Could Apaches & Warthogs Win The 1940 Battle Of Dunkirk At Night? (WarGames 38a) | DCS
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Valuable point! LOL
Awesome. Oh by the way add some m1a s and they will win any where
@@EddieA907 I'd love to see a "Final Countdown" type of movie with Abrams tanks taking on the WW2 German armored divisions. I picture it as a man with a sledgehammer taking on an army of snails crawling on the sidewalk.
I just watched binkov's battleground it prompted the comment . His past battle re do' s are entertaining.
That was 101 kills from a handful of Apaches and a single A10, performing a single sortie, with a few of the Apaches being relatively ineffectual for various reasons. If you had full squadrons of both flying and used the option to RTB and rearm, that would be mass carnage. If you staggered flights so that there was always someone over target, all night long, the German forces would be wrecked...even if the kill count wasn't high enough to make a significant dent in the numbers, the psychological impact would be devastating. If the A10 was using different munitions--something to do mass damage instead of pinpoint strikes like the Maverick--and flying with NVGs so they weren't reliant on someone else to light up their targets, or using Apaches to knock out a single tank and leave the rest for an air strike, you'd really be chewing up the German forces.
Then multiply that by the three nights the Germans were ordered to wait. Although I think those orders would change really fast after the first night.
But, yes, I think a squadron each of Apache and Warthog in full combat operations would turn the tide. They probably wouldn't win, outright, because that's a huge force to try and wipe out in one night. But they could have broken the German operations to the point that the Allied forces on the field could have carried the battle.
Agree. We can't forget the losses recorded by the enemy were still significant based on only the ground forces. The multiplying effect of reduced armour, moral, change of tactics required to deal with the night attacks etc. would have made the allied forces ground units more effective.
Don't forget the fact that nights are long and a second or third attack could be done in a single night.
Yeah I couldn't even begin to imagine the psychological damage of watching entire columns of tanks being deleted in an instant would have
"Armor" is relative. A Panzer 4 would only have about 40mm of armor on the sides and 15-20mm on the roof, so your chain gun would punch through easily since it's basically armored like an APC today. Then again DCS doesn't really use the advanced physics for tanks as it does for planes....
I don't mind some night time missions. It provides some variety to the gameplay we are viewing and tracers/explosions and such are pretty spectacular at night. It would be great if you could get someone in GR to spectate (when Cap is flying) so that we can get some great outside-the-cockpit shots.
That guy that had to say hello to Cortana
I felt a chill down my spine ha ha ha
Imagine how devastating dusk to dawn Apache raids/strikes would be :)
Hey, GR, I like wargames and all, but I think some of the best videos was the campaign-esque series on Taiwan, I think it would be cool if you did that again with Japan vs Russia. That way, you could have many different maps to simulate different scenarios (like a Japanese strike on Vladivostok, Japanese invasion of Kuril Islands, defense of Japanese mainland/Okinawa, open ocean fleet brawl, and so on)
I think Winwing asked him to stop that one.
@@trottheblackdog Oh, I guess they are just not ok with tense situations in general, that's too bad.
Agree the multiple-day campaigns are the best. However, they should only post the first day on youtube and the rest on Rumble. I work in online marketing for a living.
@@coreymoyers5771 Oooh... Enticement...
Say, I haven't checked out their Rumble yet. Do they have anything exclusive there?
@@totalnerd5674 Not yet. However, they will if they are smart. Currently, they only have 13 videos.
Not night vision, it was an IR Spotlight and would look like a big spotlight in a modern night vision scope.
Even in the late '80s, the night vision available to pilots (in the Marine Corps, at any rate) was, according to a friend who flew a CH-53, like looking through two cardboard tubes from rolls of toilet paper. No peripheral vision. There was one really bad midair on 10/25/1988 when I was stationed at MCAS Yuma, AZ - a CH-46 and a Huey collided, and a total of ten people were killed.
