My only problem is how he is saying Gnostics are all alike as if a unified system they was as varied as the reformation churches today. the followers of the thomas path was wildly different from the johanites
Eye opening indeed! Many thanks. Please do more on the Christian tradition (loosely speaking). Like Jung said, be you believer or not you have to make peace with your own religious tradition somehow. After all it gets battered and scared into most of use when we are young I think.
Both of these guys are NOT Gnostic. god-gods do not exist anymore. To use the word god to represent the divine source(Superconscious invisible MIND) Father Holy is an insult. God means archon ruler(devil). Gnositcs know our body(material flesh) was made by god. But our light water eternal souls were created by Christ. MAN! is greater than god. MAN is the name of the Holy Spirit. "I AM THE SON OF MAN(words of Christ)." "The Gnostic Truth, The Sacred Secret". th-cam.com/video/CO9v3OIFnxM/w-d-xo.html Peace.
And not forgetting Byzantine Emperor Justinian I, who also altered and molded Christianity to his liking. The Epistle to the Hebrews is an important text for Christian Mystics.
3:56 Talk about a four years long riddle. I think he said "dhyana" sanskrit equivalent for pali "jhana" both of which you can translate to "meditation". These descend from proto indo-european "dhya" - to contemplate, meditate, think. gnosis however can be traced back to "gneh" - to know, and this is where my lead ends because both of these come from an older form maybe "dheie" - to look, but proto indo-european is a reconstructed language and I have no access to the original tables (which are nearly speculative in nature), and no versions exist in the internet, and to make matters worse I think conventions have changed and these are now written differently, so looking for example at The Oxford Introduction for Proto-Indo-European yielded no results for either of these roots :PPP If you use an online dictionary like Oxford's or Wiktionary theres a suggestion that "dheie" became the greek "sima" - omen from the gods, sign, also root word for english "sign" and "sow", but I am pretty sure this is wrong and the word is a cognate with the Sanskrit term, or even more messy, the roots are cognates in PIE with different origins. Also to note sanskrit "jnana" - knowledge, is very much a daughter of PIE "gneh", just like greek "gnosis". but I dont know if "dhyana" and "jnana" are ultimately related, I cant even google because I'd need to know Devanagari. So the short answer is no, theres probably no direct relation between sanskrit "dhyana" and greek "gnosis".
Didn't hear it mentioned - Blake's "Urizen" also implies "your reason", i.e., the analytical, deconstructive aspect of the mind (vs. the capacity for holistic perception).
The greater and lesser temptations; we live in the shadow of perception. The lesser temptation is near the edges of the shadow, which is an infinite fractal boundary, and believe this is all there is, thus placing all of your hope in the information coming to you from your five senses. The greater temptation is darkness masquerading as light, believing that you understand the light, because if you were to behold the light, whole and complete, in one moment in time, you would cease to be.
There is nothing wrong with the orthodox Christian church. The teachings within the church still stand with the early Apostolic Fathers teachings and is still effective but is not out in the open for just anyone to diminish. You have to search for the teaching and you will find it.
I was told that the word Hugeunots came from Eidgenossenschaft for Swiss Confederacy. This is possible. But then I came across another idea for the origin as Hu-Gnosticorum. And looked up Calvin and found that Calvin was in the very least accused of being a Gnostic. Whether he was or not I don't know yet. But it makes me wonder as to the real origins of Calvinist Protestantism and the possibility that it could have been a contemporary Gnosticism. The Hugeunots became master paper makers and printers and publishers in England and William Blake started his career as an engraver for a press and absorbed all the ancient symbolic language ideas while duplicating printing plates. His wife was descended from Hugeunots. Blake taught his wife how to have visions. So I am speculating that there was a esoteric tradition being taught within the printing trade itself that may have had deeper ancient origins.
what an informative video. 26 minutes of watching It and 0 info about Gnosticism except the meaning of "gnosis". great job. whoever wants to know - "apocryphon of John" is available on youtube.
Richard forgets that the apostles could not have had different understandings of the teaching. Perhaps they each had different aspects they focused on but the apostles all received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. This common experience taught them the full truth as Jesus said that “I will send you the Holy Spirit and He will remind you of all these things that I have said”. The apostles didn’t have different understandings. Their disciples solid off into various sects. Never the less the apostolic succession preserved much of the original teaching. As well as can be expected back then. The sects were not born out of the apostles. The Holy Catholic Orthodox Church is what remain of this teaching today.
