Expert Answers Google's Most Popular Questions About The Titanic
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- We've asked one of the world's leading experts on the RMS Titanic, Tim Maltin to answer the most googled questions about the sinking of the ship on 15 April 1912.
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00:00 Introduction
00:33 Was the Titanic real?
01:09 Was the Titanic built in Belfast or Liverpool?
01:58 Was the Titanic the largest ship ever built?
02:53 Was the Titanic unsinkable?
04:34 How many passengers were on the Titanic?
05:25 Why were people traveling on the Titanic?
07:10 Were Jack and Rose real people?
08:11 Why was the Titanic going so fast?
10:42 Why didn't the Titanic lookouts have binoculars?
13:18 Could the Titanic have stayed afloat?
14:35 Did nearby ships think the distress flares were fireworks?
19:53 Did the Titanic split in half?
20:57 How quickly did the Titanic sink?
21:57 Did the Titanic musicians continue to play?
23:07 Did the crew of Titanic lock the passengers below deck?
25:33 Why didn't the Titanic have enough lifeboats?
27:23 Did the Titanic have a women and children first policy?
28:46 Why were the Titanic lifeboats not full?
31:07 How many people died on the Titanic?
31:43 Did they die of hypothermia or drowning?
32:50 Did the Titanic captain go down with the ship?
34:46 Could Jack have fit on the door?
35:45 How were the survivors of the Titanic treated?
37:09 More Google Questions!
I'd like to say, I was really impressed listening to him. He had a really good way of communicating his answers and even things that would be so obvious to someone with his expertise he was able to get across in a way that wasn't condescending or like he was speaking down.
For example, when he clarified the term "stern."
The perfect kind of attitude to explain something. Really great to listen to.
Shame half the stuff he said was absolute rubbish and not true at all…
@@peggbegg oh?
@@combatwombat2134 far too much to go into. But so many inaccuracies in just about every answer he gives.
I agree, a shame that some of his answers were not exact, like the parto with the binoculars, yes true most what he says, but look outs were not expecting to be given binoculars, binoculars were for the exclusive use of the officers, like he points out, hte lookouts job was to alert to anything they might spot in the way, then the officers would slow and take binoculars to try to identify the object ahead. That was the common practice in most ships of the time.
@@peggbegg you can’t just say he’s incorrect and then not give any examples
Ok, who asked if the titanic was "real"? What has happened to this world? 😂😂😂
But isn't Google the best way, these days to find out if a story is "real"?? I was born in the 80s so I know it's real now, since there was so much information about it, when the film came out but If you were born in the 2000s, I reckon it's a valid thing to Google.
@@donrennis7585I distinctly recall people in school being dumbfounded when told the ship and her story wasn't just a movie when the movie came out... It just floored me (I had loved shipwrecks since I was a kid. My parents bought me the National Geographics when Dr. Ballard discovered her, and I was thrilled as a tiny nerd).
I mean, everyone learns something at some point. There will be a bunch of kids/teens over the years who watch the film and then wonder. To be honest, I wonder how many would know an awful lot about the Titanic during this generation had the movie not been such a hit.
Probably someone young, who watched the film for the first time.
Cellphones. They make people stupid.
Jack Thayer is one of my favorite passengers. His account of the sinking is incredible, especially since I believe he was 17 at the time. His story is very sad, he was considered an adult in those times so he was not allowed on a lifeboat and he lost his father and his friend in the sinking. The way he described losing his father in a crowd as the last time he ever saw him was chilling. When him and his friend Milton Long (they had met aboard the ship but they were together for the entire night of the sinking) had finally decided to get off the ship, Milton slid down the side of the ship right before Jack jumped but he most likely got sucked under and Jack was able to get farther away from the ship and climb onto the overturned Collapsible B lifeboat with Officer Lightoller, Archibald Gracie, Harold Bride, and others and had to stay balanced for hours with all of the other men on the boat before being moved to Lifeboat 12 prior to being rescued. Years later he ended up losing his son in WWII and the next year, on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, his mother died. All of these tragedies combined obviously took a huge toll on him and few months later he committed suicide. His life must have been so painful and his story is so tragic beginning at such a young age. I hope you are resting in peace, Jack Thayer ❤❤
Oh how tragic. The toll of going through so much must've been unbearable.
I heard that the reason the Titanic was sailing so fast was because the stokers were racing against a fire in one of the coal bunkers, and this fire contributed to the ship sinking.
