The game vs lambo actually happened on his stream, he definitely lold and said “this must be beating grandmaster with stupid stuff, tf is harstem doing”
Challenge suggestion: The Twin Towers Proxy 2x Dark Shrines (or really any tech) in different places. Then make sure opponent scouts one of them, and then you CANCEL the building while he notices (to further sell the idea: if he has a scout in your base build another tech building instead to disguise). Imagine hitting the SICKEST most disgusting timing where they feel absolutely safe from the exact same thing they saw you cancel as short while ago.
@@devonjames9883 Have your probe come into the natural at a suspicious angle so they go looking for proxies, then go stalker first if you're against Zerg to deny scouting in your main. (this would be the trickiest against Terran because of scans; you'd have to actually proxy twice without them spotting it.)
@@tomhe286 Maybe, but at least Harstem never encountered any units or overlords with his DT's as he got to the base. Since overlords have better sight than normal units he could've caught a glimpse of them, but it's not like you spend a lot of time watching the vision on your stray overlords when nothing shows up on the minimap in case anything invisible pass by
BGMWSS Suggestion: Build a lot of gateways, at least 30, and save up a lot of money so that you can do a Doom Warp inside your opponent's main base with a prism or two using all of these gateways. What you decide to warp in is up to you.
by the time you get 30 gateways you won't be able to enter the main also 30 warpins is about 60 supply, so leaving 60 free supply until you do the doom warp might prove too hard
FULL VISION: you can only attack as far as your contiguous field of detection from your base i.e. you have to have a ton of observers/cannons in rows/layers that give you a mostly complete field of vision to attack into. you can scout ahead but no attacking/harassing beyond your detection
What about throwing a Dance Party. You may only build units that have dance animations. You can escalate the challenge to Dance from Above, where you should try to get at least 1 of each unit to dance in the opponent's base. I don't think this would be too restrictive, but has the space for you to add in additional challenges around it.
Would have been great to see some BGMWSS challenges in archon mode. One that jumps to mind is the hallucinated probes in the 3rd, feel like extra hands to micro the hallucinations would have helped.
BGMWSS: macro game adepts. I'm a plat player so I'm sure things are different in GM, but they're pretty good in PVT. VS mech they're essentially suicide disruptors with a giant range (shade into a mineral line, a bio ball, or a cluster of tanks and watch the siege tanks get 10 self kills. If they unsiege to prevent the suicide you drop on them with archon immortal zealot.) VS pure mmmm, you get glaives after charge and shade 10-15 adepts past the bio ball and then crash into the front with zealot archon, getting a 360 surround and they just melt. PVZ and PVP I don't think it's as viable (aside from standard glaives all ins) (but maybe that's just the inferior plat leaguer mind and you can do better)
BGMWSS Suggestion! Play a macro game while achieving as many of these silly map objectives as possible. -Fog lights: reveal all areas of the map before scouting your opponents main or natural. -25 points -Tree Hugger: Kill all mechanical critters on map before 8 minute mark. -25 points -The Watchmen: Hold all watchtowers on the map for a total of 12 minutes of in game time. Every time you are chased away from the tower you must pause the timer. -50 points Rock N Roll- Destroy all destructible rocks on map before reaching 100 supply. -50 points I Love Miners- Mine a single mineral patch only while leaving the rest of the minerals unmined. (Once this status is acheived, you can then begin to mine the rest of those minerals) -75 points Gas Guzzler- mine out an entire extractor from at least one base on your opponents side of the map. -100 points. Feel free to do this bingo style, as this would be fairly impossible to get all of these in a game. Points are just suggested, curious to see what your high score will be!
Would work pretty well in a 1v1 scenario where both players get a set of random objectives like these without the knowledge what challenges your opponent has. Whoever gets the most points wins. Also giving a significant amount of bonus points for winning a game should be a good idea
@@edouardpaumier9887 He also asked for suggestions and has done about 85 different BGMWSS, and I’ve watched em all. It’s not easy to come up with new ideas that don’t suck.
I'm curious what happens if you have like 2 blink DTs just to bait out Terran scans to slow their eco down - walk in somewhere random, then blink out of the scan, forcing them to build turrets and not drop mules
I would love to see you play around with mass ravens. When i started SC2 i just tried to always go as many ravens as possible and keep doing a drive by with turret drops ^^
BGMWSS Idea: Distributed System: Only one building of a type can be built per base location (except pylons). Only one(maybe two different) production structures, and one tech structure. Nexus doesn't have to be built at the location to build other structures there.
