She said he was objectively the worst because he killed hos wives and changed the church. Even educated women are irrational in their logic. Bloody Mary didn't kill lots of people and cause religious persecution? Lol
Perfectly put! Terrible and violent people of the past are fascinating figures to learn about, and there's an equal amount of reason to study and teach about them as there is about what are considered more altruistic figures. 👍
This woman’s accent is fascinating! I want to know if she’s someone from the UK who lives in North America, or someone from North America who lives in the UK. Her accent is a mixture of both.
I'm from Missouri and have lived in the US my entire life. People have picked out a lot of English phrases, spoken as English people do, in my conversation. I really like British comedy and it infiltrates.
@@allenwilson3329 agreed. I definitely get a sour taste in my mouth when I see narrators inject that agenda (same with a far-right agenda) into history videos, but I only heard widely-accepted facts in this video.
Queen Elizabeth II can trace her paternal line back to Henry 8th’s older sister Margaret Tudor, and also trace her maternal line back to Henry 8th’s younger sister Mary Tudor. So the current House of Windsor such as King Charles and Prince William are all descendants of BOTH of Henry 8th’s sisters.
@51countrymix The house of Hanover came to the throne because they were the senior protestant heirs to the throne. There were many others who were higher in the line of succession but they were all either Catholic or married to Catholics. And the Hanoverians were still descendents of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. They were directly descended from Elizabeth Stuart, James VI/I's daughter, and Margaret Tudor Queen of Scots' Great-Great-grandaughter. Thus George I was a Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandson of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. And the current royal family are the direct descendents of the George I. The coat of arms of the Monarch of the UK still includes tudor roses for this reason. And Charles III uses the Tudor Crown in his royal cypher.
@51countrymix I'm genuinely sorry; I didn't mean to come across as adversarial -- I do understand that you were just going on what your lecturer had told you! I was really just trying to explain in a clear way how your lecturer was mistaken -- and indeed it's a very easy mistake to make! (the historian in this very video seems to make this mistake by being unsure of who the living descendents of the Tudors are (clearly not quite remembering that every English and Scottish Monarch has been a descendent of Henry VII since 1509 & 1513 respectively)). Again, I'm genuinely sorry if I gave the impression of hostility; that wasn't my intention!
@VersteheNZThe House of Hanover descended from James 1 and VI, whose own claim comes from Henry VII. George I’s grandmother was James I’d daughter. The present royal family are descended from Henry VII’s marriage to Elizabeth of York I think your lecturer needs to do a lot more reading of English/Scottish history if he didn’t teach you this.
and absolutely wrong. All Windsor monarchs are descendants of Henry VII Tudor. Prince William is the first Charles II descendants who will became a king.
@@jelenajs5017 how is it wrong? She specifically said that he will be the first descendant of Henry the EIGHTH since Elizabeth I, not the first Tudor descendant. The Windsors are descendants from the 7th as you said through one of his daughters. She's referencing William's mother in her statement. Those are two different branches.
I highly encourage everyone to read Dr. Paul's book. The House of Dudley makes for very compelling reading and her prose is just as engaging as her commentary in this video. She was also on an episode of Not Just the Tudors discussing the book, and her conversation with Prof. Lipscomb is one of the best about the Tudor period I've come across.
Henry VII was a very under-rated king. Not only did he help end and stabilise the country after 30 years of the Wars of the Roses, but he also managed to quell any future uprisings such as the Battle of Barnet, and pretenders like Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel.
Yeah, people sleep on him! There couldn’t have been a Tudor era if it was another Hundred Years War situation. Keeping the boat from tipping must have been incredibly difficult, but he managed it. A daughter in Scotland, a daughter in France, and even after losing Arthur, he had Henry to keep the dynasty going. He also left Henry a full treasury. But… uhhh, how he came by all that gold was maybe… not the *best* policy. We won’t talk about that here. 😂
“The House of Dudley” by Dr Joanne Paul is definitely something I would recommend if you love Tudor politics and drama. She writes in this very intriguing way which leaves you wanting more from these people who died like 500 years ago 😭 #JohnDudleyRobbed #JaneDudleyIcon I hope that this video means she’s publishing something new soon!
a great presentation - enthusiastic, articulate and knowledgeable. Going to watch it again tonight. BTW, Ford Motors Canada used to produce a motor vehicle called a Mercury Tudor. I'm afraid it was not very good.
I enjoyed this video completely. I know a lot about the tudors. I knew most of what you talked about, but it was fun to hear you explain things with details I hadn’t heard about. And of course I learned some new things. Prince William being descended from Henry VIII is super cool.
@@karinebrochu2698she said possibly as the Carey children from Mary Bolyen are the only ones no one is certain who the father is and Diana I believe is decended from the daughter Catherine Carey.
It’d be like a Redpill podcast! He’d be drunkenly ranting about ‘high value women’ and how their only purpose was to marry and generate babies (while engaging in homoerotic ‘let’s see who has the meatiest calves,’ competitions).
About whether Tudor England is medieval or not I took a history course in university called Early Modern England. The course started in 1485 when Henry Tudor too the throne.
Where were interesting teachers like her when I went to college? My art history teacher was awesome and my film teacher. But she’d make me change my major 20 years ago.
I don't believe that Henry VIII starting the Church of England was a bad thing long term. Making sure you aren't subject to Rome's whims seems like a great decision long term. It appears to me that the Protestant countries objectively developed better than Catholic countries and gave way to the age of Enlightenment much quicker than the Catholic nations.