@@liamhillman8486 the fire was actually contained within a few days of sailing! It actually probably helped because they shoveled all of the excess coal to the other side of the ship to keep it away from feeding the fire, which caused the ship to list slightly so when it hit the iceberg it hit the other side and balanced out the ship. If the fire didn’t happen, they would have kept the coal spread out evenly and when the ship hit the iceberg it would have listed more to one side and less people would have been able to escape. Since it sunk on an even keel it was stable enough that people were still able to get to the deck and they were still able to launch lifeboats. When the Lusitania sank, it listed so far over that when they tried to launch the lifeboats they just scraped against the side of the ship and dumped the passengers into the sea. It also made it so they the passengers that were trapped below were unable to use the stairs. Sobering things to think about. It’s hard to think of the passengers on the Titanic as being lucky but the fact that the ship sunk so evenly meant that they had more time to evacuate and in turn more people were able to get to the boat deck and onto lifeboats or, in the case of Collapsible B, were able to jump into the water and swim to the lifeboat where they were then rescued in the morning. I just think it’s fascinating that there are so many factors during the night that change the course of events. Without that fire we might have lost even more people!
Your stories are fascinating! Thank you so much for sharing.
Best comment ever. Thank you for the second history lesson. I'm going to research Jack now.
When “spoilers” popped up when he says “no,because she did sink”.. I got a chuckle out of that 😂
what a stupid question tho.
This is not my friend, Mike Brady.
Funny stuff 😂
I was just thinking that! I feel like I’m cheating watching this!
First question: "Was the Titanic real?"
My friend Mike Brady wouldn't tolerate this silliness.
@@icalloutbs5441 indeed what are these stupid questions?!
Haha, I love Mike, I follow his channel
Drives me crazy how people go on about the door in the movie. Even James Cameron said it was a panel and that yes, Jack would fit on it, but practicality would have killed both him and Rose as they would have both been submerged in water due to their weight. Also, the point of the movie was that Jack sacrificed his life for Rose, and his influence of meeting him onboard gave her the courage to live her life to the fullest. That’s why you see the portraits of her at the end. Jack was always meant to die, so Rose could live.
I thought it was a headboard. It drives me NUTS when people say it was a door. And I always understood that Jack STAYED off the board on purpose, to save Rose. You can see him nod, confirming to himself that he has committed to that decision and sacrifice.
he did - you're right
And people got so worked up about it! Like yeah, hypothermic terrified people in freezing water definitely have the energy to play with physics and probability, “you sit here and I’ll try this, no okay, I go there and you scoot over oh no no nvm let me try this”! More than they did. Plus, lol, it wasn’t real. I mean, it’s representative of what some people had to go through but literally not Rose and Jack then and like that.
@@Stitchwitchstitch actually plenty of people tried to do what jack and rose did. Someone was found floating on debris
They even show him trying to get on and the board starts to tip.
Get a life it's a movie FFS 😂
Take a drink every time he starts an answer with “Well …. “
i grew up in edinburgh scotland. down the street from a lady who survived the sinking with her mother !!!!
Imagine being a lobster in a tank onboard the titanic about to be cooked then it sinks and youre free
To sink slowly to the bottom where your shell is crushed like an eggshell.
@@robertstallard7836 sounds kinda hot
@@Bugman541 Sounds kinda cool. 28°F or -2°C cool, in fact!
Did the lobster start singing ?
Ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm an American living in the Republic of Ireland. Belfast, in Northern Ireland, has a wonderful Titanic museum.
It is more than about the ship.
Really touching.
One of the best museums I've visited!
Yes that was a highlight of my trip to Ireland! Such a beautiful museum
Anyone else super hyped for this because of an UNHEALTHY obsession with the Titanic and everything dealing with it as a child?
(That still lingers well into adulthood but it’s easier to hide until the topic comes up)
0 degrees C is the freezing point of fresh water. Salt water freezes at a lower temperature-that's why the oceans freeze at the poles.
8:24 When he talks about the "Greyhounds of the Atlantic" The Lusitania and the Mauritania, the picture they used for "Lusitania" is actually the Olympic. You can even clearly see "Olympic" Written on the bow.
This so called expert got a million things wrong in this video
And the photo labelled "Britannic" is also Olympic (showing the damage from the Hawke collision)
I heard also that the reason the name of the tugboat in the photo was scratched out was because that was NOT the tug that attended the Titanic & it could be checked.
