How long does it take to get the new long block for the 2.0. Once its ordered from the Ford Factory. It's been 3.5 weeks since the Service manager told me he ordered my long block for my 2017 Escape Titanium AWD 2.0 For water intrusion in my engine. In the 2nd and 3rd cylinders. Then he said 1.5 months before the new long block replacement starts. Just want to know if I am on target for the time schedule. The Service Manager is very vague on info. Everytime I ask a question. Is this normal? Thanks, For your Awesome info. Ford Boss me. Shawn.
@@FordBossMe Thank you. Ford Boss me. It seems my Service Department is right on target. There are about 6 customers ahead of me. On the installation of the new long block. Not sure how long it takes to remove the engine and replace it? Need a time line. The dealershio seems over whelmed. Shawn.
My fusion with the 2.0 took 2 weeks from dropping off the car and picking it back up, it got the long block. But it’s been 2 weeks and I just had to have it towed because it was throwing p0303 again and running worse than ever. After the new long block, fml.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain what is going on, how to diagnose, why it happens, and what the solution is. Videos are much appreciated!
Thank you very much for walking us through the through process of diagnosing coolant intrusion into Ecoboost engines. You are a born teacher and a pleasure to learn from .
Yup! I sold cars for a Ford dealership for 12 years and seen way to many people have to pay out of pocket for a new engine. Anytime I sold a new or used Ford especially these ecoboosts I suggest they purchase the longest Ford extended warranty possible. Already had the engine replaced in my 2016 Fusion 2.0 a couple years ago. And it’s back at the dealership again and it’s losing coolant and I can’t find a leak. Glad I have 5k miles left on my warranty.
@@cameronclark3927 A lot better since I stopped selling cars late 2020. I drive one of those “shit boxes”. I bought what I sold the whole time I was selling them. You’d be surprised how many people bought vehicles with these engines even knowing about the problem. A lot of people that bought them without buying an extended warranty at my dealership were the first owners before we knew there was a problem. The Ford company knows about these problems way sooner than a dealership especially one as small as the one I worked at. It’s Fords screw up and I hope they pay for it. When my first engine had the problem they said they sent us the new design to replace it with. Turns out they lied. They probably thought I would run out of warranty before this one had the problem or before I would notice. But I have 5000 miles left on it. So now I’m getting another engine. Besides that one big problem my cars been fine. I know mechanics and salespeople in my city that sell just about every car brand except the really high end stuff. We don’t have any lambo type dealerships in my city. No vehicle manufacturers make a vehicle without problems these days. Would be nice if they would actually design and build one to last. The next vehicle I buy is going to be an older one I can work on and buy just about any part for at a common parts store.
Why should it be a recall? It’s not a safety issue people are not getting killed. That’s a recall people think just because they’re having a problem. They should just recall it. No they’re out to make money. They want you to pay first they don’t want half they don’t wanna pay they don’t wanna dig in their pocket. They want you to dig in your pocket you to pay for it not them.
👍🏻 thanks for sharing your work. I love how you still verify the problem, regardless of how common the problem is. Watching your vids makes me miss working in the automotive field
Exactly what my wife's 2019 Edge is doing. Coolant tank drains everytime you shut off the motor with no drip marks on the driveway. White smoke with a strange smell. Thank God it's under warranty and I will know the terminology to discuss with the service manager. Thank you so much ❤️
Great video and even better commentary. Thanks for putiting this together. Can't wait to see Part 2. This already happened to my 2016 Edge; still under warranty, and it cost FMC north of $8K for the long block replacement, not counting the six weeks of driving a loaner on Ford's dollar which after two weeks was exchanged for a new 2020 Ford Edge from the lot so they didn't have to keep paying the renntal car company for a vehicle. Eventually I got my 2016 Edge back and she is as tight and clean as ever. Love the Edge.
@@burntends9581 That was the only breakdown, and it was covered by Ford and still has not caused me any issues since. Other than scheduled maintenance and a couple of recalls for a brake line, air bag, and shifter bushing, it has not been in the shop for any other kind of work. That's 7-8 years of reliable service and I'll take that any day of the week.
Because of your video I caught our 2019 fusion 2.0 ecoboost losing coolant without a leak! Took it to the dealer and they confirmed coolant intrusion. Fortunately the warranty had 2,000 miles left, so It was covered just in time! Keep up the amazing videos!
Thanks for the great video. I just got my 2017 MKC back from an oil change and the dealer noticed the coolant was low. I'll be bringing it back next week for the pressure test to determine if it needs a new long block, but the technician is pretty sure it will. It's still under factory warranty, so I hope this all goes smoothly.
I had this same model escape, 2017 2.0 SE. Ran trouble free from new to 70k. Not one problem. Changed all the fluids multiple times, ptu, diffs, trans. Glad I sold it before anything went wrong. Only thing I changed other than fluids were rear shocks. 🤙
You have NO CLUE how important this video is! We have a '17 Edge Tatanium and the check engine light has been on for 2 yrs now. I put coolant in, but its always damn near empty the next day
Had exact same problem on a 2017 Edge 2.0 that was just 8000 miles out of warranty. Ford said too bad so sad, a new engine cost me $6000. It is criminal that they know it’s a problem and issued a TSB on exactly how to fix it. The service manager at my Ford dealer told me exactly what it was based on the symptoms and told me about the class action lawsuits. Ford brushed me off and said, “keep your receipt, if we do a recall you will get reimbursed”. Not likely. Made a NTSB complaint
This is exactly what my 2017 Escape 2.0 is doing. Cold start misfire, lasts about 5 seconds, MIL light is on. . I have an appt with my Ford dealer to look at it in 2 days. I have taken videos of it misfiring and blowing white smoke , (with an strong antifreeze smell) on cold starts only, because it doesn’t do it every time. Also, I have had to fill up the almost empty coolant reservoir twice in the last 2 weeks. Lucky for me I still have about 2months left on my 5year PT warranty. I have about 47,700 miles on it. I’m sure I will get the call from my dealer that this engine needs to be replaced for coolant intrusion into a cylinder. Scary how close to the end of my warranty this has occurred. Thank you for the very informative video.
@@FordBossMe yeah it’s getting a long block, under warranty. Service manager figures it will take 2 to 4 weeks to get in the replacement engine. Thanks again for your videos, much appreciated.
You're one of the lucky few. I just bought a '17 with the 2.0 with 130k miles on it. Drove it 4 hours back to my house. Literally the next day it threw the 0304 code. Looked at coolant.. it was low. Rough start in the morning. Was just told today it's going to cost me 6K.
@@JoeSee I’m late to the party but I bought a used 2018 Ford Edge 2.0 eco boost. Pushing 100k miles. Coolant is low. Has been giving me cylinder 2 misfire code. I have had it a little over a year and no extended warranty. Still owe 15k. It’s nice, titanium, has leather seats, nice display and great sound system. As if that matters now. It is still running ok. I guess I better try to trade up for new before it bottoms out
Thank you for the video. I have an update with my daughter's 2017 1.5 Escape. Finally the check engine light went on and I checked and found the code P0302. Also, the coolant reservoir was a lot lower that before. We took it to the dealer again and this time it didn't pass the pressure test, they will replace the block. Thank you again for your advice on this issue. My wife's car is a 2018 2.0L Escape Titanium with 34K miles. I will keep monitoring that one too. Very interested to see you replacing the long block on the one in the video. Now I have the a better understanding of what's going on. It was awesome to see the droplets getting into the cylinder.
The exact same thing happened to my wife’s edge. Same year, same engine. Long block replacement took about three weeks. We just got the oil changed after the 1000 mile break in. Started with a check engine light and a misfire code.
