it can always surprise on nomination morning especially cause it's so Oscary (true story, emotionall, transformation, crowd pleasing). If this was 2010 this would have gotten like 6 to 8 noms. Although it still can surprise like I said on nominations morning coming out of nowhere and grabbing some major noms.
I think for me the part that I appreciated most was that they didn’t go all out villainizing Fritz. He’s portrayed as awful for sure, but they really made it seem that depression and paranoia, and mental health overall, were the true culprits of what caused these tragedies. And that to me felt like such a fresh and smart choice.
This film absolutely should have been at TIFF. It also absolutely is deserving of awards consideration and nominations. Especially Best Lead Actor and Best Picture.
The movie is doing so well at the box office. I have a feeling this film will slip into the oscars last minute just like American sniper, and to leslie
@@jerooo159 people didn't like it, no one even saw it. 0 box office return and more audiences only saw it after it got nominated. the actress pushed celebrities to advertise and sing praises for it.
Can we talk about how beautiful Harris dickison is. He has been picking great projects.he is the future. He deserves the same hype timothee chalamet and austin butler are getting
I haven’t seen this movie, but I feel that Chalamet and Butler have considerably more star presence. It seems that Dickinson’s standard role is someone somewhat redeemed or rescued from extreme shyness by their looks?
Honey, Chalamet has done Dune, Wonka, Bones and All, The King, The French Dispatch, Beautiful Boy and Call me by your name, to name a few, please, do not compare him to Butler or Dickinson, they are many leves beneath him.
The only thing that feels off is the exclusion of an entire brother from the family, especially when that brother also met a tragic end? Again films are not real life, especially biopics but because of this film’s subject matter it just feels like a giant omission?
Just got back from the theatre. Pop on academy conversations then straight to oscar expert and brother bro. One of the best movies of the year and A24 flopped what should've been a strong awards campaign.
i was SO excited to see this. everyone acts the hell out of this movie, especially the brothers, but the script falls so short for me. pacing was off, and i was super bothered by all the constant "exposition-ing" you guys pointed out. also my brother and i both, independently of each other, thought that the actor playing the dad resembled the villain from avatar, in likeness, line delivery, and dialogue, so we just couldn't take him seriously lmao
I really gained a lot of respect for Zac Efron…as a kid I loved the high school musical films but in hindsight they’re not exactly the finest cinema out there lol and anyways I haven’t seen him in much since besides baywatch so I definitely had put him in a box but he was fantastic as Kevin. Would love to see some nominations for him
Personally for me, I loved this film. I grew up a huge wrestling fan, but the Von Erichs were before my time. I knew I was in for an emotional ride, but my God that ending had me sobbing. It's not perfect by any means, I definitely felt there was some pacing issues and some areas that should've been more fleshed out. I still think The Wrestler is still the greatest sports film of all time, (yes even more than Raging Bull & Rocky,) but I absolutely adored this film. 8/10 for me.
Coming from someone who loves Sean Durkin and was a big fan of his last film The Nest, also someone who grew up a big wrestling fan, also someone who is a huge fan of the entire cast, it brings me no joy to say I was underwhelmed by the film. Felt the pacing was all over the place, and that the writing was more focused on events than characters. The only brother we get a chance to flesh out is Kevin, meanwhile every character speaks in stilted dialogue that makes the brothers feel more obligated to care for one another than genuinely caring. It was a weird and disappointing experience that's tough to explain, but was a 6/10 for me.
I kinda have to disagree on the pacing part, since we're watching this movie with Kevin's perspective, the deaths/tragedies happened almost spontaneously and it didn't gave us time to breathe because Kevin felt that way when he started losing his brothers, that everything went by him fast, that once you hold everything so dearly, that time stands still with the ones you love, can just be taken away in a flash, we're supposed to be feeling what Kevin's supposed to be feeling in those moments. And I guess that's my interpretation, but people can disagree and I wouldn't mind.
