One of Aerith's defining characteristics is that she's incredibly lonely. Her loneliness as the final Cetra. Her loneliness from her lack of friends and family (excluding Elmyra), and her lack of a childhood. A lot of people take for granted that they have a hometown. A place to go back to. A place that will always evoke a sense of nostalgia/belonging. Aerith has none of those things. But meeting Cloud gave her a way to have all of those things. Through Cloud, she made friends. She found the place she belongs.
Your comment reminded me of the Resolution scene with Aerith back in Remake. She told Cloud how everything that he says and do meant so much for her. When she met Cloud, her world became bigger and she got to experience things that she never experienced. It's also important to note how her last wish in their final date in Rebirth is just to spend a day with Cloud. And when they arrived in the Church, she thanked him for everything. Cloud has brought a lot of happiness to Aerith's isolated wolrd.
This is beautiful and well said. It's crazy how Aerith ended up growing into a person that shows nothing but love for the world and everyone in it despite the fact she had every reason under the sun to be resentful and bitter all things considered.
If you read the book that's entirely true. She got to grow up with Elmyra and had a bit of community with them although not her birth mother. She had to hide her identity though
Anyone with at least a small understanding of these characters know that it is not about aerith’s jealousy over cloud and tifa’s romance, but instead aerith’s envy over cloud and tifa’s childhood frienship and connection. This is yet another scene where cloud and aerith are being vulnerable to each other and support each other, especially when you talk to her again. These are the kind of scenes that make their relationship evolve little by little, eventually making them fall in love with each other. Anyways great video as always man, keep up the great work.
Nailed it here, summed it up perfectly. I didn't care to mention anything about theories from the other side here about these scenes. As we know they are all massive copium lol
But she’s dead a day later so how does that work exactly? Also funny how one time Cloud and Tifa hardly knew eachother according you shippers. And then the next they had a friendship. Depending on if it fits the argument or not. Suffice to say its pretty obvious Aerith here is just looking back on her life. She’s not thinking about Cloud having a crush there and being jealous. I think here she already somehow knows whats going to happen. If you know your days are almost over you will reflect back more. And see things from a different perspective. She clearly never thought that much about the things she ‘had missed out on’ before. But now at the very end she realizes what she could have had. Thats why she’s angry. It has nothing to do with Cloud/Tifa. It could have been any two people reminding her of what she never had.
@@mikev8746 They were childhood neighbours and knew each other as children. At most they were acquaintances, and obviously being neighbours it would be very hard to ignore someone within your hometown especially if you guys were the same age. So, yes, Cloud and Tifa are childhood friends in the sense that they knew each other. Aerith is jealous of this regardless of how close they were as children. They still knew each other, they still interacted with each other one way or another, and they still lived in a hometown where almost everyone knew everyone. The thing Clerith's disregards about Cloud and Tifa however, are them PERSONALLY knowing each other in a DEEPER level. They were friends, yes (if you can consider what they had even a friendship) but they obviously weren't close, at least not in the way Tifa was with the other kids.
@@N4mkji_ Not sure what you mean by ‘on a deeper level’ but yeah I agree with everything else I did understand. I guess she in a way envies what they have but also feels lesser for not having an equivalent. Thats atleast how I view the writing.
This is such loving writing for anyone who grew up in toxic families with unhealthy communication and later encountered this in romantic relationships. Marking boundaries, empathy, active listening, and respect mean so much to healthy relationships and communication. I also incredibly love how this game subverts your expectations. I'm referring to Cloud, who, because of his inferiority complex and the trauma of rejection, acts cocky and arrogant to avoid showing his softness, sensitivity, and vulnerability. Aerith may initially seem like a childish and superficial extrovert with lots of friends, but as you get to know her better, she reveals herself to be the most mature and empathic character in ff7, who is tragically lonely because of her race, childhood in captivity, and destiny. Tifa, on the other hand, may seem like a successful girl with a big goal and a grown-up to rely on, but in reality she doesn't feel confident because of her personality, she can't even deal with her own emotions, let alone anyone else's, and her attention is too focused on the romantic drama between her and Cloud, who she would like to lean on as a crutch. I just love so much how carefully the devs have written all these characters.
Poor Cloud. He lives in conflict with his feelings, thoughts, and memories. He has been through so much in his life. Their concern for not hurting each other while also wanting to protect each other is so perfect.
I really wished they used "Let's head down". It just sounds better and her response makes more sense. Also, I played both Spanish subs that the game offers and they have the same issues. In Latin American Spanish, it's "I'm going to" and the Spain Spanish is "Let's" which only gives me the idea that both of those teams got different scripts, with the Latin getting the American Script (they do almost a one to one) and the Spain getting the Japanese. Small words can change the context and meaning for scenes like these in a big way. It's frustrating to lose that because the vision of the original writer gets muddled or lost. Forgot to add! Great video as always!
Wow that's upsetting to learn about more TL issues. There are numbers of them throughout the entire game that are frustrating. Especially during the alter when Cloud says "I got this," in JP it's "wait for me." Massive differences here 😔
@@mlwjrpgI made my first playtrough in English. I rewatched and replayed some parts, especially the end, in French. Sometimes it’s a complete different vibe. For instance the last cut scene, in French like in Jp, Aerith doesn’t ask Cloud to promise anything. She just encourages him. Or, but it’s more because of the specificity in French, when Sephiroth talks to Aerith during the dream date « that’s where you have been hiding … » it seems that he is talking about Cloud and Aerith and not just only about her. That may change his true motivation …
@@Foxheimer i plaied eng dub but italians subs which are based on japanese script, there are to many differences that ruins it sometims and considering there are dialogs during combat i cant put japanase dubs
Where they sit is important too. Just like in the Tifa/Cloud scene. The sword is layed down (emotional guard's off) but there is a corner between them and they can't easily look at each other. Cloud sitting in front of Tifa's window, Tifa barely visible but waving. Always the conflict : he desires to be close and intimate with these girls, but he's just too shy and troubled. I love the empathy in the second scene. This is "Superkind Cloud", a bit of the true Cloud, the one who could spend his day chasing after Tifa's cat even if she wouldn't know. Being able to show it to Aerith is a sign of their deep bond. He is quite secure around her.
Agreed. Putting aside any romantic interest, whether you're a Clerith or a Cloti, he feels comfortable talking to Aerith because she's touched him in such a way that he doesn't feel criticized for being himself, something he probably didn't feel like he got during his childhood in Nibelheim.
I love this scene, bc the emotional maturity from both of them is shining so bright and the fact that it is on holy Cloti place is chef kiss. I btw wanted share so observation I did, and shared in earlier video but don’t know if you saw it. Hear your thoughts or opinion. Sorry that I’m commenting that again: I have one observation that I like to share and maybe discuss with fellow sane ff7 fans. I was watching TikTok and they used the spinning in loveless play as proof that Cloti is canon and by reading the comments from both sides bc there are many new players not knowing which game it is and who is who, and Cloti using it to poison and brainwash them and Clerith ofc telling the truth under those comments, but as I read the article about Tifa date and just about the GS dates and how they are not canon more fan service with dating sim simulator. I came to conclusion that Cloud in those scenes is portraying the player. In Tifa date Cloud is inconsiderate, aggressive and touchy like Clotis. He doesn’t care about his own feelings, fooling himself and blind to the truth which his own intentions are showing much like Clotis, and he doesn’t care about Tifa feelings and needs and treats her like physically pleasing thing like Clotis. On the other hand Clerith are more gentle, and love natural flow of the things from OG FF7 with knowing how Cloud feels and respecting that as well respecting and understanding Aerith feelings. That’s why Aerith date is like original bc we like what the story is telling. Not fooling ourselves with something that isn’t existing bc we have boner for some girl like certain part of fandom does all the time (sorry for my wording but I’m pissed off so that’s why I wrote what I wrote. But ofc I can change wording if it’s too rude or offensive ^^)
Yeah the scene is peak from start to finish, a lot can be applied in our real life relationships from this scene. I'm sorry about your comment, I'm not sure how I didn't see it on the other vid. But YTs notifications are pretty bad haha. As far as the GS and Loveless noise from the CTs...well it's simply that...NOISE. I think it's comical to say that Tifa and Cloud were in sync from the Loveless section. Cloud yeets her so hard I'm surprised he didn't dislocate her shoulder joint LOL. And their main goal is to try and claim that "all dates are canon," in attempts to somehow make Tifa's date canon. Well this theory has an unlimited amount of issues ofc and is again...noise hahah
@@mlwjrpgNo problem, I just found it funny bc the more I watch the dates the more Cloud reminds me of players in that scenes, maybe with the boys hangout he doesn’t know what to do and is bored, but otherwise he fits into how players treat their fave character. Yh, them barking all the time is funny, bc you will not find anyone from Clerith in their intended videos. If I lend in one I dislike, block or ignore and never watch again 😉 It funny too how they love to translate Japanese language and say what Cloud said to Tifa has different meaning but always ignore that Cloud talks differently in Japanese to Aerith too and she does the same. Like Zack taking like champ that Aerith now loves Cloud and the famous Thank you means I love you, but they blatantly ignore that 😂 btw nakama can mean friend, companion, coworker and soulmate so 🤭
I'd also like to add that in the plays between Aerith and Tifa as Rosa, Cloud seems to be more aggressive with Tifa even in the dream sequence with her; hes super aggressive and stoic. However when he pulled Aerith in while they were dancing, it seemed more natural and gentle.
