Where Does Optimus Prime's Trailer Go When He Transforms? The Subspace Storage Pocket!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- Ever wonder where Optimus Prime's Trailer goes when it transforms? What about where they store their weapons and parts? Hopefully we can answer that! The Subspace Storage Pocket!
This video is a complete overhaul of an older video back from 2016.
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The subspace storage is a fascinating idea, It's also a good excuse in case people say "that came out of nowhere WTF" or "where did that come from?"
I always referred to that as "out of left field".
"Who cares, I'm more worried about where it's going" -Cliffjumper
Rom the space knight used a subspace storage to store his weapons as well
I can agree
Never realized that Optimus in the Last Knight used the Subspace in that one scene.
I think the subspace pocket technology is the true secret to transformation, allowing robot parts and vehicle parts to seemingly exist in the same areas, as well as where cargo and passenger space would be. However, because the technology is so energy-intensive, mechanical articulation is used heavily to minimize energy used during transformation.
Interesting, tell me more
Basically, the visible transformation, meaning alteration of outer shape, occurs mechanically, while interior transformation that creates cockpits, car seats etc. is done by subspace magic.
Fasho
This would also make a lot of sense with beast wars as it's a sequel series to G1, the transformers in that series adopted smaller bodies to save on energy on. It would also make sense that they stop using this dimension cuz it's just so energy on intensive. Visually at least it makes sense because when they transform on that show, it's very accurate to how the toys transform my personal favorite being how optimus Primal's legs spin backwards
This is why I liked later iterations of Prime, where he combined with his trailer. It makes more sense as a combat deck/ base mode before he went to his supermodes
Power master was an awesome way for prime to combine with his trailer. Then armada made it into a pair of pants
Two things:
1) I never thought to store Optimus Prime's fists & weapons inside his trailer. That would have significantly decreased the chances of them getting lost.
2) There was a Robot Chicken episode that explained what happens when Optimus Prime's trailer doesn't respond to his transformation, and it definitely had nothing to do with the "subspace storage pocket".
I kept his & Ultra Magnus' fists inside the chest cab!
I saw that episode!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Have you seen the one where Optimus gets prostate cancer? 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
The G1 toy had a spot for the gun itself in the trailer where the gun mounted to the deck, but there would be no reason to place the fists in the trailer as the fists had a storage location in front of his head when the head was rotated downward for the cab. The arms would fold back and then the forearms would rotate forward, which ensured that the fists could not leave the compartment. There is a plastic line, which actually makes it less likely for the fists to move around. The only problem is if someone were to pull his chest forward in that mode. On the other hand, there is nothing securing the fist in the trailer. No, it does not make them less likely to get lost. It does the reverse.
@@matthewreynoso6904 A rather unique take on the whole "death of Optimus Prime" bit from Transformers The Movie (1986, AKA the good one).
In my head as a kid I would figure OP's trailer would just follow him around (with Roller driving) and once he transformed back into a truck the trailer would just come to him via some telekinetic connection. But then there were the times it would simply vanish, so maybe Prime was using cloaking tech. But that would not explain the mass shifting and other use of "sub-space" with the other Transformers.
Since it wasnt covered in this video I imagine no one has written a story on who discovered the sub-space and the way to access it.
Not to mention that the trailer couldn't just roll off screen if he went somewhere far away from it and then transformed with it there. Best example is in The Search for Alpha Trion , Prime transforms into robot mode and goes through a space bridge. On Cybertron he escapes from the Decepticons with Elita One and transforms back with the trailer.
Fun Fact: *OP’s Trailer’s laser guns fired on Megs in one such battle; Roller once saved Prime’s life in IDW comics*
@@RodimusPrimal true but the producers rushed the making of cartoon on tight schedule and didn't re edit to fix plenty of mistakes or mishapes, The most logical is roller carrying it around only when Optimus wandered from it
It amazed me on how Prime's trailer can appear and disappear every time he transformed.
