STIG & SUPER GT JAMMING @ BRANDS HATCH 🙌🚀
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- Welcome back to my ‘Ben Collins Gaming’ channel - the place where I'm documenting my journey into a weird and wonderful corner of the motorsport world that’s undeniably exploding in popularity right now - sim racing.
Last week, I was given a masterclass in sim racing by the one and only Steve Alvarez Brown aka @Super_GT (watch that video here: • SUPER GT VS STIG / a L... ). And to return the favour, this time around, Steve asked if I could give him a little advice.
Steve has a real-life race coming up on the full-length 'GP' version of Kent's Brands Hatch Circuit. Although it's his local track, he's never driven this iconic variation before, complete with all of its complex and high-speed corners.
I took Steve around the virtual version of this circuit to show him some hints and tips I've learnt from my time behind the wheel - all whilst continuing to hone my own sim racing experience along the way.
Huge thanks to @simmotorsportuk for having us down for the day: www.simmotorsp...
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It’s so nice to see a good sim racer against a real life professional racing driver. Glad to see more “mature” racecar drivers training on sim and seeing this as a tool for understanding lap times and places to improve . Keep up with these series ! See you on iRacing !
Steve is a real life professional racing driver.
@@youseftowfeq7260 i know but he started with sim racing/kart
@@youseftowfeq7260Not a professional racing driver mate.
@@samuelgarrod8327 he was literally in the 24hr Nurburgring recently
@@samuelgarrod8327😂 Yeah because driving for a sponsored race team and aquiring a race license doesn't make you professional driver. Get a grip.
I’m liking this collaboration guys.
Brands, my favourite track of all time - almost every corner is a trap, be it blind, late apex, or unusual entry - well it is the way I drive it in sim. Love it.
Loved that 1st episode together! Glad to see you do it again!
Wimmy is too busy getting his hair bleached.
I cant gelp but think that in the back of steves head is a voice whispering quietly "its the stig, its the bloody stig, and hes my friend" 😂 because i know thats exactly what i would be thinking.
Why does everyone say iracing is hard as well. I made c class licence in less that 3 weeks.
The Stig got to meet THE SuperGT. I'd say Ben's the one feeling giddy 😉
@SALEENS7GTR5 to be fair, seeing Ben meet up with people, he does seem to be as star struck as those that meet him sometimes 🤣
@@boziewz6125 It's like Anthony Hopkins meeting Jack Nicholson.
These last two videos were awesome. Hope you both can have more sim events together then maybe on the real track!
I am absolutely loving the sim racing content. Thank you so much Ben, for making these types of videos. You're amazing as always 🙏
Glad you like them!
So nice of Steve to support a beginner like Ben Collins, former Stig. What a lad
Ben, let them cut the movement of the simulator rig down to nearly zero. Try without the big movement. It only distracts your feeling
Yeah, you would do better at a stationary sim and getting to know the visual aspect rather than the delayed response of a feedback seat.
Came for super gt. Loved the discussion. Great stuff.
I'm calling it now. You two are going to end up hosting some sort of TH-cam show together.
Great content. I am glad to see you are using AC. I was very fortunate to try out in real life a 2011 911 RSR in Estoril a couple of years ago and on those two occasions I did my best to compare a real life GT3 with a sim car, and to this day I still find Assetto Corsa to be the most realistic sim in the market, if properly set up, of course. These episodes are very technical, that's how we like it. Keep it up! Thanks!
I was also glad they are using AC. Although it's a fairly old sim, it still holds its own against modern sims. Looking forward to AC2
@@Petrolhead66 Yes, I hope Kunos learnt with ACC that they missed it out in the weight transfer feeling. AC nailed it and while ACC can give you more detailed feedback in other aspects, I did manage to get from AC a truly detailed and realistic ffb with all the new CSP tunning options and new physics. And I also hope they stick to a graphics engine that allows us to run close to max settings without frying CPUs and GPUs. ACC is way too complex in graphics calculations and it doesn't need to. With AC+CSP+PURE+Reshade, we can all extract better graphics and fps performance than ACC can. Let us hope AC Evo gets all this right.
Great to see Steve take The stig under his wing.👌 Keep these coming and I'll watch them lol.
Two legends head to head. Great stuff!
nice to see the force feed back down quite a bit from the last video
The thing about learning on sim, is you can go full send without the fear of death. So you can really find the limits of the car.
Yet your instinct screams at you to ease off. I am finding it quite difficult to switch it off.
