I'd like to say, I was really impressed listening to him. He had a really good way of communicating his answers and even things that would be so obvious to someone with his expertise he was able to get across in a way that wasn't condescending or like he was speaking down. For example, when he clarified the term "stern." The perfect kind of attitude to explain something. Really great to listen to.
I agree, a shame that some of his answers were not exact, like the parto with the binoculars, yes true most what he says, but look outs were not expecting to be given binoculars, binoculars were for the exclusive use of the officers, like he points out, hte lookouts job was to alert to anything they might spot in the way, then the officers would slow and take binoculars to try to identify the object ahead. That was the common practice in most ships of the time.
I think the reason for the question was because of the conspiracy that it wasn't the Titanic that sank, but another ship. But the "spoiler warning" was still really funny.
I'm an American living in the Republic of Ireland. Belfast, in Northern Ireland, has a wonderful Titanic museum. It is more than about the ship. Really touching.
They really messed up with their 'replica' of the Grand Staircase though. It isn't accurate at all and looks bad, you'd think they would have stayed true to blueprints for the sake of accuracy.
Jack Thayer is one of my favorite passengers. His account of the sinking is incredible, especially since I believe he was 17 at the time. His story is very sad, he was considered an adult in those times so he was not allowed on a lifeboat and he lost his father and his friend in the sinking. The way he described losing his father in a crowd as the last time he ever saw him was chilling. When him and his friend Milton Long (they had met aboard the ship but they were together for the entire night of the sinking) had finally decided to get off the ship, Milton slid down the side of the ship right before Jack jumped but he most likely got sucked under and Jack was able to get farther away from the ship and climb onto the overturned Collapsible B lifeboat with Officer Lightoller, Archibald Gracie, Harold Bride, and others and had to stay balanced for hours with all of the other men on the boat before being moved to Lifeboat 12 prior to being rescued. Years later he ended up losing his son in WWII and the next year, on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, his mother died. All of these tragedies combined obviously took a huge toll on him and few months later he committed suicide. His life must have been so painful and his story is so tragic beginning at such a young age. I hope you are resting in peace, Jack Thayer ❤❤
I heard that the reason the Titanic was sailing so fast was because the stokers were racing against a fire in one of the coal bunkers, and this fire contributed to the ship sinking.
@@liamhillman8486 the fire was actually contained within a few days of sailing! It actually probably helped because they shoveled all of the excess coal to the other side of the ship to keep it away from feeding the fire, which caused the ship to list slightly so when it hit the iceberg it hit the other side and balanced out the ship. If the fire didn’t happen, they would have kept the coal spread out evenly and when the ship hit the iceberg it would have listed more to one side and less people would have been able to escape. Since it sunk on an even keel it was stable enough that people were still able to get to the deck and they were still able to launch lifeboats. When the Lusitania sank, it listed so far over that when they tried to launch the lifeboats they just scraped against the side of the ship and dumped the passengers into the sea. It also made it so they the passengers that were trapped below were unable to use the stairs. Sobering things to think about. It’s hard to think of the passengers on the Titanic as being lucky but the fact that the ship sunk so evenly meant that they had more time to evacuate and in turn more people were able to get to the boat deck and onto lifeboats or, in the case of Collapsible B, were able to jump into the water and swim to the lifeboat where they were then rescued in the morning. I just think it’s fascinating that there are so many factors during the night that change the course of events. Without that fire we might have lost even more people!
I thought it was a headboard. It drives me NUTS when people say it was a door. And I always understood that Jack STAYED off the board on purpose, to save Rose. You can see him nod, confirming to himself that he has committed to that decision and sacrifice.
And people got so worked up about it! Like yeah, hypothermic terrified people in freezing water definitely have the energy to play with physics and probability, “you sit here and I’ll try this, no okay, I go there and you scoot over oh no no nvm let me try this”! More than they did. Plus, lol, it wasn’t real. I mean, it’s representative of what some people had to go through but literally not Rose and Jack then and like that.
I've never considered it before, but imagine being an officer like Murdoch, thinking you had done your duty for the most part and most of the women and children were off the ship, and then suddenly hundreds of people come up from third class after you've already launched most of the boats. Chilling.
Nevermind that. Lightollers policy of women and children only was essentially murder. He threatened passengers with a gun and ordered a man off of a lifeboat into the freezing water -that wasn't even full to begin with. How did he survive? On a lifeboat of course. I'm addition, in his book he wrote about "not going for any of that surrendering malarkey" as he also served in WW1. Practically admitting to murdering surrendering soldiers and thus committing war crimes. This pos is widely celebrated as a hero and I cannot understand why he isn't outed by historians as the turd that he was
8:24 When he talks about the "Greyhounds of the Atlantic" The Lusitania and the Mauritania, the picture they used for "Lusitania" is actually the Olympic. You can even clearly see "Olympic" Written on the bow.
I heard also that the reason the name of the tugboat in the photo was scratched out was because that was NOT the tug that attended the Titanic & it could be checked.
@@rameyzamora1018correct, it's footage of the Olympic, but in the 1910s when the had no known footage of the Titanic (There is one piece of footage of the Titanic) they used footage of Olympic in New York instead and scratched the names of the tugs because the port of registry is New York
Funnily enough, Lusitania *is* in the full photo of Olympic they used. She’s off Olympics stern at the Cunard pier, but it’s cropped off here. That’s probably why this photo came up when whoever they had editing search for photos.
The women and children thing comes from the HMS Birkenhead. Otherwise known as the Birkenhead drill. It was later decided that separating families and leaving a bunch of widows and possibly orphans on their own might not be the best plan after all.
Drives me crazy how people go on about the door in the movie. Even James Cameron said it was a panel and that yes, Jack would fit on it, but practicality would have killed both him and Rose as they would have both been submerged in water due to their weight. Also, the point of the movie was that Jack sacrificed his life for Rose, and his influence of meeting him onboard gave her the courage to live her life to the fullest. That’s why you see the portraits of her at the end. Jack was always meant to die, so Rose could live.
Ok. Rose was wearing a life jacket. If the panel held her weight the life jacket underneath the panel would of held them both up. So jack shouldnt of died. He got his arm hacked at by a rubber axe earlier so maybe they were not thinking straight
Apparently there was supposed to be a scene where he tried to get onto the panel, showing that it couldn't support both of them. But, it was ultimately cut from the final edit.
@@anandmorris his statements are filled with inaccuracies and mistakes. He seems to be two decades out of date when it comes to Titanic research. If you want details... This comment section is full of people pointing that out.
This expert answers questions about the Titanic in a way that gets the info into my brain better than some documentaries. Maybe the world still needs experts that aren't AI generated afterall.
Please ignore his assessment of Captain Smith, as he told ridiculous fantasies long since debunked on him! Swimming around rescuing babies?!? Stuff and nonsense!
If you have a look at the NYT report of the sinking and then go in a few pages more, you'll see an advertisement for tickets on the return trip to Southampton
35:46 I have a quite distant relevative who survived the sinking, he said they gave him cold coffee. He was one of the people who managed to get onto of collapsible B, which had washed overboard and had flipped over and around 27 men climbed aboard and that was near waist deep in water.
Hello, Titanic enthusiast here! What was your relatives name? I have yet to meet anyone in person (and even online) who was related to a survivor, so I would love to learn his story if you’d be willing to give his name. Even just hearing his bit about the cold coffee intrigues me to learn more about his personal experience
Hindsight and context can cause such a turmoil in people, no matter what topic is being discussed. This is the first time I've seen and heard someone actually take both into the account and delivering a sobering and realistic depiction of how and why the Titanic sinking was amplifyed by the societal, economical and cultural norms of the time. Mr.Tim Moulton portrayed quite a different story than what is widely accepted as the story of the Titanic. I hope this gets views from millions upon millions of people.
But isn't Google the best way, these days to find out if a story is "real"?? I was born in the 80s so I know it's real now, since there was so much information about it, when the film came out but If you were born in the 2000s, I reckon it's a valid thing to Google.
@@donrennis7585I distinctly recall people in school being dumbfounded when told the ship and her story wasn't just a movie when the movie came out... It just floored me (I had loved shipwrecks since I was a kid. My parents bought me the National Geographics when Dr. Ballard discovered her, and I was thrilled as a tiny nerd).
I mean, everyone learns something at some point. There will be a bunch of kids/teens over the years who watch the film and then wonder. To be honest, I wonder how many would know an awful lot about the Titanic during this generation had the movie not been such a hit.
Anyone else super hyped for this because of an UNHEALTHY obsession with the Titanic and everything dealing with it as a child? (That still lingers well into adulthood but it’s easier to hide until the topic comes up)
so funny you posted this comment! i was obsessed when i was little, i painted like 10 pictures of the boat and gave them to my teachers. heartbreaking movie
It’s not about the door/wood paneling size for him to fit, it’s about buoyancy. Had he got on, they both would have been in the water. It’s like two full sized people on one wooden surf board that’s only 6 feet long. Tried it and failed with my brother. Mythbusters also tested it out. They both would have been in the freezing water.
Lightoller was amazing in his presence of mind. A real gutsy fellow with balls. He knew if he went back the boat would be swamped. He waited until people "thinned out". I couldnt have done that. What a decision to have to make at such a moment.