The biggest change the Tudors brought was the beginnings of parliament being the centre of legislative government. Henry VIII empowered Parliament to bring about the break from Rome. He set parliamentary rule on track , and a little over 100 years Parliament challenged the King and won. Then within 150 years of the parliamentary changes of the 1530s, a constitutional monarchy is established.
I'm convinced that Richard III lost the battle of Bosworth Field because everyone in England wanted it to happen. You can call it karma or poetic justice but he murdered those kids and everyone knew it. Now is the winter of our discontent.
Generally Richard III was a decent enough king and after around 30 years of on and off civil war any stability probably would have been viewed largely favorably. Also the significant propaganda campaign to demonize Richard suggests that the Tudors knew there was still sympathy enough for him to jeopardize their rule. Realistically Henry likely was thankful Richard (probably) had those princes killed because otherwise he would have done it himself, rival claimants to the throne didn’t have long life expectancies during that period.
@@awilk418 it's also far from certain that he did kill them. In fact. They recently held a trial with major historical research involved that found him not guilty. It's quite possible Henry himself killed them and simply blamed Richard. They would have been a bigger threat to Henry's rule than they even were to Richard.
@@shortlivedglory3314 I have heard this argument although I hadn't heard of the trial. My only thing with that is that no one had seen the princes in a couple years when Henry came back to England. Evidence that Richard actually killed them is circumstantial I will grant you, but it seems most likely to me that he had them killed after the failed attempt to free them. I don't doubt Henry would have killed them, I just don't see the timeline lining up well for it. At the end of the day we just have a bunch of rumors and hearsay though so who knows.
actually many nobles in and outside of England remaind loyal Yorkists at heart, possibly because they just didn't like Henry but who knows. As for the rest of the population below the genrty it's likeley they didn't even know who the king was unless a representative (or in Hnerys case the king himself) presented themselves. Although even then they either wouldn't of much cared or would of been too busy. Also again with the Princes in the Tower it has been mentioned but Henry had much more reason to kill them given they would of been heir to the throne and given they had only been dead a few years by the time richard was usurped it is likely anyone questioned their whereabout, they were still children after all and so not expected to be out in society also links to my other point even if people did suspect they had been killed most people simply wouldn't care unless they saw it as a means to arise anger over either henry or more commonly seen richard
All of Henry VIII wives (except maybe Jane) were more exceptional than him. Especially Catherine of Aragon, Anne Bolyen and Catherine Parr. Anne of Cleves was definitely smarter than him and poor Catherine Howard never got the chance to really shine.
Kind of shocked that smallpox was left off the illness list when it had such an impact on QE1? But yes to sweating sickness. Arguably uprooted the dynasty.
Really interesting answer about violence! I would have thought most violence took the form of crime, warfare, and civil unrest (riots etc.). Of course violent punishments were also commonplace, but I was surprised to hear that accounted for the majority since I'd guess most crimes went unpunished (as now), especially given the absence of anything like a modern police force. There was also a fair amount of warfare and riots in that period.
@@jelenajs5017HRVIII might have had grandkids by unacknowledged illegitimate children. As Dr. P notes, Diana’s ancestor is thought to have been Henry’s child, but without DNA testing we can’t be sure. That possible ancestress was Lady Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn, Anne’s sister, who was Henry’s mistress, before her marriage to William Carey.
@@blastulae The historian provided wrong information. She doesn't know William's ancestors well. Henry VIII didn't have any grandchildren, legitimate or illegitimate.
@@jelenajs5017 You keep copy/pasting this same thing over and over again as if it is a personal affront to you. As another poster said, there is a lot of speculation about H8's illegitimate children, of which there were many.
I love her. Her expression when talking about male fashion during Lizzie 2's reign and referring back to the cod pieces of Henry 8. The best however is: 'An inglorious death' when dying from dysentery - that is hilarious. (Dysentery = you shit and puke yourself to death)
Did Dr. Paul initially have an Irish/UK accent? I feel like I hear it in some of her words. Crazy to witness how a UK accent morphs into an American one over time. Especially with actors like Dan Radcliffe.
In regard to Tudor people bathing and smelling, back in the late 90s I took a tour of Hampton Court when there were very few tourists there. I essentially walked through the palace on my own. When I reached the front by the river, I walked into a large room where there was a female guard/guide who announced that I had just walked into Queen Elizabeth's private bath and living quarters. Being a bit irreverent, I asked the guide how often did Queen Elizabeth take a bath. The guide replied in almost a mechanical manner that Queen Elizabeth had a bath twice per year whether she needed it or not. So, it the queen had two baths per year, I have to believe that most people then had one bath per year, or per two or three years. I would imagine that anyone in the perfume business back then could have made a lot of money.
I thought all the private rooms of the Tudors were long gone. Pulled down by the Palace that was going to result in the removal of all the Tudor palace
Not quite. Thing is they had a different conception of what being clean was. They wore a chemise (think of it as a knee length shirt) as their underwear. It was made of linen and I remember seeing someone test out that for about 1 month (I don't recall the YT channel) and to her surprise, after not bathing for 1 month, she didn't smell at all. Linen seems to be exceptionally good at absorbing sweat and dirt. They would change the linens quite often. This idea that everyone smelled is incorrect, they just had different techniques of staying clean. Soap did exist, but they believed that bathing (the way we do it) would open the skin pores and allow disease into the body. But no, they weren't all smelling like toilets. Human beings dislike and have always disliked (it's a natural inborn repulsion) bad smells which Tudors associated with disease.