@@JohnSmith-eh1sb no not new, we bought it a few months ago. Fortunately it was under the dealership sales warranty of 3 month 3000 mile. Had it one day before the check engine light came on. Dealership was not happy…lol
I had a 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0T AWD that had the same fate. It was put back together bad, crank sensor wasn’t on right, charge pipe off and one of the pipes had some random Home Depot bolt instead of the Ford one. I sold it not too long after I got it back. Still love our 2017 Explorer Sport, though! Note: my engine had the coolant/head gasket failure at only 22,000KM
Greetings from Brazil. I've been following some videos about this serious problem in these engines and I think that if some skillful and creative mechanic develops some not very expensive way to recover these blocks effectively with some kind of soldering, etc., they could make a lot of money because there are so many blocks with the same defect.
Rich great video and presentation from you and as usual great transparency with your presentation, wish we had you working on my ford edge 2019 st line 2.0 eco boost diesel)))) 😀 🇬🇧
So we are running into that exact same problem. But in our case we bought the 2017 Edge used and within 48 hours it popped the P0316. Dealer replaced the plugs when they took it in on trade, obviously because of a misfire as dealers DO NOT just throw money at trade ins without justification. With the sales group giving us the run around and attempting to make a claim on the extended warranty, I finally let them in on the fact that I retired from Ford as a factory tech. Now they replacing the long block after the warranty company spoke with me and denied the claim for being pre-existing the purchase. Still don’t trust them but we will see. It’s sad I had to contact some people I knew at Ford in Detroit to get them to do the right thing. Excellent video by the way.
Here is what you could have done, if they still wouldn't have budged Agree to let the warranty pick it up and the dealer pay the deductible Keep that in your back pocket
My 2015 Fusion (1.5L Ecoboost) is barely 5K miles out of warranty & this happens. Could you call up your Detroit friends & get them to recall these engines (like they should have years ago)? I hope the class-action lawsuit tears them a new one. (Can you tell I'm upset?) 😬😡🤐
Great video, I have a 2019 Ford Edge Titanium, I'm losing coolant in the reservoir, I believe I have the same problem with only 36,000 miles unbelievable..calling the dealership tomorrow in regards to the TSB. Thx You
My 2015 Fusion (1.5L Ecoboost) is barely 5K miles out of warranty & this happens. I hope the class-action lawsuit tears them a new one. (Can you tell I'm upset?) 😬😡🤐
Should make a new 4.0L VR8 with dual injectors and a small roots supercharger. That would make tons of power and be good with low boost as long as there is a closed deck and nothing too complicated around it. Could also just toss a turbo on it but really you could make a nice design with a single cylinder head mounted on an angle to fit it under the hood. That or cut the new 7.3L in half and stick that in everything as a nice V4.
Super Great Information, my son has the following codes with his 2017 Focus ST 2.0. With 32,764 miles. I was able to pull the following 4 codes from DTC. 3 codes are showing on your factory lab top computer that was in this awesome video. Took vehicle to Ford dealership due to it being under warranty. My son end up installing a program that VOIDED Warranty. My son being 21 years old. He doesn’t know. ( he’s going to learn the hard way) I ask dealership to proceed at my sons cost. But they did not want to deal with vehicle and still charged my son $140 to void warranty. I found a brand new factory long block for $3500 dollars. Which is not bad. My son works and has excellent credit. With car being paid. He can afford it. But I’m old school and just have a few questions prior to proceeding. 1. PO217 -engine coolant over temperature condition 2. P0316 -misfire detected on startup (first 1000 revolutions) 3. P1026- (ECT)1/ (CHT) 2 correlation 4. P1285- cylinder head over temperature condition 5. Engine coolant was Low 6. White smoke exiting exhaust 7. Attempted coolant system pressure test didn’t exceed 21 psi. System wouldn’t build pressure due to large leak. I hope you can help or gave me advice on the following questions. 1. Why are you recommending that the long block be changed out. I understand that it would be best, is this a Ford dealership standard? But there might be some people who can’t afford this. 2. I’m looking to have head pressured tested and resurfaced if head holds test. 3. If head holds. Will replacing head gasket be efficient?
It's because of the poor Machining that they did between the cylinder walls they put these big long coolant passages in the old style motor and they found the best way to actually fix everything is by putting an updated cylinder head and block in the vehicle because the old design will just leak again
If you are out of warranty with this type of problem I recommend a liquid product called K Seal. It is not the same as a mechanical repair but the cost is minimal and I've had it work successfully on three Ford vehicles. If you're out of warranty and in this spot you don't have much to lose by trying. Thanks for making these videos and sharing your skills.
@@REazyThaRula One vehicle is still going strong at about 2 years after the liquid repair. Since I posted, one of the vehicles only lasted a couple of months before the problem returned. The third was years ago and lasted until the transmission went out. Two out of three isn't perfect but for the minimal cost I would do it again.
@@REazyThaRula If you are not under warranty you don't have much to lose by trying it in my opinion. Like I said, we have one that lasted a few months and another is still going strong after two years. The two year car was diagnosed by the dealer with the same problem as yours. They basically told the owner to replace the engine. I told them my experience with K-Seal and they tried it and it worked. For $14-15 you're not out much. If you are under warranty I would think differently. i can tell you from experience that even with a warranty it's not easy. I personally have a Fusion in since the end of May for short block warranty replacement...3.5 months and still waiting. Good luck to you and you have my sympathy as a fellow Fusion sufferer. I was a Ford loyalist my entire life but this experience has broken me. I've owned eleven Fords but no more from here on.
I got an used Edge 2016 around 6 months ago from a very reputable dealership in Burlington ON. The very next day vehicle started showing a check engine light, back to dealership they cleaned the spark plugs and light was gone. Next day the engine light again came on, I came to know about this known issue of coolant leaking into the cylinder. Went back to dealership and left my vehicle there and told them I either need a it fixed once for all or I have to take it concerning authorities as the vehicle was certified. They were kind enough to put a brand new engine and gave me replacement car meanwhile. After the new engine the vehicle is running great, haven’t got any issues.
Greetings and Thanks a lot for this video from ukrainian Edge club. We have a lot of 2.0 Ecoboost here and facing coolant problem here as well. Waiting for new video about solving the problem!
@@FordBossMe we are thinking together (more than 1000 of Edge owners) why is this happening to engines. And the main reason, we guess, is overheating of block. Did you look for a reason of this problem? As we know all 2.0 ecoboost and 2.3 ecoboost from Mustang are affected.
I have a shop in Los Angeles and a new customer came in with a 2017 Escape 2.0 eco boost yesterday with a P0301 P0300.. pulled the plugs and sure enough cyl 3 indicated coolant exposure. Opened up the radiator cap and sure enough got the soda bottle pressure release. Told him at 66k miles he’s going to need a long block and I e-mailed him a TH-cam video of this common issue (considering he’s a first-time customer with exceptionally low mileage and I’m trying to sell him an engine - not quite the best first impression). He was shocked and honestly just beside himself about it. I told him this is why I keep all my old cars, 2 of which are well past 300k miles with really nothing much needed and seldom repairs. I feel like newer cars are so disposable these days.
