Thought the head was primary point of contact and that he extended through the hit, leaving his feet. I expected a major penalty , a game and suspension...
At least a penalty, it could've been a charge even. The rule must be modified. If the argument is that ryan reeves did nothing to avoid the head, the same should apply here.
@@VIB1NG Whitecloud hit Knies directly through the middle of his core. Knies led with his face and never even attempted to lift his arms to protect himself despite seeing the hit coming.
It was super dirty. Left the ice and checked shoulder to head. Did not AT ALL attempt to not him Knies in the head. That alone is 5 and a game but, sure the refs totally didnt see that.
Sitting within 5 rows of the glass is a crazy experience! You're able to see all the smalls things that go on in the game that you can't see up in the upper bowl.
If the responsibility is on reaves to not catch nurse in the head despite him being in a vulnerable position why isn’t the same standard applied to whitecloud
SO....Saturday Night the Leafs fans BOOED THE CALL ON REAVES and many defended his cheap shot after....BUT....tonight you are screaming bloody murder over McCloud???.....The HYPOCRISY is incredible.
Look at (i) of the hit to the head rule. Angle of attack, timing, extension of arm or body to "pick" the head as a target etc. None of that applies. If you want to be super charitable then you could say he rises into the hit so that meets body position change criteria for the rule but his skates are on the ice at point of contact and he's not really any higher than normal height.
Knights took some dirty cheap shots last night imho I know they a big team and they gonna play to their strengths throwing the body around, but once they was 2 goals down extra strength cheap shots! Marlies can’t afford to lose anymore players and 🤞Knies is not out too long can’t afford to lose him such a key player!
Hey Steve, I was at the game. Leafs felt like they were behind but kept persevering. Energy in the arena was the best it has ever been for a game I've been to (try to get to 5-6 per season). Leafs felt charged, watching Tavares f*** around was great, watching the team of underdogs STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES felt like a Leafs team I haven't seen in a while. I am still so high on adrenaline right now hours later. And I'm hoarse from screaming for goals, and blasting "REFS YOU SUCK" out of my vocal cords. LET'S F***IN GO
All I want from you is a breakdown of why it should've been a penalty or a suspension? That hit was absolutely clean. It was hard and Knies got rocked, but that doesn't mean the hit was dirty or suspension-worthy. Clean hits can hurt too.
@@jorssu13 clean hit that targets the head? no such thing btw. yes he intentionally targets the head hence the follow through with the elbow and the launching into the head
Even the refs knew that was a penalty but they didnt call it because they totally missed calling Grebanik earlier in the game... and instead of actually calling the game properly the went for an "equalizer"
The geese have left for winter, and I looked over my shoulder thinking that sound was one too. Scared that a Canadian Cobra Chicken had snuck up on me.
I was at the game and it was insane with all of the drama that unfolded. Also it was exciting watching the young players in the lineup while the Leafs were hit by the injury bug. It was probably the loudest I've heard Scotiabank arena during a regular season game in a while
This was the best game that Benny boi has played this season, and I would love to watch him step back into this role. I think that if Mints hadn't gotten the belt, I would have loved to see him get it this game. He was an absolute dog on the ice, drew important penalties, and had a TON of clean hits. That's the other half of the D core that we need
8 hits...he was gold. Insert him over Timmons and give Hawk some runway to get his game up to speed. With that lineup Mo will be our weakest Dman. And even he is being more physical and blocking shots this year....
@georgebartlett8576 yeah I have honestly been impressed with Reilly this season. I think a lot of people forget that he is a strong shooting defenseman. He is not the biggest heaviest guy, but he is very smart on the puck and has a wicked shot for a d man. But agreed. Benoit over Timmy when Haakenpa is ready to play full time. Tanev + McCabe Reilly + OEL Benny + Haak
League was way off on Reaves hit and suspension when he did nothing wrong, call 2 min for something if you need to justify Darnell bleeding everywhere Knies had head down and got caught but he also jumped into his head and chicken winged a little bit, shoulda been 2 for charging No situation where leafs should have been shorthanded after that but also not the dirtiest hit ever for auto 5min major and suspension
Getting rid of concussions in a contact sport is like trying to get rid of racism This was the causation of playing a full contact sport as a grown man With that all said, it comes down the cliche, over stated and downright immature. "If you don't like it, don't watch NHL hockey." Respectfully.
He didnt leave his feet. But what he DID do was go from a position of a hipcheck to a stand up position with upward motion. If thats not intent to hit high on purpose i dont know what is. And it should be the same rule of IIHF, if you aim high and hit the head, you know that was a possibilty and you get a major. Period. End of discussion. Come on nhl change this.
He didn't leave his feet. After the hit the Vegas player lost balance so it gave the impression of him leaving his feet. He didn't jump to make the hit
@@alexanderh.999 I gotta agree with this. People focusing on Whitecloud leaving his feet are looking at the wrong thing. Players leave their feet all the time after delivering a heavy check, it doesn't mean they are jumping into the check. The head-first portion of the play is where people need to zero in on. It's inexcusable there was no penalty on the play. It wasn't as bad as the Reaves hit, not sure it was suspension worthy, but 5 mins minimum. Maybe even the game.
It's like the NHL actually listened to you and produced exactly the video you asked for. I'm impressed that they chose to explain why something was not a penalty, because that seems like opening a door that you don't want open. Not sure I fully agree with their logic, but I'm happy they explained it.