@@rameyzamora1018correct, it's footage of the Olympic, but in the 1910s when the had no known footage of the Titanic (There is one piece of footage of the Titanic) they used footage of Olympic in New York instead and scratched the names of the tugs because the port of registry is New York
Funnily enough, Lusitania *is* in the full photo of Olympic they used. She’s off Olympics stern at the Cunard pier, but it’s cropped off here. That’s probably why this photo came up when whoever they had editing search for photos.
If you have a look at the NYT report of the sinking and then go in a few pages more, you'll see an advertisement for tickets on the return trip to Southampton
The women and children thing comes from the HMS Birkenhead. Otherwise known as the Birkenhead drill. It was later decided that separating families and leaving a bunch of widows and possibly orphans on their own might not be the best plan after all.
35:46 I have a quite distant relevative who survived the sinking, he said they gave him cold coffee. He was one of the people who managed to get onto of collapsible B, which had washed overboard and had flipped over and around 27 men climbed aboard and that was near waist deep in water.
It’s not about the door/wood paneling size for him to fit, it’s about buoyancy. Had he got on, they both would have been in the water. It’s like two full sized people on one wooden surf board that’s only 6 feet long. Tried it and failed with my brother. Mythbusters also tested it out. They both would have been in the freezing water.
I mean that's what he said.
He literally said that they wouldn't fall off but it would make them both be in contact with the water
Yeah, I've heard it explained like that before. By the guy. In the video. That you just tried to correct.
He could never have survived..it wasn't written that way
Absolutely insane that there were ever people who didn't understand that
This will be pure gold for the youtube titanic community to react to. Oh boy....
Was The Titanic real?
Was The Titanic unsinkable?. Two of the most bloody stupid questions that could’ve been asked
First thing I get, I mean, half of DiCaprio moves are based on real events, you could ask were the Candy plantation or Manson ranch real.
I don't think the first is a stupid question for people who only know about it from the movie.
@cinissanguis6836 history is important to prevent future mistakes. Sadly it's not being fully taught
I don’t think the second one is stupid. There’s a common misconception that Titanic was advertised as “unsinkable”
@@MCO18The question wasn’t’Was The Titanic ADVERTISED as unsinkable’,the question was ‘Was The Titanic unsinkable?’. Seeing as it has resided 2 miles down at the bottom of The Atlantic for the last 112 Years,I’d say that it undoubtedly was pretty fucking sinkable
I've never considered it before, but imagine being an officer like Murdoch, thinking you had done your duty for the most part and most of the women and children were off the ship, and then suddenly hundreds of people come up from third class after you've already launched most of the boats. Chilling.
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I was raised in a city that has a lot of titanic victims buried, and of the tombstones says J Dawson. It gets a lot of flowers each year
Halifax. Endured its own tragedy a few years later.
Hello, fellow Haligonian!
His name was Joseph Dawson iirc, he was one of the trimmers.
I could listen to Tim Maltin talking about the Titanic for hours.
You really shouldn't. If you care about history.
@Darilon12 that makes no sense.
@@anandmorris his statements are filled with inaccuracies and mistakes. He seems to be two decades out of date when it comes to Titanic research. If you want details... This comment section is full of people pointing that out.
@@anandmorris and please stop liking your own comment. That's just sad.
@@Darilon12 i haven't. That would be weird.
There were no locked metal gates between second and third class on the Titanic. It was against British Board of Trade rules to lock in passengers. That said, there were closed doors and unmarked crew passages that Third class could have gone through but did not know about. There were no directions to the boat deck, (a long trip through a maze from D, E and F decks to the boat deck), emergency exits were not marked, there were language barriers and there was no public address system. Third Class generally stayed where they were waiting for instructions from the crew which were slow in coming.
Fascinating insight dispelling many of the truths we have held in the since the sinking of the Titanic. Brilliant, thank you
8:23 that ain't lusitania, that's Olympic
Exactly!
I can see why the editor got confused as in the original photo, in the background, you can spot Lusitania lurking :)
@@OceanlinerDesigns Hey, It's my friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs!