@@TNTGFX I get what you're saying. That in Kevin's head these tragedies all happened one after the other and its difficult to digest. But here's the thing, they didn't. (We are getting into spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen, so watch the film before continuing to read.) There were 3 years in between David and Mike's deaths. 6 years between Mike and Kerry's. Hell even the motorcycle accident for Kerry was two years after David's death, which the film made it seem happened the night of the funeral if I'm not mistaken. The tragedies that happened closest together (2 years) would probably be Kerry's death and the brother that wasn't even depicted, Chris. These are all creative choices by Durkin. I agree, I think Durkin wanted it to feel like a snowball effect like you said. For me it came off much more like "a series of unfortunate events" instead of a character watching his family disintegrate before his eyes while he struggles to grapple with his ambitions wrestling, the thing tearing them apart. The problem with not giving us enough moments to breathe, especially with a character who isn't the most emotive like Kevin, is we can't see/connect with whatever he's going thru internally. He's the "pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep moving" guy. I would've enjoyed more moments with him and his wife. With him and his remaining brothers. Him and his mom. We get occasional glimpses, but in my opinion not enough to really flesh out the characters as well as I'd hoped. But when you have this "one right after another" approach to the plot (as tragic as it may be) with characters who frankly feel shallow and have wooden dialogue, it almost toes the line of falling into self-parody.
I have a friend who is in the academy and I talked up this movie big time. He says he's going to watch his screener. I actually think that the Pro Wrestling subject matter might be holding some film snobs back but once they see it, they will get it.
I felt exactly the same way about the Mindhunter actor playing the father. His deliveries didnt feel natural. specially in that Gun gifting scene with Jeremy, the whole dialogue play felt off. Besides, the character was one note through n through
The Iron Claw takes place during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, The Great Kabuki, Bruiser Brody, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado.
I wish I liked the film as much as you guys did, but I just found it stilted and a little hollow. With each passing feature, I'm thinking Durkin may be a better director than he is screenwriter. The writing here is pretty on the nose. Some of that could have been saved if I felt emotionally invested, but unfortunately the tears did not jerk. Maybe if I had a brother 😭😭
Confident in saying it was my favorite movie I watched last year. I've been consistently disappointed for what feels like years now. I just enjoyed The Iron Claw. Not even going to bother with the whole "yeah it wasn't perfect" because I don't care. I enjoyed the experience and I will watch it again.
I really like the film. Unfortunately for me, prior to the movie. I read up about the whole story of this family. So some of the inaccuracy really bugged me. The omission of the youngest Chris von Erich especially. I completely understand why he didn’t include it. A film like this can only balance so much tragedy.
@@gauravw6947 I think Maestro is bad and I never had nor just newly have any prejudice against Bradley. One can find Maestro is bad, it's not a big deal and not personal against Bradley.
I struggled with this film because I feel like the real life story is very interesting, and the screenplay for this movie sort of refused to take a real prominent perspective on the tragedy. Therefore, it left me flat as I feel like I could have gotten the same emotional impact from reading the Wikipedia page. I think broad can be good but I think this film was too broad. I saw Ferrari the same night and felt much more compelled by the story because it felt like a screenplay was actually written rather than an adaptation of a Wikipedia page. I think this films broadness leans too close to a documentary almost rather than anything character or narrative driven. I think this might be why the film is being ignored awards wise.
The best shot at this getting nominated in SAG is Best Actor for Efron but don’t forget its chance in Best Ensemble. Since The Color Purple is not smashing right now, this could creep up there!
Notice in all of the scenes featuring Fritz, the characters talk about pro wrestling as if it's real and not an exhibition. There's only a few where it's addressed as a scripted artform--none of them with Fritz.
Almost commented about this. It’s Past Lives vs. Holdovers for the win, which I like better than Barbie being the runaway front runner. May December is getting in
@@seankoontz4235 Yeah. Anatomy and May December SHOULD join Holdovers and Past Lives. I suspect they both will. Maestro feels shaky to me here, though, even if it holds on in Picture.
@evienicks As far as this movie: Picture, Screenplay, Actor is a nice little package if this movie’s able to go that far (haven’t seen it yet, I want to)
I did not like it at all. It's a true story and all but it didn't have anything to say. More a cheap tearjerker than anything else and I thought the wrestling scenes were not well shot. It also left out a whole brother and that the parents separated (which was in the script). 2 out of 5. I watched Cassandro on Amazon Prime over the holidays. Well that is one wrestling biopic that I really enjoyed and Gael Garcia Bernal would get nominated in an ideal world.