Grebenkin hits (albeit including a not so great one), energy and defensive plays in the neutral zone made him seem immediately more valuable that Robertson to have on the team. Tiny sample size but he seems like more of a Berube type player
@@07foxmulder bruh that was an era of the Leafs effectively having zero depth and never had a winger for Sundin. Their skill was primarily old, end of career players with big names ie. Roberts, Mogilny, etc. I think people forget how entirely dependent those teams were on goaltending
@@beebaebabybee Bruh the 01/02 Leafs had the third best goals for stat in the league. The 98/99 team had *the best* GF stat. Saying they weren’t skilled and making them sound like the Sabres of the 90s is pure revisionism.
@@craigharrison5406 Demko may be one of the best (assuming he comes back from injury as the same goalie), but Lankinens is nothing to write home about tbh
I was gifted 2nd row platinum seats to last night's game and to my surprise, the seats surrounding mine were filled with genuine leafs fans (not suits). The energy after minten's goal was high, and after the hit on knies, the building was as loud as it gets during the playoffs. it was a super exciting game to be at!
I was listening to it on the way home, then switched to watching on TV. I'm telling you right now that game is exactly why JOE BOWEN and JIM RALPH NEED to do the playoffs TV broadcast. God bless the guy that does the JoeBowen highlights on TH-cam.
If you were listening to the radio, can you please maybe recommend how I can best listen to the radio streaming online from Pennsylvania? I love listening to them on the radio, but more than half the games on Sportnet 590 or TSN 1050 say they have the game and it’s something else.
I was there as well, arena was quiet until knies hit. After the hit arena comes alive, Leafs come alive. I think that’s where Vegas lost the game. Loved the way leafs responded. Definitely a different team, leafs started taking pens, killed them then scored goals. What a night. Woll is amazing
As a VGK fan, I really don’t think Vegas outplayed Toronto that badly through the first 40. The Leafs had more high danger chances, and the defensive sticks and blocked shots from TOR were fantastic. As for the Whitecloud hit, I agree it isn’t obvious and your suggestion on the pod and this video with videos from the NHL explaining rulings for not-suspensions. Either way, GGs. It’s refreshing seeing such a defensive stalwart game from the Leafs, including blocking shots while not screening their goalie.
@@mattacameron bro being a fan of multiple teams is so stupid. being a die hard of one is normal. being a casual fan of multiple is dumb and eliminates the entire point of fandom
Officiating has leveled up their game this year. They are now consistently getting reviews wrong even with empirical, tangible evidence and all the time in the world at their disposal.
It was Shanny when he was in the NHL player safety who did exactly what you'd like to see. He described the hit as he saw it and would describe it honestly and then release to public. It worked!!! Imagine !!! Lol
I was at this game. Everyone in the building was in it and it felt SO GRITTY. I felt like they came out strong and kept it on all game. A lot of passion on the ice and with the fans. I loved it!
I think Steve to make it super easy for the league on what hits to pick it should just be anytime the officials have a review session that’s the indication that the league should post how and why the officials came to their conclusion. Which didn’t they use to do this with goal reviews regardless if the call in the ice was overturned or not?
I really hope Knies is okay, but I hope the discourse about this game doesn’t become solely about this hit instead of the fact the Leafs shut out a quality Vegas team and are now first in the Atlantic for the time being.
@@bpratt1979 Man has everyone turned on Robertson because of his comments in the offseason? During Keefe's era everyone's like "Play Robertson" We get to now and a coach who actually likes him (seriously what was Keefe's problem with Robertson? Even when the Leafs were injured he wasn't getting game time) and everyone's turned on him.
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Robertson played 17 out of 20 games this season and has 1 point. Berube has given him enough of a runway and he hasn't shown anything. On top of that he brings nothing to the line up when he isn't scoring and can't stay on his feet.
I disagree with the Leafs being the worse team through the first 40 minutes. I think they were clearly dominant most of the game, but especially so after the Knies hit. They were generating more dangerous offensive chances than Vegas all game and their defensive game was likewise superior.
You know, it's tough because I understand why hockey fans want to limit the amount of reviewing that happens in the modern era of hockey. But, regarding dirty hits, I think it's a worthwhile and important security measure and investement. I agree with Steve on this. Careers can be affected, the trajectory a player takes can be entirely contingent upon a dirty headshot. Who knows what could happen to Knies, you know? All we DO know is this kid was having a career year. People were legitimately talking about Treliving making a HUGE offer now, before the season ends and he's a rookie with 35-40G and a similar number of assists. And the kid is a powerhouse who works hard, goes into corner, and plays HARD in front of the net. A 7 or 8M dollar contract is NOT out of the realm of possibility for a developing player like Matthew Knies. But a hit like this has the potential to destroy that dream (for Knies himself, but for the Leafs organization, and for fans who want this club to succeed). Having said all that, I absolutely hate the hit. I am willing to accept that I am probably as biased as it gets, and therefore this is not an objectively fair assessment. But because he's SO young, and even after these last 2 years, we have no idea how high this kid's ceiling is, I hate the hit. I think it was clear, just from replays alone, that the primary point of contact was the head. If that's true, what more needs to be said? I repeat: if the primary point of contact was the head, then what else can be concluded? I don't understand anything other than that conclusion. Thanks if you read my non-fiction shorty story ;)
The key difference between Reeve's hit and Whitecloud's is Reeve's hit was a miscalculation; Whitecloud's was exactly as he intended. Neither hit belongs in the game.
Great game. I was there. Go to every game and thought it was a very entertaining game. Positive vibes. But to be a little negative, can we keep one of these younger guys and dump Robertson. If you just watch him durning the game he just flys around the ice doing a lot of nothing. Is is too weak and that might be acceptable if he actually scores, but he does not score either. If we want to be deep for playoffs we can’t be real with him the way he is playing this year. Otherwise, love this team
Leafs made the Knights defend and then they dominated behind their net. Simple strategy that worked against a defensive monster. Leafs looked like they had a game plan?