Keep these coming. Love that you chose to include Super GT! You guys make a great team
shoutout to the person setting up the camera angles/spectator layout/etc
Ben. Will we see you racing in any GT7 Daily Races / Nation's / Manufacturers ? It would be some great content.
My favorite sim with a great car, cool to get some insight where it differs in real life.
Great partnership! Love Brands Hatch, driven around in a Caterham.
I just went back to project cars to do some videos for my channel and while I was going through the files I found all the engineer voiceovers you provided during racing. There are 1024 individual lines of diologue, most subjects repeated 4 times for variety, you did such a great job definitely one of the best virtual Race Engineers we’ve ever had.
Been waiting for another episode, great content 👍🏻
Fun to watch. More discussion about the validity and correlation of sim racing and real world would be fun with the expertise of those two guys.
To Ben, how to get out of rookies in iracing: Start from the pits and avoid crashes best you can. Try not to even attempt overtaking, let others make mistakes and just place where you place. (Going off track will get you incident points, avoid incidents like the plaque)
Tip regards starting in the pits, as soon as the 2 min count down to race starts, join the track and immediately return back to the waiting screen, once all other drivers hit the grid or the timer runs it will say missed start then enter the track and get ready to go from the pits.
It may be boring for a day or two, for the open wheel licence you can go between ff1600 and the vee one after the other if you exit races quick. For the road licence just repeat the mx5 races over and over.
All the best.
*Plague
@@cheeseburger3209 Autistic screech.
Really enjoying the racing and chatting with you two. It would be cool to see SGT work with you on what will get you faster on the sim, as well as seeing you analyze things that might work in the sim but would be bad in real life.
1:00 yes Benjamin, Dingle Dell needs to come back! Used to love seeing touring cars in the 90's airborne through that chicane!
I can't wait tonsee what kind of rig you build yourself
Good races and bad races, this track always has my heart in my throat.
Love to see you play GT7 with PSVR2.
I've not done many track days but I've done one on the brands hatch GP circuit! Fun track.
really my advice to get out of rookie would be to take an afternoon of starting from the pits/last without qualifying and let everyone go for a good 10s ahead of you then cruise and as Steve said "play the long game of no incidents" and you'll find yourself very quickly in higher licences! But most importantly, have fun on your journey Ben :D
Somehow I got out of rookies in few races. Just kept being on P1 from the start and nobody could crash into me 😂
This duo is a golden combination. Great to see these videos together.
Since PSVR2, I've only used it to race and it's awesome. I just miss some race info that I normally get but otherwise I'm just as quick (after a fair amount of time) but I make less mistakes and almost never go off track anymore.
Hope to see more videos of you together 👍
Such a cool collab. Subscribed
Hey Ben the main reason for your lack of speed in this video is you are taking "fast in, slow out" lines in every corner, You need to be more "slow in, fast out" so you apex the corners later, This will prevent running wide on corner exit so you can be faster out of the corner without going off. Also being closer to edge of track on corner entry will help this. I hope this helps you to be as fast on the sim as you are in real life!
Nice job as a driving consultant at Straight4 Studios.
their interaction is like a son and his new stepdad it's so awkward haha
Did you have custom setups? I managed to do 1.25,4 with my own (0,4 faster than the Stig!), the wr being an insane 1,21... if so, I'd nice to include them since many viewers love AC.
AC is a great platform for this. Race next time with an old school manual race car without abs or tc., eg. F1 GTR on Nordscheife would be epic. Or maybe DTM cars or group A on a smaller tracks.
Excellent content, thanks for setting this up.
A nudge though that there's life after iRacing... likely ACC, then AMS2 (zero online right now) or even RRRE - which in fact has some decent online racing.
Thanks for the info!
It would be nice if you could always share the setup for the car and the track.
Yes! I want to drive in the same conditions to compare lap times 😅
When one of your tires is flickering it means you have a flat spot on the tire. The worse it flickers the bigger the flat spot. If it is small it will go away when you wear down the tire a bit but bigger ones require a tire change.
I feel like Ben should have the white gloves
Great video Ben, but the title shudda kinda been more "STIG Vs SUPERGT, Brands hatch showdown!!" Steve isnt fighting the track lol. I like assetto, but GT7 is where its at fir me, nicer lookin game, and look forward to seeing that content. Nice 2nd collab. Good luck Steve on the real race!! 😅👍
Awesome video again, was there adjustment in front break ducts to lower the temperature that may have affected the tires to go off quicker? Cheers legends for teaching us the tricks of the trade
I would love to see a more in depth analysis of the data between Steve's lap and Ben's lap
Ayyy. Someone who runs the center with some brains turned down the FF. Good on them!