Will never get over the 2 hour uni lecture about the titanic taught by a lecturer who knew nothing about the titanic. His recommended books were all coffee table books like "101 things about the titanic" etc. He asked why there werent enough lifeboats, i said one of the reasons was the regulations at the time. He just outright said no thats not it... 😶
I once had a tour guide - a TOUR GUIDE - tell me that the Hoover Dam was named after the director of the FBI. I was itching to tell him that it was really named after the inventor of the vacuum cleaner, but my wife quelled me. 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118I think both are wrong, it’s named after former president Herbert Hoover, not J Edgar Hoover (FBI founder) or William Henry Hoover / his son Herbert William Hoover (who bought the vacuum patent from the actual inventor James Murray Spangler, the cousin of William Hoover’s wife)
@@rebmichelle Yes, that was my point. That a tour guide got it wrong. The vacuum thing was a joke. 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118 Ohhh gotcha, my bad. I bet they would've believed you if you'd said it was actually the vacuum guy instead then though LMAO
@@rebmichelle No worries. It was ironic that I (a New Zealander) was correcting an American tour guide about American history. Another woman on the tour (a Canadian) said "yeah, I think Andrew's right". 🙂
The thing that always sticks in my mind about the Titanic is the fact that most people wouldn't have ever heard of it if she had not sunk. Other than the ships mentioned in this video, can you name a single other ship great from that time. There were definitely other ships.
I can name Lusitania. Ehm... For similar reasons. 😅
But in the last few weeks I've been kinda obsessed with oceanliners. So yeah, I could name a few. Tho I get your point; most can't.
Nother better than a teacher (or specialist) who can tell a compelling story.
References Olympic's collision and shows a picture of the damage done to Olympic, labels it as Britanic
I really enjoyed the nuanced answers and explanations. Everything i was taught and shown as a kid demonized the crew things like locking up 3rd class not launching all the life boats etc. Its nice to hear actually there was a lot of thought and care put into trying to do right by everyone as best they could in such a terrible situation
I had the same takeaway, everyone was more competent and reasonable in his telling than in others’. Hindsight being 20/20.
Excited to see History Hit making content like this
Starboard is to the right and port is to the left, and backing is ordered similarly, methinks.
Excellent information and replaces much that I had wrong and adds even more truths I had not known.
Slight error at 3:21. That's the RMS Olympic.
Another error at 7:47. Jack Thayer didn't draw those. He told someone, Skidmore, on Carpathia what he saw, and Skidmore drew it. Jack Thayer did not agree with the bow slipping upwards in the drawing.
Yet another error at 8:22. That's the RMS Olympic on the left where it says RMS Lusitania.
Error again at 13:41. Smashing into the iceberg would have caused ALOT of damage. She is going 21 knots.
Fr. 21 knots to 0 in a second would have popped every rivet on that ship and thrown everyone and everything 21 knots foward.
@@ExcavationNationit wouldn’t have done that much damage
@@iforgot428 we actually don't know the answer. Considering the ship was not designed to hit something with that much mass.
I'm sure somewhere a computer could probably do a simulation and solve this question.
@@ExcavationNation I think that it would have done damage but it wouldn’t pop every rivet on the ship
Additional fun Titanic fact about Captain Turner ( of the Lustiania). As he was a respected Liner Captain, who was in New York anyway, he was requested to give evidence at a legal hearing assessing Insurance liabilities in the Titanic disaster. This was the day before he sailed on the doomed journey. One of the questions put to him was about the requirement of Captains to stay with the ship. He told the court that, should he ever be in that situation, he would be exiting the ship at the first opportunity. He kept his word.
I hate how people believe dieing on a ship was part of the job description.
@@missyouwish88yeah it’s ridiculous. if anything, it’s ideal that captains and officers try to survive as they would be best positioned to give crucial testimony at any inquiries.
@missyouwish88 part of it is that it’s kind of a cultural thing then- the British officer/upper classes and the sense of honor… also a sense of “if I live, they’re going to absolutely vilify me” and also the shame- he knew his reputation was done and that’s what mattered then, to those with money and status. There was talk that he was being put out to pasture, and it wasn’t that he’d worked his time but that he was getting sort of forced into retirement because of drama or scandal.
@@Stitchwitchstitch That is an excellent point about Smith's careet would have been over. Something not mentioned in the video is that whern he skippered "Olympic" on her maiden voyage, he got pranged by a Royal Navy warship. The wave created by the massive vessel sucked it into ramming Olympic (hence the photo with the masive hole) It then sank a U.S tug on arrival at New York. That was mildly embarassing for him and expensive for White Star. When he took Titanic out, he had a similar issue and only escaped prnaging Titanic by coolly learning from the previous years's fiasco. With the great and the godd of High Society and White Star on ooard on both occassion, we can imagne that Smith was not in a good place mentally as his crew fought a coal bunker fire. He then forgot about a message warning him of the ice field.
Captain Smith said if he were on a sinking ship he'd go down with it.
The image with the big hole is not The Britannic. That was the Olympic.