Steve after this game im trying so hard to find the Podcast after the florida series when bennett drilled knies into the ice and you called parros "a F#$%ing Goon" i need to make that my ringtone after this
That was an incredibly not rival, rivalry game. I kept thinking, "i love that we're fighting back, but why is the hatred here!? We play these guys like twice a year!" But the refs... they screw everything up.. Edit- this league has no real rules, completely insane!
I thought they only out these performances together on Prime!!! This is how you play boys. Looks like a playoff team for the first time in 10 years. Well done Berube!!!
Matthew his head down like Nurse did. One of them got it wrong. If Reaves had hit Nurse clean it still would have been charging/boarding. He took several strides before the delivery. Robertson was pretty good checking. Also, I agree, Steve is special fan.
Completely bewildering that the hit on Knies wasn’t suspension worthy let alone not even a minor penalty. For fuck sake, I don’t care about the ridiculous analysis’ between periods, primary contact was directly straight to the kisser with no other body contact, … aaaaand Whiteclown did leave the ice on impact.
Any reviewed call could be easy for them to make videos from. I say this because when the Hockey NCAA does a review the program I use automatically makes the video edit for the officials on the ice to review. It is then uploaded to league safety board and officiating board either during review or at end of night.
the league will never do that because they love the grey area where the refs can decide the calls based off w.e the hell they want instead of the rulebook. if a teams winning by 5 goals and their player gets a dirty head hit the refs will use the grey area to not call it a major and even it up so the team winning by 5 goals doesn't get a pp
So apparently, the hit to the head rule applies when the hit to the head is the only (principle) point of contact. If you hit anything else, in addition to the head, the hit is good.
There are so many variables that go into these sorts of calls and part of it is where the hit is in relation to refs, the puck, and the other players. If the refs are screened, they have a bad viewing angle, or even if the hit is away from the puck, they have to make judgment calls on the ice. It's hard to make a penalty out of a no-call and you can't review a two-minute minor. There are always going to be inconsistencies, but I think acknowledging them and doing those reviews will help referees be more consistent in their calls as they will see the same videos, but it will also give them the ability to explain the situation and not knowing is what makes us all the angriest.
My son and I were at the game. 3 rows from the ice near the tunnel where the Leafs came out/went in. I felt like for the most part the Leafs were outplayed, but they were on the PK a lot during the first two periods. My son said that he saw Knies pretty much fall off of the Leafs bench after the hit by Whitecloud before heading to the dressing room. All of the callups seemed to play well, and Woll was pretty solid. I wasn't impressed by Nick Robertson's play at all, he seemed pretty meh. It was good to see some feistiness and fight in the Leafs after the hit on Knies. I was really impressed with OEL's mean streak and Tavares getting into the rough stuff. It really looked like the game was going to get out of hand quickly after the Knies hit. SBA went nuts booing when there was no penalty called, and the Leafs ended up on the PK. It was good to see the Leafs not lose total control and actually lock it down in the 3rd period. It was my son's first game at SBA and it's an awesome memory for both of us!
Was at this one. Scotia center sounds mostly like just everyone is having a conversation through out the game. Until Minten scored, it erupted. Then when Knies got hit, it really erupted, and then when they called no penalty, you could have confused the roar of the crowd's bemoan for an earthquake. There was a guy beside me talking about how he thought it was a good hit, but then joined in the "Ref you suck" chants, and I said "Hey, you can't participate in this, you said it was a clean hit", lol. He laughed and said he still wanted the ref to suffer, lol. Definitely looked like that hit deserved a penalty to me.
My one worry about the "why this wasn't a penalty" videos is if there's a high-profile hit that the refs *incorrectly* say isn't dirty, its absence from the weekly roundup will be noticed and Conclusions Will Be Drawn. I'm not sure the league wants to go down that road.
So idk who’s going to see this but I have Frazier Minten in my leafs rebuild on NHL 24 I can confirm he’s a dawg and I’m in year like 2038 or something crazy
I got to go to the game tonight from NS seats were awesome second ever game first was last year against Tampa we won that night 4-1 and tonight what a game 3-0 wooo sad I heard Knies is now hurt too ugh !! I would say this game was great their PK I feel is one if not the best I’ve seen ..
One of the draws that the Leafs have when attracting UFA's has been their medical staff and medical facilities. I've heard many times how they have the best in the league and it attracts players with recurring injuries or is a reason that certain players will be interested in the Leafs. Their trainers are good at helping players recover and get back on the ice, and when they can't they provide top noch care that you can't get anywhere else while you sit on Robidas Island. Over the past few years the following has happened: Matthews: Injured with something that they can't figure out/fix. Sent overseas to a professional at whatever the injury is (They won't tell us) Nylander: Reoccurring blinding migraines that are so bad he misses playoff games (if it wasn't just a concussion they lied about and let him play with after game 3) Matt Murray: Injured playing with the Leafs, out for a year and hasn't played in the NHL since. Joseph Woll: Has played a total of 42 NHL games and has been injured at least 3 times causing him to miss time. Klingberg: Injury, then flew on a plane which aggravated this injury to the point where he hasn't played in the NHL since. Pacioretty: Played 13 games and looked good, before going down. We haven't seen him since and its looking like we wont see him for a while. This list isn't including Jarnkrok, Kase, Muzzin. We can assume with ALL THESE PLAYERS that the medical staff did everything they could to get these guys healthy again and playing again, but if they can't do it then that Advantage the Leafs had with drawing players is drying up.