Oh my goodness!!! It's finally here. This is just one of my most favorite Clerith scenes in Rebirth. Their emotional maturity made my heart warm. Their at the point where they truly understand each other. Aerith is usually hiding her sadness and feelings with her smiles but at this moment, she opened up to Cloud. And she has learned that Cloud is going to accept her anger even though he's not at fault on anything. Her reply to him made me shed a tear I guess when I first seen this haha. I just love how she didn't treat Cloud like an emotional punch bag. Because that would've hurt a lot. And thanks to this analysis, I realized that I've missed one great point. And that is Cloud going down alone and not pushing Aerith further. Ahhhh!!!! I love this water tower scene and Nojima-san described it perfectly💗. Thank you so much for another amazing analysis!☁️🌸
I agree, this is a top tier Clerith scene in Rebirth, we have so many to choose from haha! Yeah, Cloud not pressuring Aerith about her wanting to be alone was such a powerful growth moment between them. A lot of what we see during this scene, is good to practice in our real life relationships.
It's interesting, This whole scene happens with Aerith's knowing that Tifa told her Cloud was never there 5 years ago. So when Cloud points the inn he stayed 5 years ago, she lets it go and continues to talk about other things.
Thank you I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Oh I wouldn't say I'm carrying, everyone in this fandom is doing there part in their own unique ways, big or small it all matters.
Can these two just get married please? Gosh I love them T_T Fantastic analysis btw, even after the game I'm still picking up on small things from videos like these I never originally noticed.
I missed this interaction my first playthrough bc I jumped straight off the water tower to the ground to go see what everyone else was doing and missed the triangle icon 😭. If he had said “Let’s go down” I would have expected her to follow and I don’t think I would have missed it.
Aerith would have included Cloud in everything, and she also probably wouldn't have had a clique of boys following her, to get in the way of giving Cloud the attention he deserves. I always thought it was funny how there were never any girls in Tifa' s group.
the first time i watch this scene in my mid was.... this will triggers CT enjoyer LOL also its kinda crazy that you can miss half part this scene by not talking to aerith again...... maybe the impact is so big that devs scared they gonna triggers some CT
It's possible, we'll never know. But I don't view it as optional, because the triangle button is showing up without the player needing to move. The game is backseatting you lol
Yes it did... So many saying "No! that's Tifa's spot" or "that's their spot" and I'm like no 🤦 that's Clouds spot. Tifa was only up there that one time because he invited her to talk.
Which is just so sad. Imagine being the writer of the story, saying this is your favorite scene you've written in the game, just to have a large amount of people hating it, and not being able to appreciate it, all because it doesn't go with their ship...
Yay! I look forward to all your videos. Thanks again for such a great watch. I remember when I first watched this scene, I found it interesting they had made it a CloudxAerith scene since, up until that point, its always been a Cloud and Tifa memory. Something that the Cloti fans always like to bring up is the water tower scene and now...its a CloudxAerith scene instead. It no longer belongs with just Tifa. And unlike Cloud and Tifa's scene, where it feels like Tifa pressures Cloud to make a promise, this scene is so amazing and, as you said, Cloud feels no pressure here. It just feels like another great scene that showcases the past is the past, but the present/future is what's important (which is CloudxAerith of course). Also, they showed this scene at the FFVII Rebirth Orchestra... "And is growing evermore..." Love the evermore reference from Promises to Keep at the end ❤
Reminds me of an awesome thread I saw on Twitter, "Tifa is the past, and Aerith is the future." When you look at this scene here as you said, well that's put on display.
Yh, mostly when Cloti scene happens at night and as I’m interested in tarot moon card describes illusion, deception and unknown factors when Clerith scene happens at day, sun card the most positive card in tarot and when it falls it always gives good meaning to the reading ^^
Pleeeeeaaaaasssseeeee make an analysis on the dream date of JP and Eng, also the between of Zack how he's changing his "path" in order to make Clerith stronger. Keep up the good work
I'll take note of this for sure! I would really love to get into discussing JP/EN in a variety of scenes. These would require me to collab with some people that are adept at JP though as I'm far from being any good at JP lol.
Love this analysis, thank you! Traces of Two Pasts is very helpful here... without giving any spoilers. It's worth reading ❤ Nice catch on Cloud's hesitation to sit next to Aerith being the same Zack hesitation on their date! I missed that! Another layer here is Cloud not wanting to hurt Tifa by being in their spot with Aerith, her bff, and unfortunately romantic competition. Aerith didn't know it's Tifa's & Cloud's spot where she's sitting. When she waves cutely at Tifa, I know Tifa died inside a little bit. Cloud feels this. She knows Aerith doesn't know and smiles and waves like nothings wrong. Tifa once again, can see the Clerith love deepening. Cloud didn't wave cuz he's embarrased, wanted to respect Tifa by not appearing enthused, and he's reliving his painful childhood being left out & unfairly taking the blame for Tifa's benefit/well being. I really hope the devs have a bff Aerith & Tifa scene where they promise each other whoever Cloud chooses, they'll never stop being bffs. ❤ This whole scene really supports the ending scenes by showing how deep their love, boundaries, communication, and their respect for each other go. Holding hands back to back hits harder thanks to this scene.
I totally agree with you! I hope the AerTi friendhip will remain as how it is right now when all this shipwar is finally concluded. Both girls deserves happiness♡.
I'm slowly re reading ToTP, particularly ToA as I'm refreshing my memory and taking notes for a video I want to do eventually on Aerith's childhood specifically. Also great insight here, you've hit the nail on the head and I agree on having more Tifa/Aerith deep interactions.
@mlwjrpg Thanks. Yay! I'm excited to see it. Good man, doing the homework. No way I'd want to read the brutality of ToA again haha. So thank you 😸 If you remember the ending in ToTP, SPOILER***********she accepts her past but is very intent on moving on. At the water tower, her past comes back. There's some lines Aerith says like, "OK moving on." & "Gotta look forward, not back." She wants to leave the past behind & at the water tower she's reminded of the childhood, innocence, and mom Hojo stole from her. Part of the reason she's so good at communicating to Cloud is because of the trauma Hojo put her thru. She needed to listen & communicate well for her safety & mom. She has massive empathy & emotional intelligence cuz she's had the worst life.
This is a brilliant breakdown of another Cloud-Aerith scene! It really reinforces my observation that while Cloud and Tifa has chemistry, no denying that, Cloud and Aerith's chemistry is just better.
Plain and simple you said it here, there are connections and feelings amongst both girls, LTD for sure. But Aerith and Cloud's dynamic is on another level.
I love your videos so much!! Will you ever make a video on all the dialogue options between Cloud and Aerith? And why the "best choices" are the ones that they are.
Lmao I haven’t watched a CA vid in a bit but it’s appaling how CTs still can’t stay in their own lane smh… it’s an obsession at this point. Great analysis, love these two lovebirds! Here’s hoping for great things in part 3 ❤
@@NordicWiseguy It’s very strange. Generally speaking though, I’ll never understand being so miserable to the point of spending more time and energy on hating and/or harassing a ship/shippers rather than just focus on the one I actually love and enjoy 😬 but that’s just me ig?
@@TamaoAsukaAoi ikr. Tifa shippers spend more time and energy on hating Aerith rather than enjoying Cloud/Tifa moments. Perhaps deep down they know what the endgame is. That koibito tsunagi gesture Cloud and Aerith made after Sephiroth fight was a clear message. No matter what choices players make in the game eventually it all leads to CA. They can't even weaponize Zack anymore because Zerith got nuked in Rebirth and Zack is basically Cloud's wingman now.
Right, Cloud and Tifa's realtionship is way out of sync - there's zero balance. Their out of sync melody would never change its' tune either. They just don't belong together. Whereas Cloud and Aerith are complimentary one to the other, a melody well written. Cloud could never find true inner and outer happiness if he ended up with Tifa as he would with Aerith, she is whom he'd find his true Promised Land.
Why did they change Cloud's line 😭 he just invited Aerith down, I think that line of dialogue doesn't need to be localized, direct translation would be much better
Hi, saw your second video after the “secret scene” one. Really like your explanations, sometimes it provides a new perspective. I didn’t attribute Cloud not sitting next to Aerith to his worries about her feelings for Zack - that makes a lot of sense. I thought he was just being awkward. This scene was significant to me since it added a lot of humanity to Aerith. Before she seemed almost too perfect - always cheerful, optimistic etc. I liked they showed she had some emotional struggles as well. I remember how I immediately felt she got much more balanced as a character during my first play through.
Awesome glad that you stumbled across that vid and this one! Oh yeah I agree with you on Cloud being awkward. I believe it's a combination of many things to consider there, not just Cloud being worried about Aerith's feelings for Zack. I'll do a vid on the gondola date at some point and I'll go into more detail on that vid about it. Yeah showing that Aerith isn't perfect and struggles with her emotions and feelings is great and gives her character more depth. Even with the Gongaga scene with the discussion on Zack, Aerith still struggles with not getting proper closure and shows she really is human I liked seeing a lot.