He’s going to fix it when he sees how high the market is. He bought it after his lease ended for $8k, so I doubt he’s going to find anything that new or low in mileage anywhere near the cost of replacing an engine. I know he has the means to do it, he’s just going to have to process it. We topped off the coolant and swapped out his plugs which temporarily resolved it, but I warned him it’ll likely come back on especially under load - at which point he’s just going to have to bite the bullet and do it.
hopefully i caught it really early on my moms 2018 its losing coolant but no white smoke and no visual leaks when you showed the hose lines i ran outside and checked all of them the water pump and behind the engine taking it to a shop tomorrow after it hit 2022 everything on it just keeps falling apart so fingers cross its not to bad thank you man
@@FordBossMe update: it was the head gasket but the mechanic doesnt know it has a cracked block also so it has now turned in to a money pit worth fixing i dont know but still glad i got learn what to look for in the future ill give my thanks to you for that i really do
If you buy a vehicle from formerly domestic brands sometimes assembling cars in the US, you deserve it all, wasted time, money and stress also thanks for providing plenty of material for quality entertainment trough channels like this one
I mean everybody has a right to say the things that they say but people that say the things that you did hear the way you did I can't even have a conversation with the cuz they just think they got everything figured out
My channel is for help and to ease the stress of people always having to go get expensive repairs done because maybe they could do it their self not for your f****** entertainment so you can laugh at it
I have a 2015 Escape with the 2.0 Ecoboost with a little less than 18,000 miles. Started misfiring a couple of months back. Autozone showed a P0304 so I had a mechanic replace the coil in cylinder 4. He noticed liquid (coolant/ water) between the coil and spark plug. There was enough that it had pooled on top of the plug. He said that certainly should not be happening and that I should take it to a dealer. I got an appointment with my local dealer but another coil went bad in the week it took for the appointment. Towed it to the dealership and they diagnosed it with coolant intrusion. Ford told me to get lost when I called them to ask if they could assist. The dealership wanted just over $15,000 for the long block replacement. I called another local dealership and they could do it for about $4K less than the other dealership. I took the car to them and their mechanic said he did not think it was coolant intrusion since the coolant was not entering the actual cylinder. I haven't lost any significant coolant from the reservoir. I think I added a cup or two of coolant to get it back to between min and max level. He threw another "redesigned" coil and a new plug in it and it has been completely fine for 250 miles or so. Have you seen the coolant intrusion where the coolant sits between the coil and plug?
@@FordBossMe Cool. Thanks for the info. Hopefully, the "redesigned" coil was all it needed. The tech and service manager said they thought it was environmental moisture getting in and the new coil should stop that from happening. There is a ton of moisture in the air in SWFL during the rainy season so it makes some sense but I am not a mechanic. Thanks again!
I’ve usually been seeing the coolant over temp codes and a misfire code for this TSB, and yes, you will find when you pull the motor, the old block will have slits between the cylinders and this is usually where the coolant is leaking through into the cylinders. The new block will barely have a nick between the cylinders. Such a shame because I’ve seen a couple escapes come in that are about a year out of warranty and having to tell the customer they need to buy a whole new motor really sucks.
@@BigEightiesNewWave the engineer that designed the block made the slits to try and get more cooling to the block, the mass produced his design before finding the flaw. So yes, Ford fucked up there.
Nice video. Always good to know that there are still good techs out there. Your work area though. 😳 It's so tight in that shop. I would feel so clostrophobic having everything so right on top of me all day. Do you ever have issues opening your box drawers? Even the isle between the two rows seemed super narrow.
Good post and a timely one. This isn’t the first vid of this issue I’ve seen on here. One poster reported that this problem is prevalent with engines assembled at the Cleveland Engine Plant not so much a problem with the engines assembled in Spain what say you? Why a long block? Wouldn’t a new head and head gasket do the fix? Thank you for your great vids.
My wife's 2018 Ford Edge with 104k miles threw a P0302 code last week. I replaced all 4 plugs and coils and took it to autozone to reset the code. We took the car for a trip from Dallas to West Monroe, Lousiana. About 700 mile round trip. Car seemed fine. Maybe a little rough during idle. Anyways, the code reappeared yesterday after a week. Coolant seems fine. No where close to empty like the one in the video. I'm going to replace the #2 fuel injector. If that doesn't fix the misfire code, guess I'll be visiting the Ford dealer soon. Car is almost paid off too. RIP. Edit: Also forgot to mention, #2 plug was much harder to remove compared to the others. I think we might be beginning to experience this issue. I'll closely be monitoring the coolant for sure.
I can’t imagine how many people have probably had this issue and just trade the vehicle in or give up or end up being out of warranty Had some on and off misfire issues with my ST since I bought it at 25k mikes and I’m now at 36k and coolant also seemed down I’m definitely going to investigate this, I just really hope mine isn’t affected since it’s low mileage and out of warranty
@@wildhog98 I never scoped cylinders but my misfires have been gone since I fixed several items. I did plugs coils and purge valve and added a methanol kit to clean valves. Not tuned for it and I also added a front side catch can. I’m still keeping an eye on coolant for now but I don’t drive much only at 45k now but it has seemed good but time will tell.
Dont know how I'm just now coming across this..... But you know how many Focus ST owners that have no clue this is going on..... I've told alot of people about this problem back in 2014 when just before I retired from the shop, another problem Ive seen from the 2.0ltr ecoboom errr I mean boost 😅 is the crush washers on the coolant line to the turbo failing around 80k-150k( W713212-S300 ) I literally do this every plug change, time it for an hour and check for wetness, because the 1st time I did my plugs in 2021 6mo after buying my 2017 Focus ST, I scoped my cyls, all 4, and they were all clean, and You know that weird feeling you get as a tech, that feeling youre about to be doing alot of work you shouldnt have to do, yeah i had that one. Well I hooked my MAC Tools leak down tester up, and it held, and so i went 30 more mins just as a precaution, still held 21psi, I was seriously relieved.... But also running 1 step colder plugs and 91octane+ and extra precautionary measures, because its a turbo'd engine, cylinders and pistons are still pretty clean for 99,788 miles(literally did a spring tune up, fresh oil, valve check(carbon buildup) new plugs, cyl psi check, leak down on the coolant system, and scoping the cylinders, and scoping the turbo as well, both turbine and compressor housing making sure the prop shaft is good, but I did smell a slight coolant smell a cpl days ago and went ahead and did my spring tune up, amd saw a small speckle of cooked coolant so i pulled the crush washer and got it put back together, all good for now, but as a prior Ford Tech myself I still cant believe this tsb had never turned into a full out recall or a complete recast on the block and reissue, yeah it'll be a cpl billion to replace, but its better than beng sued for a 12-15billion because of how long this has been going on anf the amount of vehicles thst use the 2.0ltr engine.... Reminds me of the Focus RS head gasket problem 🤦 Man I'm glad there are still dealership techs out there going as far as I used to when I worked on the Publics vehicles. You sir have a new sub, and sorry so long 🤦🤙
I have a 2017 Ford Edge SEL with just over 100k miles. It too has started using coolant. It gave the code PO304 and I replaced the sparks plugs. But it still idles rough at times. No coolant leaks in the garage. I bought the vehicle new and the dealership said they put a LIFETIME WARRANTY on the Engine and Transmission. I’m taking it in to let them diagnose the problem. But it seems like it’s the same issue other Ecoboost owners are having and needs a new block.
I don't like putting anti seize on spark plugs because of the fouling that has happened where the anti seasons of getting on the spark plug end and believe it or not the roughness between the threads and the contact of the cylinder head helps lock everything in
I'm a mechanic for 40 years. Don't believe in anti seize on plugs except on the part of the plug (not threads) on the 3 valve Fords where the plugs tend to seize in the head. Haven't had any problem if the plugs are changed once in awhile. Did break a plug in my 2000 Explorer 5.0 and an easy out got it out. Hadn't changed the plugs in 135k miles and think the rust weakened the plug where they're fused together. Anti seize makes a mess of things and even on wheel studs it makes a mess. A drop of oil on wheel studs is all that's needed.
I just bought a used 2016 Ford Edge with the 2.0 eco boost for my wife with 95000 miles . Check engine light came on gave me p0302 code so I replaced all spark plugs and the 2nd cylinders coil. Light went away. I called my buddy that is the head mechanic at Hagerstown ford in Maryland and he’s looking at it today I’m praying it’s not this but if it is it looks like I’m gonna be going rounds at the dealership tomorrow cause I’m not being stuck with a messed up vehicle after we traded a 2015 Taurus in with no issue just very high mileage.