A simple BGWSS idea called THE UNKILLABLE BOYS (also known as YMCA): no matter what race you are against, your goal is to build an "UNKILLABLE ARMY" consisting of mainly immortals. You can add anything you want depending on the situation, but remember - the core of your army needs to be a huge bunch of immortals. Good luck with that one :D
man, i think it was my idea, had to scroll though comment history: " Create a "force field" wall using hold-DTs against an unsuspecting enemy. It can be a terrain wall terrain, or some weird U formation to draw your enemy in a "cage". Commented on The 6 Minute MOTHERSHIP Rush | Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff Details event Dec 21, 2021 at 12:01 AM apps TH-cam" I'm glad you tried it regardless xD
Mass Chargelot and Tempest. You can hit air and ground, block and tank stuff with the Zealots, harrass with Tempest or do a chargelot runby. If you're heavy on minerals build more eco or Zealots, if you're heavy on gas build more Tempest. Easy to execute macro, maybe effective, definitely interesting and can be hard countered if the opponent scouts well. Try to max out with this composition and overwhelm the enemy. Upgrade shields instead of armor since they both benefit and try to keep your Zealots alive early on. Decide on Air weapons or Ground weapons upgrade depending on what you scout from the enemy.
SUGGESTION: Double nexus(side by side) in the natural for bonus chrono. This causes smaller surface area to defend making defending drops easier, while (for a short time) having a faster ramp to a fully saturated two bases. Ending in either a fast two base timing attack or expand and attack.
"The real question is, is he solid enough to beat my blink DT build, that I do not know" then without missing a beat "I don't have a blink DT build..." That's when I actually burst out laughing
BGMWSS Suggestion: Terran Mech (esp Thor). with Focus: Repairs and SCVs/Mules. Explore excessive use. Test the limits of Legit vs BM. Additional/Alternative Challenge Ideas List: - Sometimes I worry my opponent thinks my mules are Manner Mules. Play around with "Are those Manner Mules or Legit Repair Mules? ". Rapid Fire Mules lines & "art". (chat option "just for repairs, not bm, sry") - The DT Walls on ramps worked very well so maybe you could use muliple mules to block a ramp (unlikely and probably not effective) - Me see Maru Mech vs Ragnorok. Many Red HP mech units. Me mech-noob & ocd, "repair please" *imagines Maru drawing neat straight line of mules behind his army*. I guess since I don't see many/any pros focus heavily on mech repairs they've probably decided it's better to not repair and instead just make new units? APM Cost? Awkward ~ Movement Blocking? Not time/cost efficient compared to gathering? - In Pig Vid I see Florencio - 10 Slot Flying CC + 10 SCVs on auto-repair with BCs. I can't remember - did they come up with a name for it, like "Flying Repair Bus" or something...? - Medivacs for SCVs (transport and heal) //ya, add "(transport and heal)" so they know what the Medivacs are supposed to do in that bulletpoint// - "Repair Station" ("First Aid Station") or Permanent Patroling Repair SCVs - Choose location for Repair Station. Set SCVs to AutoRepair & Patrol. Send(bc teleport) damaged units for repairs. Can patrol SCVs along structure-walls. (option) Spend excessive resources (static d) and effort to defend the "Repair Station" - Mineral Stealing. long distant mules. 10 slot CC that can load scvs and fly away. Stupid, ineffective and "rude" or legit tactical strat? - Mules and Thors can /dance. Show audience at least? A mule-thor dance party. - Use SCV sprays? Spray Repair Station Location? Use the front line repair scvs to offensively spray? -- Other Mech "memes": Landed Viking/Thor/Hellbat Drops/Medivac. Mass Widowmines (note: FF from mines can wreck repairing scv/mules, esp. vs melee).
With +1, Adepts one shot marines and probes. So in PvT, it's clearly completely viable to go for an adept opener... except instead of glaives you get a fast forge and +1. I'm not sure what you'd do in PvP and PvZ, though.
Upgrade Rush. Get a forge(or second cyber core) really early and do a timing with +2 or something wild. Maybe like a pressure contain into +2 +2 voidrays, or a cannon contain on their natural into +2 +2 chargelot
I love these videos so much. "This is the worst challenge...Absolutely awful....ok now we're going to just do stealth regular." I vote to resurrect this challenge because it was TvP
Offense Sentries with Zelot support at the start and then switch from Zelots to Stalkers or other grown unit. Using the Forcefields to wall in you oppent's bases and killing any leaks with the support. Need at least 5 sentries per army I think. Only prisms and observers in the air.