The funny thing is, I actually opt not to talk with her after the affinity scene in my first playthrough because I just thought it's gonna be another short line like how the previous interactions work. The beach, Gongaga, etc. Why would the 1 important scene that happen is when I decided not to do it? So unfortunate.
@@mlwjrpg Another detail that I also missed is the side quest in Cosmo Canyon, the photos. Now, I do know that I can sneak a photo, what I didn't realized is that there's actually up to 4 photos that I can take. I only took the first one and everytime Aerith turns around, I quickly looked away. Because I really thought I'm taking her picture secretly. Haha, another misfortune.
I am suprise of this scene. Is that suppose to be « the spot » of Cloud and Tifa? The spot of there childhood memory about the promise they make? But, it now share bye Cloud and Aerith.. it’s meen a lot.. never ever .. Cloud and Tifa got to Arith place ( whatever places) and share moment. It could easily be a great moment of Cloud and Tifa by returning in they town and share great memories. Up here..that was a big opportunitie but no.. its a new memorie of Cloud andAerith togerher. Aertih want to know Cloud and Cloud share to her.. it’s cute! ( sorry, i speak french normaly)
About the parallel with the Gold Saucer I’d say that He acts that way because he really remembers Zack at that moment, that they were friends, he knows they were together and that he is probably dead. He doesn’t know if Tifa told Aerith about it so he doesn’t know how to act with her.
Yeah once he and she got into the seat, he immediately shifted from the relaxed gentleman to a stiff, cold and distant behavior. He was repulsed by the fact that she's still in relationship with Zack as she didn't give him the answer he wanted to hear. He tried to keep the proper manner but was conflicted inside, resulting in a very weird stature. As with Tifa during the date, he's been acting like a silly boy all the way until they sat face-to-face, learning from Tifa that Aerith might still have feelings for Zack. At that time, his true self revealed, wanting to conquer the heart of his childhood dream. He reverted back to the silly boy as they exited the date.
@@haihuynh8337You are so wrong, and pls just go back to watching your 5 sec kiss and leave us alone. Cloud is more true self with Aerith, and his sadness visible in Cloti date and the fact it’s never mentioned and you need to watch Clerith dream date, where Cloud wants to go more dates with Aerith and seeing how she confesses her feelings with Zack accepting the truth and taking it like champ must hurt. Part 3 will be less painful if you open up to the real story of ff7 not your head canons that never took place or misinterpretation that is only in your head when the game is telling something different.
@@001Sweety Triggered? Too bad as I'm not a Cloti nor Clerith. You can fantasize with either Cloti or Clerith as it's your own right. I didn't touch that so why triggered? Is sharing my take from the game a crime? Cloud shows his true self unconsciously around Aerith when he's not trying to pretend to be a SOLDIER. When sitting with Aerith in the date, with her confusing answer about Zack, he got tensed up because he's conflicted, torn between his feelings for her and his manner - knowing that she might still have feelings for Zack. Cloud shows his true self, dreaming to be accepted by Tifa as since a child, when he's in private with Tifa, both in Remake and in Rebirh date scenes. To be accepted by Tifa has always been his dream since childhood. And it's part of his true self. Cloud -> Aerith or Cloud -> Tifa are pretty much player's choice in OG and in Remake. The main story though is about Aerith -> Cloud AND Tifa -> Cloud. They both like Cloud and it's not player's choice nor optional. Their feelings for Cloud are both main stream. No need to ship nor fantasize. Even the affinity system is about the NPC's affection towards Cloud based on what the player made Cloud to say.
@@haihuynh8337 The first part of the date with Tifa is the real Cloud shy and who doesn't dare to make eye contact with her. But with no reason he brings Aerith's feeling in the date asking things he already knows and keeps insisting. Then all of sudden, maybe because he realized that he hurt her, he switches back to that fake Soldier persona; the one full of confidence, the one who takes charge, the one who was flirting with her at the bar in Remake. The person he thinks he needs to be to please Tifa. At the end of both high affinity dates Cloud gave the girls what they wanted. Aerith wants someone to "take her hand" like in her song and Tifa wanted to have a Hero that would take care of her, materialized by the kiss she wanted in Gongaga. But there is only one date that shows an evolution at the end and it's the Aerith one. This time Cloud is the one handing his hand to her. It's a good parallel with what we see trough the game; Cloud and Aerith are moving forward, growing their bond, being honest to each other and showing their vulnerability while in the same time with Cloud and Tifa we are more in a "one step forward two steps" back situation. The best example is Cloud telling Tifa he didn't like being alone when he was a kid and the chapter that follows Tifa is laughing at Barret's joke about him being a loner.
Your video cleared the mystery again! I had the same question too when I heard cloud says I’m gonna head down, it just doesn’t make sense. It seems like there are a lots of misinterpretation🤦🏻♂️. Is there some kind of conspiracy against clerith in the English dub 🤷🏻♂️
Dunno why the English dub is so different from the JP but there's a Clerith channel that shares accurate dubs! In case you're interested I'm gonna share the link^-^
In the next dialogue, I always found it odd that Cloud immediately jumped to the conclusion that Aerith was angry at him even he answered honestly (3 stars). I think Cloud was putting his feelings into Aerith's shoes to judge, meaning he was thinking, worried that Aerith was angry at him because she was romantically jealous like he was upset when she mentioned Zack.
Why would cloud ask her “are you angry?” Instead of something like “what’s wrong?” Could it be that he thought that aerith was jealous when cloud answered “ sounds like something I’d do”
This is a HA response and it is clear even for Cloud that Aerith appreciates his honesty in this situation. Besides, she admits herself: "If I was in your shoes. I woulda been up here all the time"
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Also about the EN vs JP differences, it's more clear and smooth with JP as Cloud suggested they both go down, and obviously Aerith had other plans. All in context
Great video and analysis!. Except that tifa did not ignore cloud when they were younger. This beleave is one of the confusing reasons why people hate her. It was cloud who refused to play with them. In remake, the first flash back of tifa will confirm this. Cloud DID NOT LIKE the other boys, its very obvious he was jealous of the other boys.
actually if you read ultimania magazine there explanation for this scene, the actual scene was tifa not even notice cloud and that cloud ignoring tifa was a fake recreation memory by tifa so yeah, you are wrong
@Doomfist69 bro. That makes no sense. How is tifa recreating a scene that we saw cloud have? Also, tifa didn't mean to ignore cloud, she was also shy to talk to him because of the way he is. Specialy when they were getting older. In chapter 11 of rebirth, she points out that cloud would stare at her, then look away, and cloud responds because i was a pain in the ass, meaning that his actitude is what puched tifa away. It was not entiry his fault, it was the villages fault for blaming him the day he and tifa felt out the bridge. I dont beleave not one bit tifa purposely kicked cloud out of her group.
The OST of the scene you're talking about in Remake is called "False Memory" or something along those lines. It was from Cloud's POV. The entire twist of the LSS scene in OG is that Cloud & Tifa were NEVER actually close friends as children. Jenova (the S-Cells in his body) and his own inferiority complex messed up his memories. He was never in Tifa's friend group to begin with because they weren't friends. Cloud was bullied. Tifa never really paid much attention to him. I mean, they were kids so it's not her fault. Cloud was bullied by her friend group and the adults told Tifa to stay away from him.
Whatever is going on between him and both girls, I wouldn't say that either of them could be considered his girlfriend, at least until the end of Rebirth
Relationship boundaries? Trust? What the fuk is this? Therapy? I still haven't ended the game because of how boring it was and bought the game on day 1. It still doesn't hold a candle to the original which was edgy, brutal, dystopic, dark and it was for grown ups. The remake was alright. Rebirth is just sludge. The card game is literally the highlight of the game. Everything else just sucks. I don't know if I will ever complete rebirth now. It was a disappointment.
@@Je12-r7p yeah because my sole purpose in life is to ruin ure day 😂 Why don't u grow up and appreciate that ppl have valid opinions different from yours based on an experience different from yours. This was not an attack on ppl that love the game. I'm glad there are ppl that enjoyed it. Seriously why take offence? Disagree with the opinion and go about your day or consider it to appreciate a different perspective. Did u get any of that?
Why are people acting like tifa didn't try to calm cloud down at times as well. There's more evidence of tifa and his relationship of being a future couple than aerith and not even including the kiss date.
does it work tho? no it doesn't, she even almost got killed. and it continues to be like that even in Advent Children, where she had enough and actually nagging cloud.
Well except in the original story Cloud doesn't end up with anyone. The devs mentioned this. So there's not really "more evidence of tifa and his relationship of being a future couple." And the devs have already mentioned the Tifa date pretty much just being fan service and not connected to the main story line. And there is literally a whole non optional date with Aerith at the end. Did we play different games?
And Aerith has comforted Cloud as well. Both girls care deeply about Cloud. His dynamic and connection is just different with Aerith. Even the scene with the Black Materia speaks volumes. It's Aerith who snaps Cloud out of Jenova's control, not Tifa despite her attempts. Aerith was in danger and Cloud remembered their first meeting. The beauty of CA is how close they become and how their love grows in such a short time with such huge stakes. Are you forgetting Aerith literally willing to die in order to save Cloud after having one last moment with him? The game itself confirming her love for Cloud?