Just replaced a 2L engine on a ferd for this issue. Literally still on my hoist 🤣 I have to go to work tomorrow and finish it up. Dropped the scope down #1, can watch the coolant just trickle into the cylinder.
FAR72 for the win on that plug! My buddy had that same training from Ford about loosing plugs and frozen stuff. TBH most Ford rusted bolts come out. Even the studs on old 4.0l explorers.
@FordBossMe will and extended warranty cover this if I bought brand new and bought extended warranty?! I have 2017 ford fusion titanium with 45,000 miles and just had engine light come on with #2 cylinder misfire and I have seen some white smoke once this summer… Thanks for all the support and help friend! E
If I'm getting a warranty repair of this magnitude I would buy two or three more hours for my tech just so he won't have to rush and try to beat the book and maybe miss something in the process
That ain’t how flat rate works if you did get them to add 3 hours to the bill all techs would do the job fast as possible lol ehat you want if to make friend with the mechanics and slide then a 100$ bill and say do it right
Ha! Isn't that something, my 3.5 v6 (same year, SEL AWD w/ factory tow package) used to lose about of half of its coolant from the reservoir every 4 to 6 months. I would always have it topped off at oil changes. No evidence in the oil and no evidence of a leak anywhere execpt in the Summer while running the a/c you could smell, smell it lingering in the garage sometimes. That was always disregarded by service. I also had that loosey goosey feel in my left passenger side tire with a periodic clunking sound, I would have to be real careful in corners as I almost had it get away from me a few timesn even when going slow. The front end on that side would dip down and pull that bulky rearend into a fish tail. Thankfully I have driven cars many years ago with bad suspension components, you learn not to panic and maintain control. I always had that checked and was always told everything was tight up in there. It had a slight fluttery feel (alignment was always checked, always drove straight and held it there) to it in the steering wheel on a smooth highway in that front passenger and I always had to be real careful about fast moves and hard braking.. be extra, extra careful in the rain. But that tire always seemed to have premature wear (all tires would be at 8, that one at 7) on every rotation and I would have bring that wear issue up to service only to have that to disregarded, they would tell me the tech checked everything. I think a four banger is not enough for a mid suv that is roughly 4200 pounds. The salesman kept trying to push me in that direction in between all his incessant bragging about Ford switching over to electric vehicles. I kept telling him I wasn't there for an electric car or some puny, underpowered 4 banger. I later talked to a tech during a diagnostiv drive that told me about these ecoboosts.. what a nightmare.
I think this is happening in my 2017 Ford Escape 1.5 EcoBoost. Since Ford is aware of this problem, what happens if I'm passed my warranty period? Am I on the hook for the block replacement or do I have grounds for negligence on the part of Ford? Thanks for your video
getting the sloshing noise in the dash. It’s a 2017 titanium 2.0 EcoBoost. No water or coolant on the floor. Noticed the coolant was low but when I opened the cap the coolant level raised back up to the full level? Replaced the reservoir cap but still have the gurgling/sloshing noise. Any suggestions of what it might be? Thanks
I have a 2018 Ford Edge with about 50,000 miles. As of recently my coolant drains so quickly! I’ve seen/smelt white smoke coming out of my exhaust. I even had a temperature warning once and I’m scared to drive it at this point and out of my warranty. Wondering how much a repair like this costs? If I even have the same issue… Thank you for this educational video!
Pourus cylinder head. Gfs edge had that issue right at the edge of warranty. Just few hundred miles b4 it expired.. Dealer replaced it with a 0 mile engine.
My 98 Ford F150 4.6 had the debris left between the block and head problem Ford knew about , started leaking oil about 89k miles Fixed it with some Blue Devil , got rid of it.
I read on a report from Brazil, that there is a lot of engines that has this problem (Lot 910) Have you heard anything about this. Why my engine has the sticker missing, like if it was never applied to iti.
Awesome video. I made the mark on my resivor where the coolant is at on my 2019 Ford Escape. The more I watch these videos on coolant intrusion I’m wondering if that’s the case with mine. May get her checked out just in case hate for the warranty to run out and end up in a mess. No engine light is on but there is low coolant. Can they still detect the problem without the engine light on? Thanks once again for your help sir.
How long does it take to get the new long block for the 2.0. Once its ordered from the Ford Factory. It's been 3.5 weeks since the Service manager told me he ordered my long block for my 2017 Escape Titanium AWD 2.0 For water intrusion in my engine. In the 2nd and 3rd cylinders. Then he said 1.5 months before the new long block replacement starts. Just want to know if I am on target for the time schedule. The Service Manager is very vague on info. Everytime I ask a question. Is this normal? Thanks, For your Awesome info. Ford Boss me. Shawn.
From the date of order it takes 3 weeks plus - it says they have to build it and put it together
@@FordBossMe Thank you. Ford Boss me. It seems my Service Department is right on target. There are about 6 customers ahead of me. On the installation of the new long block. Not sure how long it takes to remove the engine and replace it? Need a time line. The dealershio seems over whelmed. Shawn.
@@shawnbeck2303 FBM said he get's 17.5 hours to do this job. The engine and labor is huge cost to Ford, but it's has to be done.
My fusion with the 2.0 took 2 weeks from dropping off the car and picking it back up, it got the long block. But it’s been 2 weeks and I just had to have it towed because it was throwing p0303 again and running worse than ever.
After the new long block, fml.
15-16hrs to install it
It's borderline criminal that Ford keeps making engines like this.
It’s not borderline
There is a class action lawsuit. But you know how those go. Basically a slap on the wrist for the corporations if it ever goes through.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain what is going on, how to diagnose, why it happens, and what the solution is. Videos are much appreciated!
Catching that drip three times on the camera! Wow, the money shot. I bet a judge would like to see what FMC calls Quality One
Thank you very much for walking us through the through process of diagnosing coolant intrusion into Ecoboost engines.
You are a born teacher and a pleasure to learn from .
Thank You
Ford should've issued a recall for this!!!! It is ridiculous to have a newer model vehicle that needs an engine replacement!!!!
Yup! I sold cars for a Ford dealership for 12 years and seen way to many people have to pay out of pocket for a new engine. Anytime I sold a new or used Ford especially these ecoboosts I suggest they purchase the longest Ford extended warranty possible. Already had the engine replaced in my 2016 Fusion 2.0 a couple years ago. And it’s back at the dealership again and it’s losing coolant and I can’t find a leak. Glad I have 5k miles left on my warranty.
@@JayP7.62 how do u sleep at night knowing u sell these shit boxes
@@cameronclark3927 A lot better since I stopped selling cars late 2020. I drive one of those “shit boxes”. I bought what I sold the whole time I was selling them. You’d be surprised how many people bought vehicles with these engines even knowing about the problem. A lot of people that bought them without buying an extended warranty at my dealership were the first owners before we knew there was a problem. The Ford company knows about these problems way sooner than a dealership especially one as small as the one I worked at.
It’s Fords screw up and I hope they pay for it. When my first engine had the problem they said they sent us the new design to replace it with. Turns out they lied. They probably thought I would run out of warranty before this one had the problem or before I would notice. But I have 5000 miles left on it. So now I’m getting another engine. Besides that one big problem my cars been fine. I know mechanics and salespeople in my city that sell just about every car brand except the really high end stuff. We don’t have any lambo type dealerships in my city. No vehicle manufacturers make a vehicle without problems these days. Would be nice if they would actually design and build one to last. The next vehicle I buy is going to be an older one I can work on and buy just about any part for at a common parts store.