I'm pretty sure psychedelics also played a role in the Gnostic traditions; likely still. They've been well known for tens of thousands of years and found all over Europe. Far more effective than starving yourself.
Not really that wasn't part of the pure understanding of gnosticism but some believed this to help just like some believed fasting helped. It was all about preference
Using psychedelics to gain knowledge is like using steroids to gain strength. They both work but one has undesirable side effects and the other does not.
At first when I heard you say that there was an etymological connection between gnosis and the Buddhist (sanskrit)word yana, I thought, the poor guy is very confused. Yana means vehicle. Like in Mahayana, the great vehicle and Hinayana, the small vehicle etc. But then you say that it's the origin of the word zen, so I understand that you mean jhana and you simply mispronounce the "jh" for a "y". But now I think that you're mistaken because the Pali word jhana is unrelated to the word gnosis. Jhana means meditation. The sanskrit word that I know of that means knowledge and could be related to the word gnosis is "jnana" and is not pronounced like yana.
I think Mishlove was trying to say sanskrit "dhyana", in pali "jhana". But the interesting thing here is that "jnana" - knowledge, is indeed a daughter of the proto-indoeuropean "gneh" - to know, just like greek "gnosis".
While on the topic: Dr. Joseph Farrell offers some fascinating observations regarding the nature of deity in *"Genes, Giants, Monsters And Men - The Surviving Elites Of The Cosmic War And Their Hidden Agenda."* ☝🤓
My impression of gnosticism is that it’s just a series of unfounded claims lacking in any substantial or formal apologetics. If I am wrong please share info to enlighten me.
It appears to be a chew toy for intellectually curious people- allowing them to indulge in a speculative rabbit hole while attaining no personal humility or spiritual salvation of their own.
Well, I don't know why you think the others forms of Christianity are any different, they all are just systems to understand the world. In the case of gnosticism, you are ignoring their metaphysics that I personally think are the most structured ones in all Christianity.
Armenian translation is gnosis means G letter is fill of meanings the first meaning is Gitutyun means science gitem means I know , Gandz it’s the jewel of the knowledge which is connected to the some bone or place like Christ ?crest ? Physiology how I can understand that’s the place where you can change the human connected with the word Bio word what makes the connection to the stress hormone and how with Bio to clean and everything is connected to letter ye y = yisus y vibrates 21 connected really to Jesus and I can’t write it’s hard because that old dead Armenian language ,maybe you can help me to figure out . During centuries they even change languages not to understand the roots of letters their meanings and numerological vibrational frequency that makes changes in our body .🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻sorry for my English it’s so much to say I can’t in 2 min explain I have a question if the memory of humanity is cleared how you can teach a child that once the table was chair and chair was table ....🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
The teacher that has raised his own stature, who has believed his own hype, who sees the world from a lofty perch so as to look down upon the rest of us, and does not feel a great sense of responsibility, is not worthy of the job. When we understand what can be known, what we know that we don't know, and what we don't know that we don't know, then we have begun to make progress. www.linkedin.com/pulse/philosophical-observations-24-rick-delmonico?published=t
Richard is extremely helpful in relating his knowledge.
I know people who always say gnosticism is a "heresy." I've never been convinced that there is a one-size-fits-all gnosticism.
Every interview with Richard Smoley is very fascinating
Thank you. Excellent guest and topic, as always.
Best channel on TH-cam.
My only problem is how he is saying Gnostics are all alike as if a unified system they was as varied as the reformation churches today. the followers of the thomas path was wildly different from the johanites
Eye opening indeed! Many thanks. Please do more on the Christian tradition (loosely speaking). Like Jung said, be you believer or not you have to make peace with your own religious tradition somehow. After all it gets battered and scared into most of use when we are young I think.
Beautiful discussion. Indeed so rich, wish the later elements could have been discussed for longer.
Certainly hope you're planning to do more videos on this subject!
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I have not heard of him or his institute. I'll look into this.
Reindeer911 I agree , we / I need TRUTH. Soooooo much stuff out their.