Dear Harstem. I have an idiotic idea. I call it the Terran Nydus Worm. If you build bunkers next to each other, and you rallypoint each bunker to the next in line, select all bunkers and spam unload, you can basically teleport marines across the map like the prospect zerg you are.
Hey Harstem I'd like to see phoenix into fast 2nd base - Forge +1/2,robotics for observer, Blink DTs Basetrade Squads avoiding loses at all cost, while killing the detection with the phoenix which are still alive ;) Thank you for doing stupid stuff, reminds me of good days. cheers from another Kevin
How about 4 gas "before" nexus, but you actually start the nexus before the gas but you cant mine the minerals from expasions until the gases are fully saturated and you push with a mass archon storm timing or something high tech.
BGMWSS suggestion: get a lot of bases with 110 workers and then constantly throw dirt at your opponent. Don't quite remember who successfully played that already.
DTs only have a radius of like 0.7, you need lots more to wall than with zealots! - Someone who got ling flooded after using a DT to fill the zealot-gap in wall But you can make a DT "channel" with 2 parallel lines of them and a gap in between the lines, units path through the middle and get slaughtered
BGMWSS: Before the game, you make 3 predictions about the game. Other pro players or friends assign point values ("I win" is 1 point, "the game ends between 13:00 and 14:00" is 3 points (you can choose your build order to hit at 12:30 and so it's not as impressive", "my opponent will be a protoss who goes nexus-first into oracles" is worth 5 points. Truly outlandish calls are worth more. You only get the points if the prediction is correct.)
I want to see a match that plays by the rules of the german army! The german army is not allowed to shoot at civilians. The german army is not allowed to initiate an attack but is allowed to shoot back and to follow until the enemy stops shooting. So basically the enemy has to kill himself on your units. Germany is quite sure that their rules work out in real life but they were not able to test it aside of small troops in US safe-zones yet.
I don't know if this challenge has been accepted before or not, but here goes: build 4x nexus (and then saturate) FIRST, with only minimal defense (enough to defend, but not enough to attack), and then do a normal game with a bunch of resources.
BGMWSS: Beating your opponent with only units that have AOE - high templar storm /archon / Colossus / disruptors. Probably gonna need a lot of cannons lol
Normal games but you unbind all unit control hotkeys like stop, adept shade, blink. You have to click the ability instead. You should still be able to A-move though lol
Make 5+ batteries and 3+ cannons in every base, except the main and natural base. In the main base you go for only 3+ batteries and 2+ cannons (Plus stands for: You can build more if you want). Your goal is to turtle into 4+ base Skytoss as fast as possible. You start up with a small ground army to ensure your early game but afterwards you add Oracles, Void Rays, Carriers and stuff... When you get your 3rd base you start to build batteries and cannons in each base. Your goal is to turtle as hard as possible and trade well on defense... so that in the ultra lategame (if you can't overwhelm your opponent earlier) you are going to win just by how the game works. If the opponents don't trade well and always lose minerals and gas against you. Sooner or later you will have a maxxed Skytoss army with batteries and cannons all over the place and the opponents can't max out anymore. It is also important that you expand your tech builds into your latest base... You are will have more batteries and cannons in your future bases (latest base) so it only makes sense to build your tech where you can defend it the easiest, which is... your latest base. For example you are building 3-4 cannons and 3-4 batteries in your main base.. The same in your natural but in your 3rd base you build 1-2 more batteries and cannons but also your latest tech. In your 4th base you build even more cannons and batteries than before (just more than in your 3rd base and so on). That way it doesn't really matter too much if the opponent ever gets into your main base for shenanigans. It also does not matter too much IF he would destroy your main base and from there on your natural BECAUSE your main focus lies on your 3rd, 4th, 5th base and so on. You see that situation often in ultra late game situations when for example serral/reynor gets attacked in his main base but just does not care because the base is already mined out and he can just build another spawning pool in another base (if he even has to becasue its already late game situation). So obviously you want to spam the whole place full with batteries and cannons in your latest two bases. You could also build a way mixed of batteries and cannons towards your opponent if you really want to turtle as hard as possible 😂
As a Terran get some hellions or a drop behind a mineral line, and bring some SCV’s and walk yourself in like a cannon rush, OR body block the gaps with a mule call down 😂
Its same as building 8 probes and then killimg them instantly. Meaning pointless and useless, unless you use that nexus to build probes on other expansions. In that case there is even a little bit use for it. In theory, not in practise. And then there are chrono.
