2 years ago I had a breakdown on the Nürburgring. Before visiting I had my car serviced, which should have included a new timing belt. I was charged for it, but by the looks of it, that didn't happen, so a couple of corners before Brünchen, the unthinkable happened, the belt slipped. Bongard: €320 Super cheap recovery home: €450 Train ticket home: €100 Fixing the engine: €550 Total: €1420 This was actually less than it could have been. With an interference engine it's a high possibility that if the belt slips too much, the pistons and valves can impact eachother. Lucky for me, the belt slipped just 2 teeth, so this didn't happen (1 more and it would have!) All because the place I took my car to get serviced fucked me over on a €30 part. Legal action is still being persued, but because there's no way to prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the belt was old, I doubt I'll get any of that money back. :( EDIT: I suppose the point is: Do get your car serviced, but make sure that the service is done properly.
@@mgcharoudin It took a few days to sort everything out. I'm glad to have a friend who lives near the ring and he gave me one of his cars (NA MX5 beater) as a runaround while I explored various avenues of either repair and drive home or transport home. Wish I had known about your friend there back then, would have probably saved me a lot of worry!
Not sure if you are able where you are at. But here you can ask for the old parts, just make sure its before the job is done. This used to be more frequent and not an issue, but now its best to ask before its done, otherwise the mechanic will look at you funny. Sometimes parts needing returned as cores, alternator, starter etc will be exceptions as they will likely be exchanged during the service at wherever they get the parts from (if using rebuilt/re-manufactured parts). If its a shop you trust and have worked with without issue, not sure I would bother. But for an unfamiliar shop, you partially verify their work this way. At least if you understand your vehicle for the most part. Shops are less likely to try to stiff you this way.
This is one of the big lessons. If you coming from the east part of Europe check twice after the service is done. Here even the big dealers services (VW,Skoda and etc), do this. They say to the customer that the parts are changed and nothing is done. And the result is familiar like what the man say in the comment.
@@Mandurath Yeah, I've started doing that afterwards. I found a new shop, closer to home even, and the guy actually has all the old parts laid out for inspection. I guess he's aware of the problem and is actively attempting to not be a part of it.
Spend money to save money. Some may not like the idea of spending to safely prepare their car, but it beats having to spend way more should things go bad.
This video should be mandatory for everyone driving the Nürburgring (or any other track). I'm wondering how many crashes or breakdowns could be avoided if people would get their car proper serviced/checked before visiting the track...
Do the services yourself. Check it after each visit at the Ring. Don't wait for something to break, change it out when you feel it's necessary. Do regular oil and liquid changes
An E36 shitbox, hmmm i know a guy who once had one but i can´t remember his exact name, do you remember him Misha? ;) Good to see Philip back, always cool to listen to him and his advices :)
@@mgcharoudin how could you prove who spilt the radiator fluid?! I have been to the amazing place and driven a few laps and either the car in front or the one before that was definitely leaking radiator fluid which caused me to have a scary moment but he kept on going!!! If I crashed which thanks god I didn't how would I prove it was him (in front of me)?!!
Best advice from my own experience: Brakepads prio nr 1. They cost not much money compared to other replacements. If you dont, half way through the lap your brakepedal is a sponge without stopping-power. edit: in most cases the stock caliper and disc are fine to begin with. No need for big brake kits.
Every time I’ve done the Spa/Nurburgring trip I’ve always got my car serviced and checked over even if it wasn’t due a service ! I’ve never had a problem and I drive a Renault lol
Spanner check before every track day, new brake fluid every 3rd day, oil changes every 2nd day, pads and fluids as required, plugs as required. Pressures adjusted on the day, wheel torque checked after sighting laps.
As Carlo said a €30 coolant hose failing on the ring could end being your " financial doomsday " ! Some guys buy a cheap car just for a ring trip then it all goes wrong because theyve used all the budget on the car. Id say buy an even cheaper car then spend a few bobs getting the basics done for piece of mind. Thanks for the vid guys✌
Misha please make more videos met deze man ook van how to fix things etc of dat philip ook op youtube gaat dit soort content is altijd geliefd lekker nuchter en leerzaam !