Both of these guys are NOT Gnostic. god-gods do not exist anymore. To use the word god to represent the divine source(Superconscious invisible MIND) Father Holy is an insult. God means archon ruler(devil). Gnositcs know our body(material flesh) was made by god. But our light water eternal souls were created by Christ. MAN! is greater than god. MAN is the name of the Holy Spirit. "I AM THE SON OF MAN(words of Christ)." "The Gnostic Truth, The Sacred Secret". th-cam.com/video/CO9v3OIFnxM/w-d-xo.html Peace.
I agree Whole heartedly!!! SERIOUSLY, we need TRUTH, I NEED Truth.
Thank you very much I am just a curious person all my Life to find out the truths of languages and we’ll understand all these.Thank you again 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Great interview, thanks!
Great interview!
Thank you, this was a pleasure to listen to, very, very interesting.
Thank you, thank you!
happy birthday william blake
And not forgetting Byzantine Emperor Justinian I, who also altered and molded Christianity to his liking.
The Epistle to the Hebrews is an important text for Christian Mystics.
3:56 Talk about a four years long riddle. I think he said "dhyana" sanskrit equivalent for pali "jhana" both of which you can translate to "meditation". These descend from proto indo-european "dhya" - to contemplate, meditate, think.
gnosis however can be traced back to "gneh" - to know, and this is where my lead ends because both of these come from an older form maybe "dheie" - to look, but proto indo-european is a reconstructed language and I have no access to the original tables (which are nearly speculative in nature), and no versions exist in the internet, and to make matters worse I think conventions have changed and these are now written differently, so looking for example at The Oxford Introduction for Proto-Indo-European yielded no results for either of these roots :PPP
If you use an online dictionary like Oxford's or Wiktionary theres a suggestion that "dheie" became the greek "sima" - omen from the gods, sign, also root word for english "sign" and "sow", but I am pretty sure this is wrong and the word is a cognate with the Sanskrit term, or even more messy, the roots are cognates in PIE with different origins.
Also to note sanskrit "jnana" - knowledge, is very much a daughter of PIE "gneh", just like greek "gnosis". but I dont know if "dhyana" and "jnana" are ultimately related, I cant even google because I'd need to know Devanagari.
So the short answer is no, theres probably no direct relation between sanskrit "dhyana" and greek "gnosis".
Great discussion.
Didn't hear it mentioned - Blake's "Urizen" also implies "your reason", i.e., the analytical, deconstructive aspect of the mind (vs. the capacity for holistic perception).
wow this video was litttt
You guys should put the names of the books mentioned in the description so we can follow the schools of thought
The greater and lesser temptations; we live in the shadow of perception.
The lesser temptation is near the edges of the shadow, which is an
infinite fractal boundary, and believe this is all there is, thus
placing all of your hope in the information coming to you from your five
senses. The greater temptation is darkness masquerading as light,
believing that you understand the light, because if you were to behold
the light, whole and complete, in one moment in time, you would cease to
be.
I can see why the establishment wouldn't like it... It destroys the business model...
There is nothing wrong with the orthodox Christian church. The teachings within the church still stand with the early Apostolic Fathers teachings and is still effective but is not out in the open for just anyone to diminish. You have to search for the teaching and you will find it.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 very interesting
I was told that the word Hugeunots came from Eidgenossenschaft for Swiss Confederacy. This is possible.
But then I came across another idea for the origin as Hu-Gnosticorum.
And looked up Calvin and found that Calvin was in the very least accused of being a Gnostic. Whether he was or not I don't know yet.
But it makes me wonder as to the real origins of Calvinist Protestantism and the possibility that it could have been a contemporary Gnosticism.
The Hugeunots became master paper makers and printers and publishers in England and William Blake started his career as an engraver for a press and absorbed all the ancient symbolic language ideas while duplicating printing plates. His wife was descended from Hugeunots. Blake taught his wife how to have visions.
So I am speculating that there was a esoteric tradition being taught within the printing trade itself that may have had deeper ancient origins.
Fascinating stuff mate
Yep... Fare thee well.@@callum1651
what an informative video. 26 minutes of watching It and 0 info about Gnosticism except the meaning of "gnosis". great job. whoever wants to know - "apocryphon of John" is available on youtube.
If you like to watch, the interview with Dr Reza Jorjani, he explains it very sharply.