How about multiple twilights to get 2 or even 3 twilight upgrades at a time. Say blink and charge at the same time after say robo first in PvP for an SG in PvT or PvZ for example.
*Challenge: Eye in the sky* Play a normal macro game with one addition: as soon as realistically possible, get the vision of the whole map, literally whole map, including the enemy base and army, constantly. After acquiring the godvision, it may only break during very desperate times, only temporarily. No matter if you win or lose: if the game ends and there is piece of grey land, there might also be some enemy terrorists hiding. Which means that you will have failed your mission of overseeing the earth.
The game vs lambo actually happened on his stream, he definitely lold and said “this must be beating grandmaster with stupid stuff, tf is harstem doing”
can you tell me the date to watch the vod?
@@generaljules2059 It was this Monday or Tuesday, not sure when exactly though, sorry
@@nanotech2080 bruh you gotta subscribe to him to watch a 30 second clip of him saying that, im sad
@@nanotech2080 oh please find that. I don’t have time next couple days to search
Challenge suggestion: The Twin Towers
Proxy 2x Dark Shrines (or really any tech) in different places. Then make sure opponent scouts one of them, and then you CANCEL the building while he notices (to further sell the idea: if he has a scout in your base build another tech building instead to disguise). Imagine hitting the SICKEST most disgusting timing where they feel absolutely safe from the exact same thing they saw you cancel as short while ago.
"make sure opponent scouts one of them" ... good luck
@@devonjames9883 Have your probe come into the natural at a suspicious angle so they go looking for proxies, then go stalker first if you're against Zerg to deny scouting in your main. (this would be the trickiest against Terran because of scans; you'd have to actually proxy twice without them spotting it.)
@@devonjames9883 ez just proxy dark shrine in their natural
@@devonjames9883 If he doesn't scout you just don't build the second one.
"I can also make a wall with a mothership" harmstem 2022
For a fraction of a second, I hoped he was going to say "we will transition from making walls with DTs to making DTs with walls" XD
ahh yes a wall of gateways...
Honestly, if DTs were in place earlier to block the ramp, this would have been a slaughter
Yeah I saw them bunched up and not using all of their surface area I was like huuuh isn't Harstem going to adjust that!
by the time i saw this, the video was already recorded. dang. captain. you've done it again!
Hearing you thinking and planning is always a joy to listen to.
It's exciting to see you try new things.
Better luck in your future games!
Was fun!
damn that was some sick reaction from Lambo... he was hugging that spore 0.3 seconds after your invisible men just showed up in his vision
Unless he saw them earlier and knew to wait them
@@tomhe286 Maybe, but at least Harstem never encountered any units or overlords with his DT's as he got to the base. Since overlords have better sight than normal units he could've caught a glimpse of them, but it's not like you spend a lot of time watching the vision on your stray overlords when nothing shows up on the minimap in case anything invisible pass by
@@jacobsvensson8193
It was extremely nice response from lambo anyway, no matter what!
GGs. Unbelievable reaction speed by both Lambo @ 13:55 and MaxPax @ 21:25
3:12 apparently Harstem never saves his muffins for later. Man over here eats a dozen muffins right from the box when he gets home lol
muffins are made to be eaten
he doesn't even make it out of the store
Here in the Netherlands it's very common to just buy 1 or 2 muffins, so this makes more sense
outing my man kevin :(
Those vanilla-choco-chip muffins from AH are hard to resist, to be fair.
BGMWSS Suggestion: Build a lot of gateways, at least 30, and save up a lot of money so that you can do a Doom Warp inside your opponent's main base with a prism or two using all of these gateways. What you decide to warp in is up to you.
by the time you get 30 gateways you won't be able to enter the main
also 30 warpins is about 60 supply, so leaving 60 free supply until you do the doom warp might prove too hard
Sounds like a harder version of the offensive recall challenge
Man.. these were amazing games. Can't believe how close that last one was agaisnt Max! Thanks for the awesome content!