The best advice honestly : Don't do the Nurburgring as your first track. It might sound cool, but sounding cool is useless. Go to a track closer to you at least once, you'll figure out what you need for your car, you'll learn your limits and where you need to be careful in a much safer way than just sending it through the nurb, and if you break down or something, much easier and cheaper to get back home. Once you got it sorted you can plan a trip further away.
I always visit Alex at RT Motorsport when I come to the 'Ring to have him do a full check up of the car before going to the track. And that's even if I had repairs done at home beforehand. I still have to visit Philipp just to have a chat, such a nice lad !
Was this car the same one in the Auto Addiction video of what not to do at the ring, drifting then crashing showing off?? th-cam.com/video/xPGo1i2lUrU/w-d-xo.html @8.05 ??
also if tires are sitting for a while especially in cold temps than they can dry rot or get crusty which makes the tires prone to pop even if you have tread
Some very good advice in this video. I had a radiator and hoses fail on me that looked totally fine. When my car started loosing coolant somewhere I removed the hose from the radiator and the neck of the radiator just broke of. It became brittle after just 25 years, can you imagine that? One week after I replaced the radiator the hoses failed too, so I had to replace them also. Brake fluid is often overlooked but I had big improvements from just upgrading from standard brake fluid to ATE Typ 200. With the standard fluid I had nearly no brakes left down at Breidscheid, with the Typ200 Fluid the fading was almost completely gone and I had much more confidence in the brakes. Also very good advice is to check your nuts and bolts, I had big expense last year because a driveshaft came lose after 8 3/4 laps and knocked a big ol' hole in the gearbox! 381.37 for Club Bongard (I need to get ADAC membership this year -.-) ~150 to the Nuerburgring to clean up the oil from the track. (If your car is registered in germany your insurance would pay it, but I prefered to pay myself because of the small amount.) ~250 to rent a recovery vehicle and fuel. (At least it had a winch so I didn't have to push the car.) One day off work and oh, did I mention a big ol' hole in the gearbox? Priceless was my best friend who jumped in his car at 8pm to drive 150km to pick me up at REWE in Adenau and drive back again. At the moment I'm doing a lot of work to the car I want to drive this year because it was stowed away for some time. (Not really healthy for a car.) Front and rear upper control arms, the ball joints, all bushings, front and rear rotors and pads, rear calipers, all fluids, new radiator, timing belt and water pump (leaks), remove a lot of superficial rust, respray the wheels and some body parts and make a new bung to replace the moonroof. Also I have to replace some nuts and bolts and maybe I should invest in some Loctite. Thanks for vloging and stay safe!
I always get my car on the hoist BEFORE and AFTER going to the ring.... makes u feel better when rushing around the corners knowing everything is tight :D
Excellent VLOG, hopefully this will reduce the car crash TV entertainment by educating the masses. I always cringe when I think of going all the way the the Green hell and it living up to it's name and costing an absolute fortune. As they used to say in the British Army, "Piss Poor Preparation leads to Piss Poor Performance" Get ahead of the curve and get prepared.
heard so much about coolant, that i replaced last summer everything with new coolant hoses , and replaced the plastic coolant rail behind the engine with n RVS one. Got the radiator already replaced with an alluminium one #becausekapow
Very good call on the maintenance, especially the fluid. We can all remember what happened at the pile up before hatzenbach, when the 911 lost coolant and...it was just a pile up sadly. I like how Philipp thinks, and so should everyone. A factory car, well maintained will be more reliable and problem free, than a tuned/modified car with "issues".
Great discussion but you guys missed something new lug nuts and or studs seasonally is a must, people are always losing wheels at the track keep the lugs fresh and torqued properly. Make sure the hubs have good clean threads for the lugs to bite.