They have so many Forwards out of the lineup now. They finally have depth in defense but now we're running out if bodies who can play forward. Maybe they should try putting Morgan Rielly up front and try him on the wing until we get a few of these guys back. I think they have enough depth at D to let Morgan try being a forward.
The league does not need to make weekly videos as the standards are pretty clear. Illegal Hit - Any Leafs player hitting any opponet with a questionable hit. Penalty shall always be a 5 min major followed by a 3 to 5+ game suspension. Legal Hit - Any players hitting and injuring a Leafs player with a questionable hit is immediately deemed a good hockey play.
If it looks like its between shoulders and the head, and then Knies goes down holding his head, I think its safe to assume there was enough head contact for a penalty. Most importantly think of why these rules are made... player safety. That was not a safe hit. Was not difficult for Whitecloud to keep it lower and safer
What did YOU think of the hit?
@@SteveDangle if what Ryan Reeves did was worth 5 games, that has to at least get supplemental discipline if the NHL has any backbone left.
Thought the head was primary point of contact and that he extended through the hit, leaving his feet. I expected a major penalty , a game and suspension...
At least a penalty, it could've been a charge even. The rule must be modified. If the argument is that ryan reeves did nothing to avoid the head, the same should apply here.
@@VIB1NG Whitecloud hit Knies directly through the middle of his core. Knies led with his face and never even attempted to lift his arms to protect himself despite seeing the hit coming.
It was super dirty. Left the ice and checked shoulder to head. Did not AT ALL attempt to not him Knies in the head. That alone is 5 and a game but, sure the refs totally didnt see that.
CORRECTION: OEL got the assist on Minten's goal, not Holmberg. No bench assist. I'm devastated.
Relax, you hit 99%. The humility is not required Steve. GLG.
Maybe watch the game buddy
@@jed3177are you insinuating that Steve Dangle didn’t watch a leaf game…really….
MINTEN WITH GOAL INSANE
League F'ed up the LEAFS! and not for the first time. I think the league is playing favorites
i was 3 rows from the ice and it was incredible to be there, the atmosphere was great all game long. it was a FANTASTIC time
Sitting within 5 rows of the glass is a crazy experience! You're able to see all the smalls things that go on in the game that you can't see up in the upper bowl.
@@rickster_88 it was a wild experience. One i never thought i’d ever have. So it was a great night all around
Glad you enjoyed it man!
Awesome stuff man, great game
I was so hoping someone would chuck a can of beer at the refs after that call.
remember guys you gotta “Backcheck Forecheck, and Paycheque”
@@Mayhem2906 wheel snipe celly
Favourite interview ever. Dude just Letterkenny'ed it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
he’s gonna be a worthy follow up for Bryzgalov 😂😂😂 “
If the responsibility is on reaves to not catch nurse in the head despite him being in a vulnerable position why isn’t the same standard applied to whitecloud
Simple. It was a Leaf player that was nailed, not one of the 31 other teams
SO....Saturday Night the Leafs fans BOOED THE CALL ON REAVES and many defended his cheap shot after....BUT....tonight you are screaming bloody murder over McCloud???.....The HYPOCRISY is incredible.
Look at (i) of the hit to the head rule. Angle of attack, timing, extension of arm or body to "pick" the head as a target etc. None of that applies. If you want to be super charitable then you could say he rises into the hit so that meets body position change criteria for the rule but his skates are on the ice at point of contact and he's not really any higher than normal height.
@@bpratt1979hahaha keep whining you pathetic self victimizing baby b1tch 😂😂😂
Knights took some dirty cheap shots last night imho I know they a big team and they gonna play to their strengths throwing the body around, but once they was 2 goals down extra strength cheap shots! Marlies can’t afford to lose anymore players and 🤞Knies is not out too long can’t afford to lose him such a key player!
Hey Steve, I was at the game. Leafs felt like they were behind but kept persevering. Energy in the arena was the best it has ever been for a game I've been to (try to get to 5-6 per season). Leafs felt charged, watching Tavares f*** around was great, watching the team of underdogs STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES felt like a Leafs team I haven't seen in a while. I am still so high on adrenaline right now hours later. And I'm hoarse from screaming for goals, and blasting "REFS YOU SUCK" out of my vocal cords. LET'S F***IN GO
that was a sublime and sureal experiance you only get a few times a year with this team you will remember this game for a long time bud.
MarLeafs-Kids-Line-is-Goooooo 🔥🔥🔥 💙🤍💙
All I want is a breakdown from the NHL explaining why this isn’t a penalty/suspension just like they do for the suspension
All I want from you is a breakdown of why it should've been a penalty or a suspension?
That hit was absolutely clean. It was hard and Knies got rocked, but that doesn't mean the hit was dirty or suspension-worthy.
Clean hits can hurt too.
@@jorssu13 clean hit that targets the head? no such thing btw. yes he intentionally targets the head hence the follow through with the elbow and the launching into the head
@@Jeffm94 typical bitch behavior from the leafs. Can't even take a hit.
@jorssu13 typical behavior of someone that doesn't have a decent job or friends. 😅
Even the refs knew that was a penalty but they didnt call it because they totally missed calling Grebanik earlier in the game... and instead of actually calling the game properly the went for an "equalizer"
Grebenkin was a menace out there. I like it.
I enjoy!
He was playing great against the Sens farm team last weekend as well
2:13 it it just me or did Steve sound like a goose here for a split second?
It’s not an LFR if it doesn’t sound like the Africa section of the Toronto Zoo
The geese have left for winter, and I looked over my shoulder thinking that sound was one too. Scared that a Canadian Cobra Chicken had snuck up on me.