14:51 he does this so often, he just tells the truth instead of making himself feel better with an excuse and it has me rolling every single time 😂🤣🤣😂
FULL VISION: you can only attack as far as your contiguous field of detection from your base i.e. you have to have a ton of observers/cannons in rows/layers that give you a mostly complete field of vision to attack into. you can scout ahead but no attacking/harassing beyond your detection
What about throwing a Dance Party.
You may only build units that have dance animations. You can escalate the challenge to Dance from Above, where you should try to get at least 1 of each unit to dance in the opponent's base.
I don't think this would be too restrictive, but has the space for you to add in additional challenges around it.
Would have been great to see some BGMWSS challenges in archon mode. One that jumps to mind is the hallucinated probes in the 3rd, feel like extra hands to micro the hallucinations would have helped.
BGMWSS: macro game adepts. I'm a plat player so I'm sure things are different in GM, but they're pretty good in PVT.
VS mech they're essentially suicide disruptors with a giant range (shade into a mineral line, a bio ball, or a cluster of tanks and watch the siege tanks get 10 self kills. If they unsiege to prevent the suicide you drop on them with archon immortal zealot.)
VS pure mmmm, you get glaives after charge and shade 10-15 adepts past the bio ball and then crash into the front with zealot archon, getting a 360 surround and they just melt.
PVZ and PVP I don't think it's as viable (aside from standard glaives all ins) (but maybe that's just the inferior plat leaguer mind and you can do better)
This is how I beat The Last Stand in the WoL campaign. Walling all three entrances with DTs
BGMWSS Suggestion!
Play a macro game while achieving as many of these silly map objectives as possible.
-Fog lights: reveal all areas of the map before scouting your opponents main or natural. -25 points
-Tree Hugger: Kill all mechanical critters on map before 8 minute mark. -25 points
-The Watchmen: Hold all watchtowers on the map for a total of 12 minutes of in game time. Every time you are chased away from the tower you must pause the timer. -50 points
Rock N Roll- Destroy all destructible rocks on map before reaching 100 supply. -50 points
I Love Miners- Mine a single mineral patch only while leaving the rest of the minerals unmined. (Once this status is acheived, you can then begin to mine the rest of those minerals) -75 points
Gas Guzzler- mine out an entire extractor from at least one base on your opponents side of the map. -100 points.
Feel free to do this bingo style, as this would be fairly impossible to get all of these in a game. Points are just suggested, curious to see what your high score will be!
Would work pretty well in a 1v1 scenario where both players get a set of random objectives like these without the knowledge what challenges your opponent has. Whoever gets the most points wins. Also giving a significant amount of bonus points for winning a game should be a good idea
Harstem asks for something simple... *12 minutes of reading later* This looks simple enough !
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@@edouardpaumier9887
He also asked for suggestions and has done about 85 different BGMWSS, and I’ve watched em all. It’s not easy to come up with new ideas that don’t suck.
Agree with @definitelynotvash, this would be neat if both players are trying to do the bizarre objectives
3:15 *looks at the screen muffin in hand almost ready to take a bite*
3:25 * shamelessly takes a bite of the muffin*
You are absolutely right!
I'm curious what happens if you have like 2 blink DTs just to bait out Terran scans to slow their eco down - walk in somewhere random, then blink out of the scan, forcing them to build turrets and not drop mules
I would love to see you play around with mass ravens. When i started SC2 i just tried to always go as many ravens as possible and keep doing a drive by with turret drops ^^
BGMWSS Idea:
Distributed System: Only one building of a type can be built per base location (except pylons). Only one(maybe two different) production structures, and one tech structure. Nexus doesn't have to be built at the location to build other structures there.
A simple BGWSS idea called THE UNKILLABLE BOYS (also known as YMCA):
no matter what race you are against, your goal is to build an "UNKILLABLE ARMY" consisting of mainly immortals. You can add anything you want depending on the situation, but remember - the core of your army needs to be a huge bunch of immortals.
Good luck with that one :D
22:59
That moment made my day!
man, i think it was my idea, had to scroll though comment history: "
Create a "force field" wall using hold-DTs against an unsuspecting enemy. It can be a terrain wall terrain, or some weird U formation to draw your enemy in a "cage".
Commented on The 6 Minute MOTHERSHIP Rush | Beating Grandmasters With Stupid Stuff Details event Dec 21, 2021 at 12:01 AM apps TH-cam"
I'm glad you tried it regardless xD
Mass Chargelot and Tempest.