Awesome video! Reminds me of my first times on track... I had to learn a lot, there was nobody who told us how to do it right... Good job guys and nice GT ;) also s50 driver here...
I´m sure that´s useful content for a lot of people, so fewer accidents happen and fewer people get hurt. The less the track has to be closed at TF´s and Trackdays, the happier we all are.
Great and timely video. Even if someone is not going to run their car at the Ring, it's great advice. I have cars that don't come out much during the heart of winter so I'm looking at doing late winter maintenance on them now (or at least soon). We all are faced with the question of whether we do certain routine maintenance now or wait. If you are not a professional mechanic, it's a good idea to have a pro look over your car even it's just to give you a list of things that you should do. You then can decide if you have the time and ability to complete certain tasks or if you need the assistance of the pro to do the actual work. This was an excellent video and good advice.
Usually you should run water plus an additive like waterwetter/McCool etc to make sure that there is something in the water that will slightly support your waterpump with lubrication and make sure that the system stays "clean"
Very informative video... my suggestion for whoever manages the ring would be to make a super basic inspection mandatory (just have the cars go over a pit) as part of the entry process just to overrule super wrecked cars to go in...
Do you guys recommend changing standard coolant for Water Wetter or similar products incase you do spring a leak? If so how does that perform for a car used on the road?
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2 years ago I had a breakdown on the Nürburgring. Before visiting I had my car serviced, which should have included a new timing belt. I was charged for it, but by the looks of it, that didn't happen, so a couple of corners before Brünchen, the unthinkable happened, the belt slipped.
Bongard: €320
Super cheap recovery home: €450
Train ticket home: €100
Fixing the engine: €550
Total: €1420
This was actually less than it could have been. With an interference engine it's a high possibility that if the belt slips too much, the pistons and valves can impact eachother. Lucky for me, the belt slipped just 2 teeth, so this didn't happen (1 more and it would have!)
All because the place I took my car to get serviced fucked me over on a €30 part.
Legal action is still being persued, but because there's no way to prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the belt was old, I doubt I'll get any of that money back. :(
EDIT: I suppose the point is: Do get your car serviced, but make sure that the service is done properly.
I am sorry to hear that, glad the damage is relatively minor and that you are ok!
@@mgcharoudin It took a few days to sort everything out. I'm glad to have a friend who lives near the ring and he gave me one of his cars (NA MX5 beater) as a runaround while I explored various avenues of either repair and drive home or transport home.
Wish I had known about your friend there back then, would have probably saved me a lot of worry!
Not sure if you are able where you are at. But here you can ask for the old parts, just make sure its before the job is done. This used to be more frequent and not an issue, but now its best to ask before its done, otherwise the mechanic will look at you funny. Sometimes parts needing returned as cores, alternator, starter etc will be exceptions as they will likely be exchanged during the service at wherever they get the parts from (if using rebuilt/re-manufactured parts). If its a shop you trust and have worked with without issue, not sure I would bother. But for an unfamiliar shop, you partially verify their work this way. At least if you understand your vehicle for the most part. Shops are less likely to try to stiff you this way.
This is one of the big lessons. If you coming from the east part of Europe check twice after the service is done. Here even the big dealers services (VW,Skoda and etc), do this. They say to the customer that the parts are changed and nothing is done. And the result is familiar like what the man say in the comment.
@@Mandurath Yeah, I've started doing that afterwards. I found a new shop, closer to home even, and the guy actually has all the old parts laid out for inspection. I guess he's aware of the problem and is actively attempting to not be a part of it.
Spend money to save money. Some may not like the idea of spending to safely prepare their car, but it beats having to spend way more should things go bad.
pro tip: you can watch series at Flixzone. I've been using it for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.
@Jeffrey Zakai yup, I have been using flixzone for years myself :)
Great color(britishRacingGreen) on the m3😍
M3 gt
Always like your videos with Philipp , always something interesting and this was very informative!!! thank you!!!