😂😂
That’s what geese sound like ⁉️🤷♂️
A brief appearance of Steve Goosegle.
I think we should all know by now DoPS won't do anything. I'd be shocked if he even gets a fine.
I was at the game and it was insane with all of the drama that unfolded. Also it was exciting watching the young players in the lineup while the Leafs were hit by the injury bug. It was probably the loudest I've heard Scotiabank arena during a regular season game in a while
This was the best game that Benny boi has played this season, and I would love to watch him step back into this role. I think that if Mints hadn't gotten the belt, I would have loved to see him get it this game. He was an absolute dog on the ice, drew important penalties, and had a TON of clean hits. That's the other half of the D core that we need
8 hits...he was gold. Insert him over Timmons and give Hawk some runway to get his game up to speed. With that lineup Mo will be our weakest Dman. And even he is being more physical and blocking shots this year....
@georgebartlett8576 yeah I have honestly been impressed with Reilly this season. I think a lot of people forget that he is a strong shooting defenseman. He is not the biggest heaviest guy, but he is very smart on the puck and has a wicked shot for a d man.
But agreed. Benoit over Timmy when Haakenpa is ready to play full time.
Tanev + McCabe
Reilly + OEL
Benny + Haak
To those who defend this hit but would like to see concussions minimized in hockey, this example does not help your case.
League was way off on Reaves hit and suspension when he did nothing wrong, call 2 min for something if you need to justify Darnell bleeding everywhere
Knies had head down and got caught but he also jumped into his head and chicken winged a little bit, shoulda been 2 for charging
No situation where leafs should have been shorthanded after that but also not the dirtiest hit ever for auto 5min major and suspension
Getting rid of concussions in a contact sport is like trying to get rid of racism
This was the causation of playing a full contact sport as a grown man
With that all said, it comes down the cliche, over stated and downright immature. "If you don't like it, don't watch NHL hockey."
Respectfully.
@@DaaaaaBears Reaves has history ie why the 5 games ...deal with it.
@@StonedSpagooter So how do they play hockey in internationaly ? your comment made NO sense.
@@scottmcfarlane7524re read the comment, "NHL"
MINTY FRESH!!! I love it! Keep up the good work Steve! GO LEAFS GO!!!
Theodore turned to avoid the hit...... risky way to live
Still should have been a penalty.
Whitecloud left his feet. Look at the size. If whitecloud was a leaf it would be 5 and a game / suspension
Correctomundo. I like Whitecloud, but not as much as I did yesterday
He didnt leave his feet. But what he DID do was go from a position of a hipcheck to a stand up position with upward motion. If thats not intent to hit high on purpose i dont know what is. And it should be the same rule of IIHF, if you aim high and hit the head, you know that was a possibilty and you get a major. Period. End of discussion. Come on nhl change this.
@@anthonyfaccaro7118watch again, maybe in slowmo. His feet come about a foot off the ice and its not debatable
He didn't leave his feet. After the hit the Vegas player lost balance so it gave the impression of him leaving his feet. He didn't jump to make the hit
@@alexanderh.999 I gotta agree with this. People focusing on Whitecloud leaving his feet are looking at the wrong thing. Players leave their feet all the time after delivering a heavy check, it doesn't mean they are jumping into the check. The head-first portion of the play is where people need to zero in on. It's inexcusable there was no penalty on the play. It wasn't as bad as the Reaves hit, not sure it was suspension worthy, but 5 mins minimum. Maybe even the game.
It's like the NHL actually listened to you and produced exactly the video you asked for. I'm impressed that they chose to explain why something was not a penalty, because that seems like opening a door that you don't want open. Not sure I fully agree with their logic, but I'm happy they explained it.
Grebenkin hits (albeit including a not so great one), energy and defensive plays in the neutral zone made him seem immediately more valuable that Robertson to have on the team. Tiny sample size but he seems like more of a Berube type player
the culture shift under berube is actually insane... i was hopeful, but it's next level. it's like pat quinn era, if quinn had a skilled roster.
yeah i didn't like the call for the hit, but i was LOVING how the leafs responded. its incredible to witness
If Quinn had a skilled roster? lol what? The 1999, 01 and 02 Leafs were pretty skilled.
Like you can argue there is more talent now offensively, but they were great, deep teams that played every situation well.
@@07foxmulder bruh that was an era of the Leafs effectively having zero depth and never had a winger for Sundin. Their skill was primarily old, end of career players with big names ie. Roberts, Mogilny, etc.
I think people forget how entirely dependent those teams were on goaltending
@@beebaebabybee Bruh the 01/02 Leafs had the third best goals for stat in the league. The 98/99 team had *the best* GF stat. Saying they weren’t skilled and making them sound like the Sabres of the 90s is pure revisionism.
If Woll stays healthy, the Leafs might have the best goalie tandem in the league
woll looked amazing
maybe im a homer but Lank and demko seems a lot better lol
@@FLEX-WET Demko needs to get back to playing first and Lankinens stats are mid. No offence but I strongly disagree.
Lank wheels fell off @@craigharrison5406
@@craigharrison5406 Demko may be one of the best (assuming he comes back from injury as the same goalie), but Lankinens is nothing to write home about tbh
Of course in the first game that Reavo is suspended they take out Knies the other unit
Say what you want about Reaves, but when he's out. Every team plays way more physical against the leafs
@@WalkableBulb905because they know if he's there Craig will switch up lines to make sure Reavo can clean it up
I was gifted 2nd row platinum seats to last night's game and to my surprise, the seats surrounding mine were filled with genuine leafs fans (not suits). The energy after minten's goal was high, and after the hit on knies, the building was as loud as it gets during the playoffs. it was a super exciting game to be at!
