Here's Why A LOT Of Pros Use Urethane As A Spare Ball
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- Do you use a dedicated spare ball or do you use urethane for spares! In this video we will be going over that very topic!
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I use the Storm Mix, urethane cover. Works great for spares and ultra dry.
I'm thinking the plastic would work better for you on splits....you are right on the money with the plastic shots.
I've been using a Storm Mix as a 2 hander with 16mph speed n higher rev rate. I've missed so many 10 pins by a board or 2 because of the tail end hook that I'm gonna buy a plastic ball to see if that helps my game.
High rev rate probs lol I wouldn’t know about that lol
Urethane. I have been using a pitch black for spares since 2012. I like it, more control, and versatility over a dedicated spare "plastic" ball. Looking at your throw, I would say the same, urethane gives you more versatility within your arsenal.
Hi Luis, how are you? I am will be playing my very first league with some friends starting at the end of August and for me I need to make more of my spares my other bowling balls my strike balls are good for center spares but not for the corners either I gutter because they have too much hook or don’t stop in time. They hook out to sea. So I need something a lot straighter. Did you say that they don’t make that plastic spare anymore so if I would go traditional spare, what would you suggest from Storm? Also if I am going to choose your thing urethane should I go pitch black or IQ 78 U? Like you said, I don’t wanna take up an extra ball in the bag. Thank you take care. Keep making great Bowling videos.
I use a Black Widow Viz A Ball, plastic with an asymmetrical core. Helps playing straight when needed, but has the core needed to play when dry lanes or high friction exists.
Looking forward to this one. I switched from plastic to urethane for my spare ball earlier this year (2023)
I use an AMF magic circle rubber ball that is about 55 years old for my spare ball. It was my first bowling ball when I was a kid. It will hook a bit on very dry conditions but I am very used to it.
Merry Christmas Luis. I enjoy all of your videos.
For tournaments I've been using a White Mix for spares. For league I've been using a resin ball (usually my strike ball). I feel for league I can throw straight enough for spares. Plus I feel using resin for spares can help with my spare accuracy hitting my target. For tournaments the shot can be tricky & before I have tried resin or Urethane for spares but struggled at times with them. So spare ball for tournaments it is.
Remember kids, it’s only a spare ball if you make spares with it.
Question are you releasing your spare ball keeping your hand flat at release or are you using your normal release ?
I gave myself two months to get used to throwing a Purple Hammer at spares after using a plastic ball for years for all the reasons listed in the video. I just could not get used to it. The differences were small, but they were enough to where I would have to adjust my targeting a couple boards right, but then one out of every dozen or so would skid through to the gutter and I just realized that having to leave a ball in the car for tournaments is a small price to pay for peace of mind when shooting at corner pins
I think the one you made with plastic at 9:35 would have missed had you done the exact same shot with urethane. You missed left, but it didn’t hook.
I use plastic
I use a dedicated spare ball and it in no way prevents me from having other balls in my arsenal. Most tournament bowlers roll in with multiple bags and have a good idea of what balls are going to work for them on a given pattern or condition.
The pro's are many. Regardless of pattern or house I may be bowling in, I know that my spare ball is going to do the same thing on ALL of them. It is going to go straight.
People need to do what works for them rather than what some pro's do because they do not all use eurathane balls for spare balls.
In a nutshell, do what works for you, not what you saw some pro doing just for the sake of saying that you saw a pro doing it.
I use a black hammer solid urethane for my spares.
I do feel like the 78U won in this video. It picked off more sole 10 pins than the plastic did and the gutter was user error.
Columbia, bring back Blue Dot.
i would say do this same challenge on lanes that are broken down meaning several games have been played, i tend to stuggle when lanes are dried out on the side. I throw a plastic ball i have improved on making my 10 pins but i think seeing how the urethane does on drier lanes could give you a more real picture. i tend to leave more 10 pins when the lanes dry out.
oh yea that makes sense!
Make it with different colors too.
I use the storm ice plastic ball. Really does help me pick spares. Hated it at first but after go t use to it very comfortable
I might get the new ICE
Should I have my spare ball drilled with the same layout as my reactive ball?
Pitch Black for spare ball, all the way. No probs
Let it shine up and it works awesome for spares and later in blocks for strike ball.
Sometimes the spare calls for a small hook which the PB can do easy. I know you don’t love the PB, but it loves you!