5:13 Buddy 😂.. Cloud is written as someone who lived a very isolated and routinely focused life in Nibelheim. He sits where he sits in that scene because thats always been ‘his spot’. There’s no shipping consideration made there, he has returned to his home town, and in every scene we have of him at the water tower, he sits there, therefor.. he ignores Aerith’s designation and sits where he.. has always sat. Thats it 😂 Holy moly man I fear for whoever you will develop a crush on irl once this Aerith phase has subsided 😂 This person will stand no chance, you will read romance in every facial muscle spasm 😂😂
Oh hey it's my #1 hate watcher mikev8746 👋 What's up buddy? I see you still haven't changed and still living in a vat of delusion. Maybe you'll escape that at some point, I'm routing for you.
@@mlwjrpgOfcourse you wouldn’t reply to the actual contents of my comment 😂😂 Just coming at me with lame insults and right-back-atcha’s wont do you any good. If you actually were confident in your theory there you would face me head on with it. I didnt even say the entire video was bad/incorrect. I just pointed out one thing lmao. And you still got defensive. One day you’ll grow up and see that its much better to align yourself with the truth than believe in sweet little lies.
I always loved Cloud and Aerith’s relationship. While Rebirth has squashed the love triangle and cemented Cloud and Tifa to be the defacto couple, I appreciate the warm comradery and spiritual connection they share. Him coping on Aerith’s demise is gonna be rough.
@holitinne oh I see, you're here to be a snarky dick. Should've figured 🙄 I recommend to go find a Tifa video to enjoy, there's plenty out there. Not sure why you're here other than to try to ruin it for fans of something you clearly don't like 🤷♀️
@holitinne and please tell me how the game concluded after Tifa got her optional kiss in your game, pretty sure everyone got stuck with the same ending regardless of who they dated ☺️
Did you even watch AC or read OTWTAS? Even a memory of Aerith is more dear to Cloud than a living Tifa. Tifa keeps on taking Ls no matter how much you cope.
Thinking Gongaga and jealousy is why Cloud won’t sit next to Aerith is wild. 😂 Cloud also realizes Zack is dead before the Gondala ride. Time to go back to the drawing board. Cloud sits facing Tifa, letting Aerith know subtly his feelings for Tifa. Cloud did not join SOLDIER due to the lack of acknowledgment from Tifa. That’s just untrue. Like you said, Aerith is the one who acts jealous. She gets mad, not at Cloud, but at fate.
hello another triggered Cloti, who doesn’t know what is common sense or never was in relationship. How long were you waiting for the video to be posted and throw tantrum? ^^
Don't you troll enough on twitter? Now you're actually taking the time to come here and do the same thing on TH-cam ? Why don't you go find a Tifa video to obsess over if you dont like this ship?
Cloud think Zack was dead but He want tifa to told Aerith "Zack was dead" (He want tell her by himself but tifa want to do it) but tifa still didn't tell her. Cloud thought aerith still think zack still alive and still have feeling for him that why lead to GS Date
@@danomitedan you sitting here laughing a mlw's video saying its wild could hardly be considered a compliment and that's what you rolled out with to present your "facts". Cloud/aerith channels are far and few in between and I just don't understand why people feel the need to take the time to come and spoil it for the cloud/aerith fans. If I dared to do that on a Tifa video I'd be slaughtered for it but I stay in my lane and just let people enjoy their ship 🤷♀️
Aerith still wears the ribbon that Zack bought her which proves that she still loves him. Also Aerith is the biggest shipper of Cloud and Tifa. And the date with Tifa at the Gold Saucer is the only one between Aerith and Tifa where Cloud actively kisses one of them. And SE said that this was all headed toward Advent Children which means Cloud and Tifa end up together.
Welcome triggered Cloti disguised as Zerith. In the OG she got it from her mom (she had it as a child), it’s stupid to throw something away only bc you got it from your past/ex love if it’s good quality and devs stated that cc will not be referred much in remake/rebirth btw she rejects Zack and Marlene tells Zack Aerith loves now Cloud only, and he takes it like champ so learn from your idol when to give up and surrender ^^ Remember the Japanese doesn’t have “I didn’t see it coming,” but “they are lovebirds/ sweethearts,”
I'm actually impressed here...my vid hasn't even been live for more than 10 minutes and here you are injecting CT canon. You were waiting like a vulture weren't you? Anyways Aerith has always wore ribbons, well before the Zack one. Explain in detail how Aerith is a CT shipper? Your kiss was optional, no way around that, and was never referenced again for the remainder of the game. You also had to see Aerith and Cloud dating after that "kiss." That had to feel great didn't it? It could be headed to AC sure, but with Aerith alive.
You still mad SE axed ZA in rebirth? Y’all been coping HARD for the last 7 months. I’m afraid how y’all are gonna react when part 3 inevitably DOESNT lead into AC🤫Anyways, don’t forget to like and subscribe!
@@mlwjrpg Well since you asked, confession time. I made this comment because I knew it would get a reaction. I found it funny that this channel seems to be all about this one pairing. I did it to mess with you. What impressed me was you made a video suggesting that Queen's Blood of all things supports Cloud and Aerith. Reaching with that one aren't you?
@@mlwjrpgAerith tells Chocobo Sam that they are trying to save Tifa from a life without Cloud. She tells Cloud not to fall in love with her, and if he does, it’s not real. Talk about foreshadowing Rebirth. Aerith gave Cloud the reunion flower, knowing he would give it to Tifa. Then in Rebirth we see the flower at Tifa’s house in both Cloud’s memory and Tifa’s memory. Aerith told Tifa to follow her heart and chase after Cloud when he was trying to stop the plate fall. Aerith doesn’t seem to think what her and Cloud have is a normal relationship. In the Gondala, she says “just until the ride is over” and in their dream date “just play along for a bit”.
This scene is so cute. I also find Aerith’s confidence and emotional intelligence a really inspirational trait. The way she just calmly stated her boundaries and knew her limits. 🥹
![Signs of a Complicit Relationship - PART II: What Cloud Means to Aerith [CC & REMAKE SPOILERS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HGFUnXl_D9g/mqdefault.jpg)
![[#2024MAMA] ROSÉ (로제), Bruno Mars - APT. | Mnet 241122 방송](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dgGqD28J6aQ/mqdefault.jpg)
One of Aerith's defining characteristics is that she's incredibly lonely. Her loneliness as the final Cetra. Her loneliness from her lack of friends and family (excluding Elmyra), and her lack of a childhood. A lot of people take for granted that they have a hometown. A place to go back to. A place that will always evoke a sense of nostalgia/belonging. Aerith has none of those things. But meeting Cloud gave her a way to have all of those things. Through Cloud, she made friends. She found the place she belongs.
Yeah, her song said it all. Poor girl.
Your comment reminded me of the Resolution scene with Aerith back in Remake. She told Cloud how everything that he says and do meant so much for her. When she met Cloud, her world became bigger and she got to experience things that she never experienced.
It's also important to note how her last wish in their final date in Rebirth is just to spend a day with Cloud. And when they arrived in the Church, she thanked him for everything. Cloud has brought a lot of happiness to Aerith's isolated wolrd.
This is beautiful and well said. It's crazy how Aerith ended up growing into a person that shows nothing but love for the world and everyone in it despite the fact she had every reason under the sun to be resentful and bitter all things considered.
If you read the book that's entirely true. She got to grow up with Elmyra and had a bit of community with them although not her birth mother. She had to hide her identity though
@@StakeMammon THIS
Anyone with at least a small understanding of these characters know that it is not about aerith’s jealousy over cloud and tifa’s romance, but instead aerith’s envy over cloud and tifa’s childhood frienship and connection. This is yet another scene where cloud and aerith are being vulnerable to each other and support each other, especially when you talk to her again. These are the kind of scenes that make their relationship evolve little by little, eventually making them fall in love with each other.
Anyways great video as always man, keep up the great work.
Nailed it here, summed it up perfectly. I didn't care to mention anything about theories from the other side here about these scenes. As we know they are all massive copium lol
But she’s dead a day later so how does that work exactly?
Also funny how one time Cloud and Tifa hardly knew eachother according you shippers. And then the next they had a friendship. Depending on if it fits the argument or not.
Suffice to say its pretty obvious Aerith here is just looking back on her life. She’s not thinking about Cloud having a crush there and being jealous. I think here she already somehow knows whats going to happen.
If you know your days are almost over you will reflect back more. And see things from a different perspective. She clearly never thought that much about the things she ‘had missed out on’ before. But now at the very end she realizes what she could have had.
Thats why she’s angry. It has nothing to do with Cloud/Tifa. It could have been any two people reminding her of what she never had.
@@mikev8746 They were childhood neighbours and knew each other as children. At most they were acquaintances, and obviously being neighbours it would be very hard to ignore someone within your hometown especially if you guys were the same age. So, yes, Cloud and Tifa are childhood friends in the sense that they knew each other.