@@octavianpopescu4776 im sure diet added to it as well. Most people didnt have access to processed foods as we know them today. The once a year thing is simply wrong, though. The quote was "once a month" and the validity of that statement is contested among historians. It's thought to be a joke whose basis has been lost to time or perhaps a reference to a therapeutic bath administered by a doctor. She was considered vain so i have a hard time believing she went around reeking like B.O. p.s. not arguing with you, just wanting to add to the convo but am aware info-dumping doesnt always come across as friendly
Book seems worth reading! Great vid. One thing confused me a bit though. Henry VIII, a terrible king? I know he was a brutal tyrant who killed many, but I've heard other historians represent that he brought England forward into the modern age.
Yeah I find this modern thinking of Henry VIII being dismissed as terrible a little strange when he's often seen as the most significant King in English history. It sometimes makes me wonder if a brutal tyrant was needed to start the changes that would benefit England in the long-run.
Fascinating video, thank you Dr Paul. Although it’s important to note, that women weren’t all victims of the patriarchy. Margaret Beaufort herself maneuvered to secure the disputed crown for her son Henry VII. A generation before her, Eleanor of Aquitaine was an extremely powerful political force. Certainly, laws weren’t on the side of women, but there have always been exceptional women who figured out how to achieve their goals despite these laws.
I've had a fascination with the Tudors since I was a teen, and the show the Tudors was popular then and I just got more fascinated specifically Anne Boleyn. And my dad loves to do ancestory so for fun he did our family, funny enough he learned that Anne is his 14th cousin and my 15th. We also are descended from Thomas Stanley. But some of our family choose to go to America on the Mayflower 😔So no estates for us. But anyway, I'm still mad at Henry for beheading my cousin... even though it was 488 years ago.
Always love these. Am now going to learn more about Henry 7th and his 'boring but important' legislative actions. Interesting that race was not seen as a big deal back then. Who am I to question an expert but I find it hard to believe that an African pottering about England in the 1500s wouldn't at least be of some interest to people in an era before harmful stereotypes and prejudicial thinking about African people became widespread.
My understanding is that actual racial profiling and the separating of races didn't begin until the 1700's when white scientists decided to designate whites as the more superior of the different "races". Sickening.
People would obviously be curious, but racism was born as a result of race-based slavery. Before that, they would have probably seen an African just like any other foreigner. Now, stereotypes did exist towards foreigners, but English people had them towards Spanish and French people in particular (their traditional rivals and enemies). This was a point in time when England had no colonies outside of the British Isles. The first surviving colony was Jamestown in 1607, so after the Tudors were gone.
The intriguing/scary thing about the Sweating Sickness is that we still don’t know what caused it. Reportedly, health people could start showing symptoms in the morning and be dead by the next or the end of the day. There were 5 outbreaks of it starting in 1485 and then it vanished. Several different viruses/diseases have been proposed but none is close to definitive.
As soon as the question about whether the Tudor line still existed was asked, I knew the answer was yes because I’m one of the people who can trace their ancestry back to Henry VII. I can trace my lineage back to him through Mary, Queen of Scots.
Jane was Queen. I don't even think it's a matter of opinion. Basically the succession was regulated through the 2nd and 3rd Succession Acts and here's the thing about them: they placed Mary and Elizabeth back in the succession, but they were never legitimised (Henry being a douche till the end), so legally they were still bastards and bastards weren't allowed to inherit anything, especially the crown. So, there were laws directly contradicting one another. Now, the 2nd Act said that the King could alter the succession through letters patent as he saw fit. Parliament gave him that authority. If Henry could do it as King, why not Edward? They were both equally Kings. Edward was still a minor and could not decide such a thing on his own and needed his council's approval... which he got. The Device for the Succession was co-signed by all councillors and others (over 100 people in total). So, legally... Jane was the Queen. I get that morally, Mary had a greater right, but in law, no she didn't.
7:03 On a wider point, I think everyone with European ancestry has at least one direct ancestor who is royalty or high noble. Bastards or legitimate are exactly the same thing. 10 miles from Raglan Castle, Monmouthshire, South Wales I traced my ancestors back to a large farm in Penallt village 1700. My paternal Herbert ancestors were Hussars for hundreds of years right up to WW2. My theory is the English civil war had left Castle Herbert in ruins and I'm probably a descendant of the wider Herbert family that remained after Raglan Castle was destroyed.
Thank you so much for bringing up the average age issue. It drives me crazy because so many people don't understand how the infant mortality rate drives down the average. Because risk of death was very real for pregnant women, I wouldn't use the if you lived to your 30s you would have a long life in regard to women. But definitely if you survived your childbearing years, you had good odds of living into your 70s or 80s.
If you made it to 35 in Tudor times you would have a greater chance of reaching your 50s, 60s, 70s and beyond than a Tudor infant. However the very same things that lead to high infant mortality would increasingly affect people as they aged past their prime. Poor nutrition, poor sanitation, diseases with no cure for yet, injuries from hard labour and conflict. I had Whooping cough as an infant. 1 in 125 infants with Whooping Cough die, but for others who survive many are severely weakened and live a life of increasingly ill health. 50% of infants who had Whooping Cough die before we are 50. Reaching 40s things like heart attacks and strokes become much more common, and if you are already severely weakened your chances of survival drastically diminish. That very same hard life is what Tudor people lived with. Surviving as your body aged would be very difficult in a Tudor environment. So the chances of reaching 50s, 60s and beyond wouldn't be great.