This video should be mandatory for everyone driving the Nürburgring (or any other track). I'm wondering how many crashes or breakdowns could be avoided if people would get their car proper serviced/checked before visiting the track...
Do the services yourself. Check it after each visit at the Ring. Don't wait for something to break, change it out when you feel it's necessary. Do regular oil and liquid changes
An E36 shitbox, hmmm i know a guy who once had one but i can´t remember his exact name, do you remember him Misha? ;)
Good to see Philip back, always cool to listen to him and his advices :)
That e36 is fucking sick! Been looking for a e36 325 but they can simply not be found anymore
I have one :)
Good video
Martin Chapman
Soory I was late dinner with my family.😔🙋♂️🇸🇪
Good comment
Great Information. Thanks Phillip and Misha. "Disappointment is a number that you cannot pay with your MasterCard" So true.
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Yeeaa, thats 400€ for me
the best mechanic on the ring ! after my issu on the turbo outlet pipe (has popt of) you fixed in 5 min.. (the red skoda octavia) !
Very nice video. I want more videos like this. Super nice.
Just go simracing and don't face any of this real life crap
If you have a strong motor steering wheel, you could injure yourself too.
@@mgcharoudin how could you prove who spilt the radiator fluid?! I have been to the amazing place and driven a few laps and either the car in front or the one before that was definitely leaking radiator fluid which caused me to have a scary moment but he kept on going!!! If I crashed which thanks god I didn't how would I prove it was him (in front of me)?!!
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Hope you will make more of that kind instruction videos
Good evening Misha and Philip thank you for taking the time to inform people what they need to do for the ring.
Nice Video. More Videos with Philipp, please! :)
Best advice from my own experience: Brakepads prio nr 1. They cost not much money compared to other replacements. If you dont, half way through the lap your brakepedal is a sponge without stopping-power.
edit: in most cases the stock caliper and disc are fine to begin with. No need for big brake kits.
Also tyres manufacturing date...Cool Bmw e36
Now this is a mechanic you can listen too about track prep for your car, knowledgeable and informative. Thanks for the great video!
Every time I’ve done the Spa/Nurburgring trip I’ve always got my car serviced and checked over even if it wasn’t due a service ! I’ve never had a problem and I drive a Renault lol
Spanner check before every track day, new brake fluid every 3rd day, oil changes every 2nd day, pads and fluids as required, plugs as required. Pressures adjusted on the day, wheel torque checked after sighting laps.
Super useful information in this video. Thank you Misha and Philip.
As Carlo said a €30 coolant hose failing on the ring could end being your " financial doomsday " ! Some guys buy a cheap car just for a ring trip then it all goes wrong because theyve used all the budget on the car. Id say buy an even cheaper car then spend a few bobs getting the basics done for piece of mind. Thanks for the vid guys✌
Misha please make more videos met deze man ook van how to fix things etc of dat philip ook op youtube gaat dit soort content is altijd geliefd lekker nuchter en leerzaam !
Philip speaks better English than most English people. Although, he fixed a friend's car while at the ring, great helpful guy.
No, I'm born in Germany and just been to the UK work wise
Misha did you think that 5 years later you would be starting your own business out of this very building? Incredible.
The best advice honestly :
Don't do the Nurburgring as your first track. It might sound cool, but sounding cool is useless. Go to a track closer to you at least once, you'll figure out what you need for your car, you'll learn your limits and where you need to be careful in a much safer way than just sending it through the nurb, and if you break down or something, much easier and cheaper to get back home. Once you got it sorted you can plan a trip further away.
I always visit Alex at RT Motorsport when I come to the 'Ring to have him do a full check up of the car before going to the track. And that's even if I had repairs done at home beforehand.
I still have to visit Philipp just to have a chat, such a nice lad !
I was trying to pay attention to the video but I could not because of that beautiful freaking E36 M3!!!
Very useful vlog!Great content again, Misha.I definetly gonna visit Philipp's garage :)
This type Ringlife, Ringpeople videos is why I love your vlogs...