Do you mean Lowe, the Fifth Officer? He was the only guy to go back. Lightoller was on the overturned Collapsible and in no position to go anywhere willingly. His presence of mind might also be questioned by the fact that he lowered half empty boats (if even) with only women and children, and that he opened a giant door in the front of the ship. Honestly, the more I read about him, the less I like him.
@@pheart2381 Lightoller spent most of the night on the capsized collapsible boat B. He was busy not falling in the water, he did not row back. Lowe in Boat 14 was the only one to return after giving some of his boats passengers to other boats.
@@pheart2381if you are actually thinking of Lightoller for this, then whatever information you found about him is incorrect and I’d cast it out of your mind asap.
Starboard is to the right and port is to the left, and backing is ordered similarly, methinks. Excellent information and replaces much that I had wrong and adds even more truths I had not known.
Will never get over the 2 hour uni lecture about the titanic taught by a lecturer who knew nothing about the titanic. His recommended books were all coffee table books like "101 things about the titanic" etc. He asked why there werent enough lifeboats, i said one of the reasons was the regulations at the time. He just outright said no thats not it... 😶
I once had a tour guide - a TOUR GUIDE - tell me that the Hoover Dam was named after the director of the FBI. I was itching to tell him that it was really named after the inventor of the vacuum cleaner, but my wife quelled me. 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118I think both are wrong, it’s named after former president Herbert Hoover, not J Edgar Hoover (FBI founder) or William Henry Hoover / his son Herbert William Hoover (who bought the vacuum patent from the actual inventor James Murray Spangler, the cousin of William Hoover’s wife)
@@rebmichelle No worries. It was ironic that I (a New Zealander) was correcting an American tour guide about American history. Another woman on the tour (a Canadian) said "yeah, I think Andrew's right". 🙂
Question: with the amount of icebergs in the water and the miles-long sheet of solid ice only 3 miles away from the Titanic, was it inevitable that they were going to hit something that night? What would have happened if they'd have hit the solid sheet of ice?
Its very true many canceled at the last minute. I personally may never have been born if my relatives had not gotten very sick and cancelled their tickets on the titanic the day before setting sail. They later came across on her sister ship i believe.
@@MCO18The question wasn’t’Was The Titanic ADVERTISED as unsinkable’,the question was ‘Was The Titanic unsinkable?’. Seeing as it has resided 2 miles down at the bottom of The Atlantic for the last 112 Years,I’d say that it undoubtedly was pretty fucking sinkable
Can't help but get very sad thinking about those on the Titanic. What a frightening thing to go through. Highly recommend James Cameron's documentary about it (not the movie with Winslet). He goes in submersibles to the wreckage, and they discuss moment by moment what happened. It's very touching.
Very proud to say I am from Dalbeattie in Scotland, the hometown of Murdoch. In the town museum there is a large section dedicated to him. After the release of the film the Murdoch family objected to his portrayal as it damaged his character. Film execs came to Scotland, apologised and donated £5000 to the museum but James Cameron never actually apologised.
I saw the movie and though I don't know the accuracy of it, i found that Murdoch was portrayed in an honorable way. Just curious what people were offended by?
@@Mrs.Currie, I assume (and believe I've read elsewhere) that they took umbrage about how, in the film, he's depicted shooting two passengers who he thought were trying to get into lifeboats without his permission, before turning his gun on himself. This is, at best, guesswork on the part of Cameron and his writers.
Imagine saying goodbye to your husband or father for the last time and watching the ship sink with him in it. Spending the whole night praying he survived.
The thing that always sticks in my mind about the Titanic is the fact that most people wouldn't have ever heard of it if she had not sunk. Other than the ships mentioned in this video, can you name a single other ship great from that time. There were definitely other ships.
I can name Lusitania. Ehm... For similar reasons. 😅 But in the last few weeks I've been kinda obsessed with oceanliners. So yeah, I could name a few. Tho I get your point; most can't.
The SS Caledonia. I feel like Cal (Caledon) in the movie was a nod to this ship, but I haven't seen anything confirming it. It was another ocean liner that became a troop ship in WWI.
Sure, Tim Maltin often gets a few details wrong. But here he gave the most reasonable and insightful explanations about the lifeboat situation and the events on the Californian I've heard. Both of these instances are often misunderstood and the people responsible demonized.
Additional fun Titanic fact about Captain Turner ( of the Lustiania). As he was a respected Liner Captain, who was in New York anyway, he was requested to give evidence at a legal hearing assessing Insurance liabilities in the Titanic disaster. This was the day before he sailed on the doomed journey. One of the questions put to him was about the requirement of Captains to stay with the ship. He told the court that, should he ever be in that situation, he would be exiting the ship at the first opportunity. He kept his word.
@@missyouwish88yeah it’s ridiculous. if anything, it’s ideal that captains and officers try to survive as they would be best positioned to give crucial testimony at any inquiries.
@missyouwish88 part of it is that it’s kind of a cultural thing then- the British officer/upper classes and the sense of honor… also a sense of “if I live, they’re going to absolutely vilify me” and also the shame- he knew his reputation was done and that’s what mattered then, to those with money and status. There was talk that he was being put out to pasture, and it wasn’t that he’d worked his time but that he was getting sort of forced into retirement because of drama or scandal.
@@Stitchwitchstitch That is an excellent point about Smith's careet would have been over. Something not mentioned in the video is that whern he skippered "Olympic" on her maiden voyage, he got pranged by a Royal Navy warship. The wave created by the massive vessel sucked it into ramming Olympic (hence the photo with the masive hole) It then sank a U.S tug on arrival at New York. That was mildly embarassing for him and expensive for White Star. When he took Titanic out, he had a similar issue and only escaped prnaging Titanic by coolly learning from the previous years's fiasco. With the great and the godd of High Society and White Star on ooard on both occassion, we can imagne that Smith was not in a good place mentally as his crew fought a coal bunker fire. He then forgot about a message warning him of the ice field.
Didn’t the Titanic sank in 2 hours 40 minutes, not 2 hours 20 minutes? She hit the iceberg at 11.40pm and was completely gone beneath the water at 2.20am.
I wasn't particularly interested in the Titanic until I saw this video, about a year ago now. What contagious enthusiasm and so many nuanced things that combined into such a disaster. Especially the strange viewing conditions! I've rewatched a few times now over the months, and when someone elsewhere said snarkily to me 'learn your history, the Titanic sinking was so bad was because they infamously didn't have enough lfieboats'...well boy did I have a thorough rebuttal.
Titanic had poor record keeping and some cancelled at the last minute which is why we don't know exactly how many people were aboard or died plus many bodies were never recovered
I have read Officer Lightoller's account of what happened. He was the senior surviving officer, so he was subjected to much ridicule (for not 'going down with the ship'), quite unjustly. Lightholler was actually heroic in getting people into lifeboats.
Internet search seems to conclude it would take weeks if not months to go completely white from trauma. I looked it up as overnight seemed biologically impossible. One source claimed the captains relative claimed it took 6 months.
That was such a strange comment. Hair can't go white overnight; the hair that's already grown can't change color no mantter how much stress you're under. Perhaps he meant that after that night, his new hair all grew in white, which indeed would take weeks to notice.
He did. He mentioned Thayer made a drawing (which was half true; Thayer didn't draw it, but he described the scene to someone who made the drawing based on that)
@@reaperj550 Yes, which many others denied. However, Jack was proven right in 1985 when Ballard found the Titanic and saw the stern far away from the bow section with the debris field strewn all over. I've seen a copy of the sketch which was done on the Carpathian from Jack's description.
@@salishseaquest7952 yes I agree with you but my point is this.. if this Jack saw the ship break in half and went on to speak about it and do a drawing. That is evidence to say he did survive.
Alexander Carlisle was the designer of the Olympic class. But left Harland and Wolff after disagreements with his brother in law, lord Pirrie. Andrews inherited the completion of the ships.
Titanic was never actually called "unsinkable" by the White Star Line. They actually said it was as safe as a ship could be designed. Nobody actually had this religious faith in the ship's design
Would you trust a bulletproof vest? I'd rather be on an unsinkable ship that only sinks in freak occurrences than the one that sinks at the slightest collision.
I used to live in Fairview, near that cemetery. The grave is for a Joseph Dawson. He was a stoker in one of the boiler rooms. Originally from Dublin. James Cameron was unaware of his existence and the name similarity is entirely coincidence. Interestingly Dawson was buried in the Anglican/Protestant Fairview Lawn Cemetery, while most Catholics were buried in Halifax's Mount Olivet Cemetery. His religion was likely unknown when his body was recovered by the Mackay Bennett
There’s quite a few things in this video that aren’t true. Jack Dawson was not really based on Jack Thayer at all; Jack Thayer was incredibly wealthy. Britannic was never going to be named the Gigantic, this is just a rumor. The ship took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink, not 2 hours and 20 minutes (probably just misspoke cuz 2:20am is when she sank) A lot of the photos are labelled incorrectly. The photo they use for “Lusitania” is Olympic, the photo they call the “RMS Britannic” is ALSO a photo of the Olympic. Titanic broke a bit higher than 15°, the angle was somewhere between 20-30. The Birkenhead sank in 1852; that’s 60 years before Titanic, not 20. Titanic’s last two lifeboats weren’t technically “dragged down”, they floated immediately off of the deck as the ship sank.