It's like magic to us. To them it's like an I-phone.
It's because he has the touch!
@@twistedyogert magic is just technology we don’t understand.
@@andrewgrant2990 He has the POWAAAA to store his trailer in subspace...
😆😅🤣😂
Sometimes Megatron’s silencer and stock extend out of his gun mode.
Other times it flies in out of thin air and connects to his gun mode.
I always find it amusing that Sub space storage has become a convenient creation to explain animation errors.
Yup😂 cause that is exactly wat it is
@@ttamcc.4674 I mean it is a pretty good one though.
It's also common in any Japanese superhero show. Power Rangers for example summon their weapons from the "Morphin Grid."
Best use of Prime’s trailer was when he carried all the Dinobots to Atlantis in “Atlantis Arise”! I think the sub space pocket is a great idea for storage but think that it’s exclusive for each bot and probably is a parallel dimension that lives in four and one dimensional space simultaneously probably working as further encryption to the sub space dimension.
While I'm not the biggest transformers fan, I really love videos like these which talk about the history of the series. I also find this video really interesting, since it's always fun to hear about how something that started out as a limitation of the medium becomes an integral part of a franchises lore.
I'm glad you addressed this topic. As an adult fan, I am surprised at how often my peers will dismissed my interest in a child's toy. But I like to think I can explore an interesting fantasy world with a mature perspective. A video like this is an easy way for me to show my friends and family that there real and engaging conversations to be had involving the intellectual property.
I didn't realize this was one of those fan-originated concepts. It's cool to see the origin story of such a major idea!
Awesome video and explanation. As kids, we would debate and theorize that Primes trailer possibly went to the same place Skywarp would temporarily enter when he vanished. But having it be personal makes more sense. Also clears up how Soundwave can store all those compressed energon cubes!
Always liked the movie/Prime approach of primarily using weapons built into the bodies of every robot. It was always a cool look seeing Optimus form a blaster out of his arm, or movie Megatron turning his hand into a flail.
Optimus Prime is tired of fans asking where his trailer goes. He just wants to put it behind him...
I always accepted the subspace idea for the trailer but I always took the live action approach for the random gadgets in that they were built in and they could just transform individual parts of the body. Maybe as time went on though, the animators/writers kind of peeped how convenient the subspace idea was and added the energy flashes in to canonize it. Hell, you could even explain mass-shifting and skywarp's teleporting with it.
Great concept because it makes Transformers not have to carry around there weapons all the time 😁
I love how the transformers fandom is practically creating revolutionary scientific concepts to account for basic animation errors and continuity issues
Subspace storage.
Over three (3) decades later, this revealed concept finally explains the whereabouts of Optimus' trailer plus the other odd features of many Transformers.
As a "Voltes Five" audience/fan, it was not much of a surprise that Autobots/Deceptions can retract their hands to unveil respective various weapons which were seen on the series' earliest episodes only to become rare later on.
Rather argue and speculate, I am happy and appreciative this has answered.
Great presentation, as always.
And glad to see you back, Sir RodimusPrimal. ^^
Let the needed provisions come out from the subspace storage as well.
It is a shame Optimus didn't have his trailer transform more often in the cartoon. I guess the writers couldn't think of good uses for it.
For the longest time, I thought the glowing on Optimus' trailer in that episode was because he was struggling to transform due to Soundwave's, uh, sound wave attack (one wonders why he didn't use such a devastating ability more often haha.) But maybe it is because of the trailer coming from the subspace storage pocket.
The weapons appearing and disappearing on Ravage and Cyclonus are undeniable, though. And I don't know why I never think of the stock and silencer on Megatron, which he never uses in robot mode. Yep, Omega Supreme MUST be using it, otherwise he would he stuck in rocket mode until he made the round trip back to where he left the rest of himself!
The gadgets that pop out of arms I don't count. Those seem to be part of the Transformers' bodies. Although, you have to wonder how they can store so many gadgets in their arms, and where their hands go haha.