Yes, it would have had a huge effect on morale, both enemy and allied. The attack would have undoubtedly saved allied lives as well. Wouldn't have changed the ultimate result of the battle, Dunkirk still would have been lost, but I doubt that the Nazi's would have attacked the next day, they'd be trying to figure out wtf just happened to a hundred of their tanks. Removing that much heavy armor would have meant that the attacking units would be easier to take out due to that lack of armor and armor support.
I vote for Simba being forced to take navigation lessons.
Let's not forget that Cap nearly flew off the map a couple of vids back. It happens to the best . Simba was just flanking them, hoping that they would surrender .
I thought of a good mission to emulate. The raid on Gaddafi palace in the 80’s. It was a night mission too.
Cortana's voice is so clear and precise, you listen to her, she probably gives great presentations
If you listen to her give briefings (like when they do SAM site penetration missions) or watch some of their submarine missions, you can tell she's also super smart.
And if you watch her fly, she may be the best pilot in Grim Reapers. And if not, she's close.
Also, she spells her name with a K (Kortana).
@@Kaelland thanks for the info, cool to know
Honestly Should have just loaded the Apaches with the Laser Guided Hydra 70 rockets. Nothing in the German Arsenal in 1940 could defeat a hyrdra 70 pentration. Then you 76 Rockets per Apache vs 16 Hellfire's which are overkill. The 30mm should have had no issues with penetration either on any german tank availible. The real Apache can also carry a pair of AIM-9X sidewinders on the wing tips which would deal with the Aircraft you didn't model.
They had AA meant to shoot down aircraft that flew faster and higher than helicopters... This notion they wouldnt be engaged is silly. Heck, Taliban fighters with a PKM have forced Apache to RTB. Then you have the interceptors of the time. While AIM might shoot down a few of them, depending on how they hit considering aluminum fighters with jet engines are more vulnerable to random damage, there would just be too many, I think.
The A-10 can shoot down low flying aircraft as well with its 30mm cannon. A-10s shot down Iraqi helicopters in the gulf war it would be possible for a skilled A-10 plot to do the same to a Heinkel bomber.
ED won't be adding APKWS to the apache sadly. Additionally this is the US apache so no sidewinders either. Also the gun is essentially just HE so it won't pen even WW2 German armor.
@@joshuaortiz2031 Go ahead, take 5x guys in BF109 vs 1x A10. See how it goes. Do you think operating in theater is like Warthunder arcade. You just press reload to gain ammo back. You think the Germans would send a 1on1 when they were clearly getting hit by some "magic weapon" system they didnt know about.
@@Lobos222 I was talking about downing the Heinkel bombers the Germans were using in Dunkirk. Those planes are bigger and slower targets then the BF109. I dont play warthunder or world of tanks or world of warships or any of those games not that I am putting them down but they are just that, video games with little realism. I was in the military service I did nine years in the Army and the National guard and i come from a military family that fought in every american war since world war one so you dont have to lecture me. I had an uncle that was an AC130 spectre gunship pilot and then flew the KC130 tankers he knew a lot about planes. This is a ridiculous thing to argue about anyway since time travel doesnt exist.
Good lord. I didn't realize the losses sustained by the French and English. I couldn't imagine being a commanding general and getting the report, we lost 10 thousand troops and 10s of thousands of vehicles. That was seriously a different generation of people. They never gave up.
And lost basically every Bren gun in the country.
That's British losses old boy. The English only made up part of our forces.
One of the greatest defeats in history. And the worst part is it easily could have been worse but hitler decided to wait 3 days.
Y’all forgot the play “Flight of the Valkyries” during the assault
What Cap said: Don't fire on anything within 7 miles of the center of Dunkirk.
What Simba heard: Don't fly within 70 miles of the center of Dunkirk.