My favorite story about this disaster is the story of Violet Jessop a nurse who not only survived the sinking of the Titanic but she also survived the sinking of her sister ship the Britannic in 1916. And if that isn't enough she was also on the third sister ship the Olympic when it collided with the Hawke in 1911. She must have had angels looking out for her.
A few corrections; you showed a pic of the Olympic after her collision with the Hawke, but label it as "Britannic", Titanic's rooms weren't 'switched around' she literally had two parlour suites constructed upfront on her B deck, whereas this area was an open promenade on Olympic, thereby increasing Titanic's gross tonnage considerably over Olympic's, the picture labeled "Lusitania" is actually the Olympic, the propeller picture shown is of the Olympic, not Titanic and the difference in speed between the Mauretania class and Olympic class wasn't because of propeller count but because of the power plants in both ship classes - the Mauretania class had high-pressure Parsons turbine engines and the Olympic class ships settled for the slower but tried and true dual-reciprocating engines, though they were coupled with a low-pressure Parsons turbine which was powered by runoff steam from the two main engines and drove the centre prop. Titanic was NOT racing Olympic - they were simply keeping track of the ships' performance. She wasn't going faster - Titanic's service speed was 21 knots, not 22, as was Olympic's. She was only doing 21 when she struck the iceberg. She sank in 2hrs 40mins, not 2hrs 20mins. While the point about binoculars not helping that evening is correct, there's another reason, the coldwater mirage that evening. It's a myth that Titanic ran around on the iceberg - there is no grounding damage anywhere on the shell plating and we've already identified the iceberg damage under the mud thanks to sonar imaging - it's just 6 small slits in the steel plating along the hull flank at the starboard bow. The ice field was North of Titanic, not ahead of her. Alexander Carlisle designed Titanic (and Olympic), Thomas Andrews just oversaw the finishing of the project. Again, she took 2hrs 40mins to sink, not 2hrs 20mins. The confusion may be because the ship sank at 2:20AM.
not to mention another reason why the Olympic clas wasnt as fast, was because like you pointed out, the engines used(were more established, and economical) and the tonnage, the Olympic class, was if I'm not mistaken, like 10 or 15k tons heavier than the Lusitania or mauretania, and the Olympic class engines HP output was lower than the Engines on the Lusitania and mauretania, that if I'm not wrong I thing they were 1 turbine per propeler(same goes for Titanic) and since the Olympic class was designed with luxury and confort in mind, and not speed... well they were bigger, heavier and had less powerfull engines than the competition.
@@mounirnajja5079 I believe he's talking the number of survivors. The relative percentage of 3rd class survivors is lower, but there were so many more people in 3rd class that the overall number of survivors was higher than 2nd class
@@pc_buildyb0i935 Indeed, I believe the original statement could be misinterpreted as suggesting that third-class passengers had a higher chance of survival, which certainly wasn't the case.
My only gripe with his analysis is when it comes to the # of life boats on board. It’s like he’s a defense team for White Star Line. There’s a reason SOLAS was developed. Hint: part of the reason was that there weren’t enough life boats for everyone In fact, Titanic’s original design called for 64 lifeboats. That number was later cut in half, then nearly halved again to 20 life boats because the ship’s owners felt that too many lifeboats would clutter the deck and obscure the First Class passengers’ views. The fact this guy doesn’t discuss this is kind of annoying.
@@flyntflossy3044 Which makes it all the more accurate. I am also miffed that Ismay, who directly reduced the number of lifeboats on the Titanic to an almost cursory number, had the gall to push his way in and get on a lifeboat!
I'm so proud to say I'm from Burnley which is the town tied to Wallace Hartley's birth town of Colne just down the road. His legacy is greatly celebrated in the town of Colne with memorials and even a Wetherspoons named after him (Even though he wasn't a drinker!) 2 years ago, the town hosted a beautiful memorial service outside the titanic statue with a live orchestral band playing songs of the era and the greatest local historian Simon Entwistle telling us stories of Titanic and Wallace Hartley. If History Hit ever wanted to pop over, my door is opened to you for a brew and to talk about all this Wallace Hartley :D
The point about how some of the people in the water could have been warmed up again is tragic but even if the crew had known that they probably still wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the ones who could and couldn't be revived. And just filling up with random people wouldn't have been a good tactic. They had to prioritise people who were still conscious and obviously saveable. Then again, it does put an extra sting in Jack’s fate. Maybe he was still alive as Rose watched him sink. 😮
Well, I just learned a few things I didn't know before, and I am glad of it. As a small child in the late 1950's, it was not unusual to hear old timers speak of the Titanic sinking. I'm still teaching, love challenging my high school students, and I'm invested in learning things like this. Awesome video!!
For a Titanic expert, he gets a few big things wrong. No, I'm not talking about the funny images that confuse Olympic for Lusitania. 1. It's generally accepted among many Titanic experts that there were 2,208 total people aboard, with 1,496 victims and 712 survivors. I know we'll never know for absolute certain, but these numbers have been totaled numerous times from independent researchers. 2. Titanic actually had 29 boilers in total. 3. Titanic took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink, not 2 hours and 20 minutes. 4. He's correct about the usefulness of binoculars at night, but he's wrong about the binoculars that David Blair accidentally locked away. When David Blair left the ship, he accidentally locked the binoculars assigned to Titanic's second officer in his locker. Charles Lightoller evidentially brought his own aboard, since he had a pair during the voyage. The lookouts were never assigned a set from the White Star Line, but sometimes borrowed an officer's binoculars if there was a pair that was not in use. 5. Jack Thayer did not draw that rendition of Titanic breaking in half, it was actually created by an artist aboard Carpathia. Jack Thayer himself said it was not accurate to what he actually witnessed. 6. Titanic was not riddled with iron gates separating passenger classes. Those iron gates kept passengers away from crew areas and machinery. The classes were kept separate with plain wooden doors, metal bulkhead doors, bulkhead walls, ropes, and staircases. Everyone seems to ignore the emergency door that connected the grand staircase to Scotland road.
I kept asking myself, why does he keep saying it sank in 2 hours and 20 min?? Maybe he's the getting the time of the sinking (2:20 am) confused with the amount of time it took.
Also, does anyone actually think Captain Smith dived off the ship to rescue babies from the icy waters? And didn't all Inquiries chuck out the haze theory on the grounds it was uncorroborated by anyone except the lookouts who were extremely inconsistent in their testimonies?
Also that the captain of the Californian went out of his way to smudge the records of his ship on the morning of April 15th so that it would appear that his ship was too far away to have been of any help. His officers saw the distress rockets but were too intimated by him to have impetus to investigate, either by waking their wireless operator or by maneuvering their ship closer.
Jack would have fitted on the door easy if Rose hadn't LEFT THE LIFEBOAT AND GOT BACK ON THE SHIP!!! Then the door only would have had to support him and they would have met on the Carpathia in a few hours. Given the fact that she DID insist on abandoning a perfectly good lifeboat seat to take up precious door space later, why didn't Jack have the sense to work with her to tear off one of the doors that were nearby when they met on the staircase and haul it up to the deck. They had some time to choose a large door and they could have positioned themselves on it, floating away on it when the ship disappeared below them.
There were no locked metal gates between second and third class on the Titanic. It was against British Board of Trade rules to lock in passengers. That said, there were closed doors and unmarked crew passages that Third class could have gone through but did not know about. There were no directions to the boat deck, (a long trip through a maze from D, E and F decks to the boat deck), emergency exits were not marked, there were language barriers and there was no public address system. Third Class generally stayed where they were waiting for instructions from the crew which were slow in coming.
Titanic’s sinking was a perfect storm of “everything that could have gone wrong” mixed with “what should have been done in hindsight” It was a devastating waste of life, but the consequence was that the maritime world woke up and took shit seriously after that.
@@missyouwish88 Oh, is that right? He's a pretty cool dude. The Lusitania is a good (and tragic) story too. I have a big book on it, called "Wilful Moider" [sic]
Eva Hart said the musicians played 'Nearer my God to Thee' and they could hear it from the lifeboats. She said she couldn't hear that song after that night without having panic attacks
I was listening to a History Hit podcast and someone said those same atmospheric issues he discusses from 14:35 onwards also impacted Robert Falcon Scott's doomed polar expedition
David Blair was not fired by Smith. He was removed from the Titanic roster by White Star Line (quite a common practise) & placed on another ship. He continued to serve WSL, later even alongside Titanic's surviving officer Lightoller. And yes, there were indeed plenty of binoculars on Titanic that night, if they'd needed some, they'd gotten them easily.
This is like a really grim infomercial for the Titanic sinking. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! I had no idea it was this crazy. Truly a macabre comedy of errors and circumstances.
Great video. However, when you show a picture of the 'Lusitania', that is actually a picture of one of the olympic lines. The actual olympic if I'm not mistaken.
When you come to Belfast, you notice straight away that this city built the Titanic. Cause it's 2024 and they still pride themselves on a 112 year old maiden voyage shipwreck.
There’s a few inaccurate statements here. The one that got me the most was the claim about Britannic being originally called Gigantic, it’s only believed by some people. However WSL denied this, and there are records dating back to 1911 where the ship was always called Britannic. There’s absolutely no evidence that the ship was going to be named Gigantic
As far as I'm aware all passengers taken aboard Carpathia survived the trip to New York. Some developed long term health complications from which they never recovered. Such as Archibald Gracie who died 8 months after the sinking, just after finishing one of the first books about the sinking. Several people died in the lifeboats during the night,. Particularly aboard the swamped collapsible A, and the overturned Collapsible B.