Queen Elizabeth II is also a descendant of Catherine Carey through her mother. Catherine Carey was a child of Mary Boleyn (Anne Boleyn's sister), and some historians also believe she could have been fathered by Henry VIII. Thus, technically, the descendants of Henry VIII could very well be on the throne already. Furthermore, the current monarchs are also descendants of Henry VII through his daughter Margaret.
Diana was a descended from Mary Boleyn through her daughter Catherine. Sarah also is also a descendant of Mary Boleyn as well. There is a theory which is pushed hard by Phillipa Gregory that Catherine Knolley (née Carey) was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Boleyn and Henry VIII. That is how if true a descendant of Henry would be on the throne in William as Diana was the descendant of Catherine Knolley through Catherine daughter Lettice. Charles isn’t a descendant of Catherine.
They were introduced into England by Sir Walter Raleigh, in Elizabeth’s reign. He then introduced them into Ireland, where they eventually became a staple there. They were not really grown in England until well after the Tudor era ended
This joke confused me at first until i realised its pronounced differently with the hard t that americans use. I was wondering what tutors she was on about at the start until I relaised she was saing Tudor.
The head of the bar that Shakespeare liked to visit was run by a Black woman. Upstart Crow was accurate on that account. I looked it up. Abd al-Wahid bin Masoud bin Muhammad al-Annuri who is said to maybe have inspired Othello? Elizabeth I herself also made comment about "too many" Black people in London. (though not those exact words, it's easy to look up).
I really don't understand why people think past peoples didn't wash. You would smell just as bad in your sweat crusted clothes 1000 years ago as you would today, no one likes bad smelling people, it's not cultural it's biological
If she were to teach people personally she'd be a Tudor tutor
👏🏼💪🏼🫶🏼😆😍
Good one 😂
She is one
Yeah that’s what a tutor is..?
Love the honesty of the presenter. Henry VIII is a fun guy to study but is clearly and objectively a terrible ruler and person.
She said he was objectively the worst because he killed hos wives and changed the church. Even educated women are irrational in their logic. Bloody Mary didn't kill lots of people and cause religious persecution? Lol
Perfectly put! Terrible and violent people of the past are fascinating figures to learn about, and there's an equal amount of reason to study and teach about them as there is about what are considered more altruistic figures. 👍
He was a despot.
I snorted at how blunt she was about Henry VIII lol. It's all true, but the delivery was great
Rubbish.
That was a lot of fun- you absolutely have to bring her back!
This woman’s accent is fascinating! I want to know if she’s someone from the UK who lives in North America, or someone from North America who lives in the UK. Her accent is a mixture of both.
I believe Dr Paul is from Canada originally, but is a long term UK resident!
Was thinking the same and can hear element of an English accent
I'm from Missouri and have lived in the US my entire life. People have picked out a lot of English phrases, spoken as English people do, in my
conversation. I really like British comedy and it infiltrates.
Hearing her say “knickers” in her accent spun me!
Ta.. I got Canadian
Dr Joanne, you are a shining example of an educator whose passion for her job really shines! I would have LOVED to take classes from you in college ❤😭
Whose passion for a woke agenda
@@shadowmoon1657 I hate the woke agenda probably as much as you, but I didn't actually detect any of that nonsense in this particular video.
@shadowmoon1657 Define woke. Oh wait, you can’t, can you? Keep crying
@@allenwilson3329 agreed. I definitely get a sour taste in my mouth when I see narrators inject that agenda (same with a far-right agenda) into history videos, but I only heard widely-accepted facts in this video.
@@shadowmoon1657 What are you even talking about dude lmao
Queen Elizabeth II can trace her paternal line back to Henry 8th’s older sister Margaret Tudor, and also trace her maternal line back to Henry 8th’s younger sister Mary Tudor. So the current House of Windsor such as King Charles and Prince William are all descendants of BOTH of Henry 8th’s sisters.
@51countrymix The house of Hanover came to the throne because they were the senior protestant heirs to the throne. There were many others who were higher in the line of succession but they were all either Catholic or married to Catholics. And the Hanoverians were still descendents of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. They were directly descended from Elizabeth Stuart, James VI/I's daughter, and Margaret Tudor Queen of Scots' Great-Great-grandaughter. Thus George I was a Great-Great-Great-Great-Great-Grandson of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York. And the current royal family are the direct descendents of the George I.
The coat of arms of the Monarch of the UK still includes tudor roses for this reason. And Charles III uses the Tudor Crown in his royal cypher.
@51countrymix I'm genuinely sorry; I didn't mean to come across as adversarial -- I do understand that you were just going on what your lecturer had told you! I was really just trying to explain in a clear way how your lecturer was mistaken -- and indeed it's a very easy mistake to make! (the historian in this very video seems to make this mistake by being unsure of who the living descendents of the Tudors are (clearly not quite remembering that every English and Scottish Monarch has been a descendent of Henry VII since 1509 & 1513 respectively)).
Again, I'm genuinely sorry if I gave the impression of hostility; that wasn't my intention!
@VersteheNZThe House of Hanover descended from James 1 and VI, whose own claim comes from Henry VII. George I’s grandmother was James I’d daughter.