I can already hear the Sabaton song describing what it was like for the panzer crews trying to go to sleep and suddenly hearing that whispering death return on night 2. chills. In all seriousness tho, if you have 500 targets, 3 nights and can kill 100 per night, by night 3 instead of retreating, allied forces could've gone on the offensive and pushed Jerry back.
They probably would have started retreating if they heard that whispering noise return on night 2 lol
@@JackThelRipper Valid point lol
Great video! Love these night missions
Good vid GR!
Enjoyed it very much.
I love these re-enactments, although the one thing that can’t be (currently) modeled is the psychological affect that even one helicopter would have. Even the sound would be foreign to the opfor. The disarray would be very, very high.
Cap flies that AH-64 like it's an airplane! lol
Damn I love Kortanas voice. Beautiful voice.
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Keep up the excellent content
101 kills in the first night (NIGHT 1 OF 3) is very impressive. Can we PLEASE have a day 2. I mean if the Germans held off attacking Dunkirk for three days and nights the least the Reapers could do is reduce the numbers. I now have to wonder if the Reapers conducted a day and night mission on day two and another day and night mission on day three if the Germans would have any Tanks or Infantry remaining.
In addition, I want to thank each and every one who participated in this mission and video. It was great and I hope to see more. THANKS AGAIN.
Does The AC-130 Gunship have night vision? Just felt like that was the only thing missing from this bad ass attack!😁✌
Ac130's almost exclusively operate at night so yes, they have night optics.
@@92HazelMocha lol I meant in DCS? My bad wasn't clear on that. I'm asking bc I kno In Game AC-130 is a bit strange to use and don't recall ever seeing a DCS Vid with AC-130 using night vision
@@92HazelMocha fun fact both The AH-64 Apache and AC-130J have Laser Weapons mounted on them
@@Anarchy_420 In DCS the AC130 mod doesn't have a gunners sight of any kind, let alone one with night optics. As far as HELWS goes, while the apache test was a big milestone, we're along way off from it being useful kit, especially for AC130's or Ah64's as their primary mission set is ground attack, not engaging drones or guided munitions.
This does look a lot like Gunship 2000 on Amiga.
On a technical note I dunno if it's in DCS but I am pretty sure you can ripple fire the hellfires if you have multiple targets, just space them out by 5 seconds.
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IIRC, the reason Hitler ordered a halt is because the panzers had outrun thier supply lines. At that point in time, the majority of the Wermacht's logistics was based on horse drawn carts.
Cap, I like to set up my left TSD to video the tads gun sight. That way I can see exactly what the gunner can see including gunner symbology
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101 kills would've prolonged the conflict, possibly allowing for further reinforcements, but 101 kills alone probably not going to change the outcome.
It isn't really about the specific number of kills, it's all about the ratio. For example, there were only a few Apache's here and an A-10 pilot would have night vision goggles if not IR from the latest sensor pack on current A-10's. The DCS A-10's just aren't modeled to include the present day electronic package and other improvements made via new variants, including this Apache too. So, they destroyed 20% of the smaller representation of enemy forces. If it's extrapolated for additional Apache's and additional enemies per Apache, then 20% (plus many other casualties) from this night offensive would have had a significant impact on their encirclement of Dunkirk and hesitation from their commanders. Just trying to help, but that's my understanding of what this video implies.
@@jamison884 Yes, but the Germans already outnumbered the Allies 2 to 1 @ Dunkirk & the operation was meant to be a fighting retreat; never meant to be a dig-in and make our last stand type of thing. 20% is significant damage to be sure, and it would have delayed the German advance, but the Allies had already decided to evacuate no matter what.
The Germans had lost 100 tanks in the battle irl and had 800,000 men encircling the port. Sure they could have splashed basically all of the panzers but the BEF would still have had to evacuate.
I think German WW2 AAA would be very effective against Apaches at night using their spotlights. They could target bomber formations and contemporary fighters I don't think Apaches would be much of a problem. As mentioned they wouldn't have that stuff at the front lines of an offensive...but I'd love to see the Reapers have a go at German night flak and spotlights (which are in DCS?). Maybe an Apache night raid against a German airbase/city?