I don't expect Knies will be out at all, _unless_ mandatory concussion protocol demands it.
I was listening to it on the way home, then switched to watching on TV. I'm telling you right now that game is exactly why JOE BOWEN and JIM RALPH NEED to do the playoffs TV broadcast. God bless the guy that does the JoeBowen highlights on TH-cam.
It's our true home broadcast.
Leafs Jelly HD
I highly agree 👍 Joe Bowen is the best in calling a game. I don’t understand why he’s not calling leaf games on TV ??
If you were listening to the radio, can you please maybe recommend how I can best listen to the radio streaming online from Pennsylvania? I love listening to them on the radio, but more than half the games on Sportnet 590 or TSN 1050 say they have the game and it’s something else.
@@chuck2967Yes. I wan’t some “Holy Mackinaw” on the tv broadcast.
I was there as well, arena was quiet until knies hit. After the hit arena comes alive, Leafs come alive. I think that’s where Vegas lost the game. Loved the way leafs responded. Definitely a different team, leafs started taking pens, killed them then scored goals. What a night. Woll is amazing
Leafs needed backbone for years and years. Berube reminded them they have one. This team is fun.
As a VGK fan, I really don’t think Vegas outplayed Toronto that badly through the first 40. The Leafs had more high danger chances, and the defensive sticks and blocked shots from TOR were fantastic.
As for the Whitecloud hit, I agree it isn’t obvious and your suggestion on the pod and this video with videos from the NHL explaining rulings for not-suspensions.
Either way, GGs. It’s refreshing seeing such a defensive stalwart game from the Leafs, including blocking shots while not screening their goalie.
As a vegas AND Toronto fan I was having an existential crisis watching this. Big fan of both you and Steve
Regardless it was more close than the score said or was
@@NexusO2-Golden_Knight u can’t be a fan of 2 teams. ur just not a fan of any team
@@3flavourscornetto237 Are you the fan police?
@@mattacameron bro being a fan of multiple teams is so stupid. being a die hard of one is normal. being a casual fan of multiple is dumb and eliminates the entire point of fandom
Officiating has leveled up their game this year. They are now consistently getting reviews wrong even with empirical, tangible evidence and all the time in the world at their disposal.
@@SirDeerock intentionally… keep the masses fighting
It was Shanny when he was in the NHL player safety who did exactly what you'd like to see.
He described the hit as he saw it and would describe it honestly and then release to public. It worked!!! Imagine !!! Lol
Not this time
Can't wait to see you in Dartmouth this weekend. Welcome to the East Coast.
Can I suggest that it’s not that weird Matthews is seeing a doctor in Germany? He played a year in the Swiss pro league
I was at this game. Everyone in the building was in it and it felt SO GRITTY. I felt like they came out strong and kept it on all game. A lot of passion on the ice and with the fans. I loved it!
I think Steve to make it super easy for the league on what hits to pick it should just be anytime the officials have a review session that’s the indication that the league should post how and why the officials came to their conclusion. Which didn’t they use to do this with goal reviews regardless if the call in the ice was overturned or not?
I spit my coffee out to the JT “engage in fisticuffs” comment 😂
Explanation of the Whitecloud hit and why it wasn't a major.
Knies was wearing a Leaf jersey. Whitecloud was not.
I caught that on the replay too.
I really hope Knies is okay, but I hope the discourse about this game doesn’t become solely about this hit instead of the fact the Leafs shut out a quality Vegas team and are now first in the Atlantic for the time being.
@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi 1st in the Atlantic with a few Marlies in the line up
YEAH IT IS
If a leafs player made that hit would be five minute penalty kicked out of game and minimum of two games, this league is a complete joke it’s pathetic
Leafs are starting to look like a serious threat. Hoping the Knies hit (which was charging, by the way) doesn't derail the run.
We’re finally gonna be able to see the incredible depth the leafs organization has that’s good at least
I am so happy with the goaltending this year
Are we going to ask if Vegas should be embarrassed about being shut out by the Marlies?
That was no Marlies team. That’s was our kids maturing and transitioning to the big leagues. Great depth. Buh bye Robertson
@@bpratt1979 Man has everyone turned on Robertson because of his comments in the offseason? During Keefe's era everyone's like "Play Robertson" We get to now and a coach who actually likes him (seriously what was Keefe's problem with Robertson? Even when the Leafs were injured he wasn't getting game time) and everyone's turned on him.
@@davidfitzpatrick6535probably the comments in the off-season. Crying about ice time then proceeding to be useless the season after
@@benc.3128 fe. But Seriously u'd think Robertson insulted Keefe's wife they way he REFUSED TO PLAY HIM.
@@davidfitzpatrick6535 Robertson played 17 out of 20 games this season and has 1 point. Berube has given him enough of a runway and he hasn't shown anything. On top of that he brings nothing to the line up when he isn't scoring and can't stay on his feet.
I disagree with the Leafs being the worse team through the first 40 minutes. I think they were clearly dominant most of the game, but especially so after the Knies hit. They were generating more dangerous offensive chances than Vegas all game and their defensive game was likewise superior.