I really enjoyed this video, but I'm now so disappointed how they portrayed captain Smith's demise on the movie. His true story is so much more heroic. It would have been such a better story if they showed captain Smith trying to save the baby of the woman who had earlier asked him to help her.
I'd like seeing a source on this in either direction. I've heard he was loosely based on a passenger (which could be as loose as "a passenger named Jack who drew" for a long time, but assumed it was as reliable as any other movie rumor. But hearing an expert on it lends some weight to it. Though he didn't provide a source, but neither is the person saying it's nonsense. Is there anything from Cameron to verify either direction?
@@jakebeach8308Anyone can be a self-proclaimed expert. James Cameron stated on the commentary track he based the character of Jack on a young Jack London, the famous author, who was never a passenger on Titanic. Jack Thayer was a wealthy teenager sailing aboard Titanic with his parents, he shares nothing with Jack Dawson except his name. That’s like claiming Rose’s mother Ruth is based on second class survivor Ruth Becker. Completely ridiculous.
I really enjoyed the nuanced answers and explanations. Everything i was taught and shown as a kid demonized the crew things like locking up 3rd class not launching all the life boats etc. Its nice to hear actually there was a lot of thought and care put into trying to do right by everyone as best they could in such a terrible situation
At 3:25 whilst talking about the watertight compartments, a photo is displayed of a ship with a gaping hole in the bow with the caption "RMS Britannic". This is incorrect as the picture is actually showing the RMS Olympic after it had collided with HMS Hawke in 1911
there were extremely few.photos taken on board the Titanic prior to that voyage. That's more than likely the reason for the mislabeling of those photos
It's unlikely the Californian would have reached the Titanic in time to have any effect on the number of survivors. It took them almost 4 hours to get there the next morning, in daylight. Even if they had steamed as quickly as possible they likely wouldn't have arrived until just after the stern sank, and too late to rescue anyone in the water. The Californian incident did however highlight the need for 24-hour wireless operation and standardization of distress signals.
Well, I’m pretty sure they could have helped since they saw the distress flares in the sky - which means that they were pretty close to Titanic actually
@@whillard2447 the Californian was a very small ship. They could hold maybe another 100 people. Which would have been helpful but there still would’ve been 1400 people needing rescue.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 I doubt they'd have even rescued that many. In 1941 it took HMS Dorsetshire an hour to rescue 85 survivors from Bismarck. They were healthy young men, in relatively warm water, in daylight.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 Yet much smaller vessels, not designed to accommodate large numbers, were able to lift 800+ people in a single lift from Dunkirk in 1940. I refer you to any of the destroyers used there.
He is wrong that third class passengers had a better chance of surviving. 78% of third class passengers died. 58% of second class passengers died. Because there were so many more people in third class, the total number of who survived in third class was greater than the total number of people who survived in second class, namely 172 versus 111. But that is not relevant. What is relevant is the percentage, and this guy seems to be ignorant of basic mathematics. Also, the claim that someone's hair can turn gray overnight is false. The hair that has already grown out will not change overnight. This guy knows a lot, but he also makes some big errors.
Not really; it wasn't rocket science to avoid speeding through an ice field dotted with icebergs, actually. It was reckless abandon by a captain with no regard for anything except his misconception that the ship was somehow unsinkable.
One contributing factor to why Titanic kept such a high speed might have been that White Star offices in New York had complained multiple times (to the main office in England, i.e. to Bruce Ismay) that they had difficulties in maintaining the sailing schedule due to long loading/turnaround times at the New York pier. I.e., the time available in port in order to reset the ship for the next voyage was so short that they demanded that the ships (the Olympic and Titanic) must arrive at New York as early as possible.
I'd like to say, I was really impressed listening to him. He had a really good way of communicating his answers and even things that would be so obvious to someone with his expertise he was able to get across in a way that wasn't condescending or like he was speaking down.
For example, when he clarified the term "stern."
The perfect kind of attitude to explain something. Really great to listen to.
Shame half the stuff he said was absolute rubbish and not true at all…
@@peggbegg oh?
@@combatwombat2134 far too much to go into. But so many inaccuracies in just about every answer he gives.
I agree, a shame that some of his answers were not exact, like the parto with the binoculars, yes true most what he says, but look outs were not expecting to be given binoculars, binoculars were for the exclusive use of the officers, like he points out, hte lookouts job was to alert to anything they might spot in the way, then the officers would slow and take binoculars to try to identify the object ahead. That was the common practice in most ships of the time.
@@peggbegg you can’t just say he’s incorrect and then not give any examples
When “spoilers” popped up when he says “no,because she did sink”.. I got a chuckle out of that 😂
I think the reason for the question was because of the conspiracy that it wasn't the Titanic that sank, but another ship. But the "spoiler warning" was still really funny.
"a man becomes a master of his craft not when he can discuss complex topics, but when he can introduce the topic to a complete beginner"
I'm an American living in the Republic of Ireland. Belfast, in Northern Ireland, has a wonderful Titanic museum.
It is more than about the ship.
Really touching.
One of the best museums I've visited!
Yes that was a highlight of my trip to Ireland! Such a beautiful museum
They really messed up with their 'replica' of the Grand Staircase though. It isn't accurate at all and looks bad, you'd think they would have stayed true to blueprints for the sake of accuracy.
I worked in this museum for five year. Wonderful celebration of our maritime history here in Belfast!
Jack Thayer is one of my favorite passengers. His account of the sinking is incredible, especially since I believe he was 17 at the time. His story is very sad, he was considered an adult in those times so he was not allowed on a lifeboat and he lost his father and his friend in the sinking. The way he described losing his father in a crowd as the last time he ever saw him was chilling. When him and his friend Milton Long (they had met aboard the ship but they were together for the entire night of the sinking) had finally decided to get off the ship, Milton slid down the side of the ship right before Jack jumped but he most likely got sucked under and Jack was able to get farther away from the ship and climb onto the overturned Collapsible B lifeboat with Officer Lightoller, Archibald Gracie, Harold Bride, and others and had to stay balanced for hours with all of the other men on the boat before being moved to Lifeboat 12 prior to being rescued. Years later he ended up losing his son in WWII and the next year, on the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, his mother died. All of these tragedies combined obviously took a huge toll on him and few months later he committed suicide. His life must have been so painful and his story is so tragic beginning at such a young age. I hope you are resting in peace, Jack Thayer ❤❤
Oh how tragic. The toll of going through so much must've been unbearable.
I heard that the reason the Titanic was sailing so fast was because the stokers were racing against a fire in one of the coal bunkers, and this fire contributed to the ship sinking.
@@liamhillman8486 the fire was actually contained within a few days of sailing! It actually probably helped because they shoveled all of the excess coal to the other side of the ship to keep it away from feeding the fire, which caused the ship to list slightly so when it hit the iceberg it hit the other side and balanced out the ship. If the fire didn’t happen, they would have kept the coal spread out evenly and when the ship hit the iceberg it would have listed more to one side and less people would have been able to escape. Since it sunk on an even keel it was stable enough that people were still able to get to the deck and they were still able to launch lifeboats. When the Lusitania sank, it listed so far over that when they tried to launch the lifeboats they just scraped against the side of the ship and dumped the passengers into the sea. It also made it so they the passengers that were trapped below were unable to use the stairs. Sobering things to think about. It’s hard to think of the passengers on the Titanic as being lucky but the fact that the ship sunk so evenly meant that they had more time to evacuate and in turn more people were able to get to the boat deck and onto lifeboats or, in the case of Collapsible B, were able to jump into the water and swim to the lifeboat where they were then rescued in the morning. I just think it’s fascinating that there are so many factors during the night that change the course of events. Without that fire we might have lost even more people!
Your stories are fascinating! Thank you so much for sharing.
Best comment ever. Thank you for the second history lesson. I'm going to research Jack now.
0 degrees C is the freezing point of fresh water. Salt water freezes at a lower temperature-that's why the oceans freeze at the poles.
I thought it was a headboard. It drives me NUTS when people say it was a door. And I always understood that Jack STAYED off the board on purpose, to save Rose. You can see him nod, confirming to himself that he has committed to that decision and sacrifice.
he did - you're right
And people got so worked up about it! Like yeah, hypothermic terrified people in freezing water definitely have the energy to play with physics and probability, “you sit here and I’ll try this, no okay, I go there and you scoot over oh no no nvm let me try this”! More than they did. Plus, lol, it wasn’t real. I mean, it’s representative of what some people had to go through but literally not Rose and Jack then and like that.
@@Stitchwitchstitch actually plenty of people tried to do what jack and rose did. Someone was found floating on debris
They even show him trying to get on and the board starts to tip.
Get a life it's a movie FFS 😂
I've never considered it before, but imagine being an officer like Murdoch, thinking you had done your duty for the most part and most of the women and children were off the ship, and then suddenly hundreds of people come up from third class after you've already launched most of the boats. Chilling.