Apaches would definitely have an advantage with being able to fly much lower than fixed wing aircraft and target the AAA guns from further out than the WWII planes. And the advantage of advanced night vision would make spotting the AAA guns much easier.
AAA during WW2 used fused shells that had to be fused for different altitudes. They’re also usually pointed at the sky to hit bombers. It would take time to refuse shells, retrain the AAA guns and spot them. In their gulf storm configuration from the early 90’s AH64 could easily fly low altitude, pop top laser a target and launch a hellfire missile from 5 miles away, hit their target and then drop back down below the horizon line and reposition. Destroy anti air in this method and then wrap up tanks and infantry with rocket and 20mm auto cannon fire.
True the Apaches have many advantages with their technology and tactics, but that doesn't make them invulnerable. The Germans didn't just use flak they also had auto canon AAA. Yes the Apaches can fly very low and pop up and all that...but no one is going to fly perfectly, have perfect situational awareness etc. My suggestion is to see exactly how effective the Apaches would be against WW2 German AAA...I don't expect that AAA to easily defeat the Apaches but it does still present a challenge and I would like to see how the Reapers handle it. We saw Apaches get shot down during this very mission. Granted, the enemy should not have been able to spot them at night, but the point is even old technology can be very dangerous. Its true that the Apaches can target AAA from a distance but are they going to know exactly where it all is? Might they stray into an area where some is still active? If their primary target is say, German aircraft parked on the runway/fuel tanks, are they going to have enough ordinance to destroy all the AAA in the way AND take out the primary target? I think a lot of things could happen in such a scenario...would love to see how it played out.
@@christophero55 your also down playing the presence of an A-10 in this scenario. Germany during WW2 had no radar systems, no as missiles, A-10 Thunderbolts are equipped with night vision and a wide range of air to ground weaponry. Spot lights aren’t going to be able to track a low flying fast moving aircraft like this and with 2000lb, 500lb bombs , rockets, not to mention that 30mm Gau on the front it’s more deadly at attacking ground targets than anything Germany faced.
@@christophero55 Real world tactics would have had the choppers standing off a little more. The Germans would have fired but would have been firing blind for the most part.
Fantastic mission! Night life wow. And you're right, enemy morale would be compromised, but I feel it wouldn't slow the Axis down. If anything, it would speed up Axis encirclement, to 'hug' the Allies, as Axis forces rush towards their wounded, knowing full well, Allied ground forces have their backs to the sea.
So perhaps a replay with the following changes, please?
Do not go to Dunkirk (Waypoint 2). Meet & greet not required. The enemy is in a crescent formation, with two tips jutting out on either side. Please hit one of the tips and follow "through" the crescent shape. Choose one will do- Either from Calais or De Panne. Less IFF problems. Concentration of force. And you will 'relieve' the pressure off Allied ground defenders flank (either left/right), compounding an "orderly" retreat.
The team purposefully flies CAS platforms, excellent choice. Cut Axis armour, artillery, trucks, and legs. Buy Allied ground forces time. Prioritise the situation they are presently in.
Mind you, the plan of "fanning out" from the middle, to engage the enemy, isn't bad- No, Sir.. But if Allied ground forces had their rear to the sea, they'd take comfort knowing that at least 1 flank is clear of Axis, thanks to CAS.
Great content and what a fab team, more please. Cheers.
WRT thermal imagers - you might find switching to black-hot gives a more "natural" image.
If we're in grayscale it makes more sense, and it'd help if DCS modeled IR properly (thermal crossover, proper material returns). DCS doesn't do it quite well.
@@WyvernFalken Yeah. My experience is of the TICM imagers of the type used in the older AV8 NAVFLIR.
I worked for the company that made them.