Hopped in my car to drive home and the new LFR dropped. Guess I’ll be home 20 minutes later
When Shanahan was in the NHL safety department, he used video to explain fines and expulsions
23:23 video length for Kniesy? 😢
You know, it's tough because I understand why hockey fans want to limit the amount of reviewing that happens in the modern era of hockey. But, regarding dirty hits, I think it's a worthwhile and important security measure and investement. I agree with Steve on this. Careers can be affected, the trajectory a player takes can be entirely contingent upon a dirty headshot. Who knows what could happen to Knies, you know? All we DO know is this kid was having a career year. People were legitimately talking about Treliving making a HUGE offer now, before the season ends and he's a rookie with 35-40G and a similar number of assists. And the kid is a powerhouse who works hard, goes into corner, and plays HARD in front of the net. A 7 or 8M dollar contract is NOT out of the realm of possibility for a developing player like Matthew Knies. But a hit like this has the potential to destroy that dream (for Knies himself, but for the Leafs organization, and for fans who want this club to succeed).
Having said all that, I absolutely hate the hit. I am willing to accept that I am probably as biased as it gets, and therefore this is not an objectively fair assessment. But because he's SO young, and even after these last 2 years, we have no idea how high this kid's ceiling is, I hate the hit. I think it was clear, just from replays alone, that the primary point of contact was the head. If that's true, what more needs to be said? I repeat: if the primary point of contact was the head, then what else can be concluded? I don't understand anything other than that conclusion. Thanks if you read my non-fiction shorty story ;)
The key difference between Reeve's hit and Whitecloud's is Reeve's hit was a miscalculation; Whitecloud's was exactly as he intended. Neither hit belongs in the game.
Watching for years. No one can question the powers that be....
I think OEL got the 2nd assist on the Nylander to Minten goal, not Holmberg according to the stadium announcement and ESPN.
GG's Steve you deserved this one well done.
Parros has the opportunity to be a comedian, and silence the Leafs DoPS conspiracy by suspending Whitecloud anyway
Except Parros is corrupt and biased
Grebenkin will get a $2500 fine for his hit on Theodore.
Whitecloud, no fine.
what a joke of a league... best players in the world...worst officiating
It would suck to get a fine every time you delivered a hard clean hit.
Great game. I was there. Go to every game and thought it was a very entertaining game. Positive vibes. But to be a little negative, can we keep one of these younger guys and dump Robertson. If you just watch him durning the game he just flys around the ice doing a lot of nothing. Is is too weak and that might be acceptable if he actually scores, but he does not score either. If we want to be deep for playoffs we can’t be real with him the way he is playing this year. Otherwise, love this team
4:47 3 players. Steeves, Grebenkin and Minten.
Now it’s 2
I loved what I saw of Grebenkin.
Thar was a true 'character win' from the buds.
Buddy’s over here speaking like a pirate. I respect that.
The ultimate assist: Make a pass, go to the bench, have a drink, grab an iPad to watch a replay of your pass, react to the goal you assisted on live.
Leafs made the Knights defend and then they dominated behind their net. Simple strategy that worked against a defensive monster. Leafs looked like they had a game plan?
Steve after this game im trying so hard to find the Podcast after the florida series when bennett drilled knies into the ice and you called parros "a F#$%ing Goon" i need to make that my ringtone after this
That was an incredibly not rival, rivalry game. I kept thinking, "i love that we're fighting back, but why is the hatred here!? We play these guys like twice a year!" But the refs... they screw everything up..
Edit- this league has no real rules, completely insane!
Wouldn’t it be the leafiest thing ever for them to lose brutally to a mid team as soon as Auston Mathew’s comes back?
I thought they only out these performances together on Prime!!! This is how you play boys. Looks like a playoff team for the first time in 10 years. Well done Berube!!!
“I need that in gummy form…”. We all need to use this and I felt the same way seeing that kid smile after he scored.
I am absolutely fired up to see you in either Halifax or Dartmouth. Dragging my family two hours because we recently moved out of town lol
So cool you're going to halifax and Dartmouth. God i wish I could make this, 4 hour drive and stuck at work. Come back east soon!!!
Other than the north division year, is this your first reaction to a 1st place game?
Matthew his head down like Nurse did. One of them got it wrong.
If Reaves had hit Nurse clean it still would have been charging/boarding. He took several strides before the delivery.
Robertson was pretty good checking.
Also, I agree, Steve is special fan.
What was the original major given to Whitecloud, that they rescinded?
Completely bewildering that the hit on Knies wasn’t suspension worthy let alone not even a minor penalty. For fuck sake, I don’t care about the ridiculous analysis’ between periods, primary contact was directly straight to the kisser with no other body contact, … aaaaand Whiteclown did leave the ice on impact.
22:55 Steve let me know the weather in Halifax. I may move there.
See if it’s like Ontario. With all those Gaundo & Rundy. Thanks Dude
Any reviewed call could be easy for them to make videos from. I say this because when the Hockey NCAA does a review the program I use automatically makes the video edit for the officials on the ice to review. It is then uploaded to league safety board and officiating board either during review or at end of night.
I love the coach letting the 4 lines just roll 🥐🥖 what a game 🎯
The hit to Knies has the hallmarks of a playoff non-call and some serious favouritism from the league for Vegas.
still believe the nhl is biased against the leafs??
reaves - 5min/game + 5 game suspension
everyone else - no call
Holy mackinaw Steve that hit review idea went right to my veins, atta guy!
What happened to the Marlies Minutes?
There should be a special term for a bench assist where the person who replaces you gets a point, especially the goal.
the league will never do that because they love the grey area where the refs can decide the calls based off w.e the hell they want instead of the rulebook. if a teams winning by 5 goals and their player gets a dirty head hit the refs will use the grey area to not call it a major and even it up so the team winning by 5 goals doesn't get a pp
23:23 in honour of Knies 🫡
So apparently, the hit to the head rule applies when the hit to the head is the only (principle) point of contact. If you hit anything else, in addition to the head, the hit is good.