Why should it be a recall? It’s not a safety issue people are not getting killed. That’s a recall people think just because they’re having a problem. They should just recall it. No they’re out to make money. They want you to pay first they don’t want half they don’t wanna pay they don’t wanna dig in their pocket. They want you to dig in your pocket you to pay for it not them.
Criminal just criminal, I'm broke ,I'm beginning to Hate the Ford motor company
Nice explanation of the diagnosis. I'm impressed with catching the drip on the camera screen.
👍🏻 thanks for sharing your work. I love how you still verify the problem, regardless of how common the problem is. Watching your vids makes me miss working in the automotive field
Exactly what my wife's 2019 Edge is doing. Coolant tank drains everytime you shut off the motor with no drip marks on the driveway. White smoke with a strange smell. Thank God it's under warranty and I will know the terminology to discuss with the service manager. Thank you so much ❤️
How the car now?
I'm digging this video format. I know it's probably hard to do this all the time, but yeah I like it
Thanks for taking the time to put out these informative videos. Excellent explanation and step by step diagnosis.
Great video and even better commentary. Thanks for putiting this together. Can't wait to see Part 2. This already happened to my 2016 Edge; still under warranty, and it cost FMC north of $8K for the long block replacement, not counting the six weeks of driving a loaner on Ford's dollar which after two weeks was exchanged for a new 2020 Ford Edge from the lot so they didn't have to keep paying the renntal car company for a vehicle. Eventually I got my 2016 Edge back and she is as tight and clean as ever. Love the Edge.
Was this covered under the powertrain warranty?
@@JohnSmith-eh1sb I have the Premium Extended Warranty on my Edge but the standard warranty covers it too as long as the warranty has not expired.
How can you love a POS that breaks down on the regular?
Ford Engines are now on par with Chrysler. Junk
@@burntends9581 That was the only breakdown, and it was covered by Ford and still has not caused me any issues since. Other than scheduled maintenance and a couple of recalls for a brake line, air bag, and shifter bushing, it has not been in the shop for any other kind of work. That's 7-8 years of reliable service and I'll take that any day of the week.
Because of your video I caught our 2019 fusion 2.0 ecoboost losing coolant without a leak! Took it to the dealer and they confirmed coolant intrusion. Fortunately the warranty had 2,000 miles left, so It was covered just in time! Keep up the amazing videos!
Beautiful
Thanks for the great video. I just got my 2017 MKC back from an oil change and the dealer noticed the coolant was low. I'll be bringing it back next week for the pressure test to determine if it needs a new long block, but the technician is pretty sure it will. It's still under factory warranty, so I hope this all goes smoothly.
You are 1 thorough ford/dealer tech... a rare breed 😁....👍🏻 . Every tech should have a yourube channel
I had this same model escape, 2017 2.0 SE. Ran trouble free from new to 70k. Not one problem. Changed all the fluids multiple times, ptu, diffs, trans. Glad I sold it before anything went wrong. Only thing I changed other than fluids were rear shocks. 🤙
My dealer did my 2018 escape in two weeks. Thanks for the video.
You have NO CLUE how important this video is! We have a '17 Edge Tatanium and the check engine light has been on for 2 yrs now. I put coolant in, but its always damn near empty the next day
Had exact same problem on a 2017 Edge 2.0 that was just 8000 miles out of warranty. Ford said too bad so sad, a new engine cost me $6000. It is criminal that they know it’s a problem and issued a TSB on exactly how to fix it. The service manager at my Ford dealer told me exactly what it was based on the symptoms and told me about the class action lawsuits. Ford brushed me off and said, “keep your receipt, if we do a recall you will get reimbursed”. Not likely. Made a NTSB complaint
Did they reimburse you?
This is exactly what my 2017 Escape 2.0 is doing. Cold start misfire, lasts about 5 seconds, MIL light is on. . I have an appt with my Ford dealer to look at it in 2 days. I have taken videos of it misfiring and blowing white smoke , (with an strong antifreeze smell) on cold starts only, because it doesn’t do it every time. Also, I have had to fill up the almost empty coolant reservoir twice in the last 2 weeks. Lucky for me I still have about 2months left on my 5year PT warranty. I have about 47,700 miles on it. I’m sure I will get the call from my dealer that this engine needs to be replaced for coolant intrusion into a cylinder. Scary how close to the end of my warranty this has occurred. Thank you for the very informative video.
Yvw keep me updated
@@FordBossMe yeah it’s getting a long block, under warranty. Service manager figures it will take 2 to 4 weeks to get in the replacement engine. Thanks again for your videos, much appreciated.
You're one of the lucky few. I just bought a '17 with the 2.0 with 130k miles on it. Drove it 4 hours back to my house. Literally the next day it threw the 0304 code. Looked at coolant.. it was low. Rough start in the morning. Was just told today it's going to cost me 6K.
@@JoeSee I’m late to the party but I bought a used 2018 Ford Edge 2.0 eco boost. Pushing 100k miles. Coolant is low. Has been giving me cylinder 2 misfire code. I have had it a little over a year and no extended warranty. Still owe 15k. It’s nice, titanium, has leather seats, nice display and great sound system. As if that matters now. It is still running ok. I guess I better try to trade up for new before it bottoms out
Simple but awesome step-by-step, keep it up Boss.
Thank you for the video. I have an update with my daughter's 2017 1.5 Escape. Finally the check engine light went on and I checked and found the code P0302. Also, the coolant reservoir was a lot lower that before. We took it to the dealer again and this time it didn't pass the pressure test, they will replace the block. Thank you again for your advice on this issue.
My wife's car is a 2018 2.0L Escape Titanium with 34K miles. I will keep monitoring that one too. Very interested to see you replacing the long block on the one in the video. Now I have the a better understanding of what's going on. It was awesome to see the droplets getting into the cylinder.
Thank You, its on order and will indeed update when it comes in
The exact same thing happened to my wife’s edge. Same year, same engine. Long block replacement took about three weeks. We just got the oil changed after the 1000 mile break in. Started with a check engine light and a misfire code.
Was this a new car? Was it covered under powertrain warranty?
@@JohnSmith-eh1sb no not new, we bought it a few months ago. Fortunately it was under the dealership sales warranty of 3 month 3000 mile. Had it one day before the check engine light came on. Dealership was not happy…lol
Thanks for the video - very interesting. It looks like an expensive warranty repair for Ford.
I had a 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0T AWD that had the same fate. It was put back together bad, crank sensor wasn’t on right, charge pipe off and one of the pipes had some random Home Depot bolt instead of the Ford one. I sold it not too long after I got it back. Still love our 2017 Explorer Sport, though!
Note: my engine had the coolant/head gasket failure at only 22,000KM
Thanks for the honest,straightforward information Brother, You be Blessed as well ! And rock on
Tyvm you to
Greetings from Brazil. I've been following some videos about this serious problem in these engines and I think that if some skillful and creative mechanic develops some not very expensive way to recover these blocks effectively with some kind of soldering, etc., they could make a lot of money because there are so many blocks with the same defect.
Excellent video. Thank you. I may pickup that scope, it works well.
Rich great video and presentation from you and as usual great transparency with your presentation, wish we had you working on my ford edge 2019 st line 2.0 eco boost diesel)))) 😀 🇬🇧
Very informative video.Thank you for making it easy to understand.
Thanks FBM. Great video. Learned a lot 👍
Using the air on the plugs reminds me of yanking 5.4 3V plugs, get em smokin hot and go in quick with an impact
Sweet vid...thanks for the tip with removing a stuck plug
your video was very helpful for me to find the problem of my ford fusion 2018, thank you a lot
So we are running into that exact same problem. But in our case we bought the 2017 Edge used and within 48 hours it popped the P0316. Dealer replaced the plugs when they took it in on trade, obviously because of a misfire as dealers DO NOT just throw money at trade ins without justification. With the sales group giving us the run around and attempting to make a claim on the extended warranty, I finally let them in on the fact that I retired from Ford as a factory tech. Now they replacing the long block after the warranty company spoke with me and denied the claim for being pre-existing the purchase. Still don’t trust them but we will see. It’s sad I had to contact some people I knew at Ford in Detroit to get them to do the right thing. Excellent video by the way.