Zen is from Chinese 'Chan' which itself came from Sanskrit 'Dhyan'.
Richard forgets that the apostles could not have had different understandings of the teaching. Perhaps they each had different aspects they focused on but the apostles all received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. This common experience taught them the full truth as Jesus said that “I will send you the Holy Spirit and He will remind you of all these things that I have said”. The apostles didn’t have different understandings. Their disciples solid off into various sects. Never the less the apostolic succession preserved much of the original teaching. As well as can be expected back then.
The sects were not born out of the apostles. The Holy Catholic Orthodox Church is what remain of this teaching today.
A bit of a coincidence coming across this as I have just been reading about Marcion.
I'm pretty sure psychedelics also played a role in the Gnostic traditions; likely still. They've been well known for tens of thousands of years and found all over Europe. Far more effective than starving yourself.
Not really that wasn't part of the pure understanding of gnosticism but some believed this to help just like some believed fasting helped. It was all about preference
Using psychedelics to gain knowledge is like using steroids to gain strength. They both work but one has undesirable side effects and the other does not.
At first when I heard you say that there was an etymological connection between gnosis and the Buddhist (sanskrit)word yana, I thought, the poor guy is very confused. Yana means vehicle. Like in Mahayana, the great vehicle and Hinayana, the small vehicle etc. But then you say that it's the origin of the word zen, so I understand that you mean jhana and you simply mispronounce the "jh" for a "y". But now I think that you're mistaken because the Pali word jhana is unrelated to the word gnosis. Jhana means meditation. The sanskrit word that I know of that means knowledge and could be related to the word gnosis is "jnana" and is not pronounced like yana.
I think Mishlove was trying to say sanskrit "dhyana", in pali "jhana". But the interesting thing here is that "jnana" - knowledge, is indeed a daughter of the proto-indoeuropean "gneh" - to know, just like greek "gnosis".
While on the topic: Dr. Joseph Farrell offers some fascinating observations regarding the nature of deity in *"Genes, Giants, Monsters And Men - The Surviving Elites Of The Cosmic War And Their Hidden Agenda."* ☝🤓
My impression of gnosticism is that it’s just a series of unfounded claims lacking in any substantial or formal apologetics. If I am wrong please share info to enlighten me.
It appears to be akin to egoism, resembling Luciferianism.
It appears to be a chew toy for intellectually curious people- allowing them to indulge in a speculative rabbit hole while attaining no personal humility or spiritual salvation of their own.
Well, I don't know why you think the others forms of Christianity are any different, they all are just systems to understand the world. In the case of gnosticism, you are ignoring their metaphysics that I personally think are the most structured ones in all Christianity.
Ezu Om enlighten me!
@@zachmorley158, you should see Mr Reza Jorjani interview on gnosticism in this same chanel
Hermes was a quantic master, all the 7 laws are quantic phisic teorys.
Armenian translation is gnosis means G letter is fill of meanings the first meaning is Gitutyun means science gitem means I know , Gandz it’s the jewel of the knowledge which is connected to the some bone or place like Christ ?crest ? Physiology how I can understand that’s the place where you can change the human connected with the word Bio word what makes the connection to the stress hormone and how with Bio to clean and everything is connected to letter ye y = yisus y vibrates 21 connected really to Jesus and I can’t write it’s hard because that old dead Armenian language ,maybe you can help me to figure out . During centuries they even change languages not to understand the roots of letters their meanings and numerological vibrational frequency that makes changes in our body .🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻sorry for my English it’s so much to say I can’t in 2 min explain I have a question if the memory of humanity is cleared how you can teach a child that once the table was chair and chair was table ....🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
Of course they went to astrology because they made us and they want us to educate give the gitutyun _knowledge science 🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
The teacher that has raised his own stature, who has believed his own
hype, who sees the world from a lofty perch so as to look down upon the
rest of us, and does not feel a great sense of responsibility, is not
worthy of the job. When we understand what can be known, what we know
that we don't know, and what we don't know that we don't know, then we
have begun to make progress.
www.linkedin.com/pulse/philosophical-observations-24-rick-delmonico?published=t
- ... their is no " true " Christianity....their is Paulism ....
...mmm......mmhmmm......hmmmmmmm...hermes....hmmmmhmmm....um...mhmhmhm...