This is a film for Film Twitter, not awards nor Oscars. Even American Sniper had a festival launch and showed up at Critics Choice and Phantom Thread was nominated everywhere for DDL from the get go.
@@manantial773Why are you lying? It was nominated for Best Actor at Globes and Critics Choice and then BAFTA and Oscars. Iron Claw has nothing anywhere so far.
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Kind of shocking this isn't an awards contender with how Oscary it is. Probably could've placed at TIFF if it had played there
It is a true mystery why A24 didn't launch it in a festival.
@@pb.j.1753apparently the film wasn’t ready yet and was still being worked on relatively close to its release
What if Zac Efron gets SAG? 🤔
This movie's too white for the Oscars. They should've made one of the Von Erichs bIack. Would've been an automatic Best Picture nominee.
it can always surprise on nomination morning especially cause it's so Oscary (true story, emotionall, transformation, crowd pleasing). If this was 2010 this would have gotten like 6 to 8 noms. Although it still can surprise like I said on nominations morning coming out of nowhere and grabbing some major noms.
I think for me the part that I appreciated most was that they didn’t go all out villainizing Fritz. He’s portrayed as awful for sure, but they really made it seem that depression and paranoia, and mental health overall, were the true culprits of what caused these tragedies. And that to me felt like such a fresh and smart choice.
This film absolutely should have been at TIFF.
It also absolutely is deserving of awards consideration and nominations. Especially Best Lead Actor and Best Picture.
The movie is doing so well at the box office.
I have a feeling this film will slip into the oscars last minute just like American sniper, and to leslie
Gotta love how people take To Leslie as an example like it didnt get in with a dirty campaign
@@pb.j.1753people liking it = dirty campaign😂
Hopefully. The competition is fierce this year though. Also Andrea Riseborough was amazing in "To Leslie" and deserved her nom.
@@jerooo159 people didn't like it, no one even saw it. 0 box office return and more audiences only saw it after it got nominated. the actress pushed celebrities to advertise and sing praises for it.
@@marcochen9117 box office isnt an indication of quality
yall need more cats on that couch. it would really help the reviews i swear.
Can we talk about how beautiful Harris dickison is. He has been picking great projects.he is the future. He deserves the same hype timothee chalamet and austin butler are getting
I haven’t seen this movie, but I feel that Chalamet and Butler have considerably more star presence. It seems that Dickinson’s standard role is someone somewhat redeemed or rescued from extreme shyness by their looks?
Harris Dickinson was in a film called "Scrapper" last year that was really good! He's a lot more silly in that role than he usually is. @@lorcan545
Honey, Chalamet has done Dune, Wonka, Bones and All, The King, The French Dispatch, Beautiful Boy and Call me by your name, to name a few, please, do not compare him to Butler or Dickinson, they are many leves beneath him.
Calm down lol...@@manantial773
The only thing that feels off is the exclusion of an entire brother from the family, especially when that brother also met a tragic end? Again films are not real life, especially biopics but because of this film’s subject matter it just feels like a giant omission?
Just got back from the theatre. Pop on academy conversations then straight to oscar expert and brother bro. One of the best movies of the year and A24 flopped what should've been a strong awards campaign.
i was SO excited to see this. everyone acts the hell out of this movie, especially the brothers, but the script falls so short for me. pacing was off, and i was super bothered by all the constant "exposition-ing" you guys pointed out.
also my brother and i both, independently of each other, thought that the actor playing the dad resembled the villain from avatar, in likeness, line delivery, and dialogue, so we just couldn't take him seriously lmao
I really gained a lot of respect for Zac Efron…as a kid I loved the high school musical films but in hindsight they’re not exactly the finest cinema out there lol and anyways I haven’t seen him in much since besides baywatch so I definitely had put him in a box but he was fantastic as Kevin. Would love to see some nominations for him
I adored the editing
personally, this is the film that has stuck with me. i saw it a few days ago and all i can think about is this film
Personally for me, I loved this film. I grew up a huge wrestling fan, but the Von Erichs were before my time.