Here is what you could have done, if they still wouldn't have budged
Agree to let the warranty pick it up and the dealer pay the deductible
Keep that in your back pocket
My 2015 Fusion (1.5L Ecoboost) is barely 5K miles out of warranty & this happens. Could you call up your Detroit friends & get them to recall these engines (like they should have years ago)? I hope the class-action lawsuit tears them a new one. (Can you tell I'm upset?) 😬😡🤐
This was an amazing and informative video. Keep posting.
Great video, I have a 2019 Ford Edge Titanium, I'm losing coolant in the reservoir, I believe I have the same problem with only 36,000 miles unbelievable..calling the dealership tomorrow in regards to the TSB. Thx You
My 2015 Fusion (1.5L Ecoboost) is barely 5K miles out of warranty & this happens. I hope the class-action lawsuit tears them a new one. (Can you tell I'm upset?) 😬😡🤐
Did you get your engine replaced? 2019 edge titanium / 2 litre... 70000km my reservoir is dry :(
Ford needs to bring back the Windsor 5.0L 302 CID V-8. Decent on gas cheap to fix and never had these problems.
Should make a new 4.0L VR8 with dual injectors and a small roots supercharger. That would make tons of power and be good with low boost as long as there is a closed deck and nothing too complicated around it. Could also just toss a turbo on it but really you could make a nice design with a single cylinder head mounted on an angle to fit it under the hood.
That or cut the new 7.3L in half and stick that in everything as a nice V4.
Super Great Information, my son has the following codes with his 2017 Focus ST 2.0. With 32,764 miles. I was able to pull the following 4 codes from DTC. 3 codes are showing on your factory lab top computer that was in this awesome video. Took vehicle to Ford dealership due to it being under warranty. My son end up installing a program that VOIDED Warranty. My son being 21 years old. He doesn’t know. ( he’s going to learn the hard way) I ask dealership to proceed at my sons cost. But they did not want to deal with vehicle and still charged my son $140 to void warranty. I found a brand new factory long block for $3500 dollars. Which is not bad. My son works and has excellent credit. With car being paid. He can afford it. But I’m old school and just have a few questions prior to proceeding.
1. PO217 -engine coolant over temperature condition
2. P0316 -misfire detected on startup (first 1000 revolutions)
3. P1026- (ECT)1/ (CHT) 2 correlation
4. P1285- cylinder head over temperature condition
5. Engine coolant was Low
6. White smoke exiting exhaust
7. Attempted coolant system pressure test didn’t exceed 21 psi. System wouldn’t build pressure due to large leak.
I hope you can help or gave me advice on the following questions.
1. Why are you recommending that the long block be changed out. I understand that it would be best, is this a Ford dealership standard? But there might be some people who can’t afford this.
2. I’m looking to have head pressured tested and resurfaced if head holds test.
3. If head holds. Will replacing head gasket be efficient?
It's because of the poor Machining that they did between the cylinder walls they put these big long coolant passages in the old style motor and they found the best way to actually fix everything is by putting an updated cylinder head and block in the vehicle because the old design will just leak again
@@FordBossMe we’ll it needs to be done correct. Would you happen to know what year the new motors are?
I really appreciate the help thank you
Thanks bro great video i learned a lot and this just cleared up all my questions on this long block,,,,,,,, really good bro !!!!!!
Tyvm
If you are out of warranty with this type of problem I recommend a liquid product called K Seal. It is not the same as a mechanical repair but the cost is minimal and I've had it work successfully on three Ford vehicles. If you're out of warranty and in this spot you don't have much to lose by trying. Thanks for making these videos and sharing your skills.
How long does it last?
@@REazyThaRula One vehicle is still going strong at about 2 years after the liquid repair. Since I posted, one of the vehicles only lasted a couple of months before the problem returned. The third was years ago and lasted until the transmission went out. Two out of three isn't perfect but for the minimal cost I would do it again.
Yeah bc I just took my 2016 ford fusion titanium and they said that my head gasket was going bad and anti freeze is leaking into cylinder 4 smh.
@@REazyThaRula If you are not under warranty you don't have much to lose by trying it in my opinion. Like I said, we have one that lasted a few months and another is still going strong after two years. The two year car was diagnosed by the dealer with the same problem as yours. They basically told the owner to replace the engine. I told them my experience with K-Seal and they tried it and it worked. For $14-15 you're not out much. If you are under warranty I would think differently. i can tell you from experience that even with a warranty it's not easy. I personally have a Fusion in since the end of May for short block warranty replacement...3.5 months and still waiting. Good luck to you and you have my sympathy as a fellow Fusion sufferer. I was a Ford loyalist my entire life but this experience has broken me. I've owned eleven Fords but no more from here on.
@Ryan Edmondsen, did it work?
what a great engine tech.
I got an used Edge 2016 around 6 months ago from a very reputable dealership in Burlington ON. The very next day vehicle started showing a check engine light, back to dealership they cleaned the spark plugs and light was gone. Next day the engine light again came on, I came to know about this known issue of coolant leaking into the cylinder.
Went back to dealership and left my vehicle there and told them I either need a it fixed once for all or I have to take it concerning authorities as the vehicle was certified.
They were kind enough to put a brand new engine and gave me replacement car meanwhile.
After the new engine the vehicle is running great, haven’t got any issues.
This is a very well put together video.
Tyvm
Thanks for the info, love this video format, topic
Greetings and Thanks a lot for this video from ukrainian Edge club. We have a lot of 2.0 Ecoboost here and facing coolant problem here as well. Waiting for new video about solving the problem!
So we're on a 3-plus week back order on the engines
@@FordBossMe we are thinking together (more than 1000 of Edge owners) why is this happening to engines. And the main reason, we guess, is overheating of block. Did you look for a reason of this problem? As we know all 2.0 ecoboost and 2.3 ecoboost from Mustang are affected.
@@Aspec1990 it's not because of overheating it's because of the poor block design and the reliefs that are cut in between the cylinder walls
@@FordBossMe thanks a lot for this info. It's very interesting and i'll share it within club. Great video btw and thanks again for your job!
I have a shop in Los Angeles and a new customer came in with a 2017 Escape 2.0 eco boost yesterday with a P0301 P0300.. pulled the plugs and sure enough cyl 3 indicated coolant exposure. Opened up the radiator cap and sure enough got the soda bottle pressure release. Told him at 66k miles he’s going to need a long block and I e-mailed him a TH-cam video of this common issue (considering he’s a first-time customer with exceptionally low mileage and I’m trying to sell him an engine - not quite the best first impression). He was shocked and honestly just beside himself about it. I told him this is why I keep all my old cars, 2 of which are well past 300k miles with really nothing much needed and seldom repairs. I feel like newer cars are so disposable these days.