@@No1sonuk Nice. FMV analyst on the Predators/Reapers, and a few manned assets.
Can we get AD-1/AD-4 Skyraiders VS Dunkirk?
Skyraider’s as you probably already know Cap are one of the most successful CAS planes of all time and were used extensively in Vietnam.
Easily one of the most successful prop planes of all time.
During a large scale war what you have is what the enemy will have, if you sent a ton of Apaches to WW2 it's very likely that Germany would have captured one or would have at least found a counter
And this is why no matter how advanced the machines of war get, the new weapons and countermeasures tend to cancel each other out until the humble footsoldier is left as the only decisive implement of war.
There is ZERO chance that Germany or most other nations at the time would be able to reverse engineer an Apache within the time frame ww2 lasted.
@@Lobos222 lol yeah they would probably surrender the moment they take a good luck inside a downed Apache and realized they were fighting an enemy that was half a century more advanced.
Its a PC game, not Back To The Future.
@@Lobos222 exactly. You can't reverse engenier Mikrochips in the timeframe of 1935 to 1945. Try it yourself with things from a household tool box. they didn't have more then. it was all analog and purely mechanical. We mustn't forget today's microchips are made in the nanometer range.
It's beautiful cap, apache is my baby.
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You should do the "Final Countdown" ending that should have been. This was fun to watch, gj
The British guy doesn't bring up the Amiga, which was super popular in the UK. His street cred just took a hit.
Can a 1940's Pazer really shoot and hit an AH-64 from 2 miles?? In the dark? Even their night vision couldn't spot a helicopter from that distance. Seems only by luck would such a thing happen.
Good video. It would have affected their morale but, it also could motivate soon of them for pay back. The A-10 should have had cluster bomb and targeting pod, it would have taken out more armor with one bomb. I think you should try it again. 80% is still combat ready if you're going to wipe out the the enemy, they had armor on their side.
The enemy still have the allid ground forces to contend with as well. 20% enemy losses would have definitely increased survivability of those ally ground forces during evacuation.
The Germans had 800,000 men in the region, sure you could splash all the tanks but the infantry still would have had the enemy overwhelmed.
Have you guys and girls ever done a version of operation sky shield and operation sky shield 2. Great work as ever by the way 👍
looks like comanche old school chopper sim.
As suggested, a devastating effect. Looking at the night vision it would have been possible to selectively eradicate artillery, command positions, PIIIs and PIVs, also to use the gunships' sensor arrays to spot for land based artillery. That effectively means the Germans wouldn't have been able to have any rest at all within miles of the front line, given that their lead elements had been running on little sleep and rest the casualties, CnC degradation and destruction of primary equipment would have turned the tide.
This is inaccurate, because the panzers did not have 75 long barreled guns in 1940, they had those only years later. Because i can see their muzzle
They also shoot at 2nm which is about 4km, far far beyond the range of any WW2 tank.
the 30 mm chain guns on both the apache and the warthog are made to kill armor. could have got more
Had you run into Flakpanzers I suspect there would have been more ground to air opposition, Kar 98’s don’t come with a “shoot down an Apache” button.
Does... the trigger count?
jk, I know 7.92 is highly unlikely to down an AH-64, but still it's worth a lol
Would definitely have taken a lot of pressure off the defenders, slowed the Germans, reduced British and French casualties and allowed more time for more people to be evacuated. Would absolutely make a huge difference, with repeated sorties.
I've not searched the GR database, but have you done any scenarios involving India?
Since it gained its independence in 1947, it has waged four wars intermittently by the 1970s against Pakistan (Indo-Pakistani Wars) and China (the India-China War).
This could be a good infantry ground mission to explore within DCS or other games regarding high altitude warfare.
I still recall writing a war game on my first computer using basic, it looked just like this. Friends still wanted a copy though.
Next: Could a farmer from the 1950's, armed with a double-barreled shot gun topple then entire Roman empire?