Lets gooo! haha thanks!
I personally use a Pitch Black for my right side spares, The benefit for me is if I kinda over throw for a 10 pin , the Urethane has enough teeth to keep the ball on the lane. With the 3,6,10 having the benefit to slightly hook it is more reassuring for me to know I’ll cover the spare.
yea I see lots of people LOVE it
I've tried a couple of times, over the years, to use a spare ball but just couldn't make it work. Urethane worked for while but, eventually, just switched to reactive at all spares. That being said, a spare ball will be in the trunk of the car for long blocks where the lanes really get burned and I may need to fall back to the spare ball.
I ´m a classical stroker and use Storm Tropical Surge for spare.
Team spare ball. The high friction I bowl on and my rev rate I feel better about a spare ball. I do still flatten my hand for the corner so maybe wouldn’t be totally necessary since when I’ve done that with reactive it does go straight.
I use a pin down vapor zone that hooks very little for my spare ball. I can use it for everything if need as well.
I use Storm Mix. Best of both worlds. Or worst!😂
I use a mix
That’s a good one!
Cool video talk tech bowling bowling ball urathane bowling ball as spare ball I use my plastic bowling ball as a spare ball too and strike bowling ball too my radical the spy plastic 14 pound bowling ball
Thanks!
I like the dedicated spare ball. For corners it doesn't matter as much when you can flatten and keep it in the oil, but if you throw it at other spare attempts (especially certain splits) the difference in coverstock matters.
I should probably get a spare ball, but I'm not even sure which brand or ball is best. I like the covers of some of the 900 Global White Dots, Pyramid Paths, and Brunswick T-Zones. The Hammer Axe Purple looks nice, too. Or even the Honey Badger. So, which is best (especially for a lefty)? Honestly, I always use whatever ball I was just throwing. For example, I throw my Rhino black, gold, and red (not so good with it, though), my Brunswick OG Infinity, and my Brunswick Perfect Mindset. The Infinity is the most fun to use/watch followed by the Perfect Mindset. Going to try my Track Theorem when I get it next week.
Any that’s plastic with no core.
I like the white dots and ice
I NEVER use a spare ball .... ala Norm Duke. I just flatten out my shot. Doesn't matter what ball I'm using .... I can use my SUPER NOVA, flatten out the shot ... and make the ten pin easily .... it works for me, though I realize it's a personal preference ....
Not jealous at all 😭😭
Enjoyed the vlog! Glad to see that you have gotten the 10 pin skill set in your game. After 27 years out of bowling, I am still struggling with 10 pins (60% makes). I am using a T-Zone plastic. My problem is just staying behind the ball with a straight arm swing and a positive attitude. It is the only spare that I still have negative thoughts enter my brain during the approach. It is similar to having the yips in baseball.
Best tip I can give you is get to a spot on the lane that youre comfortable and just repeat repeat
I use the Storm Mix for spares
It is a dilemma when you take up a spot in the bag when traveling to a tournament especially by air but making spares is important in scoring
Thanks Luis
Spares are HUGE!
I'm gonna say you've mastered the Plastic. I did the same, but the whole ball and chain thing started to ring true in the league I'm in. There's a TON of plastic down the lane, so I'm bringing a lot of different pieces to try and find a solution, no cigar yet. Long story short i practiced throwing straight with my reactive, i can even throw my big pieces straight now. I also throw straight at everything now, hooking is not allowed for me. My average has taken a hit but when my average jumps I'll be better for it.
thanks!
plastic on the right side
I usually take away the axis rotation. If I’m using an aggressive solid, I will switch to urethane for the spares.
I wish I could!
I use crown jewel.
Best spare ball, straight as an arrow regardless of release. (As long as you arent throwing slow)
I bowl on the old wood at milwaukie bowl home of pba hall of famer Dave husted and my league is 2 hours after the league before and what we get is left over from the league before and we don't know what we are coming into week to week and some weeks we have no one bowl on our set so we have fresh oil but 99.9 percent of the time is burn and 2 seasons ago I got a Geico viz-a-ball same you would see on TV from 2007-2008 season and I decided to sand it to 500 grit on a whim and I fell in love with it sanded . And for the rest of the season before last and all last season I threw it. And I made money and immpressed ej tackett and Marshal Kent with it in the jackpot classic at the Orleans last year and they said they haven't seen any one hook a plastic ball like I can and this year I am taking it to the jackpot classic again and Kyle troup and ej tackett and Marshal Kent are going to be there and I am going to have them sign it and come back and have dave husted sign it and put it on display and have her in permanent retirement. I prefer plastic even sanded plastic because I have more trust with plastic then with urethane. ( On a side note I am looking into getting my hands on a pitch black for a new urethane ball would a 4×4×2 layout work because it is a strong high flaring layout . I don't know my pap but I am a speed dominant lefty up the boards more speed then revs.
