowl with 2 fingers and a thumb because thats "The way it was designed to be" yet the original way it was designed to be played was one finger meaning uh oh all thes one hand purists are not even bowling correctly as it was designed
We definitely need more MO and JR
i played a guy that is a 2 hander and threw urethane completely decimating my scores. he played in about 15-20. would my move should have been to play up 10?
Genuine question.
Why doesn't everybody just carry an extra urathane ball? You can carry 6 right?
thanks that was just what i was looking for.
Why not just pull out urethane ???
For some people urethane just works for their game......on any pattern.......
At this point you cannot ban anything.....one hand.....two hands.......wood......rubber.....polyester......urethane.....reactive.......particle.......????
If you are the best of the best.....a true professional.....you will figure out a way to score....to knock down enough wood to come out on top......
Thanks to Jr I've gone to the blitz and before that only like urethane if I could get it back from outside 5 people ask me to push oil down a few times but usually just practice
So I guess there was no scoring on the PBA tour in the 1980's and early 1990's when everyone was using urethane.
Oil patterns were closer to 22-24 feet in the 80s because balls didn't hook as much. Patterns have adapted to ball technology.
@@jasontom7278 To an extent... While "short oil" patterns in the 26-foot range were popular, long patterns were still very common. Manufacturers came out with higher durometer (harder) and pearl urethanes to combat short oil. There was still the never-ending race between manufacturers to develop the softest, most porous urethanes to combat long and heavy oil conditions. Obviously, the advent of reactive resins, and later particle reactives, changed the game forever. Yes, patterns then adapted to this new "hook in a box" equipment.
@@Kawboy65 Even the OG LT-48 was a 'heavy oil' ball at the time, and it sure was for me when I stumbled upon one. Dug in at my toes
@@coopergates9680 Yes, it certainly was. However, urethane made rubber obsolete.
@@Kawboy65 Both the LT-48 and yellow dot out hook some of the early urethanes, so it depends
From a 37ft pattern to badger
Interesting idea.... Not sure you have the same idea now but I have seen people throw sanded balls which destroy the lanes totally and also two handers make the lane shape harder as well... The question becomes should you make the game easier for you and my answer would be yes.....
To the end of your video, there is no rule to play a bowling ball. You can play whatever you want. All I hear is crying about “fairness”.
JR being that your a proshop guy you might want to answer to us all why not score with urethane on the ditch or turn to a different ball / in combination with hand release instead of pure ball reaction ....
THE INDUSTRY PUT ITSELF IN THIS POSITION .................
The issue goes deeper. The amount of oil on the lanes has tripled over the past couple of decades. Why? Because the oil is needed to "contain" reactive resin. It's not the fault of urethane balls that this is becoming unmanageable. The problem is that people pursue easy points using high-tech balls and less importance is given to quality shot making. No wonder that the sport is in steep decline. Why would an ordinary bowler need to own three or more expensive balls? Don't expect the ball manufacturers to solve this, they are the ones who benefit.
I appreciate the explanation, but I don't agree. It's a game of skills AND tactics. I think that the scores are already very very high. With new oilpatterns the USBC, or whoever is responsible for that, should create tough conditions to make it more interesting and difficult. Scores of 250 and higher are nuts and are only good for TV....
So during a sporting match, the defense (oil pattern) changes, and you're unable to adapt your offense (ball choice and how you throw it) so you cry about it?
I've gone to urethane and had to put it down they are situation ball's and you need to watch for it
It seems like a lot of bowlers find excuses instead of just changing to fit the needs of the lane they are bowling on.I guess it’s just easier to blame someone else’s bowling ball then your own lack of bowling better.
Why don't they have tournaments we're the whole field used urethane and others just reactive?
Magic trick? Its called changing variables such as release, hand postion, speed, loft, etc other than just changing balls.
Instead of running to urethanes just do short pin drills on weaker mid priced solids!
Here’s an idea nobody will like.
Level out the lane conditions such that all bowlers suffer equally. How? Use extremely long oil patterns. How about a 50 foot pattern. Call it the No hook pattern.
Urethane balls cause excessive carry-down? So what!! Now carry-down won’t affect the dry much at all because there is no dry.
But that will affect scores. Yes, I bet it will. The tournament winner may average 180. A 210 game would be awesome. Of course, bad spare shooters will complain that the conditions are designed to disadvantage them.
My idea is not new. There was the old Peterson Classic. The lanes had no dots, no arrows. They applied oil “with a mop.” Very difficult conditions. The tournament was not famous for high scores. It was known for the tough conditions.
Here’s another idea that everyone will hate.
Bowlers draw lots to determine which pair of lanes they will bowl on for a block. You stay on your pair. This eliminates having to bowl on a pattern destroyed by other bowlers who use those nasty urethane balls.
Between blocks, the lanes are made fresh. So when you return to bowl your next block, you have a fresh pattern.
This idea would present added work and expense for lane preparation. And there is probably a time factor. But it would make the lanes fresh and fair for all bowlers.
I bet bowling experts can solve the carry-down issue with better ideas than I have presented here if they work on it.
Lol People acting like my cute little purple ball destroying their precious oil when 2 handers with sanded balls aren't. Reactive balls also sucking up the oil like a sponge removing oil from the lane and also pushing oil around. Do they think that ball spinning high rpm going 15+ mph absorbs at that rate. Lmao People blame urethane saying it should be banned, cry harder. 🤣
RIP Dick Weber. If he was alive and in his prime today he would grab something dull, spin it straight up the 6 or 7 board and smack down 5-7s all day long. (He wouldn't be fazed if he left a 5-pin now and then.). Leave nothing but 4-pins and 10-pins (no crazy washouts or 2-8-10s), make all his spares and laugh his way to 225-240 every game.
Interesting 🧐 the second time around... everyone has a urethane ball in their bag or in a bag in the trunk of their car or truck... somewhere close... lol... league, tournament and professional should know to adjust accordingly... especially when we talk to each other... scouts lanes... before, during tournaments... with ball reps, coaches, friends and other bowlers... urethane will always be part of the game until USBC and the PBA say no mas... just my thoughts... 🤔💭🧐💭
Bowl straighter.
Just ban them or stop complaining. I am new at bowling and the pro shop sold me a purple hammer without mentioning people would cry about it.
Yea idc ima use whatever ball works for me
Another consequence of the hi-rev 2 handed no thumb style.
Boo who
Sorry but theres no reason for urathane on a house shot
This is such a whine fest lol.
Agreed. And JRs drawing is a pure fairy tale. All balls move oil down the lane to some extent. His sketch implies that urethane balls jump in the air when they exit the pattern, land at the break point, and deposit oil there. In the real world balls roll out of the pattern, leaving streaks of oil down the lane.
But it gives everyone a built in excuse.
I agree with everything and would like to add. It has a lot to do with flare (not only urethane). No or low faring balls create similar carry down.
Instead of banning urethane my suggestion is: one player, one lane for all the games in a block. Let those who like to play with urethane follow them selves and deal with the lane that they create.
What’s your view on that?
I think that's removing an entire part of competition for the sake of a ball that shouldn't be allowed anyway.
@@denmanfite3156 As someone who has bowled tournaments for 5 years and just recently got my first urethane ball, just get good. You cant ban a bowling ball just because you cant adjust based on the conditions.
@@okkumo1476 has nothing to do with adjustments or "git gud"
@@denmanfite3156 so do you believe for it to be fair that everyone should use the same ball. Make it consistent across the board. Then no one would have anything to complain about. And then you could make everyone throw the same way as well.
So throwing urethane gives everyone a built in excuse lol
He sounds Butt hurt.