The present royal family are descended from Henry VII’s marriage to Elizabeth of York
I think your lecturer needs to do a lot more reading of English/Scottish history if he didn’t teach you this.
the fun fact about Prince William at the end is awesome~
and absolutely wrong. All Windsor monarchs are descendants of Henry VII Tudor. Prince William is the first Charles II descendants who will became a king.
Exactly, through his mother Diana Spencer.
@@jelenajs5017 how is it wrong? She specifically said that he will be the first descendant of Henry the EIGHTH since Elizabeth I, not the first Tudor descendant. The Windsors are descendants from the 7th as you said through one of his daughters. She's referencing William's mother in her statement. Those are two different branches.
Yes!!
@@AlleenLoveHope Henry VIII didn't have any grandchildren at all. It's one of main problems during Tudor era.
I highly encourage everyone to read Dr. Paul's book. The House of Dudley makes for very compelling reading and her prose is just as engaging as her commentary in this video. She was also on an episode of Not Just the Tudors discussing the book, and her conversation with Prof. Lipscomb is one of the best about the Tudor period I've come across.
Which episode was she in?
@@josephrobinson6171Episode 104
I love this historian, she's an amazing professor. She makes it sound so interesting it's like she was there.
Henry VII was a very under-rated king. Not only did he help end and stabilise the country after 30 years of the Wars of the Roses, but he also managed to quell any future uprisings such as the Battle of Barnet, and pretenders like Perkin Warbeck and Lambert Simnel.
Yeah, people sleep on him! There couldn’t have been a Tudor era if it was another Hundred Years War situation. Keeping the boat from tipping must have been incredibly difficult, but he managed it. A daughter in Scotland, a daughter in France, and even after losing Arthur, he had Henry to keep the dynasty going.
He also left Henry a full treasury. But… uhhh, how he came by all that gold was maybe… not the *best* policy. We won’t talk about that here. 😂
He was also kiiiind of a miser
Weren't many of the achievements often attributed to Henry VIII managed by a non noble advisor?
I love her and the way she talks keeps me hooked. I wish she was my teacher I would have loved history 😂
Oh I LOVE this expert! This is the 2ed or 3rd video with her I've seen. She has an entertaining way to her answers.
“The House of Dudley” by Dr Joanne Paul is definitely something I would recommend if you love Tudor politics and drama. She writes in this very intriguing way which leaves you wanting more from these people who died like 500 years ago 😭
#JohnDudleyRobbed #JaneDudleyIcon
I hope that this video means she’s publishing something new soon!
Agreed I love John and Jane Dudley too.
Lots of love for England and Britain from halfway across the world! Cheers, everyone!
Good questions, answered very well. The little snippet about Prince William was very interesting.
a great presentation - enthusiastic, articulate and knowledgeable. Going to watch it again tonight. BTW, Ford Motors Canada used to produce a motor vehicle called a Mercury Tudor. I'm afraid it was not very good.
You should actually read about all the things she left out on purpose. Queen Mary I, all these “religious” problems. She’s a fake historian.
Probably because it was a Ford, not because of its name!
She needs to expand her knowledge about Tudor's descendants.
Great job by Dr Joanne
one of my favourite obscure tudor history facts was that one time elizabeth i ditched a meeting to watch robert dudley play tennis lol
I enjoyed this video completely. I know a lot about the tudors. I knew most of what you talked about, but it was fun to hear you explain things with details I hadn’t heard about. And of course I learned some new things. Prince William being descended from Henry VIII is super cool.
Henry VIII didn't have any grandchildren. Prince William is a descendant of Henry VII (as his father, grandmother, etc.)
@@jelenajs5017 yep, my mistake. I added too many I’s.
@@jelenajs5017the historian said H8 for William. Not thru his father but is mother (Lady Di) descending from an illegitimate child of H8.
@@karinebrochu2698she said possibly as the Carey children from Mary Bolyen are the only ones no one is certain who the father is and Diana I believe is decended from the daughter Catherine Carey.
This presenter is brilliant. Smart and candid. Shame no one asked, "Which Tudor would you go for a pint with?" as that's obvious Henry VIII.
And terrible, “woke “ and left several facts behind to preserve her vision. Specially the burning of protestants.
BEFORE the jousting injury. After that, he's mentally compromised, unable to govern his temper, and paranoid in the extreme.
@@evanhughes7609well said! Can you imagine what H8 would be like drunk?🤣
It’d be like a Redpill podcast! He’d be drunkenly ranting about ‘high value women’ and how their only purpose was to marry and generate babies (while engaging in homoerotic ‘let’s see who has the meatiest calves,’ competitions).
@@evanhughes7609 Not to mention his smelly, festering wounds.
Loved this, really interesting!! Thank you
3:20 that dot could not be further from Pembroke castle and that painting certainly isn't Pembroke 😂
The Doc’s brilliant, more please
Enjoyed this very much. Thank you
Please come back Dr. Joanne! This was great!
she did so good!!! would kill for a part 2 x
About whether Tudor England is medieval or not I took a history course in university called Early Modern England. The course started in 1485 when Henry Tudor too the throne.
Dr Paul rocks. Great personality.
I had no idea they didn't call themselves "Tudor" and I think myself somewhat knowledgeable about the tudors
It was even used as a kind of derogatory term by Richard to emphasise the welshness and obscurity of their house in an effort to deligitimise them.