I'm posting a video this week about how to measure your pap!
Hard to say. I think it's all preference, where you play, and how you play to be honest. I like just using my regular reactive balls for my spares because it helps me feel like I'm staying more versatile and in control of my hand positions.
At the end of the day its all about repeating
Third ball was a miss!
Don't use urethane or plastic.
I was using a Storm Mix. Technically urethane but acts like plastic for me.
It’s a polythane. The urethane in there it’s just to prevent cracking
Practice is the key to success with either. Most do not bowl on the volume the pros do and will likely have to throw the urethane harder to keep online for many spares which creates accuracy issues vs plastic which allows bowlers to stay more relaxed and roll the ball at their spares. Ask Norm or any pro how many bowling balls they are taking to tournaments. One more for spares is going to be one too many??? Same for league bowlers who have no issue taking 6+ to leagues. If you take 6 to league and one is plastic, at least one ball in your bag is guaranteed to help your game when you can't figure out why you cant "carry" with the other five.
A G R E E D
I think you should stick with your dedicated spare bal unless you’re having issues with having to limit how many balls you carry with you to a tournament it just seems like you have so much more confidence with your dedicated ball for spares , as opposed to urethane although you did fine with it, your body language looks like you know that the spare ball is gonna be dead on, and you just don’t miss with it👍
yea I am staying with my spare ball for sure LOL
I use a plastic ball because I haven't perfected not hooking the ball so it keeps me from missing 7-pins (lefty)
hey thats what its all about!
I use my reactive balls and straighten out my hand. I can’t actually get the ball to roll perfectly end over end. Practiced it for years. My spare misses are never from the ball hooking
thats amazing! I wish I could
You should have also reversed the pattern and shown the difference throwing both balls from the right side to the pocket in order to really gauge the difference in hook.
next time!
I recently picked up a plastic ball after a year of flattening my wrist with whatever my strike ball was. Issues with clearing my thumb made it too inconsistent to deal with so a friend hooked me up with a used T-Zone. It's been interesting (and fun) learning to throw it.
yea not easy to learn!
Spare Ball
I use my Pitch Black at my normal house, purple hammer everywhere else.
nice!
I think number eight would have missed. Three pin was gone
100% would have made it
stick with the plastic ball unless you are aware of the lane conditions in advance.
agreed!
I use a Radical Astro nuts plastic spare ball. I really only use it for the 7 pin though as a lefty. I do not own a urethane ball and do not see a use for one.
then yea stay with plastic!
He gets a little tail with urethane. The only difference I can see.
yea just a hair but thats enough for me to use my spare ball lol
When it comes right down to it, I don't care what a pro uses for a spare ball. They could punch holes in a pumpkin and throw it accurately.
After a 20 year hiatus, I'm changing from 16# to 15# equipment. Building an arsenal from scratch is costly. So I'm keeping it down to 4 balls. In this situation, I'm considering the Hammer Axe Resin for spares, and can use it for burnt up lane conditions.
Why do you use spare balls you don't like used the same ball for spares?
cause I can make them better with a spare ball
I use my strike ball and just flatten out my hand
Nice!
How strong do you have your urethane ball layed out?
30x3 3/8x30
I've used reactive, urethane, and plastic, for my spare ball I just flatten my hand out and throw it hard. Currently using urethane though.
I use a plastic Columbia 300 White Dot for right side spares (especially the ten pin), have for many, many years LOL. Take the hook out of the equation. However, I hook at left side spares (I'm a righty) and have been starting to use the Hammer NU Blue for some spares, right and left. Just experimenting for now.
the house I bowl in...old blue hammer hard to control..I use ripley or ace..two gard rubber balls and at time use a white dot..and last time I did,shot 256 with white dot ...I would love to bowl where you do if they really oil lanes that way daily..unless you just can not shoot unless reactive is used since it hooks by itself..I shoot around 7..down and in as a lefty and plastic or hard rubber works best for me.