Nobody said it was. It was just an example
The image showed it as the Britannic@@MrChristopher
Yep - I saw that, and it made me question how much stock I should put in anything that this guy was saying if they made such a basic mistake.
My great-grandfather, at the age of 17, was an apprentice painter and decorator on the Titanic.
A few corrections; you showed a pic of the Olympic after her collision with the Hawke, but label it as "Britannic", Titanic's rooms weren't 'switched around' she literally had two parlour suites constructed upfront on her B deck, whereas this area was an open promenade on Olympic, thereby increasing Titanic's gross tonnage considerably over Olympic's, the picture labeled "Lusitania" is actually the Olympic, the propeller picture shown is of the Olympic, not Titanic and the difference in speed between the Mauretania class and Olympic class wasn't because of propeller count but because of the power plants in both ship classes - the Mauretania class had high-pressure Parsons turbine engines and the Olympic class ships settled for the slower but tried and true dual-reciprocating engines, though they were coupled with a low-pressure Parsons turbine which was powered by runoff steam from the two main engines and drove the centre prop.
Titanic was NOT racing Olympic - they were simply keeping track of the ships' performance. She wasn't going faster - Titanic's service speed was 21 knots, not 22, as was Olympic's. She was only doing 21 when she struck the iceberg.
She sank in 2hrs 40mins, not 2hrs 20mins.
While the point about binoculars not helping that evening is correct, there's another reason, the coldwater mirage that evening.
It's a myth that Titanic ran around on the iceberg - there is no grounding damage anywhere on the shell plating and we've already identified the iceberg damage under the mud thanks to sonar imaging - it's just 6 small slits in the steel plating along the hull flank at the starboard bow.
The ice field was North of Titanic, not ahead of her.
Alexander Carlisle designed Titanic (and Olympic), Thomas Andrews just oversaw the finishing of the project.
Again, she took 2hrs 40mins to sink, not 2hrs 20mins. The confusion may be because the ship sank at 2:20AM.
not to mention another reason why the Olympic clas wasnt as fast, was because like you pointed out, the engines used(were more established, and economical) and the tonnage, the Olympic class, was if I'm not mistaken, like 10 or 15k tons heavier than the Lusitania or mauretania, and the Olympic class engines HP output was lower than the Engines on the Lusitania and mauretania, that if I'm not wrong I thing they were 1 turbine per propeler(same goes for Titanic) and since the Olympic class was designed with luxury and confort in mind, and not speed... well they were bigger, heavier and had less powerfull engines than the competition.
Also your chance of survival in third class wasn’t far greater, way more third class passengers died.
@@mounirnajja5079 I believe he's talking the number of survivors. The relative percentage of 3rd class survivors is lower, but there were so many more people in 3rd class that the overall number of survivors was higher than 2nd class
@@pc_buildyb0i935 Indeed, I believe the original statement could be misinterpreted as suggesting that third-class passengers had a higher chance of survival, which certainly wasn't the case.
Thank you so much. I learned a lot. Very interesting.
My guy took his valuables to his grave after completing his commission. And they sell it for 1 mill, legit grave robbery.
I really do appreciate this channel. Quality work.
Very proud to say I am from Dalbeattie in Scotland, the hometown of Murdoch. In the town museum there is a large section dedicated to him. After the release of the film the Murdoch family objected to his portrayal as it damaged his character. Film execs came to Scotland, apologised and donated £5000 to the museum but James Cameron never actually apologised.
This was great.
The commentator referred to Jack Thayer several times. What he did not mention was that Jack Thayer did survive the sinking of the Titanic.
He did. He mentioned Thayer made a drawing (which was half true; Thayer didn't draw it, but he described the scene to someone who made the drawing based on that)
We needed oceanlinerdesigns to do this
The best to listen too!!
Alexander Carlisle was the designer of the Olympic class. But left Harland and Wolff after disagreements with his brother in law, lord Pirrie. Andrews inherited the completion of the ships.
Even though a documentary does show a disagreement between Pirrie and Carlisle, they actually parted amicably and Carlisle simply retired.
Thoroughly enjoyed watching this 👍
This was wonderful!
I thought the story of Captain Smith saving a baby had been dismissed as a myth.
That's my understanding as well, that this never actually happened. Seems a bit farfetched in the first place.
7:54 actually bob ballard didn't discover the titanic in 2 pieces, he first discovered boilers on the sea floor, which would INDICATE the ship was in 2 pieces, then he found the bow, the stern wasn't discovered til 10 months later
That's what he meant. It's just oversimplified.