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Nevermind that. Lightollers policy of women and children only was essentially murder. He threatened passengers with a gun and ordered a man off of a lifeboat into the freezing water -that wasn't even full to begin with. How did he survive? On a lifeboat of course.
I'm addition, in his book he wrote about "not going for any of that surrendering malarkey" as he also served in WW1. Practically admitting to murdering surrendering soldiers and thus committing war crimes.
This pos is widely celebrated as a hero and I cannot understand why he isn't outed by historians as the turd that he was
8:24 When he talks about the "Greyhounds of the Atlantic" The Lusitania and the Mauritania, the picture they used for "Lusitania" is actually the Olympic. You can even clearly see "Olympic" Written on the bow.
This so called expert got a million things wrong in this video
And the photo labelled "Britannic" is also Olympic (showing the damage from the Hawke collision)
I heard also that the reason the name of the tugboat in the photo was scratched out was because that was NOT the tug that attended the Titanic & it could be checked.
@@rameyzamora1018correct, it's footage of the Olympic, but in the 1910s when the had no known footage of the Titanic (There is one piece of footage of the Titanic) they used footage of Olympic in New York instead and scratched the names of the tugs because the port of registry is New York
Funnily enough, Lusitania *is* in the full photo of Olympic they used. She’s off Olympics stern at the Cunard pier, but it’s cropped off here. That’s probably why this photo came up when whoever they had editing search for photos.
The women and children thing comes from the HMS Birkenhead. Otherwise known as the Birkenhead drill. It was later decided that separating families and leaving a bunch of widows and possibly orphans on their own might not be the best plan after all.
yeah at least nowdays in similar situation id just swap my gender on the spot with the boys and get on a lifeboat.
@@Jebu911they don’t fill lifeboats according to gender nowadays
Drives me crazy how people go on about the door in the movie. Even James Cameron said it was a panel and that yes, Jack would fit on it, but practicality would have killed both him and Rose as they would have both been submerged in water due to their weight. Also, the point of the movie was that Jack sacrificed his life for Rose, and his influence of meeting him onboard gave her the courage to live her life to the fullest. That’s why you see the portraits of her at the end. Jack was always meant to die, so Rose could live.
Ok. Rose was wearing a life jacket. If the panel held her weight the life jacket underneath the panel would of held them both up. So jack shouldnt of died. He got his arm hacked at by a rubber axe earlier so maybe they were not thinking straight
I wouldn’t have fit on it
@@mattluszczak8095*shouldn't have
Apparently there was supposed to be a scene where he tried to get onto the panel, showing that it couldn't support both of them. But, it was ultimately cut from the final edit.
@@hannahk1306 he tries at the end of the film, and it flips
i grew up in edinburgh scotland. down the street from a lady who survived the sinking with her mother !!!!
That's where I'm from. Do you happen to remember what area she lived in? I'm curious if I ever crossed paths with her.
she lived in davidsons mains edinburgh
@@markinFL333 oh wow, right round the corner from me!
What was her name?
I could listen to Tim Maltin talking about the Titanic for hours.
You really shouldn't. If you care about history.
@Darilon12 that makes no sense.
@@anandmorris his statements are filled with inaccuracies and mistakes. He seems to be two decades out of date when it comes to Titanic research. If you want details... This comment section is full of people pointing that out.
@@anandmorris and please stop liking your own comment. That's just sad.
@@Darilon12 i haven't. That would be weird.
This expert answers questions about the Titanic in a way that gets the info into my brain better than some documentaries. Maybe the world still needs experts that aren't AI generated afterall.
Please ignore his assessment of Captain Smith, as he told ridiculous fantasies long since debunked on him! Swimming around rescuing babies?!? Stuff and nonsense!
If you have a look at the NYT report of the sinking and then go in a few pages more, you'll see an advertisement for tickets on the return trip to Southampton
Hey, they paid for the ad in advance, no refunds!
35:46 I have a quite distant relevative who survived the sinking, he said they gave him cold coffee. He was one of the people who managed to get onto of collapsible B, which had washed overboard and had flipped over and around 27 men climbed aboard and that was near waist deep in water.
Hello, Titanic enthusiast here! What was your relatives name? I have yet to meet anyone in person (and even online) who was related to a survivor, so I would love to learn his story if you’d be willing to give his name. Even just hearing his bit about the cold coffee intrigues me to learn more about his personal experience
This is not my friend, Mike Brady.
Funny stuff 😂
I was just thinking that! I feel like I’m cheating watching this!
First question: "Was the Titanic real?"
My friend Mike Brady wouldn't tolerate this silliness.
@@icalloutbs5441 indeed what are these stupid questions?!
Haha, I love Mike, I follow his channel
I got choked up SEEING Wally’s violin. He got to PLAY it.
My guy took his valuables to his grave after completing his commission. And they sell it for 1 mill, legit grave robbery.
Hindsight and context can cause such a turmoil in people, no matter what topic is being discussed. This is the first time I've seen and heard someone actually take both into the account and delivering a sobering and realistic depiction of how and why the Titanic sinking was amplifyed by the societal, economical and cultural norms of the time. Mr.Tim Moulton portrayed quite a different story than what is widely accepted as the story of the Titanic. I hope this gets views from millions upon millions of people.
I was raised in a city that has a lot of titanic victims buried, and of one the tombstones says J Dawson. It gets a lot of flowers each year
Halifax. Endured its own tragedy a few years later.
Hello, fellow Haligonian!
His name was Joseph Dawson iirc, he was one of the trimmers.
@@kathrynstemler6331 Yes, the Halifax Explosion
This will be pure gold for the youtube titanic community to react to. Oh boy....
Ok, who asked if the titanic was "real"? What has happened to this world? 😂😂😂
But isn't Google the best way, these days to find out if a story is "real"?? I was born in the 80s so I know it's real now, since there was so much information about it, when the film came out but If you were born in the 2000s, I reckon it's a valid thing to Google.
@@donrennis7585I distinctly recall people in school being dumbfounded when told the ship and her story wasn't just a movie when the movie came out... It just floored me (I had loved shipwrecks since I was a kid. My parents bought me the National Geographics when Dr. Ballard discovered her, and I was thrilled as a tiny nerd).
I mean, everyone learns something at some point. There will be a bunch of kids/teens over the years who watch the film and then wonder. To be honest, I wonder how many would know an awful lot about the Titanic during this generation had the movie not been such a hit.
Probably someone young, who watched the film for the first time.
Cellphones. They make people stupid.
Nother better than a teacher (or specialist) who can tell a compelling story.
Anyone else super hyped for this because of an UNHEALTHY obsession with the Titanic and everything dealing with it as a child?
(That still lingers well into adulthood but it’s easier to hide until the topic comes up)
so funny you posted this comment! i was obsessed when i was little, i painted like 10 pictures of the boat and gave them to my teachers. heartbreaking movie
Yes! I used to build parts of it and sink it in the bath, making my own movies!
Really impressive. There's nothing more intriguing and inspiring than an expert who is passionate and articulate in discussing their field.
He seems passionate for sure and explains some things well, but the number of things he states which are incorrect is a great shame.
@@Matt5bmLot of editing errors too.
It’s not about the door/wood paneling size for him to fit, it’s about buoyancy. Had he got on, they both would have been in the water. It’s like two full sized people on one wooden surf board that’s only 6 feet long. Tried it and failed with my brother. Mythbusters also tested it out. They both would have been in the freezing water.
I mean that's what he said.
He literally said that they wouldn't fall off but it would make them both be in contact with the water
Yeah, I've heard it explained like that before. By the guy. In the video. That you just tried to correct.
He could never have survived..it wasn't written that way
Absolutely insane that there were ever people who didn't understand that
This is very fascinating. Molly Brown was from Denver and we have a museum here that was her former residence that I've visited several times.
Fascinating insight dispelling many of the truths we have held in the since the sinking of the Titanic. Brilliant, thank you
Lightoller was amazing in his presence of mind. A real gutsy fellow with balls. He knew if he went back the boat would be swamped. He waited until people "thinned out". I couldnt have done that. What a decision to have to make at such a moment.
Do you mean Lowe, the Fifth Officer? He was the only guy to go back.
Lightoller was on the overturned Collapsible and in no position to go anywhere willingly. His presence of mind might also be questioned by the fact that he lowered half empty boats (if even) with only women and children, and that he opened a giant door in the front of the ship. Honestly, the more I read about him, the less I like him.
@@535phobos no,I meant Lightoller. I just cross-checked to make sure I got the right person.
@@pheart2381 Lightoller spent most of the night on the capsized collapsible boat B. He was busy not falling in the water, he did not row back. Lowe in Boat 14 was the only one to return after giving some of his boats passengers to other boats.
@@535phobosDon't forget he also gunned down a tone of German soldiers who'd already surrendered and were unarmed in WWI!
@@pheart2381if you are actually thinking of Lightoller for this, then whatever information you found about him is incorrect and I’d cast it out of your mind asap.
Starboard is to the right and port is to the left, and backing is ordered similarly, methinks.
Excellent information and replaces much that I had wrong and adds even more truths I had not known.