6.41 "Kills a bunch of wives..." 🤣😆😄😅
@@genericcommenter1267 I' haven't heard or read about this until now. Love learning new things.
Where were interesting teachers like her when I went to college? My art history teacher was awesome and my film teacher. But she’d make me change my major 20 years ago.
I don't believe that Henry VIII starting the Church of England was a bad thing long term. Making sure you aren't subject to Rome's whims seems like a great decision long term. It appears to me that the Protestant countries objectively developed better than Catholic countries and gave way to the age of Enlightenment much quicker than the Catholic nations.
Great questions and answers!
The biggest change the Tudors brought was the beginnings of parliament being the centre of legislative government. Henry VIII empowered Parliament to bring about the break from Rome. He set parliamentary rule on track , and a little over 100 years Parliament challenged the King and won. Then within 150 years of the parliamentary changes of the 1530s, a constitutional monarchy is established.
I'm convinced that Richard III lost the battle of Bosworth Field because everyone in England wanted it to happen. You can call it karma or poetic justice but he murdered those kids and everyone knew it. Now is the winter of our discontent.
Generally Richard III was a decent enough king and after around 30 years of on and off civil war any stability probably would have been viewed largely favorably. Also the significant propaganda campaign to demonize Richard suggests that the Tudors knew there was still sympathy enough for him to jeopardize their rule. Realistically Henry likely was thankful Richard (probably) had those princes killed because otherwise he would have done it himself, rival claimants to the throne didn’t have long life expectancies during that period.
@@awilk418 it's also far from certain that he did kill them. In fact. They recently held a trial with major historical research involved that found him not guilty. It's quite possible Henry himself killed them and simply blamed Richard. They would have been a bigger threat to Henry's rule than they even were to Richard.
@@shortlivedglory3314 I have heard this argument although I hadn't heard of the trial. My only thing with that is that no one had seen the princes in a couple years when Henry came back to England. Evidence that Richard actually killed them is circumstantial I will grant you, but it seems most likely to me that he had them killed after the failed attempt to free them. I don't doubt Henry would have killed them, I just don't see the timeline lining up well for it. At the end of the day we just have a bunch of rumors and hearsay though so who knows.
actually many nobles in and outside of England remaind loyal Yorkists at heart, possibly because they just didn't like Henry but who knows. As for the rest of the population below the genrty it's likeley they didn't even know who the king was unless a representative (or in Hnerys case the king himself) presented themselves. Although even then they either wouldn't of much cared or would of been too busy. Also again with the Princes in the Tower it has been mentioned but Henry had much more reason to kill them given they would of been heir to the throne and given they had only been dead a few years by the time richard was usurped it is likely anyone questioned their whereabout, they were still children after all and so not expected to be out in society also links to my other point even if people did suspect they had been killed most people simply wouldn't care unless they saw it as a means to arise anger over either henry or more commonly seen richard
This was awesome!!! You did such a great job!!!
All of Henry VIII wives (except maybe Jane) were more exceptional than him. Especially Catherine of Aragon, Anne Bolyen and Catherine Parr. Anne of Cleves was definitely smarter than him and poor Catherine Howard never got the chance to really shine.
Kind of shocked that smallpox was left off the illness list when it had such an impact on QE1? But yes to sweating sickness. Arguably uprooted the dynasty.
Really interesting answer about violence! I would have thought most violence took the form of crime, warfare, and civil unrest (riots etc.). Of course violent punishments were also commonplace, but I was surprised to hear that accounted for the majority since I'd guess most crimes went unpunished (as now), especially given the absence of anything like a modern police force. There was also a fair amount of warfare and riots in that period.
This was really fun to watch, and that tidbit about Prince William sealed it!
that tidbit about Prince William is an error. She mixed Charles II with Henry VIII (who didn't have any grandchildren).
@@jelenajs5017HRVIII might have had grandkids by unacknowledged illegitimate children. As Dr. P notes, Diana’s ancestor is thought to have been Henry’s child, but without DNA testing we can’t be sure.
That possible ancestress was Lady Catherine Carey, daughter of Mary Boleyn, Anne’s sister, who was Henry’s mistress, before her marriage to William Carey.
@@blastulae The historian provided wrong information. She doesn't know William's ancestors well. Henry VIII didn't have any grandchildren, legitimate or illegitimate.
@@jelenajs5017well, when it comes to illegitimate who can really say…
@@jelenajs5017 You keep copy/pasting this same thing over and over again as if it is a personal affront to you. As another poster said, there is a lot of speculation about H8's illegitimate children, of which there were many.
Great educator and great video! Thank you!
Love how the map points to somewhere in the Brecon Beacons and not to Pembroke in Pembrokeshire
I love her. Her expression when talking about male fashion during Lizzie 2's reign and referring back to the cod pieces of Henry 8.
The best however is: 'An inglorious death' when dying from dysentery - that is hilarious. (Dysentery = you shit and puke yourself to death)
Very good and entertaining 👏
LOVE this series
Did Dr. Paul initially have an Irish/UK accent? I feel like I hear it in some of her words.
Crazy to witness how a UK accent morphs into an American one over time. Especially with actors like Dan Radcliffe.