Not quite. They discovered boilers, then found the bow section. If I recall, the stern was found during a review of their ANGUS footage, where it turned up in their shots.
Really impressive. There's nothing more intriguing and inspiring than an expert who is passionate and articulate in discussing their field.
He seems passionate for sure and explains some things well, but the number of things he states which are incorrect is a great shame.
Just saw a short doco on the Carpathia, which is an interesting part of the story.
Kinda sad that she ended up sinking herself. Damn those U-boats!
@@missyouwish88 True. I didn't know that before.
@@andrewstevenson118Just like sharing the knowledge.
Fun Fact: Bob Ballard found her remains, too.
@@missyouwish88 Oh, is that right? He's a pretty cool dude. The Lusitania is a good (and tragic) story too. I have a big book on it, called "Wilful Moider" [sic]
Absolutely fascinating and fantastic presentation, I learned more new things than I ecpected! Such energy too.
David Blair was not fired by Smith. He was removed from the Titanic roster by White Star Line (quite a common practise) & placed on another ship. He continued to serve WSL, later even alongside Titanic's surviving officer Lightoller. And yes, there were indeed plenty of binoculars on Titanic that night, if they'd needed some, they'd gotten them easily.
I think he probably means he was fired from his position on titanic only, a term used slightly different to these days
I'd love to have this expert Tim back sometime! What a great explainer, teacher etc whilst being entertaining. I loved that he added more details.
What an absolutely FANTASTIC video! Very informative, very clear and free of fake news. Awesome!
That was excellent, thank you!
I went to the Titanic grave site in Halifax Nova Scotia, there is indeed a grave marked J Dawson, I poured out some coffee for him
How did he draw the ship breaking in half then?
@@margo3367It’s not him. It was a coincidence that there is a grave with the same name.
I used to live in Fairview, near that cemetery. The grave is for a Joseph Dawson. He was a stoker in one of the boiler rooms. Originally from Dublin. James Cameron was unaware of his existence and the name similarity is entirely coincidence. Interestingly Dawson was buried in the Anglican/Protestant Fairview Lawn Cemetery, while most Catholics were buried in Halifax's Mount Olivet Cemetery. His religion was likely unknown when his body was recovered by the Mackay Bennett
Thanks Tim 👍
Great episode, thank you. I have a question: How many people died shortly after they were recused (pneumonia etc)?
As far as I'm aware all passengers taken aboard Carpathia survived the trip to New York. Some developed long term health complications from which they never recovered. Such as Archibald Gracie who died 8 months after the sinking, just after finishing one of the first books about the sinking. Several people died in the lifeboats during the night,. Particularly aboard the swamped collapsible A, and the overturned Collapsible B.
@@RyanE8787Exactly. Turns out standing overnight in -2°C/29°F water isn't good for anybody, let alone Gracie's diabetes
I think 1/2 people died after going in the boat
The point about how some of the people in the water could have been warmed up again is tragic but even if the crew had known that they probably still wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the ones who could and couldn't be revived. And just filling up with random people wouldn't have been a good tactic. They had to prioritise people who were still conscious and obviously saveable. Then again, it does put an extra sting in Jack’s fate. Maybe he was still alive as Rose watched him sink. 😮
Delightful, thank you.
Internet search seems to conclude it would take weeks if not months to go completely white from trauma. I looked it up as overnight seemed biologically impossible. One source claimed the captains relative claimed it took 6 months.
That was such a strange comment. Hair can't go white overnight; the hair that's already grown can't change color no mantter how much stress you're under. Perhaps he meant that after that night, his new hair all grew in white, which indeed would take weeks to notice.
@@getgot7461 I agree. This is likely what he meant.
Lol I didn't think he meant it literally
It's unlikely the Californian would have reached the Titanic in time to have any effect on the number of survivors. It took them almost 4 hours to get there the next morning, in daylight. Even if they had steamed as quickly as possible they likely wouldn't have arrived until just after the stern sank, and too late to rescue anyone in the water. The Californian incident did however highlight the need for 24-hour wireless operation and standardization of distress signals.
Well, I’m pretty sure they could have helped since they saw the distress flares in the sky - which means that they were pretty close to Titanic actually
@@whillard2447 the Californian was a very small ship. They could hold maybe another 100 people. Which would have been helpful but there still would’ve been 1400 people needing rescue.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 I doubt they'd have even rescued that many. In 1941 it took HMS Dorsetshire an hour to rescue 85 survivors from Bismarck. They were healthy young men, in relatively warm water, in daylight.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 Yet much smaller vessels, not designed to accommodate large numbers, were able to lift 800+ people in a single lift from Dunkirk in 1940. I refer you to any of the destroyers used there.