Hmm, far-fetched. I don't think so. Not when we already have a space-faring race of sentient alien robots, some of which can shrink! 🙂
Yeah, they should have used the trailer more often, it was Optimus special ability after all.
The first time I saw Optimus and Megatron use their respective gladiatorial weapons.
It made me wonder if the other autobots and decepticons would have if they had similar built in weapons and what would they be.
Ironhide and Wheeljack have hand nozzles that can shoot various chemicals, Jazz has a grapple hook, Prowl has an energy net...
In my head the Transformers are such an advanced form of alien technology that they have powers/abilities beyond our understanding. For them it makes perfect sense that there are hidden weapons/devices within their bodies. For us it seems incredible. Kind of like the transporter in Star Trek. In Enterprise that technology seems weird and dangerous. By the time of DS9 or Voyager it's routine. Hope I explained that in a way that make sense, great video.
One biggest mysteries in transformers history where the trailer just shows up out of nowhere.
There's another big mystery in transformers
It's a bit weird how when Ultra Magnus transformed along side Optimus (shown towards the end), that his trailer came out of nowhere, since his trailer is also part of his body lol.
He transformed into the white cab.
Have we thanked the master, Masami Obari for G1 Optimus' transformation sequence? Even he had no idea where to put the trailer.
There was a piece back then that talked about the subspace storage pocket, it said that it was limited to transformers built with cybertonium, basically the alloy that gives them access to said dimension, in that topic, it also said about how the G1 Dinobots having no access to the subspace pocket as they were built on Earth without cybertonium, as so, they don't change mass when they transform or their weapons pulled out of nowhere, now they may have been "upgraded" during and after the 1986 movie, but I leave that to you.
Could you maybe do a video on the battle strategy for autobots retaking Cybertron in the 1986 movie.
As a kid I just thought the trailer broke down into panels and became part of his legs... of course, we never really saw that in the cartoons. I do thoroughly enjoy and accept the sub-space explanation.
I once read a fanfiction [pretty sure it wasn't official] years ago where Jazz subspaced Spike when they fell off a cliff. Spike was okay, but "purged his tanks" after. I had a good laugh. Cemented sub-space for me as a concept.
*_We, the Transformers G1 hardcore fans_* : "Wow where all these parts went after transformations? Must be the _subspace_ " or "How Constructicons form Devastator inside Astrotrain? That's definetely due to _mass shifting_ "
*_Hasbro HQ_* : "Dudes relax. We just wanna release toys"
Anyway, We love Transformers G1! Great videos man! keep up!
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Isn’t Optimus’ trailer being able to appear and reappear when he transforms one of the coolest things ever or what? It sure is to me, love the Subspace Storage Pocket!
A fan theory basically became Canon, that's how amazing Transformers is
I had that Optimus Prime toy as a young boy back in the 80s. Flashback to the past.
Great remaster my friend, this was again a very interesting video, I love the concept of the subspace storage pocket, it's a perfect tool. Great work!
Thanks for remastering this video. This is an interesting concept
finally one of those conversation left for another day made reality!
Hmm. As far as I recall, Subspace storage originates from Rom, in which Bill Mantlo had Rom's various weapons disappear into 'subspace' when he wasn't using them. With transformers also being a Marvel licence, and indeed the entire premise being devised by Bob Budiansky at Marvel, and the comics originally being marvel canon (then retconned out when it became an ongoing series), the in-continuity concept of Rom's subspace storage was just carried over into Transformers.
Interesting. That makes a LOT of sense. I'll admit I never read ROM even though I have the final issue. It is a possibility, though the disappearing was a Marvel Productions thing. The terms origins make sense though because it was originally a fan term with Transformers in message boards, so some TF fans most likely were also fans of ROM too.