You can hit air and ground, block and tank stuff with the Zealots, harrass with Tempest or do a chargelot runby. If you're heavy on minerals build more eco or Zealots, if you're heavy on gas build more Tempest. Easy to execute macro, maybe effective, definitely interesting and can be hard countered if the opponent scouts well. Try to max out with this composition and overwhelm the enemy. Upgrade shields instead of armor since they both benefit and try to keep your Zealots alive early on. Decide on Air weapons or Ground weapons upgrade depending on what you scout from the enemy.
SUGGESTION: Double nexus(side by side) in the natural for bonus chrono.
This causes smaller surface area to defend making defending drops easier, while (for a short time) having a faster ramp to a fully saturated two bases. Ending in either a fast two base timing attack or expand and attack.
2 base 3 nexus timing sounds awesome tbh.
Curious, how does it help with drops? I do think this would be hilarious
"The real question is, is he solid enough to beat my blink DT build, that I do not know"
then without missing a beat
"I don't have a blink DT build..."
That's when I actually burst out laughing
Genuinely laughed out loud a few times with this one, bro. Fucking good
20:26 that's classic MaxPax he's super squirly from the synagogue of satan
OMG I was 100% emotionally invested in that game against MaxPax! I've never clenched so hard
BGMWSS Suggestion: Terran Mech (esp Thor).
with Focus: Repairs and SCVs/Mules. Explore excessive use. Test the limits of Legit vs BM.
Additional/Alternative Challenge Ideas List:
- Sometimes I worry my opponent thinks my mules are Manner Mules. Play around with "Are those Manner Mules or Legit Repair Mules?
". Rapid Fire Mules lines & "art". (chat option "just for repairs, not bm, sry")
- The DT Walls on ramps worked very well so maybe you could use muliple mules to block a ramp (unlikely and probably not effective)
- Me see Maru Mech vs Ragnorok. Many Red HP mech units. Me mech-noob & ocd, "repair please" *imagines Maru drawing neat straight line of mules behind his army*. I guess since I don't see many/any pros focus heavily on mech repairs they've probably decided it's better to not repair and instead just make new units? APM Cost? Awkward ~ Movement Blocking? Not time/cost efficient compared to gathering?
- In Pig Vid I see Florencio - 10 Slot Flying CC + 10 SCVs on auto-repair with BCs. I can't remember - did they come up with a name for it, like "Flying Repair Bus" or something...?
- Medivacs for SCVs (transport and heal) //ya, add "(transport and heal)" so they know what the Medivacs are supposed to do in that bulletpoint//
- "Repair Station" ("First Aid Station") or Permanent Patroling Repair SCVs - Choose location for Repair Station. Set SCVs to AutoRepair & Patrol. Send(bc teleport) damaged units for repairs. Can patrol SCVs along structure-walls. (option) Spend excessive resources (static d) and effort to defend the "Repair Station"
- Mineral Stealing. long distant mules. 10 slot CC that can load scvs and fly away. Stupid, ineffective and "rude" or legit tactical strat?
- Mules and Thors can /dance. Show audience at least? A mule-thor dance party.
- Use SCV sprays? Spray Repair Station Location? Use the front line repair scvs to offensively spray?
-- Other Mech "memes": Landed Viking/Thor/Hellbat Drops/Medivac. Mass Widowmines (note: FF from mines can wreck repairing scv/mules, esp. vs melee).
You're a content MACHINE!
7:41 Thank you for flooring me on the ground, laughing. I will send you the medical bill for my sore muscles rehabilitation :D :P :D :P :D
I'd love to see some phoenix range upgrade play, feel like its rarely used
With +1, Adepts one shot marines and probes. So in PvT, it's clearly completely viable to go for an adept opener... except instead of glaives you get a fast forge and +1. I'm not sure what you'd do in PvP and PvZ, though.
Upgrade Rush. Get a forge(or second cyber core) really early and do a timing with +2 or something wild. Maybe like a pressure contain into +2 +2 voidrays, or a cannon contain on their natural into +2 +2 chargelot
+3+3+3
Guys, I think he had enough transfuses ready...
I love these videos so much. "This is the worst challenge...Absolutely awful....ok now we're going to just do stealth regular." I vote to resurrect this challenge because it was TvP
would mass colossi be doable? always found them weak-ish. but then again, i suck
Offense Sentries with Zelot support at the start and then switch from Zelots to Stalkers or other grown unit. Using the Forcefields to wall in you oppent's bases and killing any leaks with the support. Need at least 5 sentries per army I think. Only prisms and observers in the air.