He is wrong that third class passengers had a better chance of surviving. 78% of third class passengers died. 58% of second class passengers died. Because there were so many more people in third class, the total number of who survived in third class was greater than the total number of people who survived in second class, namely 172 versus 111. But that is not relevant. What is relevant is the percentage, and this guy seems to be ignorant of basic mathematics.
Also, the claim that someone's hair can turn gray overnight is false. The hair that has already grown out will not change overnight. This guy knows a lot, but he also makes some big errors.
I'm way too superstitious. I feel like calling a ship "unsinkable" is a mockery to the Gods of the ocean!
Question: with the amount of icebergs in the water and the miles-long sheet of solid ice only 3 miles away from the Titanic, was it inevitable that they were going to hit something that night? What would have happened if they'd have hit the solid sheet of ice?
Great listen
Excellent account, very clear and easy to follow, thank you
This was fantastic.
Great video. However, when you show a picture of the 'Lusitania', that is actually a picture of one of the olympic lines. The actual olympic if I'm not mistaken.
It was the R.M.S. Olympic, yes
Practicably? I had to Google that word as I thought he made it up 😂🙄
how cool it is to dedicate your life to know so much about the Titanic! Such an impressive video.
I'm so proud to say I'm from Burnley which is the town tied to Wallace Hartley's birth town of Colne just down the road. His legacy is greatly celebrated in the town of Colne with memorials and even a Wetherspoons named after him (Even though he wasn't a drinker!) 2 years ago, the town hosted a beautiful memorial service outside the titanic statue with a live orchestral band playing songs of the era and the greatest local historian Simon Entwistle telling us stories of Titanic and Wallace Hartley. If History Hit ever wanted to pop over, my door is opened to you for a brew and to talk about all this Wallace Hartley :D
Its such a chain of unfortunate incidents. So many points of split decision... what if...what if...
Hindsight and context can cause such a turmoil in people, no matter what topic is being discussed. This is the first time I've seen and heard someone actually take both into the account and delivering a sobering and realistic depiction of how and why the Titanic sinking was amplifyed by the societal, economical and cultural norms of the time. Mr.Tim Moulton portrayed quite a different story than what is widely accepted as the story of the Titanic. I hope this gets views from millions upon millions of people.
There was a J Dawson on Titanc - Joesph Dawson who worked in the engine room and went down with the ship.
Titanic sank 2 hours and 40 minutes after hitting the iceberg. Hit iceberg at 11:40 PM, sank at 2:20 AM
When you come to Belfast, you notice straight away that this city built the Titanic. Cause it's 2024 and they still pride themselves on a 112 year old maiden voyage shipwreck.
Hey, she was alright when she left there
It's refreshing to not hear someone rant about how horrible terrible awful no-good very, very bad CPT Lorde and the crew of the Californian for once. It's awesome to hear someone explain why deciding to not hazard your own vessel when you don't know what's where is a perfectly reasonable call to make. I get so tired of everyone deciding they were evil yeah.
Lorde and the Californian get an unfortunate rap. It really wasn't their fault, and their engines were stopped for the night. It'd have taken some two and a half hours to get the steam pressure needed for driving the ship to Titanic, and another hour or so to reach her. She'd have arrived maybe a moment or two before Carpathia, so really it wouldn't have impacted the death toll.
That might be the case, but Captain Lorde also fudged his nautical records the morning after the Titanic sank so that it would appear that he was too far away to help, even though he was within ten miles of the disaster.
@@katherinemurphy2762 The Californian was indeed 16nm away, but it's not that they were too far, they had stopped their engines for the night.
Reciprocating steam engines like the ones in the Californian required a minimum of 2hrs 30mins to build up the pressure to get the crankshaft going, let alone the amount of time it would take them to reach Titanic.
They would have just made it a little earlier than Carpathia, that's it. They wouldn't have been able to save anybody other than those in the lifeboats
@@pc_buildyb0i935 That might be the case, but Captain Lorde, upon hearing reports of his officers of distress rockets, didn't bother to have his wireless operator awoken to find out any other information.
Amazing.