@@RodimusPrimal I'm sure I recall Subspace being used in the 80's In transformers. Probably in the marvel UK letters pages, if nothing more. It's a term/explanation I've been using since 80's g1 days, long before the internet, and it came from somewhere.
I recommend tracking down the complete run of Marvel ROM, it's probably Marvel's overall best 80's series, and has some real standout issues.
Optimus Prime is one of my favorite Transformers characters of all time.
My favorite use of subspace came from an early-ish piece of fanfic, and the most delicious "What?" moment. IIRC, it was set between the series and the 1986 movie. Spike had been offworld for some time and was catching up with Carly when... Maybe Decepticons attacked? I honestly cannot remember who it was, but I remembered the attack beginning and Spike turning to lead Carly away and just pausing, because she hda brought her hand up in front of her and a blaster dropped into it from subspace. It was the perfect spot for a cliffhanger.
Another great video sir- thanks for updating it! I thought one of the graphics was from a certain TV show that featured travel to parallel dimension. I always love it when that show gets a shout out!
Hasbro needs to make a Kingdom Optimus Primal repaint in Hot Rod colors and name it “Rodimus Primal” in honor of this man.
Or perhaps another figure. I'd imagine him having flight like a griffin or Phoenix.
@@RodimusPrimal That would be cool as well 😎
Once I saw the "The upside down" in Strange Things, subspace made perfect sense.
THAT CAME OUT OF NOWHERE!
Can’t wait for the remaster of the Dinobots, and hot rod/ rodimis prime retrospectives
Man! Amazing video! I would never thought about a poket dimension
3:40 TIE Fighter sound effect used for Skywarp crashing into Thundercracker.
Was waiting for this to come out! :)
Advanced technology that seems almost magical…yep,that most definitely fits within the concept of truly advanced technology. That’s why I liked the concept of bendable and stretchable alloy for their face and skin in the G1 anime as opposed to mechanical facial joints depicted in the live action movie. That concept of stretchy alloy vs joints is by far technologically superior.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Keep up the good work!
While watching G1 Season One back in the day, I asked my big brother, "Where does Prime's trailer go when he transforms to robot mode?"
He answered, "Probably to an alternate dimension."
BOOM! All Transfans think alike! 😉
The sub space storage concept is totally part of the inspiration behind some of my books. That and the Centurions cartoons :) Proper 80s cartoons nerd here :)
Well, this answers a question I had since we were kids!
1st and love your videos bro keep it up
Of course the animators sometimes get it wrong compared to the toys. At 10:58 of the video it shows Ultra Magnus's trailer roll in behind him when he transforms where the toys cab and trailer combines together.
That was awesome.
Based on the evidence, it's a perfect explanation.
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I hereby Proclaim it to be!
Thanks for the helpful information Primal
Great video as always 👍
So what happens to the items a Transformer has in subspace if they die? Do the items just get spewed out somewhere, are they stuck/lost in subspace, or could someone use their remains (perhaps data store in their systems) to call those items back?
I always figured, that they had the ability to transform matter into energy & back, and they had a limited ability to manipulate the form, as it materializes. This would be why they have the ability to reprogram their alternate form from Cybertronian vehicles into Earth Vehicles. This would also be why Soundwave could turn himself, into a microcassette player. Unused matter would simply be turned into energy & stored into a personal storage capacitor.
In the Scott Pilgrim graphic novels, Ramona Flowers used subspace frequently during deliveries. The retractable fists becoming weapons also seen on Voltes V and Combattler V anime series using it's ability. In the G1 S2 episode "Blaster Blues", it concerns Optimus Prime's trailer, in this bizzare scene, a trailer quickly chases to get to Optimus Prime rolling out in truck mode!
I don't know if you've ever read Animorphs, but the book series has a very similar concept.
Animorphs is a scholastic book series in which 5 human kids discover a secret alien invasion on Earth and obtained a technologically advanced device that allows them to morph into any organism they touch directly.