Will never get over the 2 hour uni lecture about the titanic taught by a lecturer who knew nothing about the titanic. His recommended books were all coffee table books like "101 things about the titanic" etc. He asked why there werent enough lifeboats, i said one of the reasons was the regulations at the time. He just outright said no thats not it... 😶
I once had a tour guide - a TOUR GUIDE - tell me that the Hoover Dam was named after the director of the FBI. I was itching to tell him that it was really named after the inventor of the vacuum cleaner, but my wife quelled me. 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118I think both are wrong, it’s named after former president Herbert Hoover, not J Edgar Hoover (FBI founder) or William Henry Hoover / his son Herbert William Hoover (who bought the vacuum patent from the actual inventor James Murray Spangler, the cousin of William Hoover’s wife)
@@rebmichelle Yes, that was my point. That a tour guide got it wrong. The vacuum thing was a joke. 🙂
@@andrewstevenson118 Ohhh gotcha, my bad. I bet they would've believed you if you'd said it was actually the vacuum guy instead then though LMAO
@@rebmichelle No worries. It was ironic that I (a New Zealander) was correcting an American tour guide about American history. Another woman on the tour (a Canadian) said "yeah, I think Andrew's right". 🙂
Question: with the amount of icebergs in the water and the miles-long sheet of solid ice only 3 miles away from the Titanic, was it inevitable that they were going to hit something that night? What would have happened if they'd have hit the solid sheet of ice?
Its very true many canceled at the last minute. I personally may never have been born if my relatives had not gotten very sick and cancelled their tickets on the titanic the day before setting sail. They later came across on her sister ship i believe.
I'd love to have this expert Tim back sometime! What a great explainer, teacher etc whilst being entertaining. I loved that he added more details.
I have so many more questions, here's hoping for a part two where he talks more about the specific passenger stories because they are fascinating.
Was The Titanic real?
Was The Titanic unsinkable?. Two of the most bloody stupid questions that could’ve been asked
First thing I get, I mean, half of DiCaprio moves are based on real events, you could ask were the Candy plantation or Manson ranch real.
I don't think the first is a stupid question for people who only know about it from the movie.
@cinissanguis6836 history is important to prevent future mistakes. Sadly it's not being fully taught
I don’t think the second one is stupid. There’s a common misconception that Titanic was advertised as “unsinkable”
@@MCO18The question wasn’t’Was The Titanic ADVERTISED as unsinkable’,the question was ‘Was The Titanic unsinkable?’. Seeing as it has resided 2 miles down at the bottom of The Atlantic for the last 112 Years,I’d say that it undoubtedly was pretty fucking sinkable
Can't help but get very sad thinking about those on the Titanic. What a frightening thing to go through. Highly recommend James Cameron's documentary about it (not the movie with Winslet). He goes in submersibles to the wreckage, and they discuss moment by moment what happened. It's very touching.
This was excellent. The speaker explained things so well.
8:23 that ain't lusitania, that's Olympic
Exactly!
I can see why the editor got confused as in the original photo, in the background, you can spot Lusitania lurking :)
@@OceanlinerDesigns Hey, It's my friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs!
Take a drink every time he starts an answer with “Well …. “
And "mercifuly"
Will be alot of drunk listeners 😂
And "yes and no." Might as well get properly toasted! 😂 🍻🥂🍷🍸🍹🍺🥃
No alcohol though because this is surely a video for under 8's🍼🍭
References Olympic's collision and shows a picture of the damage done to Olympic, labels it as Britanic
Obviously this guy didn't do the editing
Very proud to say I am from Dalbeattie in Scotland, the hometown of Murdoch. In the town museum there is a large section dedicated to him. After the release of the film the Murdoch family objected to his portrayal as it damaged his character. Film execs came to Scotland, apologised and donated £5000 to the museum but James Cameron never actually apologised.
I saw the movie and though I don't know the accuracy of it, i found that Murdoch was portrayed in an honorable way. Just curious what people were offended by?
@@Mrs.Currie, I assume (and believe I've read elsewhere) that they took umbrage about how, in the film, he's depicted shooting two passengers who he thought were trying to get into lifeboats without his permission, before turning his gun on himself. This is, at best, guesswork on the part of Cameron and his writers.
Imagine saying goodbye to your husband or father for the last time and watching the ship sink with him in it. Spending the whole night praying he survived.
The thing that always sticks in my mind about the Titanic is the fact that most people wouldn't have ever heard of it if she had not sunk. Other than the ships mentioned in this video, can you name a single other ship great from that time. There were definitely other ships.
I can name Lusitania. Ehm... For similar reasons. 😅
But in the last few weeks I've been kinda obsessed with oceanliners. So yeah, I could name a few. Tho I get your point; most can't.
True, she would have been another normal forgotten boat 🚢
The SS Caledonia. I feel like Cal (Caledon) in the movie was a nod to this ship, but I haven't seen anything confirming it. It was another ocean liner that became a troop ship in WWI.
Nina, pinta, Santa Maria. Game, set, match.
@@PatMaddox Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria werent the same time, they crossed the atlantic a few days befor the titanic
Imagine being a lobster in a tank onboard the titanic about to be cooked then it sinks and youre free
@robertstallard7836 sounds kinda hot
Did the lobster start singing ?
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Can lobsters survive at that depth of almost 4 miles below the surface and that low of a water temperature below 45 degrees F?
❤😂😅
3:31 hey you know that ship that’s famous for sinking , is it unsinkable? 😂😂. Great question
Sure, Tim Maltin often gets a few details wrong. But here he gave the most reasonable and insightful explanations about the lifeboat situation and the events on the Californian I've heard. Both of these instances are often misunderstood and the people responsible demonized.
The image with the big hole is not The Britannic. That was the Olympic.
Nobody said it was. It was just an example
The image showed it as the Britannic@@MrChristopher
Yep - I saw that, and it made me question how much stock I should put in anything that this guy was saying if they made such a basic mistake.
@@SchuminWebdo you really think he edited the video
Happy to see Tim here! First came across him in a documentary years ago and I really admire his passion.
Additional fun Titanic fact about Captain Turner ( of the Lustiania). As he was a respected Liner Captain, who was in New York anyway, he was requested to give evidence at a legal hearing assessing Insurance liabilities in the Titanic disaster. This was the day before he sailed on the doomed journey. One of the questions put to him was about the requirement of Captains to stay with the ship. He told the court that, should he ever be in that situation, he would be exiting the ship at the first opportunity. He kept his word.
I hate how people believe dieing on a ship was part of the job description.
@@missyouwish88yeah it’s ridiculous. if anything, it’s ideal that captains and officers try to survive as they would be best positioned to give crucial testimony at any inquiries.
@missyouwish88 part of it is that it’s kind of a cultural thing then- the British officer/upper classes and the sense of honor… also a sense of “if I live, they’re going to absolutely vilify me” and also the shame- he knew his reputation was done and that’s what mattered then, to those with money and status. There was talk that he was being put out to pasture, and it wasn’t that he’d worked his time but that he was getting sort of forced into retirement because of drama or scandal.
@@Stitchwitchstitch That is an excellent point about Smith's careet would have been over. Something not mentioned in the video is that whern he skippered "Olympic" on her maiden voyage, he got pranged by a Royal Navy warship. The wave created by the massive vessel sucked it into ramming Olympic (hence the photo with the masive hole) It then sank a U.S tug on arrival at New York. That was mildly embarassing for him and expensive for White Star. When he took Titanic out, he had a similar issue and only escaped prnaging Titanic by coolly learning from the previous years's fiasco. With the great and the godd of High Society and White Star on ooard on both occassion, we can imagne that Smith was not in a good place mentally as his crew fought a coal bunker fire. He then forgot about a message warning him of the ice field.
Captain Smith said if he were on a sinking ship he'd go down with it.
Tim Maltin, what an amazing guy. Hope they get him to do more videos. His enthusiasm and level of knowledge are inspiring :D
Didn’t the Titanic sank in 2 hours 40 minutes, not 2 hours 20 minutes? She hit the iceberg at 11.40pm and was completely gone beneath the water at 2.20am.
I wasn't particularly interested in the Titanic until I saw this video, about a year ago now. What contagious enthusiasm and so many nuanced things that combined into such a disaster. Especially the strange viewing conditions!
I've rewatched a few times now over the months, and when someone elsewhere said snarkily to me 'learn your history, the Titanic sinking was so bad was because they infamously didn't have enough lfieboats'...well boy did I have a thorough rebuttal.
Titanic had poor record keeping and some cancelled at the last minute which is why we don't know exactly how many people were aboard or died plus many bodies were never recovered
I have read Officer Lightoller's account of what happened. He was the senior surviving officer, so he was subjected to much ridicule (for not 'going down with the ship'), quite unjustly. Lightholler was actually heroic in getting people into lifeboats.
Internet search seems to conclude it would take weeks if not months to go completely white from trauma. I looked it up as overnight seemed biologically impossible. One source claimed the captains relative claimed it took 6 months.
That was such a strange comment. Hair can't go white overnight; the hair that's already grown can't change color no mantter how much stress you're under. Perhaps he meant that after that night, his new hair all grew in white, which indeed would take weeks to notice.
@@getgot7461 I agree. This is likely what he meant.
Lol I didn't think he meant it literally
The commentator referred to Jack Thayer several times. What he did not mention was that Jack Thayer did survive the sinking of the Titanic.
He did. He mentioned Thayer made a drawing (which was half true; Thayer didn't draw it, but he described the scene to someone who made the drawing based on that)
He also said that Jack said he saw the ship break in half.