She is Canadian, long term resident in the UK
i love her earrings 😩
In regard to Tudor people bathing and smelling, back in the late 90s I took a tour of Hampton Court when there were very few tourists there. I essentially walked through the palace on my own. When I reached the front by the river, I walked into a large room where there was a female guard/guide who announced that I had just walked into Queen Elizabeth's private bath and living quarters. Being a bit irreverent, I asked the guide how often did Queen Elizabeth take a bath. The guide replied in almost a mechanical manner that Queen Elizabeth had a bath twice per year whether she needed it or not. So, it the queen had two baths per year, I have to believe that most people then had one bath per year, or per two or three years. I would imagine that anyone in the perfume business back then could have made a lot of money.
I thought all the private rooms of the Tudors were long gone. Pulled down by the Palace that was going to result in the removal of all the Tudor palace
@@cherrytraveller5915 They planned to do that, but didn't follow through.
Not quite. Thing is they had a different conception of what being clean was. They wore a chemise (think of it as a knee length shirt) as their underwear. It was made of linen and I remember seeing someone test out that for about 1 month (I don't recall the YT channel) and to her surprise, after not bathing for 1 month, she didn't smell at all. Linen seems to be exceptionally good at absorbing sweat and dirt. They would change the linens quite often. This idea that everyone smelled is incorrect, they just had different techniques of staying clean. Soap did exist, but they believed that bathing (the way we do it) would open the skin pores and allow disease into the body. But no, they weren't all smelling like toilets. Human beings dislike and have always disliked (it's a natural inborn repulsion) bad smells which Tudors associated with disease.
@@octavianpopescu4776 im sure diet added to it as well. Most people didnt have access to processed foods as we know them today.
The once a year thing is simply wrong, though. The quote was "once a month" and the validity of that statement is contested among historians. It's thought to be a joke whose basis has been lost to time or perhaps a reference to a therapeutic bath administered by a doctor. She was considered vain so i have a hard time believing she went around reeking like B.O.
p.s. not arguing with you, just wanting to add to the convo but am aware info-dumping doesnt always come across as friendly
Well presented, enjoyed very much.
Book seems worth reading! Great vid. One thing confused me a bit though. Henry VIII, a terrible king? I know he was a brutal tyrant who killed many, but I've heard other historians represent that he brought England forward into the modern age.
Yeah I find this modern thinking of Henry VIII being dismissed as terrible a little strange when he's often seen as the most significant King in English history. It sometimes makes me wonder if a brutal tyrant was needed to start the changes that would benefit England in the long-run.
Better than Google! Love the content.
Fascinating video, thank you Dr Paul. Although it’s important to note, that women weren’t all victims of the patriarchy. Margaret Beaufort herself maneuvered to secure the disputed crown for her son Henry VII. A generation before her, Eleanor of Aquitaine was an extremely powerful political force. Certainly, laws weren’t on the side of women, but there have always been exceptional women who figured out how to achieve their goals despite these laws.
Very interesting!! Excellent presenter!
I've had a fascination with the Tudors since I was a teen, and the show the Tudors was popular then and I just got more fascinated specifically Anne Boleyn. And my dad loves to do ancestory so for fun he did our family, funny enough he learned that Anne is his 14th cousin and my 15th.
We also are descended from Thomas Stanley. But some of our family choose to go to America on the Mayflower 😔So no estates for us.
But anyway, I'm still mad at Henry for beheading my cousin... even though it was 488 years ago.
Excellent video..👍👍
Lady Jane Grey recognition, I won!
Always love these. Am now going to learn more about Henry 7th and his 'boring but important' legislative actions.
Interesting that race was not seen as a big deal back then. Who am I to question an expert but I find it hard to believe that an African pottering about England in the 1500s wouldn't at least be of some interest to people in an era before harmful stereotypes and prejudicial thinking about African people became widespread.
My understanding is that actual racial profiling and the separating of races didn't begin until the 1700's when white scientists decided to designate whites as the more superior of the different "races". Sickening.
People would obviously be curious, but racism was born as a result of race-based slavery. Before that, they would have probably seen an African just like any other foreigner. Now, stereotypes did exist towards foreigners, but English people had them towards Spanish and French people in particular (their traditional rivals and enemies). This was a point in time when England had no colonies outside of the British Isles. The first surviving colony was Jamestown in 1607, so after the Tudors were gone.
Should learn about Queen Mary burning protestants and do question this fake historian.
The intriguing/scary thing about the Sweating Sickness is that we still don’t know what caused it. Reportedly, health people could start showing symptoms in the morning and be dead by the next or the end of the day. There were 5 outbreaks of it starting in 1485 and then it vanished. Several different viruses/diseases have been proposed but none is close to definitive.
Very interesting thank you
"... go and fight (usually the French)." Never a truer word spoken.
As soon as the question about whether the Tudor line still existed was asked, I knew the answer was yes because I’m one of the people who can trace their ancestry back to Henry VII. I can trace my lineage back to him through Mary, Queen of Scots.
Life ALWAYS depends on who and what you are. Just a fact of life.
I also consider Lady Jane to be Queen, if only briefly, still Queen.
Same here but she wasn’t technically a Tudor but then neither was Mary
Jane was Queen. I don't even think it's a matter of opinion. Basically the succession was regulated through the 2nd and 3rd Succession Acts and here's the thing about them: they placed Mary and Elizabeth back in the succession, but they were never legitimised (Henry being a douche till the end), so legally they were still bastards and bastards weren't allowed to inherit anything, especially the crown. So, there were laws directly contradicting one another. Now, the 2nd Act said that the King could alter the succession through letters patent as he saw fit. Parliament gave him that authority. If Henry could do it as King, why not Edward? They were both equally Kings. Edward was still a minor and could not decide such a thing on his own and needed his council's approval... which he got. The Device for the Succession was co-signed by all councillors and others (over 100 people in total). So, legally... Jane was the Queen. I get that morally, Mary had a greater right, but in law, no she didn't.
that was informative
Could we get a Habsburg history expert?