I knew I was in for an emotional ride, but my God that ending had me sobbing. It's not perfect by any means, I definitely felt there was some pacing issues and some areas that should've been more fleshed out.
I still think The Wrestler is still the greatest sports film of all time, (yes even more than Raging Bull & Rocky,) but I absolutely adored this film. 8/10 for me.
Good film. That ending was a real tear-jerker. Zac Efron gave his career best performance !
Kerry Von was probably the least involved character in terms of knowing them
Lots of great performances this year.
I think the academy should expand the category slots from 5 to 6
Coming from someone who loves Sean Durkin and was a big fan of his last film The Nest, also someone who grew up a big wrestling fan, also someone who is a huge fan of the entire cast, it brings me no joy to say I was underwhelmed by the film. Felt the pacing was all over the place, and that the writing was more focused on events than characters. The only brother we get a chance to flesh out is Kevin, meanwhile every character speaks in stilted dialogue that makes the brothers feel more obligated to care for one another than genuinely caring. It was a weird and disappointing experience that's tough to explain, but was a 6/10 for me.
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Agreed
I kinda have to disagree on the pacing part, since we're watching this movie with Kevin's perspective, the deaths/tragedies happened almost spontaneously and it didn't gave us time to breathe because Kevin felt that way when he started losing his brothers, that everything went by him fast, that once you hold everything so dearly, that time stands still with the ones you love, can just be taken away in a flash, we're supposed to be feeling what Kevin's supposed to be feeling in those moments. And I guess that's my interpretation, but people can disagree and I wouldn't mind.
@@TNTGFX I get what you're saying. That in Kevin's head these tragedies all happened one after the other and its difficult to digest. But here's the thing, they didn't. (We are getting into spoilers here for anyone who hasn't seen, so watch the film before continuing to read.)
There were 3 years in between David and Mike's deaths. 6 years between Mike and Kerry's. Hell even the motorcycle accident for Kerry was two years after David's death, which the film made it seem happened the night of the funeral if I'm not mistaken. The tragedies that happened closest together (2 years) would probably be Kerry's death and the brother that wasn't even depicted, Chris. These are all creative choices by Durkin.
I agree, I think Durkin wanted it to feel like a snowball effect like you said. For me it came off much more like "a series of unfortunate events" instead of a character watching his family disintegrate before his eyes while he struggles to grapple with his ambitions wrestling, the thing tearing them apart. The problem with not giving us enough moments to breathe, especially with a character who isn't the most emotive like Kevin, is we can't see/connect with whatever he's going thru internally. He's the "pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep moving" guy. I would've enjoyed more moments with him and his wife. With him and his remaining brothers. Him and his mom. We get occasional glimpses, but in my opinion not enough to really flesh out the characters as well as I'd hoped. But when you have this "one right after another" approach to the plot (as tragic as it may be) with characters who frankly feel shallow and have wooden dialogue, it almost toes the line of falling into self-parody.
I have a friend who is in the academy and I talked up this movie big time. He says he's going to watch his screener. I actually think that the Pro Wrestling subject matter might be holding some film snobs back but once they see it, they will get it.
Poor him or her
I felt exactly the same way about the Mindhunter actor playing the father. His deliveries didnt feel natural. specially in that Gun gifting scene with Jeremy, the whole dialogue play felt off. Besides, the character was one note through n through
The Iron Claw takes place during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, The Great Kabuki, Bruiser Brody, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado.
I wish I liked the film as much as you guys did, but I just found it stilted and a little hollow. With each passing feature, I'm thinking Durkin may be a better director than he is screenwriter. The writing here is pretty on the nose. Some of that could have been saved if I felt emotionally invested, but unfortunately the tears did not jerk. Maybe if I had a brother 😭😭
They made Fritz a loving husband who didn't treat his wife like crap was a huge difference in the portrayal we usually get
Confident in saying it was my favorite movie I watched last year. I've been consistently disappointed for what feels like years now. I just enjoyed The Iron Claw. Not even going to bother with the whole "yeah it wasn't perfect" because I don't care. I enjoyed the experience and I will watch it again.