Great one, all! BTW, it's "Allied" Cap.
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Does anybody remember the original arcade game Battlezone? 1980 I spent all the money I could aquire to play that game. It was the first of the 3-D graphic war games ever.
6:30 Not sure, but my guess would be that it was some form of near-IR spotlight and optics that were sensitive to near-IR. The US Army had a similar system for the M3 carbine, introduced near the end of the war and used on Okinawa.
I was watching an ah 64 DCS video the other day, I think it was side winder but maybe not. Anyway, they did a setting for the vision stuff and they had a much better set up, so while I accept that you don’t know how to do it yet, there is a way to get good night vision overlayed with good tactical info. You’re right to complain about the version you’re flying, but there is better available. Ask around.
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I think it would have had a huge psychological effect for sure.
wouldn't rockets be more efficient than the hellfires?
Hellfires give better standoff than rockets (11km for Hellfires versus 4 to 8 km max effective range for rockets, depending on type).
Add to that the fact that most rockets are unguided (although there are laser guided rockets IRL, but they don't appear to be modeled in DCS and available for the Apache, though).
Plus, a lot of rockets, especially a lot of the smaller rockets like the Hydra may not have the oomph to penetrate thicker armor such as what's found on a tank, especially the front of a tank where the armor is the thickest and angled to help deflect incoming rounds. Hydra rockets are designed more for lightly armored or unarmored vehicles and anti-personnel functions.
Plus, it can be hard to fire rockets with a really high degree of accuracy. But Hellfires are laser guided, so as long as you're holding your laser on target and you're in range, they're almost guaranteed to hit (laser code conflicts notwithstanding).
Now, IF you could guarantee something close to 100% accuracy with Hydra rockets while maintaining standoff distance, and IF you could guarantee kills with 4 hits or less, then yes, they would probably be a better choice. Each LAU-61 pod carries 19 rockets, and each Apache can carry 4 pods. If you could get that 1-hit kill on a tank with them, you could potentially rack up 76 kills per gunship. Even if it took 4 hits, you'd be looking at a potential of 19 kills per helicopter.
As soon as you need a 5th hit to get a kill, though, you're dropping yourself to 15 potential kills per airframe, at which point, you're better off carrying a full load of 16 Hellfires.
I just ran a simulation with 3 AI driven Apaches each carrying 4 LAU-61 pods and set them on 5 WWII era Panzer tanks in DCS. Every one of them fired salvos of 16 rockets, missed with every salvo until they got close, got shot up with the MGs mounted on the German tanks, kept firing 16-shot salvos, and eventually killed the tanks. Interestingly enough, the kills were scored after landing two or three rockets on each tank.
So yes, it might be a viable strategy if you can get high enough accuracy with your rockets. But the way the AI does it, even at Ace skill level, is trash.
@@Kaelland i did not realize that rockets were that short range.
that being said the effective range of the 88 against air at that time was roughly 8km, im not sure what the next step down was for the germans but the brit 40mm pom pom (which should be pretty close to any 40 mm AA they had at the time) had an effective range of just under 4km and the 2cm flak only had an effective range of 2.2km
as for armor penetration, the pz3 had at best 60mm or armor but probably only 30mm, and the pz4 only had 20mm at best, at the time
this is 1940. the bar is pretty low and we are throwing weapon systems that are almost 40 years more advanced then them at them and doing it at night.
Mind your pop up to missile kill. Use ground and surroundings to sound mask and forests to sit behind up just come up enough to see the target then boom boom time. This was a fun watch and Cap didnt plant it in the deck on take off. Big 👍🏻 from me
Can you imagine what a regular soldier in the 1940's would have felt in his heart after hearing a single burst of a GAU-8? Especially at night?? They would think that the heavens had opened up and God was raining fire down on them. They wouldn't be far off from that though
Evidently you're not using Hellfire II - they are fire and forget and will track moving targets, no need to wait for them to stop.