What do you think he's going to do
He’s going to fix it when he sees how high the market is. He bought it after his lease ended for $8k, so I doubt he’s going to find anything that new or low in mileage anywhere near the cost of replacing an engine. I know he has the means to do it, he’s just going to have to process it. We topped off the coolant and swapped out his plugs which temporarily resolved it, but I warned him it’ll likely come back on especially under load - at which point he’s just going to have to bite the bullet and do it.
hopefully i caught it really early on my moms 2018 its losing coolant but no white smoke and no visual leaks when you showed the hose lines i ran outside and checked all of them the water pump and behind the engine taking it to a shop tomorrow after it hit 2022 everything on it just keeps falling apart so fingers cross its not to bad thank you man
You're very welcome and if you need any help along the way let me know
@@FordBossMe update: it was the head gasket but the mechanic doesnt know it has a cracked block also so it has now turned in to a money pit worth fixing i dont know but still glad i got learn what to look for in the future ill give my thanks to you for that i really do
Eco boom here in the UK I'm fitting transit panther engines all the time they have cam belt issues. Keep safe buddy
If you buy a vehicle from formerly domestic brands sometimes assembling cars in the US, you deserve it all, wasted time, money and stress also thanks for providing plenty of material for quality entertainment trough channels like this one
I mean everybody has a right to say the things that they say but people that say the things that you did hear the way you did I can't even have a conversation with the cuz they just think they got everything figured out
My channel is for help and to ease the stress of people always having to go get expensive repairs done because maybe they could do it their self not for your f****** entertainment so you can laugh at it
another great video, thanks and you be blessed
Great video and explanation.
I have a 2015 Escape with the 2.0 Ecoboost with a little less than 18,000 miles. Started misfiring a couple of months back. Autozone showed a P0304 so I had a mechanic replace the coil in cylinder 4. He noticed liquid (coolant/ water) between the coil and spark plug. There was enough that it had pooled on top of the plug. He said that certainly should not be happening and that I should take it to a dealer. I got an appointment with my local dealer but another coil went bad in the week it took for the appointment. Towed it to the dealership and they diagnosed it with coolant intrusion. Ford told me to get lost when I called them to ask if they could assist. The dealership wanted just over $15,000 for the long block replacement. I called another local dealership and they could do it for about $4K less than the other dealership. I took the car to them and their mechanic said he did not think it was coolant intrusion since the coolant was not entering the actual cylinder. I haven't lost any significant coolant from the reservoir. I think I added a cup or two of coolant to get it back to between min and max level. He threw another "redesigned" coil and a new plug in it and it has been completely fine for 250 miles or so. Have you seen the coolant intrusion where the coolant sits between the coil and plug?
I have not seen coolant where the plug is at
@@FordBossMe Cool. Thanks for the info. Hopefully, the "redesigned" coil was all it needed. The tech and service manager said they thought it was environmental moisture getting in and the new coil should stop that from happening. There is a ton of moisture in the air in SWFL during the rainy season so it makes some sense but I am not a mechanic. Thanks again!
This is the upgraded drive train for the new maverick truck. Hope they have the long block figured out.
I really hope so
I’ve usually been seeing the coolant over temp codes and a misfire code for this TSB, and yes, you will find when you pull the motor, the old block will have slits between the cylinders and this is usually where the coolant is leaking through into the cylinders. The new block will barely have a nick between the cylinders. Such a shame because I’ve seen a couple escapes come in that are about a year out of warranty and having to tell the customer they need to buy a whole new motor really sucks.
Why slits ? Ford made it that way or defective ?
@@BigEightiesNewWave the engineer that designed the block made the slits to try and get more cooling to the block, the mass produced his design before finding the flaw. So yes, Ford fucked up there.
Is this covered under the powertrain warranty?
@@JohnSmith-eh1sb as long as you are still under warranty, yes.
@@aaron1576 I am at 4 years 50,000 miles so I should be good under the powertrain warranty of 5 years 60,000 right?
Huge help rich! 🙏 thanks!
My 2018 fusion makes those popping noises when coming out of a turn.
Nice video. Always good to know that there are still good techs out there. Your work area though. 😳 It's so tight in that shop. I would feel so clostrophobic having everything so right on top of me all day. Do you ever have issues opening your box drawers? Even the isle between the two rows seemed super narrow.
Good post and a timely one. This isn’t the first vid of this issue I’ve seen on here. One poster reported that this problem is prevalent with engines assembled at the Cleveland Engine Plant not so much a problem with the engines assembled in Spain what say you? Why a long block? Wouldn’t a new head and head gasket do the fix? Thank you for your great vids.
My wife's 2018 Ford Edge with 104k miles threw a P0302 code last week. I replaced all 4 plugs and coils and took it to autozone to reset the code. We took the car for a trip from Dallas to West Monroe, Lousiana. About 700 mile round trip. Car seemed fine. Maybe a little rough during idle. Anyways, the code reappeared yesterday after a week. Coolant seems fine. No where close to empty like the one in the video. I'm going to replace the #2 fuel injector. If that doesn't fix the misfire code, guess I'll be visiting the Ford dealer soon. Car is almost paid off too. RIP.
Edit: Also forgot to mention, #2 plug was much harder to remove compared to the others. I think we might be beginning to experience this issue. I'll closely be monitoring the coolant for sure.
I can’t imagine how many people have probably had this issue and just trade the vehicle in or give up or end up being out of warranty
Had some on and off misfire issues with my ST since I bought it at 25k mikes and I’m now at 36k and coolant also seemed down
I’m definitely going to investigate this, I just really hope mine isn’t affected since it’s low mileage and out of warranty
What ended up happening? We are at 46k miles and noticed low coolant
@@wildhog98
I never scoped cylinders but my misfires have been gone since I fixed several items. I did plugs coils and purge valve and added a methanol kit to clean valves. Not tuned for it and I also added a front side catch can. I’m still keeping an eye on coolant for now but I don’t drive much only at 45k now but it has seemed good but time will tell.
@@wildhog98
I added coolant like 15k miles ago and have not added any since so nothing crazy
Seems fine for now just something to keep an eye on
I hope it is under warranty. Great video
Great video.
Thanks for the video.
Dont know how I'm just now coming across this..... But you know how many Focus ST owners that have no clue this is going on.....
I've told alot of people about this problem back in 2014 when just before I retired from the shop, another problem Ive seen from the 2.0ltr ecoboom errr I mean boost 😅 is the crush washers on the coolant line to the turbo failing around 80k-150k( W713212-S300 )
I literally do this every plug change, time it for an hour and check for wetness, because the 1st time I did my plugs in 2021 6mo after buying my 2017 Focus ST, I scoped my cyls, all 4, and they were all clean, and You know that weird feeling you get as a tech, that feeling youre about to be doing alot of work you shouldnt have to do, yeah i had that one. Well I hooked my MAC Tools leak down tester up, and it held, and so i went 30 more mins just as a precaution, still held 21psi, I was seriously relieved.... But also running 1 step colder plugs and 91octane+ and extra precautionary measures, because its a turbo'd engine, cylinders and pistons are still pretty clean for 99,788 miles(literally did a spring tune up, fresh oil, valve check(carbon buildup) new plugs, cyl psi check, leak down on the coolant system, and scoping the cylinders, and scoping the turbo as well, both turbine and compressor housing making sure the prop shaft is good, but I did smell a slight coolant smell a cpl days ago and went ahead and did my spring tune up, amd saw a small speckle of cooked coolant so i pulled the crush washer and got it put back together, all good for now, but as a prior Ford Tech myself I still cant believe this tsb had never turned into a full out recall or a complete recast on the block and reissue, yeah it'll be a cpl billion to replace, but its better than beng sued for a 12-15billion because of how long this has been going on anf the amount of vehicles thst use the 2.0ltr engine.... Reminds me of the Focus RS head gasket problem 🤦
Man I'm glad there are still dealership techs out there going as far as I used to when I worked on the Publics vehicles. You sir have a new sub, and sorry so long 🤦🤙
Very informative!
Tyvm
I have a 2017 Ford Edge SEL with just over 100k miles. It too has started using coolant. It gave the code PO304 and I replaced the sparks plugs. But it still idles rough at times. No coolant leaks in the garage. I bought the vehicle new and the dealership said they put a LIFETIME WARRANTY on the Engine and Transmission. I’m taking it in to let them diagnose the problem. But it seems like it’s the same issue other Ecoboost owners are having and needs a new block.