@@reaperj550 Yes, which many others denied. However, Jack was proven right in 1985 when Ballard found the Titanic and saw the stern far away from the bow section with the debris field strewn all over.
I've seen a copy of the sketch which was done on the Carpathian from Jack's description.
@@salishseaquest7952 yes I agree with you but my point is this.. if this Jack saw the ship break in half and went on to speak about it and do a drawing. That is evidence to say he did survive.
Alexander Carlisle was the designer of the Olympic class. But left Harland and Wolff after disagreements with his brother in law, lord Pirrie. Andrews inherited the completion of the ships.
Even though a documentary does show a disagreement between Pirrie and Carlisle, they actually parted amicably and Carlisle simply retired.
I'm way too superstitious. I feel like calling a ship "unsinkable" is a mockery to the Gods of the ocean!
Titanic was never actually called "unsinkable" by the White Star Line. They actually said it was as safe as a ship could be designed. Nobody actually had this religious faith in the ship's design
Would you trust a bulletproof vest? I'd rather be on an unsinkable ship that only sinks in freak occurrences than the one that sinks at the slightest collision.
Being superstitious brings bad luck, not calling a ship unsinkable.
We needed oceanlinerdesigns to do this
The best to listen too!!
Big facts
I went to the Titanic grave site in Halifax Nova Scotia, there is indeed a grave marked J Dawson, I poured out some coffee for him
How did he draw the ship breaking in half then?
@@margo3367It’s not him. It was a coincidence that there is a grave with the same name.
I used to live in Fairview, near that cemetery. The grave is for a Joseph Dawson. He was a stoker in one of the boiler rooms. Originally from Dublin. James Cameron was unaware of his existence and the name similarity is entirely coincidence. Interestingly Dawson was buried in the Anglican/Protestant Fairview Lawn Cemetery, while most Catholics were buried in Halifax's Mount Olivet Cemetery. His religion was likely unknown when his body was recovered by the Mackay Bennett
I thought the story of Captain Smith saving a baby had been dismissed as a myth.
That's my understanding as well, that this never actually happened. Seems a bit farfetched in the first place.
There’s quite a few things in this video that aren’t true.
Jack Dawson was not really based on Jack Thayer at all; Jack Thayer was incredibly wealthy.
Britannic was never going to be named the Gigantic, this is just a rumor.
The ship took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink, not 2 hours and 20 minutes (probably just misspoke cuz 2:20am is when she sank)
A lot of the photos are labelled incorrectly. The photo they use for “Lusitania” is Olympic, the photo they call the “RMS Britannic” is ALSO a photo of the Olympic.
Titanic broke a bit higher than 15°, the angle was somewhere between 20-30.
The Birkenhead sank in 1852; that’s 60 years before Titanic, not 20.
Titanic’s last two lifeboats weren’t technically “dragged down”, they floated immediately off of the deck as the ship sank.
My favorite story about this disaster is the story of Violet Jessop a nurse who not only survived the sinking of the Titanic but she
also survived the sinking of her sister ship the Britannic in 1916. And if that isn't enough she was also on the third sister ship the
Olympic when it collided with the Hawke in 1911. She must have had angels looking out for her.
A few corrections; you showed a pic of the Olympic after her collision with the Hawke, but label it as "Britannic", Titanic's rooms weren't 'switched around' she literally had two parlour suites constructed upfront on her B deck, whereas this area was an open promenade on Olympic, thereby increasing Titanic's gross tonnage considerably over Olympic's, the picture labeled "Lusitania" is actually the Olympic, the propeller picture shown is of the Olympic, not Titanic and the difference in speed between the Mauretania class and Olympic class wasn't because of propeller count but because of the power plants in both ship classes - the Mauretania class had high-pressure Parsons turbine engines and the Olympic class ships settled for the slower but tried and true dual-reciprocating engines, though they were coupled with a low-pressure Parsons turbine which was powered by runoff steam from the two main engines and drove the centre prop.
Titanic was NOT racing Olympic - they were simply keeping track of the ships' performance. She wasn't going faster - Titanic's service speed was 21 knots, not 22, as was Olympic's. She was only doing 21 when she struck the iceberg.
She sank in 2hrs 40mins, not 2hrs 20mins.
While the point about binoculars not helping that evening is correct, there's another reason, the coldwater mirage that evening.
It's a myth that Titanic ran around on the iceberg - there is no grounding damage anywhere on the shell plating and we've already identified the iceberg damage under the mud thanks to sonar imaging - it's just 6 small slits in the steel plating along the hull flank at the starboard bow.
The ice field was North of Titanic, not ahead of her.
Alexander Carlisle designed Titanic (and Olympic), Thomas Andrews just oversaw the finishing of the project.
Again, she took 2hrs 40mins to sink, not 2hrs 20mins. The confusion may be because the ship sank at 2:20AM.
not to mention another reason why the Olympic clas wasnt as fast, was because like you pointed out, the engines used(were more established, and economical) and the tonnage, the Olympic class, was if I'm not mistaken, like 10 or 15k tons heavier than the Lusitania or mauretania, and the Olympic class engines HP output was lower than the Engines on the Lusitania and mauretania, that if I'm not wrong I thing they were 1 turbine per propeler(same goes for Titanic) and since the Olympic class was designed with luxury and confort in mind, and not speed... well they were bigger, heavier and had less powerfull engines than the competition.
Also your chance of survival in third class wasn’t far greater, way more third class passengers died.
@@mounirnajja5079 I believe he's talking the number of survivors. The relative percentage of 3rd class survivors is lower, but there were so many more people in 3rd class that the overall number of survivors was higher than 2nd class
@@pc_buildyb0i935 Indeed, I believe the original statement could be misinterpreted as suggesting that third-class passengers had a higher chance of survival, which certainly wasn't the case.
When I was a kid my grandma worked at an old folks home where a Titanic survivor lived. She passed at like 110 years old in the early/mid 2000s
My only gripe with his analysis is when it comes to the # of life boats on board. It’s like he’s a defense team for White Star Line. There’s a reason SOLAS was developed. Hint: part of the reason was that there weren’t enough life boats for everyone
In fact, Titanic’s original design called for 64 lifeboats. That number was later cut in half, then nearly halved again to 20 life boats because the ship’s owners felt that too many lifeboats would clutter the deck and obscure the First Class passengers’ views. The fact this guy doesn’t discuss this is kind of annoying.
Whats even more annoying is you ripped this word for word from google
@@flyntflossy3044 Which makes it all the more accurate. I am also miffed that Ismay, who directly reduced the number of lifeboats on the Titanic to an almost cursory number, had the gall to push his way in and get on a lifeboat!
I'm so proud to say I'm from Burnley which is the town tied to Wallace Hartley's birth town of Colne just down the road. His legacy is greatly celebrated in the town of Colne with memorials and even a Wetherspoons named after him (Even though he wasn't a drinker!) 2 years ago, the town hosted a beautiful memorial service outside the titanic statue with a live orchestral band playing songs of the era and the greatest local historian Simon Entwistle telling us stories of Titanic and Wallace Hartley. If History Hit ever wanted to pop over, my door is opened to you for a brew and to talk about all this Wallace Hartley :D
The point about how some of the people in the water could have been warmed up again is tragic but even if the crew had known that they probably still wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the ones who could and couldn't be revived. And just filling up with random people wouldn't have been a good tactic. They had to prioritise people who were still conscious and obviously saveable. Then again, it does put an extra sting in Jack’s fate. Maybe he was still alive as Rose watched him sink. 😮
They probably couldn't have warmed them up in an appropriate way either. It has to happen extremely slowly and in the correct sequence (I think).
Well, I just learned a few things I didn't know before, and I am glad of it. As a small child in the late 1950's, it was not unusual to hear old timers speak of the Titanic sinking. I'm still teaching, love challenging my high school students, and I'm invested in learning things like this. Awesome video!!
My great-grandfather, at the age of 17, was an apprentice painter and decorator on the Titanic.
Did he survive?
Titanic taught us that their is no such thing as unsinkable ship
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@@Wedehawk Hahaha, but no.
For a Titanic expert, he gets a few big things wrong. No, I'm not talking about the funny images that confuse Olympic for Lusitania.
1. It's generally accepted among many Titanic experts that there were 2,208 total people aboard, with 1,496 victims and 712 survivors. I know we'll never know for absolute certain, but these numbers have been totaled numerous times from independent researchers.
2. Titanic actually had 29 boilers in total.
3. Titanic took 2 hours and 40 minutes to sink, not 2 hours and 20 minutes.
4. He's correct about the usefulness of binoculars at night, but he's wrong about the binoculars that David Blair accidentally locked away. When David Blair left the ship, he accidentally locked the binoculars assigned to Titanic's second officer in his locker. Charles Lightoller evidentially brought his own aboard, since he had a pair during the voyage. The lookouts were never assigned a set from the White Star Line, but sometimes borrowed an officer's binoculars if there was a pair that was not in use.
5. Jack Thayer did not draw that rendition of Titanic breaking in half, it was actually created by an artist aboard Carpathia. Jack Thayer himself said it was not accurate to what he actually witnessed.
6. Titanic was not riddled with iron gates separating passenger classes. Those iron gates kept passengers away from crew areas and machinery. The classes were kept separate with plain wooden doors, metal bulkhead doors, bulkhead walls, ropes, and staircases. Everyone seems to ignore the emergency door that connected the grand staircase to Scotland road.