It established a version of Subspace that allows alien space craft to travel faster than the speed of light, and it's a storage area for all the mass the kids would need to morph. If they transform into a creature much smaller than a human, them most of that human mass would be sent to subspace, and if they transform into a creature much more massive than a human, they would draw mass from Subspace. But instead of being similar to a pocket dimension, Animorphs depicted it as parallel part of the universe that humans haven't discovered yet.
In that sense, it could help explain how mass shifting works in the Transformers Universe.
When I was reading the Transformers UK comic, it was implied from answers on the letters page that Prime's trailer, and the mass of Transformers that shrunk down while transforming went to a pocket universe.
Thanks for answering this.
You know, what is being said here could theoretically apply to real world scientific principles and, to be honest, such things could honestly be decades, if not at least centuries, or even millennia, ahead of the curve...let that sink in for a bit.
Excellent idea
This is the best ways to explain this!
Indeed!
First time I learned about this subspace concept was from an episode of Justice League when a GL hid items in a pocket dimension. By the time I saw Peacemaker's dad's secret room, I already understood that it's hidden in a pocket dimension.
While Soundwave and Megatron had to rely on mass shifting, I don't think OP ever needed a subspace pocket. I think its disappearance was just lazy animation. The trailer driving itself around was, too. So in my head canon, he would have to stop, drop the trailer, and Roller could then move it around short distances, like a day cab or yard tractor truck.
TFs was primarily meant to be a toy line. His trailer was a cool part of the toy. So when we were young, my circle of friends weren't prone to just setting the trailer aside. We disregarded the cartoon's tendency to do just that.
I don't think we need to rationalize the cartoon's inconsistencies with scale, color, deaths, nearly as much as has been done. Much of the time, the animation was simply wrong because the animators had to rush and cut corners. I accept that as RW truth, but not in universe.
it would be interesting to find out if primus gave them this ability and they use it natively, or if it is some sort of upgrade they've added themselves
I've also heard of "hammerspace' referred to as 'the magic satchel" but I guess all of its kind of the same concept as a bag of holding.
But I honestly think it could be a little of both the subspace storage pocket and certain components just simply being part of them that can fold out or transform out at times, such as at the end of this video with wheeljack just simply folding out a barrel in his forearm or soundwaves scanner.
Link being able to hold all his huge weapons in his nonexistent carry bags
Great vid on a topic we always asked ourselves as kids watching TF.
That Omega Supreme shuttle launch always bothered me. I never considered its the same as primes trailer which never bothered me lol
The theory fits, it does explain how Megatron sheds mass to fit into Starscream's hand when he transforms.
Nice work
The 'rolling out of camera' thing will forever be canon to me
Really, it’s the most realistic answer. It’d just roll out of camera so that the animators wouldn’t bother drawing it somewhere in the background all the time.
The clip near the end of the video with Ultra Magnus is crazier than any of this. Ultra Magnus's body is supposed to be made up of a combination of the truck and the trailer, though it's mostly the trailer; but in the clip, he transforms into just the truck (the red and blue quickly disappearing piece by piece) and then the trailer appears from off-screen.
AKOM wasn't always known for error free animation.
what if it's just cloaked, and roller pulls it to wherever or whenever Optimus needs it?
I like to think of Subspace storage being run by a cosmic storage company, Potentially if the Transformer fails to pay their rental fees they may find their storage container get auctioned off as part of a TV show.
I thought this up like 30 years ago with stories I would create while playing with my Legos as a kid 😅
Great minds
Prime always looks best as truck and trailer.
Without it, something looks off.
Good stuff
This is hilarious I've been thinking about this question since 1986 thank you for answering it for me LOL🤣🤣
I prefer the idea that their gear is either stored in a conventional space, or transforms with them. But mass-shifting and subspace pockets are necessary, especially for some of the more far-out transformations. I do like that the G1 cartoon depicted the phase in/out effect to show that they were at least aware of it.