I was at this game... probably the second best game ive ever been too (first was Matthews' 60th in 21-22)
This is why struggling for VGK team. Thanks for the tips, Maple Leafs, tell me what’s happening 2knight?
Gary Bettman needs to go! Mini bobble head.
There are so many variables that go into these sorts of calls and part of it is where the hit is in relation to refs, the puck, and the other players. If the refs are screened, they have a bad viewing angle, or even if the hit is away from the puck, they have to make judgment calls on the ice. It's hard to make a penalty out of a no-call and you can't review a two-minute minor. There are always going to be inconsistencies, but I think acknowledging them and doing those reviews will help referees be more consistent in their calls as they will see the same videos, but it will also give them the ability to explain the situation and not knowing is what makes us all the angriest.
My son and I were at the game. 3 rows from the ice near the tunnel where the Leafs came out/went in. I felt like for the most part the Leafs were outplayed, but they were on the PK a lot during the first two periods. My son said that he saw Knies pretty much fall off of the Leafs bench after the hit by Whitecloud before heading to the dressing room. All of the callups seemed to play well, and Woll was pretty solid. I wasn't impressed by Nick Robertson's play at all, he seemed pretty meh. It was good to see some feistiness and fight in the Leafs after the hit on Knies. I was really impressed with OEL's mean streak and Tavares getting into the rough stuff. It really looked like the game was going to get out of hand quickly after the Knies hit. SBA went nuts booing when there was no penalty called, and the Leafs ended up on the PK. It was good to see the Leafs not lose total control and actually lock it down in the 3rd period. It was my son's first game at SBA and it's an awesome memory for both of us!
Was at this one. Scotia center sounds mostly like just everyone is having a conversation through out the game. Until Minten scored, it erupted. Then when Knies got hit, it really erupted, and then when they called no penalty, you could have confused the roar of the crowd's bemoan for an earthquake. There was a guy beside me talking about how he thought it was a good hit, but then joined in the "Ref you suck" chants, and I said "Hey, you can't participate in this, you said it was a clean hit", lol. He laughed and said he still wanted the ref to suffer, lol.
Definitely looked like that hit deserved a penalty to me.
Minton-first goal,team won, Woll got a shutout. Minton had one of the most memorable games for a first goal game.
My one worry about the "why this wasn't a penalty" videos is if there's a high-profile hit that the refs *incorrectly* say isn't dirty, its absence from the weekly roundup will be noticed and Conclusions Will Be Drawn. I'm not sure the league wants to go down that road.
Dude! You influenced DOPS to do a video review of the hits this week.
You are an influencer!!
So idk who’s going to see this but I have Frazier Minten in my leafs rebuild on NHL 24 I can confirm he’s a dawg and I’m in year like 2038 or something crazy
I got to go to the game tonight from NS seats were awesome second ever game first was last year against Tampa we won that night 4-1 and tonight what a game 3-0 wooo sad I heard Knies is now hurt too ugh !! I would say this game was great their PK I feel is one if not the best I’ve seen ..
One of the draws that the Leafs have when attracting UFA's has been their medical staff and medical facilities. I've heard many times how they have the best in the league and it attracts players with recurring injuries or is a reason that certain players will be interested in the Leafs. Their trainers are good at helping players recover and get back on the ice, and when they can't they provide top noch care that you can't get anywhere else while you sit on Robidas Island. Over the past few years the following has happened:
Matthews: Injured with something that they can't figure out/fix. Sent overseas to a professional at whatever the injury is (They won't tell us)
Nylander: Reoccurring blinding migraines that are so bad he misses playoff games (if it wasn't just a concussion they lied about and let him play with after game 3)
Matt Murray: Injured playing with the Leafs, out for a year and hasn't played in the NHL since.
Joseph Woll: Has played a total of 42 NHL games and has been injured at least 3 times causing him to miss time.
Klingberg: Injury, then flew on a plane which aggravated this injury to the point where he hasn't played in the NHL since.
Pacioretty: Played 13 games and looked good, before going down. We haven't seen him since and its looking like we wont see him for a while.
This list isn't including Jarnkrok, Kase, Muzzin. We can assume with ALL THESE PLAYERS that the medical staff did everything they could to get these guys healthy again and playing again, but if they can't do it then that Advantage the Leafs had with drawing players is drying up.
If the Knies hit is legal, So should the hit on Nurse
They have so many Forwards out of the lineup now. They finally have depth in defense but now we're running out if bodies who can play forward. Maybe they should try putting Morgan Rielly up front and try him on the wing until we get a few of these guys back. I think they have enough depth at D to let Morgan try being a forward.
@SteveDangle , if you get a chance in Halifax, go to Midtown Tavern (next to the Scotia Bank Arena - Metro Center). And have the steak.
Woll & Stolarz. Leafs are Blessed.
Except a lot of injuries this year.
He went to go film commercials in Germany.
“Don’t know if you’re drinking coffee, but this was at least half-and-half” 😅
The league does not need to make weekly videos as the standards are pretty clear.
Illegal Hit - Any Leafs player hitting any opponet with a questionable hit. Penalty shall always be a 5 min major followed by a 3 to 5+ game suspension.
Legal Hit - Any players hitting and injuring a Leafs player with a questionable hit is immediately deemed a good hockey play.
I was at the game last night and it was wild but it was fun
If it looks like its between shoulders and the head, and then Knies goes down holding his head, I think its safe to assume there was enough head contact for a penalty.
Most importantly think of why these rules are made... player safety. That was not a safe hit. Was not difficult for Whitecloud to keep it lower and safer
“Give it to us tight and right” feel like I’ve heard that before