I kept asking myself, why does he keep saying it sank in 2 hours and 20 min?? Maybe he's the getting the time of the sinking (2:20 am) confused with the amount of time it took.
Also, does anyone actually think Captain Smith dived off the ship to rescue babies from the icy waters? And didn't all Inquiries chuck out the haze theory on the grounds it was uncorroborated by anyone except the lookouts who were extremely inconsistent in their testimonies?
It sunk a 2h20m aka 2:20am
@@jackiekreutzer166from impact to fully submersed
Also that the captain of the Californian went out of his way to smudge the records of his ship on the morning of April 15th so that it would appear that his ship was too far away to have been of any help. His officers saw the distress rockets but were too intimated by him to have impetus to investigate, either by waking their wireless operator or by maneuvering their ship closer.
Jack would have fitted on the door easy if Rose hadn't LEFT THE LIFEBOAT AND GOT BACK ON THE SHIP!!! Then the door only would have had to support him and they would have met on the Carpathia in a few hours. Given the fact that she DID insist on abandoning a perfectly good lifeboat seat to take up precious door space later, why didn't Jack have the sense to work with her to tear off one of the doors that were nearby when they met on the staircase and haul it up to the deck. They had some time to choose a large door and they could have positioned themselves on it, floating away on it when the ship disappeared below them.
Good point
Yup selfish crazy woman
There were no locked metal gates between second and third class on the Titanic. It was against British Board of Trade rules to lock in passengers. That said, there were closed doors and unmarked crew passages that Third class could have gone through but did not know about. There were no directions to the boat deck, (a long trip through a maze from D, E and F decks to the boat deck), emergency exits were not marked, there were language barriers and there was no public address system. Third Class generally stayed where they were waiting for instructions from the crew which were slow in coming.
Titanic’s sinking was a perfect storm of “everything that could have gone wrong” mixed with “what should have been done in hindsight”
It was a devastating waste of life, but the consequence was that the maritime world woke up and took shit seriously after that.
Just saw a short doco on the Carpathia, which is an interesting part of the story.
Kinda sad that she ended up sinking herself. Damn those U-boats!
@@missyouwish88 True. I didn't know that before.
@@andrewstevenson118Just like sharing the knowledge.
Fun Fact: Bob Ballard found her remains, too.
@@missyouwish88 Oh, is that right? He's a pretty cool dude. The Lusitania is a good (and tragic) story too. I have a big book on it, called "Wilful Moider" [sic]
Eva Hart said the musicians played 'Nearer my God to Thee' and they could hear it from the lifeboats. She said she couldn't hear that song after that night without having panic attacks
Thank you so much. I learned a lot. Very interesting.
I was listening to a History Hit podcast and someone said those same atmospheric issues he discusses from 14:35 onwards also impacted Robert Falcon Scott's doomed polar expedition
David Blair was not fired by Smith. He was removed from the Titanic roster by White Star Line (quite a common practise) & placed on another ship. He continued to serve WSL, later even alongside Titanic's surviving officer Lightoller. And yes, there were indeed plenty of binoculars on Titanic that night, if they'd needed some, they'd gotten them easily.
I think he probably means he was fired from his position on titanic only, a term used slightly different to these days
Fantastic thorough explanations. Well worth the extra time. More of those, please.
Practicably? I had to Google that word as I thought he made it up 😂🙄
This is like a really grim infomercial for the Titanic sinking. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! I had no idea it was this crazy. Truly a macabre comedy of errors and circumstances.
Great video. However, when you show a picture of the 'Lusitania', that is actually a picture of one of the olympic lines. The actual olympic if I'm not mistaken.
It was the R.M.S. Olympic, yes
I love how passionate this guy is!
When you come to Belfast, you notice straight away that this city built the Titanic. Cause it's 2024 and they still pride themselves on a 112 year old maiden voyage shipwreck.
Hey, she was alright when she left there
@@Sabrinajaine But...but they forgot to make it unsinkable!
Titanic sank 2 hours and 40 minutes after hitting the iceberg. Hit iceberg at 11:40 PM, sank at 2:20 AM
There’s a few inaccurate statements here. The one that got me the most was the claim about Britannic being originally called Gigantic, it’s only believed by some people. However WSL denied this, and there are records dating back to 1911 where the ship was always called Britannic. There’s absolutely no evidence that the ship was going to be named Gigantic
Excited to see History Hit making content like this
What for children you mean?
Great episode, thank you. I have a question: How many people died shortly after they were recused (pneumonia etc)?
As far as I'm aware all passengers taken aboard Carpathia survived the trip to New York. Some developed long term health complications from which they never recovered. Such as Archibald Gracie who died 8 months after the sinking, just after finishing one of the first books about the sinking. Several people died in the lifeboats during the night,. Particularly aboard the swamped collapsible A, and the overturned Collapsible B.
@@RyanE8787Exactly. Turns out standing overnight in -2°C/29°F water isn't good for anybody, let alone Gracie's diabetes
I think 1/2 people died after going in the boat
I really enjoyed this video, but I'm now so disappointed how they portrayed captain Smith's demise on the movie. His true story is so much more heroic. It would have been such a better story if they showed captain Smith trying to save the baby of the woman who had earlier asked him to help her.
Jack was NOT based on Jack Thayer. Utter nonsense.
I'd like seeing a source on this in either direction. I've heard he was loosely based on a passenger (which could be as loose as "a passenger named Jack who drew" for a long time, but assumed it was as reliable as any other movie rumor. But hearing an expert on it lends some weight to it. Though he didn't provide a source, but neither is the person saying it's nonsense. Is there anything from Cameron to verify either direction?
@@jakebeach8308Anyone can be a self-proclaimed expert. James Cameron stated on the commentary track he based the character of Jack on a young Jack London, the famous author, who was never a passenger on Titanic. Jack Thayer was a wealthy teenager sailing aboard Titanic with his parents, he shares nothing with Jack Dawson except his name. That’s like claiming Rose’s mother Ruth is based on second class survivor Ruth Becker. Completely ridiculous.
I really enjoyed the nuanced answers and explanations. Everything i was taught and shown as a kid demonized the crew things like locking up 3rd class not launching all the life boats etc. Its nice to hear actually there was a lot of thought and care put into trying to do right by everyone as best they could in such a terrible situation
I had the same takeaway, everyone was more competent and reasonable in his telling than in others’. Hindsight being 20/20.
This was great.
So sad that every thing that happened that night made a disaster happen.
At 3:25 whilst talking about the watertight compartments, a photo is displayed of a ship with a gaping hole in the bow with the caption "RMS Britannic". This is incorrect as the picture is actually showing the RMS Olympic after it had collided with HMS Hawke in 1911
They couldn't really photograph Titanic after she sunk,but well spotted.
I was just going to comment this
@@pheart2381what?
@@pheart2381That has nothing to do with the point being made. They mislabelled the ship in the image.
there were extremely few.photos taken on board the Titanic prior to that voyage. That's more than likely the reason for the mislabeling of those photos
It's unlikely the Californian would have reached the Titanic in time to have any effect on the number of survivors. It took them almost 4 hours to get there the next morning, in daylight. Even if they had steamed as quickly as possible they likely wouldn't have arrived until just after the stern sank, and too late to rescue anyone in the water. The Californian incident did however highlight the need for 24-hour wireless operation and standardization of distress signals.
Well, I’m pretty sure they could have helped since they saw the distress flares in the sky - which means that they were pretty close to Titanic actually
@@whillard2447 the Californian was a very small ship. They could hold maybe another 100 people. Which would have been helpful but there still would’ve been 1400 people needing rescue.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 I doubt they'd have even rescued that many. In 1941 it took HMS Dorsetshire an hour to rescue 85 survivors from Bismarck. They were healthy young men, in relatively warm water, in daylight.
@@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325 Yet much smaller vessels, not designed to accommodate large numbers, were able to lift 800+ people in a single lift from Dunkirk in 1940. I refer you to any of the destroyers used there.
He is wrong that third class passengers had a better chance of surviving. 78% of third class passengers died. 58% of second class passengers died. Because there were so many more people in third class, the total number of who survived in third class was greater than the total number of people who survived in second class, namely 172 versus 111. But that is not relevant. What is relevant is the percentage, and this guy seems to be ignorant of basic mathematics.
Also, the claim that someone's hair can turn gray overnight is false. The hair that has already grown out will not change overnight. This guy knows a lot, but he also makes some big errors.
Something about Tim Maltin's tone and cadence is so soothing.
Its such a chain of unfortunate incidents. So many points of split decision... what if...what if...
Not really; it wasn't rocket science to avoid speeding through an ice field dotted with icebergs, actually. It was reckless abandon by a captain with no regard for anything except his misconception that the ship was somehow unsinkable.
@egm8602 that was one of the things that didn't help for sure.
One contributing factor to why Titanic kept such a high speed might have been that White Star offices in New York had complained multiple times (to the main office in England, i.e. to Bruce Ismay) that they had difficulties in maintaining the sailing schedule due to long loading/turnaround times at the New York pier. I.e., the time available in port in order to reset the ship for the next voyage was so short that they demanded that the ships (the Olympic and Titanic) must arrive at New York as early as possible.