Just added a plastic ball for 10 pins. First time trying it....a work in progress. (I've a history or leaving 'only' 10 pins about 50% or the time).
Is it working out? I have lost tons of potential 200 games practicing for league coming up because my 6 9 and 10 pin leaves.
Very positive results so far! It's taking some time getting to it...but I like it. I've taking up bowling again after a 50 year absence...and my body isn't working as good it used, but I continue try.
@jimlake22 awesome glad you are back at it. The technology is amazing with today's equipment. Have fun.
I have a dedicated spare ball, but I don't use it. I understand having that plastic because it doesn't hook and understand not wanting to take up a spot in the bag with it. If i were in a tourney situation I would much rather bring my Pitch Black in the bag but for league I just throw my strike ball and I pick up spares at a really good clip.
Purple hammer pearl , glossed up for spares
nice
Pretty much everyone two handed Uses a plastic ball Almost everyone two handed or one hand on television this year Use a plastic ball And the people that use not plastic Take their hand out of it Plus If you don't have a decent amount of ball speed You're Not plastic will hook away every time
I stopped using a plastic ball for spares because I have found it hooking past the 7 pin. I'm a lefty, 11mph on screen. I switched to the White Mix and put some surface on it. I have used the Mix as a strike ball on rare occasions.
I usually have a spare ball cause I’m a two-handed bowler, but it chipped out so I’ve switched to urethane until I get a new spare ball
get one asap!
@LuisNapoles I intended on it I just don't have money for one
Spare ball would be my choice
me to!
I bought IQ 78 on the 15th. Using it on spares ever since. I've missed 2 10pin out of 9 games. I love this ball.
I use a polished up IQ Tour Ruby
That’s a good one!
My spare ball hooks as much as my blue hammer so I stopped using a plastic ball.
I use plastic and it hooks too.
More polish!
I am what you call a not so good bowler, but I use urethane for spares.
I don't have a urethan ball but I do have an ICE spare ball.
I am good at bowling
yea you are!
Thank you for making this amazing video
@johnyarbrough9280 Thank you for your amazing comment on this video friend. Do you know Scotty Thompson friend ? Maybe you should introduce yourself friend.
Glad you liked it!
Growing up, I didn’t have a spare ball. My junior bowling coach stressed the importance of picking up my spares. My average increased by 30 pins from 1 season to the next, just by picking up my spares. I don’t see coaches in my area, stress spares nowadays. Kinda sad.
Spares is HUGE
I use a plastic strike ball. I have high revs (400+) with low speed 12 mph (due to age and injuries).
I actually have an arsenal of 4 different plastic balls in my bag.
oh nice!
Nope, just do it like DUKE.
When I bowled 1 handed, I could use any ball for spares ala Norm Duke. Now that I'm 2 handed (and lefty), I absolutely need a plastic ball for the left corner spares.
yea high rev rate played should def use a spare ball
I have a Pitch Black that I was using for 10 pins. Occasionally, it would find a bit of friction just enough to miss to the left. I have since purchased a plastic Storm Ice for 10 pins, and I'm much happier with that. Unless I really blow the shot, the ice is dead on. I prefer the plastic due to being more consistent and predictable.
Nice! Yea I’m team spare ball
For league i use a dedicated spare ball, but have been recently using my urethane ball during league for a different look. Havent tried it for spares yet. Its layed out with a 3 3/8 pin..
Hopefully that works for you
Luis great Vid! I think the ULTIMATE test to your theory is to simply dedicate a league night to only throwing the 78U as your spare ball. Throwing only at a 7-pin or 10-pin I dont think is the best test on where an advantage may be with Plastic VS Urethane. Whats the results when you use the 78U for shooting the 4-7, or the 6-10. What even happens when you shoot the 2-4-7, OR the
3-6-10. HOW does your mental strategy game plan adjust when you now rely on a ball that has more teeth in it, compared to a plastic. Do you have an increased tendency to "straighten out" all of your spares. Lets watch you bowl 1-game on a house shot, and your only spare ball is urethane. Then you bowl 1-game on a sport shot, and your only spare ball is urethane. Now THATS the type of results that I would love to watch!!! I'm currently in transition from plastic to urethane spare ball right now. And im experiencing the "Mental" dependency conflict. Plastic spare ball I've got 35yrs experience. Getting over that hurdle is bigger then actually throwing urethane.