I've never heard of Jack Dawson being based on Jack Thayer. Jack Thayer was first class so had nothing in common with the fictional Jack Dawson other than the same first name
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That doesn’t mean he wasn’t apart of the amalgamation he said “based” not “literally”
@@ashleecooks1572 But how can it be "based", when other than they were both young men named Jack, they absolutely had nothing else in common.
@@samkelomambisa1897 that’s part of it I think also when Jack was given that suit by Molly brown when he had dinner with roses’ family that was an element being explored also the fact that the real Jack survived was the basis in which fake Jack made it all the way up to the precipice of survival but ultimately did a noble thing a “first class” thing and gave the space to a “3rd class” person incapable of helping herself …rose. The art of story telling is a storied thing.
Very informative
There’s a few inaccurate statements here. The one that got me the most was the claim about Britannic being originally called Gigantic, it’s only believed by some people. However WSL denied this, and there are records dating back to 1911 where the ship was always called Britannic. There’s absolutely no evidence that the ship was going to be named Gigantic
Jack would have fitted on the door easy if Rose hadn't LEFT THE LIFEBOAT AND GOT BACK ON THE SHIP!!! Then the door only would have had to support him and they would have met on the Carpathia in a few hours. Given the fact that she DID insist on abandoning a perfectly good lifeboat seat to take up precious door space later, why didn't Jack have the sense to work with her to tear off one of the doors that were nearby when they met on the staircase and haul it up to the deck. They had some time to choose a large door and they could have positioned themselves on it, floating away on it when the ship disappeared below them.
At 3:25 whilst talking about the watertight compartments, a photo is displayed of a ship with a gaping hole in the bow with the caption "RMS Britannic". This is incorrect as the picture is actually showing the RMS Olympic after it had collided with HMS Hawke in 1911
They couldn't really photograph Titanic after she sunk,but well spotted.
I was just going to comment this
@@pheart2381what?
@@pheart2381That has nothing to do with the point being made. They mislabelled the ship in the image.
there were extremely few.photos taken on board the Titanic prior to that voyage. That's more than likely the reason for the mislabeling of those photos
Isn'T the pic at 3:25 the Olympic? From the collision with the HMS Hawke?
I'm not dreaming, he actually answered the question asking if Titanic is real.
Regarding some emptier lifeboats, it was said that some of the earlier ones were launched prematurely because few believed at the time that the ship would sink. Was there any truth to that claim?
Very interesting video, some info I didn't know, thank you
Titanic taught us that their is no such thing as unsinkable ship
I got choked up SEEING Wally’s violin. He got to PLAY it.
8:24 - That's Olympic, not Lusitania
3:31 hey you know that ship that’s famous for sinking , is it unsinkable? 😂😂. Great question
I'm gonna use this video as a heavy piece of wood itself against anyone who argues with me about the 'door' thing. It isn't a question of whether he could FIT, but rather if it would remain stable and safe for both of them if Jack did get on. The answer has obviously always been, at least to me, a big fat NO.
Fascinating
If my memory serves me correctly, Captain Smith was also in charge of Olympic when the ship collided with HMS Hawke and tore a gash in her hull & damaged a propeller shaft which, subsequently, delayed Titanic's departure date so Olympic, already in service, could be repaired and set back out to sea. Also, as far as I remember, going back to my school days, Titanic almost collided with the SS New York when leaving Southampton due to the huge wash & suction created by these huge Olympic class liners. I could be wrong!
You are correct. Titanic had a near collision with the New York in Southampton.
Belfast, Northern Ireland
Take a sip every time he says "Well..." 😂
Lightoller was amazing in his presence of mind. A real gutsy fellow with balls. He knew if he went back the boat would be swamped. He waited until people "thinned out". I couldnt have done that. What a decision to have to make at such a moment.
Do you mean Lowe, the Fifth Officer? He was the only guy to go back.
Lightoller was on the overturned Collapsible and in no position to go anywhere willingly. His presence of mind might also be questioned by the fact that he lowered half empty boats (if even) with only women and children, and that he opened a giant door in the front of the ship. Honestly, the more I read about him, the less I like him.
@@535phobos no,I meant Lightoller. I just cross-checked to make sure I got the right person.
@@pheart2381 Lightoller spent most of the night on the capsized collapsible boat B. He was busy not falling in the water, he did not row back. Lowe in Boat 14 was the only one to return after giving some of his boats passengers to other boats.
@@535phobosDon't forget he also gunned down a tone of German soldiers who'd already surrendered and were unarmed in WWI!
At 14:19, he got his port and starboard reversed. Starboard is right, and port is left.