In the real world, the subspace storage pocket is the little draw we put all the transformers accessories we don't display them with
Cool bro (2nd comment yay) I always wondered where the trailer went thx bro for explaining!!
Odo & The Founder Changelings in Star Trek DS9 are also said to store their extra mass in subspace.
I remember that Fansproject G3 Trailer made their own Optimus Trailer, and grant them a camouflage mode to disguise itself, explaining what happened in the original cartoon
keep up the good work Rodimus
you're every bit of good as Optimus ever was
Best way to describe this personal storage as the TARDIS from Doctor who. Pocket dimension Linked to the owner.
this is one of the oldest debates in transformers history......
I remember arguing with a bunch of old heads about this back when the web was just message boards and forums in the early 90's.
This crud is as old as me and my grandma.
good times good times now I'm the old head.
i think back in (my) day subspace WASN'T a thing like it is now and days.
since the people who watched transformers growing up now work on the series, they would have been into researching things like this.
As a kid in the 80s watching that, I had never even noticed that it disappeared. Haha 🤣
They were called Uniters before Combiners. Message boards were not back in '84. ;)
And that technology is definitely canon. I used to relate it to Star Trek's transporter buffer, but this explanation is one in the same.
It's definitely not though. It does amaze me how common and thoughtless the misrepresentation of this particular word is although not particularly isolated sadly. 'Canon' would be you misrepresenting the meaning of the word in this youtube comment at least which refers not to the apparent body of content of the message itself but the person who wrote it which is especially pertinent when regarding fiction as the person who wrote it is and remains substantially real as opposed to their body of work whereby the word becomes fairly useful in identifying what has been written by who.
It being fictional which is to say imaginary anyone could make up anything and claim it was written by someone else or to claim to have written something written by someone else for whatever reason.
The point being to establish the junction between the writer and what is written which when regarding authenticity tends to be more thoroughly considered when regarding non-fiction such as the Biblical scriptures but can also be nonetheless important to consider regarding fictional works also.
You're talking about the Subspace Storage Pocket, but the end of the video with that last Roll Out freaked me out with Ultra Magnus trailer rolling up like Optimus'. That's wrong on so many levels.
Optimus Prime needs his own movie
Kind of amazing how a setting's lore and background tech can change when the original animators don't particularly care about what happens to something.
I love the concept from day one. There is now a toy called the G3 trailer that mimics the storage subspace pocket. It does that by mirroring the sides the top the front and the back of the trailer with mirrors. It's not exactly the subspace storage pocket but it's a nice try. Just be warned the trailer is extremely expensive. Hundred to $150 or one more in US dollars.
where can i see this
@@fatenabu1 what exactly Can not see? Please be specific.
@@douglasbrownell2704 Where can I find this g3 trailer?
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO !!!!!!!!!!! I am 46 yrs old, grew up with these Gen 1 in the 80's ... had lots of transformers and watched them every day on Chicago channel 9 Cable tv.. rushed home from school..for the 4pm to 5pm tv slot..Gi Joe and Transformers.. unless they were playing some baseball game early .. but yeah... not only this question, but do the seem to change sizes soo easily? also, i just watched gen 1 season 1 ep 1-3 ... why did they stop flying????
This question has a simple and obvious answer. Optimus seperates from his trailer, and Roller descends from the ramp and becomes the tow vehicle (which is his purpose for existing). Both the trailer's systems and Roller are under Optimus direct control. The trailer either stays where it's left, or follows the other Autobots until needed again.
It's a real shame that he never deployed the trailer's battlestation mode in the cartoon.
He did twice technically in the cartoon. It did full on disappear in the cartoon with NO possible way of it just following behind. It's why the Subspace Storage Pocket works as an in-universe explanation.
In the old anime Takara Transformers Prime’s trailer was parked when he tranforms and it served as his weapons depot. And when needed the trailer transforms to Prime as an added armor and guns.
Brilliant