Aerith is jealous of this regardless of how close they were as children. They still knew each other, they still interacted with each other one way or another, and they still lived in a hometown where almost everyone knew everyone.
The thing Clerith's disregards about Cloud and Tifa however, are them PERSONALLY knowing each other in a DEEPER level. They were friends, yes (if you can consider what they had even a friendship) but they obviously weren't close, at least not in the way Tifa was with the other kids.
@@N4mkji_ Not sure what you mean by ‘on a deeper level’ but yeah I agree with everything else I did understand. I guess she in a way envies what they have but also feels lesser for not having an equivalent. Thats atleast how I view the writing.
This is such loving writing for anyone who grew up in toxic families with unhealthy communication and later encountered this in romantic relationships. Marking boundaries, empathy, active listening, and respect mean so much to healthy relationships and communication.
I also incredibly love how this game subverts your expectations. I'm referring to Cloud, who, because of his inferiority complex and the trauma of rejection, acts cocky and arrogant to avoid showing his softness, sensitivity, and vulnerability. Aerith may initially seem like a childish and superficial extrovert with lots of friends, but as you get to know her better, she reveals herself to be the most mature and empathic character in ff7, who is tragically lonely because of her race, childhood in captivity, and destiny. Tifa, on the other hand, may seem like a successful girl with a big goal and a grown-up to rely on, but in reality she doesn't feel confident because of her personality, she can't even deal with her own emotions, let alone anyone else's, and her attention is too focused on the romantic drama between her and Cloud, who she would like to lean on as a crutch.
I just love so much how carefully the devs have written all these characters.
Amazing analysis here! Agree with it all!
Poor Cloud. He lives in conflict with his feelings, thoughts, and memories. He has been through so much in his life.
Their concern for not hurting each other while also wanting to protect each other is so perfect.
Their upbringing were so similar yet so vastly different at the same time.
I really wished they used "Let's head down". It just sounds better and her response makes more sense. Also, I played both Spanish subs that the game offers and they have the same issues. In Latin American Spanish, it's "I'm going to" and the Spain Spanish is "Let's" which only gives me the idea that both of those teams got different scripts, with the Latin getting the American Script (they do almost a one to one) and the Spain getting the Japanese. Small words can change the context and meaning for scenes like these in a big way. It's frustrating to lose that because the vision of the original writer gets muddled or lost. Forgot to add! Great video as always!
Wow that's upsetting to learn about more TL issues. There are numbers of them throughout the entire game that are frustrating. Especially during the alter when Cloud says "I got this," in JP it's "wait for me." Massive differences here 😔
@@mlwjrpgI made my first playtrough in English. I rewatched and replayed some parts, especially the end, in French. Sometimes it’s a complete different vibe.
For instance the last cut scene, in French like in Jp, Aerith doesn’t ask Cloud to promise anything. She just encourages him.
Or, but it’s more because of the specificity in French, when Sephiroth talks to Aerith during the dream date « that’s where you have been hiding … » it seems that he is talking about Cloud and Aerith and not just only about her. That may change his true motivation …
@@Foxheimer i plaied eng dub but italians subs which are based on japanese script, there are to many differences that ruins it sometims and considering there are dialogs during combat i cant put japanase dubs
Where they sit is important too. Just like in the Tifa/Cloud scene. The sword is layed down (emotional guard's off) but there is a corner between them and they can't easily look at each other. Cloud sitting in front of Tifa's window, Tifa barely visible but waving. Always the conflict : he desires to be close and intimate with these girls, but he's just too shy and troubled. I love the empathy in the second scene. This is "Superkind Cloud", a bit of the true Cloud, the one who could spend his day chasing after Tifa's cat even if she wouldn't know. Being able to show it to Aerith is a sign of their deep bond. He is quite secure around her.
Those glimpses of true Cloud coming out to shine around Aerith are always incredible.
Agreed. Putting aside any romantic interest, whether you're a Clerith or a Cloti, he feels comfortable talking to Aerith because she's touched him in such a way that he doesn't feel criticized for being himself, something he probably didn't feel like he got during his childhood in Nibelheim.
I love this scene, bc the emotional maturity from both of them is shining so bright and the fact that it is on holy Cloti place is chef kiss.
I btw wanted share so observation I did, and shared in earlier video but don’t know if you saw it. Hear your thoughts or opinion. Sorry that I’m commenting that again: I have one observation that I like to share and maybe discuss with fellow sane ff7 fans. I was watching TikTok and they used the spinning in loveless play as proof that Cloti is canon and by reading the comments from both sides bc there are many new players not knowing which game it is and who is who, and Cloti using it to poison and brainwash them and Clerith ofc telling the truth under those comments, but as I read the article about Tifa date and just about the GS dates and how they are not canon more fan service with dating sim simulator. I came to conclusion that Cloud in those scenes is portraying the player. In Tifa date Cloud is inconsiderate, aggressive and touchy like Clotis. He doesn’t care about his own feelings, fooling himself and blind to the truth which his own intentions are showing much like Clotis, and he doesn’t care about Tifa feelings and needs and treats her like physically pleasing thing like Clotis. On the other hand Clerith are more gentle, and love natural flow of the things from OG FF7 with knowing how Cloud feels and respecting that as well respecting and understanding Aerith feelings. That’s why Aerith date is like original bc we like what the story is telling. Not fooling ourselves with something that isn’t existing bc we have boner for some girl like certain part of fandom does all the time (sorry for my wording but I’m pissed off so that’s why I wrote what I wrote. But ofc I can change wording if it’s too rude or offensive ^^)
Yeah the scene is peak from start to finish, a lot can be applied in our real life relationships from this scene.
I'm sorry about your comment, I'm not sure how I didn't see it on the other vid. But YTs notifications are pretty bad haha.
As far as the GS and Loveless noise from the CTs...well it's simply that...NOISE. I think it's comical to say that Tifa and Cloud were in sync from the Loveless section. Cloud yeets her so hard I'm surprised he didn't dislocate her shoulder joint LOL. And their main goal is to try and claim that "all dates are canon," in attempts to somehow make Tifa's date canon. Well this theory has an unlimited amount of issues ofc and is again...noise hahah
@@mlwjrpgNo problem, I just found it funny bc the more I watch the dates the more Cloud reminds me of players in that scenes, maybe with the boys hangout he doesn’t know what to do and is bored, but otherwise he fits into how players treat their fave character. Yh, them barking all the time is funny, bc you will not find anyone from Clerith in their intended videos. If I lend in one I dislike, block or ignore and never watch again 😉
It funny too how they love to translate Japanese language and say what Cloud said to Tifa has different meaning but always ignore that Cloud talks differently in Japanese to Aerith too and she does the same. Like Zack taking like champ that Aerith now loves Cloud and the famous Thank you means I love you, but they blatantly ignore that 😂 btw nakama can mean friend, companion, coworker and soulmate so 🤭
I'd also like to add that in the plays between Aerith and Tifa as Rosa, Cloud seems to be more aggressive with Tifa even in the dream sequence with her; hes super aggressive and stoic. However when he pulled Aerith in while they were dancing, it seemed more natural and gentle.
More emotionally in-tuned. More in sync. Also, we all remember one of the first times Aerith climbed a ladder and it collapses lol
Bingo!
Clerith are such relationship goals 😎💅
100%
Aerith and Cloud have truth and care in their communication.
So much of it is put on full display here.
Cloud showing Aerith his home reminds me of Tidus wanting to show Yuna Zanarkand
Oh my goodness!!! It's finally here. This is just one of my most favorite Clerith scenes in Rebirth. Their emotional maturity made my heart warm. Their at the point where they truly understand each other.
Aerith is usually hiding her sadness and feelings with her smiles but at this moment, she opened up to Cloud. And she has learned that Cloud is going to accept her anger even though he's not at fault on anything. Her reply to him made me shed a tear I guess when I first seen this haha. I just love how she didn't treat Cloud like an emotional punch bag. Because that would've hurt a lot.
And thanks to this analysis, I realized that I've missed one great point. And that is Cloud going down alone and not pushing Aerith further. Ahhhh!!!! I love this water tower scene and Nojima-san described it perfectly💗.
Thank you so much for another amazing analysis!☁️🌸
I agree, this is a top tier Clerith scene in Rebirth, we have so many to choose from haha!
Yeah, Cloud not pressuring Aerith about her wanting to be alone was such a powerful growth moment between them. A lot of what we see during this scene, is good to practice in our real life relationships.
It's interesting, This whole scene happens with Aerith's knowing that Tifa told her Cloud was never there 5 years ago. So when Cloud points the inn he stayed 5 years ago, she lets it go and continues to talk about other things.
Thanx you so much for this vid, your back must hurt from carrying Clerith fandom 🙏🙏
Thank you I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Oh I wouldn't say I'm carrying, everyone in this fandom is doing there part in their own unique ways, big or small it all matters.
I'm a simple guy-- I see mlwjrpg posts, I like the video. S/o for the content!
I can't thank you enough for that! Appreciate you!
Bro this is a great analyzis. Most of the points you made were exaclty what I was thinking when watching this, I just never put them to words 🤣
That saying "great minds think a like" is always true!