For your next challenge, you have to block the enemy's workers from mining by warping in pylons. Build them in the enemy's mineral line.
BGMWSS: lure opponents into tempting-looking base trades that are losing for them
Dear Harstem. I have an idiotic idea. I call it the Terran Nydus Worm.
If you build bunkers next to each other, and you rallypoint each bunker to the next in line, select all bunkers and spam unload, you can basically teleport marines across the map like the prospect zerg you are.
hahahaha that MaxPax game was hilarious... really thought you had it
Hey harmstem, how about having every type of hallucinated unit in your army?
imagine using stupid stuff to try to beat the top 1 and top 3 in the ladder, you are a legend xD
Hey Harstem I'd like to see phoenix into fast 2nd base - Forge +1/2,robotics for observer, Blink DTs Basetrade Squads avoiding loses at all cost, while killing the detection with the phoenix which are still alive ;)
Thank you for doing stupid stuff, reminds me of good days.
cheers from another Kevin
Can't wait for a 30 min SC2day episode where Harstem address about MS buying Acti-Blizzard
harhar.
this is good stuff, inclued the live comments, for a round of "... or do i suck" :D
How about 4 gas "before" nexus, but you actually start the nexus before the gas but you cant mine the minerals from expasions until the gases are fully saturated and you push with a mass archon storm timing or something high tech.
Next challenge: No gateway units at all.
You’d need them to survive early game, but “no gateway units after 5 minute mark” could work
BGMWSS suggestion: get a lot of bases with 110 workers and then constantly throw dirt at your opponent. Don't quite remember who successfully played that already.
DTs only have a radius of like 0.7, you need lots more to wall than with zealots! - Someone who got ling flooded after using a DT to fill the zealot-gap in wall
But you can make a DT "channel" with 2 parallel lines of them and a gap in between the lines, units path through the middle and get slaughtered
Hey Harstem, in order to truly appreciate the full beauty of Protoss units, how about a BGMWSS playing while fully zoomed in?
BGMWSS: Before the game, you make 3 predictions about the game. Other pro players or friends assign point values ("I win" is 1 point, "the game ends between 13:00 and 14:00" is 3 points (you can choose your build order to hit at 12:30 and so it's not as impressive", "my opponent will be a protoss who goes nexus-first into oracles" is worth 5 points. Truly outlandish calls are worth more. You only get the points if the prediction is correct.)
LooooL!!! I was in need of such laugh! Thanks, Harstem!!🤣🤣🤣
I want to see a match that plays by the rules of the german army!
The german army is not allowed to shoot at civilians.
The german army is not allowed to initiate an attack but is allowed to shoot back and to follow until the enemy stops shooting.
So basically the enemy has to kill himself on your units.
Germany is quite sure that their rules work out in real life but they were not able to test it aside of small troops in US safe-zones yet.
I don't know if this challenge has been accepted before or not, but here goes: build 4x nexus (and then saturate) FIRST, with only minimal defense (enough to defend, but not enough to attack), and then do a normal game with a bunch of resources.
BGMWSS Suggestion:
Play a build in each matchup that masses a unit that we rarely see in that matchup, e.g. Colossi in PvP, Voidrays in PvT
Nice stuff! Also proxying carriers would be great. Please do it
BGMWSS: Beating your opponent with only units that have AOE - high templar storm /archon / Colossus / disruptors. Probably gonna need a lot of cannons lol
How about an ability/spell unit only so stalker (only w/ blink), adept, sentry, ht, dt (only w/ blink) etc
I have a real idea this time, planetary rush. There is no way this works, but it’s worth a shot
proxy planetary rush in the natural/third while pretending to play terran as a protos, that would be interesting
Normal games but you unbind all unit control hotkeys like stop, adept shade, blink. You have to click the ability instead. You should still be able to A-move though lol
idea- a few DTs as standard army units in an early stalker/zealot comp
Do a mass drop in the main base with several Warp Prisms like a terran. Then recall it back.
Can't believe he is Rank12 with his banter account 😂
Think you could dip into off race? Thinking burrowed banes!
Challenge: you have to proxy every building on the map, so that in your main is basically only your nexus
Thank you harshen for making good content God Bless You
harshen: when harstem is being harsh.