Very informative video, thanks Misha.
Was this car the same one in the Auto Addiction video of what not to do at the ring, drifting then crashing showing off?? th-cam.com/video/xPGo1i2lUrU/w-d-xo.html @8.05 ??
Very nice video Misha, hope to see more video with Philipp 👍
Phillip should have his own channel. 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
also if tires are sitting for a while especially in cold temps than they can dry rot or get crusty which makes the tires prone to pop even if you have tread
Nice vlog Misha, very informative.
Surprised this video didn’t come earlier
Realy usefull video !! Thx camarade
That's a great video! Very useful!
Some very good advice in this video.
I had a radiator and hoses fail on me that looked totally fine.
When my car started loosing coolant somewhere I removed the hose from the radiator and the neck of the radiator just broke of. It became brittle after just 25 years, can you imagine that? One week after I replaced the radiator the hoses failed too, so I had to replace them also.
Brake fluid is often overlooked but I had big improvements from just upgrading from standard brake fluid to ATE Typ 200.
With the standard fluid I had nearly no brakes left down at Breidscheid, with the Typ200 Fluid the fading was almost completely gone and I had much more confidence in the brakes.
Also very good advice is to check your nuts and bolts, I had big expense last year because a driveshaft came lose after 8 3/4 laps and knocked a big ol' hole in the gearbox!
381.37 for Club Bongard (I need to get ADAC membership this year -.-)
~150 to the Nuerburgring to clean up the oil from the track. (If your car is registered in germany your insurance would pay it, but I prefered to pay myself because of the small amount.)
~250 to rent a recovery vehicle and fuel. (At least it had a winch so I didn't have to push the car.)
One day off work and oh, did I mention a big ol' hole in the gearbox?
Priceless was my best friend who jumped in his car at 8pm to drive 150km to pick me up at REWE in Adenau and drive back again.
At the moment I'm doing a lot of work to the car I want to drive this year because it was stowed away for some time. (Not really healthy for a car.)
Front and rear upper control arms, the ball joints, all bushings, front and rear rotors and pads, rear calipers, all fluids, new radiator, timing belt and water pump (leaks), remove a lot of superficial rust, respray the wheels and some body parts and make a new bung to replace the moonroof. Also I have to replace some nuts and bolts and maybe I should invest in some Loctite.
Thanks for vloging and stay safe!
Great video - Very informative
a list of german insurances which cover Touristenfahrten would be nice...or does this exist anywhere? Mine (VKB) does exlude it...
Great video misha 👍🏻
Best peice of advice I could give is if your from the UK do the nordschliefe on an organized track day and forget about TF.
I always get my car on the hoist BEFORE and AFTER going to the ring.... makes u feel better when rushing around the corners knowing everything is tight :D
Excellent VLOG, hopefully this will reduce the car crash TV entertainment by educating the masses. I always cringe when I think of going all the way the the Green hell and it living up to it's name and costing an absolute fortune. As they used to say in the British Army, "Piss Poor Preparation leads to Piss Poor Performance" Get ahead of the curve and get prepared.
Ahhhhh....no food chat..... thumbs down :-) not that i love the german food, but i'm just surpised with what they call food.....
I wish my e36 was that dry underneath 😅
Wait is he turning a e36 m3 gt into a track beater?
Thanks for this great content!
heard so much about coolant,
that i replaced last summer everything
with new coolant hoses ,
and replaced the plastic coolant rail behind the engine with n RVS one.
Got the radiator already replaced with an alluminium one #becausekapow
Very good call on the maintenance, especially the fluid. We can all remember what happened at the pile up before hatzenbach, when the 911 lost coolant and...it was just a pile up sadly. I like how Philipp thinks, and so should everyone. A factory car, well maintained will be more reliable and problem free, than a tuned/modified car with "issues".
thats the quietest car rack ive ever witnessed!