Can these two just get married please? Gosh I love them T_T Fantastic analysis btw, even after the game I'm still picking up on small things from videos like these I never originally noticed.
Wedding in pt3 maybe? Heh
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah it's cool how we can keep picking up on things overtime.
Well Cait did predict their wedding. Wouldn't it be wild if they actually did it?
@@ArkadiEnver Oh yeah!
I missed this interaction my first playthrough bc I jumped straight off the water tower to the ground to go see what everyone else was doing and missed the triangle icon 😭. If he had said “Let’s go down” I would have expected her to follow and I don’t think I would have missed it.
Ha ha that's fair, I guess if someone is a rush or not really paying attention they can miss it.
Once again fantastic character breakdown. I really enjoy watching these.
Appreciate you so much! More will be coming down the pipeline for sure!
@@mlwjrpgThat's good to hear!
Aerith would have killed to have had someone like Cloud to watch over her as a kid...
Makes me wonder... if these two met as children, wouldn't they have been great friends?
@@christine8459 They would have been thick as thieves : )
Aerith would keep popping over for dinner without being invited.
@@davidpaul1733 hahaha. I can imagine that!!! XD
Yeah they would have been a small duo for sure.
Aerith would have included Cloud in everything, and she also probably wouldn't have had a clique of boys following her, to get in the way of giving Cloud the attention he deserves. I always thought it was funny how there were never any girls in Tifa' s group.
the first time i watch this scene in my mid was.... this will triggers CT enjoyer LOL
also its kinda crazy that you can miss half part this scene by not talking to aerith again...... maybe the impact is so big that devs scared they gonna triggers some CT
It's possible, we'll never know. But I don't view it as optional, because the triangle button is showing up without the player needing to move. The game is backseatting you lol
If that is the case, that's a shame since I believe the devs said this was one of their favorite moments/conversations in the game
Yes it did... So many saying "No! that's Tifa's spot" or "that's their spot" and I'm like no 🤦 that's Clouds spot. Tifa was only up there that one time because he invited her to talk.
It does my friend who prefers cloud and tifa together said he was angry at this scene
Which is just so sad. Imagine being the writer of the story, saying this is your favorite scene you've written in the game, just to have a large amount of people hating it, and not being able to appreciate it, all because it doesn't go with their ship...
Yay! I look forward to all your videos. Thanks again for such a great watch.
I remember when I first watched this scene, I found it interesting they had made it a CloudxAerith scene since, up until that point, its always been a Cloud and Tifa memory. Something that the Cloti fans always like to bring up is the water tower scene and now...its a CloudxAerith scene instead. It no longer belongs with just Tifa. And unlike Cloud and Tifa's scene, where it feels like Tifa pressures Cloud to make a promise, this scene is so amazing and, as you said, Cloud feels no pressure here. It just feels like another great scene that showcases the past is the past, but the present/future is what's important (which is CloudxAerith of course). Also, they showed this scene at the FFVII Rebirth Orchestra...
"And is growing evermore..." Love the evermore reference from Promises to Keep at the end ❤
I love the fact we have another place both girls share but the contrast is visible. Like you said Tifa = past. Aerith = present and future ☺️
They cannot gatekeep the water tower scene anymore, aww. But what's important is Cloud now has a new memory on this place.
Reminds me of an awesome thread I saw on Twitter, "Tifa is the past, and Aerith is the future."
When you look at this scene here as you said, well that's put on display.
Yh, mostly when Cloti scene happens at night and as I’m interested in tarot moon card describes illusion, deception and unknown factors when Clerith scene happens at day, sun card the most positive card in tarot and when it falls it always gives good meaning to the reading ^^
Pleeeeeaaaaasssseeeee make an analysis on the dream date of JP and Eng, also the between of Zack how he's changing his "path" in order to make Clerith stronger. Keep up the good work
I'll take note of this for sure! I would really love to get into discussing JP/EN in a variety of scenes. These would require me to collab with some people that are adept at JP though as I'm far from being any good at JP lol.
@@mlwjrpg i can provide some help for some scenes if you want.
Thank you for the video. It's really thoughtful and I hope the devs see it. I think they would really like it.
Thanks friend! Who knows possibly they could run across it!
Love this analysis, thank you!
Traces of Two Pasts is very helpful here... without giving any spoilers. It's worth reading ❤
Nice catch on Cloud's hesitation to sit next to Aerith being the same Zack hesitation on their date! I missed that!
Another layer here is Cloud not wanting to hurt Tifa by being in their spot with Aerith, her bff, and unfortunately romantic competition.
Aerith didn't know it's Tifa's & Cloud's spot where she's sitting. When she waves cutely at Tifa, I know Tifa died inside a little bit. Cloud feels this. She knows Aerith doesn't know and smiles and waves like nothings wrong. Tifa once again, can see the Clerith love deepening. Cloud didn't wave cuz he's embarrased, wanted to respect Tifa by not appearing enthused, and he's reliving his painful childhood being left out & unfairly taking the blame for Tifa's benefit/well being.
I really hope the devs have a bff Aerith & Tifa scene where they promise each other whoever Cloud chooses, they'll never stop being bffs. ❤
This whole scene really supports the ending scenes by showing how deep their love, boundaries, communication, and their respect for each other go. Holding hands back to back hits harder thanks to this scene.
I totally agree with you! I hope the AerTi friendhip will remain as how it is right now when all this shipwar is finally concluded. Both girls deserves happiness♡.
I'm slowly re reading ToTP, particularly ToA as I'm refreshing my memory and taking notes for a video I want to do eventually on Aerith's childhood specifically.
Also great insight here, you've hit the nail on the head and I agree on having more Tifa/Aerith deep interactions.
@mlwjrpg Thanks. Yay! I'm excited to see it. Good man, doing the homework. No way I'd want to read the brutality of ToA again haha. So thank you 😸
If you remember the ending in ToTP, SPOILER***********she accepts her past but is very intent on moving on. At the water tower, her past comes back.
There's some lines Aerith says like, "OK moving on." & "Gotta look forward, not back." She wants to leave the past behind & at the water tower she's reminded of the childhood, innocence, and mom Hojo stole from her. Part of the reason she's so good at communicating to Cloud is because of the trauma Hojo put her thru. She needed to listen & communicate well for her safety & mom. She has massive empathy & emotional intelligence cuz she's had the worst life.
This is a brilliant breakdown of another Cloud-Aerith scene! It really reinforces my observation that while Cloud and Tifa has chemistry, no denying that, Cloud and Aerith's chemistry is just better.
Plain and simple you said it here, there are connections and feelings amongst both girls, LTD for sure. But Aerith and Cloud's dynamic is on another level.
I love your videos so much!! Will you ever make a video on all the dialogue options between Cloud and Aerith? And why the "best choices" are the ones that they are.
Oh of course in due time! I'd like to do a big mega video going over every single one!
Lmao I haven’t watched a CA vid in a bit but it’s appaling how CTs still can’t stay in their own lane smh… it’s an obsession at this point. Great analysis, love these two lovebirds! Here’s hoping for great things in part 3 ❤
Yeah several of them commented on this video within minutes LOL
No kidding. Their insecurity shows. They know that CT is destined to fail. The only thing they have left is copium.
@@NordicWiseguy It’s very strange. Generally speaking though, I’ll never understand being so miserable to the point of spending more time and energy on hating and/or harassing a ship/shippers rather than just focus on the one I actually love and enjoy 😬 but that’s just me ig?
@@TamaoAsukaAoi ikr. Tifa shippers spend more time and energy on hating Aerith rather than enjoying Cloud/Tifa moments.
Perhaps deep down they know what the endgame is. That koibito tsunagi gesture Cloud and Aerith made after Sephiroth fight was a clear message. No matter what choices players make in the game eventually it all leads to CA.
They can't even weaponize Zack anymore because Zerith got nuked in Rebirth and Zack is basically Cloud's wingman now.
I fear u ate again
😚
Right, Cloud and Tifa's realtionship is way out of sync - there's zero balance. Their out of sync melody would never change its' tune either. They just don't belong together. Whereas Cloud and Aerith are complimentary one to the other, a melody well written. Cloud could never find true inner and outer happiness if he ended up with Tifa as he would with Aerith, she is whom he'd find his true Promised Land.
All of this was well said, they truly do complete one another. 🙂
@@mlwjrpg 🥰 Thank you sweetling. And yes, they really do.
@@ForEverClerith 💞
Facts.
Be careful dude, this comment could sick the entire Cloti random against you.
Great video man, interesting insight.
Thank you!!!
Why did they change Cloud's line 😭 he just invited Aerith down, I think that line of dialogue doesn't need to be localized, direct translation would be much better
Classic SENA
Awesome analysis video
💞
Thanks!
Great video! Loved it! ❤❤
Thanks! ❤
the way i heard the ffxvi histoire ost at 6:35,,,, mmmmm banger soundtrack with the couple of all time. instant subscribe
Histoire is always playing in my Hideaway lol, lives in my head rent free. Thanks!
Hi, saw your second video after the “secret scene” one. Really like your explanations, sometimes it provides a new perspective. I didn’t attribute Cloud not sitting next to Aerith to his worries about her feelings for Zack - that makes a lot of sense. I thought he was just being awkward.