Make 5+ batteries and 3+ cannons in every base, except the main and natural base. In the main base you go for only 3+ batteries and 2+ cannons (Plus stands for: You can build more if you want). Your goal is to turtle into 4+ base Skytoss as fast as possible. You start up with a small ground army to ensure your early game but afterwards you add Oracles, Void Rays, Carriers and stuff... When you get your 3rd base you start to build batteries and cannons in each base. Your goal is to turtle as hard as possible and trade well on defense... so that in the ultra lategame (if you can't overwhelm your opponent earlier) you are going to win just by how the game works. If the opponents don't trade well and always lose minerals and gas against you. Sooner or later you will have a maxxed Skytoss army with batteries and cannons all over the place and the opponents can't max out anymore. It is also important that you expand your tech builds into your latest base... You are will have more batteries and cannons in your future bases (latest base) so it only makes sense to build your tech where you can defend it the easiest, which is... your latest base. For example you are building 3-4 cannons and 3-4 batteries in your main base.. The same in your natural but in your 3rd base you build 1-2 more batteries and cannons but also your latest tech. In your 4th base you build even more cannons and batteries than before (just more than in your 3rd base and so on). That way it doesn't really matter too much if the opponent ever gets into your main base for shenanigans. It also does not matter too much IF he would destroy your main base and from there on your natural BECAUSE your main focus lies on your 3rd, 4th, 5th base and so on. You see that situation often in ultra late game situations when for example serral/reynor gets attacked in his main base but just does not care because the base is already mined out and he can just build another spawning pool in another base (if he even has to becasue its already late game situation). So obviously you want to spam the whole place full with batteries and cannons in your latest two bases. You could also build a way mixed of batteries and cannons towards your opponent if you really want to turtle as hard as possible 😂
Invisible slashing wall of death. Introduced by magic man.
Digging the HomestoryCup T-Shirt
The last game got even my heart beating extra
thanks for not spoiling the winner :)
@@johannesschubert7739 am i not my brother's keeper?
Maybe do some Sentry Hallucination trickery? Convince them of one tech and then counter the counter.
I didn't eat the muffins...I waited until the guests arrived.
new idea: mass dt, and a mama ship to provide invis for the dt. the opponent will not see that coming.
Mega Chad bait and switch manouvers
As a Terran get some hellions or a drop behind a mineral line, and bring some SCV’s and walk yourself in like a cannon rush, OR body block the gaps with a mule call down 😂
Challenge suggestion: slow warp-ins only!
"Absolutely aweful" add it to the sound board
BGMWSS Suggestion: Mass everything Templar (including Archons if you so choose).
Mass disruptor! Can only build other units for anti air/prism/observer/mothership
Another challenge : you announce every transition. FULL. TRANSPARENCY.
Hardcore mode: Every expansion as well.
And for a crossover episode with the cheesiest man alive: you announce your cheeses (or hint at least)
Easy variant: you announce two possible transitions and pick one.
Proxy carriers, not sure if this is possible but I'm sure you can make it work starcraft man
Combined to proxy void rays that is actually pretty strong build.
proxy nexus in opponent's natural or empty side of main, recall army forward
Hey Harstem love your videos! You know how Zergs build a macro hatch? What if Protoss made a macro Nexus?
Its same as building 8 probes and then killimg them instantly. Meaning pointless and useless, unless you use that nexus to build probes on other expansions. In that case there is even a little bit use for it. In theory, not in practise.
And then there are chrono.
Disrupter Phoenix only?
How about a Nethrazim challenge? You can only build stalkers, DT, Pheonix, Voidray and maybe observer
Mass viking only with terran should be fun.
Suggestion:
Nexus bingo: to attack enemy have a vertical/horizontal/diagonal nexus nexuses
Did we have mass high templar already ?
How about multiple twilights to get 2 or even 3 twilight upgrades at a time. Say blink and charge at the same time after say robo first in PvP for an SG in PvT or PvZ for example.
"YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRANSFU--"
Idea: Proxy mass disrupter rush
*Challenge: Eye in the sky*
Play a normal macro game with one addition: as soon as realistically possible, get the vision of the whole map, literally whole map, including the enemy base and army, constantly. After acquiring the godvision, it may only break during very desperate times, only temporarily. No matter if you win or lose: if the game ends and there is piece of grey land, there might also be some enemy terrorists hiding. Which means that you will have failed your mission of overseeing the earth.
I really want muffins now
What happened to the wink at the start of the video