Can you please add the software (is it the comp version?), any mods (if applicable), which track layout, specific car from the menu and setup. Would be good to try and beat the time here using the exact same setup. Please :)
Ben you should do a video together with Suellio Almeida, he knows all the in depth stuff about how iRacing works under the hood and could probably be of help if you're wanting to improve on it!
Absolutely. Steve is amazing but he drives more by instinct, Ben could definitely benefit from some more in depth technical advice.
At least he’s playing a ‘sim’ and not that arcade game gt!!
With iRacing rookies it’s best to just start at the back. I didn’t even bother with qualifying. Watch the carnage unfold during the race and just stay out of trouble. You’ll pick up a load of positions just by doing that and you’ll soon be out of rookies. Once out of rookies, iRacing is great fun.
Ben in iracing to advance your license you can actually just do time trials and drive clean laps to improve your safety rating. you will need to drive clean in your races to maintain your license but it is possible to move up in license without actually racing and having other peoples mistakes affect you. its based on length of race and how many corners and your license in rookie you can get about 8 incidents and not lose safety rating. in A license you will need no more then 2 in a short race. if you do 3-5 30 minute sessions in time trials with 0 incidents you will move up to D license
Ben, I love your videos but there's one thing that's bothering me: the 'stuttering' or inconsistent framerate of the captured footage from the spectator pc. That's likely recorded at 30 or 60 fps, and the video is 25 fps. The camera footage from you two is good and consistent, 'smooth'. Taran van Hemert made a tutorial about this: Mixing different framerates - the ultimate guide. I'm convinced it'll improve the watchability of future video's. I hope you can think of this as constructive critisism, I wouldn't have bothered commenting otherwise. Keep up the good work!
Ooh, role swap, nice!
Ben should give Raceroom Racing Experience a go.
Owned by KW Suspension, sports immense 600hz force feedback, flat spots and have a plethora of classic circuits and cars to suit his age 😁
Also not so much rookie carnage headache, give it a shot 🥃
Ben , how much ffb are u running ? It looks like a lot . To get out of rookies all you have to do is finish a couple races without any penalty points. 🤘🏻🏁
May I just say, driving the 991.1 2017 RSR without the soundmod is criminal
An alternative to get some good and less frustrating racing and practice is to join a group/team. And do closed lobby racing instead of GT sport mode for a while. That is my experience on Gran Turismo and with my team at least.
Hi ben, i messaged about getting mike fernie on and when i saw your response just now. I came across a rover 75 and mg zt owners workshop manual. Just made me think you should have your race in a rover lol
Regarding iRacing's safety rating, you can farm it on time trials to get out of rookies.
Cool videos. Like em. What pedals are they using? They look like thrust master pedals, maybe that’s why Ben is slower than Steve. LOL good excuse anyway.
I would love if you guys give automobilista 2 a try especially after new 1.6 update, game is super fun with lots of racing cars from the past and present
Love this adventure
It's very interesting watching an ex racing drivers against a sim racer. I have done karting and a lot of track days and am always slower than the sim guys
Glad you enjoyed it!
Took the challenge and managed a 1:23,7 on softs after about an hour
It was good fun
Love Vr But in its infancy needs 4k per eye to see further ahead at moment only about 50m ahead
R Factor 2 is the only sim that has good flatspot modeling as far as i know. The wheel vibrates when you flatspot badly.
911 rsr? You have my full attention.
Ben should try GT7 with and without PSVR2. Would be fun to watch and experience. Come on, make it so!
Or VR with a proper Sim like AC.
@@rexoid0800 Ben literally discussed playing PCVR in this video. Go away, platform warrior.
@@mi-kv3vm Was just pointing out that it would be good to see what he could do on a more realistic sim in VR.
Instead of Ben Collins Stig you should be OG Stig! 😁
is anyone able to shed light on which Sim this is? Assetto?
Yes, AC.
You DO get a flatspot in the sim (AC) and the wheel will even vibrate because of it. If you disable damage however you will not.
If you're not getting the front to turn in it's because you are not trail braking properly. That's escpecially important in a Porsche. Hold the brake slightly for a bit longer into the corner. Careful not to throw out the back though, it's gonna be hard to recover because it's so heavy.
Glad to see you give sim racing a go, cheers!