This scene was significant to me since it added a lot of humanity to Aerith. Before she seemed almost too perfect - always cheerful, optimistic etc. I liked they showed she had some emotional struggles as well. I remember how I immediately felt she got much more balanced as a character during my first play through.
Awesome glad that you stumbled across that vid and this one! Oh yeah I agree with you on Cloud being awkward. I believe it's a combination of many things to consider there, not just Cloud being worried about Aerith's feelings for Zack. I'll do a vid on the gondola date at some point and I'll go into more detail on that vid about it.
Yeah showing that Aerith isn't perfect and struggles with her emotions and feelings is great and gives her character more depth. Even with the Gongaga scene with the discussion on Zack, Aerith still struggles with not getting proper closure and shows she really is human I liked seeing a lot.
The funny thing is, I actually opt not to talk with her after the affinity scene in my first playthrough because I just thought it's gonna be another short line like how the previous interactions work. The beach, Gongaga, etc. Why would the 1 important scene that happen is when I decided not to do it? So unfortunate.
Oh I see, that's unfortunate!
@@mlwjrpg Another detail that I also missed is the side quest in Cosmo Canyon, the photos. Now, I do know that I can sneak a photo, what I didn't realized is that there's actually up to 4 photos that I can take. I only took the first one and everytime Aerith turns around, I quickly looked away. Because I really thought I'm taking her picture secretly. Haha, another misfortune.
@@blazinglightning1425 Yeah I heard this happened to several others too as well. 😔
I am suprise of this scene. Is that suppose to be « the spot » of Cloud and Tifa? The spot of there childhood memory about the promise they make? But, it now share bye Cloud and Aerith.. it’s meen a lot.. never ever .. Cloud and Tifa got to Arith place ( whatever places) and share moment.
It could easily be a great moment of Cloud and Tifa by returning in they town and share great memories. Up here..that was a big opportunitie but no.. its a new memorie of Cloud andAerith togerher. Aertih want to know Cloud and Cloud share to her.. it’s cute! ( sorry, i speak french normaly)
About the parallel with the Gold Saucer I’d say that He acts that way because he really remembers Zack at that moment, that they were friends, he knows they were together and that he is probably dead. He doesn’t know if Tifa told Aerith about it so he doesn’t know how to act with her.
Yeah once he and she got into the seat, he immediately shifted from the relaxed gentleman to a stiff, cold and distant behavior. He was repulsed by the fact that she's still in relationship with Zack as she didn't give him the answer he wanted to hear. He tried to keep the proper manner but was conflicted inside, resulting in a very weird stature.
As with Tifa during the date, he's been acting like a silly boy all the way until they sat face-to-face, learning from Tifa that Aerith might still have feelings for Zack. At that time, his true self revealed, wanting to conquer the heart of his childhood dream. He reverted back to the silly boy as they exited the date.
@@haihuynh8337You are so wrong, and pls just go back to watching your 5 sec kiss and leave us alone.
Cloud is more true self with Aerith, and his sadness visible in Cloti date and the fact it’s never mentioned and you need to watch Clerith dream date, where Cloud wants to go more dates with Aerith and seeing how she confesses her feelings with Zack accepting the truth and taking it like champ must hurt. Part 3 will be less painful if you open up to the real story of ff7 not your head canons that never took place or misinterpretation that is only in your head when the game is telling something different.
@@001Sweety Triggered? Too bad as I'm not a Cloti nor Clerith. You can fantasize with either Cloti or Clerith as it's your own right. I didn't touch that so why triggered? Is sharing my take from the game a crime?
Cloud shows his true self unconsciously around Aerith when he's not trying to pretend to be a SOLDIER. When sitting with Aerith in the date, with her confusing answer about Zack, he got tensed up because he's conflicted, torn between his feelings for her and his manner - knowing that she might still have feelings for Zack.
Cloud shows his true self, dreaming to be accepted by Tifa as since a child, when he's in private with Tifa, both in Remake and in Rebirh date scenes. To be accepted by Tifa has always been his dream since childhood. And it's part of his true self.
Cloud -> Aerith or Cloud -> Tifa are pretty much player's choice in OG and in Remake.
The main story though is about Aerith -> Cloud AND Tifa -> Cloud. They both like Cloud and it's not player's choice nor optional. Their feelings for Cloud are both main stream. No need to ship nor fantasize.
Even the affinity system is about the NPC's affection towards Cloud based on what the player made Cloud to say.
@@haihuynh8337 The first part of the date with Tifa is the real Cloud shy and who doesn't dare to make eye contact with her.
But with no reason he brings Aerith's feeling in the date asking things he already knows and keeps insisting. Then all of sudden, maybe because he realized that he hurt her, he switches back to that fake Soldier persona; the one full of confidence, the one who takes charge, the one who was flirting with her at the bar in Remake. The person he thinks he needs to be to please Tifa.
At the end of both high affinity dates Cloud gave the girls what they wanted.
Aerith wants someone to "take her hand" like in her song and Tifa wanted to have a Hero that would take care of her, materialized by the kiss she wanted in Gongaga.
But there is only one date that shows an evolution at the end and it's the Aerith one. This time Cloud is the one handing his hand to her.
It's a good parallel with what we see trough the game; Cloud and Aerith are moving forward, growing their bond, being honest to each other and showing their vulnerability while in the same time with Cloud and Tifa we are more in a "one step forward two steps" back situation.
The best example is Cloud telling Tifa he didn't like being alone when he was a kid and the chapter that follows Tifa is laughing at Barret's joke about him being a loner.
love your channel
Comments like this mean everything! Appreciate you!
Your video cleared the mystery again! I had the same question too when I heard cloud says I’m gonna head down, it just doesn’t make sense. It seems like there are a lots of misinterpretation🤦🏻♂️. Is there some kind of conspiracy against clerith in the English dub 🤷🏻♂️
Dunno why the English dub is so different from the JP but there's a Clerith channel that shares accurate dubs! In case you're interested I'm gonna share the link^-^
@@christine8459pls do
Yes please….thats so kind of you. Thank you
@@rinnai26infinity oh my! I already shared a link. Maybe TH-cam deleted my comment. I'm going to try again^-^
SENA and Ben Sabin have much evidence stacked against them trying to skew the dialogue
In the next dialogue, I always found it odd that Cloud immediately jumped to the conclusion that Aerith was angry at him even he answered honestly (3 stars). I think Cloud was putting his feelings into Aerith's shoes to judge, meaning he was thinking, worried that Aerith was angry at him because she was romantically jealous like he was upset when she mentioned Zack.
❤❤❤❤
Good stuff. I know this is a Clerith channel, but of course would love Tifa scene analysis as well! Uhh..Clifa?
I plan on doing some non clerith exclusive analysis at some point.
Why would cloud ask her “are you angry?” Instead of something like “what’s wrong?” Could it be that he thought that aerith was jealous when cloud answered “ sounds like something I’d do”
This is a HA response and it is clear even for Cloud that Aerith appreciates his honesty in this situation. Besides, she admits herself: "If I was in your shoes. I woulda been up here all the time"
@@Nat_the_White_Mage Also about the EN vs JP differences, it's more clear and smooth with JP as Cloud suggested they both go down, and obviously Aerith had other plans. All in context
Great video and analysis!. Except that tifa did not ignore cloud when they were younger. This beleave is one of the confusing reasons why people hate her. It was cloud who refused to play with them. In remake, the first flash back of tifa will confirm this. Cloud DID NOT LIKE the other boys, its very obvious he was jealous of the other boys.
actually if you read ultimania magazine there explanation for this scene,
the actual scene was tifa not even notice cloud
and that cloud ignoring tifa was a fake recreation memory by tifa
so yeah, you are wrong
@Doomfist69 bro. That makes no sense. How is tifa recreating a scene that we saw cloud have?
Also, tifa didn't mean to ignore cloud, she was also shy to talk to him because of the way he is. Specialy when they were getting older. In chapter 11 of rebirth, she points out that cloud would stare at her, then look away, and cloud responds because i was a pain in the ass, meaning that his actitude is what puched tifa away. It was not entiry his fault, it was the villages fault for blaming him the day he and tifa felt out the bridge. I dont beleave not one bit tifa purposely kicked cloud out of her group.
@@Jammineyeonline www.shinraarchaeology.com/resources/guide_pdfs/rmup.pdf
go to page 100
read the red text
@@Jammineyeonline shinraarchaeology.com/resources/guide_pdfs/rmup.pdf
go to page 100
read the red text
The OST of the scene you're talking about in Remake is called "False Memory" or something along those lines. It was from Cloud's POV. The entire twist of the LSS scene in OG is that Cloud & Tifa were NEVER actually close friends as children. Jenova (the S-Cells in his body) and his own inferiority complex messed up his memories. He was never in Tifa's friend group to begin with because they weren't friends. Cloud was bullied. Tifa never really paid much attention to him.
I mean, they were kids so it's not her fault. Cloud was bullied by her friend group and the adults told Tifa to stay away from him.
I don't get it, does cloud have 2 girlfriends? Is he that guy
Whatever is going on between him and both girls, I wouldn't say that either of them could be considered his girlfriend, at least until the end of Rebirth
Xdddddd
Relationship boundaries? Trust? What the fuk is this? Therapy?