Great discussion but you guys missed something new lug nuts and or studs seasonally is a must, people are always losing wheels at the track keep the lugs fresh and torqued properly. Make sure the hubs have good clean threads for the lugs to bite.
God that car is beautiful
I don't care about their faces. But this E36 are wonderful! A dream car!
Great Channel man, love your vids! Great for people like me who constantly need to feed their car addiction.
what are the name of those wheels?
Awesome video guys!! :) thanks for the tip
Preventative maintenance is something every car owner should do.
Awesome video! Reminds me of my first times on track... I had to learn a lot, there was nobody who told us how to do it right... Good job guys and nice GT ;) also s50 driver here...
I´m sure that´s useful content for a lot of people, so fewer accidents happen and fewer people get hurt. The less the track has to be closed at TF´s and Trackdays, the happier we all are.
Completely true! But do remember that accidents can still happen, so see that you can pay any accident costs on top of all the maintenance!
What alloys are these ?
I have heard that the best tuning before the track is getting a car properly check and prepared.
Philipp is the man. I would like to see what he has been working on this winter as he normally builds some amazing stuff.
What wheels are those?
This is een video that I think will be very handy for people coming to the nordschleife for the first time or whatever kind of track for that matter.
Great and timely video. Even if someone is not going to run their car at the Ring, it's great advice. I have cars that don't come out much during the heart of winter so I'm looking at doing late winter maintenance on them now (or at least soon). We all are faced with the question of whether we do certain routine maintenance now or wait. If you are not a professional mechanic, it's a good idea to have a pro look over your car even it's just to give you a list of things that you should do. You then can decide if you have the time and ability to complete certain tasks or if you need the assistance of the pro to do the actual work. This was an excellent video and good advice.
This guy fixed my car when i was there. Very nice guy, fixed my mini in like 5 minutes.
Good point MIsha ,good video .Hello from Serbia
woohoo, Phillip, long time no see on Misha's chanel. Very nice to see you!
m3 gt...i have loved that car and colour for such a long time, good work dude.
Great reinforcement for age old automotive wisdom. Thank you!
Enjoyed chatting live yesterday! Love your channel. ;)
5 stars!
Mr. Casting Couch talking has all the inns n outs about rubber
Oh hey Philipp in video! It's been awhile!
Do you use coolant or just water for summer trips to the Ring? When I was racing in Baja we never ran coolant, just pure water.
That is personal preference. Many people run water here.
Is there any benefits to using coolant over water in the summer or is the difference minimal?
Usually you should run water plus an additive like waterwetter/McCool etc to make sure that there is something in the water that will slightly support your waterpump with lubrication and make sure that the system stays "clean"
Very informative video... my suggestion for whoever manages the ring would be to make a super basic inspection mandatory (just have the cars go over a pit) as part of the entry process just to overrule super wrecked cars to go in...
Impossible, public session is just public road.
because of the bumpy sections of the nürburgring, how high the car needs to be to not scrap?
Higher than GP race car
That BMW is a beautiful colour 😍
Misha do a vid on the E36 M3 GT please lol
Great video guy’s
Very great video. Guys well done 👌
Now I know how to get ready for track days
Thanks!
Philip is brilliant and such a nice bloke!
What tires do you wear?
Hello Misha, Hello Carmrades.
Great topic
Great video, we need more like this :)
Better safe than sorry. By the way is that Philip's car or client's?
Client
Maybe anybody knows, if ADAC (car on german plates) assistance would cover the Bongard?
Yes!
Awesome. So warum the heck I still dont have one? Gotta sign up for it. :D
I liked the video and all the faces XD
Great video Misha! 👍
Do you guys recommend changing standard coolant for Water Wetter or similar products incase you do spring a leak? If so how does that perform for a car used on the road?
Well, just have your cooling system in order.
I’m running water wetter on my E46 M3. Works great even after many laps and sitting in hot traffic. Recommend it.
what was the car under the cover in the background?
You've seen it at every car park vid. A certain GT3 RS