Amazing video!
7:03 On a wider point, I think everyone with European ancestry has at least one direct ancestor who is royalty or high noble. Bastards or legitimate are exactly the same thing.
10 miles from Raglan Castle, Monmouthshire, South Wales I traced my ancestors back to a large farm in Penallt village 1700. My paternal Herbert ancestors were Hussars for hundreds of years right up to WW2. My theory is the English civil war had left Castle Herbert in ruins and I'm probably a descendant of the wider Herbert family that remained after Raglan Castle was destroyed.
Future students: The question: Is Tudor Medieval? will be on the test
Love watching these videos and this one was no exception! Although…I can’t get over the fact that her earrings remind me of…✨family jewels✨😂😅
Thank you so much for bringing up the average age issue. It drives me crazy because so many people don't understand how the infant mortality rate drives down the average. Because risk of death was very real for pregnant women, I wouldn't use the if you lived to your 30s you would have a long life in regard to women. But definitely if you survived your childbearing years, you had good odds of living into your 70s or 80s.
If you made it to 35 in Tudor times you would have a greater chance of reaching your 50s, 60s, 70s and beyond than a Tudor infant.
However the very same things that lead to high infant mortality would increasingly affect people as they aged past their prime.
Poor nutrition, poor sanitation, diseases with no cure for yet, injuries from hard labour and conflict.
I had Whooping cough as an infant. 1 in 125 infants with Whooping Cough die, but for others who survive many are severely weakened and live a life of increasingly ill health. 50% of infants who had Whooping Cough die before we are 50. Reaching 40s things like heart attacks and strokes become much more common, and if you are already severely weakened your chances of survival drastically diminish. That very same hard life is what Tudor people lived with.
Surviving as your body aged would be very difficult in a Tudor environment. So the chances of reaching 50s, 60s and beyond wouldn't be great.
Queen Elizabeth II is also a descendant of Catherine Carey through her mother. Catherine Carey was a child of Mary Boleyn (Anne Boleyn's sister), and some historians also believe she could have been fathered by Henry VIII. Thus, technically, the descendants of Henry VIII could very well be on the throne already. Furthermore, the current monarchs are also descendants of Henry VII through his daughter Margaret.
Brilliant video
This taught me how Americans pronounce the word “tudor”.
Loved this, thank you 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
Who was Princess Diana related to connected to Henry the 8th? That’s an interesting bit of information I’d like to explode more. Thank you ❤
Diana was a descended from Mary Boleyn through her daughter Catherine. Sarah also is also a descendant of Mary Boleyn as well. There is a theory which is pushed hard by Phillipa Gregory that Catherine Knolley (née Carey) was the illegitimate daughter of Mary Boleyn and Henry VIII. That is how if true a descendant of Henry would be on the throne in William as Diana was the descendant of Catherine Knolley through Catherine daughter Lettice. Charles isn’t a descendant of Catherine.
How you doin’ Dr Joanne
Excellent
Cool earrings!
So so so interesting !
Takes Tudor tango
I like this presenter but you missed an excellent opportunity to have Eleanor Janega 👌🏻
I think Eleanor is medieval historian
Not a movie, but Wolf Hall is wonderful.
Great fun. But given that potatoes are nowadays a staple it would have been good to clarify if they were in Tudor times. I assume not.
They were introduced into England by Sir Walter Raleigh, in Elizabeth’s reign. He then introduced them into Ireland, where they eventually became a staple there. They were not really grown in England until well after the Tudor era ended
“How did Tudors wipe their Bottoms?!”
😅😅😅
I hope your history is more accurate than your geography, you are about 100 miles out on your location of Pembroke Castle on the map at 3.15.
The bit you're here for start at 19:00
I prefer the threedoor period.
This joke confused me at first until i realised its pronounced differently with the hard t that americans use. I was wondering what tutors she was on about at the start until I relaised she was saing Tudor.
@@genericcommenter1267 lol.
Thank you for giving Henry VII that shout out.
Well done! 👏🏻👏🏻🌹
VII before Elizabeth!! I must disagree but she is the expert!
Defending from Edward iii too
I’m LIVING for how much she shits on Henry 8 😂
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the donation! Really glad you enjoyed!
She's excellent (and absolutely correct about Henry VIII being "objectively the worst.")
No he wasn’t. He saved England from Catholic
Hell ya this lady makes it all fun
The head of the bar that Shakespeare liked to visit was run by a Black woman. Upstart Crow was accurate on that account. I looked it up. Abd al-Wahid bin Masoud bin Muhammad al-Annuri who is said to maybe have inspired Othello? Elizabeth I herself also made comment about "too many" Black people in London. (though not those exact words, it's easy to look up).
I really don't understand why people think past peoples didn't wash. You would smell just as bad in your sweat crusted clothes 1000 years ago as you would today, no one likes bad smelling people, it's not cultural it's biological
Very informative. Thank you. Dr Joanne Paul, five star “History Hippy” (a la “Science Hippy)
Let’s open up this can of worms an interesting thing about the Sweating sickness is that I generally think that is what Prince Arthur probably died of
Henry Tudor arrived (from France) in Wales not England.