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Wouldn't the Apache's chain gun be able to kill a WW2 tank ?
No. It doesn't use any type of armor piercing rounds, it's primarily an area of effect weapon used agaisnt dismounted infantry and light vehicles.
@@92HazelMocha thanks for the clarification :)
Given that the axis was not fielding any armored vehicles that would require a hellfire for a kill, the apaches would have been better equipped with as many 2.75 inch rockets as they could carry.
Hover symbology would've helped. Weapons constraints envelope can be resistant to firing if the missiles are not "in the fan", so to speak. Also, did someone have lights on (not talking about formation lights- they aren't visible from the ground)? The Wehremacht didnt have radar sighted guns, so they shouldn't have been able to fire effectively at you guys.
Cap i can give you infor on the 2003 apache situation in bagdad. very interesting
Since the Apache’s were the weapon of choice, the Hogs ought to have gone after the Luftwaffe on the ground with CBU’s.
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A more realistic aircraft than the A-10 to use back then (with short unimproved runways) would've been the AV-8B Harrier
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I still have my ZX81, that is only Black and White.
There was also a major air battle during that battle
Imagine being the bad guys and there tanks are just blowing up on their own. L.O.L.!!!! that would be terrifying.
9:26: Then clear it up (the lag) by shooting them down- PW NPC pilot, "Cold War"
Weak link, formation flight to target area. Due to limits of vision, best formation would be in trail with each unit behind and slightly higher then the in front. Also when in the target area, lead slows down, #2 goes right, #3 goes left and so on for the whole formation until they form line abreast, then they can all move forward and sweep the area covering then largest space. Deconflicts flight paths and weapons. Increase safety and killing power.
Then you do a victory roll and Christopher Plummer still yells at you.
The intellectual property value of these machines and their weaponry would turn the war. Assuming you had the US parent companies allowed to inspect their future products after Sworn to secrecy. The Gloster Meteor was only a few years away and easily redesigned to fill an A-10 role akin to the RAAF using them in ground attack in Korea. At least half of these machines could be kept running until they ran out of consumables but at least contemporary ammo and fuel could be upgraded to suit. By the time there are no longer enough combat effective aircraft the technological leapfrog would more than hand the Allies an advantage.
Kinda reminded me of lhx attack chopper and microprose dogfight
Old games, ... do you remember Battle Tanks?
Is the shrapnel from the 30mm actually modeled? It looks like the infantry just walks off what should be certain death.
well theirs the 2cm flack 38 that was in service at the time but may or may not have been able to be deployed in a way that would be a threat and the dreaded 88 or was also in service but im not sure if they put much effort into using it as an mobile AA weapon at that time yet. everything else is probably too old/rare/small/slow to be a threat.
I think it’s time to upgrade the optics of the AH-64 & AH-1 to the same helmet tech as the F-22 & 35. Many damn good chopper pilots are dismissed for AH because of that monocle.
This is exactly like a 1980's video game. I had game like this.
simba is like Zoro on one piece
"Dos on 8bit" - Uhh, that's 256 colors. 4 colours was back in the 2 bit days
Reminds me of playing on the Atari!
Definitely looks like an 80's game. Things were a little further along in the 90's.
Work from far to near with HF to avoid white out with sensor..
Looks like you are playing Team Apache.
7:30 with regard to German night vision, Germany had this weird habit of (in hindsight) concentrating on the wrong things to develop/build pre-war & during the war, such as:
Rocket & jet fighters (MEs 163 & 262, Arado, Horton, etc)
Automatic rifles (developed slowly, buit a "few" but could've done a lot better)
Submarines (they had them, but they could've had a lot more of them, & developed/built faster)
Night-vision/radar
Redo this, please - but, If you add RTB/refuel/refit till dead. Give them a beach head forward operating base that requires defending. If you redo the scenario, but more "desert storm" style use of assets... 😅😅❤❤❤