Ben, reach out to Danny Lee or Jimmy Broadbent. Let them help you get the set up you can feel comfortable with, if you're going to do more of these videos (and I hope you will) it would really help to increasing your standing in the sim racing world and viewers will take you more seriously. Can't deny your real world talent, but it would be great if we in the UK had a Daniel Morad to get racing tips from! Also Assetto Corsa isn't really a 'sim'. You'd want Assetto Corsa Competizione or for the best experience iRacing.
That intro 😍
you should air your iracing struggles through the ranks... pretty sure you could get many views with those.
Very good idea :)
It’s never a doddle racing a sim 😂😂😂😂
Just tried this same combo and couldn't get below a 1.26 after 30 mins in VR. God knows how super gt is getting 1.23s
The trick with iRacing rookies is not to actually race the other cars if you wish to progress quickly, Not Intuitive I know, But it's all about finishing a clean race, Just let all the others wipe out and use self preservation tactics and you can still get a top 5 finish in Rookies do this for the first 10 races and I am sure you will get the next license to step up.
Russel from praised to hated speedrun
I don't get how you think VR isn't better, I use a Quest 1 which is objectively dog shit especially when compared to more modern headsets and despite that it's still miles better than my 4k 120hz 32" Samsung in terms of immersion. I can typically shave 3-5 seconds off my single monitor time on a track just by switching to VR as the wider field of view and the fact that the camera moves as you adjust seat position allows for a much better time looking through the corners instead of at them.
The Stig and Super GT, who would have thonked.
please do some Gran Truism 7 content!
the Porsche 911 RSR is not a GT3 class car. I'm surprised Steve doesn't realise this.......... AC does have a number of GT3 cars in it including a Porsche GT3 from 2016. Not sure why they picked the RSR to test a GT3........
Great vid but the lights need dimming 60% to get a proper sim experience, it's far too bright
Love the collaboration and the sim racing content 😃
Tho please stop splitting the screen into 3. On this one you can only se whatever is in the middle one.
Your last video was great except for the 3 screen bit in the end.
Ofc just my opinion
Noted!
Just a tip from a fan thats a long time sim racer - I noticed Ben is spiking 100% brake into corners and immediately letting off and turning in. I'm not sure how this works in real life GT3s, but in the sim you don't want to brake 100% as you are activating the ABS leading to loss of grip, stopping force & turn-in. Also you want to try bleeding off the brakes a bit more gradually in most corners.
JFC...
Mate he knows how to drive a car, I don't know if you're trolling, and in GT3 cars you rely on the electronics, both ABS and TC.
@@xMetal98yes, but braking significantly beyond the ABS threshold definitely will slow you down. Just learned this from a sim racing coach and paying attention to it has improved my lap times quite a bit.
Yeah, this is correct. Also trailing off the brake pedal has less of an effect if ABS is still active.
@@xMetal98 I know, that he knows how to drive a car... that's why I said I don't know how it works in real life because i have zero experience. But in most sims, including AC, ACC, iRacing, rFactor & AMBS, this is just how it works.
Try a high resolution vr headset on something like iracing @ben collins, you can definitely look ahead and spot the braking markers, Assetto is very poor in vr
If you use vr performance kit mod (which gives you about 80% more fps) and put the super sampling up to 2.0 its actually very clear and crisp.
The original Assetto Corsa which they are using here is great in VR if you run at say 3000x3000 pixels per eye but Assetto Corsa Competizione is crap in VR
Would love to see you two play gran turismo 7
Porsche is very demanding.
You should try something with more aerodynamic downforce.
You get flat spots on Le mans ultimate
Braking too hard will longer the braking distance and understeer the car. Also coming off the brakes too fast will make you understeer. Important to let off brakes slowly to keep the nose down.
I would imagine Super GT to have a promising career in motorsport commentary if his motor racing career doesn't take off .
It is not hard to get out of rookies in iracing FFS! *rolls eyes
Goes to show how unrealistic it is when you come from a real racing background I guess
@@JallyTee Well duuuhhhhh Of course its a game on a computer! Who said anything about realism? And why does Ben Want to play on his sim! So dense!!
Was anyone else annoyed that the cars they were driving were the opposite color of the rigs they were in?
This would be an amazing video if we could actually see what's going on...
Obligatory comment for the algorithm 🫡
The cams - too much emphasis on the driver, not enough on the road
This is RSR, so better than GT3
Maybe just me but the frame rate looks jerky
Probably just recorded at a lower frame rate than the actual game.
get on rfactor 2 dude
Have you been talking to Schmee for intro advice? Interrupting the video after two minutes hurts. Please stop doing that
What do you mean it hurts?
I don’t find these sims realistic at all. It’s most the screen. It needs to be AR.