I really like the film. Unfortunately for me, prior to the movie. I read up about the whole story of this family. So some of the inaccuracy really bugged me. The omission of the youngest Chris von Erich especially. I completely understand why he didn’t include it. A film like this can only balance so much tragedy.
Oscar movies like Maestro and May December felt so fleeting, but man the Iron Claw is sticking with me!
Don't put may December in the same category with maestro. May December is good, maestro is BAD. Carey mulligan is the only good thing about maestro
@@singstreetcar5881 Maestro isn’t bad, it’s just your prejudice against Bradley…
@@gauravw6947 I think Maestro is bad and I never had nor just newly have any prejudice against Bradley. One can find Maestro is bad, it's not a big deal and not personal against Bradley.
@@singstreetcar5881no it s not. Bradley s performance was good, olso. And the cinematography...
@@pb.j.1753 Well, I didn’t talk about your prejudice here, have I?
I struggled with this film because I feel like the real life story is very interesting, and the screenplay for this movie sort of refused to take a real prominent perspective on the tragedy. Therefore, it left me flat as I feel like I could have gotten the same emotional impact from reading the Wikipedia page. I think broad can be good but I think this film was too broad. I saw Ferrari the same night and felt much more compelled by the story because it felt like a screenplay was actually written rather than an adaptation of a Wikipedia page. I think this films broadness leans too close to a documentary almost rather than anything character or narrative driven. I think this might be why the film is being ignored awards wise.
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Oscar Nod yes!
The best shot at this getting nominated in SAG is Best Actor for Efron but don’t forget its chance in Best Ensemble. Since The Color Purple is not smashing right now, this could creep up there!
How is Color Purple not smashing
@@pb.j.1753 Box Office and Other Awards (as of now)
I would be shocked if Color Purple wasn’t nominated for SAG ensemble
Does YOUR DAD like to see you compete like race horses, too?!😅
Notice in all of the scenes featuring Fritz, the characters talk about pro wrestling as if it's real and not an exhibition. There's only a few where it's addressed as a scripted artform--none of them with Fritz.
good observation!
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Well, Barbie just cleared a little room for a spoiler nom in Original. I could see it w/Picture, even w/o Efron
Almost commented about this. It’s Past Lives vs. Holdovers for the win, which I like better than Barbie being the runaway front runner. May December is getting in
@@seankoontz4235 Yeah. Anatomy and May December SHOULD join Holdovers and Past Lives. I suspect they both will. Maestro feels shaky to me here, though, even if it holds on in Picture.
@evienicks As far as this movie: Picture, Screenplay, Actor is a nice little package if this movie’s able to go that far (haven’t seen it yet, I want to)
As a longtime wrestling fan, the movie to me was good but not great.
I did not like it at all. It's a true story and all but it didn't have anything to say. More a cheap tearjerker than anything else and I thought the wrestling scenes were not well shot. It also left out a whole brother and that the parents separated (which was in the script). 2 out of 5.
I watched Cassandro on Amazon Prime over the holidays. Well that is one wrestling biopic that I really enjoyed and Gael Garcia Bernal would get nominated in an ideal world.
Hello Kitty!
Óscar for zac efron
Zac and Jeremy are so hot !!!
So this is poor man's Warrior, isn't it?
No
Not really, this is more stylistic & I loved Warrior
To me it’s undoubtedly the best of the year. I think to me it might be the best movie since marriage story. But that might be too high praise
This is a film for Film Twitter, not awards nor Oscars. Even American Sniper had a festival launch and showed up at Critics Choice and Phantom Thread was nominated everywhere for DDL from the get go.
Lies. Phantom Tread was snubbed across the board, do your homework.
@@manantial773Why are you lying? It was nominated for Best Actor at Globes and Critics Choice and then BAFTA and Oscars. Iron Claw has nothing anywhere so far.
@manantial773 Sounds like you’re the one who needs to do your homework 🤣
Many thanks to OE, BB and sleepy kitty. 🤼♂ Kudos to writer/director Sean Durkin.