I still haven't ended the game because of how boring it was and bought the game on day 1. It still doesn't hold a candle to the original which was edgy, brutal, dystopic, dark and it was for grown ups. The remake was alright. Rebirth is just sludge. The card game is literally the highlight of the game. Everything else just sucks. I don't know if I will ever complete rebirth now. It was a disappointment.
Then I'm sorry you're so disappointed
Then why are you here watching/clicking on an analysis video about this game if you dislike it so much? lol
@@Je12-r7p I'll do what I want. What's it to u?
@@khdmhd2947 So you just came here to complain to people who like the game. Ok got it.
@@Je12-r7p yeah because my sole purpose in life is to ruin ure day 😂
Why don't u grow up and appreciate that ppl have valid opinions different from yours based on an experience different from yours. This was not an attack on ppl that love the game. I'm glad there are ppl that enjoyed it. Seriously why take offence? Disagree with the opinion and go about your day or consider it to appreciate a different perspective. Did u get any of that?
Why are people acting like tifa didn't try to calm cloud down at times as well. There's more evidence of tifa and his relationship of being a future couple than aerith and not even including the kiss date.
I think you mightve stumbled onto the wrong channel
does it work tho? no it doesn't, she even almost got killed. and it continues to be like that even in Advent Children, where she had enough and actually nagging cloud.
Well except in the original story Cloud doesn't end up with anyone. The devs mentioned this. So there's not really "more evidence of tifa and his relationship of being a future couple." And the devs have already mentioned the Tifa date pretty much just being fan service and not connected to the main story line. And there is literally a whole non optional date with Aerith at the end. Did we play different games?
Official sources from Devs themselves confirm in AC/DoC that Tifa and Cloud are just childhood friends.
And Aerith has comforted Cloud as well. Both girls care deeply about Cloud. His dynamic and connection is just different with Aerith. Even the scene with the Black Materia speaks volumes. It's Aerith who snaps Cloud out of Jenova's control, not Tifa despite her attempts. Aerith was in danger and Cloud remembered their first meeting.
The beauty of CA is how close they become and how their love grows in such a short time with such huge stakes. Are you forgetting Aerith literally willing to die in order to save Cloud after having one last moment with him? The game itself confirming her love for Cloud?
5:13 Buddy 😂.. Cloud is written as someone who lived a very isolated and routinely focused life in Nibelheim. He sits where he sits in that scene because thats always been ‘his spot’.
There’s no shipping consideration made there, he has returned to his home town, and in every scene we have of him at the water tower, he sits there, therefor.. he ignores Aerith’s designation and sits where he.. has always sat. Thats it 😂
Holy moly man I fear for whoever you will develop a crush on irl once this Aerith phase has subsided 😂 This person will stand no chance, you will read romance in every facial muscle spasm 😂😂
So, then. Do you still consider yourself not a CloTi?
Oh hey it's my #1 hate watcher mikev8746 👋
What's up buddy? I see you still haven't changed and still living in a vat of delusion. Maybe you'll escape that at some point, I'm routing for you.
@@mlwjrpgOfcourse you wouldn’t reply to the actual contents of my comment 😂😂
Just coming at me with lame insults and right-back-atcha’s wont do you any good. If you actually were confident in your theory there you would face me head on with it.
I didnt even say the entire video was bad/incorrect. I just pointed out one thing lmao. And you still got defensive.
One day you’ll grow up and see that its much better to align yourself with the truth than believe in sweet little lies.
@@Nat_the_White_MageAnother shipper not commenting on the contents of my comment. Typical.
@@mikev8746 Maybe, but I actually find this issue more interesting than what you have to say in your content
I always loved Cloud and Aerith’s relationship. While Rebirth has squashed the love triangle and cemented Cloud and Tifa to be the defacto couple, I appreciate the warm comradery and spiritual connection they share.
Him coping on Aerith’s demise is gonna be rough.
On the contrary, nothings been squashed my friend. I never got the Tifa kiss on my playthrough, it was all Cloud and Aerith ❤
@@koosh88215 yeah sure, but did Cloud kiss Aerith in your playthrough? Is it possible for Cloud to kiss Aerith in the game?
@holitinne oh I see, you're here to be a snarky dick. Should've figured 🙄 I recommend to go find a Tifa video to enjoy, there's plenty out there. Not sure why you're here other than to try to ruin it for fans of something you clearly don't like 🤷♀️
@holitinne and please tell me how the game concluded after Tifa got her optional kiss in your game, pretty sure everyone got stuck with the same ending regardless of who they dated ☺️
@@koosh88215 what?
Aerith is 💀 so of course Cloud will choose Tifa 😅
That "choosing" wasn't very convincing in the AC
Still not a couple in AC nor DC 😂
Did you even watch AC or read OTWTAS? Even a memory of Aerith is more dear to Cloud than a living Tifa.
Tifa keeps on taking Ls no matter how much you cope.
Aerith's fate is undetermined in the Retriolgy buddy.
Thinking Gongaga and jealousy is why Cloud won’t sit next to Aerith is wild. 😂 Cloud also realizes Zack is dead before the Gondala ride. Time to go back to the drawing board.
Cloud sits facing Tifa, letting Aerith know subtly his feelings for Tifa.
Cloud did not join SOLDIER due to the lack of acknowledgment from Tifa. That’s just untrue.
Like you said, Aerith is the one who acts jealous. She gets mad, not at Cloud, but at fate.
hello another triggered Cloti, who doesn’t know what is common sense or never was in relationship. How long were you waiting for the video to be posted and throw tantrum? ^^
Don't you troll enough on twitter? Now you're actually taking the time to come here and do the same thing on TH-cam ? Why don't you go find a Tifa video to obsess over if you dont like this ship?
@@koosh88215All I do is point out facts, I’m willing to have intelligent debates but it seems like you prefer insults
Cloud think Zack was dead but He want tifa to told Aerith "Zack was dead" (He want tell her by himself but tifa want to do it) but tifa still didn't tell her. Cloud thought aerith still think zack still alive and still have feeling for him that why lead to GS Date
@@danomitedan you sitting here laughing a mlw's video saying its wild could hardly be considered a compliment and that's what you rolled out with to present your "facts". Cloud/aerith channels are far and few in between and I just don't understand why people feel the need to take the time to come and spoil it for the cloud/aerith fans. If I dared to do that on a Tifa video I'd be slaughtered for it but I stay in my lane and just let people enjoy their ship 🤷♀️
Aerith still wears the ribbon that Zack bought her which proves that she still loves him. Also Aerith is the biggest shipper of Cloud and Tifa. And the date with Tifa at the Gold Saucer is the only one between Aerith and Tifa where Cloud actively kisses one of them. And SE said that this was all headed toward Advent Children which means Cloud and Tifa end up together.
Welcome triggered Cloti disguised as Zerith. In the OG she got it from her mom (she had it as a child), it’s stupid to throw something away only bc you got it from your past/ex love if it’s good quality and devs stated that cc will not be referred much in remake/rebirth btw she rejects Zack and Marlene tells Zack Aerith loves now Cloud only, and he takes it like champ so learn from your idol when to give up and surrender ^^
Remember the Japanese doesn’t have “I didn’t see it coming,” but “they are lovebirds/ sweethearts,”
I'm actually impressed here...my vid hasn't even been live for more than 10 minutes and here you are injecting CT canon. You were waiting like a vulture weren't you?
Anyways Aerith has always wore ribbons, well before the Zack one. Explain in detail how Aerith is a CT shipper? Your kiss was optional, no way around that, and was never referenced again for the remainder of the game. You also had to see Aerith and Cloud dating after that "kiss." That had to feel great didn't it? It could be headed to AC sure, but with Aerith alive.
You still mad SE axed ZA in rebirth? Y’all been coping HARD for the last 7 months. I’m afraid how y’all are gonna react when part 3 inevitably DOESNT lead into AC🤫Anyways, don’t forget to like and subscribe!
@@mlwjrpg Well since you asked, confession time. I made this comment because I knew it would get a reaction. I found it funny that this channel seems to be all about this one pairing. I did it to mess with you. What impressed me was you made a video suggesting that Queen's Blood of all things supports Cloud and Aerith. Reaching with that one aren't you?
@@mlwjrpgAerith tells Chocobo Sam that they are trying to save Tifa from a life without Cloud.
She tells Cloud not to fall in love with her, and if he does, it’s not real. Talk about foreshadowing Rebirth.
Aerith gave Cloud the reunion flower, knowing he would give it to Tifa. Then in Rebirth we see the flower at Tifa’s house in both Cloud’s memory and Tifa’s memory.
Aerith told Tifa to follow her heart and chase after Cloud when he was trying to stop the plate fall.
Aerith doesn’t seem to think what her and Cloud have is a normal relationship. In the Gondala, she says “just until the ride is over” and in their dream date “just play along for a bit”.
This scene is so cute. I also find Aerith’s confidence and emotional intelligence a really inspirational trait. The way she just calmly stated her boundaries and knew her limits. 🥹
Yeah it's impressive she was able to maintain her composure and easily talk with Cloud about it.