Maybe I’ll bring it next week!
Luis, based on the video you can use either ball for spares. The one bad shot with the urethane ball obviously would have missed with the plastic ball. 19 out of 20 isn't too bad.
Not to bad indeed!
I have a Storm Ice for those right lane spares, but when it comes to a spare in the middle or the left, I just hook at it with my Crypto. I have a Purple Hammer, but I rarely find any use from it anymore. I find using Urethane for spares to be a risky maneuver, since you have to get it outside for it to hook... If you accidentally throw inside and keep it in that oil it's gonna miss.
yea same!
Storm mix for spares
Smart!
I think a better comparison would be shootin the 7 pin?
I use a Tropical with a very short Pin. That ball doesn't flare much anyway, and if you put the Pin close to the axis, it really goes straight. And you can still use it as a strike ball for those scorched conditions where urethane will burn out too early.
👍👍👍
i use a pitch black
Nice!
When I first started bowling I used a rubber ball and we only used one ball for everything. Even when I moved to urethane, again same ball used for everything.
Once resin came out, I was not able to use it for spares on the right since it would hook away, so I would use a urethane ball for spares.
Once I started bowling in sport leagues it quickly became apparent that a plastic ball that goes perfectly straight was vital for all spares.
Sport patterns are treacherous and using a ball that can hook away from what you are shooting at is a guarantee of missed spares.
I have slower speed as a senior and cannot throw the ball 30 mph at my spares like these pros, so plastic is vital.
In order to keep my Sport game tuned up I also use the same plastic ball for all spares on house shots too.
I would stick with plastic Lou.
yea I def am!
Quick question, do you use your same hand position and stroke when throwing your plastic ball at spares ?
yup! Exact same release with a spare ball
I use urethane for spares and I've never used a plastic for spares. My first ball was the blue hammer in the 90s. I kept it as my spare ball for years until I got another one. I got the purple when I got back into bowling after a decade off. It's just how I always came up. I use my urethane for spares and I flatten my hand for 10 pins and I can put a little hook in it for 3 6 10s or splits. I'm the most comfortable with a urethane ball in my hand.
All that matters is being comfortable!
I use the roto grip spare tire for a spare ball and I recommendI a dedicated ball for spares. It just takes the guess work out!!! Never change what works.
I wish I had one of those!
i think for 1 handers its better to use urethane cause its easier to create less hook with a thumb
im a 2 hander who is on a low budget, and i use pitch black to spare, i use a forward roll to spare and minimise urethaen hook, but ive come to realise that for 2 handers its prob best to use spare ball because you can use your natural normal release which is more consistent, cause there have been times ive just missed completely due to a forward roll not being comfy on 2 handed form
yea I agree that two handers and high rev rate players should def use plastic
I use a urethane because it doesn't take up a slot in my ball bag for a one dimensional ball. I can use the urethane on dry lanes, outside shots and keep it straighter for all my spare shots. But definitely think it's a preference and you need to go with what you are comfortable throwing.
smart!
Ive never had a spare ball, always thrown my performance ball harder and straight, but when I got a purple hammer a few years ago, started using it for spares. Much better with it. Never miss a 7 pin( lefty) anymore. And i bring it to tournaments and league anyway, as a first shot option on shorter harder patterns.
I wish I could do it consistently
Great video. I'm Urethane, Fast Pitch. A) Gives me an extra ball in the bag B) the feel on the hand feels more natural than a plastic hollow ball w no core.
Thats the thinking!
I just went to using a dedicated spare ball last month for the first time. I was having difficulty with my normal ball being consistent on both sides. The spare ball has helped a ton. Actually, one night I hurt my hand and ended up using the plastic ball for the third game and shot 204 with it. I haven’t yet started competing in tournaments so not sure if urethane is something I need for house shots during weekly league, but something I’ve been thinking about. Thanks again Luis for covering topics that so many of us are thinking about. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! ill def stay in my dedicated spare ball
Off-topic, but i was just watching your idol cosmos video from over a hear ago and you've really cleaned up your balance and since then. Good stuff man
Wow, thank you! I really appreciate that!
I was using urethane for spares but as a 2 hander it picks up early sometimes. So now I use a White Belmo spare ball
Lets go!