The 2.0 L turbo get a whole new engine not just block
I just had this on my 2017 Edge. What cause the coolant to leak into the block like that? My service guy told me he didn't know and Ford doesn't say
Another great video. What are you thoughts on anti-seize on the spark plugs? It seems manufacturers are all saying not to this these days. Thanks.
I don't like putting anti seize on spark plugs because of the fouling that has happened where the anti seasons of getting on the spark plug end and believe it or not the roughness between the threads and the contact of the cylinder head helps lock everything in
I'm a mechanic for 40 years. Don't believe in anti seize on plugs except on the part of the plug (not threads) on the 3 valve Fords where the plugs tend to seize in the head. Haven't had any problem if the plugs are changed once in awhile. Did break a plug in my 2000 Explorer 5.0 and an easy out got it out. Hadn't changed the plugs in 135k miles and think the rust weakened the plug where they're fused together. Anti seize makes a mess of things and even on wheel studs it makes a mess. A drop of oil on wheel studs is all that's needed.
I just bought a used 2016 Ford Edge with the 2.0 eco boost for my wife with 95000 miles . Check engine light came on gave me p0302 code so I replaced all spark plugs and the 2nd cylinders coil. Light went away. I called my buddy that is the head mechanic at Hagerstown ford in Maryland and he’s looking at it today I’m praying it’s not this but if it is it looks like I’m gonna be going rounds at the dealership tomorrow cause I’m not being stuck with a messed up vehicle after we traded a 2015 Taurus in with no issue just very high mileage.
Just replaced a 2L engine on a ferd for this issue. Literally still on my hoist 🤣 I have to go to work tomorrow and finish it up. Dropped the scope down #1, can watch the coolant just trickle into the cylinder.
Awesome videos
FAR72 for the win on that plug! My buddy had that same training from Ford about loosing plugs and frozen stuff. TBH most Ford rusted bolts come out. Even the studs on old 4.0l explorers.
I had to drive back a 2017 Ford Edge to our Toyota dealer since it would be 9 grand for the job. There was coolant in cylinder number 1.
I am a Ford stock holder. You don’t see many Toyotas that are 4 years old falling apart.
@FordBossMe will and extended warranty cover this if I bought brand new and bought extended warranty?! I have 2017 ford fusion titanium with 45,000 miles and just had engine light come on with #2 cylinder misfire and I have seen some white smoke once this summer…
Thanks for all the support and help friend!
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If I'm getting a warranty repair of this magnitude I would buy two or three more hours for my tech just so he won't have to rush and try to beat the book and maybe miss something in the process
That ain’t how flat rate works if you did get them to add 3 hours to the bill all techs would do the job fast as possible lol ehat you want if to make friend with the mechanics and slide then a 100$ bill and say do it right
Ha! Isn't that something, my 3.5 v6 (same year, SEL AWD w/ factory tow package) used to lose about of half of its coolant from the reservoir every 4 to 6 months. I would always have it topped off at oil changes. No evidence in the oil and no evidence of a leak anywhere execpt in the Summer while running the a/c you could smell, smell it lingering in the garage sometimes. That was always disregarded by service.
I also had that loosey goosey feel in my left passenger side tire with a periodic clunking sound, I would have to be real careful in corners as I almost had it get away from me a few timesn even when going slow. The front end on that side would dip down and pull that bulky rearend into a fish tail. Thankfully I have driven cars many years ago with bad suspension components, you learn not to panic and maintain control. I always had that checked and was always told everything was tight up in there. It had a slight fluttery feel (alignment was always checked, always drove straight and held it there) to it in the steering wheel on a smooth highway in that front passenger and I always had to be real careful about fast moves and hard braking.. be extra, extra careful in the rain. But that tire always seemed to have premature wear (all tires would be at 8, that one at 7) on every rotation and I would have bring that wear issue up to service only to have that to disregarded, they would tell me the tech checked everything.
I think a four banger is not enough for a mid suv that is roughly 4200 pounds. The salesman kept trying to push me in that direction in between all his incessant bragging about Ford switching over to electric vehicles. I kept telling him I wasn't there for an electric car or some puny, underpowered 4 banger. I later talked to a tech during a diagnostiv drive that told me about these ecoboosts.. what a nightmare.
excellent video. trouble shooting like it should be. thank you
Good information man
Tyvm
I think this is happening in my 2017 Ford Escape 1.5 EcoBoost. Since Ford is aware of this problem, what happens if I'm passed my warranty period? Am I on the hook for the block replacement or do I have grounds for negligence on the part of Ford? Thanks for your video
getting the sloshing noise in the dash. It’s a 2017 titanium 2.0 EcoBoost. No water or coolant on the floor. Noticed the coolant was low but when I opened the cap the coolant level raised back up to the full level? Replaced the reservoir cap but still have the gurgling/sloshing noise. Any suggestions of what it might be? Thanks
Had a 1.5 fusion with p0302 and saw the tsb. Sadly she had coolant on the sp. sent her to the dealer.
15:49 Sounds like me trying to replace my wipers 😝
I have a 2018 Ford Edge with about 50,000 miles. As of recently my coolant drains so quickly! I’ve seen/smelt white smoke coming out of my exhaust. I even had a temperature warning once and I’m scared to drive it at this point and out of my warranty. Wondering how much a repair like this costs? If I even have the same issue… Thank you for this educational video!
8k - 10k
Same situation with my 2019 Edge...
Have to fill to Coolant bottle every so often.
$8k - 10k cost to fix? 😢
I can't afford that 😢
I guess this is better than Ford building them right the first time.
Had to replace mines at 15000 miles thank god for the power train warranty smh 2 months without my car had the same issues in this video
Same issue.2018 -86000. Hope the Kseal holds ? Ford is off the list !!
Pourus cylinder head. Gfs edge had that issue right at the edge of warranty. Just few hundred miles b4 it expired.. Dealer replaced it with a 0 mile engine.
My 98 Ford F150 4.6 had the debris left between the block and head problem Ford knew about , started leaking oil about 89k miles Fixed it with some Blue Devil , got rid of it.
I really like that ratchet tool, doubles as a nut driver ;-)
I read on a report from Brazil, that there is a lot of engines that has this problem (Lot 910) Have you heard anything about this. Why my engine has the sticker missing, like if it was never applied to iti.
Wow.....such problems on a vehicle that's only 4 years old. But for testing, wouldn't a block tester also work?
May be a dumb question but that's exactly what's happe and to my Edge that should be cover under my warranty correct?
Good day sir. Really enjoy your videos. I was wondering if you have seen this issue on the 2.3 ecoboost in the ranger or mustang?
Yes sometimes it does happen with the 2.3 older ones but have not seen it on a Ranger
@@FordBossMe thank you so much. Like the ranger but the engine worries me.
Awesome video. I made the mark on my resivor where the coolant is at on my 2019 Ford Escape. The more I watch these videos on coolant intrusion I’m wondering if that’s the case with mine. May get her checked out just in case hate for the warranty to run out and end up in a mess. No engine light is on but there is low coolant. Can they still detect the problem without the engine light on? Thanks once again for your help sir.
They can, they need to keep the vehicle for 6 hrs plus under pressure to see if it leaks from hot to cold cycle
@@FordBossMe k better safe than sry all get her checked out. Thanks
So ford doesn't let you tear down? What if it was just the head gasket
Can wastegate rattle be resolved easily? Great content as always.
Once the wastegate starts rattling it means the pivot point is probably wore out in the turbo and typically means turbo replacement
Sucks that there’s no recall for these long blocks.. happened to my fusion and I gotta pay around 6k out of pocket
It does suck
Modern fords are high quality.